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#2515 - Chase Hughes · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out the Joe Regan Experience Strain My Day Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Rock podcast, By Night, All Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see good to see you, man. What's happening now?
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  Speaker 3: Are you good? Been really good? Just got an Austin
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  Speaker 3: last night.
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  Speaker 2: I watched these videos of you describing this intravenous DMT
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  Speaker 2: experience and the first thing I said is, I need
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  Speaker 2: to talk to this guy about that, Like that seems
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  Speaker 2: like one of the most insane descriptions of anything that
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  Speaker 2: anybody's ever experienced that I've ever seen online. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: tell me about this experience.
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  Speaker 3: So it's d MT and this guy makes it and
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  Speaker 3: they put it into a pump and it's like an
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  Speaker 3: anesthesia pump that you'd have in like an operating room,
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  Speaker 3: and essentially they can adjust your like milli liters per
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  Speaker 3: hour dose like they would use for anesthesia, and like
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  Speaker 3: they launch you off. You're laying The space is beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: They hold the space really well and they can keep what.
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  Speaker 2: Do you mean by that, They hold the space really well.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's a beautiful space, Like it's this amazing place
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  Speaker 3: where you lay down in the middle of the room.
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  Speaker 3: It's like on a really soft pillow thing and good
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  Speaker 3: great music on and like it's it's very calm, and
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  Speaker 3: these people are just unbelievably calm and good human beings
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  Speaker 3: to take you through the experience. And the cool thing
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  Speaker 3: about this pump is that you can adjust your altitude,
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  Speaker 3: so like you could be in the middle of this
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  Speaker 3: and say, I need to go up more, I want
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  Speaker 3: to come down. If you need to take a pe break,
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  Speaker 3: they'll like pull you down. You kind of go onto
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  Speaker 3: the runway and then you go pee and you come
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  Speaker 3: back and you launch right back up as high as
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  Speaker 3: you want to go, as fast as you want to go.
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  Speaker 3: So it's five and a half hours and we did
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  Speaker 3: I did one p break, but it is it's DMT
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  Speaker 3: like the highest you can feel on DMT, like the
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  Speaker 3: most you can see on DMT. But it's five and
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  Speaker 3: a half hours of that. And the next time I
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  Speaker 3: go back, we're going to mix Alzheimer's drugs with this
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  Speaker 3: why to see how much I can bring back, to
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  Speaker 3: see if it improves, like the retrieval like because you know,
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  Speaker 3: like when you when you're in the DMT space, you're
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  Speaker 3: like I have access to all this stuff, like, oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, I wish I could bring this back. I
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  Speaker 3: want to bring this back so bad, and.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like we're protected from bringing it back.
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  Speaker 3: It does. It does like a dream.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there's there's real similar comparisons to the dream state. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the dream state is very strange. I've had like profound
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  Speaker 2: dreams and or really bizarre dreams, and when I wake up,
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  Speaker 2: they're so crystal clear, and with I go to take
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  Speaker 2: a pee, I have a cup of coffee. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: can't remember them anymore. Yeah, I barely barely can grip them.
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  Speaker 2: They just slide through your fingers.
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  Speaker 3: It's like we there is a protective layer there.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like it has to be, because if there
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  Speaker 2: was anything that you experienced in the regular conscious state
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  Speaker 2: that was that profound, you would remember it forever. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just think of a great thing, just usc fight this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: I remember everything. Oh my god, it's so like drilled
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  Speaker 2: into my brain. And that is like nothing compared to
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  Speaker 2: a DMT experience.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it just seems like I've never met
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  Speaker 3: someone who's done DMT that would just call oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's a psychedelic, it's a hallucination. I've never met anybody
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  Speaker 3: that's actually done it. And then we'll just go back
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  Speaker 3: and say I hallucinated something.
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  Speaker 2: There's a few people that say that I've actually I've
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  Speaker 2: read this one piece by this guy. I forget his discipline,
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  Speaker 2: I forget what he was serious act a pandemic, and
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  Speaker 2: his his position after I think he did like one
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  Speaker 2: hundred d MT trips, and his position was that this
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  Speaker 2: is all being concocted by your visual cortex and your
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  Speaker 2: brain and your imagination. That was his position.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, why wouldn't you Why wouldn't you go
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  Speaker 3: to Walmart on a DMT trip? Then at I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Think that's what I just think, you know, it's because
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  Speaker 2: it's very disorienting and you know you really should sit still.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that there's contrarians.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like in the DMT space, why don't you
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  Speaker 3: just see a target or a seven to eleven or something?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Right right? I see what you're saying, something that
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  Speaker 2: your imagination could concoct like a dream, Like in a dream,
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  Speaker 2: you might be a target.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And you had on Andrew Gallimore, Yes, I hear it,
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  Speaker 3: and he talked about this world making part of our brain. Yes, man,
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  Speaker 3: that really hooked me in. And during the six hour
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  Speaker 3: journey experience whatever you want to call it. At the
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  Speaker 3: end of I mean, it's DMT like you're like, it's
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  Speaker 3: just reality's gone, Like everything, Oh yeah, you see all
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  Speaker 3: the stuff that you think is real. Goodbye. It's like
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  Speaker 3: everything's gone. And then at the end of this on camera,
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  Speaker 3: I asked if I was dead thirty nine times. I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't concerned what the answer was. I just was like,
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  Speaker 3: am I dead? And coming toward the end of this experience,
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  Speaker 3: I was bawling. I was crying, and it just felt
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  Speaker 3: like I had to wrap myself in some kind of
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  Speaker 3: ego in order to just return back here to come back.
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  Speaker 3: There's no way for me to come back and not
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  Speaker 3: have some little ego thing. And it made me so
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  Speaker 3: sad coming back that I just didn't want to come
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  Speaker 3: back at all. You know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: It's like Avatar depression times a million. For people that
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  Speaker 2: don't know what I'm talking about. When the movie Avatar
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  Speaker 2: came out, it was so wonderful they experience that these
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  Speaker 2: people seemed like to live such a righteous, peaceful existence
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  Speaker 2: in the forest. That people came back and they were
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  Speaker 2: depressed that they don't live in the Avatar world. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was like a psychological condition that was it was
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  Speaker 2: happening with so many different therapists that people started calling
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  Speaker 2: it avatar depression.
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  Speaker 3: That's brilliant. It's got a name. Like in the nineties
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  Speaker 3: there was a Truman Show syndrome, right right.
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  Speaker 2: Right right. But I mean, how badasses your fucking movie
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  Speaker 2: and it creates a psychological condition and people that wish
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  Speaker 2: that reality was like your movie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. It did feel like that times
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  Speaker 3: times million or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And one of the things that I didn't know happened
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  Speaker 3: was my wife was with me, Michelle, and the night
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  Speaker 3: before when we were at their house, they just said,
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  Speaker 3: you can pick a vial, and I said, let Michelle
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  Speaker 3: pick a vial. And I was in the other room
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  Speaker 3: and Michelle was with this guy who makes the DMT
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  Speaker 3: and he said, would you like to pray over this DMT?
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  Speaker 3: And Michelle did that and I didn't even know she
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  Speaker 3: prayed over it. And the next day and I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying there's anything here, but when it started, the first
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  Speaker 3: thing that happened was like these alien beings or whatever
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  Speaker 3: kind of pinned me down on this table and ripped
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  Speaker 3: me open, like from pelvis. All the way up to
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  Speaker 3: my neck, like all the way open, and I could
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  Speaker 3: hear my organs kind of moving around inside my body
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  Speaker 3: and they're doing something in me. And the second thing
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  Speaker 3: was they pushed my head back up on the table
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  Speaker 3: and this big drill bit went up inside my nose
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  Speaker 3: like all the way to the back of my head.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't hurt, there's no pain or anything. And they
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  Speaker 3: were doing that for probably forty five minutes, a long time,
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  Speaker 3: and it was freezing cold. And then after this journey,
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  Speaker 3: I told Michelle about this and she's like, that's what
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  Speaker 3: I asked them to do. I asked them to fix
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  Speaker 3: your heart and your brain. So I have a heart
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  Speaker 3: thing going on and I have a brain disease, which
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  Speaker 3: is why I was doing this in the first place.
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  Speaker 3: And that was the first thing that happened on the journey.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying there's causation.
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  Speaker 2: Did you get looked at afterwards to see if they
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  Speaker 2: did anything.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't because they have to do a pet scan
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  Speaker 3: and it's so much radiation. Oh, It's like, it's so
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  Speaker 3: much radiation. I can't even hug or sleep with my
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  Speaker 3: wife or our two year old for like forty eight hours.
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  Speaker 3: It's a ton of radiation.
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  Speaker 2: But fuck that. What is the condition that.
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  Speaker 3: You have in the brain? I have mesial temporal sclerosis.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We talked about this the last time your.
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  Speaker 3: Hair, Yeah, and I had to see you like the
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  Speaker 3: night before.
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  Speaker 2: This is the thing that you said that methylene blue
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  Speaker 2: is really helping you with.
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  Speaker 3: You know how many people have ripped that out of
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  Speaker 3: our show and like made commercials for their their company
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  Speaker 3: and stuff out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm used to that. There's so many ads for
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  Speaker 2: me selling everything, yeah, from coffee makers to heart on pills.
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  Speaker 3: And if I don't take that fleeing blue for a
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  Speaker 3: couple of days, I'll I'll go back into seizure territory
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  Speaker 3: pretty quick. Really yeah, But I will say, just to
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  Speaker 3: go back to this dream thing that you were talking
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  Speaker 3: about the way that I like get people to help
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  Speaker 3: like understand this, Like if you're in it, I'll walk
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  Speaker 3: you through this really quick. Let's say you're in a
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  Speaker 3: dream right now and I'm just here in your dream.
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  Speaker 3: We're chilling out, hanging out. And let's say you don't
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  Speaker 3: know it's a dream yet, and I look over and
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  Speaker 3: I say, like, what is that UFO spaceship over there?
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  Speaker 3: How far is that from your face right now? And
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  Speaker 3: you look over at that flying saucer thing, you'd be like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's eight eight feet or something like that. But then,
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  Speaker 3: if you know it's a dream, and I ask you
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  Speaker 3: how far is it, You're still going to say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's eight feet. And then I ask what is it
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  Speaker 3: made out of? You're going to say, oh, it's aluminum
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  Speaker 3: or you know whatever that thing's made out of, But
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  Speaker 3: there's no aluminum in your brain, right so, and then
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  Speaker 3: I ask you again, like what is it made out of?
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  Speaker 3: And you eventually you'll get to a place where you
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  Speaker 3: say it's made out of me, It's made out of consciousness.
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  Speaker 3: Then I say what is the distance made out of?
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  Speaker 3: That entire eight feet of distance is also made out
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  Speaker 3: of your consciousness. And then I say, well, why did
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  Speaker 3: you have to manufacture eyeballs in your dream to see
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  Speaker 3: out of? And then what are the photons? Like you're
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  Speaker 3: seeing colors and all this stuff in your dream. There's
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  Speaker 3: no photons bouncing off of stuff in your dream. The
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  Speaker 3: entire body is fabricated. Your eyes are fabricated, like you're
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  Speaker 3: seeing all this stuff without your eyeballs at all, but
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  Speaker 3: you made up eyeballs to see it all through. And
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  Speaker 3: then the distance like from you to that flying saucer,
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  Speaker 3: you say it's eight feet, that distance is zero, Like,
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  Speaker 3: there's not eight feet inside of your brain. So it
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  Speaker 3: kind of walk people in to show that everything that
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  Speaker 3: you would do, like not in a dream, like sitting
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  Speaker 3: here in the studio to prove that this picture of
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  Speaker 3: water is real, you could do identical. You could do
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  Speaker 3: everything in a dream that you would do in waking
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  Speaker 3: reality to prove that something is real. And then you
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  Speaker 3: realize that the distance between you and that thing is
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  Speaker 3: a made up of consciousness and B doesn't exist. WHOA
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  Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 2: It does make sense. It does make sense because we
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  Speaker 2: assume that because we have tools to measure distance and
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  Speaker 2: sound and touch and all those different different senses that
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  Speaker 2: we possessed, that this is what the world's made out of.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it makes sense. Like and there's dream logic, right,
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  Speaker 3: So like if you're all of a sudden writing on
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  Speaker 3: your rhinoceros to the pizza factory and you're like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's normal, right, So that if you look at like
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  Speaker 3: a galaxy, it matches this the shape of DNA. If
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  Speaker 3: you look at the teroidal shape of like gravitational stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It matches the shape of a red blood cell. You
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  Speaker 3: look at an eyeball close up, it looks like a
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  Speaker 3: like a nebula. And if we just look at as
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  Speaker 3: above so below, like any of that is even remotely true,
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  Speaker 3: then dreams might tell us more than we think about
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  Speaker 3: what's going on here in this what we call reality.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the comparison between the universe itself
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  Speaker 2: and a human neural tissue? No, it's bananas, Like, it's
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  Speaker 2: identical an image. Yeah, it's like an image of the
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  Speaker 2: known universe with an image of is it a brain
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  Speaker 2: cell or a human neural cell? I forget which one was,
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  Speaker 2: But when you look at the two of them together,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, is this whole thing a giant fractal
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  Speaker 2: inside of a fractal inside? If that's an infinity, is
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  Speaker 2: you know, infinity? We'd like to think that, like, this
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  Speaker 2: is what it looks like. That's a brain cell and
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  Speaker 2: that's the universe?
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  Speaker 3: Good lord?
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck? I mean, gosh, it's the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: So it's if at least it looks like the same thing, right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when we think of infinity, we think of
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  Speaker 2: what we are here on Earth, that there is no
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  Speaker 2: distance that you could travel where you find the end,
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  Speaker 2: that the infinite universe just keeps going on. But it's
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  Speaker 2: way crazier than that. It might be that the entire
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  Speaker 2: infinite universe that doesn't have an end is actually a
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  Speaker 2: part of a cell that's in another being, that's in
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  Speaker 2: an infinite universe that has no end, that's actually just
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  Speaker 2: a part of a cell that's been a part of
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  Speaker 2: an infinite Ineke goes on and on and on, and
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  Speaker 2: we have some evidence that that might be the case,
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  Speaker 2: just in the weirdness of these super massive black holes
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  Speaker 2: that are in the center of every galaxy. So these
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  Speaker 2: super massive black We had Michelle Faller on the podcast
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  Speaker 2: the other day, fascinating woman. She's an astrophysicist and just
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  Speaker 2: discussing all the strangeness of the universe. The more that
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  Speaker 2: we experience it, the more the deeper they look, the
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  Speaker 2: crazier it is. It's like the further the James Web
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  Speaker 2: telescope goes out, the more shit that they find that, like,
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  Speaker 2: what is going what is that? How is that there?
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  Speaker 2: This is not supposed to be there. They think that
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  Speaker 2: there's a real possibility that inside every black hole is
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  Speaker 2: a completely new universe. Ye that it's some sort of
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  Speaker 2: a passageway. So if there's hundreds of billions of galaxies
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  Speaker 2: just in the known universe, and every one of those
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  Speaker 2: galaxies has a super massive black hole inside of it
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  Speaker 2: in the center of it, you go through that and
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  Speaker 2: you are in hundreds of billions of new galaxies, all
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  Speaker 2: with black holes. And then you go into those fucking
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  Speaker 2: universes and you find creatures with brains, and you get
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  Speaker 2: to their brain, and their brain looks like a universe.
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  Speaker 2: And if you get closer and closer and closer, you
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  Speaker 2: might see hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with black
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  Speaker 2: holes inside their fucking brain cells.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that was well said. It's that needs to be
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  Speaker 3: a short but.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's infinite. So there's no to that process. It's
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  Speaker 2: not like there's us and then we are a part
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  Speaker 2: of a brain cell of a creature. No, we're part
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  Speaker 2: of a brain cell that's a part of a creature
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  Speaker 2: that's a part of a universe. That's a part of
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  Speaker 2: a brain cell that's a creature that's a part of
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  Speaker 2: a universe. And that's what real infinity is. There is
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  Speaker 2: no end.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that, and we need less certainty
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  Speaker 3: about this shit. I think this figure out what you.
