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Yeah, is the only doctor plasma intelligence? Yo, like the sons of
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God, but they made out of plasma. Is that the reason why they
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can transform and transverse dimensions? You know? God is a fire, a
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pillar of fire, and nobody's seeing God. God talks to a burning bush.
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Damn thing about that she made a fire fire. H you're listening to
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Ministry X on Fringe Radio network. You just never know what's gonna happen.
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We're just testing our levels here and we'll get started momentarily. M. Well,
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well, well, where as a man I at the coach h So
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coming up to your man's just online and reading man, And I've seen it
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this place was used as like a satanic type situation here? Do you feel
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like with this building being built the way that it is, that could be
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trapping some type of energy? Yet I think that depends on what people to
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sort of save those into the Okay, literally, I've used to to give
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the most back for yours. You prescribe I do? I do? This
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is this is attract you know, right certain the views though I have.
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Did you say officers got out? Okay? That is kind of like damn,
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you know, if I take over site of me now I complain on
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things, but I say this in John, don't even believe in the God.
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I don't believe in God, believe in their own evolution. Now we
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do out in toward Dollar. I think you're coming over as it, but
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like you will say to be anti yes, like maybe this is a singing
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top you see there's a world y dang. No, I'm down for seeing
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about back to life. But when he just said to us that he trapped
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spirits and he just said that he didn't seem comic services, you're trapping that
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book and you're like namies, you got to realize me. We got we
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go on general Christian. I'll never want you to feel like coming at you
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figure relief system. I wanted to ride to and I'm want to see all
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this a little this is I got it back into page ever see that means
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one of them not saying these wills but even want to jumping and get me
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a lot and love to see one's house. And then welcome to the show.
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This is ministry X. I am Daniel X, your host on the
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Fringe Radio Network. Go to fringeradionetwork dot com and listen and if you just
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subscribe to my podcast. You should also subscribe to the Fringe Radio Network podcast,
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which is a network of podcasts, scientifically speaking, and it's about seventy
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percent fringe Christian stuff, about ten percent normy Christian stuff, about five percent
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agnostic or let's say New Age leaning, maybe five percent paranormal parapsychology, about
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ten percent news and conspiracies, and about one percent that's just out there,
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just what we call the borderlands. Well, nine percent news and one percent
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borderlands. It's kind of like the outer phalanges of the Milky Way. That's
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the best way I can describe it. It's dangerous to go out there because
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I'm pretty sure that's where the black hole is at and the outer darkness,
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Like Elon Musk said, though we don't know what's on the other side of
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a black hole. It's unpredictable, Okay, So we don't like to spend
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lots of time out there. And what about the way out stuff that God
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blesses us with, that's not discussed as much. So maybe there's one percent
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way out beyond the borderlands. I think New Jerusalem has already embarked Destination Earth.
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Is it going to be twenty thirty twenty thirty one. I don't know
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are those percentages one hundred percent accurate? No, course not. Labels are
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a subjective thing because the fringe is not just nephelum bloodlines and all that.
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It's alien abductions being thwarted by the name of Jesus. These beings are repelled,
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they're neutralized by the name of Jesus, which means they obey his authority.
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The world of ufology intersects with the narrative of the Bible in several key
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ways because aliens that evolved on other planets, from other stars systems, they
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wouldn't acknowledge Jesus. They're not under any curse. The Gospel doesn't apply to
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them. They wouldn't know our language, our tongues. And my show crosses
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into all these territories, and sometimes we have to engage the cloaking device in
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some of these areas because we're behind enemy lines, you know, the neutral
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zone, or wherever Satan has a stronghold, like America. And in this
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episode, we're going into the blurry world of ghosts and hauntings and the so
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called ghost hunters of cable TV. And I'm not saying that taps guys specifically
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here, just ghost hunters in general. And then we're going to travel back
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in time to the origins of ghost hunting, back to the mid nineteenth century,
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where the rise in popularity of spiritism in the West as a direct result
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of the Silk Road, the British Empire, the East India Company establishing ties
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with the East, with China, India, Japan, Southeast Asia. This
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is an impact of colonialism and so for the first time people in the West
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were exposed to these Eastern philosophies and Eastern mysticism, and it would coincide with
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the development of parapsychology in England, in Western Europe, and in America and
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Canada, and psychologists like Carl Jung were keyed in on many of these traditionally
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Eastern esoteric concepts. Carl Jung used and commented on the iichin, which I've
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talked about in a couple different episodes. Before this time, you had to
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be extremely rich. Most people of ordinary means couldn't travel the world to these
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exotic places unless you were like Aleister Crowley. You were born rich, you
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were a trust fund occultist. But through the establishment of trade these ideas were
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seated in the occult traditions of the West, like the Rosicrucians and the ancient
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texts of China India began to be translated into English, into German, into
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French. Yeah, something just tapped the desk. Something just bumped the desk,
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just as I pull up my old website. I have a haunt my
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old website on tripod when I used to do ghost hunting. I'm reading through
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some of the stuff I wrote. This is back in like two thousand and
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seven, when I basically broke off my research. I'm looking at the website
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and something clearly pounded on the desk. There's no animals in here. Isn't
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that funny in here? Nah? Nah, I'm just reading. I don't
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believe this stuff anymore. Well, let's read some of this. This is
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from my old website, have a haunt ghost in Spirit research. And yes,
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you can still find this on the internet. And the MIDI file playing
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is actually embedded in the website, so some browsers, you can't even look
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at this anymore? All right? Should I just start reading the question of
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life and death has puzzled humankind since the Stone Age. Some might argue even
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that the fear of death has done more to shape human culture than any other
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factor. What happens to us when we die? Sure, the brain stops
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sending out electric impulses, the heart stops beating, the blood stops circulating,
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breathing halts, the organs fail, and eventually the body ceases to function.
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But what happens to us our thoughts, memories, emotions, our mind,
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our personality? Do these also perish? Do we just blink out of existence
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into oblivion? Or does our consciousness persist in altered form, having a different
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perception in another dimension? Perhaps? Undoubtedly. If you've ever delighted in a
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spine chingling, a spine chilling ghost story, or struggled with the passing of
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a loved one, the question of life after death has also given you pause
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for reflection. Do you believe you are experiencing a haunting in your home?
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Did you have an unsettling experience you'd like to share? Did you snap some
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strange photos you'd like us to examine? Are you interested in ghost hunting?
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These are all valid reasons for finding yourself here. Wilcome to have a haunt?
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We are here to provide helpful information, advice, analysis and assistance with
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integrity and complete respect for your privacy. If you are new to our site
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and want to know more about who we are, click on this and this
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so included in the introduction here. The homepage is a ghost story, not
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unlike many ghost stories you've heard. Perhaps it's one twenty am. It's one
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twenty am. A young girl awakens and in her groggy state, she sees
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a flash of light and then a vaporous, wispy form near the foot of
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her bed. As a coaches, A chill settles in and she pulls her
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blanket up around her neck. Her heart beats wildly, yet she remains perfectly
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still. The shadowy figure begins to fill with a translucent light and take the
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shape of an older woman. Something about this older woman seems familiar to her,
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as the distinctive smell of scotch whiskey wafts through the room. Grandma was
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a drunk grandma, The little girl squeaks, Yes, don't look so surprised.
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Everyone knew where this day was coming, replies the old woman. I
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am so sorry, She continues, I didn't understand all the pain hours causing.
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A hand reaches out from the shadows and rests on the girl's thigh,
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causing a cool, tingling sensation. I love you, I always loved you
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and your little brother. Everything is okay now, she explains. The girl,
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struck with disbelief, rubs her eyes and looks to the foot of her
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bed again, noticing her grandmother's familiar, wrinkled face has changed to that of
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a vibrant young woman in her thirties. Her gray hair, always tied up
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in a bun, is now flowing a radiant brunette. Suddenly, the luminous
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form begins to dis pate as she flashes one last smile to her bewildered granddaughter.
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The young girl sits up in bed. She begins thinking to herself,
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how strange it is that Grandma's mouth hadn't been moved, hadn't moved when speaking.
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She realizes that the voice she was hearing was coming from inside her head.
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What's up, Grandma was a long neck whisk and Mama, Oh my
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god, what a freaky dream, she exclaims, her heart still racing gradually.
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As she rests her head on her pillow, her thoughts become still,
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and she drifts back to sleep. Later that morning, the young girl stirs
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from her sleep hearing her mother talking on the phone, she gets out of
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bed and shuffles down the hallway. Her mother is on the phone with tears
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streaming down her face. It's so sudden. I thought we had more time,
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her mother cries. Her mother looks over to her with an expression of
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grief. Grandma passed away last night, sweetie. Her heart stopped suddenly.
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The little girl recalls the strange dream from the night before. Or was it
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a dream? She wonders, Mom, When did this happen, the young
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girl asked breathlessly. To her amazement, her mother replies, it was about
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one in the morning. Oh boy, Now you may not have experienced to
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that, but I'm sure you've heard a similar tale. Have you heard the
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story of the woman in the white wedding dress by the side of the road
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hitchhiking? Have you heard that one? She was tragically killed on her wedding
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day. She never made it, unfortunately. I think she had to drive
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herself to her own wedding, and so she haunts the side of the road
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where the crash occurred. And if you're driving at night and you're a little
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bleary eyed, and you see a white figure by the side of the road.
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You better stop and pick her up and give her a ride, because
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if you don't, around the corner is dead man's curve, and you're going
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to plummet to your death going around that corner a little too fast because you
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saw something freaky on the side of the road and you didn't stop and pull
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over. But if you have some sense, you're gonna pull over. You're
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gonna let her in, and she's gonna sit in the back seat, and
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you're going to talk to her for a few minutes as you drive through the
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canyon, and she's going to tell you how she's going to get married,
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and she's so happy, and then you look in your rear view mirror again
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at the back seat and she's vanished. And then you're going to run off
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the side of the road anyways, because you're going to be like, oh
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my god, I just saw the white Witch a goose. All right,
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let's get serious doing a podcast here, Sorry, Johnny. Johnny was listening
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to a recent episode of mine and he was like, that was the weirdest
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podcast I'd ever listened to in my poor, miserable life. I guess he
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thought it was pretty depressing or whatever. But this certainly isn't depressing. It's
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interesting as I was interested in the mysteries of death and the beyond and the
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afterlife, and the spirit and the soul, and what happens to all these
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immaterial things, you know, when the material body perishes. And I didn't
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have a Christian viewpoint. I didn't have a biblical worldview at this time when
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I was engaged in the ghost hunting and the research and the website. But
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I did believe in a spirit world, spirit dimension, and I was interested
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in that. So let me read a little bit more ghost research and introduction.
