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February 4 Court Hearings: Judge Boyd, Simpson, Middleton + More | TCF Podcast #224 · The Courtroom Files

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Good morning everybody. Happy Wednesday.
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Welcome to the courtroom files live.
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It's good to have you all here. Let's start our day with
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judgment Nalley. All right, this is a drunk
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driving OWI. Does she stand mute and wait for
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more reading? All right I'm entering a not
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guilty, plea for is this a first offense?
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Yes, Ron allegedly. What was the IBA, she is 20.
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Just turned 24, right? Correct.
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Right, I'm an international people, I'm signing your word
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for discovery. We'll set a pre-trial date.
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I wanted to give you personal bonds and dollars.
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She cannot leave the state without the consent of the court
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or violate a law, and he must appear in court and it's
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directed. I'm going to not purchase,
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Professor, consume alcohol. Or illegal drugs.
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Okay, I do want you going to 8:00 a.m. at least one time per
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week. You have to go in person.
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We're going to hang a form. Every time you go you have to
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have the form signed and every time you come to court, you have
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to bring that form with you understand all that.
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Hi. So what do you have for me?
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Heather. It'll be February 18th at 9:30.
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They're good with you February. 18th.
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You said it what? Time 9:30 9:30.
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Okay, that's we'll do thank you so much and you can hear it.
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I'm gonna give her the forms. And just bear with me.
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Once we're gonna give her a copy of the bond sheet.
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And whoa. Mutilated copy.
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He's? There you go.
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Me and you can approach and working with that and he was a
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discovery Waters. I signed that.
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Thank you. I did sign that and you can go
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down the hall and I'll give you a copy of it.
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Okay, thank you so much. One other thing on just double,
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check something. Yeah, we're all set.
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Thank you so much time. Have a good day?
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Thanks. All right.
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Audrey and Cousino 5. F 2, 4, 5, 2, 2 5.
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Good morning, Mr. Osmond, good morning around Java on behalf of
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all day to you. Your name ma'am.
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Audrey is no. All right, so your client pled
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guilty to operating while visibly impaired.
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She was referred for a screening and assessment.
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Any material additions, Corrections are deletions.
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I know your honor and I would indicate to the court that she
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doesn't have a sheep. There is just been attending,
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okay? And you've seen that.
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You've been going at least once per week.
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Yes. Okay.
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What else would you like to say her?
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A great minds about this incident and she takes it very
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seriously. She is going to do everything
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she's dead. She's no just totally out of
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character for her. No prior history with law
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enforcement or any of that from a good family.
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And I'm sure we will see her again back here.
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All right, man, is there anything you would like to say?
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I just like to say, I'm very sorry and I fully learned that
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from this Okay. All right, good enough.
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I don't use the only way, eight months, but she scored in
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category 1 on. Everything.
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So I will I'll go along with that eight months probation and
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you cannot leave the state without the consent of the court
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of violate. Any more ordinance.
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If you change your address, your place of employment or home
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telephone number, you must notify probation, you do have to
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reporters to direct it. No alcohol.
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No illegal drugs? No marijuana.
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You can't go to any place that sells or discuss it, so I'll
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call. The recommending by weekly
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testing, I'll go along with that but only make you test by weekly
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for three months. If you're clean then I'll make
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it monthly. Okay create them up.
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You see CDD oils are prohibited consuming food or other items
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containing those substances will be deemed to violation, attend a
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level 2 alcohol, education program and the victim Jim
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panel. That's one night, put on by
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Mothers Against Drunk drivers, four days, jail.
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Credit One serves three electric service by way of community
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service. So three days, community service
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six Pips, 24 hours. And I'm going to give you on
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chill. March the 25th to complete that.
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So we got about seven eight, so okay.
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Um so 24 hours community service, you may be eligible for
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early discharge, you're going to pay fines of 300 costs of 300,
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seventy five, victims rights fee, 50.00, Justice assessment,
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seven and a quarter, probation fees. 160 for a total of 885.
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You have a screening fee of 60 for 945 plus your cost of
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recovery, everything included, monster 1178 again.
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If there are no violations, you can apply for early, discharging
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or 21 days to appeal, 14 days to apply for ordering more for
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purposes of appeal, to understand all that earlier, a
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family that she grew up with is going to Mexico from the 20th of
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the 26th and invited her come with them if she could help
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permission. Yeah, you know.
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He States these countries, I don't know what let's pull in.
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I was just say she can leave the state.
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I'm not saying she can go to Mexico.
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You need to double check, make sure there's no problems, I'm
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sure there's not. Yeah, but like Canada, you can't
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go into Canada. Will be an engineer, right?
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You can't leave the state between February the 20th.
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I'll make it the 27th in case the flight gets the lead Hosea,
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okay? And can she pay all this today
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or does she need time? Hey, Hi.
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I wish you. Well, then you'll meet with
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probation. Okay, best of luck to you, man.
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Thank you. Thanks Mr. Rosman, yes sir,
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Julianne Marie Vanderhoof, 2681159, A and B.
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Your name charged with driving on a suspended.
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You have the right to a lawyer if you want one.
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I'll give you one. I can't hear you waive your
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right to a lawyer. Yes, and January 4 of 26.
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It is alleged that you did operate a motor vehicle with a
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suspended license on I-75 near Weston, Woodhaven it 127.
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In the morning, that is a misdemeanor is punishable by up
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to 500 finds 93 days, jail costs for all those and two points.
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Do you want to understand that? Did you sign the advice of
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Rights and read and understand the rights?
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If you plead guilty, you will be giving up all those rights and
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we're not going to have a trial. Do you understand that?
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You have the right to a lawyer. As I said, you still wish to
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waive your right to a lawyer. Yes, I'm an international GT500,
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personal Bond. You don't have to post any
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money. Hurry, your Von conditions.
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You cannot leave the state without consent.
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You cannot violate a law. You must appear in court as
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directed. So those are your bond
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conditions. You owe.
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The people would even 500 dollars if you violated any of
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those. And I'm entering a plea of the
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Nile. On the Speedy, you understand
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that? So you're going to go talk to
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the prosecutor and then you'll come back in here, okay?
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Thank you. Laurie, Hinkle.
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Yes, sir. Glory day, he ain't called
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260841130 A and B. Your name originally.
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You smell the alcohol and children is ankle.
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Are you driving last night? Are you drunk?
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No. We're gonna give you a PBT,
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okay? You're going to my court
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officers going to administer a PBT to you.
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So I was right. We're gonna strip pvt to you.
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Let's see. Oh and he'll go.
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You go out and select goes to prosecutor.
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That's peanuts. People against celebrity.
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Good morning everybody. Happy Wednesday.
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Welcome to the courtroom files live.
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Where apparently people are showing up to court smelling of
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alcohol. You gotta love it.
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Let's continue with judge. Just McNally for a bit.
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This is happening. So your name sure you.
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All right. I don't make sure First of all,
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if you had a chance to review a blood, by the way, to this under
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height at a window peeping. That's correct.
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And he was to go to AA, na to twice a week if you seen that
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form 10 visits who's been doing that.
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Okay good for copy. No, that's all right.
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I trust you. I just he's gonna need to keep
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that, okay? He's been doing really well on
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that good. Seriously, whenever you're
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ready, I can address the PSI. Yeah, he had a chance to review
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the report and looked over this morning.
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I went over my client, the only The only real issue is that we
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had a seems to me like outpatient counseling is a bit
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extreme if he's testing twice a week.
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He's been clean. He's been following the courts
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record inundation and Order. As far as a goes.
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Maybe if the court was inclined it to entertain that particular.
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That particular element. That if it was, if he tested
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positive baby, that they could not patient. because he
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expressed me this morning, he I think they're I think there's
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Australia is, you know, he had THC and a system.
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The acknowledge the he was using marijuana and he had ten beers
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and now he's going in the backyard of somebody's house and
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window peeping. I mean, I I don't think it's
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that extreme but I get. Go ahead.
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And I'm sorry and interrupt. No, no.
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And I think that's a very valid point.
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I think that that's something that he expressed in me this
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morning, was that, You know, I think he's really believed that
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this ended where it did, you know, and it didn't result in
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something more extreme. You know, I mean, people get
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shot for stuff like that. And that was something he
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expressed to me. He was a you know, in the grand
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scheme of things, the severity of it was probably his minimal
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and he But judge yes I wouldn't use.
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I would say that you know, given the fact that you know going to
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two AA sessions per week and has you know we testing whatever the
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court order on that. If he didn't test positive and
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he split smoking marijuana from the most part, I think If you
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tested positive for alcohol or drugs, any legal drugs?
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And he went in time that I definitely something that
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trigger and all patient program. Okay, that you are.
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Yes, I got it. Anything else either one of you?
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You everything. I just want to say that we got
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it turned off all the way and they're not a lot worse and you
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went over and got fingerprinted, right?
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Yeah, I think right after the last 40, You.
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By the way, I just need to ask. Is there a Tyler or Brooklyn
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Wilson here? I don't.
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All right, I'm gonna take this under the How did you feel
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trainee Act? As agreed upon, that's what you
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guys agreed upon. I'll do that, 15 months
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probation, you cannot leave the state without the consent of the
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Court. We cannot violate any law
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ordinance. You change your address from
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employment or home telephone number.
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You must notify. Probation yet to reporters to
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act it. No alcohol.
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No marijuana. You know the Controlled
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Substances you're not to purchase possessors and many of
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those. You're just create and poppy
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seeds and CBD oils are prohibited consuming food or
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other items contain. Those substances will be dealing
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with violation. You're just simply can testing
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pvts, she's Bi weekly performance.
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If your phone all then, make it monthly.
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No contact with rock Brooklyn Wilson or her family members Del
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contact with her or her family. If you're not ten or the
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property or go near the property address of 199116 side Park
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Court, and the City of Woodhaven, I'm gonna order 40
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days jail and I'll let you serve those as follows.
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Three days on the court work program.
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There's a 35 dollar worth Dave charge for that, for a total of
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105 and one day or eight hours of community service which you
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have to complete in this case by March the 20th, Um, I am going
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to order that you can continue attending AA, na, twice a week
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in person until you're in Outpatient Treatment.
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Order Outpatient Treatment as well.
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We do attend that and complete that Binds.
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So you understand the sentence so far?
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Yes, fines are 100 costs or 275 Victory. 50 dollar, Justice
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adjustment form, border screen, 485, Probation fees are 300 for
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7805 plus your core work, program piece your totals 890.
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If you violate, your probation could be revoked, you could be
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incarcerated for 90 days. You have 21 days, you will
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appeal and 14 days to apply for a court appointed.
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Does he have all of this to pay? I'm sure how much do you have
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today? How much do you have to pay?
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Cheaper. Very positive and very hungry.
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Hundred dollars now 75 a week. You can do that, right?
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Yeah, 75 per week. I'll give you a little bit of
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late anyways. Or maybe a little bit of a head
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start, so to speak. So I won't have any previous
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until February, the 27th and you'll meet with probation.
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And if you ever don't have the money, you call the police on
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Zoom, I'll give you an extension, okay?
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Honor before the deal. Good luck.
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Thank you. Laurie, gave good morning once
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again. Everybody TCF live, good to have
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you here. Lots, of course just getting
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their days started but I'm gonna hang with McNally for a little
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bit because I want to see if the person comes back that they did
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the PBT for your job. Well, there you go.
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Oh. You said no sir.
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What's your name? Tell me your name.
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My name is Morgan. You got a point one six six.
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On the Brooklyn, the PBteen. I was you.
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How they shouldn't be that that was you're still drunk.
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No man you got a point 166 who drove here?
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Um, my friend. Just is this, the guy here that
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he drive sir? Raymond, Surrounding mountains.
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I love president slow down present.
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What is? Hang on a second?
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Oh. Do you love us cousin to the
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United States of him. What's his name?
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Sir, Ronald Raymond Hamilton. The present to the president.
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He was, yeah. The president of the United
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States. Yes, the president right now
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yes, he's shaking his head. No, why is he shaking his head?
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No she's not the president like that wrestling.
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He's shaking his head. Now it is not about the coast.
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And honestly, I don't care if he's the brother of the
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president, it's not going to help you.
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So I don't need to hear this. What I do want you to know if
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you show up for court again drunk, we're gonna have a big
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problem. I'm going to reschedule your
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case. Sir, you cannot let her dry.
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The understand. Thank you just you know what you
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know you've got it. I'm sorry.
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Actually. Pledge allegiance.
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Is that what you said? Yes.
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I'm just fine. Just relax.
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Heather, give me another date. Will you please?
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I should probably hit you locked up until you go down on the give
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me another day. We could do February 18th at
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9:45. On up here, sir.
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What is your name? My name is Ron and Did you drive
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her here? You live with her.
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She stayed with me last night. She asked these days.
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I don't listen to you happy. She doesn't have to get him.
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He got. Is she gonna have access to a
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motor vehicle? No.
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You own a motor vehicle, man. that's, She the 2744 deal like
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me. Hang on a second.
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You just told me she didn't have access if she owns a motor
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vehicle. How does she not have access to
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the meeting? not just, Go down the Halls.
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Get your new day, it's going to be February 18th.
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Okay, that 9:45 in the morning. No, don't show up drunk.
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Don't show up after consuming out.
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Okay, we understand sure. I'm gonna let her go, I'm gonna
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trust, you're not gonna give her those cute kittens.
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Thank you. Throughout all.
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Is he? All right?
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What's not have any further discussions here.
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Okay, that's what I'm going to do through, not drive.
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Do you understand do not drive? You understand?
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Yes, sir. Go down the hall to give you a
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notice. Thank you.
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What an amazing way to start our day here at TCF.
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This is why you join us every morning.
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You never know what you're gonna get.
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What struck me though? Is this whole like 11th, cousin
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twice, removed of the president or whatever.
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Why in the name of all? That is good.
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Would you even try to throw that out there because this country
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is completely polarized and you don't know what this judge is.
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Political affiliations, are you either gonna have him like, 100%
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on your side or 100%? Ready to put you up against the
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wall? I mean, that's like the worst
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thing you could do is bring anything like that, into the
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court. I'm so confused.
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It's good to have you all here. Let's continue with McNally.
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For just a little bit longer. Evaporating one visibly
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impaired, with young wide to be dismissed, true?
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That accurate? Is that what you want to do?
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Mr Hall. Yes, sir.
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If you do that, the possible penalties are up to 300 finds 90
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degree days jail. 360 hours community, service court costs
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are all Four Points, licensed suspension, or revocation, and
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accordance with your record. Your vehicle could be or might
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have to be a mobilized. Depending upon your record, you
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understand that? Yes, sir, you are Presumed
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Innocent. They have to prove you guilty
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Beyond a reasonable doubt. You have the right to remain
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silent. You have the right to a trial by
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quarter jury. You have the right?
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Add a trial to testify remain silent with the understanding
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that if you choose to remain silent, that silence would not
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be held against you. You have the right to cross exam
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in the prosecution's witnesses, you have the right to bring in
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your own Witnesses. You have the right to use a
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subpoena powers of the court to bring in those Witnesses.
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And if you plead guilty, you'll be giving up all these rights
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and we will not have a trial of any kind.
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You want to understand that? Yes.
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All right. You understand one complete
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guilty here today that you're giving up the rights, your
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waving, the presumption of innocence in your waiving, the
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requirement. They guilty Beyond a reasonable
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doubt. He understand that.
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Yes. All right.
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To the charge operating on visibly impaired.
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How do you plead guilty? We operating a motor vehicle in
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the city of would even carrying on January 4th of 26, on Allen
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near Van Horn at 2:59 in the morning.
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Yes, prior to that. Did you drink alcohol?
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If so, what did you drink and how much Yes, and about six
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beers. Okay, was your ability to
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operate that motor vehicle impaired?
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Because of the alcohol consumption and if so in what
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way, yes. How?
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Drunk. Well, I know but why were you
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pulled over by the police? Were you leaving speak?
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Sorry sir. I was sleeping.
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Well, the training pulled up and I put my car apart and I fell
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asleep. I see you think you did that at
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least in part because you're alcohol consumption.
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Yes. And did you take a breath test
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or a blood draw? I did Brett.
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And councils were the results point, one, three, six, and he's
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so stipulated. That was an accurate reading for
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purposes of the police there actually two bac's and yes, I I
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stepped behind her. Are you on probation or parole,
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sir. Nobody for sure to plead guilty.
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No. Please accepted to that, charge
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operating long period of why's to Smith.
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He is 30. Too.
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Right, I'm 32, I'm gonna give you a personal bond with 1,000.
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I'm gonna order a screening, and assessment A chin.
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Yeah, come over to probation. See if they can screen in
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assessing today. Well, if you cannot leave the
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state without the consent of the Court, you cannot violate any
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law ordinance. You must appear in quarters,
26:15
directive, no alcohol or marijuana.
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No illegal drugs. I do want you going any one time
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per week? Yeah, the first thing Hannibal,
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we want to check and see if they're going to be able to
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screen them. They're really busy over there
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right now. Or do they want me to set a
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date? Okay I want you to call over to
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probation 7346711021. That's 6. 7 1 0 2 0 1 extension
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245 and see when they want him to come in they're really busy
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they're not going to be able to do it right now so and I'll give
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you a new sentence date or sentence date and we'll go from
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there. Thank you, heather. if February
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8th at 8:30, At 8:30 Council. Okay, uh, yeah.
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Genius by Zoomer in person on that day.
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I mean, if you gonna be in the The only I want sobriety court
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cases by Zoom. I mean, in person, other than
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that, if they're if he's in your office with you, I don't have a
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problem with zoom. Okay, either way.
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So you both show up here, you both show up there that you were
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18th, 830 anything else, nothing, your honor, I will call
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probation and try to get a schedule.
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Thank you have a good day. All right, for those of you who
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It would also make up. 300 dollar deposit for today's
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phosphere cups. Okay, what would you like to
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Sorry Mr. True. Sure there.
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Any additions deletions or Corrections that report know
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you're on. Are there any challenges to the
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scoring of the guidelines? There's not Mr. Rolla to the
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people have any additions, deletions or Corrections.
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Thank you. Any challenges to the scoring
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anything on behalf of the people for allocation today?
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Just this is the first I always situation.
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So there's a recommendation of probation of 18 months and in
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regards to any jail time is suggesting that many additional
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Jim that we don't dance. I was just asked for
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consideration of that. The court should mostly consider
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the fact that matters involved which case, we don't believe
29:26
that that had a quantity all jailed my should be building
29:28
things. Like Thank you, mister chair.
29:32
So you're right, I would agree with the prosecutor, I mean this
29:35
is to an extent. I agree with him that first
29:40
felony situation, the only prior offense that exists on his
29:44
record is a misdemeanor for not having Insurance the
29:47
circumstances here. It comes to the attention of law
29:51
enforcement because they can't read his license plate and he
29:54
has a bench warrant because he hadn't appeared in court for the
29:58
other matter. He thought it was a traffic
30:00
ticket, he could just pay. So again he had worn out for him
30:04
for that. I think all of those things are
30:06
relevant, considerations. He doesn't have any history to
30:09
suggest. This is a pattern.
30:10
I think probation is a good idea because again, bothers, no
30:14
history to suggest it's a pattern that would suggest that
30:17
we're on the front end of what could be a problem in the
30:19
future, which is the exact situation.
30:21
I think appropriate for probation.
30:26
You know, the amount here is relatively small, he comes to
30:31
the attention of law enforcement.
30:32
And again it's fairly benign way.
30:35
It there's just nothing here to suggest any aggravating factors.
30:38
That's why there's no scoring for any ovs.
30:41
It's why the guidelines are zero to three months at that range is
30:45
a presumption against jailing. So, I think the recommendation
30:50
here for probation is entirely appropriate.
30:52
If the court did, hold some jail on a band said I don't
30:55
necessarily that's inappropriate, but I also don't
30:59
think it puts a cord on a substantially different position
31:01
than just imposing a straight. Probationary term there.
31:05
I mean, there's like the added step of actual violation.
31:08
Hearing was just a posing but really, I think that a probation
31:13
term is the appropriate response here.