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  Speaker 2: Said about coming back from the DMT trip, about how
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  Speaker 2: your ego tries to kind of reclaim reality for you.
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  Speaker 2: I think that is a genuine problem with human beings today,
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  Speaker 2: in which they cling to ideologies, to political parties, to ethics, morals, religion,
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is that they they connect themselves to inseparably.
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  Speaker 2: And I think part of that is just being afraid
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  Speaker 2: of the vastness of what this experience really is, and
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  Speaker 2: the way to shield yourself from it is to pretend
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  Speaker 2: to be sure that's it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just gives me a little blanket of I've
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  Speaker 3: got this figured out. I know what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: Security blanket.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's we need less certainty in the world.
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  Speaker 3: We need more people to say, as far as we know,
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  Speaker 3: before they say some shit, it sounds science y, as
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  Speaker 3: far as we know, why can't we just put that
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  Speaker 3: phrase in front of more things. And if you're doing
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  Speaker 3: d MT, it just or if anyone does DMT, maybe
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  Speaker 3: it's a hallucination. But Terrence mckenni's described it so well
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  Speaker 3: when he said death by astonishment and there's no words.
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  Speaker 3: At the moment you try to like label anything that
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  Speaker 3: you see in that DMT space, it's like you're destroyed.
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  Speaker 3: It's an act of destruction. Almost.
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  Speaker 2: There's no words for it. They don't exist because words
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  Speaker 2: just words are sounds that we make with our face
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  Speaker 2: to describe known reality, and that there's no words for
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  Speaker 2: that experience.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, then we invented language for trading chickens and spices
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  Speaker 3: and stuff. That's what language is for. Yeah. And if
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  Speaker 3: you just look at like one little sciencey thing like
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  Speaker 3: that's weird, like quantum entanglement. And then somebody says, we
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  Speaker 3: can't explain how this is like faster than light or anything, Well,
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  Speaker 3: we can explain it if we go to a dream
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  Speaker 3: and then say the distance doesn't exist, distance isn't real, right,
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  Speaker 3: What was the temperature make everything different?
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: It was perfect? Now, the temperature was perfect. I was
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: very concerned about that. I was really concerned that these
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: guys are gonna have to fight in the heat. But
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: that was not an issue at all. It seemed like
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: it was in the seventies and it was the storm
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: like miraculously just past us. Like there was all these
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: weather warnings. At one point in time, the fight was
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: supposed to start at eight, and at one point in time,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: one of the weather experts wanted us to start at
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: ten thirty. Yeah, because there were ten thirty night, which
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: would have been a disaster. Ten thirty at night would
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: have been a disaster because it's a six hour show. Yeah,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: you know, or close to it, whatever it is. Say one,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I guess it was five hours. But somehow or another storm
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: just like almost like went around the White House. I mean,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Mysteriously, I don't know what that is.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's science or if that's consciousness.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know what steered the storm, or if it's
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: just random luck. It could have been all the above.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: But all my fears of the weather getting in the
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: way of the fights were they were null. It didn't
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: mean anything. And then there was this long sort of
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: ceremonial thing. They had jets fly over and you know,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: they played music and all this different stuff. So by
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the time we got to the actual fights, dark out perfect.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: The weather was perfect, so that that was an issue
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: at all. And it was just the magnitude of the event.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I know, people saw it on television and looked insane. Yeah,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: but the magnitude of the event being there live. So
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: there's the event that's taking place on the lawn of
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: the White House and that has four thousand plus people
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: the main event. Yes, yeah, so the actual UFC. So
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: there's there's a bunch of military guys that are standing
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: up in the back. There's like a thousand of those,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: and there's three thousand plus that are seated. All these
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: people are seated. But then behind that not that far
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: like one hundred yards, two hundred yards whatever it is,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I guess it's more than that, maybe three hundred yards,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: there's the Ellipse. The ellipse has eighty five thousand people.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: This has got for free. Yes, it's like in the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: whole White House ecosphere whatever.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So this area they have giant screens set up
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: and they have you know, huge speakers and sound and
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: so eighty five thousand fans are watching the fights live
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: on the screens and they can see the lights of
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the fucking this clawed dome in the distance, and they
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: could see the White House in the distance where the
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: fights are taking place. But they're watching it on massive
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: screens with commentary. And it was insane and you could
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: hear them roar. So you hear the crowd from here,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: and then you hear eighty five thousand people in this right.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: You could hear it in the distance. It was insane.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: It was insane.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Just the magnitude of it was insane, unlike anything else.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: You've ever beyond. I mean, I'm a hyperbolic individual, and
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I'm always like, this is the greatest, this is awesome,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Like that was the wildest experience that I've ever had
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: in my twenty whatever years of calling combat sports. There's
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: nothing even close, nothing even close. It was the greatest
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: night of fights of all time. And it was the
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: only night in the history of the sport where every
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: single fight ended by a knockout?
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Did they all?
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Every single one? Seven fights, seven fights, every one of
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: them ended by knockout?
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Wow?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Which never just unprecedented, unprecedented.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: It was like the perfect experience for anybody that had
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: never watched the UFC before to see it that way
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: at the White House like that, I mean, it was
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: it was nuts, a huge experience for the fans that
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: got to be there in the ellipse, and I mean
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I saw videos of these guys. They were having so
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: much fun, and it's like everyone's in there for free.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: You don't have to pay for the tickets. There's eighty
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: five thousand people out there, They're all screaming and cheering
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: and the drinks are flowing and it was wild. I
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: mean just absolutely wild.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: What a two and fiftieth Yeah for wow. And it's
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: a sport that was like banned just what fifteen twenty
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: years ago or something.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Twenty plus years ago. So when the UFC, So when
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I first started working for the UFC was in nineteen
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: ninety seven, and back then I had to watch it
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: on DirecTV. I had DirecTV just because that was the
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: only way to watch the UFC. That's why I didn't
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: have cable. And then ZUFA purchased it, so the Fortida
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: brothers and Dana White they started running it in two
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: thousand and one, and that's when I came aboard it again.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: So I had quit in ninety eight. I worked from
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: ninety seven to ninety eight and then I quit and
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: then they brought me back in two thousand and one.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: And when that was going on, it was banned from
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: cable and they slowly started working it back. They got
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: it on Fox Sports Net, which was the first time
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I ever commentated for the UFC. That was UFC thirty
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: seven and a half, a very special show that they
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: put on for Fox Sports Net try to introduce people
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: to the sport. And so that was the first time
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: it was on like cable again, and then they started
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: getting pay per view bys and it started growing and
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: gathering steam. But even back then, like it was like
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: you were doing porn or something or snuff films, or
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: you were doing something that was damaging for your career,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you know, and people would like look at you, like,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: why you're working for a cage fighting organization? Why would
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: you do that? Cut to twenty five years later, it's
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: on the lawn of the White House and it is
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: one of the most watched sporting events in the history
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: of the world. Yeah, I don't know what the total
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: overall views are as of now, but I know that
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: it was like well over I think it was one
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million just by just by Monday. Unbelievable,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: just by Monday. So that's like the night of and
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: then people that watched the replay that weren't there when
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: the fight took place because they heard about it. But
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: now between now and between then and now now we're
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: dealing with Tuesday, like it's probably another fifty or sixty
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: million people have watched it.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not paramount plus. Just to watch it on YouTube.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I'm sure I don't know thirteen bucks or something and
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: that it was, but man, what a hell of an event.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an amazing event.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: I wish I would have stayed up longer, but I
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: watched the first few fights. It was fantastic.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: The main event was the greatest fight of all time.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: It literally was the greatest fight of all time because
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the guy that won it, Justin Gagey, was in many
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: books six to one favorite, a six to one underdog,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: rather which is crazy odds for a guy that was
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: an interim lightweight champion, fought the best of the best,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: one of the best to ever do it, BMF champion,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, just super durable, real dangerous guy. And that's
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: how good Ilia Taporia is. That's how good Ilia. Ilia Taporia,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: in many people's eyes, is the most skilled of the
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: new generation, and the new generation is the most skilled
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: of all time. And Iliot was like the top of
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the mountain, and most people thought that he was going
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: to be too much, and he was too much for
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: a while, and he almost took Justin out in the
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: second round, and then Justin rallied and then Ilia it
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: looked like he got really damaged in either the first
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: or the second round, and he was having real trouble
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: seeing out of one of his eyes, and then Justin
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: started landing bombs in the third round. Ilia had slowed
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: down quite a bit. It looked like he had really
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: tried to finish Justin in the second and sometimes when
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: you try to finish a guy, you just hit the
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: gas way too much and you can't recover in between rounds,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: and Justin recovered, and Justin started battering Ilia in the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: third and fourth, and by the end of the fourth round,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Ilia quit on his stool. He couldn't see out of
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: either eye. He had got kneed to the body real
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: bad when he was on the ground like Justin, like
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: literally Justin had him down with his two hands, had
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: just smashed a knee into his rib cakes and he
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: could see him go like that, and that was the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: end of the round. And then he had to retire
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: on his stool and made like broke a rib That
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: probably could have happened, but I think maybe more significantly
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: was the eye damage. Both of his eyes were swollen shut,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: his nose was fucked up. He had he taken so
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: many punches to the face, and it looked like perhaps
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: orbital damage, like maybe he had a fractured orbital because
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: his whole thing had just swollen up on both sides.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: He's unrecognizable, and you know, the guy hung in there
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: as long as he could. But when you can't see,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: you can't see, and when you're that battered, sometimes it's
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: smart to stop. And he's a very smart guy, and
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I think he realized, like, there's I can't defend myself
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: right now. I can't see this guy's smashing me. It's
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: call to day. This is what is is preserve my
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: body and my brain and rebuild and come back another day.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: But for Justin, it was like one of the most
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: epic things I've ever seen in my life. For him
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: to win like that when everybody had counted him out.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: He was saying it was going to be his last fight,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: was like a retirement fight. Thirty seven years old, been
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: in the game forever, you know, fought who's who's who
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of all time greats in the sport, and this is
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: gonna be his last fight. And he's like, what if
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I can win the title at the White House, What
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: an ending to a career? And that's what everybody was
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: saying like, yeah, but you're not gonna because you're fighting
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: nearly a tuporia and he was like, all right, we'll
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: see wow, and he pulled it off. He pulled it.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: It was It was insane. It was epic, absolutely epic.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: What do you think that? What do you think the
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: mindset is between somebody who you know, you walk in
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: as an underdog and wind up winning even though your
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: skills may not be more proficient than the other guy.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: What do you think the mental difference is between them,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: like somebody who loses or wins.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of factors. One of the factors
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: is that Justin has always been incredibly durable. I mean,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: it might just be a genetic thing. He even joked
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: around about it, like science needs to take a look
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: at this hard ass skin I have. He very rarely
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: gets cut at all, and he's like, I got these
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: hard ass bones and hard ass skin. He was joking
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: around like science needs to study this. And it's true though,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, he really is insanely durable. He's been rocked
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and hurt before, and he's been stopped in fights before.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: He was knocked out in the last second of the
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: last round by Max, excuse me, Max Holloway in the
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: BMF title, which was an insane fight. But the guy
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: is just he has zero quit in him. It doesn't exist.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Like if you're looking for quit, you go into a room,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: it's empty. The quit room has no one in it.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: There's nothing in there. It's not going to quit. He
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: can lose because he's a human, but he's not going
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: to quit. And he's also been into the deep trenches before,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: the deep trenches of these five round chaotic, insane battles,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: and oddly he thrives in those kind of battles. He's
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: a guy he's described as the most violent man in
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the most violent sport. That's We've all talked about him
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: like that for years, since the moment he burst onto
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the scene when he fought Michael Johnson in the UFC.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: At least he just he's an extraordinary dude, just very
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: extraordinary dude, and not the most technically skilled, like Ilia
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: looked technically better than him, but it didn't matter. Justin
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: found a way to land shots, found a way to
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: like persevere from the early early rounds where he was
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: in real trouble and just shocked the world. It was
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: amazing one of the coolest things I've ever seen in
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: my life.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: That's cool.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It was fucking amazing, was there. Oh my god. I
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: talked to a bunch of people into going that didn't
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: want to, Like Shane Gillis was thinking about not going.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, you gotta go. It's gonna be epic.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a once ever thing, not on once
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: in a lifetime, once in anybody's lifetime. It's never happened before,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: it's probably never gonna happen again.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Probably not.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: No, that's something you have to see and experience. And
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: it's so many people are trying to make it a
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: partisan thing, like they're mad at people for being there, like, oh,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: you're support wrong, it's a it's a fucking fight at
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: the White House. Doesn't mean you endorse foreign policy, Like
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: shut the fuck up, just please, just please stop. And again,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: it's this thing, the ego thing, where people are just
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: they just want so badly. And on both sides, for sure,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: you know, the right celebrates this as a win for
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: masculinity and patriotism and all these different things like okay,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: settle down, everybody, settled down, we should all be together.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: And I mean one of the things that I wanted
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: to do when we went to the White House to
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: try to push through psychedelics for therapy for veterans and people,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: you know, first responders, people struggling with PTSD, is you
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: need to take these steps to give people a path
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to change their mind. And I think that's the title
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: of Michael Pollin's book, and it's a great way to
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: describe it. Change your mind, change your whole perspective. And
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: there's no better way to change your whole perspective than
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: a complete dissolving of your ego momentarily, at least for
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: a while. Just lock it all away, push it out,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and then you get a chance to see what it
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: actually is doing and the effect that it has when
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: you let it back into your life.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how much are these clothes do you want to
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: put back on?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Right? I described it as like control all delete for
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: your brain. And then when your brain reboots it as
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: one folder and that folder has just labeled my old bullshit,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: and you have a decision to make you go back
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: into my old bullshit. And most people do at least
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: a little. I do a little, but for sure you
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: recognize that it's your old bullshit instead of thinking you
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: are who you thought you.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Were, and it's a lot of stuff that wasn't didn't
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: really belong to you. It's like we act like decorator
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: crabs all throughout our lives when we're just kind of
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: grabbing these little things. Yea, and you realize that. And
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I think that the you're just talking about this politics thing.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: I think separation is the number one greatest deception of
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: all time, the biggest problem with the biggest problem that
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: we have, and the biggest deception that we have. It's
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: like we are set print and that one thing that
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: you see and you do it something and I mean
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: this therapeutically. I don't mean you like you're taking mushrooms
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: and going to going to a concert. When you when
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: you do this like therapeutic psychedelics, the first big realization
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: you have is like, oh shit, this is all me.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Like we're all kind of connected. We might be one thing,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: but there's something here that's connecting all of us.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever that is, well you want to call it
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: consciousness or our souls are connected or something. Yeah, there's
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: something where we're connected that we're kind of denying for
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: some strange reason.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: And I think that that's one of the reasons I
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: think you you maybe would agree that we're in a
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: loneliness pandemic right now, Like we have more rampant loneliness
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: around the world than we've ever had before. And if
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: you look at how this has evolved, I didn't know
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: it was coffee. Thanks man. Yeah, So if you look cheers, sir,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: thank you man. If you look at this loneliness and
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: people are you could stand in a room full of
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: people and still feel lonely. For so many people. The
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: majority of the world right now is in this loneliness pandemic.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: So what's really going on? And this is my opinion,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: feel free to toss it, but we're in a place
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: that's becoming more and more performative on a daily basis,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: just fake, artificial. Let me say what people want to hear,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: let me act how people want to how I want
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: to be perceived, and which means that if I'm even
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: if I'm a little bit performative, no matter who it is,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: my best friends put my hand to put their hand
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: on my backs, that Chase, you're a great guy, You're
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: a good person. But in the back of my mind,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I know that I'm performing. I know for a fact
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: that probably not even my spouse has ever seen me.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: They can't like me, they can't love me, because that's
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: not me, right, And I think this hyper performance world
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: of I don't mean performance, I mean like, let me
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: act out this thing. I'm gonna act a certain way.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: And because let's look at it, if you look at
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: our ancestry, I had to worry about like you and
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I were maybe eight nine years apart, but when we
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: were in elementary school or middle school, we did some
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: stupid shit. We had to worry about twenty people making
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: fun of us, and now we got to worry about
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: twenty million. And that is a that is an existential
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: difference between those things. So we get better at hiding
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: shame and pretending like we don't have it, and then