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This is from the website. The tale above is a fictional account describing
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what ghost researchers call a crisis apparition. It illustrates many observances commonly reported in
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ghostly encounters. Despite the confirmation of death in the morning, a skeptic might
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classify this encounter as a coincidental dream, noting the girl's groggy state. A
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believer would be inclined to see this as proof of an afterlife. Still,
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others would question whether the girl witnessed a physical spirit manifestation or somehow perceived a
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mental projection sent forth by her grandmother at death. Ghostly occurrences are often classified
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by the term paranormal para in Latin, meaning beyond or outside, while the
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study of psychic phenomena is called parapsychology and in recent years has gained limited acceptance
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as an academic science at some universities. From a religious viewpoint, the appearance
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of a ghost might be regarded as supernatural. We use these terms reluctantly because
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they all suggest the origin of such phenomenon to be beyond or outside the natural
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world. On the contrary, we argue that all phenomena are a natural and
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intrinsic part of our universe. Such phenomena simply have explanations which lie outside what
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is considered normal by the dominant society and beyond the scope of sciences current theoretical
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models. Indeed, uh the study of ghosts is almost wholly disregarded by scientists
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for several reasons. The prevalent attitude is that science can only measure the physical
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objective world, and is therefore limited in researching the metaphysical. Thus, one
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of the major goals of spirit researchers is to obtain empirical evidence that our spirit
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survives physical death. A long history of fraud associated with the spiritualism movement has
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done a great deal to stigmatize the study of ghosts. In addition, popular
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culture frequently presents ghost stories side by side with laughable claims of alien breeding conspiracies,
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Oh my Gosh, Elvis, Sidings and the like. Films like Ghostbusters,
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Poultergeist, and more recently, White Noise distort people's perceptions of spirit phenomena
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and the people who investigate hauntings. As a result, serious ghost hunters operate
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under intense scrutiny, with an even greater burden of responsibility to conduct their research
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with integrity and precision than researchers in other fields. Because of the mercurial nature
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of ghosts, scientifically valid evidence is scarce, and so even today, the
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reality of spirit phenomena is commonly overlooked in favor of more widely accepted religious or
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superstitious explanations among the general population, or classified as being the product of mental
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disorders or over active imaginations by the scientific community. While these explanations do suffice
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in many cases, there remains a significant portion of unexplained occurrences that weren't further
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investigation. On the whole, it is fear that plays the biggest factor in
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the rejection of ghost research. And you could substitute UFO research in there too.
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It's about the same thing that I'm talking about here, which is interesting,
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isn't it all right? Off to work? I go? How's it
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go? Off? Work? Go? Leader? You are a slave to
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the lender, anyone to loans your money dictates something conditions. So what conditions
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are being dictated to all kind of the worlds, of the countries of this
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world by the lenders who are unseen lenders? Uh, they're the ones.
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They're the ones that instituted the black operations in all the countries families of the
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world. Right, So in order to have a country running good and under
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their control, you have to have a CIA. You have to have somebody
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that works in the world of shadows. By the way, guys, I
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shut up, not the others. A shadow government. What else? What
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does Satan do? Satan uses lies, see its temptation. It doesn't work
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in the shadows us exactly? Is that? What does the Bible say about
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the night? In the day the evil operates best. I don't see it
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in the shadows in the night, cover by the cover of darkness. Yeah,
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Okay, so why are you running out into the night into locations where
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something tragic happened, a death, a murder, a rape, a genocide,
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a poison, torture, a tragedy, a trauma, because supposedly,
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if trauma leaves an imprint on the environment. But I want to back up
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a little bit from some of these ghost hunting premises and ask the question,
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what are you doing running around in the shadows? And it's just interesting that,
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you know, we combat the shadows with all this technological gear, night
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vision cameras, flear camera, heat sensing cameras, an ovelisk, a ghost
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box, all this technology to measure em fields. You're looking for a scientific
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confirmation of something that's operating in the shadows. And I've forgot where I was
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going with that. Ultimately, like you're dealing with stuff that is under the
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dominion of the realm of the dead and the fallen realm essentially. Okay,
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Now, some people take the approach like we're going into this to heal this
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situation, Like if these ghosts can just tell their story about how you know,
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they were tricked, they were betrayed, they were killed, that the
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haunting goes away and the imprint is resolved and you know, you have some
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sort of spiritual healing okay to the environment. Okay. But very few groups,
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at least the groups that are publicized that are put out there on you
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know, Travel Channel or History Channel or whatever it's to find you know,
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scientific evidence of ghosts. There were a couple of shows that kind of took
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the angle of you know, we're here to help people. It was more
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of a counseling, you know, and with the acknowledgment of supernatural effects affecting
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people, and just acknowledgment of the reality of curses, of family curses and
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these sort of things, trying to break these family curses. Some of these
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ghost groups would have an you know, an actual demonologist supposedly, you know,
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come along with some holy water and a crucifix. I think of a
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Paranormal State, which was the group out of Penn State, I think,
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and they had a television show called Paranormal State. The guy's name was Ryan,
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he was the head guy, you know, and they had a medium,
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a psychic medium along with them. At the same time, obviously that
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their approach was flawed. They're not coming from a Christian approach, but yeah,
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they can have a demonologist come along to and say, oh, yeah,
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we're dealing with a demon. Uh so, a very murky world to
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navigate, a very treacherous pursuit. Much of it's, you know, if
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we're trying to be scientific, it's very pseudo scientific honestly, you know,
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just because you know, flashlight lights up, or you know, you get
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some blurb on you know, an EVP on a tape recorder. Okay,
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maybe you could say, okay, there's there is some sort of electromagnetic phenomenon
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going on here. There's some sort of unseen you know force. We can
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track it. It moves throughout the building. It seems like we can there's
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temperature changes, something is going on here. Not you know, this is
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definitely the ghost of Luddy Susie. I did some ghosts hunting just out of
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a legitimate desire to learn more about death, and uh yeah, these these
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other dimensions, how we communicate like across these veils, these realms, these
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dimensions has always been a fascinating topic. And I think that's the primary focus
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of the occult New World Order because their authority needs to have some evidence to
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back it up, and their evidence this the evidence they're going to substitute in
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there is going to be you know, AI, man is God. AI
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represents not its own thing, but it represents mankind because it's based on human
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knowledge. It's not based on divine knowledge. The AI is the ultimate compendium,
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will be the ultimate compendium of human knowledge that's nicely groomed and presentable as
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to you know, not offend anybody, but be all inclusive. And if
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you differ with the data or the interpretation of the data, or the record
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or the footnotes, or any aspect of the revised world history, you know,
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because now is the time for humanity to unite under these humanitarian, humanist
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Marxist principles, and now the human race is ready to graduate. We're ready
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to reach to the stars. So I will definitely have to break up this
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record because into little sound bites, because I'm trying to connect this to the
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deception that is, you know, ghost hunting, ghost busting, demon hunting,
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and even the UFO alien phenomenon as well, because as we'll see,
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all of this goes back to secret societies, occulted knowledge, and these principalities.
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It's Princess, Sorry, I got something in my mind. I suspect
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conspiracy and so that was a little clip of Jack on Let's Get Jacked Up,
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which I was listening to, and it got me thinking of this idea
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of poking around in the darkness. And so generally, you know, the
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motivation for the ghost Hunter as opposed to like Scooby Do you know Scooby Doo,
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they were out to solve crimes that ended up being very human in nature
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and not supernatural, where deception and fear is employed to lead invest instigators off
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the trail, like wouldn't you expect Shaggy and Scooby to eventually be like,
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you know, all this stuff turns out to be fake anyways, but every
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episode they're just terrified. But it's like comic relief, and most horror stories,
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horror movies, there has to be some comic relief or it's just too
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overwhelming for most audiences. Apparently also children, Scooby Doo is one of my
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favorite cartoons growing up, Sweeks scoob Leggy. Okay, I had to throw
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in some some of that, Okay, but the Real Ghostbusters not the cartoon.
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There was a cartoon called The Real Ghostbusters. But the motivation for these
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early investigators came from a desire to understand, to prove or disprove the notion
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of life after death, which prior to the turn of the twentieth century was
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a well established belief around the world. Very few, if any, human
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cultures thought that your physical death was the end of your existence, and this
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is evidenced by human beings elaborate burial rituals. Animals don't bury their dead,
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and they certainly don't dress up their bodies and throw in personal items and make
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inscriptions and prayers. There is evidence, like Steve Quail and others have written
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about, that animals do mourn the dead, but it's doubtful that they concern
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themselves with the fate of their furry friends in the afterlife. Humans, on
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the other hand, were fixated on death. Death or the avoidance of death
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basically dictates our living. It spawns entire religious systems, and this quest for
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human potentiality is always motivated by the fountain of youth, the desire for immortality.
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And isn't it interesting that this can be traced all the way back to
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the Garden of Eden in the Bible. The Bible has plenty to say about
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the afterlife, spirits, death, ghosts, and warns us about communicating with
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the dead. Now would Bible forbid contacting the dead if it were not possible.
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No, it's certainly possible, And the multitude of the nations in Biblical
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times certainly practiced spirit communication and even worshiped the dead. And this was the
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rule, and the Jews were the exception. Because Yahweh demanded complete devotion.
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You were not to seek the counsel of your dead ancestors or other spirits.
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All you needed to know was communicated directly through God or his prophets and the
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written scriptures of the time. And like the other commandments and laws given to
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the Jews, it was out of love for his people that they were communicated.