31:16
Mr. Rock is already been in touch with Mr. Burnett call,
31:19
since the PSI has been done to make arrangements to have a
31:23
transferred to his homecoming, Saginaw So again, I think all
31:28
indications are probations appropriate and he will be
31:30
successful information. Thank you, Mr. Barack anything
31:34
you want to say today, Ollies, I know it.
31:42
I don't appreciate it. Okay, all right.
31:46
Well, I did read through the report, so I'm familiar with
31:49
what happened in the circumstance.
31:51
There's also a lot of information in that report about
31:53
you Mr. Lorac, your circumstances, your background
31:57
and history and so forth. So take all of that into
32:00
consideration along with what the lawyers had to say here.
32:04
Um, and yeah, you know, I tend to agree with Mr. Trish, there
32:09
aren't any real aggravating circumstances here, other than
32:13
you had an unresolved warrant out of Oscoda County but, you
32:18
know, in terms of this traffic stop.
32:19
It doesn't hear from the report that you were, you know,
32:22
resisting or getting police trouble.
32:25
The amount that you were found with is relatively low amount,
32:32
it's a personal use amount. Doesn't indicate any
32:34
circumstances involving trafficking or selling on that.
32:40
And you don't have any prior history, other than that.
32:44
That's go to, you know, insurance issue.
32:49
You know, don't have any other prior history so this is one of
32:52
those cases. We're dealing with the non
32:54
assaulted fans, where the court finds the presumption against
32:57
jail time. applies and is appropriate in this case, I earn
33:04
any real factors that Would the court could articulate?
33:08
That would require a lot of or to impose jail time on this
33:14
charge. Up front.
33:16
I am going to hold jail time in a band.
33:17
Yeah, so that means that if you successfully complete your
33:21
probation you would never need to serve that jail time.
33:24
If you don't, if you violate your probation, the court can
33:27
impose any or all of that jail, time up front immediately.
33:30
No hearings. Nothing.
33:32
You just go right to jail. So that's a significant
33:35
motivation for you to comply with the conditions of your
33:38
probation. I hope otherwise I think,
33:41
probations appropriate. I think some monitoring.
33:44
I don't know. You know why?
33:47
You had met them Fatima? If it's something that you're
33:50
using regularly and this just happened to be the time, you got
33:53
caught with it or whether this was a one-time use, but either
33:57
way, the fact that you're you've got possession substances that
34:01
you don't have a prescription for sure.
34:03
If you wake up, call to you that you either need to go to a
34:07
doctor, get a prescription. Use those things legally or not,
34:10
have otherwise, you're going to wind up trouble like here now.
34:15
So, I think recommendation is appropriate for his gonna follow
34:20
that. The court is going to place you
34:22
on probation period. Of one year, the court is going
34:26
to adapt as the conditions of the probation, all the terms and
34:30
conditions listed in this report your agent's going to go through
34:33
all of those with you individually.
34:35
It's important that, you know, and understand all the
34:38
conditions of your probation so that you don't violate them.
34:40
The court is going to impose three months in the Otsego
34:45
County Jail, you do have credit for five days.
34:47
Served, the court is going to hold that time in advance to be
34:51
used at the discretion of the Court.
34:55
Will order a Crime Victims, assessment of 130 dollars.
35:00
Or cost of 325 attorney fees. 350 dollars, 60 dollars, DNA
35:06
testing fee. 68.00 State cost and 30 dollars per month
35:12
supervision. You do have the ability to seek
35:17
of the sentence. Mr. Tru Chevy been able to
35:22
provide Mr. Telephone Okay. Ms. Davis is taking me with you.
36:17
Now, see that it's received a visibility rights.
36:39
Here. Okay, friends, let's stay in
36:47
Michigan but we will head Southeast, Lenawee County.
36:51
Say, good morning to judge anselone.
36:52
The universe is Daniel Mark knob.
36:55
Lawn number 25-22 389 H, I have Jon Glaser appearing on behalf
37:03
of Mr. Canaveral, I have Isaac Snead of hearing on behalf of
37:07
the people. This is the date time set for a
37:11
pre-trial conference in this matter, Mr. Glazier, how would
37:16
you like to proceed? You're in.
37:19
I believe, my client. I think they've offered him a
37:21
DVD deferred. And I think he wants to Avail
37:25
himself of that. I just wanted to make sure that
37:27
that would not involve initial up front jail and unders it
37:32
usually doesn't Okay, so mister mister and I do see that.
37:38
Count two is domestic violence. I do see that prior plea, offer
37:43
was a domestic violence. First offense under 769.4 a,
37:48
which I believe is the misdemeanor deferred statutes.
37:51
So is that correct recitation of playing?
37:54
What is your position on up front jail?
37:57
Wow, that is a correct recitation of The Plea and we
38:01
don't have any position on unpredictable.
38:08
Leisure, if they have no position, then I would have no
38:12
objection, not French Jazz cups. Okay, then we're set to go.
38:20
So Mr. Kannapolis my bailiff's gonna hand down to an advice of
38:24
Rights form? I'm going to go through those
38:27
rights with you, but if you could read through it real
38:30
quick, go ahead and read through it and then sign it when you're
38:33
done reading through it. Well, be easier for me to stay
39:03
basis. Oh, go through with him.
40:00
Here. Well, he's reading.
41:09
What is apparently the longest document ever created by man?
41:14
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41:18
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41:48
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41:50
But if you're not signed up, go do that.
41:53
Very helpful on the record with you is well, okay, so raise your
41:58
right hand, Mr. Knob law. Do you solemnly, swear or two?
42:02
Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing.
42:04
But the truth. Okay.
42:06
And can you put your hand down and I just need you to speak up
42:10
a little bit louder so you are Daniel Mark cannot walk.
42:13
Yes. All right, so Mr.
42:44
Do you understand that Mr? Blazer.
42:50
What are we doing? It might be 0's and no contest
42:53
during Mr. Sneed any position? No, thank you. okay, so your
43:00
attorney is asking you Your in. Simply no contest to that.
43:06
Yes. Okay.
43:07
And you want to understand how one will be dismissed, which is
43:11
the assault with intent? Do you understand that?
43:13
Yes. Okay.
43:15
Now, are you satisfied with Mr? Glazier, as your attorney in the
43:20
advice that he has given you. Yes.
43:22
All right. And neither the prosecutor, the
43:25
defendant or anyone on the defendants behalf has discussed
43:28
any other possible sense with the court?
43:30
Is that correct? Mr. Blazer, that's correct.
43:34
Mr. Steen yes, Ron Mr. Knobloch, you're now knowledge.
43:40
Is that correct? Yes.
43:42
All right. So if a no contest, please
43:45
accepted, there will be no trial.
43:47
This means that you will be giving up, right?
43:49
Who would have had that trial? I'm going to explain those
43:52
rights to you. Now, to make sure that you
43:54
understand them, you have a right to a speedy public trial
43:57
by jury. You may ask for a non-jury
44:00
trial, and if the prosecutor in court agreed, you can have a
44:04
non-jury trial. Yeah, the right to be presumed
44:06
innocent until proven guilty Beyond a reasonable doubt.
44:10
They have the right to have the prosecuting attorney prove
44:13
Beyond a reasonable doubt that you are guilty and you do not
44:16
have to prove anything, you have the right to be present at trial
44:20
and have witnesses against you appear at your trial and ask
44:24
those Witnesses questions, you have the right to have the court
44:27
order. Any Witnesses, you have for your
44:29
defense to appear at the trial and the right to remain silent
44:33
during your trial and not have your silence use against you.
44:37
However, you also have the right to testify at your trial if you
44:42
want to testify. So, do you want to understand
44:45
that? If you're pleased accepted, you
44:46
may be giving up the right to appeal issues that would
44:49
otherwise be appealable if you had been convicted at trout?
44:53
Do you understand that? Yes, you understand that any
44:56
appeal from the conviction and sentence pursuant to The Plea
45:00
would be by application for lead to appeal and not, right?
45:03
So by cleaning, you have to apply to the court of appeals.
45:07
In the Supreme Court, for an appeal, you don't get an
45:10
automatic, right? Like you would have trial you
45:12
want to understand that? Yes.
45:13
You want to understand that. If the please accepted and you
45:16
engage in any misconduct, as to find an MCR 6.310 between now
45:22
and sent zinc, the court would not be bound by any sense in
45:26
agreement or evaluation and you would not have a right to
45:29
withdraw. Your plea misconduct is defined
45:32
to include, but not limited to absconding failing to appear for
45:37
scent. Zinc violating terms of
45:39
conditions on bond or the terms of any sentencing or play
45:43
agreement or otherwise failing to comply with an order of the
45:46
Court. Pending sentence.
45:48
If you are not a citizen of the United States of America, it
45:52
conviction of a crime may result in deportation exclusion from
45:56
admission, to the United States of America or denial of
46:01
naturalization. Do you have any questions or
46:04
about the rights that I've given to you?
46:06
Okay, so your response to my next question will be no contest
46:11
or not guilty. Okay, so how do you wish to plea
46:15
to the charge that honor about June 18th of 2025 the city of
46:21
Adrian? In the county of Len away, that
46:23
you did commit your friends of domestic violence, No contest or
46:29
not guilty. Do you want to sit down?
46:35
Would you like to sit down? I'm sorry.
46:40
It's okay, there's a tissue box there and you have a seat.
46:44
Miss Adams. Could you call for Quad Howard
46:50
from the jail, please? Okay, so take a deep breath.
46:55
You're going to be okay. And when you're ready, we'll
46:58
proceed, okay? Okay, okay, tell me when you're
47:04
ready. Okay.
47:15
Okay, I don't know. If you need a minute, I'm fine
47:25
with that. If you want a minute, just just
47:28
a minute or are you ready to continue?
47:29
I'm ready. Okay, so your attorney said that
47:33
you're going to plead no contest.
47:34
So my question is, how do you want to plead to the charge that
47:38
honor about June 18 of 2025 in the city of Adrian and the
47:44
county of runaway that you did commit the offense of domestic
47:48
violence? So no no contest or not guilty,
47:50
that's okay. Okay.
47:53
Has anyone made any threats or promises to you to induce you to
47:59
play no contest to this church? Really not really.
48:07
Okay, so we talked about what your sentence would be in the
48:10
Deferred but he hasn't promised you, what you'll have to pay
48:13
him, find some costs or anything like that.
48:16
It told me about what it might be.
48:21
Okay. But it might be okay, okay?
48:25
But you understand, I set the sense, right?
48:28
You understand that? I determine what the sentence
48:31
is, correct? Yes?
48:32
Okay. All right.
48:36
Do you under stand that? If I accept this plea, you will
48:40
be giving up any and all claims that you're pleased is giving as
48:43
a result of promises or threats. Wait, I think I already did that
48:49
already did that? No, I don't do you want to
48:51
understand? If I accept the plea, you'll be
48:53
giving up any and all claims that you're pleased giving as a
48:56
result of promises or threats, that were not just closed to the
49:00
court on the record during this hearing, or it was not your own
49:03
choice and replace. So, this is your choice to enter
49:05
The Plea, right? Yes.
49:07
Okay. And you're doing this on your
49:10
own free will, right? Yes.
49:12
Okay, Prosecutor defense counsel.
49:15
We have any promises threats are inducements other than the plea
49:19
bargain to induce the dependent. They guilty Mr. Glazier.
49:24
Know you're on. And is it your own choice?
49:30
But guilty? Or no contest.
49:32
I mean, Yes. Okay.
49:35
So, um, Mr. Glazier. You said you wanted to place a
49:40
factual basis on the record. Yeah, it might be easier, Mr.
49:44
No, black. We've come in and talk to me
49:46
about this, at least two or three times in my office.
49:49
Is that right? Yes.
49:53
And the last, and the last time we were in here, I told you they
49:57
had offered you a misdemeanor deferred with no up front jail.
50:02
And you, you wanted to take that deal rather than go to trial.
50:06
Is that correct? Yes, yes.
50:08
And you we actually had an exam on this and you heard what's her
50:16
name? Amanda Wilson testify at that
50:20
trial under oath or at the exam under oath.
50:22
Is that correct? I never heard her.
50:25
Oh, were you exam? You have been hearing down
50:31
stairs what they took. Testimony.
50:37
It. Okay.
50:38
Do you remember being? All right, so I have paperwork
50:43
shows that you held a preliminary exam, your attorney
50:47
question Witnesses and so did the prosecutor.
50:50
We back in the summer, in August, of 25.
50:53
You remember, going to court in August and the judge hearing
50:56
testimony and you sitting with Mr. Glazier.
51:03
I think that if you and Mr seed stipulate to the purpose of a no
51:11
contest playing Mr. Sneed would you stipulate to him using the
51:15
pulmonary exam transcript and the police reports?
51:19
Yes, thank you. So you're just stipulate the
51:24
exam. the victim again for your internet and Amanda Wilson did
51:33
Testify. The there was an argument, my
51:38
client was moving out, they had been in a relationship and he
51:42
was, he was gonna leave and that she says, that he, there was a
51:49
physical altercation that he choked her mic.
51:52
I just want to put on my client tonight that, but for purposes
51:56
of taking this plea, I don't know.
51:57
Contest. We could, we would ask the court
51:59
to accept that testimony. It based on statements by Mr.
52:04
Knob law, I would say, it'd be, for lack of memory, Mr. Glazier,
52:08
that lack of memory is well as potential for civil liability.
52:14
Mr. Sneed anything to add? I would just had she further
52:20
testified that two days later, that the defendant had grabbed
52:24
her aggressively on her upper, right arm and that Led to two
52:29
small bruises, being observed on the victims.
52:32
Are based upon him. Grabbing and pinching her arm.
52:38
All right. So based on the facts, placed on
52:40
the record from the information, contained in the police report,
52:43
the court finds Vander Reasonable Doubt.
52:46
And on June 1825, the city of Adrian and the county of Lenawee
52:51
that the defendant did commit the offense of domestic violence
52:54
by Choking and then grabbing the arm of the victim in this case.
53:01
Amanda Wilson leaving bruises, which satisfies the
53:05
requirements. The court does find that defense
53:08
of domestic violence. And accepts the note contest
53:11
plate. Ms. Adams notice here from Mr.
53:14
Kannapolis percent singing. A March 20.
53:17
All right, anything, so I accept, Mr. Sneed has court
53:22
complied with them Sheriff's 6.302 BC in D.
53:26
Yes, thank you. Mr, Glazier.
53:28
Yeah sure. They said, I accept the plead
53:32
has been given understandably voluntarily, and accurately, the
53:35
defendant has full knowledge of his rights.
53:37
He does have competent counsel other than the cops, not front
53:41
jail based on the people having no position.
53:43
The court has made no agreement regarding the possibility of a
53:47
plea or possible sentence. In this case, with the
53:50
prosecutor, the defense training, the defendant, or
53:52
anyone acting in the interest of either of them, Miss Adams,
53:57
could you? Write on that.
53:59
Notice from Mr. Knob law, that he needs to report to District
54:03
Court. Probation on February, 12th
54:06
between 8 and 10 a.m. On the first floor.
54:09
Yes. Okay.
54:11
So I'm going to refer this matter to Mr. Knob law.
54:16
I'm going to refer this matter to The District Court probation
54:19
department for a present and investigation, okay?
54:22
Because it's a misdemeanor, The District Court probation
54:27
department will do. That present is report.
54:30
Okay, okay, when you go there, February 12th next Thursday, a
54:35
week from tomorrow, it'll be on the first floor, probation
54:38
between 8 and 10. You're going to go there and
54:41
they're going to set up a time or they'll meet with you that
54:43
day. Be truthful with them about the
54:46
back your background, but you don't have to say anything about
54:48
this offense, because you plan, no contest.
54:50
Okay. They'll prepare presents report,
54:54
will provide it to Mr. Glazier, I think he mails them out to
54:58
you, but if you need to talk to him, make sure you call them in
55:01
advance of that, okay? And then, I'm going to set
55:04
sentencing on March 20 at 8:15 in the morning.
55:08
So, Mr. Canal, blog, do you want to come in person or do you want
55:12
to zoom in? Mr. Knobel, maybe you want to do
55:17
it here at my office. If you want to come here and do
55:22
it right here from the office. Would that be good?
55:24
Yes. I'll go on that March 2 0.
55:31
From his office for sentencing. Okay?
55:35
Okay. So my staff is going to bring
55:38
you, stay right there. They're going to bring you a
55:40
notice of hearing for sentencing and then they're on it will be
55:43
instructions for you to report to the probation department.
55:46
All right. All right.
55:48
So we are off set and I have the advice to write on him already
55:53
Mr. Blazer. So that's good and you just stay
55:56
right there in my system. Brings you the notice you can
55:58
leave them, okay, all right. Thank you.
56:02
All right. Once again, everybody it is TCF
56:06
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56:08
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56:17
Eastern 4, p.m. Pacific, Mike and I have no idea
56:22
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56:24
That's what makes the show fun. We shoot from the hip.
56:27
We learned some stuff. We have the format of the show
56:31
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56:35
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56:41
Time to head, south. Wade, Mercer, first appearances.
56:46
On the stock was good morning. We're stuck with you here
56:48
because you've got two allegations against human.
56:50
You've been accused of one count of grand theft in a new charge.
56:54
And then you have a second charge of violation of state
56:56
probation. Ma'am, I'm going to go ahead and
56:59
address your bond status on the Grand Theft.
57:02
First, let me see at the attorneys.
57:03
Have any additional information Mr. McDaniel anything.
57:07
Mr. Mitchell's know, you're so miss Knuckles.
57:10
They are entitled to on the Grand Theft.
57:12
I almost set your Bonnet 10,000 dollars cash or charity with a
57:16
condition. No contact with The Ledger
57:17
Dayton, it's Knuckles. The problem is that you have a
57:20
no bond violation of probation, warrant signed by the Circuit,
57:22
Judge judge Garcia. So even though you've got a bond
57:24
in the new case, there's no point trying to make it because
57:26
you've got no bond in the vop in the vop case, I'm going to go
57:30
ahead and ran you because I want to get you a lawyer pointed
57:32
today. If that's what you're asking
57:33
for, in the violation of probation charge, would you like
57:36
to have an attorney appointed? Represent you Say yes yes.
57:43
Okay I'm going to point the public defender's office to
57:46
representing the new in the vop case, listen to Mr. McDaniel and
57:49
we'll see if you have any questions in just a moment.
57:50
You're going to interpret not guilty yesterday on the March
57:53
3rd Court docket and Attorney had talked to her on that day.
58:01
And Mr. Mitchell, anything from the state, know, your honor.
58:03
So miss Knuckles, an attorney will see you on or before the
58:06
court date. Ma'am.
58:09
In March and you've got no bond in the vop case.
58:12
Do you have any questions Miss Nichols?
58:14
I have no clue what this is about.
58:19
Okay, I just the allegation is that you sold a piece of
58:23
property in the car. Don't respond to this, I'm just
58:26
telling what you're accused of the allegations.
58:28
Hold a piece of property and there's some kind of pump on the
58:31
property on some kind of spring. And that the paperwork clearly
58:35
says that went with the property and then weeks later after the
58:39
sale, allegedly you removed that that pump made it several
58:43
hundred dollars. That's what you're accused of.
58:45
That's the basis for the grand theft and there's supposedly
58:48
some witnesses that solidus. So that's that's what it's
58:51
about, don't comment on it. I'm just trying to make sure you
58:53
know what you're accused of. You have any questions?
59:01
We have sure Richard Smith. Smith.
59:13
Good morning Mr. Smith you're here because you have a hold out
59:15
of Calhoun. County, Mr. Smith, I took a look
59:18
at the warrant this morning. It has no bond on it.
59:20
It's several felony charges down there, Mr. Smith.
59:22
What that means is, you're gonna be held for Calhoun County.
59:24
You'll get picked up by them. And next day or two, when you
59:27
get down there, you'll go to another first appearance.
59:29
Mr. Smith, and that judge will address whether or not you're
59:32
entitled to a bond, but right now, there's no bond on the
59:34
warrant, Mr. Smith, do you have any questions?