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: what if now going back to separation, Now, this is
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: what I call it, the disease of specialness of I
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: am special, which means I'm the only one here pretending
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: and everybody else has got their shit figured out. And
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: then that isolates you even further and not realize that
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: everyone has this, everyone has this little crap going on,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: and like the fear that people feel of like if
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I just be real, then I'm gonna get made fun of,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get rejected, I'm gonna be kicked out of
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: the tribe. It's not real.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: It's not real, but it can be real depending upon
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: your circumstances. So if you were in a very enclosed
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: ideological tribe and there's no there's no tolerance for any
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: deviation from whatever the narrative is. Yeah, you know, this
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: is a real problem with social media. This is a
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: real problem that it wasn't like that. I mean, I know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I'm like one of those old people that's like back
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: of Marder. But when I was young, you were allowed
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: to have different opinions, like it was normal. I had
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: friends that were conservative and I would make fun of
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: them and they would make fun of me, and it
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: was normal, Like you kept those friends because no one
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: was telling you to get rid of those friends. There
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: was no pressure to be a part of a group.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: There was no silence as violence bullshit. There was a
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: bunch of people that thought differently, and you talked about stuff,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: and we weren't as informed, that's a fact. We didn't
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: know as much about how the world works, that's a fact.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: But now that we do. One of the things that
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: we should all be acutely aware of with us spending
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: so much time interacting with each other online, is that
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of the people that you're interacting with are
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: not real, and not a small number. If you are
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: on x it, you know, Look, there was an FBI
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: analyst that he before real. They're bots, like an actual
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: not human AI bots. AI bots is a big percentage.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: And then there's actual humans who work for organizations that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: push narratives. You can hire an organization to push a
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: certain narrative. You can hire them to support you, or
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: you can hire them to attack your enemies. You can
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: hire companies that will artificially create a movement of people
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: that agree that this person's a bad person, that this
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: project's a bad project, that this is a good idea,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: that he's a good person, that he's a good this
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: is a good politician, whatever it is you get. So
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: it's you're not dealing with genuine thought, You're dealing with bullshit.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: And here's where it gets really weird. I think it's natural,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: and I think everything is nature, and I think this
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: idea that this artificial communication that we've developed through social
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: media is what's really fucking everybody up. I don't think
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: that's the case. I think this is a natural progression
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: of nature. The idea that our stupid fucking creativity and
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: intuition and technological ingenuity it can bypass nature, I think
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: is Horseshit is It is nature, and I think nature
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: is creating this convergence, creating this very bizarre convergence of
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: humans and artificial intelligence through a bunch of ways that
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: are unproductive, in a bunch of ways that are productive,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: but all of the like gathering together in a device
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: that's like almost impossible to resist. If there was anything
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: else that you use six hours a day or eight
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: out if you're a good person, if you're good with it,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: like a lot of kids are around seven, eight, nine
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: hours a day, Like there's anything else like that, you
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: would think that person's got a horrible addiction. But for us,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: we've accepted it as a normal part of society and
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: that whatever that interaction with it that we have, that
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: that that deep connection we have is only going to
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: get deeper, and it's ultimately going to lead to some
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: sort of hive mind, and it'll probably not be a
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: hive human mind.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Only.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I think it will be a human AI hive mind.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I think one of the things that's happening to us
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: is there's this weird like movement to this is a
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: weird movement to discredit traditional femininity and traditional masculinity. And
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: there's this bizarre over celebration of outliers of weird gender people,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: of people that are confused with their gender. And I
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: think that's because if you play that out, this is
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: a new thing. Again. I'm an old man, but when
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I was a young guy that what did not There
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: was cross dressers, there was guys that got off on
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: wearing women's clothes. There was always stuff like that. There's
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: always been people with gender dysphoria, but there was never
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: like this. And this is also coming out of time
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: where microplastics are disrupting our endocrine systems big time, so
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: testosterone levels are dropping. We're like, oh my god, it's
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: a crisis. What do we do about it? It's natural.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Our use of plastic is probably natural. It's probably all
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: somehow or another connected to take us out of our
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: territorial primate bodies and move us into some new stage.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Of existence, like some post biological Exactly, yeah, exactly.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I think it's inevitable and I'm not fighting.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: It does agree with that, like we're moving toward that direction.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Well, he most certainly thinks that we are moving into
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: a direction where we converge. And I mean, he said
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: about this is what I mean. The dude's literally cutting
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: holes in people's heads and shoving fucking circuits in there
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: and doing a lot of wild shit with it. I mean,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: people are using their their eyes like aimbots. And a
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: paralyzed gentleman that we haven't had on the podcast was
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the first neural link patient. I watch that. Yeah, he
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: said it's like a cheat code, like he because he
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: looked where he looks, that's where the cursor goes, and
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: he shoots people pow, you know, like he's shooting people
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: in his mind. Yeah, in a video game, like video
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: games with his mind, and he's excellent at it. Well
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: you've got to think, well, eventually you'll be able to
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: move your body that way, and then eventually you'll have
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: all sorts of other tools that didn't exist before. And
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: one of the things that Elon has famously said is
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: you're going to be able to talk without words. That's
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: the hive mind. We're moving towards that. And this gets
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: us into all this weird uap shit, Like, what are
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: these aliens? What are these experiences that people are having?
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: What is all a mass hallucination? Is it us from
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: the future? Is it us from the past? Is it
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: another species? It's far more advanced than us that's come
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: down here to monitor us and shepherd us through our
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: very difficult time. Whatever it is, they seem to be
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: what we're going to be if we keep going in
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: this direction. Our brains are far larger than monkeys, our
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: bodies are far weaker pound for pound than any of
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: the other primates. So what do they look like? They
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: look like these fucking spinly things with no muscles and
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: giant heads. And they communicate telepathically universally. Like everyone from
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: all over the world, every planet, or every country rather
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: that's experienced these creatures, they all say the same thing.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: They all say they communicate with them telepathically, which that's
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: where we're going.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Which is exactly what you experienced on DMT, right, And
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: like you can get a test drive of what that's like.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Do you know that the original when the original scientists
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: or I guess what they're anthropologists or what kind of
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: people were studying ayahuasca when they first went down to
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: the Amazon. They wanted to call Harmine telepithine. They didn't
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: know that it had already because the rules of scientific nomenclature,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: it had already been named, so they they didn't know.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: So this substance that these people had created one of
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: the aspects of it they wanted to talk. They wanted
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: to talk to it as telepithine, that they want to
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: refer to it that way, So that was what they
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: were going to call it scientifically, wow, because they had
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: experienced these telepathic moments while on it, But because it
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: had already been named, they weren't allowed to rename it,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: so they just stuck with harminge. But Harmine had a
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: real chance of being called to lepithine.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: That's beautiful, wild yeah, yeah, And it just seems like
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: consciousness is coming to the forefront of every debate right now.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: The telepathy tapes shot out of a cannon, like nobody's
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: ever heard of that stuff. And I think you had
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: the director or something on the ships, and it just
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: seems like the level of certainty that some people have
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: about consciousness is adorable, adorable to me. It's like we're
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: these little hairless monkeys and we're like every generation is like, oh, yeah,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: that we didn't know one hundred years ago, but now
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: we know, we know now. It's just ridiculous.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: But that's the ego, right, that's the certainty.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: We need that certainty. And I think we're at a
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: place where curiosity, maybe except for politics, isn't really dangerous anymore.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: It's like people got are scared to be publicly curious
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: or to be public questions something like why is this here?
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Why is that there? Do you know who Ignos Simmeleweiss was. No,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: he was a doctor back in the day. No idea
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: what year it was, but it was very very early days.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: He was the guy who said, hey, maybe in between
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: these operating room patients, what if we washed this blood
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: off of our hands do this next operation? And he
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: got laughed out of the room and then eventually thrown
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: into at insane asylum where he died for questioning this thing.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: And it seems like so much of what's going on
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: with like psychedelics research, even though like document after document
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: is showing it's the most effective thing for PTSD and
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: anxiety and depression and addiction all this other stuff. And
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not a champion researcher any stuff. But it seems
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: like kind of coming out people are getting the same
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: treatment as this guy did when they're coming out, even
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: though like it's been documented so well and it's still
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: a schedule one drug.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I think now that's changing, and I think there's
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: an I think one of the things that's changing it
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: is the acceptance of it by the right and one
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: of some of them, at least the old boomers they
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: don't want to let go. But the young guys, like
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: especially special Forces guys, seals rangers, those kind of guys
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: that come back so many of their buddies have had
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: experiences and then recognize when one of their friends is
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: struggling and take them to have these experiences, and that
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: word's getting out. Sean Ryan's responsible for a lot of
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: that because he's talked really openly about it, and obviously
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: he has a huge platform. But Marcus Latrelle, you know
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: him talking about it. And then Rick Perry, the former
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: governor of Texas, Republican governor of Texas, who hated marijuana,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: hated it's psychedelics, thought it was all just a bunch
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: of hippie bullshit. Well, he had brain atrophy, natural age
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: related brain atrophy. And the doctor said, oh, it's just
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: pretty normal, you know standard, You're fine, goes and does
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: this iyeb again. Session comes back. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: a couple he's done a few goes and does this
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: ibogain session comes back. The doctor says, you felt like
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: his twenty five percent approval improvement rather in your brain atrophy.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: So then six months later he goes back again for
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: another skin. His brain atrophy is gone. It's gone. He says,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: he feels different, he thinks different, he feels better, like
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: his mind works better. So it's not just an experience
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I begain. In particular, it seems to be neuro regenerative
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: in a profound way that if this was a drug
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: that you could patent, the pharmaceutical drug companies should be
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: all over this shit.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it'd be that it's proving to be one
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: of the most effective drugs ever teen if you're looking
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: at like efficacy versus like a sample size, it's one
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: of the most effective ever tested. Andy Stemp and I
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: just did a show about it. We're talking about this stuff,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: and he's brought a lot of awareness to this. And
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: if I think if we could get a little bit
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: of awareness to it. I think we could cure a
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: lot of this stuff. But I think the number one
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: thing is like, is there a way that we can
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: help to get this faster to people? And they're working
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: on it. Brian Hubbard and Rick Perry.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: That I mean Rick Perry's said openly that this is
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: my life's mission, now, you know, really yeah, I mean
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: former governor Republican governor of Texas, his life's mission is
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: to promote psychedelics.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad. Oh, I'm so glad.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: And this is another I begain is the best one
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: to start out with, because I begin has zero recreational use.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: It's zero, it's not fun, nobody likes it, it's not
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: a good time. You throw up, you shit yourself, well,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: you freak out for twenty four hours, But when you
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: come back, you're a different person. And if you're willing
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: to do that, if you're willing to do that, you
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: can change. You could do a lot of fixing all
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: that's and also, maybe even more importantly, be aware of
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: what these little traps, the little these little deeply carved
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: grooves that your consciousness seems to comfortably slip into over
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: and over again, Whether it's alcoholism or gambling or whatever
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: it is. It seems to just shut those down, Yeah,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: in a very profound way that you can't get anywhere else.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just I think it zooms you out
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: to where you're like, oh shit, I thought all that
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: was important, Like you're talking about zooming out on these
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: galaxies within galaxies and black holes and stuff. It gives
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: you that perspective like whoa, I thought I was really special.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: I thought I was super important. Yeah.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is one of the things that
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: most psychedelics do is they remove that idea completely. I go,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: this is You've got to get rid of this. This
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: is tripping you up. You're carrying this fucking weight around
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: everywhere and it's really stopping your progress.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's it's kind of like, uh, like you're
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: in a video game and then somebody comes back and
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: be like, hey, man, here's the way that here's the
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: shit you need to actually worry about. You don't need
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: to do all this other stuff right right right.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like a little helper guy in the video game. Yeah,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: guys got to come with me. This is the wrong room. Yeah,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: they're coming. We got to get out of this room.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Don't do that quest. Yeah, that's that's what it is.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm a I'm a hypnosis guy. I've
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: studied all the brainwashing, interrogation kind of stuff. This is
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: the fastest way, I think. And I've studied every possible
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: way to change human behavior that that probably has ever
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: been researched, and this is, bar none, the fastest. And
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: I think the one of the reasons that it helps
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: people so much. And I don't want to this is
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: going to turn into a two hour psychedelics discussion, but
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: it's your show. I don't care, Okay. I think it's
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: because perspective shifting is what happens, like if you're looking
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: at life and you're you have this little GoPro is
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: your consciousness, and you're looking at this level. It just
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: snatches that thing up and zooms it out and puts
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: it in another location where you're like, oh my god,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I had no idea it was like this, And it
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: seems to be that perspective, just the shift in perspective
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: seems to be the number one thing that psychedelics produce therapeutically,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: and that's the thing that like cognitive behavioral therapy is
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: trying to get done over the course of like ten
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: or twelve years, or you know, however long it takes.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: But it just seems like it does it so fast
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: in a profound way, and the stuff is non addictive,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: non toxic. You're not going to see it's not a
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: street drug. You're not going to see people out there
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: on the street selling like DMT capsules and DMT I
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: would say, similar to ibergame, it's not recreational.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I think it is.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: You think DMT is recreational.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot of people that recreationally
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: do it. I think that would be your thought, you know, oh,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: just do this and have fun, and then once you
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: do it, it's no longer recreational. Once it's too profound
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: to be just purely recreational.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've heard of people getting banned from Yes, I have.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Jamie and I were just talking about this.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew a guy who's a tattoo artist who
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: got banned.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: And you can keep taking DMT, like you can go
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: take ten hits on a d MT vape pin or
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: something and you're not going anywhere.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Is that nuts?
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: It's insane.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: It's like they just decide no, no, no, you're doing
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: this for the wrong reasons.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I listened to one guy describing and he's like,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: it's basically like you're knocking on the door of a
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: nightclub and like the little thing opens up. It's like, no,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: you're not coming in.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: You gotta think, like, what are they doing wrong?
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think maybe going in with ego seems to
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: be one of the things I see that's in common
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: and people trying just treating it like a little recreational thing.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: The ego thing is a problem even within psychedelics because
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: there's sort of a carve out that happens, which I
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: always refer to as spiritual narcissism. There's a bunch of
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: people that do it that somehow another want to be
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: a guru or a leader and to show you that
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: there's somehow or another better because they have had these experiences,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: they know more, and they pretend they know more. They
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: pretend they know more, and then they get a whole
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: bunch of people that are very suggestible, and those people
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: sort of listen to them, and then that's how you
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: start a cult. And there's something to that. There's a
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: specific type of narcissism that occurs from regular psychedelic use
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: when people want to lead groups of people.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think if you go into a journey
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: or two with no ego, do you know what? You learn? Less? Like,
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: you're less certain every time, Oh yeah, about the world.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: From the moment you get in there, You're like, oh,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: how is this real? How is this available? Fifteen seconds
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: away from normal reality?
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, And I definitely think that we're moving forward.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: If we move forward to psychedelics, our species is going
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: to move forward.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I agree, And I think
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I think all the time, what would have happened if
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: that sweeping Psychedelics Acts, the Controlled Substances Act of nineteen
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: seventy hadn't been enacted, if this stuff had been available
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: to people for the last you know, fifty six years,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: what would that be like?
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah? What would the ninety four Ford Taurus actually look like?
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Dope? Who look like a sixty nine Mustang?
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Because those are the people that were doing drugs exactly.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's no there's no other explanation in my
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: mind why cars started looking like shit and music yeah
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: down still good music music mode. Because there's a bunch
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: of people that still did drugs. But there's there was
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: a giant change between nineteen fifty and nineteen sixty, with automobiles,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: with music, with everything. And I think a large part
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: of that, if you're really being honest, a large part
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: of that is psychedelics.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah. I mean you look. Look if you've ever
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: gone into a huge mosque and looked up at the ceiling, Oh,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: it's incredible. It looks like exactly like what you see
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: on all this stuff. I'll go no further on that topic,
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: but and just all the ancient artwork and it's very
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: so psychedelic and beautiful. It's like they got written out
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: of history somehow. And I think there's a difference between
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: drugs and medicine. Can we take a pee break?