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Because God, who was omniscient, knows the co position of spirits in
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the spirit realm and knows its potential for corrupting influence on his people. So
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God knows spirits can communicate with the living under the right conditions. But he
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also knows not all spirits are righteous and good. Only God is good,
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and they're not all loyal to God Almighty, but serve the enemy, and
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therefore they employ the tactics of the enemy to deceive human beings, and like
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the enemy, they lie, captivate, manipulate, entrap ultimately with the goal
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of diverting worship to themselves instead of God, to cause people to sin and
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to destroy them, because that's what the enemy is out to do. So
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the simple practice of pouring out some whiskey on Grandma's grave, you know,
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or pouring out a libation for your dead homies, is a form of worshiping
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the dead, and that's not how we worship God. And that alone is
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reason enough to avoid those practices. If God himself is not directing the communication
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i e. Dispatching a messenger angel or anointing a prophet, or speaking through
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the Holy Spirit through his written word, then beware. But many of these
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early psychologists who studied the psychic mediums and ectoplasm, and they had a scientific
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interest in life after death, they weren't interested in worshiping the dead per se.
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Because the culture, especially in the West, was being transformed into an
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urban, industrialized, very materialist society, and people were starting to be separated
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from their spiritual understanding of themselves and their world. People felt detached. They
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increasingly felt like a cog in the machine of progress and advancement. So pressure
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was put on the churches to modernize to keep up. What really should have
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happened was the church should have doubled down on the spiritual reality that the Bible
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presents. But instead the church, and this continues today, has turned to
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science and rationalism and literalism to attempt to explain the weird spiritual phenomenon that we
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read about all throughout the Bible. These same questions interested the spiritualists and also
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the likes of these nineteenth century and early twentieth century psychologists. So really this
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is the result of this is a backlash against rationalism, modernism, industrialism,
48:30
materialism. Actually, astrologically, this is saturn, okay, chronos when society,
48:46
you see the celebs, they're always seeking after their star sign, and
48:51
then it becomes hip, it becomes popular. Did we be doing seances up
48:55
in here, Yeah, this is why I'll be watching in my ancestors.
49:06
So back then, when polite society became bored, okay, and one night,
49:10
you know, Lord Rutherford pulls out this strange talking board that he obtained
49:16
while visiting Egypt. A similar device would later be trademarked Oija and marketed as
49:28
a family board game by Parker Brothers Ouigi supposedly means good luck, good fortune,
49:45
you're gonna need it. Do you believe in luck, because that's also
49:51
something the idea of luck or chance is something that also entered in to the
49:59
sit of the west from the East, This idea of chance factoring into the
50:05
equation of your life or luck. It's not really Christian though, I mean
50:14
it's not the Bible, and the consequences of the characters of the Bible rarely
50:23
have anything to do with luck or chance. The cards fall where they may
50:30
as a result of, you know, obedience or disobedience to God. So
50:37
this same principle carries through two when we're trying to understand the reasons for the
50:46
prohibition that come down from God when it concerns these sort of communications. But
50:58
in the hands of an experience medium or a sensitive or a necromancer, one
51:04
who communicates with the dead, a powerful communication tool, not unlike the technology
51:14
that modern day ghost hunters use. An novelisk is a word bank. A
51:22
ghost box is a scanner that scans radio frequencies rapidly. This supposedly gives the
51:30
ghost vocabulary to assemble words or messages. You know, and it's you're supposed
51:38
to interpret it sort of through this synchronistic application, and other devices respond to
51:51
changes in the EM field or produce an EVP, an electronic voice imprinted on
52:00
magnetic tape, or digital even infrared ultraviolet okay, that's also on the EM
52:07
spectrum. So for the naturalist, this is all you can do. And
52:15
when I ran my newsletter, when I was doing the ghost hunting and that
52:19
sort of thing and just exploring deeper and deeper into the occult, that was
52:25
criticism that I got from Christians saying, well, of course you see things
52:32
that way. That's the way a natural man sees things. There's nothing supernatural.
52:42
It's all part of nature. Okay. But for the naturalist, these
52:49
are your tools. A flashlight to illuminate the dark, like something moving between
52:54
dimensions causes my thing to bleep, so that must be the ghost of spitfire,
53:01
sally. But if you can see into the spirit realm either in a
53:07
flash or perceive visitors from the spirit realms standing in front of you talking to
53:15
you, well they want to study you and your PK powers, your psychic
53:20
abilities because they like to do mind control operations, black ops, remote viewing.
53:27
So you're special, you're more intuitive, you're more empathic. This is
53:32
why mediums tend to be women. And after the Civil War here in America,
53:39
an industry rose up, really fed by all that suffering and bloodshed and
53:45
death and grief, and so many men went off to fight and never return,
53:52
never to be found, never to be identified. So there was a
53:58
market for medias who could locate the missing and speak to the dead. Okay,
54:06
and America by and large is a Christian country at this time, so
54:12
this was on the down low. So you can see how Satan operates here
54:16
when high society becomes interested in these things, and presidents and first ladies consult
54:22
with psychics and probably worse okay, con artists, magicians, freemasons, okay,
54:29
straight up Satanists. Okay. There's pictures of Joe Biden holding hands with
54:36
and praising Congressman Robert Byrd, a Democrat who headed up a chapter of the
54:44
KKK in West Virginia. Hillary Clinton praised this guy too. You know,
54:51
these good old boy Democrats Okay, supposedly Christian people, but really the the
55:00
lead opposite of Christian. Somehow, this trash, these people are trash end
55:07
up being in political office for decades. I mean, people always want to
55:14
compare their political enemies to Hitler. Hitler was inspired by these people. Okay,
55:22
KKK isn't Christian anymore than Nazis or Christian. Okay. Hitler admired America's
55:31
eugenics programs and people like Margaret Sanger who founded Planned Parenthood. They worship Moloch
55:43
period, you know, Nancy Reagan, Hillary Clinton, eleanor Roosevelt, Jackie
55:52
Kennedy Okay, And in Britain and Western Europe as well, revolutions all across
56:00
Central Europe. Trauma, massive trauma, even abuses of power, unrighteousness,
56:06
lawlessness, greed, okay, principalities and powers, spiritual wickedness in high places.
56:15
This creates conditions that are ripe for mind control and propaganda programming. Okay,
56:23
and many medium's, genuine mediums, I'll say, experienced some sort of
56:30
trauma or abuse at a young age. It's very common, and I think
56:34
it actually explains the heightened sensitivity, the heightened intuition. Well, it's true
56:42
of any human who's placed in a survival situation. This is the super soldier
56:51
program. Not only are they being bred to be physically superior through genetic manipulation
56:58
and implants. Basically cyborgs, okay, but mentally superior and the survival apparatus,
57:07
which is triggered chemically or through subconscious suggestion. Okay, if you were
57:15
raised in a home where your father worked all day, slaved away in a
57:20
factory or a mine, and stopped at the bar on the way home,
57:22
and he's drunk and pissed off and looking for an excuse to unload on you,
57:30
Okay, you're going to start to hear his car when it's coming down
57:34
the street. You're gonna be able to pick up on his energy when he
57:37
walks in the house. You might even flash on an image of him sitting
57:42
at the bar. It might be every Friday, every Monday and Friday.
57:45
You're gonna know. You might even notice he emanates a color an aura depending
57:54
on his mood or the spirit that has come over him, or something clawing
58:00
at his back. Okay, I'm way off track here, Focus, Daniels.
58:10
The point I was getting to is it's ironic that the gifted are the
58:16
victimized until somebody with money or power takes notice. Think of the Witch of
58:25
Endor. Everything's cool when you're helping out the king, right, you're protected?
58:32
Oh yes, yes, I am jew I followed the law. This
58:37
is not really divination. So what was Saul's mind state? Paranoid? Apprehensive,
58:45
maybe a little fearful, because the more you distance yourself from God,
58:51
the more fear consumes you. Did Saul get any helpful information from the ghost
59:00
of Samuel the prophet? No, he got scolded and then pretty soon he'd
59:07
be dead, okay, by suicide. What's underground comes upon the earth.
59:22
What dwells in the caves and in the caverns is summoned above ground, and
59:28
then the occult is hip, it's fashionable, it's goth And around the same
59:32
time, science is booming, knowledge is increasing. Oh, what's happening?
59:42
Is there some sort of exchange of knowledge, some sort of unholy partnership taking
59:47
place, maybe bringing these things to pass? Well, some of these are
59:52
my questions, okay. But the early parapsychologists, they were primarily interested in
1:00:00
the genuine article the channel, and many of them set out to expose and
1:00:07
debunk mediums and psychics through elaborate testing, but with a genuine curiosity about this
1:00:15
range of phenomenon. And they did expose a lot of fraud and shady stuff,
1:00:21
but they also stumbled upon genuine, unexplainable phenomenon. Like I said,
1:00:28
just like the UFO enigma. This indicates that we are dealing with phenomena that
1:00:35
are related, but not because ghosts and aliens are the same thing new,
1:00:44
but they are apart from the physical realm. What we don't understand so well
1:00:51
is how the crossover occurs. Okay, so ladies and gentlemen, what I'm
1:00:58
gonna do here is take a quick break. We're operating under the philosophy that
1:01:05
music is better than uninterrupted rambling. And when I come back, we're going
1:01:12
to talk about William James, the American psychologist who looked into these things,
1:01:17
and some of his contemporaries in America and also England. Right after the break
1:01:28
here, this is actually called Lady of the Lake. I did this with
1:01:34
my daughter, actually, and it kind of it draws upon the Swan Lake
1:01:42
and I just added a baseline to it and be right back the bay.
1:03:25
We're back. This is Ministry X, and we're going to continue our discussion
1:03:30
about William James and his contemporaries, the real ghostbusters, the foundations of ghostbusting.
1:03:43
I don't have any Ghostbusters clips. Darn't it right? When someone asks
1:03:49
you if you're a god. You see, yes, there it is.
1:03:52
Yeah, you guys are fast, thanks Wizzo. Yeah. So a great
1:04:02
deal of the research that I did for this episode comes from a book called
1:04:08
Appropriately Ghost Hunters by Deborah Blum, and this was published in the early two
1:04:15
thousands, I think, let's see two thousand and six actually, which was
1:04:23
probably when I first read it, when it first came out. So I
1:04:29
just wanted to acknowledge this book. Great book. Actually, I really enjoyed
1:04:34
this. It's really in depth focusing on the career of William James as pertains
1:04:43
to the period of time when he was investigating life after death. So.