59:37
oh, he's trying to say, I miss
1:00:01
Marshall, I got here kind of probation for all in charges.
1:00:04
I bonded out of here and went to Calhoun inside a year kind of
1:00:07
probation for all them charges. They got dropped down to a
1:00:10
misdemeanor, I never caught a new charger.
1:00:12
All I called was a fair to appear here in Jackson County.
1:00:14
And I signed five years probation and chrome.
1:00:16
Yesterday, I'm just trying to figure out what this is going
1:00:19
on. What's up with this guy?
1:00:20
I never thought let me Let me go look at the Warren because these
1:00:23
are recent warrants. Let me see when they supposedly
1:00:25
happened. I looked into warrant system
1:00:28
this morning because it's not in their regular system.
1:00:30
It's only in our warrant system. Here, I will tell you that he
1:00:35
did enter a plea yesterday. So what he's saying about
1:00:38
entering into probation with chrome is true.
1:00:42
I don't know if this was already pending charges that he had
1:00:45
simultaneously. Yes, this warrant was signed.
1:00:54
Yesterday at 11:09 a.m. supposedly regarding this
1:00:58
incident on December 15th. December 15th.
1:01:03
So there's a Agatha salt on December 15th.
1:01:08
The second charges Agatha salt. The third charges in prison and
1:01:14
Then there's a battery. Oh, December 15th.
1:01:20
So I was what it's not our County.
1:01:24
Well that doesn't mean you I don't know anything about it
1:01:26
could have been something that's supposedly happened at the jail.
1:01:28
I have no idea. I want to ask Mr. McDaniel
1:01:30
notify, his counterparts and in Calhoun County, Miss parish and
1:01:35
if there's an issue, this is something you've already
1:01:37
resolved. Obviously they're going to be on
1:01:38
it this morning. Okay, that's a good day.
1:01:44
After Mr. Tim thank you for gifting five memberships.
1:01:47
Very much, appreciate that. All of you in the community very
1:01:50
much. Appreciate all of you.
1:01:51
Thanks so much. Michelle come on up Corporal.
1:01:56
This is similar to a federal warrant or an immigration only
1:02:00
hold when there's no local charges.
1:02:02
There's no, I don't have any Authority or jurisdiction over
1:02:05
him at all. I can't first appear in Mr.
1:02:07
Sanford, you have a hold something, you do the US, Navy,
1:02:09
some kind of being AWOL allegation, but it's not
1:02:13
something you have anything in state court on Jennifer.
1:02:15
Do you have any questions? All right.
1:02:19
We should best sir. So Corporation just like a US
1:02:22
Marshals. Hold with no local charges.
1:02:24
There's no point putting on the first appearance talking.
1:02:26
Yes we figure but we want 100% of those before.
1:02:31
So thank you is that we had the owner best Mr. McDaniel.
1:02:38
No team. So I'll be out of this is all
1:02:41
she is out of the she's at the hospital, we honor and she's
1:02:45
okay. Yeah, so Ms Bass has a medical
1:02:47
situation. And she's got a violation of
1:02:50
state probation with no bond and to hold out a Bay County.
1:02:52
So, Corporal, just let us keep us up to date on her her
1:02:55
situation, when y'all know more, please.
1:02:56
Yes, I'm going to interpret for I talk to her.
1:03:00
So I am pleased. Not guilty nested in the March
1:03:02
5th for now. You honor, and we'll go from
1:03:05
there. See, where the what happens with
1:03:07
the hospital stay? Okay.
1:03:08
That's unconscious. If you don't know what's going
1:03:12
on, if they admit her at the hospital, Corporal considering
1:03:16
that she's got a, you got two counties involved.
1:03:19
So probably the thing to do, is to contact car.
1:03:21
See if there's a request for medical furlough but judge
1:03:25
Garcia is gonna have to communicate knowing her.
1:03:27
She would the same thing I would do, she'd communicate with a Bay
1:03:29
County authorities before granting that but she don't do
1:03:32
anything until we see what happens with the with the intake
1:03:34
stage at the hospital. Yes, sir.
1:03:38
And that brings us to Tina Taylor.
1:03:43
Was Taylor. Good morning.
1:03:44
It's Taylor. You're here.
1:03:45
Ma'am for a sentence singing. In Jackson, County Case 25-5 56.
1:03:51
CT, Miss Taylor, you enter the pledge of the charge to drive
1:03:54
while license suspended. A revoke your sentencing was set
1:03:56
for yesterday at 8:45 judge Garcia was covering first
1:03:59
appearance yesterday. And my understanding is she did
1:04:01
first appearances and you still want here.
1:04:03
She issued a warrant and at some point a little while after that
1:04:07
you showed up down stairs with two small children is what I was
1:04:10
told for a sentencing which is Inappropriate, but you were
1:04:15
taking into custody and you're back this morning.
1:04:16
So, Mr. McDaniel, I know that I haven't heard anything since
1:04:19
this morning and I don't know, Mr. Mitchell has have, you had a
1:04:22
chance to look at any of her documentation that she was
1:04:24
supposed to bring with her to court yesterday.
1:04:25
Mr. McDaniel. So, I don't know anything about
1:04:27
this case, I'm not sure, but she does have some painting her
1:04:31
schedule here when she caught in now or work.
1:04:33
And I'm not sure what you want to know about it, but that's she
1:04:36
does have that. So miss best.
1:04:40
I'm she's I'm sorry, I miss Taylor you don't miss my game to
1:04:43
represent you for sentencing purposes.
1:04:44
This morning. It's my name.
1:04:48
I want to make sure if you're involved, we do it properly and
1:04:51
get your fee. If you're entitled to one.
1:04:52
I think you are so Mr. McDaniel, the question, I sent you a text
1:04:56
this morning. The question she was supposed to
1:04:57
show up at sentencing with proof that she is getting off work on
1:05:01
November. This is for three months and
1:05:05
that was it. 10 a.m. 2:30 November 9, she got a ticket
1:05:09
approximately 2:40 a.m. She said she was just getting
1:05:13
off work. I said a passing day because Mr.
1:05:16
Mitchell was asking for a jail sentence.
1:05:18
But the state and the court wanted to know if that was true
1:05:21
or not. November.
1:05:51
What day was at November, the 9th, you're asking what day of
1:05:56
the week? Yeah.
1:06:00
Here. If I just saw it, can I see?
1:06:43
2:30 a.m. so, she looks like she got off work at 2:30 first.
1:06:50
Clock at 2:31 a.m. On November 9th.
1:06:56
Yes. so, miss Miss Taylor. The other question I had is, why
1:07:03
would you bring two children with you to a sentencing
1:07:05
yesterday? Knowing that you were going to
1:07:09
jail? Here, they were leaving.
1:07:12
You honor. They was dropping me off.
1:07:16
They was going on with my name. That came out, right?
1:07:20
Why did they come into the office with you then?
1:07:22
The bailiff told him to. She told, he told us all to
1:07:26
come. Okay.
1:07:28
They was ma'am. So tell me what happened.
1:07:30
You showed up here yesterday, morning after school time
1:07:34
started. Why wouldn't why wouldn't the
1:07:35
older child in school? My oldest child.
1:07:38
She is on, she went, she got her a GD.
1:07:41
That was my knee, and then my seven year old.
1:07:44
I was taking her to her stomach was hurting, so I was gonna take
1:07:48
her. Have her go to the doctor.
1:07:50
And my four year old is an in daycare anymore.
1:07:53
So then yeah. So you get here and you come
1:07:58
into the probation office or the judges out of the courthouse.
1:08:00
First, I went upstairs and I went to the courtroom and it
1:08:07
seen anyone in there and then I saw the day of he asked me where
1:08:11
I needed to be and what it was for and I told him my name and
1:08:14
he told me that they had already called me.
1:08:16
And then, that's when he told me to sit out and then he went and
1:08:20
spoke to miss Garcia and then he told me to hold on.
1:08:23
And then he came out and then we went down stairs together with
1:08:27
the Baylor. So he told us.
1:08:28
He said, yes, back to my question, then why would the
1:08:31
children come in court with you? If they were just dropping you
1:08:34
all? Because she wanted to make sure
1:08:36
I was there. I want to make sure like,
1:08:38
they'll be okay. I want to give her my phone and
1:08:41
then once I got in court, they were gonna leave.
1:08:44
Okay, so Mr. Mitchell, I watched the video again to make sure I
1:08:49
remembered everything at that point, the state was asking for
1:08:52
30 days in jail, she had A recent, as in maybe July driver
1:08:58
license suspended a revoke in another County.
1:09:00
So, I thought the offer was very reasonable, but after hearing,
1:09:04
her version and her employment history, and her taking care of
1:09:07
her children, and so forth. That was some concern to state
1:09:09
had and the judge had frankly about not necessarily want her
1:09:12
to lose her job. So we came up with this solution
1:09:15
to see if she really was leaving work like she claimed, she was
1:09:18
and apparently she was by what Mr McDaniel was seen this
1:09:22
morning. So it has any of this changed,
1:09:24
your recommendation. Mr. Mitchell based on the
1:09:27
information that's been provided about the state and the court,
1:09:30
our recommended disposition would be changing it to 11:29
1:09:36
probation with a 400 dollar. Fine, standard conditions that
1:09:40
follow this type of charge. Thank you, Mr. McDaniel anything
1:09:43
else on behalf of Miss Taylor? Know you're Miss Taylor?
1:09:47
I think Mr. Mitchell's reasoning is as well.
1:09:50
Well, sounded as seems like he's, he's been logically.
1:09:53
He's trying to help you and I appreciate that.
1:09:55
I'm going to go with his recommended disposition, instead
1:09:58
of doing the 30 days in jail that they were originally asking
1:10:01
for having getting gotten more information, I'm going to send
1:10:04
it to 11 months and 29 days. Probation, you'll have the
1:10:07
standard conditions of Probation.
1:10:08
Plus, you'll have the standard court costs and fines of 400
1:10:10
dollars Miss Taylor. You will have the standard
1:10:12
condition that you obtain a valid driver's license.
1:10:14
This one is reasonably available to you and that you not drive
1:10:17
without a license. So here's what's going to
1:10:18
happen. There this Taylor, the jails
1:10:21
won't let you use the phone to contact.
1:10:22
Anybody you wish for transportation and then you are,
1:10:25
they'll get you. Let you get dressed in your
1:10:26
regular clothes. They'll bring you to the
1:10:28
courthouse. The probation office is at the
1:10:31
courthouse. That's why they'll bring you
1:10:32
here. When you get here, you'll meet
1:10:34
with the probation officer. Mister Ham will go over the
1:10:37
probation with you. They'll actually questions you
1:10:39
have, they'll give you a copy. The rules in riding and then
1:10:42
you'll be free to leave Mr. Taylor.
1:10:44
If you call friends or family, you can tell them you Can be
1:10:46
picked up by the courthouse and probably 30 to 45 minutes.
1:10:48
Mr. Do you have any questions? To get my license.
1:10:57
Is there any way I could apply for, like a hardship?
1:10:59
But I looked into it. And there's no there's no such
1:11:05
thing as me. I don't have a there's no judge
1:11:08
that can order DHS and be to give you a court order that's
1:11:11
impossible. What can happen is, Mr. Goodson
1:11:14
can take a look at your driving record and he's a probation
1:11:17
officer, kind of our resident expert on driver's license,
1:11:20
these very knowledgeable in that area but he could probably take
1:11:24
a look at your driving record and tell you whether or not you
1:11:26
may qualify for work permit. And what you would have to do,
1:11:29
you'll be expected to get a driver's license.
1:11:31
If one is a reason to be available to you, some people
1:11:33
got to pay a ticket and get a license.
1:11:35
And that's all there is to it. Some people as much more
1:11:37
complicated than that, and if you can't get one, you can't,
1:11:40
but you'll be expected to at least look into it and make an
1:11:43
effort. So Mr. Be the one asked that
1:11:45
question. Okay.
1:11:46
Yes, I heard her say about a High Cost Of Vines and things
1:11:54
like that. They will work out a clerk's
1:11:56
office in the state will work out payment plans and that way
1:11:59
you can get your losses when you need to make those payments you
1:12:02
agree to with them. Then you'll Keep your answers if
1:12:05
it's Financial. I think there are five unpaid
1:12:08
tickets from Washington County when I looked that's what this
1:12:11
when she played. That's what was on the video,
1:12:12
Mr. Mitchell, I guess. I don't know if it makes a
1:12:16
difference but I guess for purposes of the record and maybe
1:12:18
to help her out, we can put on the disposition letter that the
1:12:20
state has no objection to a work permit or a hardship license.
1:12:24
It may help her, it may not but can't hurt the criminal.
1:12:28
The state's input on the Civil matter.
1:12:29
Doesn't think in case. Yeah.
1:12:31
It's like my input. She's got she's got to comply
1:12:34
with DHS and B they're their own.
1:12:35
They're only like she did the guy to pay tickets or enroll in
1:12:39
a payment plan, Mr. McDaniel said and then she make qualify,
1:12:42
I think And Jackson County another County.
1:12:48
So our clerk, Mr. Williams says you've got a criminal court
1:12:51
Carlson fines and Washington, County.
1:12:52
Paid to something that probably was driving a lot since over
1:12:56
there. I think that's.
1:12:57
So you probably just a few minutes.
1:12:59
Okay, okay. Thank you, Mr. Right, Daniel,
1:13:02
anything else from the public defender's office?
1:13:04
This morning know you're and Copeland anything else?
1:13:07
No. I already friends.
1:13:11
Good morning. Once again.
1:13:12
Happy Wednesday. All of you.
1:13:14
Let's let's head back up to the cold.
1:13:17
North Judge mom. And for worse for American
1:13:21
Airlines, he's been stranded in Charlotte.
1:13:22
He called last night, and I asked if he could call in to
1:13:25
confirm, I haven't heard back, but he has been trying to get
1:13:29
back early. They were snowed in over the
1:13:30
weekend and that's installing the base.
1:13:32
And its on Base is Charlotte. Yes, he leaves here and works
1:13:35
there every week. Well, I guess you got to start
1:13:37
somewhere and they sent off. So, you know, they fly when
1:13:42
their seats available and he couldn't get a flight back
1:13:45
yesterday. He was trying to get back this
1:13:46
morning. I believe he'll be home, Prophet
1:13:49
like me to bring him into steps and I'm not making this up when
1:13:53
he okay. So that's two this.
1:13:56
Um, we've already a dirt, we are already a journeyed it once.
1:14:01
However, That was not his. Schedule, that was based upon
1:14:09
Council schedule. So I will indicate that
1:14:12
defendant not president. So we will adjourn to February
1:14:34
5th, which is tomorrow, he's home today.
1:14:36
No, he's coming home, based on bringing him in tomorrow, right?
1:14:39
He's coming home today, okay? For arraignment, only thank you.
1:14:41
You are and I spoke with the clerk and we can handle it.
1:14:44
Next week, we read about, please on the saw bringing back next
1:14:47
week or weekly if that works really important.
1:14:52
I'm not gonna We're Not Gonna burn the total time.
1:14:54
She'll get rid of it. Properly.
1:14:58
Okay, I'll see you both back tomorrow.
1:15:00
Oh, I'm sorry. What time galley?
1:15:04
I'll probably 8:30, probably. Okay, we'll see that tomorrow
1:15:09
morning. Right on that one.
1:15:10
I mean, another one here. Yes, I think you do.
1:15:12
By the way. Robert we go back on the case.
1:15:16
Oh, I just want to look at the court, know that.
1:15:18
I understand that he may have had some contact with your
1:15:22
children and coaching and weighed any vegetables.
1:15:25
Okay, yes, I was going to address that tomorrow.
1:15:27
Okay. I don't see any conflict there.
1:15:30
I mean this is just a simple just a mirror charge.
1:15:32
I don't see a problem. So Okay.
1:15:35
Thank you. Okay.
1:15:36
If you want to do my other one, I'll leave.
1:15:38
I don't know because Mr. Du Bois is not in here right now.
1:15:43
I have Smeagol. Papers.
1:15:46
I thought you have Jennifer Jackson.
1:15:49
Who's phone is that all phones are to be off.
1:15:54
You don't have Jennifer Jackson. I have Jackson.
1:15:57
She's just got out of the hospital, this stroke and I got
1:15:59
a nose and said it was next week.
1:16:00
I told him don't hurry in. So the shelves as we go next,
1:16:04
okay? So let me just move that.
1:16:06
And then who's the other one you have?
1:16:08
The appearance program ever made in his legal SMI, egl James.
1:16:13
Yeah, okay. Okay.
1:16:15
So do you have your parents now? There's no talking in court.
1:16:18
Please remove your hat. Excuse me, sir.
1:16:21
Excuse me. Your hat comes off.
1:16:22
You're in court. Thank you.
1:16:23
And there's no talking court. If you want to have the time,
1:16:25
let's see him. You can continue to have that
1:16:27
conversation in the lobby. okay, so tell if you can, just make
1:16:33
sure you're getting that appearance stuff in the file,
1:16:37
All right, so let's go on the record in the matter, the city
1:16:39
of why not. For his James?
1:16:40
Smeagol 251665. Give your full name speak.
1:16:46
Clearly nobly James, Walter schmiegel.
1:16:49
All right, thank you. And thank you for trusting,
1:16:51
appropriately for court. Change the scheduled for the
1:16:54
arraignment and free trial in this matter and Council Destiny,
1:16:59
Raymond role. Wave the rating after Georgia
1:17:01
standard you in early about guilty and we're prepared to
1:17:04
receive. Once you do that, that you said
1:17:06
final conditions people All right, the court will be the
1:17:09
former reading enter a plea of not guilty for purposes of the
1:17:12
arraignment and then as to the pretrial console rather they
1:17:15
made a generous of the edit on operative Mobility visibility
1:17:18
here. In subject of alcohol is
1:17:20
complete, the blood alcohol results.
1:17:21
Point two, four, And it is driving.
1:17:25
We escorted simply don't cross the original charge editing TV.
1:17:30
There's a blood analysis in the file that shows blood leveling.
1:17:34
Syrup. Please raise your right hand.
1:17:35
She saw me square or from a testimony about to keep in this
1:17:38
man and be the truth. The whole truth and nothing.
1:17:39
But the truth. Yes, you're on it.
1:17:41
And you heard the plea that was placed on the record.
1:17:43
Correct? Yes.
1:17:43
To the amended charge of operating visibly impaired.
1:17:49
How do you please? Guilty, you've got over your
1:17:52
advice to fight with your attorney, correct?
1:17:54
Yes, you're on. And you understand all of those
1:17:56
rights restaurant, you also want to see him by entering into play
1:18:00
that you'll be leaving some of those rights.
1:18:02
Restaurant. You understand the possible
1:18:04
penalty has the results of your team whether in this court and
1:18:07
any other court or administrative agency?
1:18:09
Yes, you're on. You also understand.
1:18:13
I'm sorry, knowing all that. Do you want to continue with
1:18:15
your plea? Yes.
1:18:16
Has anybody promised you? Anything threatened people or
1:18:20
student? Anyway if you enter into a place
1:18:21
oh you're honor any immigration issues.
1:18:23
Know if you can please borrow your client or sure on the date.
1:18:28
In question number Festival, 11, November 5th of 2025 you are
1:18:32
already able to say that was the city one.
1:18:34
Is that correct prior to operating that vehicle?
1:18:37
You would consume the alcohol beverages you would estimate 10
1:18:40
would be like a good start right?
1:18:42
Yes, they were out all of Beverages and you were drinking
1:18:45
at a licensed Liquors down and they drove home that correct.
1:18:48
Correct? You're driving.
1:18:49
You track the attention of the wind out police officer to what
1:18:52
you went over. Laying markers you stopped at a
1:18:55
passenger Crossing path and then accelerated, what appear to be a
1:18:58
Irish bees. That correct.
1:18:59
Correct. And then you were giving a blood
1:19:01
test at the hospital which results in two to four.
1:19:04
You have no reason to just have resulted Blair know, you're not
1:19:08
in other words. Yes, you're not contesting.