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Sure, go ahead, take a pee break. I'm good, but
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I'll hold.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I think it's the coffee.
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• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Exclusions may apply. Pull it up, Jamie, So we're looking
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: at Jamie pulled up a bunch of photos of inside
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: of mosques that that in particular, that is absolutely a
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: d MT experience. So well, here's the.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: Question, Like, I feel like I've been to that right about.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, that looks super d MT.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I've spent time there in that mosque.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: But in that what is that one, Jamie to the
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: upper left, you just you scrolled up up left upper
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: left corner that, Yeah, just what the fuck is this?
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Three? D Oh?
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: You know what that is? Dude? I think that's Alex
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Gray's place, is it? Oh? Okay?
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: Oh my god?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Well you know what Alex Gray is doing? Do you
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: know Alex Gray? The visionary artist. Yeah. So his Chapel
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: of Sacred Mirrors this, uh, he has a real church
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: that they built based on his artwork.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Wow, it's incredible, non denominational. Yeah, just like like a
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: roth Coat, like a roth Co chapel.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: You know, he's one of those guys, you know what
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I was talking about with spiritual narcissism running a group.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: He's the opposite of that, Like is he's pure and
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: his place like this is his artwork, but this is
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: his place. And if you look at the outside of it,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: that's the outside.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Of the place that is so cool.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: So the outside of the place is basically like three
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: D printed artwork of his that they've constructed into a building.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how he did it. It must
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: have cost a fuckload of money a bunch of people donated.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: But the inside of his I think that is So.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: He used to have a place in New York City
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: that was like a gallery that was the Chapel of
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Sacred Mirrors. So where's that? His daughter, he said, that
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: is it? That's on the Hudson Yeah, in the Hudson Valley.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's an incredible, incredible artist and his ability
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: to capture that experience like that one. If you go back, oh,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: actually scroll down to the lower left, right there, the
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Egyptian looking one lower right there. Bam, I've seen.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: That, dude, I've.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: One seen that. I've seen that too. But go back
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: to the other one that we're just looking at. No,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: that's not the same. That's the one i've seen. I've
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: literally seen that. I've seen that those and they move
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: and change and morph. Yeah, he's just able to nail it.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know how he does that.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: He's incredible.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: One he's a good artist, but two being able to
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: bring that back with coherence where you can kind of
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: show someone what it's like. I remember seeing that face
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: and I was like, in the DMT space, I was like,
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: is that me? And right when I said that, the
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: mouth moved exactly like my mouth, and I was like,
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: that is me.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Well, you're it and it's you and you're everyone. Yeah,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: you're everyone and it's everyone. Yeah. It's the weird thing
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: with the mosques. If you go back some of the images, please,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: are the mosques the first one that you pulled up
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: the ceiling, what were they doing? Not that one, the
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: original one that you pulled up That one. Yeah, like
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: that's very very DMD. So like what were they doing
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: that they saw this? And is that? Was that a
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: part of their religion at one point in time? And
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: has that been forgotten? Like what is it? Like? Why
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: why did that exist? Go back to the first one.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: It had to that one colors seems Oh really you
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: think it's a I I just just seeing so much
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: a stuffrom last year, right, it could be the rest
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: of them. Well, go to that that website just looks still.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I say, go to that website where it'says fifty mesmerizing mosques.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: If it says where it is, then I told you
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: there it is that seeing I Ron, we probably blew
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: that up already.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: God, I hope not.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: I hope not too. I mean, didn't Israel blow up
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: a bunch of like ancient Christian places in Lebanon? I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: believe they did, I don't know place. This is the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: same place, So that's whatever that place is zero? Is
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: that the same place? Yeah, that is a very psychedelic place. Okay,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: look at that one. That's nuts cool. So what were
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: they doing?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Is that three D?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: It's like a three D photos It's manipulated in a
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: weird way.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, So that's like a fish eye.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Right, But either way, just the designs themselves are the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: actual design So like, what were they doing that they
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: wanted that to be represented? And is that missing? Because
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: there's a great book called The Sacred Mushroom in the Cross.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: You ever read that John Marco Allegro book. So John
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Marco Allegro, who was an ordained minister, but he was agnostic,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: and he was a guy that studied theology, and his
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: conclusion after a year, I mean, even being an ordained minister,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: his conclusion was that, like, it's probably not any one
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: religion doesn't have it right. And so he was one
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: of the people that was brought on to decipher the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Dead Sea Scrolls. He deciphers it for fourteen years, he
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: works on it, and he writes this book called The
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Sacred Mushroom in the Cross where he believes that the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: entire story of Christianity is connected to the consumption of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: psychedelic mushrooms and fertility cults.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Have you seen like Jamie am I allowed to
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: ask Jamie to pulse?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like one of the original paintings of Jesus was
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: him with a bunch of mushrooms, right, And.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the Adam and Eve the fresco in France.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: So that Adam and Eve fresco that's painted this God,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: I want to say, it's at least one thousand years old.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: It's painted on this wall in France. Is Adam and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Eve and the tree of life and the tree of
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: life is mushrooms.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's the tree of knowledge. Yes, the fruit
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: of knowledge.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Right, right, it's not the tree of life. It's the
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: fruit of knowledge. But this the story of it like that, Like,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: what is the actual reference to why in the Bible?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I don't want to paraphrase it as to why God
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: told them not to eat from the fruit of that tree.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Put that into perplexity. What did God say to Adam?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: By the way, everybody blame an Eve. Adam was the
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: only one to talk to God. We don't even know
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: if Adam told Eve. He might have forgot to tell
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: her and then blame the whole human race suffering forever.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, read I read that, Read that over and over again.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I'm like, where does it say that Adam told Eve?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: It doesn't anywhere God told Adam eat from any tree
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: in the garden except for the tree of knowledge of
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: good and evil and that if he ate from it,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: he would surely die. You are free to eat from
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: any tree in the garden, but you must not eat
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, for
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: when you eat from it, you will certainly die.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, And what does that mean?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Right? You will die? What ego death? Because if that's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: what it is? Yeah, And then there's the weird thing
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: is that the whole connection between the Amanita muscaria and
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: the Psychedelic Book, or rather the sacred mushroom in the Crossbook,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: is that the amanitum scaria is a red mushroom that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: looks like an apple, and in fact, the term like
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: there's like confusion as to whether or not the term
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: apple is actually meaning a red thing. And then it
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: might not actually be an apple, but it might actually
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: be the original version of it might have been the amanita.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: And then you have to think, how many thousands of
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: years has this been around that it took, how many
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: different people have translated it, how many different people have
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: passed on the story, Like what was the source? What
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: was the original story?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: And why delete it?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: How does this get deleted so like pervasively?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, around the whole world. Have you heard the Christmas
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: traditions as well?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Santa Claus is a mushroom.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, oh my gosh.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: And it's the same mushroom the Amanita ascaria. The weird
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: thing about the amanitam miscaria is it doesn't like not
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of people have had psychedelic experiences on it.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: It's a very weird mushroom.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Do you think it evolved? Maybe over time, It very.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Well could have. McKenna had some thoughts on it. They
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: said that it could be seasonal, it could be location,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: It could be like where it is. It could be
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: genetic variations, it could be a bunch of different factors.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: And if you consume it by way of reindeer piss,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: right yeah.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Well, not only that, people drink their piss when they
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: consume it, and it gives them like the second dose,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: the second burst. So apparently the psychedelic compounds come through
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: the urine and if you drink it, you just get
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: a full straight blast. And reindeer have been known to
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: like knock shamans out of the way to drink their
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: piss because the reindeer are addicted to this mushroom, which
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: is why they fly in the Santa Claus story.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I heard the story. These shamans would go
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: around pulled by dog sleds or something, and the snow
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: was so high that they would drop the stuff down
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: the chimney to these people. And it was fresh mushrooms
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: or fresh almanita or something, and in order to dry
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: it out, you'd have to hang it by the fire.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Right, and you hang it over the trees too. That
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: people would put it on trees. That's where they're decorating.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: The Christmas tree is also those mushrooms. The aminina mis
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: carrier has a micro hizal relationship with coniferous trees.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: I didn't know this.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's where they grow. They grow underneath the trees,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: just like the brightly packaged presence that are underneath the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: trees on Christmas. The story is, it's a crazy story.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: It's like what did we what did we forget? How
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: much did we forget?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: What's been revised?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Right, we'll just think about what we're just talking about
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: inside of our generation. So the nineteen seventy Control Substances Act, now,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: that is a that's a government that's restricting its citizens
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: and trying to control with citizens and one of the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: ways it does it is limit their psychedelic experiences. Yeah,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: that's not the only time that's happened, right, that's the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Illusinian mysteries. That's from Brian murra Rescue's book The Immortality Key.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Like this, this is what they did back then. They
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: banned these rituals. Why because it's very difficult to control
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: people when you realize that we're all one. Yeah, you know,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: it's almost impossible. It doesn't work. They don't want to listen,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: you don't want to do it. You know, you start
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: getting your lawmakers and your military people start doing it, well,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: then wars becomes.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: Impossible, absolutely impossible at that point because that's me. I'm
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: I'm hurting myself right doing all exactly. Yeah, And it's insane.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: It is insane.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: I want to I wish there was like on a
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: Google doc how you can look at revision history. I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: wish there was something like that for our race, our species, right, right,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: just so much has been changed and modified, and we
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: have historians, but we don't. They're they're studying something that's
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: been permitted and something that's been a fit released. And
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: this is more certainty. It's just more certainty. Like, oh, oh,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: that reindeer story. That's bullshit because I got this.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Book from Yeah, they don't know it's bullshit.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: Liechtenstein or you know whatever from this historian.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Plead to authority that you have the answers. Bitch, you
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: don't have the answers. Yeah, you definitely don't. You can't.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: It's not possible. You can't have those answers.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're in an age where this is proving
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: to help with so many other things. And it's not
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: just depression, but it's like Alzheimer's, dementia, Parkinson's, mayesthenia, gravs,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: multiple sclerosis, autism, it's helping with Yeah.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Would you see that woman that had dementia that took
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: five grams of mushrooms and slept for like nineteen hours
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: and woke up and then she could talk. No, you
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: didn't see that story. No, Yeah, there was a recent story.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: There was a woman. She was nonverbal, she couldn't communicate,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: she couldn't dress herself, couldn't walk, couldn't do anything, took
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: five grams of mushrooms, slept for nineteen hours, came back,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: started communicating, looking at people in the eye, was able
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: to change yourself was able to walk around.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: How beautiful.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Crazy, and then with subsequent doses or condition improved even more.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you had I think it was Paul Stammetzon
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: and he helped his mother through cancer. I think like
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: stage three cancer with turkey tail or something. I can't
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: remember what it was.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a bunch of mushrooms that help with inflammation.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of mushrooms that help with cognitive function.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: You know, Lion's main is famous for that. Yeah, you know,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: there's some weird relationship that we have with fungus. And
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: one of the interesting things about fungus we think of
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: it as like a plant, but it's not. It breathes air,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: breedes air like people do. It's a weird thing. And
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: it also can survive in a vacuum. It could survive
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: in the vacuum of space. Yeah, which is the pants
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: bermia notion that mushroom spores where came here riding on
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: an asteroid slammed into the Earth, and it might be
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: one of the reasons why we're people in the first place.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: That's McKenna's idea.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: Of how we like separated from our ancestral like chromagnon roots.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean this whole idea that people were
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: created by aliens. You know, maybe maybe those aliens are
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: mushrooms I mean, or maybe mushrooms is the way the
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: aliens created people. Yeah, you know, it might be just
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: how you add a little bit of fertilizer to tomato
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: plants to make them awesome.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's just every generation, like this generation says, oh,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: we're in this computer simulation right now. But you know,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: during the Industrial Revolution, the universe was a machine and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: we started doing electricity in the universe was energy and vibration,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: and how we invent computers, and all of a sudden,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: the universe is a computer. It's just every iteration. So
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: I tend to think that any theory that assumed humans
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: are super special, I'm a little skeptical. Yeah, because it
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: assumes that a like these ancient like way up high
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: beings have like a MacBook that they're trying to run
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: this ship out right, and they're like, well, the hard
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: drive would need to be the size of the solar system,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: like just assuming that they have the same ship that
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: we do.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. Yeah, that's a that's a funny comparison. They
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: used to think the universe is a machine. It's app
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: it's so dead on it's uh, we always want to
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: try to figure it out. I think it's way more complicated.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: And I think the more we figured it out, the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: more we realize it's way more complicated. And it is
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: all connected. Like people are super special, we really are,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: but so is everything else.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: Exactly, everything is super special.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is all and everything is weirdly connected.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And even if you look at regular ass science,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: just basic ass science, and you look at an Alley
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: Watts quote of like we are the universe experiencing itself,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: that's just regular science. If we are the Big Bang,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: then we are the universe and we are experiencing it itself.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: And you don't need to do any stretches of imagination
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: for that to be true.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: And Roger Penrose doesn't even think the Big Bang is
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: the start of the universe. He thinks it's a series
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: of big bangs. Oh really yeah, he thinks it's like
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: it's never ending cycle.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: Did you have him on?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, long time ago, well year, we have Roger Penrose.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: On, isn't it sir Penrose?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, didn't you get sir?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: I'm American though. Yeah, I tend to shy away from
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: those foolish night that's another thing. Oh he's a knight,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: that's a king.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: Oh you know, did I? I don't know if we
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: talked about last time. Have I told you that? Like
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: I figured out a way to edit memory. No, Like
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: you can do it with hypnosis.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: So I know that you can introduce false memories into
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: people's heads. Yeah, and I know that people create their
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: own false memories. Yeah, so you found a way to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: do that different than that.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, And I make videos similar to this on my
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: YouTube channel. But I wanted to walk you through this
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: process because I think you would love it. Okay, So
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: if I want somebody to be able to edit a memory,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: I need to make them good at that skill first. So,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: and we already edit memories every time we touch a memory,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Like if I think back to my wedding right now,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: I'll edit something, and I'll do it unknowingly. So if
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: our brain is already an expert at making these changes,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: and then, like before I stop thinking about that wedding,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: my brain automatically clicks file save right, and then so
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: the next time I look back on it, the memory
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: is going to be there, but it won't. I won't
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: see it as an edit. I'll just see it as
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: that's the memory, no matter how many times I change.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: It makes sense, yes, okay, So first we need to
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: get them to start doing some of that stuff consciously.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: So if you take somebody back to let's say a
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: childhood bedroom when they're seven, okay, and you do it
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: very vividly with hypnosis, so like you're going in their
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: file cabinet, you let them explore the bedroom, the details,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff. You make it extremely vivid
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: and coherent, and then you have them pick up like
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: a pencil, a really sharp, brand new pencil, maybe from
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: their pencil box from school or something, and they go
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: over by the light switch in the bedroom and just
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: make one dot on a wall. And I figured this
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: out talking to game developers. And I was talking to
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: game developers about how people figure out ways to exit
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: the map, to exit the playable area of the game,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: because it kind of feels like that's what psychedelics do.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: There's like it lets us kind of exit this little
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: playable map temporarily. So one of these game developers said, oh,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: you just if you can get somebody to modify one pixel.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: Then they can modify the entire map. So if one
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: pixel is glitching, then we can glitch. You can glitch
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff. So I thought, maybe we can
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: do that in humans. So I've done this hundreds of times.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: So you just make a mark on the wall with
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: a pencil and then you kind of fast forward their life.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: So like you bring them to like say there were six,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: now we're going to bring them back into the room
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: when they're eight. The bed sheets are different, maybe the
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: wall color change, something like that. But the one thing