1:04:55
William James was an American philosopher and psychologist. He was born in eighteen forty
1:05:03
two. He died in nineteen ten, and he's often regarded as the father
1:05:10
of American psychology. He was renowned for his work in pragmatism, the philosophy
1:05:21
of religion, and his contributions to the study of consciousness and human experience.
1:05:33
The Principles of Psychology was one of James's most influential works that was published in
1:05:42
eighteen ninety and it's considered a groundbreaking book that laid the foundation for modern psychology.
1:05:51
It covered a wide range of topics including perception, memory, emotion,
1:05:58
and consciousness, and it greatly impacted the development of psychology as an empirical science.
1:06:12
William James was also a key figure in developing the philosophical doctrine of pragmatism,
1:06:20
which emphasizes the practical consequences of ideas and the importance of experience in shaping
1:06:29
your beliefs, and this philosophy had a big impact on various fields, including
1:06:38
psychology and education. Varieties of religious experience this was another book published in nineteen
1:06:51
oh two, so this was a little bit later towards the end of his
1:06:56
life. James explored the psychology of religious experiences and discussed the diverse ways individuals
1:07:03
encounter and interpret spirituality. So he was studying how religion impacts human behavior,
1:07:15
which is significant because it indicates the kind of mind that inquires into this realm
1:07:26
of the subconscious behavior, the subliminal functioning of the human mind. And along
1:07:34
with John Dewey okay of the Dewey decimal system, James played a pivotal role
1:07:44
in developing what's known as functionalism, which is a theory in psychology that emphasizes
1:07:53
the adaptive functions of mental processes and behavior, which is also significant because it
1:08:02
relates to what I was talking about earlier concerning you know, abuse, trauma,
1:08:12
etc. Leading to the fracturing of the human psyche, the creation of
1:08:18
alters, the creation of multiple personalities. It's another way of saying it,
1:08:25
okay, as an adaptive behavior that the mind employs to protect an individual.
1:08:33
It's a survival mechanism, okay. And then later James did have some interest
1:08:44
in psychic phenomenon and spiritualism. Now this wasn't his primary focus, and as
1:08:50
I was doing additional research on this, most of the sources of information try
1:08:58
to downplay this part of his career when he was looking into psychic phenomenon,
1:09:03
spirit contact and this sort of thing his life after death research. This is
1:09:10
where he started to get a lot of criticism from others in his field of
1:09:15
psychology that he did investigate mediumship and he attended seances to explore the possibility of
1:09:27
supernatural experiences. He was intrigued by the claims of psychic phenomenon, particularly in
1:09:39
the case of the Fox Sisters. Now the Fox Sisters Margaret, Kate and
1:09:45
Leah were claiming to communicate with the spirit world through these rapping sounds and alleged
1:09:58
spirit messages, and they gained considerable attention in the mid nineteenth century and really
1:10:09
popularized the spiritualist movement. James was among those who were curious about their abilities.
1:10:19
Being a scientist and a philosopher, James approached the investigation of medianship with
1:10:28
a critical mind, but an open mind. He attended seances conducted by the
1:10:34
Fox Sisters and other mediums and observed their practices and phenomenon. Phantasms of the
1:10:46
Living was another book that James collaborated on with Frederick W. H. Myers
1:10:56
and Edmund Gurney to conduct research on paranormal experiences, including cases of mediumship,
1:11:06
and that was published in eighteen eighty six, and that examined various instances of
1:11:14
apparitions and telepathic experiences, although it wasn't really exclusively focused on life after death.
1:11:27
So what about William James's personal beliefs. He maintained an empirical approach to
1:11:36
his investigations. This is a very scientifically minded person, but he also acknowledged
1:11:47
the limitations of scientific study in exploring matters related to the afterlife and never did
1:11:57
find anything concrete as far as evidence for the survival of our consciousness after death,
1:12:04
he remained open to the possibility of it and he expressed that further research
1:12:14
needs to be done into these areas. James was actively involved in the American
1:12:25
Society for Psychical Research the ASPR, which was an organization dedicated to the scientific
1:12:33
study of psychic and paranormal phenomena. He became a member and supporter of the
1:12:45
ASPR in the late eighteen hundreds, and he saw the society as a platform
1:12:53
to investigate and understand psychic phenomenon from a scientific perspective, despite skepticism he would
1:13:00
receive and the controversy you know surrounding these topics at the time. Richard Hodgson
1:13:13
was another one of these fellows of William James. He was a British psychologist
1:13:21
and researcher and they became close friends and collaborators. Also, Hodgson was a
1:13:30
prominent figure in the ASPR and was also interested in studying mediumship and these alleged
1:13:40
cases of paranormal abilities. So he would investigate these alleged mediums along with William
1:13:48
James in collaboration and one of their most notable cases was the case of this
1:13:55
woman, alleged medium, Leonora Piper. So James and Hodgson both prominent members
1:14:05
of the Society for Psychical Research the SPR, which was the British counterpart to
1:14:14
the American Society for Psychical Research. They conducted several investigations into Missus Piper Okay.
1:14:28
Leonora Piper was an American medium Okay and came to the attention of the
1:14:31
SPR in the late eighteen eighties because she had developed this reputation for delivering highly
1:14:40
detailed, specific messages from a parent deceased individuals during these trance states that she
1:14:48
would enter. So James and Hodgson thought this would be a perfect opportunity to
1:15:00
study psychic phenomenon, and they did several sittings with Missus Piper Okay seances to
1:15:08
observe her abilities firsthand. During these sittings, miss Piper would enter a trance
1:15:15
state and allegedly communicate with spirits, and would often provide personal information and messages
1:15:25
from deceased individuals to those present. Piper's mediumship was characterized by her apparent ability
1:15:36
to enter this trance state, during which she claimed to be in communication with
1:15:45
spirits. So when she's in this trance, she would relay information, often
1:15:50
in the form of automatic writing or spoken messages, from entities she identified as
1:16:00
ceased individuals. Now Hodgson and James being of the scientific vantage point here and
1:16:12
setting out to obtain scientific proof one way or the other, they would cross
1:16:20
examine the medium during these sittings during these seances to test the accuracy and consistency
1:16:30
of the messages that they received. So they were trying to rule out the
1:16:33
possibility of cold reading, which is basically a trick that people used that mediums
1:16:45
can use by examining a person's body language, their facial expressions, that sort
1:16:53
of thing. You know, someone sits down and says, you know,
1:16:55
I want to know my future, you know, and she noticed you kind
1:17:00
of have a scowl on your face, You're kind of downcast, and so
1:17:05
you make a proposition that seems to validate their emotional states. So well,
1:17:14
I get the sense that you've been feeling down lately, you know, and
1:17:18
sort of lead them along in that way. That's cold reading, okay.
1:17:28
They sought to rule out, you know, other conventional explanations for the information
1:17:33
provided by missus Piper, and what was most striking about some of these sessions
1:17:44
was the apparent validity of the information that Missus Piper relayed. During these sittings,
1:17:54
she provided details about deceased individuals and their families that were not known to
1:17:59
the recent or the sitters, and were later confirmed as being accurate. During
1:18:08
the sittings, Piper exhibited changes in her personality and mannerisms, which she attributed
1:18:15
to control by various spirits, and these control personalities claimed to be the spirits
1:18:21
of deceased individuals seeking to communicate through her. So, despite the apparent accuracy
1:18:32
of some of the information, Piper's mediumship faced a lot of skepticism and criticism
1:18:40
from other researchers who doubted the authenticity of the phenomenon, and some skeptics suggested
1:18:46
that the information provided could be explained by chance or fraud. But the research
1:18:56
continued over several years and the spr maintained a long term interest in her case.
1:19:04
The researchers continued to document and analyze the messages received during these sittings to
1:19:12
evaluate the evidence for psychic communication. So James and Hodgson were careful and critical
1:19:19
in their approach to the investigation of Leonora Piper's mediumship. So what does the
1:19:29
study, the studies that were conducted by William James, Richard Hodgson and others,
1:19:36
what does that have to do with modern day ghost hunting ghost hunters?
1:19:42
Is there a connection? There is there a legacy these you know practices connected?
1:19:48
Well, Yes, there are some connections, particularly in the field of
1:19:56
psychical research and the study of paranormal phen come on. While the methods and
1:20:01
approaches of modern day ghost hunters differ from those of the early psychical researchers,
1:20:13
there are some underlying themes and interests that connect the two. Okay, Both
1:20:17
modern ghost hunters and early psychical researchers, including James, obviously share an interest
1:20:26
in paranormal phenomena phenomena plural you know, apparitions, hauntings, Poulter guys,
1:20:39
and other alleged supernatural occurrences. Like the early psychical researchers, modern ghost hunters
1:20:49
are aiming to conduct empirical investigations of these paranormal experiences. The use various tools
1:21:00
and equipment such as an EMF detector which detects fluctuations in the electromagnetic field,
1:21:09
digital voice recorders, infrared cameras. Okay, technology there is a focus on
1:21:21
mediumship. Mediums are perceived as the intercessors between the spirit world or the realm
1:21:30
of the dead and the living world, and William James and many of his
1:21:38
contemporaries were interested in exploring the abilities of mediums to communicate with the spirit world.