1:19:12
More than enough judge. All right, and then you were all
1:19:15
fail to maintain your lien as well.
1:19:18
Correct. Yes you're honest.
1:19:20
The court satisfy. The play is knowing voluntary
1:19:22
and factually accurate. The court will accept your plea
1:19:24
to the amended charge. It's missed the original charge
1:19:26
per the two original chargers for the plea agreement.
1:19:30
And then, as to sentencing Council judge, you pick a date.
1:19:35
Us to the bond, Mr. I'm sorry. That's the bond.
1:19:38
Yes. Well agree with that, I had A
1:19:42
rough start here. Two people actually know Mr.
1:19:47
Smigiel is a stolte school district.
1:19:49
We asked for a reasonable personal Bond.
1:19:52
He's been here. He's presenter himself, says the
1:19:54
staff and and I don't think he's looking to see all those like
1:19:57
the oven props with him. We appearing.
1:19:58
All right. Answer.
1:20:00
Which, where do you teach and your boy?
1:20:02
Okay. And how long have you been
1:20:04
there? Um, two years.
1:20:07
And if you're at a test right now, what's in your system?
1:20:09
Nothing You got any medication? Oh, like for blood pressure and
1:20:15
stuff like that, okay. And Have you ever fail to appear
1:20:19
in court for any reason? No.
1:20:21
Are you currently out on bond? Know any other jurisdiction,
1:20:24
know any probation or parole know?
1:20:29
Sir. It's a very high level that's
1:20:37
Involved in this matter. The court wants to work on bad.
1:20:42
He's very lucky today. Yes the court wants to ensure
1:20:45
the safety of the public and this matters.
1:20:48
Well so the Court's going to order the following Bond
1:20:51
conditions, you're not too possessed.
1:20:53
A consume any alcohol or drugs unless prescribed and you are to
1:20:56
participate in random testing and the Court's going to order
1:21:01
7500 personal Bond. Thank you.
1:21:05
So you're going to go over to probation sir, you're going to
1:21:07
get a copy of your bond conditions.
1:21:08
You'll get a link for your needs assessment as well as paperwork
1:21:11
for your presenters interview. Then you will also receive your
1:21:14
dates for present is interview and then you're sentencing date,
1:21:17
which Council you can coordinate with your calendars locked.
1:21:21
Thank you traveling. Thank you.
1:21:26
All right, we will keep an eye on Judge to Santos, Corp.
1:21:28
Probably come back later. But let's head to us, time to
1:21:32
see John Stevens. Something he's working hard rock
1:21:37
on here to say that without laughing.
1:21:39
He goes. Good with that.
1:21:41
Laughing it Used to color, is it?
1:21:54
and, And you or charge here. In 25, a c or 722 with a third
1:22:02
degree. Felony.
1:22:04
Of. Illegal possession of a firearm
1:22:06
by a convicted felon, which carries with it.
1:22:09
You probably appreciate. Carries with it up to 10 years
1:22:14
in prison. If convicted.
1:22:15
Do you understand? Oh, are you still at 100 Ninth
1:22:20
Street? Okay, yeah.
1:22:24
We're still working through Discovery, we're asking for free
1:22:28
preset. Always, okay. and,
1:22:49
Other than that, case, out of hairstyle County.
1:22:53
That conviction of Harris County to see him anything else.
1:22:55
But you know what, Know, your honor?
1:22:59
I don't have this. Seemed surprised that was a
1:23:03
felony. Actually, I served, that's the
1:23:07
only see, okay, and he has a GPS monitor.
1:23:10
I think you ordered it last time he does appear, he has it on and
1:23:13
he was All right. Get her resetting for.
1:23:16
Okay, thank you. Yes, me.
1:23:19
A Ross Owens. That you would and 25 C or five.
1:23:33
Three three here, you sir or charged with second degree?
1:23:38
Felony, even habitation. Pairing with the two top years.
1:23:44
And prison. And what are we doing today?
1:23:46
I guess you're honors around. We're still working for
1:23:49
discovery on this one as well. I believe it's can you just came
1:23:52
To talk to her. And that's no.
1:23:55
That's, that's big violation of his rules.
1:23:58
He can only have one resetting during an announcement, a
1:24:02
doctor. Didn't we make that rule last
1:24:08
time James? Yeah, that's what.
1:24:17
It's not real old and I'm like, granted is four weeks going to
1:24:21
be good. Yes, everyone and certainly.
1:24:23
Are you still at 445? Yes.
1:24:26
One. Please get a resetting.
1:24:28
Thank you. Pamela first.
1:24:37
Good morning. Good to have you here.
1:24:38
I don't know if we've seen you here before or not, but I'm
1:24:40
guessing not because you're saying we're going to different
1:24:42
courtrooms. That is what we do here at TCF
1:24:44
live. We move around the country.
1:24:46
We check out different, courtrooms different
1:24:49
perspectives, different cases. We don't just settle on one
1:24:52
thing here. So sit back and enjoy Marsh
1:24:55
here. That you.
1:24:57
And what about Sheena Miller? Is she in the custody know,
1:25:02
she's and she's leaving? That's her.
1:25:05
Okay, you can be seated. There in Porter.
1:25:13
It, he needs to talk to me personally.
1:25:16
About it, Mr. because I told him I've already had a long talk
1:25:23
about, The way home and that's he's come right out of the box
1:25:28
and this. Not following what we talked
1:25:31
about. Okay, let's see.
1:25:37
In 25, CR 335 serve you or Darren Porter with Mr. Second.
1:25:49
Yeah, let anyone take a note that takes, can you stick?
1:25:53
I need to talk to him personally because we had made, we had some
1:25:59
chess and commitments and they're not being followed.
1:26:04
On Mr. Make it on Mr. Porter know.
1:26:20
Okay, this is where we're in. This is a difficult one here,
1:26:24
it's talking about visual fell on this one.
1:26:27
He charges and second degree felony of burglary of a
1:26:31
habitation in paragraph one. He's been convicted it states in
1:26:35
89 and the old days burglary of a building which was a felony
1:26:39
back then. And then there after its
1:26:43
alleges, that he after, that was fine.
1:26:47
He did the foundation was all the child.
1:26:49
A second degree felony and was Also, convicted next door in
1:26:54
2005 and then now this happens. So, if all of this is true,
1:26:59
you're looking at a minimum of 20, minimum of 25 years in
1:27:03
prison, minimum to life in prison, you understand Yeah,
1:27:10
that's easy to understand. I mean it's numbers and it's you
1:27:14
get punished not only for the prime but for criminal history.
1:27:19
So criminal history can In hands the punishment range and it
1:27:27
does. In this case, And that's why I
1:27:29
always tell people don't commit rights.
1:27:33
I'd be out of a job and I think I, I like it.
1:27:36
It'd be a better world. That's what I want.
1:27:37
I do world. I see in the Bible says, as
1:27:45
father motion to increase Bond. That's true.
1:27:47
That's fine. January 22nd.
1:27:50
That's for today's tip for you. What is his bond?
1:28:03
Students. So you don't have that over,
1:28:07
certainly sounds. Very quickly.
1:29:18
Michael, thank you for gifting a membership.
1:29:22
Very much appreciate that joining us from the dentist
1:29:25
office. This morning, I assume
1:29:46
Okay. You can see where we are here.
1:29:52
We're prepared to go forward with a hearing the honor on this
1:29:56
allegation. What does that mean?
1:30:00
I mean the trial he's not well it's gonna be a trial on the
1:30:04
case in Chief but Mr. Ham has made some allegations that he's
1:30:09
threatening with a witness. And we're prepared to just
1:30:15
follow these. All right?
1:30:17
Wait, what do you want to present?
1:30:20
Oh yeah, my Witnesses outside the right outside.
1:30:24
The court, like to call her. If you want to just checking to
1:30:28
see, if you want to do it from the table, or from here.
1:30:34
Griffin. Hi.
1:30:44
This month, I don't believe was set by me.
1:30:47
I think it was by Justice of the Peace in this.
1:30:50
Yes, and what's right off the bat on the Four Corners is the
1:30:56
grand jury indicted, you for burglary of a habitation.
1:30:59
But you have a burglary of a building conviction in 1989.
1:31:04
Burglaries or burglaries, or burglaries.
1:31:08
That concerns me, he received a five year sales for that judge.
1:31:12
I wonder why that didn't make an impact.
1:31:17
I'm speaking for Brooklyn. Why is that wouldn't make it
1:31:19
impacts? Like touching a stove getting
1:31:22
hurt. You got five years and put them
1:31:24
at rights for the Burden you just okay.
1:31:28
You are for another Burger. Now, we're present in a sense
1:31:33
but That can't affect the bond because it's a similar time
1:31:38
crime. Raise your right hand and you
1:31:44
saw me swear or from the testimony you were about to give
1:31:47
shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth
1:31:49
will help you guys. Yes.
1:31:50
Hello your hand, thank you. Go ahead and stay tuned for the
1:31:53
record. And do you know, a man by the
1:31:57
name of Darren, Dwayne Porter. Yes.
1:31:59
Do you see him here in the courtroom today?
1:32:01
And you point to him and identifying something that he's
1:32:05
wearing and I met the record reflects, she identified that he
1:32:10
did. And how do you know?
1:32:12
Mr. Porter. Against the family lived
1:32:16
together for six years. So time is going to be relevant
1:32:20
here. I was gonna ask you, I bet you
1:32:23
were I stepped on what when we get married.
1:32:25
And what? Period not married engaged.
1:32:27
Okay. What period of time was saying?
1:32:32
Thank you. All right, so and that's that's
1:32:34
where I was headed. The engagement ended a month
1:32:38
after this particular charge. Are you familiar with the charge
1:32:43
that he received of an office of murder?
1:32:46
Hepatitis supposed to have curled on January 5th, 2025 and
1:32:51
has Mr. Porter had conversations with you about that date.
1:32:56
What were the nature of those conversations?
1:33:02
Arrest. And I had already moved out of
1:33:04
his time and he asked me, if I would be willing to write a
1:33:10
letter for him, fading what he wanted me to say and he offered
1:33:14
to pay me $100 to do it, right? So put it in common
1:33:18
nomenclature. He was asking you to be his
1:33:20
Alibi. Witness.
1:33:20
Yeah. Where you are.
1:33:22
Perfect. Yes, sir.
1:33:23
Of course. And we actually talked about the
1:33:26
amount of money that he offered. You can you tell the judge what
1:33:28
that was hundred dollars? So that really much in the big
1:33:32
picture of things, but he was seeking your testimony asking
1:33:36
you to basically be a paid witness for him and almost yes.
1:33:41
How did you react to that? For him. and that, that time
1:33:48
was, He asked you to purchase yourself.
1:33:51
Yeah. Okay, maybe I'm stepping on you,
1:33:54
go ahead, right? So specifically, he was asking
1:33:57
you to say what? He was asking me to specifically
1:34:01
state. Things that were in the back of.
1:34:05
The truck. According to what he said, we're
1:34:09
in the back of his truck, when he left the house that morning
1:34:12
that were not there, right? So, he was asking to remember,
1:34:15
back to January 5th and state certain things about it.
1:34:18
Yeah. And the things he asked you
1:34:21
were, yeah. And that's where your problem
1:34:24
was, right? Yeah.
1:34:25
At that time. Was he represented by a
1:34:28
different lawyer? Did you advise them?
1:34:32
That there was a problem in that regard?
1:34:34
Yeah. Who was that?
1:34:37
That was Brian Lane, was it? yeah, and you actually know his
1:34:42
assistant and that yeah, and you talked with her about that,
1:34:46
right specifically that she advised you to just be truthful
1:34:54
about what whatever testimony, right do not control.
1:35:01
Right. So did you write the letter here
1:35:02
today? I did not.
1:35:04
He did not. I wrote.
1:35:09
A letter. One, when he got it.
1:35:14
He crumbled it up. Past me the finger and tell me.
1:35:18
It was not what he needed for me to say so, That I'm not gonna
1:35:24
say anything I'm not alive. So whenever you found out that
1:35:29
we had this Case here. Did you actually contact me in
1:35:35
regards to some of the things that were taking place?
1:35:37
Yeah. Did you volunteers?
1:35:40
Come in and give us a statement. Yes.
1:35:42
Did you do that? In fact, be a video.
1:35:45
Yes. Other than you had a chance to
1:35:49
see that statement. It's it's a part of the
1:35:51
discovery. Okay.
1:35:52
I just was gonna make sure Mr. Macon has an opportunity in
1:35:58
English. Delicious, thank you.
1:35:59
And in addition to that, did you provide text messages that you
1:36:04
received from him about his? Attempts, I call it influencing
1:36:10
your test run, but obviously, we're covering a lot of things
1:36:12
here. And have you told me you didn't
1:36:16
want to be involved? Yeah, as she continued to try to
1:36:19
contact you in that regard. Yeah.
1:36:23
Hold on, help me out on dates or times.
1:36:26
Someone gets specific standard judge.
1:36:30
In fact, I advise you at some point in time that I let us
1:36:34
lawyer know what was going on and filed this motion to
1:36:38
increase. Do you remember that?
1:36:40
I told you for your safety, I'd let the lawyer know, Kind of be
1:36:45
aware that he may be contacting you.
1:36:47
Yes. What date was that?
1:36:48
January 20th. How much did he come here?
1:36:53
Okay. How much is he tried to contact
1:36:56
you since that date? So that was, that was the day
1:37:00
just tried the contact me. Yes.
1:37:02
Um, I don't know, I showed you the text messages, I eight or
1:37:06
nine and a missed phone call that same day, but didn't
1:37:09
answer. So, all on same day that we let
1:37:11
the lawyer know. And we filed the motion, he
1:37:15
contacted you with eight to nine different texts and attempted to
1:37:18
call you. Yeah.
1:37:19
Are you aware that advice is lawyer that the contact needed
1:37:23
to stop? Yes, I was not.
1:37:24
I didn't tell you that in our phone conversation.
1:37:27
No, you didn't tell me that good. we'll show you what I
1:37:39
Know, these, the text messages that you provided to her
1:37:45
offices. Yes, sir.
1:37:46
What? So this is quite interesting
1:38:14
what we've stumbled in here too. Just to bring you up to speed in
1:38:17
case you joined recently. All right, this guy in front of
1:38:21
in front of Judge for other charges, they're bringing up the
1:38:25
fact that looks like he tried to buy a witness.
1:38:28
Or like this. It's only the darker colored
1:38:34
format. That's basic messenger
1:38:36
Methodist. Thank you.
1:38:38
That's what I asked. You have you received by what
1:38:40
method? Thank you messenger.
1:38:42
All right. so if we look at States exhibit two, that's one
1:38:46
with a lighter background What texting message was?
1:38:51
This regular phone fixing. All right?
1:38:54
So it's a little bit on yourself.
1:38:55
So this was Just States two states.
1:38:58
One is be a social media texting.
1:39:03
Up in you be certain that it's very important that since these
1:39:07
Saints. You be, these means prior to the
1:39:18
States. First, six years.
1:39:19
Yes. So we looked at one, Individual
1:39:24
Brothers. Sending those messages?
1:39:27
Yes that's his middle name is the line.
1:39:30
So how do you know him the picture?
1:39:32
All Facebook and Facebook Messenger?
1:39:35
Yeah that's our dog. are the dates and Actually these I see a
1:39:41
tile of 602. You know, what date that was
1:39:44
received? How that that's from my phone.
1:39:48
In it Mr. Turner. Okay.
1:39:51
I mean, I could go back and look at the dates that were on it.
1:39:55
But that last page often because for, yeah, most of these were,
1:40:00
during the summer time, that's right before his first court
1:40:04
date. He had, he was trying to get me
1:40:06
to do the letter. So for me assume that these are
1:40:10
August 4th of 2025, a switch over to this is a bit of DC
1:40:18
there. Yeah.
1:40:20
That are you identifying him in your cell phone?
1:40:22
Yes, sir. these are noted with the Jade sort of care to be
1:40:29
August 4th and sometimes It's out of 2025.
1:40:33
Yes sir! Yeah, he went back and forth
1:40:35
between the two was mentioned, you need to alternate and you
1:40:45
said before, They are admitted. All right, so let's start with
1:40:55
stage one. The Facebook Messenger.
1:41:00
What is what's the gist of what the judge supposed to be getting
1:41:04
here out of this conversation there?
1:41:11
Let's get down to business. What is the help of the
1:41:15
business? You don't need to write him that
1:41:17
letter, and then it's just telling me that he's been
1:41:24
accountable, right? So that's just a state's
1:41:26
different one. States did too.
1:41:33
Around August 4th, where at some point in time, did you have been
1:41:37
blocked and then unblocked know he had blocks me and then he
1:41:41
unblocked me. And then he was acting with that
1:41:44
lunch yet. I told him not yet, but I was
1:41:46
going to be there shortly and he said, okay.
1:41:49
And then, he kept on about asking me about Was I going to
1:41:55
help him? Are you going to help me?
1:41:58
Just tell me if you're going to help me.
1:42:00
I've told you, I would compensate you.
1:42:03
All of that. In fact in this message, there's
1:42:06
a reference about the offer. I made a reporters or not, is
1:42:11
that a yes. Yes, sir.
1:42:16
That's clearly talking about the situation.
1:42:19
What he's doing with right? Yes, sir, it's clearly thought
1:42:22
about it. It was 25 to life and then 15
1:42:27
years and yeah. Clearly talk about it.
1:42:31
This paragraph here but she begins with basically she talked
1:42:36
about the facts the case in the allegations.
1:42:38
Yeah. Yes.
1:42:40
I mean to put in the letter too. So he wanted you to say,
1:42:47
Basically, because basically, again, it's nothing but Horn of
1:42:50
a finger. Like I said, in the first
1:42:52
report, nothing is said about a house.
1:42:55
Secretary portal. So, there's a window raise, and
1:42:58
a bold and cored out this conflicting stories. on two
1:43:03
separate days, you just can't, he was playing on the first
1:43:07
floor yet, Bob, more Line's You could have used.
1:43:11
I'm going to take the picture of both of them.
1:43:18
It's cut off there and showing tonight.
1:43:21
Yeah. What's your referencing?
1:43:23
There he is. Referencing the victims
1:43:26
testimony. That's right.
1:43:27
He's written statement to the police.
1:43:30
He said that it changed multiple times, there was one version in
1:43:35
the beginning and then it changed to an extension cord
1:43:40
then taking out of the window. And that's what he was saying
1:43:45
that there was five additional lines originally on the first
1:43:50
statements at the man could have put that and he didn't that he
1:43:52
changed his story and added more stuff.
1:43:54
And so that's what he was telling me about.
1:43:57
Right? So I'm a little fuzzy here.
1:43:59
Are you talking about? The complainant is she referring
1:44:01
to the yes, the complaint it in the burger.
1:44:04
Have a habitation Yes, and I'm also I'm a little fuzzy about
1:44:09
this. What is the connection of the
1:44:11
defendant to this building this home?
1:44:15
In some Old Judge. I don't there's not a
1:44:18
connection. What's the connection of the
1:44:21
defendant to the complainant? Oh, he didn't know the
1:44:29
complainant and he does not know the house.
1:44:32
Oh, this just shows in it random.
1:44:35
Yes, sir. There are other facts, okay?
1:44:40
All right, so you know that was her home before or they were
1:44:44
living in or something that was Fuzzy.
1:44:46
So these messages and specifically the last little bit
1:44:51
we were talking about is him trying to get you to write that
1:44:54
letter? Yeah.
1:44:55
And which you're not done. No.
1:44:58
And now that we fought to the Court's attention.
1:45:02
What text did? He what text did he send you on
1:45:08
January 26th? I launched her phone and Rita.
1:45:15
Are you asking for Stacey exhibit two?
1:45:17
To be placed in that I asked for Most states?
1:45:19
One and two and I believe there were no objection stretch on
1:45:22
there. If I Didn't.
1:45:26
First he tried to contact me at home and around 2:35 January
1:45:32
25th. Yeah, and I did not answer and
1:45:36
he sent me a message on Facebook Messenger.