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: they can do is walk over there to light switch
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: and see that that tiny little dot is still there.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: So something and now you're starting to see that there's
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: permanence through time. It makes sense so far. So if
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: we can get them to do that like fifty times
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: tiny change.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: You're doing it through hypnosis.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I mean hypnosis is such a loaded crazy word.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: They're relaxed, they feel and their brain is in theta
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: brain wave state most of the time, which is around
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: seven herds.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been hypnotized, and I thought it was going
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: to be like I didn't know what was going on.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: I was in another world. No, it's a very odd
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: state of mind.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of like guided meditation or but you
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: feel very conscious.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: It's not. Yes, and I remembered it. It wasn't. Yeah,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: didn't wake up my pants off. It was pretty normal. Yeah,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: it's pretty com a Manchurian candidate as far as you know,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: as far as I know.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: Right. So if you can do this fifteen twenty thirty
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: times of one pixel at a time and show that
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: it's permanent through time, then you can go back to
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: other events and instead of editing the memory itself, you
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: teach them how to shift perspective. So now you take
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: them through thirty more events really quick. A true events,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: a birthday, party, a dinner, adult life, children, doesn't matter.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: And now like let's say I'm at a dinner party.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: Can I jump from one body to another and experience
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: the event through that lens? Now, So first we make
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: them an expert at editing memory and seeing permanence in time.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: Second is perspective shifting in real memory, so I can
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: jump across the table, I can be at my own
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: wedding and maybe be somebody in the front row and
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: like just shift their perspective in memory. The final layer
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: is exactly what psychedelics do. So the final layer is
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: go back to that event when you get kicked in
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: the nuts and everybody laughed at you in elementary school
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: or whatever, and you can reprocess that memory in a
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: very short amount of time as an adult with the
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: perspective of an adult.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: So meaning like so if you had a traumatic event
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: in high school when somebody beat you up in front
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: of everybody and everybody mocked you and it just like
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: destroyed your year and destroyed your confidence, you can go
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: back and shift this person's experience.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and instead of modify the memory like, oh, that
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: never happened, the memory stays. The perspective changes. So now
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: now you show permanence over time. So that has downstream
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: effect for all kinds of stuff later in life. So
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: this is when a script got written of I've got
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: to be tough, I've got to be loud, or somebody's
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: gonna hurt me, or you know what I mean, like
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: one of these little childhood scripts. So you get the
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: downstream effects. So you can go in there and there's
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: probably you could probably edit memories. I've always been nervous
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: to modify stuff that's way more than like a pixel
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: or something insignificant, but the memory stays the same. The
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: perspective is what changes, and you can show that it's
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: got a demonstrable effect downstream of that their whole life
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: can be different after that day. And it's just like
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: a mushroom. That's exactly what psychedelics do, is this massive
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: perspective shift on memory.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: And so is this something that you're actively doing.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: With clients. I'll do this on occasion, but now.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Is anybody else doing it?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: Maybe a few, there's probably a few people doing it.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: And is there any like times will you guys get
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: together and discuss techniques and what's a effective and what's
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: not effective?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: And there should be We don't, right.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Because it seems like this is it's kind of a
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: big deal and it seems like someone could fuck it up,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: like it has the potential for delusional perspective shifting.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, you've got to be responsible about it.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: But nowadays I think that that psychedelics can achieve a
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: lot of that without having to go through some like
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: I need you to go back to the original event
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: and like having me vocally take you back there using
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: this archaic, stupid ass language that can't even describe a
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: psychedelic experience with this language. This is what I was
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: doing mostly before psychedelics.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: Then.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: You know how I got into psychedelics was the Spirit
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: Molecule movie that you did the voiceover for it, and
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: that was what kind of introduced me to the entire
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: the field of everything where I thought, wow, this it
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: just just doesn't seem like a recreational drug. And that
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: was the big shift was watching that documentary for me.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my big shift was reading Rick Strassman's book.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: I still haven't read it. I need to.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He was the first guy to get FDA approval
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: to do psychedelic studies, and the way he did it
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: was very clever. He did it to prove that these
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: are damaging and dangerous. That's how he framed it.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: It's so brilliant.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: He's a very smart guy. I mean, we're talking about
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: a guy who taught himself ancient Hebrew.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: Oh wow.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, over sixteen years, taught himself to read and speak
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: ancient Hebrew so that he could really read the Bible
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: in its original form.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's fascinated by prophecy and ancient religious stories. And
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: you know, he, like a lot of people that have
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: had DMT experiences you once you do, you look at
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: those old stories and you go, Okay, what what are
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: these stories really? What was the original? What was the
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: original event? Like it's so hard when you're like Moses
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: and the burning bush. Well, there's scholars in Israel that
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: think that burning bush was the acacia tree. That the
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: acacia tree is rich in DMT, and that might be
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: what it represents. This experience of meeting God through a
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: burning bush. Is he smoked DMT? Yeah, which for anybody
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: who's done DMT, they go, oh that makes sense. I
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: mean these scholars. I don't think these scholars are freaks.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're psychedelic aids. I think they're just
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: religious scholars that are trying to like figure out, like
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: what was the origin of that story?
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never heard of that.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah Acacia Yeah, well acacia tree very rich in DMT.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: But a man hilarious grass very rich in DMT.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: Mimosa. Yeah.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: And for people that don't know the reason why, well
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: DMT exists in probably thousands of different plants. But you
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: can eat those plants and not experience DMT because of
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: my amine oxidase. So mono mao is what your gut
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: makes to break this stuff down so it doesn't become psychoactive.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: But when you take an MAO inhibitor and the psychedelic,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: then you get ayahuasca. That's what aahuascar is. That's why
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: it's an orally active version of DMT.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which methylene blue is in maoi. Oh interesting, it's
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: a pretty light it's a pretty light form of it.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: But if you're on methylene blue and you do psychedelics,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: it's going to deepen.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: I can imagine a lot of people are very hesitant
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: about methylene blue. They don't like the idea of it.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: They think it's very dangerous or potentially dangerous. That we
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: don't know enough about it.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: We've been researching it since eighteen ninety something, and it's
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: in every emergency room. Is it really every emergency room?
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of anybody having bad experiences with
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: methylene blue or side effects or.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: There are some contra indications? So people that are on
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: a high dose SSRIs Oh okay, And if you're taking
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: an maoi you can't eat age, cheese and wine because
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: of this chemical called tyree scene it's in there, oh
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: each cheese.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So something about the fungus. It's old.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe there's red wine and age cheese both have tyrosine,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: which when you mix tyrasine with an m AOI it
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: can cause a hypertensive crisis. Oh so like a super
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: blood pressure. But I haven't heard anybody having a bad
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: time with it. But you've got to stick to the
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: right dose. Talk to you obviously, you got to talk
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: to a doctor about it.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Well, let's ask AI. Put that into AI put that
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: into perplexity. See what is the negative consequences of taking
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: methylene blue. Maybe there's something that we don't know. Huberman's
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: a little bit hesitant about it, you know, Yeah, you see,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: And I've talked to other people that say it seems
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: like for a certain metabolic condition it's very beneficial. But
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: for people that have a normal metabolic like your your
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: whole system is working fine and perfect, it might not
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: just not be necessary, but might cause harm. But they
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: were very vague about what that harm would be.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's for everybody. It may not be
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: for everybody. It saves my life for sure, which I
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: mean I could stop taking it today and I'll have
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: a seizure within forty eight hours. That's wild.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you said you had a seizure at last time
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: after you've visited here.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: The night before I came on the show.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, methylene blue, this is our AI sponsor perplexity.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Methylene blue can cause a range of side effects, from
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: mild nuisance symptoms to rare but life threatening reactions, especially
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: at higher doses or when combined with certain medications. Common
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: short term side effects headaches, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Nothing,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: don't be a pussy.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my soil lists are actually stained from pete. Yeah.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does make your pea blue, sweating, feeling hot
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: or cold, muscle twitches, harmless blue green, discoloration of urine,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: sometimes stool or scin. Serious risk serotonin syndrome when combined
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: with antidepressants just like you were just saying, or other
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: serotinogenic drugs SSRIs as, NRIs MAOIs, some opioids. Saint John's wart.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: G six PD is a big contraindication there. So methylene
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: blues and ears because of methemoglobinemia, which is like when
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: you your hemoglobin can't bind to oxygen really well. And
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: it's also there the only cure for cyanide poisoning. Is
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: methylene blue really yeah, cyanide? It will stop cyanide in
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: its tracks. WHOA, it probably says that on you.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting safety for chronic lodos. Experimenting for anti aging
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: or cognition is not well established and is not currently
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: recommended without medical supervision. Hmmm. I know a lot of
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: people that take it. I know a lot of people
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: that take it.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: I know Bobby takes it.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, he's one of them. A lot of people
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: that take it that say it improves cognitive function. It's
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: supposed to. Also when you take it with red light therapy,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: it's supposed to greatly increase the effect believably.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean number if you want to go
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: into it for just a minute here, Methylene blue has
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: what's called a neuronal affinity. So they used to like
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: you stick it on a microscope slide with a brain cell.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: It sucks into the neuron like automatically, and it does
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: the same thing in your body. So if I know
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: that I'm basically dying, all of my neurons blue, and
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not just talking about in your head, like we
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: have neurons everywhere our whole body. So if I'm dying.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: A lot of my neurons blue, and I see something
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: that's blue. Methylene blue is blue because it reflects blue light,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: which also means that it absorbs almost all red. So
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: if my neurons are dyed blue and then I go
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: into a near infrared and infrared light, I know that
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: I'm getting way more absorption in there.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: Let's fucking go, And that makes sense.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: In the third stage of stage of cellular breathing, we
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: produce this chemical called cytochrome c oxidase, and cytochrome is
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: like cell color, cytochroma where our cells can start running
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: essentially running on photons, which is beautiful and amazing. And
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: if you get a good red light system and I
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: have no plug, well you get a good red light system,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: it'll penetrate through the skull, like four inches through your skull.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: In good systems. WHOA even lasers and they make laser
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: beds and all this other stuff.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have one of those red light beds. Those
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: looks like a tanning bed. I bought it up from
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Gary Brecast Company. It's very expensive, but it's pretty profound.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: I don't need reading glasses anymore. I used to have
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: these fucking things all over my house. I used to
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: need them to read my phone if I wanted to
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: read an email. I don't need them anymore. Wow, Yeah,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: it's nuts. And I don't bring them with me anymore.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: If I would go on the road before and I
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: had to do a trip for the UFC or whatever,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: and I didn't how I reading glasses, I'm like, fuck,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: now I'm gonna make everything big. I can't read anything,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: not anymore. No, my vision got better from red light therapy.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: I don't doubt it for sure. I also don't close
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: my eyes. I keep my eyes wide open, like, oh,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: you need goggles, like like you're fucking staring at the
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: the some nuclear bomb or something. Yeah, it's not. No,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: so it doesn't seem to bother my vision at all.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I've heard so many doctors and obviously none
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: of this is advice for anybody. I've heard so many
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: doctors say, throw the safety oigels in the trash, look
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: right into it if you want to. It's gonna help
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: your eyes. There's so many stories of people with macular
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: degeneration and glaucoma and eye conditions and stuff that's gotten
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: multitudes than it was.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Obviously, my story is anecdotal, but my vision was shifting
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: in a real bad way. I was using three those
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: three power ones, you know those cheap these cheap I
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: buy them off Amazon. But I used three, and I
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: started with one like one power, and then it got
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: to two power, and then I'll get to I'm like
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, I'm fucking going blinde. I can't see shit. Yeah,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: I don't need any anymore. Now. My vision's not perfect.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: It's not twenty twenty. It's not what it used to be.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: So when I read things, it's like maybe slightly blurry,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: and if I put reading glasses on, it look a
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: little better. But I don't need them anymore, and it
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: keeps getting better. I also take loutine and a bunch
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: of different supplements. I take this no affiliation. I don't
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: work with them or anything. But it's called pure Encapsulation's
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: macular support. They have a supplement for it. I take those.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: I've been taking those steadily at the same time I've
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: been doing the red light therapy and it works. At
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: least it works for me. You know, it worked for
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: Whitney Commings, same thing with her. Her vision got way better.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: She's very diligent about it. She does it every day.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: There's something there, Yeah, something there.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: Well, there's for sure something about staring at a fucking
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: phone all day. That's really bad for your eyes. Staring
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: at a phone, staring at a tablet, staring at a laptop,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: staring at a computer screen. It's not good for your
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: eyes period.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: There's no way.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: There's no way.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: When I look at my phone in bed at night,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: if I do, it hurts my eyes. Yeah, you know,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: like if it's dark in the room and I'm like,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: let me check my email real quick. I get to
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: my email, it's like it's like it's bright. If I
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: go to a website that's like a white website, like, ah,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: it hurts.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And did you know you can change your iPhone
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: Like if you go into accessibility, it's like color overlay.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: I forget the name of it, where you can make
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: the whole screen red.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: I have seen people do that. I have not done that.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: I've tried to do it on mine. It's tough, but
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: I did it on our two year old's iPad, and
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: nothing is addictive anymore. Like she won't sit there and
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: stare at it for more than three or four minutes anymore.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: Whoa yeah, and it's just like I didn't buy some
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: special device or you just go into accessibility and make
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: it red. And it used to be that she would
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: just sit there and hold the iPad. I'm an anti
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: electronics guy, so I wanted to try this experiment. And
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: the moment I turned it red, she didn't complain about
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: the red. She got used to it within fifteen minutes
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: and never complained again. Her iPad has never gone off
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: of the red mode, and that she doesn't get hooked
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: into shows anymore. WHOA. She'll watch it for a few
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: minutes and be like, Okay, that's great, put it down,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: and then go She'll go play Wow. So's it's worth
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: an experiment if anybody's got little small kids out there,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: or do it to yourself.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: It's amazing that they provide you with a tool to
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: escape the addiction that they've created.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: It's so true, man, because it's.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: A pretty intense addiction. I think they feel like, good luck.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: You know you're never getting off this hook. This hook
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: is sunk in deep and the barb is strong.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: It's so strong, and that it's the it's the production
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: tool of reality. Right now, if I want to alter reality,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: I've just got to engineer how you see it. And
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: that's that's the way that we see realities, what's on
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: my phone.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the problem that a lot of people
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: have with tech companies is that you're giving these people
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: that aren't particularly wise. They might be intelligent. They figured
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: out how to code these things and make these things
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: and market these things, but it's not like they're monks.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: They're not these like profound visionaries that are much more
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: educated enlightened in the general population. No, a lot of
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: them have autism, no empathy. They're out of their fucking minds,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: and they're optimizing the software continually to get people to
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: engage with it. They want you to.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the that's the even DA, that's the
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: bottom line. Revenue comes from ads and how many ads
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: can I show you?
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: And if I know, I know, if data, how much
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: data of yours can I sell?
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nuts, which is win. Like, I think it's
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: so important for people to be literate, extremely literate in
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: what's going on with your phone, what's going on with
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: your brain? And syops like the ship that we see
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: coming out of the news right now, I'm the guy
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: that trains siops in two days after I leave here,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: I'm going to Fort Bragg to train the United States
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: Army SIOPS Division. I'm the I'm the guy them man
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: in SYOPS.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: I just training them how they work and how to
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like how I'm the body language like people reading guy.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever seen our YouTube channel,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: the Behavior Panel, me and a couple.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: You got a great YouTube channel. It's awesome, really, thank you.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: Thanks, and uh, I have another one with three other
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: behavior profilers where we break down videos of people in
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: interrogation and stuff like that. And I think it's so
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: important to be literate in a lot of this stuff
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: and how does our brain work? How can I be compromised?