1:21:46
In the same light, modern ghost hunters seek to communicate with spirits or
1:21:51
entities during their investigations and sometimes do employ psychic mediums when they go to investigate
1:22:00
these haunted locations, et cetera. Okay, there's some very technically minded ghost
1:22:09
hunting groups and associations that are strictly focused on, you know, what we
1:22:15
can record with our devices, what can be registered with our sensors, et
1:22:20
cetera. And then some groups that bring along psychics or sensitives, you know,
1:22:27
who can sense energies, sense spirits. Sometimes the spirits speak with them
1:22:32
supposedly. So it depends on the focus of the group. And I would
1:22:41
say most modern ghost hunters, you know, approach their work with a mix
1:22:45
of skepticism and open mindedness. But if we're talking about specifically, you know,
1:22:54
the shows that are on cable TV, you know, History Channel,
1:22:57
et cetera, we have to acknowledge the entertainment aspect of these programs, and
1:23:08
a lot of nothing is really hyped up as something, And I mean that's
1:23:15
my experience watching many many of these shows. But generally speaking, they're trying
1:23:23
to rule out natural explanations. So every once in a while you have to
1:23:30
have an episode where you don't catch anything or you find out it was the
1:23:34
dog or something, just to you know, demonstrate their integrity. There is
1:23:42
a significant difference that we need to point out, and that's the fact that
1:23:47
modern ghost hunting is usually conducted outside the academic or scientific setting, so it's
1:23:57
much easier for skeptics, you know, to shoot down any results or findings
1:24:02
that they may come across because it's not a super controlled environment. And that's
1:24:10
really what's frustrating, especially when I'm talking about the shows. There's a lot
1:24:15
of ghost hunter groups out there that don't have a television show on cable TV,
1:24:20
and I'm sure they will attest to the fact that they've staked out many
1:24:25
places overnight and not had anything unusual happen, and then every once in a
1:24:30
while you have something pretty crazy happen. But when you're producing one of these
1:24:35
shows, every episode has to have something so it's easier to create something out
1:24:42
of nothing, overreact to something that could be explained otherwise, and a lot
1:24:47
of jumping to conclusions. And that's how you put one of these reality show,
1:24:51
you know, ghost hunting shows together. If there's not jump scares and
1:24:57
creepy music, then people aren't going to tune in. So that's definitely a
1:25:01
criticism and a difference between, you know, the types of research. So
1:25:11
William James did have some criticism from several quarters concerning his inquiries into psychical phenomenon.
1:25:23
Okay, he got criticism from psychologists and scientists, skeptics, debunkers,
1:25:31
and also the religious authorities of the time and academics and scholars also. But
1:25:44
despite his criticism, James was undeterred in his explorations of psychic phenomenon and continued
1:25:51
to advocate for open minded empirical investigations. So, if you're going to start
1:25:59
a ghost hunting group, or your ghost hunting group is faltering a little bit,
1:26:03
you know, going back to the standards set by these guys William James,
1:26:09
Richard Hodgson and some others, to have a more empirical investigation might yield
1:26:19
some more insights if you're just out there to go to haunted houses and graveyards
1:26:24
and haunted museums and old, you know, insane asylums to see if you
1:26:30
get anything on tape or whatever. I mean, there's a fun approach to
1:26:34
it. There's a lighthearted approach to it, I guess you could say,
1:26:39
or there's a rigorous scientific approach. The other approach being trying to help people,
1:26:45
trying to rid location a home, a business of a haunting, or
1:26:54
to try and help counsel the family or whatever through it, or resolve any
1:26:59
sort of background you know, trauma, secrets, you know, abuse that's
1:27:04
sort of fueling the activity. So are there any Christian ghost hunting groups out
1:27:14
there? Maybe I didn't look into that, but now I'm curious. I
1:27:19
do know that there are groups that have employed you know, a demonologist,
1:27:25
a quote unquote demonologist, an expert on demons or whatever. Okay, and
1:27:31
we're getting into different territory there, possibly, But if you're a Christian ghost
1:27:38
hunting group, I would assume you're approaching it from a biblical standpoint, and
1:27:45
if you're there to help somebody, then it's going to be under the authority
1:27:50
of Jesus that you're doing so so, and it's real easy, I think,
1:27:57
to get that muddled when dealing with some of these groups. But if
1:28:03
that's your motivation helping people, then you need to pray up and have the
1:28:12
Holy Spirit on your side and realize that what you think might be a ghost,
1:28:19
some sort of ancestral spirit or something. Okay, they need to respond
1:28:25
to the authority of Jesus Christ. Anything less than that and you're wandering into
1:28:33
potentially a dangerous snag. Like I played the clip earlier of the Ghost Brothers.
1:28:42
Ghost Brothers is a show with three black guys from Atlanta going out and
1:28:49
ghost hunting, and I like watching it because you know, there's not very
1:28:56
many African American ghost hunting groups know of and of course it's played up for
1:29:02
TV and everything, and it's funny and it's entertaining. But they are Christian
1:29:10
and they at the very end of season two, they encounter Satanist really who
1:29:15
owns this property that they want to investigate. And I don't know how much
1:29:18
of that dialogue you were able to make out from the clip at the beginning
1:29:24
of the show, but one of the members of the crew was like,
1:29:27
forget that. I ain't dealing with any Satan stuff, and the other two
1:29:31
dudes were like, well, we do approach this from a Christian background,
1:29:36
but you know, we're not afraid to kind of jump in the deep end
1:29:40
here. So and then that was the last show of the season, and
1:29:45
I think the season that got the show got canceled at that point, and
1:29:49
then they kind of retooled it a little bit and they have a new series
1:29:53
out now which I haven't got into yet, but yeah, you could be
1:29:58
looking at some sort of entrapment, so be careful. Like I mentioned,
1:30:08
James did have his critics, this one fellow Joseph Gastro, Sorry Joseph Jastro.
1:30:15
Jastrow. He was a prominent psychologist and a critic of psychical research,
1:30:27
and he was known for his skepticism towards claims of psychic phenomenon and mediums.
1:30:31
Jastro argued that many apparent paranormal experiences could be explained by psychological and sensory factors
1:30:41
rather than communication with spirits. James Hisslop was a colleague and critic of William
1:30:51
James, and they were both involved in psychical research. However, Hislop's approach
1:30:58
and views on the subject differed from James's. His Slip was more of a
1:31:02
proponent of spiritualism and believed in the possibility of communication with the deceased, so
1:31:10
he's a believer, and he disagreed with some of James's more skeptical views on
1:31:15
the evidence for psychic phenomenon. And one of the difficulties that researchers face when
1:31:28
trying to study this sort of thing in a controlled environment, you know,
1:31:31
in a lab type setting, is sometimes the phenomenon just doesn't present itself as
1:31:40
well in a controlled environment with all the lights and censors on. And James
1:31:48
Randy the Debunker, the magician famously would I think at one time he was
1:31:56
offering a million dollars to any psychic who could prove their abilities in his controlled
1:32:03
lab setting, and he never had any takers on the challenge. But that's
1:32:13
more in modern times. Let's go back to James's time period here. Hugo
1:32:19
Munsterberg, who was a German American psychologist and a philosopher, was also critical
1:32:27
of psychical research and expressed reservations about the credibility of mediums and the evidence that
1:32:35
they presented. And he believed that the methods used in psychical investigations were not
1:32:43
scientifically sound and that the phenomena could be attributed to psychological factors. Also Simon
1:32:51
Newcom who was a Canadian astronomer and mathematician. He criticized the investigation of psychic
1:33:01
phenomenon, including mediumship, and his argument was that the evidence presented by mediums
1:33:10
and psychical researchers was insufficient to warrant serious consideration and that it was more likely
1:33:16
a product of fraud or self deception. And as we're going to get into,
1:33:25
fraud had a huge impact on the results of these investigations and the perception
1:33:31
of spiritualism as a worldview, or at least as the scientific study of psychic
1:33:42
phenomenon kind of retreated back into the shadows. So are you interested in pursuing
1:33:56
psychical research as an area of study, as an area of legitimate scientific academic
1:34:02
research. Well, there's only a handful of universities around the globe that have
1:34:09
parapsychology programs. The University of Edinburgh in the United Kingdom. Interesting. Okay,
1:34:17
Edinburgh is in Scotland and it's a very accult influenced area. They have
1:34:27
a Museum of Witchcraft in Edinburgh. Interesting coincidence. University of Arizona has a
1:34:41
Center for the Study of Consciousness and Anomalist Psychology. SOFIA University, formerly known
1:34:49
as the Institute of trans Personal Psychology, offers programs in trans personal psychology,
1:34:58
which includes aspects of consciousness studies and parapsychology. I studied well. I took
1:35:05
a class in high school called trans personal Psychology. I got an a mostly
1:35:12
because it was easy. University of Northampton that's in the UK has the Center
1:35:23
for the Study of Anomalous Psychological Processes. So if you're looking at pursuing a
1:35:30
career in these areas, that might be one of the universities that you want
1:35:35
to get into. Okay, little sidetrack there, I want to talk about
1:35:44
the Census of Hallucinations. That's right. These guys were also studying the possibility
1:35:49
that some of these ghost voices and things they were observing could be hallucinatory.
1:35:58
The Census of Hallucinations was as a research project conducted by the Society for Psychical
1:36:03
Research the SPR during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. The primary aim
1:36:10
of this project was to collect and analyze data related to hallucinatory experiences, such
1:36:16
as sensory perceptions of seeing or hearing something that is not present in reality.
1:36:24
The Census of Hallucinations was part of the broader efforts of the SPR to investigate
1:36:30
and understand paranormal and psychic phenomenon and the project sought to gather reports of hallucinations
1:36:38
from individuals across different demographics and to explore patterns and potential explanations for these experiences.
1:36:49
And the SPR would encourage people to report their hallucinatory experiences through questionnaires and
1:36:57
interviews, and participants were asked to provide detailed information about the nature of their
1:37:02
hallucinations, including sensory modalities involved like sight, hearing, smell, taste,
1:37:12
I guess five senses, frequency, or any potential triggers or associations triggers.
1:37:25
Okay, so let's talk about spiritualism, which is what led the psychologists like
1:37:32
William James to study this psychic phenomenon. Okay. Spiritualism is a belief system
1:37:45
that involves communication with the spirit world and a belief in life after death.
1:37:55
And in the mid nineteenth century, the sort of fad or you know,
1:38:01
viewpoint was burgeoning. It was growing rapidly. So what caused that to happen.
1:38:11
Was that just a random thing or were there factors that led to that?
1:38:15
Well, there was factors. Okay, industrialization, We talked a little
1:38:19
bit about modernization. Okay, nineteenth century, there was a lot of significant
1:38:26
social and technological change. And during these shifts, you know, people experienced
1:38:34
a sense of disconnection from their traditions and their spiritual practices, their religious practices,
1:38:44
and so they were looking for new ways to make sense of their lives
1:38:46
and new ways to look at the afterlife that were sort of more congruent with
1:38:54
this emerging sort of materialist, scientific view of the world. Okay. Loss
1:39:03
and grief, we talked about this. Also. Nineteenth century was one of
1:39:11
the most bloody in history. Significant societal upheaval, wars, epidemics, high
1:39:19
mortality rates. Okay, more than likely you knew someone in your immediate family
1:39:27
who died at a very early age, died tragically, died from some illness.