1:45:39
At 2:36 p.m. and just said my name Mary.
1:45:45
At 3:12. I message back and said, do not
1:45:49
contact me again as I was instructed by the va's office.
1:45:54
He messaged me again and said, what do I do with your mail?
1:45:59
I haven't lived with him over a year and he's just now asking me
1:46:04
where to send my mail. Didn't he specifically asked for
1:46:07
your address? No he didn't.
1:46:10
Okay he just asked what to do with my mouth.
1:46:12
Okay and I simply replied three letters.
1:46:16
RTS return to send her and I said that's true and reply you
1:46:21
you gave on January 26th so 20 seconds, that's correct.
1:46:26
Have you repeatedly asked him to stop contact and you?
1:46:29
This is the last time I asked him to do, not contact me.
1:46:32
I have not replied to any of the other messages that came after
1:46:36
that. About cover to the extent of
1:46:39
what he's talked with you about me.
1:46:41
Yeah. All right up to Suites.
1:46:44
Going missions. Miss Griffin.
1:46:47
You had a six-year relationship with Mr. Porter.
1:46:51
Yes, and it ended and he subsequently Got married.
1:46:57
Just Another Woman. Correct?
1:46:58
No, that's not how I in it. If he get married to another
1:47:04
one, I don't have any idea what his personal life is.
1:47:08
Okay. Didn't you and Mr. Porter.
1:47:17
Have a bunch of controversy over 10,000 dollars that was missing
1:47:21
know. Didn't he alone, you nine
1:47:25
thousand dollars for your son know.
1:47:38
I'm okay, but she's denying that, but I'm curious what that
1:47:43
has to do with the subject matter that we How's that
1:47:47
related to this hearing? You know, I I've lost, I'm lost
1:47:51
on that one, but she she's denying it.
1:47:53
So, Then the questions of attorneys do not talk to any
1:47:57
others. I'll pass it for the questions
1:48:00
is witness asked. It should be excused, I wouldn't
1:48:03
use the poor that just What is the relationship?
1:48:10
To this witness in the state's case, here in this indictment.
1:48:15
if she wasn't going to be witness, until she reached out
1:48:18
to me and told me that he was trying to purchase her Alibi
1:48:21
testimony so I'll be bringing her in the states, case in
1:48:26
Chief, if this case goes to trial, and you talk about this,
1:48:30
Burglary of a habitation indirect in this caused number.
1:48:32
We're here for any time a defendant trust to solicit
1:48:35
testimony be paid or otherwise I will bring them in to come test.
1:48:47
It is a crime of a person commits and the offense of in
1:48:51
tampering with a witness which is with intent to influence a
1:48:55
witness. He offers confers or grease to
1:48:58
confer any benefit on a witness or perspective witness in an
1:49:01
official proceeding such as an indicted case in my court or he
1:49:06
coerces a witness or perspective witness in an official
1:49:09
proceeding and one. To testify falsely is the first
1:49:14
thing out of the box. Or two to withhold in any
1:49:19
testimony information, documents so things.
1:49:24
And there are three other. methods of committing such a
1:49:33
crime, but I think what your testimony that you're standing
1:49:37
behind is section 36.05. Subpart A subpart 1 to testify
1:49:45
falsely. yes, and that is a felony of the third degree.
1:49:54
Which carries with it up to 10 years in prison. if you have
1:49:58
prior, Convictions, such as these. in this listed in this
1:50:03
indictment, then you're looking at another habitual felony.
1:50:10
Yes, you need anything from this lady.
1:50:15
You may not be seated. What's the state and ending to
1:50:22
do with that subject matter? We don't, as we don't typically
1:50:32
like to intake. Matters that our office.
1:50:37
I'll probably refer it to a separate law enforcement agency,
1:50:41
to finish the investigation and look at determining the filing
1:50:46
of this additional criminal charge.
1:50:48
Anything else you want to add on this?
1:50:50
Not as far as evidence goes. Just what do you do?
1:50:53
You want to? Yes, you are the defendant.
1:51:03
Dennis would you please tell the jury that we're going to need to
1:51:07
for them to relax and it's going to be about 30 more minutes
1:51:10
because of some matters that have Arisen.
1:51:12
Thank you, raise your right hand.
1:51:14
He's on the Square or firm. Any statement you make during
1:51:17
this hearing shall be the truth. The hopefully and nothing but
1:51:19
the truth, so happy he got. And lower your hands still in.
1:51:23
Did you have a relationship Mary Griffin?
1:51:28
Yes, 2018 to 2020, okay. and, Did you talk to her about
1:51:39
writing a letter? What was in the back of your
1:51:42
truck? So what has been That's a yes or
1:51:48
no. Yes, and he can ask this did you
1:51:52
ask her to lie or tell an untruth at any time?
1:51:57
No sir. There's been talk about your
1:52:01
offer to compensate. Her was that for the letter or
1:52:04
for something else. That was the letter, but the
1:52:09
compensation that I was still be there for her.
1:52:11
You know, she needed me because she had just called me and I
1:52:16
helped her in the last three weeks prior because her son, I
1:52:20
had no contact with him since March.
1:52:21
And so, she called me and Destroyed because her son had a
1:52:27
heart attack. And he was, and if I be there
1:52:30
for her, and I should sure and so compassionately, I did, and I
1:52:36
gave her money to for snacks up there to hospitals, and so
1:52:40
forth, brought her food and then afterwards, she said, well,
1:52:44
what's gonna do for you and I said, well, I need some help,
1:52:47
you know, I need to, to help me out and, and be a witness, you
1:52:50
know, because you know, what was in the back of my truck and I
1:52:53
said, and I told her and I committed words to takes about
1:52:56
just that I called and say her, which man, I would still be her
1:53:00
person, which is in that text message and those monetary
1:53:04
value. Impact.
1:53:06
Well, did you subsequently after breaking up with Miss Griffin?
1:53:13
Get married. Yes I did and I was told her I
1:53:18
was getting married in November. She tried to call call me back
1:53:21
to get back with her on the November 24th.
1:53:24
I told her there was no way too much water under the bridge too
1:53:27
much control and too much trying to just keep me worn down.
1:53:30
More down, more down, control control control, and another
1:53:34
one's enough, and I went on to better my life.
1:53:36
So, it's in. So with it it's her fault.
1:53:39
Sure, it's her fault. I was complete.
1:53:44
And well, I was so controlled that when I was reading my class
1:53:47
A CDL and they were two weeks before I went to take my test,
1:53:51
she begged me not to take his ass and they should give me 400
1:53:57
dollars at each one of her paychecks.
1:53:58
If I would just take the job that I got, because I've got
1:54:01
that way. She could continue with the
1:54:05
truckers on my truck, and there's no trackers on an 18
1:54:08
wheeler that much all. So therefore she didn't want me
1:54:11
to go anywhere. And I said I couldn't do it
1:54:13
anymore that I wanted. I want to work a bit of my life
1:54:17
and I wanted to work and I wanted to answer which company
1:54:21
And I've got my class A CDL, and then I got my Savage CDL on.
1:54:28
She left before I even got home from Longview from taking my
1:54:32
test. And then there was nothing from
1:54:38
March until June. He had a heart attack.
1:54:41
She called me out of the blue. I'd be there for you said yes.
1:54:43
And and that was it and I did and I did not ask for any
1:54:50
compensation as far as monetary value to get the letter.
1:54:54
She said that she would gladly and, She wrote the letter.
1:54:59
Um, I have a letter, I gave it to Mr. Mike and I did not call
1:55:04
it up and I did not clean her at her when she said it's intact.
1:55:17
And there's no pictures from being crumbled up. just as she
1:55:22
had a seven dollar relationship, my wife had sex messages and I
1:55:30
was scared of us alone. She knows we got married and
1:55:34
this is why she wants. You doing what she's doing.
1:55:40
Here. So hold on that.
1:55:43
I I'm just I'm a little confused here.
1:55:51
This takes exhibit one that's been introduced.
1:55:55
This is your these are your statements, right?
1:55:57
Yes, sir. I don't deny anyone.
1:55:59
It's just Mary, please. Are you going to help me or not?
1:56:03
Everything else is frivolous. Sounds like whether she helps
1:56:08
you or not is a primary importance to you.
1:56:11
What you do is none of my business.
1:56:13
That's why I don't ask and vice versa.
1:56:15
I told you I would compensate your helping me, you don't have
1:56:18
to, that's why I'm going to compensate.
1:56:20
That's the only thing we're dealing with right now.
1:56:23
Yes, there was any ingredients system, it was phone call of in
1:56:26
between a text message and we was talking.
1:56:28
And then I would I would and then she would get mad and hang
1:56:32
up, but in those phone calls. Well, hold on, I'm just fussy.
1:56:37
What is it? That You need her help with
1:56:41
since everything else in the world in your life.
1:56:45
And the existence on this planet is frivolous other than that
1:56:49
primary need of yours. What is this primary?
1:56:52
So that's that all consisted. What is your primary need that?
1:56:58
You're expressing in words here, you're going.
1:57:01
Please, are you going to help me or not?
1:57:04
Everything else is frivolous. This is the most important thing
1:57:08
right now. In existence in the universe,
1:57:10
what is this most important thing?
1:57:14
Yes, I should help in know. What is this important thing
1:57:17
that she of what? Sir your dancing around this
1:57:21
issue helping you? What Helping me with with this
1:57:26
case because this case although it was innocent.
1:57:30
She knows other than it. I would compensate your helping
1:57:34
me, yes, by being her person and I have that in the text message.
1:57:37
I will come out, which means I will.
1:57:40
Anytime that anything goes wrong in her life and she needs me.
1:57:44
I will be there, she always called me her person, even their
1:57:48
Nation called her son had a heart attack and said why you
1:57:50
calling me? She said, because you're my
1:57:52
person. Yeah.
1:57:54
Yeah. I know you're making this sound
1:57:57
so selfless on your part but you say, Or you going to help me or
1:58:02
not? Everything else is frivolous.
1:58:05
Yes, you are talking about relationship.
1:58:08
We can talk over every each other and that will be gonna
1:58:12
keep speaking over me. Let me speak, then you can speak
1:58:15
number one, it's rude. Not to number two, she has to
1:58:18
take all the standing. She can't take with two people
1:58:21
if he's down and I you seem to be a very aggressive controlling
1:58:25
kind of person but relax. Okay, you'll get your chance to
1:58:29
be sure. Here, are you going to help me
1:58:33
or not? Everything else is frivolous?
1:58:35
That's that's pretty succinct. This is whatever.
1:58:38
This is that your needs are. If this is your need, it's more
1:58:42
important than anything else in the universe.
1:58:44
According to you, what you do is none of my business.
1:58:47
That's why I don't ask advice first.
1:58:49
I told you, I would compensate you.
1:58:55
That's the only thing we're dealing with you're talking
1:58:58
about compensating. Her to help you.
1:59:01
In this case, Yes, sir. You see something wrong with
1:59:06
that. Because when somebody is a
1:59:11
witness that may help you have a right to get that and there's a
1:59:16
painted and they come under oath and face the pawn, the sanctions
1:59:20
that perjury can bring about people.
1:59:23
Better tell the truth. They don't get paid.
1:59:29
Or being a witnessed generally. But what is it?
1:59:33
You're paying her to say. And they're offered to pay.
1:59:37
Her always wait. That's what I would compensate
1:59:41
you're helping me. Didn't you say that there's a
1:59:45
monetary Wait, what compensation are you talking about?
1:59:54
In return, my conversation would be to help her anytime she
1:59:57
needed me. Oh, as I did, oh, whether it's
2:00:00
on just being a wonderful guy and that was yes, and I was okay
2:00:03
with no circuit here you've been convicted of felonies twice.
2:00:08
That's a character issue. Haven't you?
2:00:13
I'm sorry. That's where the grand jury says
2:00:15
that you were convicted of burglary of a building.
2:00:16
Which is Similar to what you're charged with your burglary would
2:00:21
have a patient. And then hold on and then sexual
2:00:25
assault of a child. You were convicted of that March
2:00:28
you and do you find that? Is that true?
2:00:31
Yes. Isn't that it serious?
2:00:34
He's very serious. Okay.
2:00:35
Oh, all right, what about the same token on each?
2:00:42
One of those cases. It was a finger point and my
2:00:44
lawyers done nothing, right? Kimbler I said, right there in
2:00:48
Walter's court and right Kimberly denied me and my father
2:00:51
witnesses to testify then straight up denied me, so it's
2:00:54
somebody else's phone. Well, I was baby.
2:00:57
Oh no, you said yes? Or no.
2:00:58
It's somebody else's boy. It was fall okay?
2:01:02
Or it was my blog. I didn't get a better lawyer, I
2:01:05
didn't know how to get okay but it was somebody didn't do their
2:01:07
job but you have been convicted twice on two separate in two
2:01:12
separate serious offenses and you're saying that wasn't your
2:01:15
fault. No, sir.
2:01:18
Was that right in court sir? Were you found guilty?
2:01:23
You have a right to appeal. Did you appeal those cases and
2:01:26
what were the results of the appeals ma?
2:01:28
They were a firmed working. No sir, Brian?
2:01:31
No no sir. Have they been overturned?
2:01:36
I'm working on this shut until they are overturned a
2:01:40
conviction. He is back.
2:01:41
So unless it's over time, Can you not like to see the, you
2:01:48
know? This and future that you're
2:01:53
looking into. But You're talking about, we're
2:01:58
talking about a conviction first of all, in 1989, that's 40, 40
2:02:03
years. 11 30, some odd years ago. 37 years ago. and, you
2:02:11
know, That appeal is weight out of time.
2:02:15
So the only thing you would have would be a writ of habeas
2:02:18
corpus. Is that what's being done?
2:02:20
I didn't try no sir. It was a it was so you're not
2:02:22
appealing that case. No sir.
2:02:24
That's what I thought you had to as a little while you know.
2:02:27
All right. So in the next one is 2005.
2:02:30
That was over 20 years ago. Yes.
2:02:32
You're you don't have much of an appeal at this time, you may
2:02:36
have a rip but an appeal is weight overdue.
2:02:39
Know I started these fill in 2018 to your doctor, I got out
2:02:43
and I was okay, in that eight years ago.
2:02:46
Yes. Okay.
2:02:47
What's the result of it? I don't know what's happening.
2:02:50
He was A conviction is valid, unless it's overturned unless
2:02:58
that happened, you can sit there all day long and cry foul, but
2:03:02
it's the way it is, but you have to convictions, and they make up
2:03:06
part of this case, and it's punishment, which subjects used
2:03:10
2581 a while, but States exhibit one.
2:03:18
Which is part of the record clearly states.
2:03:22
And you've made it clear that you're referring to this case
2:03:26
and you're willing to compensate her propelled in this case and
2:03:30
that seems pretty clear Sure. What else do you want to ask?
2:03:37
questions, you Don't there, I want to ask you in regards to
2:03:43
just this issue. I've got plenty of other things.
2:03:46
I'd like to talk about. But I want to know if you're
2:03:49
going to admit that you texted her January 26th.
2:03:54
Of 2026 a week ago. Yeah, just a week ago after you
2:03:59
found out about this motion. Did you in fact engage in text
2:04:03
that lady right out? Just like she testified.
2:04:08
I know, yes or no. Yes, but complain.
2:04:14
I know I did. I didn't know who this, what you
2:04:16
can have? You're gonna tell me that this
2:04:18
one? Let him finish please go in.
2:04:21
I had no idea. Yes, I'm coming to him and we
2:04:24
call this whole time. It was another woman named
2:04:26
Denise. That so 10000 dollars from her
2:04:28
my wife, I had no idea that it was just personal.
2:04:32
So, it's just our product that the same day that you talked
2:04:36
him. Is when you reached out her, I
2:04:38
restarted because I got a letter in the mail that was opened
2:04:42
already and on the ground. And it showed me musical course
2:04:45
immediately. And I said she had a ticket that
2:04:49
out of it. I don't have any questions.
2:04:53
With all your troubles which all this respires, these raging
2:04:58
fires that are occurring right now.
2:05:01
You worrying about her traffic, some Municipal ticket.
2:05:04
That's what you were spending your time on.
2:05:06
Is that right? When you have all of this
2:05:08
looking at 25 to life, You're saying you stop what you were
2:05:13
doing and serious about whether she had a municipal city
2:05:18
ordinance ticket. That's what she goes.
2:05:21
It's on the attention as much as you should provide that.
2:05:25
Yes, I think it's Mr. Porter, even employed.
2:05:34
Are you employed? Yes, sir.
2:05:37
Whatever conditions, the Jack imposes and a bond.
2:05:42
He'll follow those right? Yes sir and you'll show up in
2:05:45
court in your supposed to ever if you All right, go ahead.
2:05:52
Anything else to add? Not just a lot of what I wanted
2:05:56
to do. So and then nature of Tom, I'm
2:05:59
gonna pass. Adult summarize.
2:06:02
What? Yeah.
2:06:03
What. What did he asking?
2:06:04
And then Mr. Making. What?
2:06:06
You saw something go? Yes.
2:06:07
Good baseball from both Witnesses today.
2:06:13
I'm not convinced that there are it's a bond amount or conditions
2:06:17
that can guarantee the safety of one.
2:06:21
The witness that just testified in two the community in general.
2:06:25
And that regard based on the motion to increase acid, your
2:06:29
honor revoke the bond which in my opinion was insufficient and
2:06:35
let's leave him waiting Trump. That's for no bond.
2:06:41
Go ahead and we would actually disagree we think any bond.
2:06:46
Mr. Porter may he would do he would not contact.
2:06:50
Anyone doesn't represent a danger to the community.
2:06:53
He's employed don't All right. What is his bond right now?
2:07:01
30,000 years. Okay, the court is going to
2:07:08
Keeping on a bomb. Your bond though, is doubled to
2:07:13
60,000 dollars. And you must have a GPS device
2:07:19
at all times. Do you have one on you right
2:07:21
now? you must have a global
2:07:24
positioning device so I know where you are at all times and
2:07:28
you shall have as a condition of mono contact with any Witnesses
2:07:34
in this case, except through your attorney Mister making And
2:07:42
you can of course, contact your own Witnesses directly but not
2:07:46
Witnesses, who may be Witnesses for the state and we know that
2:07:50
this lady was a witness for the state section 36.05 of the
2:07:55
Texas, Penal Code provides for felony.
2:07:59
Punishment. Or any person who with intent to
2:08:03
influence a witness offers confers or agrees to confer any
2:08:07
benefit or of a witness or perspective witness in any
2:08:11
official proceeding to testify falsely.
2:08:16
Sir if it's clear according to her, it's testimony.
2:08:19
That's what this is all about. And I'm going to ask the state
2:08:24
of Texas to a further. This also to consideration for
2:08:27
Grand, Jury has review. and, The. 45.
2:08:38
There is. they upon her system on him, that clearly needs those
2:08:46
elements of That crime. The first condition of your bond
2:08:51
is don't commit an offense. Any attempt.
2:08:56
To commit a crime or carrying out. the commission of the
2:09:05
elements of our crime, constitute a violation of God.
2:09:09
If this course, discovers Any further.
2:09:15
Failings to follow mind conditions.
2:09:17
Then we'll bring you right back up here and then it will be in
2:09:23
your bond will geometrically increased or it will be
2:09:28
disallowed completely. And you'll have to Be in custody
2:09:33
until such time. We have this trial.
2:09:37
Are you setting this thing for trials?
2:09:40
Just get it done. And I don't want to, I don't
2:09:43
want to hear anything about so attached.
2:09:46
It influenced Witnesses work through your attorney, he knows
2:09:49
how to do things. That is.
2:09:56
Well, alrighty friends. We stumbled into a very, very
2:09:59
interesting one there. Didn't we?
2:10:01
I'll more than likely have more to say on the string, the fourth
2:10:04
hour when we get into some news and some discussion, but I took
2:10:08
notes. Not quite seen anything like
2:10:12
that in Stevens court before. So that was a good watch. let's,
2:10:18
Let's change it up though. Let's go to Louisiana, looks
2:10:21
like the parole board is on the road right now.