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: And so I created a tool and I gave it
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: to Jamie before we started the show that will give
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: you a one to one hundred score on how likely
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: something is a scion ah and is it an app
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: or is it like a PDF? And you can run
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: anything through it, and you can run it historically and
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: see what's socyebal and what's not. And it's kind of subjective,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: but at least you get a standardized score for everything
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: and you can see, like if you went to like
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: the invading Iraq. Initially, Okay, that's a good one. That
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: would score a ninety eight out of one hundred for
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: sion just on this tool here. So it kind of
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: goes in layers. So step one is like this pre ignition,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: Like I have societal stuff going on, there's moral panic
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: than operational. Are there drill happening that are kind of
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: similar to this military ramping up? The regulatory Obviously it's
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: pretty there, like bills getting pasted at two in the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: morning and five thousand pages right in alignment, so like
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: people suddenly aligning different news agencies and then authorities, celebrities
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: are starting to come up with the same messaging and
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, and then media like just kind of
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: flooding little slogans and stuff. So if that kind of
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: scores kind of high and you don't even need the
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: numbers right now, then we move to the next one.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: So has this happened before? The precursor anomalies, Like have
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: they done this before? Well, as a matter of fact,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: they gave people LSD against their will? It mk ulture,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: you know whatever, Like is there some precursor, right? And
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: then identical phrasing across unrelated outlets so we see something
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: on MSNBC and Fox saying the same kind of phrasing
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: or something that's kind of suspicious, and then introduced villains
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: that are prepackaged pretty obvious, injecting symbolism, and then the
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: men manufacture urgency like if this bill isn't passed in
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: the next seventy two hours, we're going to face a
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: national crisis and all this kind of stuff, And then
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: you could just kind of go down the go down
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: the walkway and it'll give you a predictive score of
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: how likely something is as a scio. And one of
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: the biggest things is if you don't want to like
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: this is a lot of crap to like to memorize,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: but are you seeing authority figures resonate with each other?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: And is nuance not being presented to you? And that's like,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: if I'm not seeing nuance, if I have a left
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: versus right issue and there's a prepackaged villain, that's a scio.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: If you just look at those couple of things, is
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: then nowadays we have a death of nuance where no
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: one's getting presented any nuance to anything. It's it's either
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: you're on this side, you're wearing this jersey or this jersey,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: which is really toxic to our whole entire country, the.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: Whole world, and it's accentuated by clips and these weird
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: little things.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and on the leg, well, let's say I'm on
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: the left when I log into social media whatever it is,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: they're going to show me the dumbest shithead morons on
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: the other side that they could possibly find. And the
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: same thing. If I'm on the right, they're going to
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: show me the biggest idiots. And the only goal is
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: being like me thinking, oh my god, these people are insane,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: and it's me thinking that's all of them. But like,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: if you go to Target right now and see somebody
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: that voted differently than you, you want the same shit.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: You want your kids to be healthy, you want safety,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: you want to pay less taxes, you want you want
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: the government less and less involved in your life. And
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: they're not all insane, but the goal is to make
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: you think all of the other side is insane. Right,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: That's the ultimate sin. So then at the end you
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: kind of get a one to one hundred score. And
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: I started a I bought a TV station. Did I
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: tell you about this?
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: I was gonna text you or I was gonna send
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: you an email about this. I bought a TV station.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: We started our own daily news show where we run
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: the day's events all the way through the SYOPS index
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: every single day, and we show here's how you're being presented,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: here's how you're being made to feel about this issue.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: Here's where a nuance has been taking out every single
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: thing that's like truly going on. Here's the bill that
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: got past that nobody's talking about that has a lot
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: to do with this. They're saying the strait of horror
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: moves is going to open. But here's what Brent Crude
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: is predicting oil price is at. So the insurance markets
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: has a lot more info than the news is going
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: to give you. So like try to give you every
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: single day. Here's how you're being made to feel. Here's
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: the actual news. Here's what they're left is going to say,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: here's the right's going to say. And here's where they're
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: killing nuance. Here's where you're being presented a binary choice.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: And I think I'm trying to like, I want to
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: make SYOPS irrelevant and what we have to do, what
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: are the steps we have to take to not really
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: in knock people from sciens, but just to make them
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: so fucking visible that it's just obvious. And yeah, they're
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: going to have to invent something else, and they will,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: but at least for a few years. People are really
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: wise to everything, like this is very obvious because like
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: all the things that we're up on that sheet right there,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: if you look at that a few times, it starts
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: to become irrelevant. And like, my goal is to make
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: people more expensive to influence.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: Hmmm, I think it's possible. I think if this gets
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: out there, the more people are aware and just can
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: piece it together, and the more that narrative starts getting
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: pushed and people start repeating it. Like, let's pay attention
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: to this. When you say you bought a TV channel.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: Or a TV station, what do you mean like an
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: actual station, a physical station with a news desk, and
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: where does it air? It's on YouTube right now.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: So where'd you buy this place? Where? What was it?
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: Just like ten minutes from house?
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: So was a former TV station that was like going
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: out of business.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we retrofitted everything upgraded, but it's.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: They're probably a fire sale and TV stations right now.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was we got a good deal.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: Nobody's watching TV and that's great.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we retrofitted it and like equalities up there with
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: like Fox or anybody else, Like we have a daily show.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: What's the daily show on YouTube called Station one?
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: Station one?
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, surprisingly, so that wouldn't taken. It's a new channel,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: yeahrand new channel we have, Like most of the subscribers
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: were my mom, I think for the first month. We're
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: growing now.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: So you just started it off and no fanfare, just
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: try to get feet on the ground.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to kick it off, and it's you know,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: I do it with my YouTube channel, which I've got
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: two million something subscribers on YouTube, and it's cool that
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: I can make these documentaries. But you know on YouTube,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: like you can't change it up on people, like there's
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: the algorithm punishes when you change. So we had to
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: start a new channel, like like you guys started JRI
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: clips mm hm, because you can't, like back in the day,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: the algorithm said you can't do short form and then
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: long form stuff and the algorithm kind of punishes you
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: for that, So you had to make a new channel
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: for it. Probably what Jamie did or the team did, I.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: Don't remember what your initial reason was. I think we
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: decided it would be good just to have a second
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: channel as well anyway, just in case, because there was
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: always the threat that YouTube was going to remove us.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, which I do think that if it wasn't
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: for Spotify, and it wasn't for the fact that I
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: was primarily on Spotify, I probably would have been removed
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: during the whole COVID thing.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we were regularly questioning a bunch of different
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: things that could have got you removed. We were regularly questioning,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: regularly questioning the COVID lab leak, we were regularly questioning
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: whether or not there was any danger to taking these vaccines,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: regularly questioning alter into medical care.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was maybe the biggest sigh up of
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: our lifetimes.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: For sure, And now now confirmed.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: That woke up normal people. That woke up average people,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because it was so obvious, woke up a lot.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: Some of them, like they just can't shake them. They're
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: on fifteen ambiens. Fucking yeah, They're just they're going to stay.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: I've got family members that are very trustful of government,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: and they're like, no chase if the if it was
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: going to go bad or if it was this thing,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: they would tell us. I was like, these are the
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: people who gave you the food pyramid, right and told
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: you to eat sixteen loves of bread every day.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's it's the idea that the government is
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: here to help you.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: It was like, that's the dumbest That was Reagan's best line.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that they're the five. Yeah, we're the government and
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: we're here to help. Yeah. Yeah, that's It's interesting how
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: people will believe in the government if it is can venient,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: but then if the other people are the government, then
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: it's one negative.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: It's like people are so ideologically captured, and that's why
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: people are completely unwilling to look at anything positive that
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: one of the other members, someone from the other side
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: proposes exactly, which is what I found really fascinating about
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: the response to the Trump thing. You know, that Trump
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: passing the Psychedelic Initiative and trying to push through ibagain
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: and the psilocybin and all these different methods that people
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: have used to overcome addiction and treat all these different
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: things that we talked about before. They didn't know what
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: to do with that. That was a weird one because
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: they tried to find all sorts of negatives. I saw
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: people trying to find negatives.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: Because it's him, yeah, which is so crazy.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: And there was also negatives because it was pushed by me,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: and the idler was Joe Rogan helping mental health policy
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: in America.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: Real, you're the green guy who takes horse pace though, yeah,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: and a dragon believer.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting time to be alive, you know,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: really is.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: So what emotionally for you? If I think if I
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: saw myself edited like that on CNN or something, I
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: feel like that would wreck me. I feel like that
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: would emotionally make me feel like shit for such a
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: long time. Were you just like over it?
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, it didn't make me feel like shit For a second,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: I started laughing. I thought it was hilarious, Okay. I
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: was also very aware that they weren't aware that my
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: show was way bigger than them. See, the thing about
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: mainstream media is that mainstream media had ruled for so
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: long that they had gotten delusional. They had been like
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: a champion that didn't think that he had a train anymore.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: And then some new contender came along that had been
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: you know, in the mountains of fucking Siberia.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: Someone came out of the blue and fuck them up,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: and they were they're so bad at this thing that
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: they think they run. And they also are very they're
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: very unaware of the actual playing field. So the actual
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: playing field that they exist in is so limited that
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: they cannot ever achieve the kind of acceptance or interaction
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: or trust that alternative media can. So there's too many
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: people involved. Too many people will most certainly move things
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: and water things down to like what you were talking
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: about before, like, here's what I want people to think.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: I believe right, which is most of what mainstream media produces.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: It's here's what I want people to think. I believe.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: You don't believe any of those people reading that teleprompter
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: because none of it seems sincere. Your mind registers. This
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: is a person reading something that's been written. It doesn't register.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: And then when you see them talking free form, like
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: on those panel shows on CNN, you're like, oh, you
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: guys are fucking retarded, Like this is you guys have
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: some of the dumbest opinions. You're so uninformed, you're so
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: ideologically captured. This is so not compelling. They've turned CNN
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: into a fucking group podcast. That's a lot of the
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: shows on CNN are bad podcasts with like shitty guests
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: who you know, they're no nuance and they're yelling over
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: each other exactly.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: It's a terrible form, no nuance whatsoever.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: It's also the problems that they have to break for commercials.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: And then there's the problem that the funding for those commercials,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: A giant chunk of it is pharmaceutical drug companies huge. Yeah.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: And and as Mike Ben's and CALLI means, and a
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: lot of people have talked about, they don't do that
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: because they want to sell drugs. They do that because
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: now the news will not criticize the pharmaceutical drug company
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: because the pharmaceutical drug companies responsible for enormous part of
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: their income.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I mean I wouldn't say definitively that that's happening,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: but I mean, if you're the CEO of the president,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: you know exactly where the money's coming from. And if
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: you get a phone call that says, hey, you know what,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: maybe not mention that.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or man maybe attacks someone who's got a narrative
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: and turn them green and do all that. But like
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: I said, for me, it was making me laugh. I
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: thought it was funny. I thought it was funny. It
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: was like, this is such a classic mistake, Like you
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: guys are completely out of touch.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just delusional, not understanding the backlash of that, of
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: just doing open like in your face, Like there was
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: no like, hey, look over here. It was just in
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: your face, scio.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: Not just that they're also you. You're making a green
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: version of a video that exists on Instagram first, so
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: it's already out there. You don't think the internet is
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: going to see that there's a difference in my skin
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: tone on CNN than on Instagram. On Instagram, I look
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: rosy and healthy. I wasn't lying. I was making a video.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: I was if I was really sick, I was outside.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: I was outside, How don't I? I was like, I
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: feel good. I felt shitty for a day. I was
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: being completely honest. Nor did I ever think that it
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: was going to be controversial to talk about ivermectin. I
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: had no idea, So ivermectin was not a controversial substance
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: before I talked about it in that one video.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: It was normal. You could get it at a pharmacy.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: Your doctor could prescribe it to you. Mine did. But
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: he also prescribed to me a ton of other stuff exactly.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so much other stuff like finn bendazold that's
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: now getting into the same category as Ivermectin was and
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: Mel Gibson talked about it here with you, Yes, that combo.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: And there's a study now that shows, I think it's
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: from twenty twenty two, that it's a cancer treatment, like
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: a new cancer treatment. Right, what the hell? I know
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: it's not patented, so it's it's a demon.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: It's a demon. And these news stations are all complicit.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: They're all in bed with the pharmaceutical drunk companies, who
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: again are responsible for an enormous part of their advertising
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: budget and that's where they make their money. And they
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: don't have a lot of people that believe them anymore.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: I think they lost a lot of their credibility during
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: the COVID epidemic.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: Who media, news media, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the government.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: And the government, but most people are aware like, oh,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: this is a siop. And then of course the file
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: straw was Elon purchasing Twitter and then the Twitter files.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: So when Matt Tayeb and she Michael Schellenberger and all
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: these different people got a hold of these files where
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: you could see the emails between the federal government and
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: these social media companies where they're asking people to censor
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: true stories, and you're like what. And then when Zuckerberg
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: was on my podcast and explained how the FBI had
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: come contacted him and told him that they wanted him
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: to censor stories and censor the Hunter Biden laptop.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: Story, terrifying.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: It's fucking crazy. This is this is literally Banana Republic shit.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: So have you heard of Project Mockingbird? Yes, Operation Mockingbird.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: I mean it's not new. So I mean somebody says like, oh,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: I can't believe the government is doing this and be like,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: wait a second, just go just look at history, right,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: and doctor Phil says, one time is a pattern, and
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: if you go back, there's way more than one time
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: this has happened in Operation Mockingbird. Walter Cronkite was a CIA, Yeah,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: legit CIA.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: So is Anderson Cooper? Is he Anderson Cooper worked for
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: the CIA when he was in college.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look that up, make sure that's true. I'm not
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: even nine percent true, not nine percent sure.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: Brother Julia Childs whoa did you know? She was here.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: She was in the CIA teaching people how to bake.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: I think she did that hand to hand combat course.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: Fucked people up at a rolling pin? Is the Anderson
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: Cooper think correct? I believe he worked for the CIA
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: in college. Anderson Cooper interned the CIA for two consecutive
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: summers while he was a political science major at Yale University.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: He did not pursue a career in intelligence wink wink
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: after graduating, later describing the agency's desk work at Langley
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: as less James Bond that I hoped it would be. Yeah, well,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's all less James Bond. It's it's more money.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: It's more money and influence and what are the people
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: in power want people to believe. But he's not the
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: only one, Walter Cronkite.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: There hundreds, hundreds, and yeah, so much. It was every network.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: And there's no direct there's no declassified document that says
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: here's what we told them to say, or here's how
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: compromise they were. But they were compromise completely and most
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: likely told exactly what to say or what stories to suppress.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: Does Mike Wallace have some sort of a connection.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know, see if Mike.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: Wallace had some sort of a connection with the CIA,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: But it's a bunch of prominent, respected, trusted news anchors, yes, yeah.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: All over the place. This is through the fifties, sixties,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: I think, in the beginning of the seventies until this
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: thing called it.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: Mike Wallace is famous for his probing investigative reporting on
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: CBS's sixty Minutes regarding the CIA, most notably a landmark
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three report Carl titled the CIA's Cocaine Exposed.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: So he's the opposite, so he worked to expose CIA stuff.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: The report exposed a covert CIA anti drug operation in
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: Venezuela that allowed hundreds of millions of dollars in cocaine
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: to be smuggled with Okay, this is iran contra affair. Yeah, yeah, okay,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: So that's the opposite.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: But with so many things like somebody's like, oh, I
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: can't believe COVID's doing this, be like, well, look look
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: at history again, like we dosed millions of people with
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: LSD against their consent, because there was millions I think, Well,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: there were experiments with aerosol forms of LSD that were
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: in cities and.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: What yeah, I didn't know about that, Jamie, aerosol LSD
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: and cities.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: Somewhere near like Vermont or Boston, somewhere up in like
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: the New England area. Dude, look kind of a psycho.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: Do you have to be to like get a crop
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: to us or plane and fill up a tag of
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: LSD and just spray it on kids?