1:39:33
Okay, people didn't live very long. The devastating losses experienced by individuals
1:39:40
and families led to a heightened interest in seeking solace and communication with deceased loved
1:39:48
ones. Okay, and we're heading into the Victorian era here, which saw
1:39:57
an intense interest in spirituality and the occult and the afterlife, okay. And
1:40:08
so people were very receptive to these spiritualist ideas that you can communicate with the
1:40:13
dead, et cetera. Okay, and people were rejecting religious authority. Spiritualism
1:40:23
emerged during a time when many individuals were questioning and rejecting the authority of traditional
1:40:30
religious institutions i e. The Church, and the concept of direct communication with
1:40:39
spirits appealed to those seeking a more personal and individualized spiritual experience. Okay.
1:40:45
This is one of the driving factors that led me into the occult. Okay,
1:40:51
rejection of religious authority. Okay. Mediums were putting on demonstration of their
1:41:00
abilities, and people were getting curious, and they were gaining followers and believers
1:41:06
okay, much in the same way as the charismatics were able to demonstrate healing
1:41:17
powers, you know, the gift of prophecy. It caused people to take
1:41:25
notice because they're like, here is a person actively involved in their spiritual practice.
1:41:31
They have an open communication with the realm of spiritual influence, whether we're
1:41:39
talking the Holy Spirit or not holy spirits. Okay. And incidentally, there
1:41:49
was a lot of fraud involved in that too, unfortunately, but that doesn't
1:41:57
delegitimize the fact that there is such a thing as genuine spirit contact. We
1:42:03
can debate on, you know, whether that's a wise practice or not,
1:42:08
okay, and how to do that in the framework of being a follower of
1:42:14
Jesus. Okay. That's what we get into on Fringe Radio Network and Ministry
1:42:21
X. That's why I'm talking about it, Okay. There were also all
1:42:29
these scientific and technological advances in the nineteenth century, and people were feeling optimistic
1:42:39
about the potential for scientific discoveries to unlock the mysteries of life and the afterlife.
1:42:49
Okay. The media, newspapers were booming and other mass media, and
1:42:59
this facilitated the dissemination of spiritualist ideas and accounts of paranormal experiences and other you
1:43:09
know, forty in things. And so these reports of mediumship and seances captured
1:43:16
the public's imagination, okay, and made the movement's popularity just boom. People
1:43:27
were reading more books were being published about these things. You had a lot
1:43:33
of newsletters. Okay. We need to talk about this too. It's mandated
1:43:43
gender studies, okay, But spiritualism provided women who were often excluded from formal
1:43:53
religious leadership roles, with an opportunity to be prominent figures as mediums and leaders
1:44:00
within the spiritualist movement. Okay, and again this idea of the empowerment of
1:44:08
women that appealed to many women who were seeking alternative forms of spirituality. And
1:44:20
also there was this desire for evidence of an afterlife. The promise of evidence
1:44:27
for an afterlife through spirit communication resonated with those seeking reassurance and hope about life
1:44:34
beyond death. The possibility of continued existence and reunion with departed loved ones offered
1:44:43
comfort to many. So there were quite a few collaborators and contemporaries of William
1:44:59
James of significance. Henry Sidgwick was a British philosopher, a psychologist and also
1:45:09
one of the co founders of the spr in London. And he was known
1:45:15
for his work on ethics and philosophy. And this is a highly respected guy
1:45:20
in the academic circles of the time. So William James and Sedgwick they would
1:45:28
correspond extensively. They discussed a wide range of topics relating to psychology, philosophy
1:45:33
and psychical research, and they shared an interest in exploring these things, and
1:45:45
Sedgwick had a big influence on William James and his pragmatic approach to philosophical and
1:45:53
psychological matters. Sedgwick was an analytical thinker and he was also very open minded,
1:46:05
and that influenced James's approach to exploring consciousness, religion, and paranormal topics.
1:46:16
And James admired Sedgwick's commitment to intellectual honesty and his willingness to engage with
1:46:24
unconventional topics. Another guy, Edmund Gurney, was an English psychologist, a
1:46:33
researcher, another founding member of the spr and he was particularly interested in psychical
1:46:42
research and the study of paranormal experiences, including telepathy and mediumship. James and
1:46:53
Gurney would both collaborate closely with another man named Frederick W. H. Myers
1:47:00
in their research on psychic phenomenon and they conducted a series of studies into cases
1:47:06
of apparitions, telepathy, and mediumship. Gurney's work and research on psychical experiences
1:47:14
and altered states of consciousness influenced James's own exploration of these subjects. So a
1:47:21
big part of what killed the spiritualist movement or caused it to die off,
1:47:28
you know, as we head into the nineteen twenties, the nineteen thirties,
1:47:31
the nineteen forties, you know, the era of the Two World Wars.
1:47:40
As we find out this would go back underground, its popularity would wane,
1:47:46
and it would re emerge in the seventies and the eighties as the New Age
1:47:51
movement retooled redesigned. But one of the things that led to its initial decrease
1:48:02
in popularity was the Fox Sisters, Margaret Kate and Leah Okay. They publicly
1:48:12
confessed to hoaxing their seances and producing the rapping sounds that they claimed were communication
1:48:19
from spirits, and this happened in eighteen eighty eight, more than forty years
1:48:27
after their initial claims of communicating with the spirit world. And this occurred in
1:48:30
a series of public appearances and interviews. The Fox Sisters revealed that they had
1:48:36
used various techniques to create the mysterious rapping noises during their seances, and they
1:48:43
demonstrated how they could crack their joints and manipulate their toes to produce the distinctive
1:48:48
sounds that had captivated audiences, so that they were like cracking their knuckles their
1:48:55
toe knuckles. You know, one crack for yes, two cracks for no.
1:49:02
And you'll see a lot of ghost hunters do the same thing. They'll
1:49:05
have a little rem pod, they'll have a little EMF device, and they'll
1:49:12
say, you know, one signal or one light means yes, two means
1:49:15
no. Or they won't even make the distinction whatsoever. If the thing lights
1:49:19
up, that means yeah, that means yes, that's the affirmative. The
1:49:29
Fox Sister's confession caused a significant stir within the spiritualist movement and the broader public.
1:49:35
It dealt a blow to the credibility of mediums, and this led to
1:49:41
increased skepticism about claims of communication with the deceased, because with each passing day,
1:49:50
you know, the clamp down of industrialism and scientism and materialism is really
1:50:00
starting to become the dominant worldview. And this affected the church in the same
1:50:08
way, because pastors and preachers and priests and whole denominations were basically making statements
1:50:16
as part of their credos that you know, the spiritual gifts died out with
1:50:24
the apostles, that there are no more gifts of the spirit nowadays, that
1:50:32
we're not going to see anybody raised from the dead, We're not going to
1:50:36
see demons cast out. To the point where, you know, Christians forgot
1:50:43
the spiritual dimension of the Bible, the spiritual reality presented in the Bible,
1:50:49
and reduced it basically to well that's the way ancient people saw it, but
1:50:54
now we know better. Okay. That really undercut the faith of a lot
1:51:00
of Christians and actually resulted in propelling a lot of people out of the Church
1:51:06
and into the pathways of the occult. Because we need answers to these things.
1:51:15
We're hardwired spiritual beings. We're made to seek our Creator. So what
1:51:29
does the Creator have to say about ghosts? What does the Holy Scriptures say
1:51:36
about ghosts? I want to read a quote from William James before we get
1:51:45
into some Bible verses here. I confess that at times I have been tempted
1:51:56
to believe that the Creator has eternally intended this department of nature to remain baffling,
1:52:02
to prompt our curiosities and hopes and suspicions, all in equal measure,
1:52:10
so that although ghosts and clairvoyances and rays and messages from spirits are always seeming
1:52:17
to exist and can never be fully explained away. They also can never be
1:52:23
susceptible of full corroboration, and the same remains true today in this field of
1:52:31
research. But surprisingly, you might be surprised that the Bible does give some
1:52:43
clues as to the nature of ghosts and spirits. And we've been talking about
1:52:48
mediumship and spirit communication a lot, but we haven't really talked about apparitions,
1:52:56
sightings of ghostly figures, that sort of thing. So we're gonna get into
1:53:01
a little bit of that too. That dimension of ghost research, ghost hunting,
1:53:12
and belief in ghosts does not contradict the Bible. Let's read some verses
1:53:19
here about ghosts, So open your Bible with me. Job Chapter fourteen is
1:53:34
a good place to set the stage for this job. Fourteen verse ten.
1:53:50
But man dieth and wasteth away. Yea man giveth up the ghost, and
1:53:58
where is he? As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood
1:54:03
decayeth and drieth up. So man lieth down and riseth not till the heavens
1:54:12
be no more. They shall not awake nor be raised out of their sleep.
1:54:23
I'm gonna skip verse thirteen, go to fourteen. If a man dies,
1:54:28
shall he live again? All the days of my appointed time. Will
1:54:31
I wait till my change come? Thou shalt call, and I will answer
1:54:41
thee thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands. So this
1:54:49
seems to indicate, you know, the Hebrew belief that indeed, when you
1:54:56
die, you remain in the ground, and you shall not wait until the
1:55:03
change comes, which is the resurrection in the last days or on the last
1:55:12
day, okay, when the heaven and the earth is transformed, and we're
1:55:15
transformed, okay, and not before then. So this indicates we're in some
1:55:25
sort of state. We're in some sort of sleep state. Obviously our body
1:55:30
is in the grave in shield, but our spirit is in some sort of
1:55:35
sleep state until the end. And so I don't really buy into this notion
1:55:47
that spirits can get trapped here on earth and they get confused and they don't
1:55:53
know how to find their way to the light, or they don't know how
1:55:56
to get to heaven or whatever, and we need to help them, you
1:55:59
know, pray that they find their way to heaven. And this sort of
1:56:01
thing. I think, under certain circumstances, God can allow the consciousness of
1:56:10
a deceased person to become active, Okay, and maybe that's, you know,
1:56:18
manifested in these sort of ethereal forms, these wispy forms that we can
1:56:24
barely make out, okay, because they're communicating across a dimensional boundary, across
1:56:30
that veil of death. But it's not going to happen unless it's God's providence
1:56:43
that it happens. And there's lots of verses in the Bible that use the
1:56:47
phrase give up the ghost, give up the ghost. So obviously ancient people,
1:56:53
the Hebrews, the people of the Middle East, understood that the spirit
1:57:00
inside a person was separate from the physical body. Okay. In the New
1:57:10
Testament, this is where Jesus walks on the water Matthew, chapter fourteen,
1:57:16
verse twenty two, and I'm reading out of the Borean Study Bible. Immediately
1:57:27
Jesus made the disciples get into the boat and go on ahead of him to
1:57:31
the other side, while he dismissed the crowds. After he had sent them
1:57:35
away, he went up on the mountain by himself to pray. When evening
1:57:41
came, he was there alone, but the boat was already far from land,
1:57:45
buffeted by the waves because the wind was against it. During the fourth
1:57:50
watch of the night, Jesus went out to them walking on the sea.