2:10:23
They're at Loyola. Thing on me.
2:10:58
We're on it. We can't see them all here.
2:11:03
Our first remote location. This morning is at Louisiana
2:11:07
State Penitentiary. So with the staff at Angola,
2:11:11
please introduce yourself for the record.
2:11:14
Deputy one Michelle Amber Rose classification, how many Shipley
2:11:19
a vendor records. Jerry.
2:11:22
Sergeant program consultant. Okay, thank you.
2:11:26
Thanks for hosting us this morning and our first case there
2:11:29
at Angola is Mr. Jacobs? Good morning, Mr. Jacobs.
2:11:33
Good morning. Would you introduce yourself?
2:11:36
Sir. Tell us your name and your doc
2:11:38
number. My name is Alexandre Jacobs a
2:11:42
DLC number is 447048. Yes, sir Mr. Jacobs I'm going to
2:11:49
read some identifying information into the record.
2:11:53
But first, let me recognize we do have some folks here today in
2:11:58
support, we have Malcolm Matthews and Chris Williams who
2:12:03
will be speaking on your behalf. I believe they're there with you
2:12:05
and Angola. here with us in New Orleans, we have Representing
2:12:13
the victim Jaimie, Alexander, Yolanda Anders. and, Andis.
2:12:20
Roger Dawkins Roderick Dawkins dewanda Dawkins, and also the
2:12:25
district attorney Mr. Philip Terrell.
2:12:27
And for those who indicated, they'd like to speak, will call
2:12:31
them at the appropriate time. First, let me read the
2:12:36
identifying information that I'm a turn it over to Mr, Tillis,
2:12:39
because your case is been assigned to him this morning, So
2:12:42
Mr. Jacobs your classified as a third felony offender, you're
2:12:47
currently serving a 60-year sentence.
2:12:49
You were sentenced, April 11th 2006 and Rapides Parish as a
2:12:55
habitual offender for manslaughter.
2:12:57
You have a parole eligibility date, which was September, 7202,
2:13:02
and you have a good time, release date.
2:13:04
October 1364, is that information, correct?
2:13:10
Yes, ma'am. All right, and I do see we have
2:13:13
Mr. Carey Myers with the parole project on Zoom as well, Mr.
2:13:18
Tillis. Good morning, Mr. Jacobs, how
2:13:26
are you? All right, so there are real for
2:13:30
this morning. Good Could you tell us why?
2:13:35
You're incarcerated and what causes you to be incarcerated.
2:13:39
And why should we vote to? In your favor, please.
2:13:46
Yes, there are. Always been my problem.
2:13:51
He was trying to. I guess I could see Escape From
2:13:55
Myself. From my fears of.
2:13:59
My infidelities. of not really knowing what was gonna happen
2:14:04
next in my life. the trouble, the bad decisions and choices I
2:14:10
was making uh, going from Suspension from school.
2:14:15
To just straight out quitting. Accidents.
2:14:23
Spending unnecessary finances. Trouble with the loud.
2:14:29
Jumper from job, the job. Just a lot of chaos and
2:14:32
confusion. And my anger.
2:14:35
And I made was angry because I had to potential to do better
2:14:40
and be better. but my rational thinking that, that time, Made
2:14:47
me feel about the failure. And unable to talk to anyone
2:14:51
because I didn't trust anyone. and I didn't want to appear, we
2:14:57
so, I self-medicated, I drank. Weed a pop Fields trying to
2:15:04
avoid those feelings. You know, one thing I was doing
2:15:07
was really harboring the pain. and, Pressing sits in.
2:15:16
So again, isolate myself. some days, I Didn't want to be around
2:15:22
anyone talking anyone, some days, I did.
2:15:26
You know, eventually. After.
2:15:30
Holding all that negative energy in.
2:15:36
The worst thing that could possibly happen.
2:15:39
Happen. What's up?
2:15:49
I ended up taking a life. For this beautiful.
2:15:54
And innocent woman. All because I was unable to
2:15:59
manage my life. Alone time.
2:16:04
For a while, I say. I thought with the fact that I
2:16:08
had taken a human life, isn't it?
2:16:15
100 years. I continue to get high.
2:16:20
Why? Because the radio.
2:16:22
Still trying to escape the reality of what I had done.
2:16:27
But the remorse. I always come back.
2:16:34
What I wanted was. To find peace.
2:16:40
With myself. So, I do.
2:16:45
Trying. On my own successfully.
2:16:50
I actually helped. The surrender prayer States.
2:16:55
God. Grant me the serenity.
2:16:58
To accept the things. I cannot change.
2:17:00
The courage to change the things that I can and the wisdom to
2:17:04
know the difference. by me, allowing my Life to become a
2:17:11
manageable. I took a human life.
2:17:15
Like, I cannot change that. So I had to learn to accept it.
2:17:21
But I was able. To change from the person that I
2:17:25
was. That it was no sir.
2:17:38
I'm sorry. I took a human life. and by
2:17:44
doing so, I caused Unimaginable. And permanent pain.
2:17:50
To the victim's family, friends and community.
2:17:54
There's no excuse for my action. I take full and complete
2:17:58
responsibility for them. My time here at Angola that's
2:18:03
been about one Central goal. to ensure that the person who
2:18:07
committed that terrible Act, not the same person sitting before
2:18:10
you today. My Rehabilitation.
2:18:16
Was my primary focus? I want to make sure my time
2:18:20
spent was not time wasted. and even though I had an addiction
2:18:26
problem, And addiction is a horrible disease.
2:18:31
All lives are still predicated or determined.
2:18:36
By the choices we make. And on September the 5th, 2005.
2:18:41
I mean the worst choice of imaginable. so, instead of
2:18:46
continue making these bad choices, It was time for me to
2:18:50
make some right choices. so, that's when I Got myself
2:18:55
involved in different programming.
2:18:57
And surrounding myself around positive individuals.
2:19:01
Stop using. And was able to share and trust
2:19:08
with people. Also have a decent disciplinary
2:19:11
record. All right up in 20 years.
2:19:16
I think that shows I'm able to live, but then a set of rules
2:19:20
and conduct myself with respect. I also have held the same job
2:19:25
over 16 years. With sure, I can maintain
2:19:28
employment. If relief.
2:19:33
I plan on living a quiet production and for life.
2:19:38
Plan on working to have to put my family. and then, when they
2:19:41
may need, Because they always been there for me.
2:19:45
Understand my freedom. Is a privilege.
2:19:49
And not a, right? And I would not violate that
2:19:52
trust you place in me. I'm not asking you to forget my
2:20:00
crime. I live with the memory of it
2:20:03
every day. I want you to see.
2:20:07
That I have worked towards. Reform or rebuilding myself.
2:20:15
You know, I can never bring Teresa back.
2:20:21
I will spend the rest of my life proving to you.
2:20:25
That you're the decision to grant me a second chance was not
2:20:29
a mistake. Thank you.
2:20:32
Thank you so much. We're going to come.
2:20:37
Forward. Can you tell us anything about
2:20:39
Mr? Jacobs please.
2:20:43
Designed to graphic design. Like he said, he had a total of
2:20:50
four. DB reports, his whole time here.
2:20:52
The last one being in 2017, he has a degree in graphic
2:20:58
communication. Um, he is taking cage your rage
2:21:02
something abused 100 dollars Inside Out dead for a change.
2:21:07
He did the victim of awareness accountability letter, he
2:21:11
participated in the stars and abuse program.
2:21:13
He just finished dad on June 30th 2025.
2:21:17
He has a GED. Oh you participated in a new
2:21:21
men's sober group and he also participated in 12 steps
2:21:25
Alcoholic Anonymous, Um, we have had no problems here with Mr.
2:21:32
Jacob, he has been a model inmate he had been a trustees
2:21:43
and 2014. Thank you so much Warden.
2:21:54
You're welcome. Jacobs.
2:22:04
We're going to hear from his supporters.
2:22:06
Could we hear first from Mr? Malcolm Matthews.
2:22:11
Yes, my name is Malcolm Matthews.
2:22:13
I'm from West Monroe. I speak today in support of
2:22:17
Deandre and his parole here in, I want to thank him for the
2:22:22
honor of asking me to do this and all, so want to thank the
2:22:25
board for listening to me today. Also want to thank the board for
2:22:31
the Thomas work. You do and fairly deciding on
2:22:33
the merits of cases come before you I have known as DeAndre
2:22:40
since last August which is not a long time. but we met
2:22:46
face-to-face today for the first time, actually, however, since
2:22:50
August, our Communications have been steady Sincere and open.
2:22:55
He's been part of the fellowship that I helped facilitate that
2:23:00
serves as an Outreach to 100 men here at Angola and other
2:23:03
satellite prisons as well as one woman at the women's Institute.
2:23:10
We mail out sermon notes, each week from Dr. Patrick Mead of
2:23:14
our Safe Harbor Church. In Tennessee.
2:23:19
Has been an active participant since day.
2:23:22
One beginning in August communicating, his questions and
2:23:25
comments and he, and I have talked all the recently on the
2:23:28
phone quite often. So I feel close to him and
2:23:33
thankful. I got to meet him today.
2:23:35
Final. Jeandre was recommended to me
2:23:39
and this stands out to me because he was recommended by a
2:23:44
mutual good friend of ours. Mr. Milton Williams who himself.
2:23:47
Last December 3rd was granted parole here in this same room.
2:23:53
It has his release. It was released from Angola.
2:23:57
Milton. I speak almost daily.
2:24:00
He told me that zandre is one of the best men.
2:24:04
He knew while he was incarcerated here at Angola.
2:24:07
And then he further went on to say that, every man, that he
2:24:11
knew in prison who also knew the Andre, every one of them had
2:24:15
high regard for Z. I include that.
2:24:20
And in my comments today because it speaks volumes to me that it,
2:24:25
he's held in such a steam where he is now.
2:24:28
It stands to reason in my mind that he can carry that trait out
2:24:31
of the wires of the prison. And into the into society when
2:24:37
he's released. Early on xandre expressed to me
2:24:41
as he's expressed already this morning here, his remorse for
2:24:47
the needless loss of Ms. Dawkins life.
2:24:50
That he calls. And for the accompanying grief
2:24:54
that has been ongoing for so many.
2:24:57
Of her friends. Her family.
2:25:00
And his family and friends. He had a serious alcohol
2:25:08
problem, which contributed to the downward spiral of his life.
2:25:11
He's talked about that. But he realizes and states.
2:25:15
That alcohol did not commit the crime.
2:25:17
He committed the crime. To take her life.
2:25:23
And he faces that fact and owns responsibility for what
2:25:28
happened. I'm in possession of his
2:25:31
impressive, packet of certificates of training and
2:25:34
self-help classes, he's completed and I know you have it
2:25:38
to I feel like he has used his time well and has has redeemed
2:25:44
his time well and redeemed himself as a human being.
2:25:48
I think he's faced his demons and sought help to keep them out
2:25:52
of his life going forward. And upon release since
2:25:57
alcoholism was a problem for him.
2:26:01
Upon release. He plans to join and maintain
2:26:04
active, attendance and participation with AA.
2:26:08
Or Celebrate Recovery or similar program to that for to address
2:26:13
that problem. So he can help himself help
2:26:17
others in that same program. He and I had an instant Rapport
2:26:22
and that I'm a retired, graphic designer and that's what he's
2:26:26
done at the prison for so many years.
2:26:29
Working in the area of graphics and signage and various
2:26:34
projects. He's worked for the State DMV.
2:26:40
Signage municipality Street signage law enforcement, decals
2:26:44
uniforms t-shirts as well as logo designs.
2:26:48
These were done for several state agencies, police,
2:26:51
departments and universities. In the area of logo design here.
2:26:55
Recently designed the star program which is been mentioned
2:26:58
already here at Angola and the design was then adopted adopted
2:27:03
at the state level and he's got that logo on his shirt today.
2:27:07
I thought that was cool that he wore that shirt with a star
2:27:10
logo. He designed he wants to remain
2:27:13
in that vocation upon his release.
2:27:16
To that end offer him. My name is a reference for
2:27:19
entrance into schooling or employment after his release.
2:27:25
He wisely. However tells me the wisely, he
2:27:30
is taken other training. I think a commercial driver's
2:27:35
license and some other training that he's completed to to be a
2:27:40
job options as backups, should should that primary plan and
2:27:45
Graphics not work out immediately for him.
2:27:48
So he's got his backups and I think that's smart.
2:27:51
So I believe for you to consider the accomplishments of this good
2:27:55
man, and the changes, he has made toward a good life and
2:27:58
service to others and vote unanimously, unanimously to
2:28:02
Grant his parole today. Thank you.
2:28:05
Thank you, Mr. Matthews, we appreciate hearing from you.
2:28:11
Yes, Man. I don't get his morning.
2:28:16
All right, my name is Chris Williams on speaking about half
2:28:19
of my own time frame. The Andre Jacobs.
2:28:21
I know him as Tootie. It was his nickname who I know
2:28:25
for 40 years. He has been a close friend since
2:28:29
since I was nine or ten. From a young age, the Andre
2:28:33
stood out as someone who was quiet intelligent and
2:28:36
dependable. He had his way of figuring out
2:28:40
things, and whatever problems we had, we can go to him and he
2:28:42
give us a song on invite. He naturally became the leader
2:28:47
of the group. And I looked up to him. usually
2:28:50
The Quiet One, I always be the one that you Does it stand out
2:28:54
with your, in the back? But he was in the front but he
2:28:56
was The Quiet One. As we grew over them, DeAndre
2:29:02
continued to set a positive example. he was the first of the
2:29:06
month of to learn how to drive, he was the first to get married
2:29:10
and personally, I witnessed how well, He cared and took care of
2:29:15
his family and his kids, he always worked hard and
2:29:18
consistently held a job. Taking proper.
2:29:22
Providing for those who depending on him.
2:29:25
One moment I can one moment stuck with me.
2:29:29
And what he did for me, I needed.
2:29:33
To secure my first car. The bank was closed.
2:29:36
I couldn't get no way to get money, but I thought about my
2:29:39
friend, I actually, Andre, can I go 100 dollars because of
2:29:44
course, he had a job. He said we know he has a Tatian.
2:29:47
He let me boy. He always was a work, a hard
2:29:51
worker. The act of kindness and more
2:29:56
than me. probably, I realized the type of person he always be
2:30:00
was since incarcerated. DeAndre and I speak almost every
2:30:07
Sunday. Our conversation, we focus on
2:30:11
family friends. And our kids and the plans for
2:30:15
his future. He speak with hope and
2:30:18
determination. He has shared his desire to
2:30:21
pursue his career in graphic design or obtain a CDL license,
2:30:25
driving trucks. More than anything.
2:30:28
He looked forward to reuniting with his family and being
2:30:31
present for his three kids. And his grandchildren.
2:30:36
I truly believe. He has grown to change for the
2:30:39
Builder. He has a strong support from his
2:30:42
family and friends and he will continue to have strong support
2:30:46
from us when he returns home. As a friend for four decades.
2:30:53
I restricted free x you to finding your hearts to Grant
2:30:57
Jacobs a second chance. I believe he will, you stop
2:31:02
opportunity to live responsible productive and a positive life.
2:31:07
Goblet. Thank you, Mr. Williams.
2:31:10
Thank could. We hear from the parole project
2:31:13
please? Good morning, Carrie Myers to
2:31:17
Louisiana, parole project here from Mr. Jacobs Earl project has
2:31:23
accepted Mr. Jacobs, as a client based on his institutional
2:31:26
record that includes job stability. 16 years on the job.
2:31:31
10 years of trustee status, he earned his GED.
2:31:34
As you've heard, his disciplinary record is
2:31:38
participation in Star. As a new man, volunteer Mentor,
2:31:43
his 330 hours of ctrp credit. He's just demonstrated the what
2:31:51
parole project Is about. And that's the capacity for
2:31:56
people to change. So, should this board Grant his
2:31:59
parole today, we will provide him the Transitional services,
2:32:03
that someone who served 20 years in prison is is needing.
2:32:08
When they return that in going to include transitional housing,
2:32:11
programming, life, skills, Financial evaluations by our
2:32:17
social workers for his substance abuse and recommendations to be
2:32:22
followed upon that. We will assist him in placing in
2:32:27
any AA or other programs that he can join.
2:32:32
So, based on, that institutional record, parole project asked
2:32:37
this board to considering his parole today into our program.
2:32:59
Amanda. Good morning, I am Amanda
2:33:09
Andrews, I am Miss Teresa's daughter in law, but before I
2:33:14
was in law, I grew up with her. Um, so I know her.
2:33:18
Um, I'm here to strongly oppose, his release from prison.
2:33:23
As I do believe, he does not deserve the opportunity for
2:33:26
parole are to re-enter Society. Teresa Dawkins was a beloved
2:33:30
mother, grandmother sister? And friend, her murder has left
2:33:36
in consolable, mark on all of our Lives.
2:33:39
She was a kind and caring woman who dedicated her life to her
2:33:42
family and her loss is deeply felt by her five children 13,
2:33:48
grandchildren and two great-grandchildren.
2:33:50
The pain of her absence is something we carry every day
2:33:54
avoid that can never truly be filled.
2:33:58
Her dad is also profoundly affected.
2:34:00
Her has also profoundly affected her brother's so sisters, nieces
2:34:05
nephews and cousins who continue to mourn her loss and the life
2:34:09
coach Sharp. The trauma and grief, we
2:34:12
experience are compounded by the fact that her murder, her
2:34:15
murderer remains a threat to society, and his potential
2:34:19
release would cause further pain, and suffering, for all who
2:34:22
love her. While I acknowledge the
2:34:25
importance of Rehabilitation and second chances, I believe that
2:34:29
Justice for Teresa and her family requires that he remains
2:34:33
incarcerated. The impact of his actions is
2:34:37
irreversible. And I sincerely hope that the
2:34:40
parole board continues, I mean, considers the lasting harm done
2:34:45
by his crime. Thank you for allowing me to
2:34:48
share my heart, feelings on this matter.
2:34:51
Thank you for sharing those feelings.
2:34:54
I think we'll hear from the DNA Mr. Terrell
2:35:14
Good morning. Military on behalf of the state,
2:35:18
Louisiana, MRSA Dawkins, and the surviving victims.
2:35:27
On September the 9th 2005, Mr. Jake, who stood?
2:35:33
The life of Teresa Dawkins On that day.
2:35:35
The Alexandria Police Department was called to the Alexandria
2:35:39
Zoo. An employee reported finding a
2:35:42
pool of blood, some female clothing that was torn and some
2:35:46
money Deputy officer examined the same and asked of you
2:35:51
surveyed video surveillance detectives were called out to
2:35:54
the scene. And the video showed a
2:35:56
dark-colored vehicle arrived between a zoo building and a
2:36:00
male exit, the vehicle. Next the female walk around to
2:36:04
the front of the vehicle and fell to the ground.
2:36:07
She got up but fell again. Then the Mayo was seen dragging,
2:36:11
the female by her legs, back to the car and place her in the
2:36:14
trunk of the car. Another APD officer was
2:36:18
patrolling near Gene ball Drive, which is some distance away from
2:36:21
the Alexandria Zoo about 5:00 on the morning of the sixth.
2:36:25
And he saw a car that he thought was being operated suspiciously.
2:36:31
Slow up, Slow Down Speed up, and so he got behind it and was able
2:36:35
to get the license number, but that APD officer were received a
2:36:40
call of a burglary in process. So, he had to leave and go to
2:36:43
that. Enough of the information off of
2:36:49
license plate number for the detectives to trace it back to
2:36:52
another person who told the detectives that Mr. Jacobs was
2:36:57
allowed to use it that particular vehicle And when the
2:37:02
detectives contacted Mr. Jacobs in the next day, he confessed to
2:37:07
murdering Ms. Dawkins, and, and trying to attempt to secret her
2:37:12
body on Gene ball Drive in Alexandria.
2:37:16
His statement was to the detectives is particularly
2:37:19
telling in this as to his motive.