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't, I don't get it. And then
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: you go back to when we dosed I don't know,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many African Americans with syphilis or
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: we like grouped them together that they had syphilis and
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: didn't treat them and gave them fake treatments and stuff.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: US government has never openly sprayed LSD from their air
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: over entire cities. However, during the Cold War, intelligence agencies
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: in the military did conduct covert aerosol and mind control
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: experiments on the public. What does that mean? It means
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: you did it.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not from a plane, though most likely they were like.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: They probably had a fan and a bucket. Yeah. CIA
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: is notorious. Project mk Ultra sought to weaponize LSD and
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: use it for mind control. CIA operators were sent to
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: San Francisco to spray the air with LSD twenty five
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: at an unwitting party of guests. Oh I did hear
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: about this? The result the agency ultimately abandoned the specific
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: aerosol tests at the last minute because the summer weather
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: was too hot to keep the windows closed and their
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: specialized aerosol device malfunctioned.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: There we go. Number two. The Army sprayed thousands of
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: unsuspecting Americans with aerosolized chemicals. Yeah.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: Military released a fine powder called zinc cadman sulfide over
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: thirty three rural and urban rather than rural areas. Scroll
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: up a little bit, please, Yeah the targeted cities. Affected
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: cities included Saint Louis, Minneapolis, Winnipeg, Corpus Christi, and Fort Wayne.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: Saint Louis was deliberately chosen because of its population density
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: and the terrain were similar to the Soviet targets like Moscow.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: I was just looking up something else. Did you know
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: about this? Why the fuck did Dan Rather and Donald
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: Rumsfell buy a New Mexico New Mexico ranch together in
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one. That's the same year he was promoted
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: the news anchor at CBS Evening News.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: It's also like right next door to the Epstein ranch
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: in New Mexico. Right, and Epstein famously got that to
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: be close to Los Alimals, right, so he could lure
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: those scientists over with pussy unbelievable.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, like you go back through history,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: this is everybody's like, Oh, the COVID was crazy.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: It's not new, it's just we hadn't experienced it so
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: blatantly before because they had never tried something like that
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: during the eight of social media.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they used a playbook that relied on putting
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: a letter in the mail or sending a telegram.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They used a playbook also that required having control
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: over the narratives that were being pushed out by the media,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: and the media had lost its luster, lost its impact
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: on people. At the same time, the rise of podcasts
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: had happened kind of under the radar, and they didn't
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: recognize it. They missed it. They just overestimated their position.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And during COVID you had more viewers than seeing it.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: Not only that, when they turned me green and all
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: that cancelationship, I gained two million followers on Spotify in
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: a month.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: People were just like, what is going on that everybody's
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: trying to cancel this guy, like what is he doing?
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: And then they'd listen and go, oh, it's just a
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: show where they talk to people. What are they trying
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: to hide from us? And then you have guys on
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: like doctor Peter McCullough and Robert Malone and all these
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: different people that are Peter McCullough is the most published
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: doctor in history, in human history in his particular field
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: of study, and they were trying to make him out
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: to be a quack. And then you see what they
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: did with Jay Boticharia and all these different people.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: And one of those guys was the inventor of mRNA.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: Robert Malone. He has nine patents on the creation of
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: mRNA technology.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: And he should never be out there telling people that
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: it might not be safe.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: Not only that he took it and had a fucking serious,
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: horrible reaction where he almost died, really yeah, which is
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: what prompted him to try to figure out what the
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: fuck is going on because he was assured by everyone
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: that had stayed local, it's not gonna cause massive inflammation
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: and you know, myocarditis and all these different things that
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: it eventually was absolutely causing, you know. And then there's
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: you know, they're trying to hide now the impact that
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: it's had on children. You know, the impact that it's
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: had on children that took it, and how what giant
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: percentage of them that died after taking it died within
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: days of the injection. And they're trying to ignore the signal.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: And there's so many gaslighters all over Twitter. There's people
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: that are paid to gaslight on Twitter. That's a fact.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: There's pharmaceutical drug companies just like a lot of other companies,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: will pay people to post, they'll pay people to attack,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: They'll pay people to be the voice of authority and reason,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: so you can assure all the brainwash boomers that they're
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: right all along and everything's fine.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you just look at basic manipulation and
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: mind control, the number one fear of human beings is
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: supposedly public speaking, right, But that's not it. It's the
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: judgment that might come from public speaking. It's not the
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: being on stage right. It's like, is somebody going to
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: judge me? Am? I going to get ostracized. So the
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: way that they control a lot of this and gaslight
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: people is to use the fear of social punishment and
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: social enforcement. And if I can get one celebrity to
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: go out there and call these people a name, and
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: just give them a name as if it's a group
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: of people, you know, like anti vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, dragon believer,
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: that kind of thing. We give it a name, and
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: that makes it easier for other people to socially enforce.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: And it comes from an authority figure. So you get
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: the tribe involved, and all you got to do is
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: is fuck up a few people like Robert Malone and
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: they're like, hey, I've got I can take this guy down.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 3: What do you think I'm gonna do to you? Yea?
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: And you just get that fear out there and that's
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: all you need to do, and you kind of gaslight
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: people because now I'm scared enough, but I won't say
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 3: I'm scared. I'll say now I'd rather not just say
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: my opinion. So now my identity gets tied into it.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: Now it's part of who I am. I'm just not
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: going to say anything, and it gets normalized like the
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: absolute Just let me mute myself and tape my mouth
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: shut so I don't get punished.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: And then there's a bunch of people that attack and
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: do the work for the man because they don't want
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: to be lumped in with the other side. So they'll
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: go on social media and call the anti vaxxers, you know,
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: play grats and all these different things. Yeah, and also
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: say the wildest shit, like their children should be taken
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: from them, they should be locked up, isolated from society.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: And this is something called category warfare. Have you ever
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: heard of this?
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: I know the expression.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: This guy I can't remember his name, he wrote a
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: book called Women, Fire and Dangerous Things. It was the
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: first language categories that we had for language was Women,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: Fire and Dangerous Stuff. I think his name was Lacan,
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: George Laken or Lakeough. But if I frame something using
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: a category, I can change what the allowed behavior is.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: So if I say that me and this other person
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: are having a disagreement, your brain automatically has a list
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: of what a disagreement is and what's excepted. But if
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: I say we're having a fight, now, there's new stuff
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: on the table. And all I did was change how
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: something is defined in your brain. And we don't consciously
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: process that. Our brain is getting permission to do things
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: because of a category. But if I say I've been
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 3: at war with these people for a long time. Now
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: a war is way different. Or if I say, like
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: I disagree with Rogan, that's one thing. But if I
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: say Rogan is a threat, what do we do to
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: something that's a threat? Right? We have to neutralize a threat.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: So just small words like that change what our brain
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: says is permissible in that moment. And that is really
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: what's going on here. So it's actually two layers. If
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: I can go into this for a sexual war, number
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: one is this category. Let me just get a category
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: out there to make your brain think one thing is permissible.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: The second thing is I create the idea in such
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: a way that you get to feel morally superior for
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 3: adopting it, and you don't have to have any new
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: morals or anything else. Just have to adopt this idea
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: and you get to feel better than other people and
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: that's it. So it changed the category. It means like
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: I can do something differently. So in a legal argument,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: if somebody says we're at war with the other side,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: this is my opponent instead of the other person. What
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: do we do with an opponent? We have to take
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: them down. It's a fight. There's a winner, there's a loser.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: There's always assumed competition there. So that is one of
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: the biggest things that I hope everybody can look out
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 3: for as the influence SCIOs expert. And I'm not immune
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 3: to any of this stuff. I buy stupid shit on
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: off of an Instagram ad as much as the next person.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 3: But it's important to know when it's when something is
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 3: clearly presented to you and it's easy to feel emotional
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: about it. Your being manipulated something clearly presented and it's
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 3: just like, here's this one thing and it's really clean
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 3: and it's easy to get pissed off about, or it's
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: easy to feel comfortable about or whatever it is. If
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: if the emotional thing is easy without having to dig
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 3: into it, you're being manipulated.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: And that's a giant percentage of what most people consume.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 3: It's yeah, all day long. Yeah, and it's it's compounding.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 3: So if I just consume a little bit, that's that's
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: one thing. But now I get a little bit more,
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 3: a little bit more, a little bit further into this
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: rabbit hole and we get into these obviously everyone says
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 3: this online, but you get into these echo chamber of
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 3: social media, all of a sudden, you can you can
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: find your people anywhere you can. You can connect with
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: your people. If you like to make a knitted yarn
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 3: vest for hamsters, you can find other people that do
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: shit like that. So back in the day, if you
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: had a bad idea, you couldn't find a lot of
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 3: other people that agreed with you. And now it's easier
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: to find people to agree with you when you have
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 3: a shitty idea. So there's a niche. There's a whole
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: separate niche. And on top, while you're they're getting told
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 3: that your ideas are relevant and normal, they're not abnormal.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 3: Because there's so many other people, it normalizes bad ideas.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: The second part of that is I'm with all these people,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: but then I go back to normal social media and
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 3: all I get told all day is I'm right about
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 3: those people. I'm right about those people. I'm right about
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 3: those people, And it's just it is so sick, And
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 3: which goes back to what we were first talking about,
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 3: how performative of our world is, and like all of
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 3: us conceal the shame so much that we can't ever
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 3: be seen by anybody, Like we'll go to the grave
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 3: and feel like my wife has never even seen who
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: I truly am you know.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: And the other thing is nuts is people have this
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: complete inability to admit when they're wrong or change course.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: They have connected themselves, they've connected their whole being to
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: whatever their thoughts are, whatever this thing that they've agreed
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: is real, and once they've defended it, they never want
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: to go back and objectively look at it and go,
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, Oh I believe this and that's not
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: the case. Oh this is the case. Oh I'm wrong.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I gotta course correct. No. They dig in
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: and they try to find other echo chambers that agree
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: with their initial position and other people that this, And
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: there's plenty of people that will provide those services for you.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of people if you want to live in
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: your echo chamber, plenty of people, real and digital that
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: will provide you this escape from your ability to learn
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: and grow.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: And a sycophantic AI will do will help you.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're the best. They'll tell you you're wonderful, darling,
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: you're doing the best. I always tell people you're not
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: your ideas, and it's one of the most important things
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: that I've ever learned. You cannot be married to your ideas.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: Your ideas are just ideas, and as soon as you
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: defend them, and as soon as you connect yourself to them,
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: and as soon as you connect your identity to them,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: you're in a fucking trap. You're in a real trap,
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: and it's very hard to get out without admitting defeat.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: Most people don't want to admit defeat. And that's how
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: they look at it. They look at it it's like a
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: battle for their existential existence. Their existence is completely tied
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: into their belief system.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we call that cognitive dissonance. Right, So
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: I either have to say I'm a dumbass or those
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: other people are stupid. Right, So, like when Biden won
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 3: the election, it was the same thing. People on the
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 3: right either had to admit, wow, I'm stupid and I
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: underestimated what our country's doing, or the other people are
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: just idiots and they don't know what's going on. Same
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: thing happened when Trump got elected. Either like the whole
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: country is stupid, or I have to admit that I
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: had I didn't know what was going on and I'm
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 3: out of touch a little bit, and maybe there's something
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 3: good and I'll just I'll just say they're all stupid.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: It's we're protecting our identities. So it's ingrained into us.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: It's the ego thing. I don't want to be wrong,
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 3: and if I am wrong, and I'm wrong in public,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: then I risk ostracism again. So it's like it's getting
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 3: kicked out of the tribe again. It's going back to
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: the same fear.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: And people love to do that too. They love to
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: attack people if they're wrong, love to destroy people and
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: ruin all credibility that they've ever had. That you could
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: have been a public figure for ten years putting out
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: great information, you fuck one thing up. People want to
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: bandon you forever, especially if you don't admit it.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: Especially, Oh, you're running for office. What about that you
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 3: took a nude when you were nineteen? You took a
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: naked photo?
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: And that goes back to everyone's pretending like they're like
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: everyone else has got their shit figured out, and that's
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: why everyone thinks everybody's got to figure it out, and
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: I'm pretending I'm the one hiding everything. Everyone's got that shit.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: Everyone who thinks like, oh, they're going to find out
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: my skills. Everybody he's got skeletons in their glasses. Everybody's
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: got stuff like that, and it's we're in the age
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 3: we're comparing ourselves to highlight reels. And you know, doctor
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 3: Phil talks about this all the time, and but we
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 3: have to realize that there is people want you to
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: be human, and we don't enjoy fake shit. This is
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 3: why people are attracted to your podcast. This is why
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 3: stuff that's real is trending so much more now. Like
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 3: we're attracted to things that are human and flawed. That's
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: why we buy shit that says handmade on it. We
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 3: don't buy like, oh, machine made. No one celebrates that, right.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: We like the humanness of things. And even when I
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: say there's a loneliness epidemic going on right now, everyone
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 3: will nod their head and no one will raise their hand.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: Everyone will say, oh, yeah, it's affecting all those people,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 3: but no one will say it's affecting me. But they'll
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: all nod alone. I think we're getting to a place
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: where maybe we're coming out of that. Just maybe it's me,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: maybe it's my echo chamber, but I feel like people
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: are waking up. I feel like more people, not just
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 3: through COVID, but just now just the way the world is.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: They're like, well, you know, what this doesn't really feel
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: It doesn't really. It feels weird for me to hate
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: and feel hatred towards one of my neighbors who didn't
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: vote like I did. That feels weird, Yeah, just to
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: hate someone for that reason. I think people are waking
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 3: up that maybe the plan is going too fast, Maybe
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: they're taking it too quickly. They're trying to go through
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 3: all these steps too fast. It's what it feels like
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: Well, Also, I don't think they're competent. I don't think
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: they're good at it, and that's part of the problem.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: Good at what.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: Good at projecting narratives. I don't think the people that
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: are necessarily in charge of propaganda, at least people at
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: a government level, I don't think they're particularly slick. No,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: and that's part of the problem with all this.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 3: It's like when you're at a middle school sleepover and
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: the dad comes in trying to be cool, like, hey, kids,
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: what are you guys doing? That's the government trying to
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: run this ship. This is when you get Syringes dancing
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: on stage on a late night TV sh right that
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: was nuts.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also a person who seems completely insincere, you know, Yeah,
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: that that version of him. It's weird because the version
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: of him that was on the Daily Show was awesome,
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: Like it was this caricature and irreverent.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was raw.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you realize, oh, that was just really good writers.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they have really good writers.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: They created a fun Republican character that was a buffoon,
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: but like a hilarious buffoon.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: And then he went and did a TV show and
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, the real you was weird.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: But I think our saving grace is what you're talking
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: about is that they suck at this. Like when your
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: teacher announces there's going to be a pizza party and
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: expects everybody to be super freaking out about it, like, yeah,
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: it's pizza. But the government's like, hey, guess what we
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 3: got for you. Yeah, we got this new data coming out,
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: this new data, and the syops are working less because
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: of the spread of information. So people say, oh, social
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: media is bad, you shouldn't be on social media. Well,
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: some of that is what's exposing this stuff. Yes, and
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: we have people out there that are like you and
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not kissing your ass here, but you're willing to
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: say shit that sounds preposterous at the beginning of something
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 3: and just make an observation that's real and you're willing
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: to Just the way that I phrased this in a
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: lot of our training at my training is called NCI.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: The way that we phrase this is like the first
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: ingredient of confidence is the willingness to receive social injury.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: And we need more of that. We need more people
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: willing to receive social injury.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: Well, the position that I was in during the COVID
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: thing was very unique, So it was almost easy for
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: me because I had already I'd gotten such a head starter,
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: was so far ahead of them. They didn't realize that
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: my ability to say, wait, this, this doesn't make any sense,
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: Like none of this makes any sense. And also why
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: am I green? And also why are you guys lying?
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: Why are you lying about all sorts of different things?