1:57:57
When the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were terrified. It's
1:58:00
a ghost, they said, and cried out in fear. But Jesus spoke
1:58:06
up at once, Take courage, it is I do not be afraid,
1:58:15
okay. And then Peter walks out to Jesus and starts to sink because he
1:58:21
starts getting afraid. It's a storm, the waves are crazy in the wind.
1:58:30
But of course Jesus saves Peter from sinking. So the disciples recognized what
1:58:44
a ghost was, what a spirit was. Obviously in their mind, it's
1:58:49
impossible for a man to walk on the water. This must be some kind
1:58:54
of spirit or some sort of ghost, something that's not physical but resembles a
1:59:00
person in the form of a person, an apparition. But it turns out
1:59:08
it was Jesus after all. No, those are just a couple verses.
1:59:21
Let's go back to the Old Testament, and this is I've spoken of this
1:59:27
before. When Saul goes to see the Witch of Endor and consults with a
1:59:36
medium and asks her to call up Samuel from the dead. Now in the
1:59:48
medium sees this spirit form coming up or assembling materializing. She says, I
2:00:03
see a spirit, I see a god. I see an alohem. The
2:00:12
Hebrew word is alohem, which means spirit. Spirit. It doesn't mean that
2:00:21
Samuel was a god. Samuel was a prophet who was dead. But again,
2:00:32
this is at God's will that this happens. It's not because the medium
2:00:41
had any special powers or because God was particularly happy with Saul. It's because
2:00:50
God wanted to use this opportunity to teach Saul a lesson, so he allowed
2:00:57
Samuel to be called up. Samuel's spirit essence Samuel's consciousness, which momentarily takes
2:01:09
a physical form, something that you can see with your eyes. Okay,
2:01:16
And this sort of connection also ties back into the alien phenomenon. We might
2:01:25
be dealing with spiritual entities, but they can take a physical form if it
2:01:31
suits their purposes. The key difference is not so much the physical form versus
2:01:39
some sort of form that is, you know, pure energy or consciousness or
2:01:45
spirit or whatever. How do we define that? Well, the key is
2:01:47
that they live in a different place. They live in a different dimension.
2:01:53
Their home is a different dimension, just like the angels. Their home their
2:01:58
first estate was the heavens. There has to be some sort of conversion that
2:02:06
takes place in order for them to be perceived in our physical realm. So
2:02:15
they either know some kind of magic or technology to do that. And I'm
2:02:20
talking about aliens again. Of course I got to tie it back into aliens
2:02:25
or it wouldn't be ministry X. So to wrap this up, I want
2:02:30
to address one more thing, and that's the phenomena of orbs. I got
2:02:36
an email asking about orbs and what my thoughts were about orbs. And I
2:02:43
always get questions about orbs. Even before I did this podcast, I used
2:02:49
to be moderator on this message board called Spiritual Insights. This is a long
2:02:56
time ago. I doubt that it's still there, but people would constantly send
2:03:02
me pictures, photographs with orbs, and they'd ask me, you know,
2:03:10
is this are these spirits? See all these orbs in this picture, And
2:03:14
if you zoom in on the little orb there, you can see a little
2:03:17
face, and this one's this one's green, and this one's blue, so
2:03:25
that means this one's angry and this one, you know, et cetera,
2:03:30
et cetera. And I constantly had to be like, look, this is
2:03:33
a picture of dust. These are dust particles, in front of the camera
2:03:39
that are being you know, highlighted by the flash or whatever. Literally,
2:03:44
someone sent me a picture of like a dance recital, like a barn dance
2:03:48
or something. People up on a wooden stage on a on a dirt floor,
2:03:55
people stomping around and dancing, and there's orbs everywhere, and they're like,
2:04:00
oh my god, this place is totally haunted. Look at all those
2:04:03
orbs. And I'm like, lady, it's dust. Okay, let's not
2:04:10
get carried away. And I eventually got kicked off the message board because this
2:04:18
was a message board for believers, and I was debunking all their photographs,
2:04:26
and eventually that started just making people get irritated because they just wanted to believe
2:04:32
that there were ghosts and orbs and spirits in their photographs. Now that being
2:04:38
said, I've seen some legitimate what appears to be legitimate spirit photography. I
2:04:45
did capture something in a picture of me and my wife, my former wife,
2:04:51
years ago. It was an unexplained streak in the photograph. But that
2:05:00
being said, sometimes these can also be bugs and stuff. I would say
2:05:05
probably ninety percent of the time that's what you're looking at. If you're doing
2:05:10
you know, this sort of photographic analysis. Very few ghost hunters just snap
2:05:16
pictures anymore these days. It's very high tech. But I have seen legitimate,
2:05:25
what I believe to be legitimate spirit photography. But as far as the
2:05:31
orbs go, I think they're a legitimate thing. I think it can be
2:05:35
some sort of spirit energy or something. And you also hear reports of orbs
2:05:41
in association with you guessed it, UFOs, alien abductions, bigfoot orbs.
2:05:51
So maybe orbs are kind of a state of energy or matter that's not completely
2:06:00
taken on a physical form, or it's sort of in that transitional process.
2:06:06
I don't know. That's all very speculative, So don't send me any orb
2:06:15
photographs unless you've really really kind of ruled out some of the ordinary explanations.
2:06:21
Then I'll take a look at it. Or you got a ghost photo or
2:06:25
something, I'll definitely look at that. I'm interested in that. Ministry x
2:06:30
at ProtonMail dot com. Send me your ghost stories, your creepy tales,
2:06:35
all that stuff too, which I do still find very interesting. But I'm
2:06:45
gonna have to wrap it up there. We're over the two hour mark,
2:06:47
and I still got some news to get into. So let's take a quick
2:06:50
break. You've been listening to Ministry X on Fringe Radio Network. I will
2:06:57
not be covering the congresstional UFO hearings in this segment of the news. I'm
2:07:05
going to dedicate an entire episode to that forthcoming. All this went down when
2:07:12
I was on vacation in Florida, so I didn't have time to really analyze
2:07:15
it, although I have watched the entire two and a half hour hearing testimony,
2:07:25
and I'm going to break it down for you because I'm sure you've heard
2:07:28
all the other opinions about it. What's your opinion? Send me an email
2:07:34
and maybe I'll comment on that. If you have any questions about the congressional
2:07:39
hearings or the UFO topic in general or disclosure, and we can address those
2:07:45
questions on our next episode. Yeah, well, daniel X missing the big
2:08:13
UFO hearings hearings in Congress and the guy saying yes we have alien spacecraft,
2:08:24
yes, yes we have alien bodies. Yes, hello world, and daniel
2:08:30
X is not covering that. Dude, that would get your ass. I
2:08:31
can put that other episode on the shelf. I'm ready to do an episode
2:08:37
on it, like seriously. Oh my god, have you heard that whole
2:08:41
thing? I was there, I watched the whole thing live. Oh my
2:08:43
god, disclosure, dude, this is disclosure right there. Oh my god,
2:08:48
I believe it. I was like, what happy dude gets happening?
2:08:54
Aliots on Wow, and daniel X isn't covering it? What's wrong? What
2:09:01
is this picture? Well? I do have some news for you, and
2:09:45
some of it is UFO related. World Economic Forum contributor says Ai could rewrite
2:09:52
the Bible and create correct quote unquote religions. Okay, quote unquote correct religions.
2:10:09
I had to correct my quotations quote unquote. I was beginning. I
2:10:18
was trying to trigger it. I wasn't sure if you guys still played that
2:10:20
one. This is from CBN CBN dot com. Now I must mention that
2:10:35
this article, and uh, the original article has been retracted. This thing
2:10:41
has been fact checked. Okay, because the fact checked is ridiculous, because
2:10:50
it's saying all the things that you've all. Noah Harari commented on like he
2:10:58
was actually endorsing that. So some headlines had given the impression the wording that
2:11:07
Harari himself was proposing that this be done or advocating for it. He wasn't
2:11:16
really advocating for it, but he did say it was possible and implied that
2:11:20
it would be a good thing. So this is by Steve Warren CBN.
2:11:26
Let me just read. Okay. Concerns about the potential misuse of artificial intelligence
2:11:33
AI are escalating yet again after a prominent professor and philosopher said he believes AI
2:11:41
could write a new Bible within just a few years. You've all. Noah
2:11:46
Harari, known for being a contributor and speaker at the World Economic Forum,
2:11:54
is promoting the idea that basically he like Klaus Schwab's little toady Okay, he's
2:12:05
promoting the idea that AI will be able to generate a new, globally acceptable
2:12:11
religious book. Harari's prediction is raising alarms for Conservatives and Christians, since the
2:12:20
Bible is considered sacred as God's holy word to mankind. Correct, but HARARII
2:12:30
likes to focus on Christianity in particular when he talks about rewriting these holy books,
2:12:35
you know, so that AI can kind of they're the AI fact check
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Bible or whatever, you know. He never mentions though, the Quran or
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you know, the Bogda Vita or you know these other holy books, you
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know, just the Bible. Quote, it's the first technology ever that can
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create new ideas. Not convinced of that. You know, the printing press,
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radio, television, they broadcast, they spread the ideas created by the
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human brain, by the human mind, he said. Harari said AI will
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soon be able to invent new concepts and beliefs that are more socially acceptable than
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the Bible. AI can create new ideas. It can even write a new
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Bible, he said, in order to establish unified and quote unquote correct religions.