2:37:22
I don't know what came over me. I just had the urge to kill her.
2:37:28
and, What he, the way he said he killed her.
2:37:32
Was that he? He stabbed her several times, as
2:37:38
she was trying to run away from him.
2:37:39
He caught up with her, stabbed her some more Beater with a
2:37:43
pistol and about the head and then shot her twice.
2:37:49
Jacobs had other runs with the law as evidence by the fact that
2:37:54
he is a has been was a judge to habitual offender and he pledged
2:37:59
to that as well. Mr. Jacobs was convicted had a
2:38:04
juvenile violent juvenile record, Mr. Jacobs was convicted
2:38:07
of DWI one, two, and three. Mr. Jacobs was convicted plead
2:38:12
guilty to a previous prior to this incident to a previous
2:38:17
attempted murder. So he didn't get it right the
2:38:20
first time but he did. He tried it but he did the
2:38:23
second. we're all, we are all about Second Chances, The
2:38:29
habitual offender bill that he played to says at the bottom
2:38:32
without benefit of parole probation, or suspension of
2:38:35
sense got 60 years of that concurrent with his
2:38:37
manslaughter, He pledged to all those things.
2:38:41
There is a contract between these victims and the state
2:38:44
Louisiana. We promised them that we would
2:38:47
send him to prison for 60 years and we did and, I would submit
2:38:53
ladies and gentlemen, that would be absolutely unfair.
2:38:59
To these fine people who didn't work one of them.
2:39:04
One of them who works with the Department of Corrections.
2:39:08
Her. She was 14 years old when her
2:39:10
mother was murdered. She didn't have a chance.
2:39:13
Mr. Teresa Dawkins, didn't have a second chance.
2:39:16
And these folks here did not have a chance to be with him.
2:39:22
As to. As to Mr. Jacobs substance abuse
2:39:30
their millions and millions of Alcoholics throughout the world
2:39:33
who don't commit any crime, much less a murderer and an attempted
2:39:38
murder. Um, he referred to the Serenity
2:39:45
Prayer. Also, one of the tenants of Any
2:39:49
substance appropriate substance abuse treatment, particularly
2:39:52
AA, and na, is that? The person working in that
2:39:59
program, the member of that program must accept
2:40:02
responsibility for their actions.
2:40:03
He was giving a responsibility for his actions 60 years.
2:40:09
So I don't want to believe her y'all familiar with the facts.
2:40:14
He, this is not. This is not a drug case or a
2:40:20
simple burglary. This is a Murder By person who
2:40:24
attempted to commit a murder before and went to prison for
2:40:28
seven years on that. So, I would submit that for
2:40:31
purposes of Public Safety. I would also submit that because
2:40:36
what I feel like is a compact that the system and our office
2:40:41
made with these folks that he remain in prison.
2:40:46
Thank you very much for listening to me.
2:40:48
I appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Terrell All
2:40:53
right. Mr. Tillis, you want to continue
2:40:54
your interview? Yes.
2:40:58
Oh, I'm sorry. I don't know.
2:41:00
Is there anybody else that needed to speak?
2:41:02
I think not. Mr. Jacob, how are you in this
2:41:08
crime happened? 31 or 31.
2:41:15
We see and I saw where you took a lot of classes, which one
2:41:19
impacted you the most. I had to say the FTR program and
2:41:24
the reason to be in Early in the morning.
2:41:28
And Lord would do something called the check-in, go around
2:41:32
the group and actually, how they were feeling.
2:41:35
And I gave you the opportunity to the state, you know how you
2:41:39
feel. And if you had someone on your,
2:41:40
on your mind to release, it wasn't that I thought it was a
2:41:44
good thing, because As we go throughout day-to-day interact
2:41:50
with one another, we always see the exterior of a person.
2:41:55
Oh no outside. We know.
2:41:58
Really know what going on in the inside of a person.
2:42:01
Who made the good on outside with me, no Tour on the inside.
2:42:07
The. The way you think, I mean, well,
2:42:12
how you feel? Determines.
2:42:16
How you think? And how you think?
2:42:21
Will return the actions. Brother owned by those feelings.
2:42:25
Whether they're good or bad. and I thought the exercise was real
2:42:29
good because It taught well. How communication?
2:42:37
Trust. And they help build empathy. as
2:42:41
you able to empathize with the With the next person.
2:42:46
And I, For one. started doing a daily checking on myself because
2:42:54
I know how to fix a hole in the bad feeling.
2:43:03
What it can do, what it can lead to.
2:43:05
So it's good to share and how you do that is by trusting
2:43:09
someone in Build that my community.
2:43:14
Thank you. At what time you I think you
2:43:19
stated it early. At what time did you realize
2:43:21
when you were incarcerated that you needed to change your life?
2:43:27
Ryan in 2008. well earlier, when I first got the reality of what
2:43:40
I had done a really was just eating the other while it was
2:43:43
continuing to get high. But around 2008 is when I really
2:43:46
came around and and just cut ties on everything.
2:43:51
That's when you started trying to rehabilitate yourself to
2:43:54
change your life to do better. Yes, there really got really
2:43:58
focus on. I had started in 2007 when I
2:44:00
first got my GED, but that when I really got really focused in
2:44:03
2008, I see, I see where you have a lot of classes.
2:44:10
If you release, what would, what would you do?
2:44:12
Where would you go? Where would you live?
2:44:15
Well. I was playing on standing in
2:44:18
Baton Rouge. but, I have down for stay with my mother in
2:44:25
wrapping Paris without trying to see if I could stand alone with
2:44:28
the parole board. And to the finance, they need to
2:44:31
get my own spot because that's where I really would prefer to
2:44:34
be. In Rapid I mean, Baton Rouge.
2:44:38
but, I plan on getting my Taking my online course to get my
2:44:44
bachelor's degree. And gravity design, that's where
2:44:46
I can. can work from home and self-employment possible.
2:44:55
I haven't gotten my CDL on. Getting my CDL when I get out.
2:45:00
You know, because I believe. You never have too many options.
2:45:04
But also playing on Sunday group, The Selling to continue
2:45:08
my recovery. And any other support group,
2:45:13
That I'm making, come across that can helping my situation or
2:45:17
I make him help. Okay, you've done well.
2:45:27
No, I don't have any questions. I have a couple of questions.
2:45:33
Yes. At the time of this crime, where
2:45:37
you married. Because man.
2:45:40
Who's your relationship with? Miss Dawkins.
2:45:44
So I didn't do it. I didn't know.
2:45:45
No man. And you had, you been in the
2:45:51
drug court program previously. oh yes, man, I've got in there
2:45:56
and 2003 and I had just finished in 2005 or April 2005.
2:46:05
I think it was yes. So you completed drug court?
2:46:08
Good man. But at the time he doing the
2:46:13
same behavior in terms that was in my mouth, I wasn't ready to
2:46:20
stop. I was still with the, with the
2:46:22
foolishness. so, it would point in your Incarceration.
2:46:27
Did you come to terms with what you?
2:46:30
Because you still really haven't told us what you did, we heard
2:46:33
from the da. And we heard her, stop his
2:46:36
family but and I want you to say it now, but I'm just wondering
2:46:40
why you didn't, you know, you won't reel forthcoming about
2:46:43
what you really did. Oh wow.
2:46:46
I thought you was when you first asked about the What lead up to
2:46:51
it? That's why I was going into
2:46:53
that. Yeah, that was helpful too.
2:46:55
But you never said, what you did.
2:46:57
Let's move on. So um, you you the warden said,
2:47:03
you did the victim, victim, accountability program doesn't
2:47:07
get out of that. Well, I learned about the
2:47:11
empathy more than anything was stood out the most. and that
2:47:15
deal with the for me. I do a lot of A lot of people
2:47:21
trusting me to come to me when they had a problem with whatnot.
2:47:25
and, Listening to someone share their feelings. and also, Being
2:47:36
able to. Share your feelings.
2:47:39
You know, they help build empathy.
2:47:44
So that's the main thing I want good.
2:47:46
So what do you think, have you had any Victim Impact training?
2:47:56
kind of, because, I mean, I I'm confused with the with the
2:48:07
question. The victim impact.
2:48:10
Yeah, that's a little different. Oh, okay.
2:48:11
Okay, I'm sorry man. No. wine was the impact on your
2:48:19
Victory. Oh, I know for a fact I heard
2:48:21
them all. I know.
2:48:22
That's, that's a, that's why I say there was a Irreparable.
2:48:29
And permanent pain. And that's probably I know
2:48:32
that's a pain that would never go away. and that's why I said,
2:48:36
I mean now, I cannot change. that, that's why I personally, I
2:48:44
am now, I've changed from that person who committed that that
2:48:47
hardback You know. All right.
2:48:50
I killed him. I'm very sorry for that.
2:48:53
I'm completely sorry. But the person who done that is
2:48:59
not the same person sitting here right now.
2:49:12
Mr. Jacob, I see a lot of change in you.
2:49:15
And I see some Remorsefulness. And, and you on a good path.
2:49:21
I really I'm impressed. But you've done 20 years of a 60
2:49:28
year crime. And due to a law enforcement and
2:49:33
family opposition. My vote today is going to be
2:49:35
tonight. Mr. Prater I concur.
2:49:44
Mr. Jacobs, I too believe that that you're you're you have a
2:49:47
path forward. You're you're doing the right
2:49:50
things. But based on what we've heard
2:49:53
here today and the Link of time. You have served is insufficient.
2:50:00
My vote today is to deny your parole, but I want to encourage
2:50:03
you to stay the course continue doing community service within
2:50:06
your little prison environment and reapply whenever you're
2:50:10
eligible to do. So good luck to you sir.
2:50:13
Thank you. All right, I think that's the
2:50:18
right choice and probably not a surprise.
2:50:20
Let me see if this will work. I think it worked.
2:50:32
You'll tell me if you heard the denied.
2:50:35
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2:51:17
Let's go. Michigan, judge mom, they run
2:51:22
right here. Is that right?
2:51:26
And this lady said there is a Raymond pre-trial, so he's
2:51:30
stationed in the records, okay? And so, today is dates scheduled
2:51:36
for the early. Trials Council.
2:51:39
And asked to the arena gold Chargers that he's charged with.
2:51:45
He understands them both oh consequences and effects feed
2:51:51
from this quarter, any administrator agency, you
2:51:53
understand? Those at this time you are we
2:51:56
fully understand you. That's for please.
2:51:57
The court will win. The former reading answers.
2:52:01
We have not guilty for purpose of the arrangement and It has to
2:52:07
the pretrial, your honor. After speaking to the
2:52:11
prosecutor, my client wishes to Avail himself of the offer and
2:52:13
that he will plead guilty to the amended charge of operating
2:52:16
while visibly impaired by alcohol intent with that entails
2:52:20
and your honor. If that please, in fact
2:52:22
accepted, oh I'm sorry. You know, please responsible to
2:52:27
the amended charge of no proof of insurance as today.
2:52:30
He showed me valid proof insurance and your honor of the
2:52:33
prosecutors motion. We dismissed the two original
2:52:35
charges upon the acceptance of The Plea as I've stated, but
2:52:39
that your own even we've heard for the courts examination.
2:52:44
All right, syrup, please brings her right hand.
2:52:47
She saw me swear or from the testimony about to give him his
2:52:50
mother to be the truthful truth and nothing about the truth.
2:52:53
And you heard the plea that was placed on the record correct
2:52:56
sir. Yes, he may lower your hand and
2:52:58
ask to the amended charge of operating visibly impaired.
2:53:01
How do you think? You've gone over your advice
2:53:05
with your attorney, correct? And you understand all of those
2:53:08
rights you also understand by entering into the waiting some
2:53:13
of those rights? Yes.
2:53:17
You understand the possible penalty as a result of your
2:53:20
pleather in this court and the other quarter of nature of
2:53:22
agency, just knowing all of that you want to continue with your
2:53:25
plea. Has anybody promised you?
2:53:28
Anything friends, work force to in any way for you to enter into
2:53:30
a link any integration issues? Council meeting one of your
2:53:35
client. Mr. Bros, honor about January
2:53:38
25th, 2026 Prospect three amp. Were you operating motor vehicle
2:53:43
to save lined up? Yes, sir.
2:53:45
And prior to operate that vehicle and you consume
2:53:48
alcoholic beverages, you tell the court, what you drank and
2:53:50
how much in for the I had a handful of IP.
2:53:59
Addresses. Then I'll talk in court.
2:54:04
Yes, sir. Sorry.
2:54:07
Is that an alcoholic beverage? Thanks and you can go a few of
2:54:11
those. Correct?
2:54:12
Yes sir. Traditionally that being a
2:54:14
virgin, but I heard IP beers are stronger than regular beer.
2:54:19
Is that? Pretty correct.
2:54:22
Yes. Okay, but didn't take long for
2:54:25
you to feel the effects that correct?
2:54:27
In fact, you drove away. He was following these settings,
2:54:30
following too close to the vehicle ahead of you.
2:54:32
Is that correct? Is you're normally drive like
2:54:34
that. Do you not at all?
2:54:35
Do you believe that the alcohol contributed to that decision to
2:54:38
drive through closely? Yes.
2:54:40
And after you, then you were arrested, did you take a
2:54:44
chemical test? At least stage breathalyzer
2:54:49
correct? Yes, we can enter into the
2:54:52
record that the result was 0.227 and 0.235.
2:54:57
Yes, sir. That says 500.
2:55:00
This is the insurance. Did you fail to show police
2:55:06
officer valid proven insurance at the time yesterday?
2:55:09
But now it's been correct. Is that correct?
2:55:11
I'm satisfied. The court is also satisfied.
2:55:15
The Plea is knowing voluntary. And factually accurate.
2:55:21
In the court, will just miss the original charge for the plea
2:55:24
agreement. And you were two charges and as
2:55:28
tobacco, right? Has posted a 500 dollar Bond.
2:55:32
He died on probation or parole. Nothing pending and Runner, tell
2:55:38
the court where you're working, please Overture full-time and
2:55:41
also go to school early, computers and nothing.
2:55:45
That's what the computer science.
2:55:47
Okay, where do you attend school, sir.
2:55:49
Oh, you That online. Presuming, you're not commuting
2:55:54
to Southern New Hampshire, okay? We asked for the body to
2:55:58
continue throughout our I believe they'll reappear.
2:56:01
If you're a test right now sir, what's in your system, cannabis?
2:56:05
Do you have a valid prescription for that sir?
2:56:08
When's the last time you used it last week, so you're not still
2:56:11
under the influence. Moving forward you're not to
2:56:16
possess something, alcohol or drugs that are not prescribed.
2:56:20
So, your level is extremely high and you're fortunate, you
2:56:24
didn't. Injure or kill somebody or
2:56:28
otherwise. I agree with.
2:56:30
You. The Court's going to continue
2:56:45
your cash Bond, you're not on the bond, any other
2:56:47
jurisdiction, are you sir, what's happening with your
2:56:49
matter and River Rouge? the nothing we were really came
2:56:54
from those, but my girlfriend would have got into a little
2:56:59
bit. Oh I don't need no factual
2:57:06
information sir but you were charged with felony burglary.
2:57:09
So that's not receiving forward know.
2:57:11
It was misunderstood okay and you're not out of any other
2:57:16
jurisdiction. The Court's going to order your
2:57:19
cash bond to continue, new are not too possessed or consume any
2:57:23
alcohol or drugs. Unless prescribed, you are to
2:57:26
have a sober link through the Wayne County Jail, Testing, six
2:57:32
times per day. So you can do that.
2:57:35
You can do that, will you report on your own?
2:57:38
Sorry, you don't have to be taken at a custody and
2:57:40
transported down, so you're going to go over to probation.
2:57:43
You want to get the information regarding the sober link.
2:57:46
And when you have to go report to get that and you'll get your
2:57:50
next steps as well, okay? All right, have a good day.
2:57:55
Thank you, first. Okie dokie friends.
2:58:01
I'm gonna take us back to Louisiana.
2:58:03
We're going to do the parole board one more time and then
2:58:07
after that I mean it's gonna go into our for a little bit.
2:58:10
I'm sure but then after that, we'll have some discussion
2:58:13
because I want to talk a little bit about the drunk lady in
2:58:16
McNally's court today. Definitely talk about the guy in
2:58:20
Stevens court and I have a couple of interesting legal
2:58:25
Court related news stories, just share with you.
2:58:27
But let's let's go to the board one more time.
2:58:31
Venezuela, they are also. She's not in the room.
2:58:35
She's meeting with another client, Mr. Nonsense!
2:58:41
so, we Have at Angola in support April, April Rodman Mr. Fuller
2:58:48
sister a brother Jason his mother is Barbara Fuller sister
2:58:53
Del Shonda Fuller and another brother Robert Washington on
2:58:58
Zoom. You'll see we have Ron Hicks and
2:59:01
also here with us we have the parole project Mr. Andrew
2:59:04
Hundley, who will be speaking in support at the doc headquarters
2:59:09
in Baton Rouge, which is usually where we are located.
2:59:12
There is a room full of support. We have Toronto Woodard.
2:59:18
Call Garrett Davis. Chandrika Diggs Terrence Diggs
2:59:24
Terrence Wynne jet, all believe they're all with pipes promise
2:59:31
of Justice. Sarah Gonzalez, Michael Cahoon
2:59:34
and also care, a Crutcher, an attorney who were there in
2:59:39
support. And for those who've indicated
2:59:41
they want to speak will call on them at the appropriate time and
2:59:45
allow them to do so first, Mr. Fuller, I'm going to read some
2:59:48
identifying information into the record and ask you to verify if
2:59:52
it's correct. That's my so you are classified
2:59:56
as a first felony offender. Yes, you had a recent sentencing
3:00:01
date in Caddo, Parish in October of 2016 on a second degree.
3:00:06
Murder conviction. You're serving a life sentence
3:00:09
with the eligibility of parole. So you were resentence in 2016
3:00:16
to to give you the parole eligibility, is that right?
3:00:18
That's my, the parole eligibility date is December,
3:00:23
was December 6th 2020. Is that your understanding
3:00:27
that's Mom. And so I'm sure Mr. Lane Caster
3:00:33
has explained the process but I'm I your case has been
3:00:36
assigned to me. So I'm going to ask you a couple
3:00:38
of questions will hear from the warden and those who are in
3:00:41
favor and support and we'll hear from Mr. Lane Castor and then
3:00:46
we'll we'll have some more questions for you after after
3:00:49
everybody speaks. So, first just tell us.
3:00:54
Why you're in jail? I'm incarcerated because that's
3:01:01
a 17 year old key. I made a decision.
3:01:37
As a king. The first disrespect.
3:01:44
My mom. She woke me up for school one
3:01:47
morning. And she thought I was going to
3:01:51
school. And I skipped school.
3:01:57
Took over girls. In the process of me, skipping
3:02:04
school. God with a friend named Kendra
3:02:12
Williams. And I took him with me.
3:02:19
We've been doing drugs, smoking weed.
3:02:23
And we supposed to have been going over some girls house.
3:02:28
And in the process of us going over some girls out.
3:02:33
Mr. Willie ground. Mr. William lost his life
3:02:40
because of the decision. I mean, the first skill school
3:02:46
and then hang with him. That's the willow ground lost
3:02:49
his life because of that. And I'm responsible for that.
3:02:57
Because if I wanted to did. Mr. William Brown with another
3:03:01
lost his life like that. Until the victim everybody that
3:03:07
he left behind. I'm sorry.
3:03:13
I know I was a kid then I know I was young, man.
3:03:16
I'm so sorry. And I know, I can't change that.
3:03:20
If I can pretty light back up to Mr. With the grandma would and a
3:03:24
heartbeat. And I know I can't But I just
3:03:29
want to say now, I'm so sorry. For the mistakes.
3:03:32
I made us King. I know I made mistakes in life.
3:03:41
I'm not to make the right decisions all the time, I made a
3:03:45
lot of them. Even here since I've been
3:03:48
incarcerated, I didn't always do the right thing.