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: Why A you're measuring traponin levels where you're talking about
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: milecarditis and not the actual scans of people's hearts. When
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: you realize, like young people are getting legitimately fucked up
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: from this vaccine, not all of them, but some of them,
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: why aren't you looking at that? How come you guys
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: aren't looking at vaccine injuries? It seems like a significant
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: thing that people are talking about. You got soccer players
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: dropping dead in the middle of the field, and no
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: one's bringing that up. You're trying to gaslight us into
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: thinking that that doesn't make any sense. I was in
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: a unique position to be able to do that because
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: I had like almost like quietly snuck up to this
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: and had this large audience that they weren't aware of.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: So when it happened, it was just it was just
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: like I couldn't do anything other than what I did.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: I had to just keep doing it the way I
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: did it, and it was the blowback was crazy. They
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: tried to crush my sponsors, they organized campaigns, there was
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: packs involved. It was there was really oh yeah, oh yeah,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: thank god I was on Spotify and thank god Spotify
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: is not an American company. And also it helped that
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 2: I was number one in like ninety countries and not
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: number ninety in one country. You know that helped.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that helped a lot.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: The size of it was, it was like it was
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: so big that as big as they were, they're like,
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: oh like and then there's the streisand thing like you
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: try to silence something thing you're you're just gonna make
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: it bigger. I went to say, if they kicked me
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: off of Spotify and I had to go to Rumble,
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: it would have just blown Rumble stock up, and it
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: would have it would have helped everybody.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know that there was that much shit
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: going on over life.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: I can't even talk about it. But there was presidents
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: involved and former presidents involved that were contacting Spotify. Oh yeah,
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, trying to get me removed for vaccine misinformation. Yeah,
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: harrying out to be right, all of it. Not a
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: single fucking apologize.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 3: Interviewing the dude that invented nah and the most published
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 3: doctor in his field.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: Not a single apologize, not a single apology from anybody,
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: not a single retraction, not a single you know, Mia Koppa,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: not a single We were wrong, and you know, I
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: lost a lost sponsors, I lost a lot of a
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: lot during that note those days, it was interesting. It
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: was there was a there was a time where it
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: was working.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, I didn't know there was that much coordination.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't talk about it too much because
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: it's it's pretty it's pretty deep. It was nuts, but
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: it didn't work right. But they tried and they tried
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: it out. They spent a lot of money, a lot
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: of money. It wasn't a small amount of money. It
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: wasn't a small amount of people. It was a lot
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: of people and a lot of money.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 3: Good lord.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that part was spooky, but the turning my face
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: green was hilarious. That didn't bother me at all. It's
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: also I'm a comedian, you know what I mean, Like,
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: I'm a shit talker. Like that's what I do. If
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: you talk shit to me, it's like, you're not gonna
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: hurt my feelings that much. It's like I'm used to it.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: It's normal. It's a part of the game that I play,
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: so you know, especially if you're doing it and there's
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: a video that's the real video that's available for anybody
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: that goes on my Instagram page, Like fucking retards, like
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: crazy stupid checker move. It's so dumb.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: And I think that what we see as authority hasn't
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: changed in two hundred thousand years. But I think that
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 3: what we consider to be social authority has been modified,
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 3: just kind of in the human side of things. Yeah,
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 3: Like it used to be, Oh, this guy's got a
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 3: suit and tie on. Now all these CEOs are wearing
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 3: a hoodie or a T shirt or something like. The
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 3: visual definition of authorities changed, and the social definition of
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: authorities started to change. Now where it used to be
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: mainstream news and now we're moving into like a post
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 3: news era of something. I don't know what the next time,
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 3: well thing's going to be.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: I mean what Elon always says, you are the news
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: now and the rise of independent journalists and what you have,
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: what you're selling, what is your currency is authenticity and honesty,
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: as long as you don't from that, as long as
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: people don't find out Alway's secretly getting all this money
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: from Apex, He's secretly getting all this money from Russia,
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: secretly getting all this money. And you know, oh, there's
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: meetings where they've had where they've told people what narratives
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: to push. And then you see people on Twitter that
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: are you know, supposedly new influencers, and then you see
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: them almost cut and paste the exact same message over
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: and over again. And then you find out, oh, there's
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: actual campaigns where you're paid large sums of money if
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: you have a large following, large sums of money, like
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: significant amount of money to be a person who pushes
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: narratives online. That's your job. You are literally a paid propagandist.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: And once people find that out, you're going to lose
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of your people that are paying attention to
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: that take you seriously. But there's gonna be enough that
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: don't know about it, that just see the tweet and like,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: oh my god, is that true? Yeah, like, oh my god,
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: that's crazy enough casuals where you're going to get some traction,
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: but you have sacrificed the one thing that you need
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: to survive in this environment, and that's authenticity and honesty.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: If you don't have those two things, you're fucked Because
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: when the mind reading software gets uploaded and everybody knows
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: you and me would be all right, they would probably
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: look in some of our brains and go, dude, you're
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: fucked up. But you're fucked up too. Everybody's fucked up.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: We're all fucked up. It's like, how do you behave?
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: What do you do? How do you manage your fucked
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: up at nis? What do you do? What do you
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: do with your time? What do you do with your life?
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: We're gonna know, We're gonna know, and we're gonna know
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of people online are just demons. They're just demons,
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: like in the real sense of the term. Like you
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: if you thought of what if you had a demon,
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: and if you were a demon, if actual demons were real,
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: what would they be doing. What would they be doing? Well,
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: they would most certainly be trying to ruin people's lives.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: They would most certainly be trying to spread hate, spread misinformation,
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: confuse people. Can compare yourself to other people, Oh yeah,
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: destroy you psychologically, get you to take medications that you
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: don't need, make you think that you're not enough. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: make you think you're not enough, take money to and
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: sacrifice other people's health and safety just for whatever financial
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: compensation you've got. You've been given to push a narrative.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: It's demonic and it's separation. All of that is like
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: you are separate from these people. They don't matter, You
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: shouldn't care about them. You're separate. There are different things.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: You're not connected, you're not the same thing.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: And that's how people justify bombings. Yeah, you know, that's
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: how people justify war. That's how people justify all sorts
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: of horrific behavior that human beings still engage in.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: What did George Carlin say, I think he said conspiracy
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: is not required when interests all aligne.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: Right, that's a great quote.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great quote. Had so many it's a
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 3: big fucking club.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: And you're not at it, and you're not so many bangers.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: But there's a few people that are in the club.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: That's what's interesting. You know, there's a few people to
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: get in that fucking club, and you know, and then
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: also in their opinions change. Yeah, well then they soften
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: up on stanzas or they get killed on a campus.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 3: Have you had somebody on your show that you thought
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: was compromise? Oh yeah, you have to name names.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: But yeh yeah, yeah, one hundred I've had people on
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: my show that I guarantee are here to try to
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: push a narrative. Yeah, one hundred percent, no doubt, and
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: my own you know, it's I think in some cases
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: it's obvious, and my job is to just keep them
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: talking and let the internet do its job.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 3: Can I teach you a tactic right now? Sure that
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: will be good for these people? Yeah, all right, how
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 3: much time do we have time?
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: All right? So this is a CIA method called elicitation,
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 3: and it was invented by this guy John Nolan. And
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 3: so the basic premise is you're gonna get more. The
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 3: more sensitive information you need out of a person, the
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 3: less questions you should be asking. So here's how it works.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: You can get sensitive information out of people better with
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: statements than questions. So there's a few different types of
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 3: these statements. So the first one is called a provocative statement,
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 3: and the provocative statement is just making a commentary on
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: what somebody said. So let's say I just went through
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: X and Y and Z, and you're like, so, so basically,
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: and then you kind of recap what I said and
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: so no question, and then I'll kind of yeah, and
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: so I'll kind of I'll keep giving you a little
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 3: bit more information. The second is triggering a need to
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: correct the record. So let's say you and I are
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 3: in a grocery store and I say, Joe, let's say
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 3: you don't get recognized. Let's say go over there. I
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: want you to within sixty seconds, I want you to
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 3: find out how much the girl that's stocking the shelf
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 3: over there makes per hour. So you might go over
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 3: there and go, hey, how much do you make an hour?
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 3: But instantly you're weird and that feels like an interrogation, right,
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 3: But if you went over there and you said, hey,
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: I just read this article everybody that works at Whole
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 3: Food's got bumped up to twenty six dollars an hour.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 3: That's fantastic, congratulations, And she's like, what, we only make
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 3: twenty two And now she doesn't feel interrogated. And the
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 3: answer came from correcting the record. Does that make sense?
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 3: So now you're not a weirdo who's asking how much
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: she makes. So now you got the sensitive information and
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: it felt like it was just an flowing conversation. So
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: the third is disbelief. So somebody says something and you
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 3: don't get Jamie to pull up anything, but the disbelief
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 3: is like they say, oh, and I've even worked with
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 3: X and Y and zero, I've done this one thing
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 3: and you're like what, there is no way. That just
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: sounds impossible. And then they're like no, no, and I know,
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 3: keep going because there wasn't a question. So imagine if
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 3: someone started telling you something sensitive and you're like, yeah,
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: tell me more, tell me more about that. It seems
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 3: like you're kind of wanting to pull things out. So
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 3: the more that you can use statements, the more they're
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 3: just going to keep feeling completely comfortable giving you stuff.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: What's interesting is I don't know those methods, but I
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 2: do all three of those.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 3: You do a lot of that stuff.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: I just wanted you to be able to consciously grab
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 3: onto it.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: I just do it instinctively. Yeah, when I do it,
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 2: but I have many times I smell bullshit. My instinct
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: is going hold on. So what you're saying is and
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: you just give a touch of incredulity, just a little
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: bit of a little bit of skepticism, yeah, and then
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: allow them to kind of like expand on it and
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: go Okay. So you're saying that this all right? So
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: are you sure that that's the case, because a lot
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: of people think this no, no, no, And I do
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: it sort of naturally, yeah, because the most important thing
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: is to listen as much as possible and keep them
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: talking and don't interrupt too much. But sometimes you have to.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you have to go like you're pushing a hold on.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: This is horseshit, Like this is like I'm gonna get
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: grilled for this online if I don't like stop this
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: right dead in its tracks. Because I know and you
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: know that you're lying, yeah, so let's and then but
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 2: you also got to like keep them on the hook,
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: so like you like you don't want to submit them yet,
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: you gotta.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 4: Like, oh, look you got out of the arm bar crazy,
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 4: and a couple of those you make them correct you
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 4: and you also say like, well that had to be
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 4: challenging or that sounds fascinating, and just those tiny little
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 4: comments that just kind of keep them pulling along.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 3: The Russians did this to America during the Cold War.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 3: A submarine would pull into Singapore or Thailand or something,
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 3: and one of the some KGB guy would go up,
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 3: there's some nineteen year old sailor at a bar and
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 3: say like, well, we just Russia already has all these
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 3: specs and it's amazing that Russian submarines are faster than
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 3: US submarines because our propellers are nineteen feet wide and
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 3: they says like, yeah, ours are twenty one. Like just
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: correcting the record, just a tiny little thing, correcting the record.
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 3: And some nineteen year old kid gives away top secret
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: information in thirty five seconds.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 3: So that's where this stuff came about. And when you're
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 3: like a if you work in the nuclear field, you
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 3: have a top secret clearance. You have to go through
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 3: anti elicitation training before you leave the country and go
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 3: spend time with some foreign national company.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: I don't I hope so.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know what, the number one thing in
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 3: the first day of counterintelligence school, the first thing they
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 3: say is if you're a four and she's a ten
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 3: and she's interested in you, she's a spy.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: That is the most primal and effect of all tactics
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: is hot women. It is. And also what we see
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: with James O'Keefe chatty gay guys, you see a lot
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: of like hot guys. Yes, yeah, you get chatty gay
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: guys give up a lot of data. Yeah, they give
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: up a lot of fucking information.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: Way more than I would ever think.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, it seems like the chatty gay guys are worse
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: even than the guys that are trying to impress the women.
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder how far they have to go. I
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: wonder how many guys they have to sleep with. I
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: don't want to know, I wonder. I mean, for sure
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: there's been a straight guy or two unless they recruit
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: gay guys for the job, you know, because gay guys
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: wouldn't feel nearly as bad for having sex with another
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: gay guy to get information out of him. I think
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: that a woman would a woman would feel like a whore.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 2: You know, a man who fucks some other guy that
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: you probably fuck anyway, it's probably no big deal. You know,
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 2: guys will feel as bad about that.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 3: And have you read Red Queen. No, it's about biological behavior.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 3: It talks about like adultery and females occurs during ovulation
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 3: most of the time, and really fascinating stuff in there.
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 3: But one of them was that women are are reluctant
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 3: about sexual activity because they face the risk of raising
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 3: a child alone. Uh. And it's not a conscious thing,
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 3: but like there's some biological driver that says, if I
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 3: am not careful here, I'm going to be stuck with
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 3: this child alone. And if I and two hundred thousand
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: years ago, if you're if someone abandons you and you're
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: pregnant and then you're raising a child in your own,
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: you're kind of off the market for and no one's
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: bringing you meat, no one's bringing you, you know, fish
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 3: out of the river and all this kind of stuff.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 3: So I thought that was interesting, and that may be
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: one of the reasons that it's It might be easier
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 3: for dudes to go do something like that.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'd have to ask James. It's got to
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: be as well. It's also I think, especially in politics,
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: there's a large amount of in the closet gay guys
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: that are in all sorts of levels of politics, all
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 2: sorts of levels of government.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no doubt. I think it's been that
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 3: way since Rome though.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, well it's a very peculiar kind of
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: person in the first place that wants to control all
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: the other people.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know, the difference between today and Rome
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 3: is the concealment of the shame about it, and I
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 3: think most people don't know the difference between shame and guilt.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 3: I think that shame is a destructive force. There's nothing
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 3: good about it, there's nothing positive about it. Guilt is
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 3: focused on understanding the behavior, and shame is focused on
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 3: the person, the identity of the person who did it.
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 3: And there's nothing productive that Beating the shit out of
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 3: yourself emotionally does not make the other person who you've
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 3: harmed any better, It doesn't make the world any better.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 3: It's a down. I made a video on my YouTube
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 3: channel basically giving a review and a tutorial of Planet
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 3: Earth as if it was a video game, and like,
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 3: what's that video called. I think it's called Earth is
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 3: a game. Ooh, So it's basically like a twenty minute
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 3: like I'm without breaking character, like I'm giving a review.
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 3: I'm actually in the game right now and I'm making
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 3: a tutorial and a review of this video game that
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 3: we call Earth. And one of the things I said
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 3: in the video is like the developers don't tell you,
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 3: like what the main goals are of the game, Like
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 3: how do I get on the leaderboard? What's the way that?
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 3: How do you win? And we went through like ten
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 3: different metrics, but at the end of the day, I
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 3: think what gets you on the leaderboard is were you
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 3: an upward force on most people's lives that you encountered?
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 3: Did you leave people better than you found them? And
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 3: that's about it. That's about fucking it.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 3: It's like, am I a downward force on other people?
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 3: Am I pushing people down constantly? Or am I just
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 3: doing something else? And you remember, like the moment you
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 3: launch in the DMT, You're like, oh my god, I
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 3: was worried about taxes. I'm seventeen black holes away and
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 3: I was worried about my I nine form or something.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 3: I thought that was such a big deal. And it's
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 3: the same thing that people like I think, if you
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 3: want to learn the number one and this is my rambling,
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 3: but the number one lesson I think most people could
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 3: learn is from people that are dying, people on their deathbed.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 3: There's no better book you could read about how to
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 3: master this game, about how to get good at Earth
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 3: is reading the regrets of dying people, because there's so
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 3: much clarity at these moments where you know you're going
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 3: to die, like, oh my god, I thought all this shit.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: I thought that lexus. I thought I had to get
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: the lexus. I had to impress everybody at the country
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  Speaker 3: club who didn't give a shit about me, and I
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  Speaker 3: didn't spend time with my ran kids. I didn't spend
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  Speaker 3: time with my kids. Everything gets so crystal clear in
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  Speaker 3: those moments that I think those are the best books
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  Speaker 3: in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Like you read.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of nurses that work in
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  Speaker 3: hospice that write and like collect a lot of these things,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just so much perspective on what we think
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  Speaker 3: is so important. And then at that moment, like oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, I can't believe I prioritize all that shit.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think this is the perfect way to end this. Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 2: that was awesome, Thank you very much. Okay, so Station
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  Speaker 2: one is that what it is? Channel one or Station one?
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  Speaker 2: Station one, Station one on YouTube and then your show
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  Speaker 2: is what's the channel or Chase.
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  Speaker 3: Hughes on YouTube, Chase Hughes and Station one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much. Man, really appreciate that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: It's really really good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, by everybody.
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  Speaker 3: MM