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Quote throughout history, religions dreamt about having a book written by a superhuman
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intelligence, by a non human entity unquote. Urrari explained, now believes AI
2:14:01
will become a new type of God. And this isn't the only time he's
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made comments like this. Okay, so these comments, these most recent comments
2:14:11
were during a forum called AI and the Future of Humanity. So what did
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he actually say? That's what I want to know. I want to I
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want to hear the quote AI can create new ideas, can even write a
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new Bible. We you know, throughout history, religions dreamt about having a
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book written by a superhuman intelligence, by a non human entity. Oh,
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every religion claims our book. All the other books of the other religions they
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humans wrote them. But our book. No, no, no, no,
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no, it came from some superhuman intelligence. In a few years,
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there might be religions that are actually correct that. Just think about a religion
2:15:11
whose holy book is written by an AI. That could be a reality in
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a few years. Yeah. So those were his actual comments at this forum.
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But he's made other similar statements, and I've assembled some here for you.
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So I think this article from CBN and the others, for the most
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part, made a pretty good summation of his overall outlook towards religion. Christianity
2:15:46
in particular, not the intelligent design of some god above the clouds, but
2:15:52
our intelligent design. We are really upgrading humans into gods. We are requiring
2:15:58
points of the power to re engineer you life. I mean, all this
2:16:01
story about Jesus rising from the dead and being the son of God, this
2:16:05
is fake news. Yeah, so basically satanism, because Satanism is not the
2:16:13
worship of Satan. It is the worship of man as God. That's a
2:16:22
key distinction. And Christians need to understand that. Uh yeah, so let
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me go back to the article. But this is not just a prediction for
2:16:37
Harari. His past comments indicate he has animosity towards God's word. Yeah,
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that's clear. A few years ago, Harari wrote a commentary in The Globe
2:16:54
and Male mocking the Bible, saying, quote, centuries ago, millions of
2:16:58
Christians locked themselves inside a self reinforcing mythological bubble, never daring to question the
2:17:07
factual veracity of the Bible. Well that's not true, and he totally discounting
2:17:16
the like over three hundred Bible prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. So he says the
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Bible is just fiction and compares it to fictional novels like Harry Potter. Quote
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billions of people have believed in these stories for thousands of years. Some fake
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news lasts forever. Unquote, Harari wrote, quote I am aware that many
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people might be upset by my equating religion with fake news. Yeah, that's
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not meant to be like inflammatory or anything, but that's exactly the point.
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When one thousand people believe some made up story for one month, that's fake
2:18:05
news. When a billion people believe it for a thousand years, that's a
2:18:11
religion, and we are admonished not to call it fake news in order not
2:18:18
to hurt the feelings of the faithful or incur their wrath. I think this
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guy's got it backwards, right. Could AI be used for good too?
2:18:33
Well, of course I'm not going to continue the article, but yes,
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actually the article does go on to describe ways that Christians can utilize AI to
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spread the Gospel, and you know, depending on how we use it could
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be a very powerful tool and advises people to monitor, advises believers, especially
2:19:05
to monitor who's behind the controls of the AI. And I agree, let's
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move on to our next story. Though I don't want to keep you here
2:19:18
too long. I'm trying to stay current with the news here. Avi Lobe
2:19:26
is back in the news. And yeah, my apologies on this episode getting
2:19:37
out so late. I was in the state of Florida on vacation Malachandra.
2:19:50
I just started reading the Space Trilogy C. S. Lewis, and I
2:19:56
just watched the Jesus Revolution movie with Kelsey Grammer. So yeah, I'm a
2:20:05
little behind. That's old news and this is a few weeks old now.
2:20:11
But this is the headline from Business Insider, A Harvard astrophysicist believes he may
2:20:22
have discovered pieces of alien technology from a meteor that landed off the coast of
2:20:28
Papua New Guinea in twenty fourteen. Papua New Guinea during a search for the
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media known as I Am One Avi, Loeb said his team found ten tiny
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spheres mainly made out of iron. Quote when you look at them through a
2:20:50
microscope, they look very distinct from the background on quote, Loeb told CBS
2:20:56
News Boston. Quote they have of gold, blue, brown, and some
2:21:01
of them resemble a miniature of the Earth. The fact that it was made
2:21:09
of materials tougher than even iron meteorites and moving faster than ninety five percent of
2:21:16
all stars in the vicinity of the Sun suggested potentially it could be a spacecraft
2:21:22
from another civilization or some technological gadget. Loebe's team worked with the government to
2:21:31
establish a ten kilometer range within which the meteor could have landed. They then
2:21:37
traveled to and searched that area on a boat called the Silver Star. They
2:21:45
used magnets to comb the seabed and found the ten spherules. Did I say
2:21:50
that right? Sphe sphericles? You know what I mean? He believed could
2:21:58
be alien tact Well, why not? The US Space Command said it was
2:22:03
ninety nine point nine nine nine percent certain that the fragments came from another Solar
2:22:09
system per CBS. Okay, even if they came from another solar system,
2:22:15
that doesn't mean anything. Lobe compared the situation to the NASA Voyager spacecraft.
2:22:24
Quote, they will exit the Solar System in ten thousand years. Just imagine
2:22:30
them colliding with another planet far away a billion years from now, he said,
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quote, they would appear as a meteor. Unquote. It will take
2:22:41
us tens of thousands of years to exit our Solar system with our current spacecraft
2:22:46
to another star our current space would you say, bro, The astrophysicist added,
2:22:58
this material you'll spend that time arriving to us, but it's already here.
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Lobe, known as the quote alien hunter of Harvard unquote, according to
2:23:11
The Independent, is a member of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and
2:23:16
Technology and leads the Galileo Project, which searches for physical examples of aliens and
2:23:24
their tech. So probably not finding a lot of alien tech. So let's
2:23:33
just suggest that these iron spherules are alien tech because they have very you know,
2:23:46
uncommon characteristics. So Avi Lobe was the guy that suggested that the Muamua,
2:24:03
this large foreign object that entered our Solar system was like an alien mothership
2:24:18
or could be. You got to listen to the language very carefully because of
2:24:26
the fact that the angle that it entered the Solar System in, because of
2:24:31
the length in comparison to the width, that seemed very unlike ordinary objects in
2:24:43
space, planetoids, asteroids, you know. And it departed from our Solar
2:24:50
system very rapidly as if they just you know, engaged warp one and also
2:25:00
very unusual behavior for a natural heavenly body, I guess supposedly according to Lobe,
2:25:09
and they tracked this thing. Okay, so we've got some anomalies,
2:25:13
but we're very eager to jump to the etch alien hypothesis. And I hate
2:25:24
to say it, but I feel like my next episode, when I get
2:25:28
into this disclosure the congressional hearing, I'm going to disappoint some people with some
2:25:39
of my conclusions, So prepare yourself for that. There's a lot more to
2:25:45
this article, but basically that's my conclusion, Like, let's not jump to
2:25:50
alien conclusions, you know, because people are eager to jump on this.
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All right, one more story and I'll get you out of here before the
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two thirty mark. This is from an N one American newsha n N dot
2:26:16
com. John of God, Oprah's faith healer, faces a three hundred and
2:26:22
seventy year prison sentence. So John of God was arrested, I think back
2:26:28
in twenty seventeen, and he's been in prison. So they've just found him
2:26:35
guilty of more stuff and added ninety nine more years to this guy's sentence while
2:26:43
he's already in prison. The Brazilian self identified spiritual healer, who rose to
2:26:50
fame after appearing on an episode of Oprah Winfrey Show. The Oprah Winfrey Show,
2:26:58
went on trial for rape and sexual abuse. During the trial, he
2:27:03
received more years behind bars. Numerous women have accused Jao Texaria de Paria,
2:27:11
sometimes known as John of God. Okay, this is Portuguese. This is
2:27:20
in Brazil, of assaulting them sexually while they were receiving spiritual counseling and treatment.
2:27:28
This led to police finally making his arrest in December of twenty eighteen.
2:27:33
When he was first convicted, all of his multiple sentences were added up and
2:27:39
his time behind bars resulted in two hundred and seventy years and four months.
2:27:45
After almost five years since his arrest, John of God was found guilty on
2:27:50
Monday and charged with an additional sentence of ninety nine years. This brought up
2:27:54
his prison time to three hundred and seventy years, nine months, fifteen days.
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Faria's fame began when he opened a clinic called Casa de Dome Ignacio de
2:28:07
Loyola in the late nineteen seventies in Brazil. In this clinic, he provided
2:28:16
a variety of services, from spiritual healing to what seemed to be surgical procedures
2:28:22
without anesthesia. He claimed to his clients that he had supernatural powers, although
2:28:30
he did not have a medical license or any related training. He performed treatments
2:28:35
like nasal probing, body incisions, ice scrapings without anesthesia. His clinic developed
2:28:46
into a popular destination for tourists, making a sizeable profit from add on offerings
2:28:52
like crystal bed treatments, blessed water, and herbal supplements. These pills,
2:29:01
which were eventually discovered to be passionflower herbs, generated him and estimated forty million
2:29:09
in income per year on their own. In twenty ten, Oprah Winfrey,
2:29:15
who is well known for her powerful platform, once devoted an episode of her
2:29:20
show to John of God, extending his influence and endorsing him in the eyes
2:29:24
of her millions of followers. Yeah, she really hyped this guy up.
2:29:28
If you remember. His reputation as a trusted spiritual leader was further solidified by
2:29:39
Winfrey's twenty twelve trip to Brazil to record an episode of Oprah's Next Chapter.
2:29:46
So, remember when Oprah Wimfrey started this girls' school in I think it was
2:29:54
South Africa, and and that school was riddled with like sexual abuse scandals.
2:30:11
And if you look at Oprah is a very mysterious character as well. I
2:30:16
mean, she seems innocuous enough, but she's actually right at the forefront of
2:30:26
sort of this blending of Christianity and New Age for a lot of you know,
2:30:35
middle aged women. I suppose I used to call her Popra, but
2:30:43
I think she's into some dark stuff. But that's just alleged. That's just
2:30:50
you know, I don't know, just seems weird. Anyways, I got
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to end it there. Oh, I'm over the mark. Just a little
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