3:03:59
For the life that was taken. and me, being responsible for the
3:04:04
I'm so sorry. But that's why I'm incarcerated
3:04:09
on this murder charge. Okay, we'll have some more
3:04:13
questions for you in a little bit.
3:04:14
Could we hear from the parole project please?
3:04:25
Morning. Andrew Handley was Louisiana,
3:04:27
parole project. Here to confirm that James
3:04:32
Fuller is a client of our organization.
3:04:35
We've been working with him. Several years, know his
3:04:39
attorneys provided a brief and will give testimony later about
3:04:42
his accomplishments. I can tell you our organizations
3:04:45
committed to his re-entry and the event that he is released
3:04:48
based on his institutional record.
3:04:50
We believe that, you know, all he has done especially the
3:04:55
programming that he's started before.
3:04:56
He was parole eligible. Before Miller Montgomery started
3:05:00
that track towards Rehabilitation.
3:05:02
It wasn't always a straight path, but he started at long
3:05:06
before he was ever parole eligible.
3:05:08
And even whenever he was denied parole, he continued to take
3:05:12
additional programming and he is a leader within the prison
3:05:17
today. We can tell you that, he
3:05:19
recognizes that the best reentry plan isn't to reside, in Caddo,
3:05:25
Parish based on. That's where he calls
3:05:28
considerable harm parole project.
3:05:30
X willing to take him into our reentry program.
3:05:33
In the Baton Rouge area and give him long-term residents.
3:05:36
As he works towards his re-entry, in the Baton Rouge
3:05:39
area and not to return to a residents in Caddo Parish if
3:05:43
he's released to us. In addition to housing, we
3:05:46
commit to long-term case management as the board's aware.
3:05:49
Our organization has done the bulk of the re-entry for
3:05:53
Louisiana's. Juvenile lifers and by and
3:05:55
large, they've been ultimately successful and we've been able
3:05:57
to create a community of support for him based on his employable
3:06:02
skills and age he is now we feel like this is the point where he
3:06:06
can be released. He still young enough to start a
3:06:09
career earn and work towards self-sufficiency.
3:06:12
In short, our organizations committed to provide long-term
3:06:17
case management and support If he is granted release by the
3:06:21
sport today, in a standby, for any questions you may have about
3:06:23
his re-entry plan. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
3:06:28
Mr. Hicks Ron Hicks plays Good morning to this honorable board.
3:06:34
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak on behalf
3:06:38
of Mr. James Fuller. I have known James for many,
3:06:43
many years in seeing how his life has been.
3:06:48
In a transition of. Growth.
3:06:52
From perspective of understanding.
3:06:56
Where he went wrong at in his life.
3:06:59
And trying to make the right decisions and put himself in the
3:07:02
right place to get the help needed to be a rehabilitated.
3:07:07
Mr. Fuller, I consider him as my spiritual son.
3:07:11
I've provided spiritual Encouragement to him, spiritual
3:07:16
counseling. Heart to Heart felt.
3:07:21
Talks about how to move forward how to to be the person that God
3:07:27
created him to be. And through those conversations
3:07:30
that I've had over the years with Mr. Fuller, I've seen The
3:07:35
progress that he's made, he's completed successfully a lot of
3:07:40
the DLC approved programs within the prison.
3:07:44
These programs address Rehabilitation, they're dressed
3:07:47
personal responsibility. to address positive
3:07:51
decision-making, which is very reflective in In Mr. Fullest
3:07:57
package. Which Mr. Lancaster will talk
3:08:02
about later. He's just demonstrated growth.
3:08:05
Continual growth, not not grow, and then stop, but a continual
3:08:09
process. Of growing as an individual with
3:08:13
the understanding that. He can't undo the things that
3:08:18
he's done, but he can, he can be a person that can help shape the
3:08:22
lives of other people. In the future.
3:08:26
Not only did Mr. Fuller take these programs but now Mr.
3:08:30
Fuller is also providing as a facilitator or Guidance with
3:08:35
other inmates bringing them through the programs that was so
3:08:40
helpful to him to get on the right path and understand.
3:08:44
The destructive nature that he once exhibited now being a more
3:08:49
productive person. Mr. Fuller is guiding other
3:08:53
individuals in that process. As you've noted Ms. Nasser, at
3:09:00
the beginning of your opening, you notice the support that he
3:09:02
had as relate to family members, he has a solid Family support.
3:09:09
System that's back in him in as Mr. Andrew Huntley, has stated
3:09:14
with the Louisiana parole project. support from the
3:09:19
Louisiana parole project is a plus, And I'm going to come
3:09:23
alongside in any way that I can spiritually to help Mr. Fuller
3:09:28
if the board sees fit to Grant his parole today I will stand by
3:09:33
him. I will encourage him, I will
3:09:35
continue to be a spiritual support in a person that was
3:09:39
speak directly to him, and try my best to God Mr. Fuller in the
3:09:45
direction that is so needed in our society to help other
3:09:49
individuals, other young people to get on the right path.
3:09:53
We need a Mr. Fuller here. In Baton Rouge, or whatever the
3:09:59
board sees fit for him to live. To help other young individuals.
3:10:05
See the destructive nature of their behavior and get on the
3:10:09
right path and I think Mr. Fuller will be a great person to
3:10:12
fulfill those obligations. In conclusion, I want to say
3:10:17
that Mr. Fuller's Rehabilitation, his leadership
3:10:20
is strong family. Support system, demonstrate that
3:10:23
he is ready. For parole and prepared for
3:10:26
Success upon his release. Thank you so much for giving me
3:10:31
the opportunity to speak on the behalf of Mr. Fuller, God
3:10:35
blessings. Thank you, and they're at
3:10:40
Angola. We have Mr. Fuller's sister,
3:10:42
April Rodman. Thank you.
3:10:52
Hello. My name is April, Fuller,
3:10:56
Redmond. And I am the football.
3:10:57
I am writing writing, strongly support.
3:11:01
My brother's character. Having all time full of my
3:11:05
entire life. I have my tank contact to phone
3:11:08
calls and visitation during his time of being incarcerated.
3:11:12
As I always remember the role James upheld in my life as a big
3:11:17
brother, I must say that has never changed.
3:11:21
I am most proud of the many achievement.
3:11:25
James has been able to accomplish despite of his
3:11:27
situation. Just the name.
3:11:29
A few James had received his GED.
3:11:31
Welded certification taking fatherhood classes without even
3:11:35
being a father. There's a long represents, the
3:11:38
type of little James with holes within his heart for not only
3:11:42
people, but children is well. I have personally observed him
3:11:46
being active in the work release program and how they looked up
3:11:50
to by other inmates during business.
3:11:53
While it Angola prison leadership has always been
3:11:57
instilled in James from our growing up days.
3:12:00
When my mother would have to leave for work and James was
3:12:03
left in charge over my other younger sibling.
3:12:06
And I Even as a young child, I have yet to witness James or
3:12:10
even known of him, they have had any altercations with anyone of
3:12:14
any sort. There is one thing I know about
3:12:16
James, once he put his mind to it, he would do it.
3:12:21
I recall one of my most important conversations we had,
3:12:24
Was him getting to know God, James Manley, a promise that he
3:12:29
will cast all his cares upon the Lord.
3:12:31
And thank the father, God's will for his life without a shadow of
3:12:36
a Down. James held on to their promise.
3:12:39
And the proof of that is here today on James behalf at this
3:12:44
parole hearing. A poem relief.
3:12:47
I am fully and committed to supporting James Lee full of
3:12:50
reintegration into society. My main focus would be to say
3:12:55
James on the bus I family's Church, you're not in our reach
3:12:58
in Boulder City, Louisiana. So allow him the opportunity to
3:13:01
be reconnected to God first by baptism.
3:13:05
Everything else will fall in place on the God will for James
3:13:09
Blake? Thank you for allowing me to
3:13:11
speak on my brother's behalf. Yes, thank you for your remarks
3:13:15
Warden ambo we could we could you tell us anything about Mr?
3:13:20
Fuller. Okay, I can tell you that.
3:13:23
Mr. Full of has been a model inmate, he does have A paperwork
3:13:32
standard. He completed a victim impact
3:13:34
letter, he just Completed it on a 29th of January.
3:13:40
I had a faxed over to you. Um, other than the welding, the
3:13:46
star program, you know, you guys GD, Malachi Dodd with everybody
3:13:49
else, you know said to his stuff like that.
3:13:53
All I could say is that you know, we have no problem here
3:13:56
with James at Louisiana State Penitentiary and he has been a
3:14:01
model inmate in He's ready to go back into society.
3:14:06
Thank you. All right, Mr. Lancaster could
3:14:09
we we'd like to hear your presentation?
3:14:11
Thank you, Mr. NASA, I'm Mr. Tillis and Mr. Prater as
3:14:19
mentioned James was 17 years old, at the time, the crime
3:14:23
occurred, he spent 30 years here at Angola is now 47 years old.
3:14:30
If you look at his time that he spent in prison, it does show a
3:14:36
path where now he demonstrates maturity and Rehabilitation.
3:14:39
He's a class a trustee here at Angola, that's the highest
3:14:44
status minimum status. Here, he is a resident of Camp
3:14:49
F, which is the trustee Camp. He since his last parole
3:14:54
hearing, which was in 2020, he's done a number of things and the
3:14:58
committee at that time, encouraged him to, to do more
3:15:02
work. And he's done that, primarily he
3:15:05
has participated in the star program.
3:15:07
A substance treatment and recovery program and now he
3:15:12
currently serves as a facilitator, four days a week at
3:15:15
the main prison for other people coming through that program.
3:15:18
So it's been extremely impactful for him and he's been able to
3:15:22
share that with other prisoners who are entering that program.
3:15:26
So, I hope the committee has a chance to ask him, some
3:15:29
questions about his experience and the star program.
3:15:31
And as a facilitator he's taking victim awareness as mentioned.
3:15:35
He's recently completed it thinking for a change again.
3:15:39
He's got his carpentry certifications and his last a
3:15:42
parole hearing adding that to his welding certification.
3:15:45
And it's continued to to participate and Alcoholics
3:15:49
Anonymous. All total.
3:15:51
If you look at his institutional record, he's taking 13 programs
3:15:54
of qualify for ctrp credit even though, you know, with his
3:15:59
sentence. He doesn't accumulate ctrp
3:16:02
credit. But yes, take in the court, says
3:16:04
he also volunteers for the veterans Club.
3:16:07
Of at Camp F which is a significant experience for him.
3:16:11
He's not a veteran himself but he's been doing that for a
3:16:14
number of times for a number of years in that, he's found a
3:16:18
sense of community. We know that juvenile lifers who
3:16:22
have been released have been very successful on the outside.
3:16:25
Part of that is the fact they have housing Mr. Fuller will
3:16:28
have that through the parole project.
3:16:30
He'll have a job, the parole project will get him work.
3:16:34
They also, you know, a sense of communities, that sense of
3:16:39
community here at Angola, and that will continue on the
3:16:43
outside. And another thing that I think
3:16:45
is important, just to know this is the level of support.
3:16:48
He has both families supporting Community Support those at
3:16:53
Headquarters, who are in full support of him, as well as his
3:16:57
family here, and of course, they'll have the support of the
3:17:00
parole project people in the institution who know him Lori
3:17:05
Stone. Who is the stop program
3:17:07
coordinator in Mr. Fuller's annual review commented.
3:17:14
That Mr. Fuller exceeds expectations is enthusiastic and
3:17:18
trustworthy a colonel Fugue Security.
3:17:21
Supervisor commented, that Mr. Fuller is no security risk at
3:17:24
this time and follows Penitentiary rules Sherry
3:17:28
Barton, the ardc supervisor, comment of the Mr. Fuller's
3:17:31
polite, respectable Dependable friendly and has a calm
3:17:36
demeanor, Mr. Fuller, I think demonstrates that he'll be
3:17:41
successful in the outside and we pray that this committee, grants
3:17:46
him paroled to continue to serve the remainder of his sentence
3:17:49
under Supervision in the community.
3:17:53
And continue to demonstrate that he is compliant with rules and
3:17:58
has changed and will be successful.
3:18:00
Thank you. Thank you.
3:18:02
Early on a fail to mention that we do have representative from
3:18:07
the Caddo, District Attorney's, Office Victim, Assistance
3:18:10
coordinator, Miss Leonard, Fitzgerald.
3:18:12
And she would like to speak in opposition and we'd like to hear
3:18:16
Fitzgerald. Good morning.
3:18:27
Um yes I'm Leon Fitzgerald. And I'm here on behalf of the
3:18:32
district attorney James. Stewart and the District
3:18:36
Attorney's office, our office is opposed in this situation and I
3:18:43
do appreciate Mr. Fuller's comments and his acceptance of
3:18:48
accountability for what happened.
3:18:50
I don't want to go to deep in to the facts of the case for that
3:18:54
reason. But I do feel like I have to
3:18:58
point out. Just how shocking and senseless
3:19:02
this offense was, you know, Mr. Willie Graham was a member of
3:19:08
our community. This happened in broad daylight
3:19:11
around, 2:00 in the afternoon, there were eyewitnesses to this
3:19:17
shooting and and I realized that he was 17 years old.
3:19:22
But surely he at 17 that this was unacceptable and basically,
3:19:30
he chased Mr. Graham down as he ran away.
3:19:35
A life and Mr. Graham was shot in the back twice and he was
3:19:41
still able to get up and run more for his life and was able
3:19:47
to flag down a stranger who drove him to the emergency room.
3:19:50
So this was just sort of like stalking and animal it seems and
3:19:59
so, um, I'm glad to see that Mr. Fuller has his GED and has
3:20:08
experience with welding but I can't ignore his prison
3:20:14
Behavior. His 26 Wright UPS in the amount
3:20:18
of time that he's been in prison, and yes, for the past
3:20:23
five years or so. It looks like he has a clean
3:20:26
disciplinary record but it was terrible before that and I
3:20:31
couldn't help. But notice that, you know, Mr.
3:20:35
Fuller was resented in 2016, and at that point he became eligible
3:20:41
for parole and that is when there was a great uptick in his
3:20:47
disciplinary Behavior, getting better.
3:20:51
And also all the programs I'm looking at these certificates
3:20:56
here and all the classes that he took and that looks like that
3:21:00
was in 2017. So my question is, Is what was
3:21:04
Mr. Fuller doing from 199. Until 2016.
3:21:14
Was he taking classes? I have no, I have two
3:21:18
certificates of completion that predate 2017, I have copies of
3:21:23
15 certificate since 2017. So, in my mind, that's not long
3:21:30
enough. I do think that Mr. Fuller is on
3:21:34
the right path. I, you know, I don't mean to
3:21:38
dismiss all the positive things that he's done but you know,
3:21:43
this case is at the top of the list of the most heartless
3:21:48
dastardly murderers, that I've seen in all my years here.
3:21:51
And so, it's unconscionable to me how even a young person could
3:21:57
plot to do this. He was not, this was not a
3:22:01
youthful impulse, this was something that he and his
3:22:04
co-defendant plan to do and that he bragged to one of the eye
3:22:09
witnesses about. Look, I'm To go get me one.
3:22:11
And so that there were at least eight shots fired, we know the
3:22:17
victim was hit twice, this was an adult crime and just because
3:22:21
his sentence has been amended to allow for parole consideration.
3:22:26
Doesn't mean that he is entitled to it.
3:22:29
And that he shouldn't have to work really hard and have a long
3:22:33
proven record of his Rehabilitation.
3:22:36
So, you know, Mr. Graham left behind a family, they're not on
3:22:41
today but he had people who loved him.
3:22:44
He was known in the neighborhood.
3:22:46
This traumatized. A lot of people I Witnesses
3:22:50
neighbors who were just out in their yard, raking, leaves and
3:22:54
came with witnesses to a murder. A two year old that had to be
3:22:59
grabbed and rushed inside for cover.
3:23:02
Whenever these shots, right now, the lady who was driving down
3:23:06
the street and had and ended up taking Mr. Mr. Graham to the
3:23:11
emergency room. So these are the kinds of crimes
3:23:15
that are far-reaching in our community and we just think that
3:23:21
at this point Mr. Graham's life was worth more than 30 years
3:23:26
and, you know, we want to see more continued progress by Mr.
3:23:31
Fuller, at this point, we think that parole would be premature
3:23:36
and, you know, as I said Mr. Graham deserved better than to
3:23:42
leave this world at the age of 53 at the hands of two young men
3:23:49
that were looking to earn a quick look at the expense of
3:23:52
another human's life. And so I just we heartily
3:23:56
believe that now is not the time for Mr. Fuller.
3:24:00
We feel at this point that parole would deprecate the
3:24:04
seriousness of the crime and cause an undue risk to our
3:24:09
community. So I do agree with something
3:24:12
that Ms were not said in the last hearing that he is on a
3:24:16
path or word and we respectfully request that he be kept on that
3:24:21
path forward from Angola. Thank you for giving me time to
3:24:28
share my comments. Thank you.
3:24:31
We always appreciate hearing from the DA's perspective.
3:24:34
Thank you. All right, Mr. Fuller I have
3:24:38
some questions for you, your case was, as I said, assigned to
3:24:42
me, so I'll take the lead on the interview.
3:24:45
When did you first start using drugs?
3:24:49
How old were you? All around.
3:24:55
Maybe 11 12 years old when I first got into the store.
3:25:00
What, what were you introduced to First?
3:25:03
Marijuana. Any alcohol.
3:25:07
Yes, ma'am, same age. Yes, ma'am. so, Why did you have
3:25:16
a gun that day? That was very young. is just I
3:25:37
guess coming off from one from his just to have protection.
3:25:42
And that day was different for some reason.
3:25:48
Well, you don't didn't usually carry a gun, no matter.
3:25:53
But that day, you just decided to do it.
3:25:55
That's not. Have you given that any
3:25:57
thoughts? Yes, ma'am.
3:26:01
A lot. I think that I was so stupid.
3:26:08
As a Young Man. I think I made a lot of wrong
3:26:12
decisions. Coming up in like as a Young
3:26:16
Man. The seasons that.
3:26:20
Today. I see that they wasn't the right
3:26:24
to see. What?
3:26:31
You got your GED, right? Since you've been.
3:26:33
That's my what grade did you finish in school?
3:26:37
You said that particular day. You skip school?
3:26:39
What grade were you in? Lane Green.
3:26:43
Light gray. All right.
3:26:51
Had you had you repeated any grades?
3:26:57
Repeated our yes, ma'am. Yes, I think that's the great.
3:27:04
I feel the ninth grade. So, when you had a hearing in
3:27:12
2020, I believe as was mentioned and what were the reasons you
3:27:17
were? Told you were denied at that
3:27:18
time? I don't remember all the
3:27:23
reasons, but I know at that time I was still in denial.
3:27:28
I didn't take full responsibility for my actions.
3:27:31
I didn't take full responsibility for using drugs.
3:27:37
I was on drugs, and I was just I was in denial.
3:27:40
I was ashamed. and I just feel, I don't know.
3:27:50
I just feel so you're saying you were, you were on drugs at As
3:27:57
recently as 2020. Is that what you said?
3:28:01
I'm I don't use drugs since I've been here.
3:28:03
Yes, ma'am. Was the last time you did that.
3:28:09
Oh, I haven't did it now. It was before 2020, but I
3:28:14
haven't done no drugs in years now.
3:28:18
All. since like, April 12th, 2017 18, somewhere of a no.
3:28:31
At the time you thought you might be eligible for parole.
3:28:36
Is that what changed you? The hope.
3:28:39
I feel like I had hope again because I honestly thought that
3:28:43
I was going to die young. It's like nothing good has ever
3:28:48
happened to me since I've been in the system.
3:28:51
And I thought I was going to die here.
3:28:53
It's like I had no hope that this was my home.
3:28:58
Well, okay, so let's move on. I think that you were you were
3:29:02
told at that here and I wasn't on that panel but I looked at
3:29:05
the record and I think you were told that you needed some
3:29:09
substance abuse treatment and the rest.
3:29:11
You. Could start program.
3:29:18
Oh, That was a life-changing event.
3:29:23
The students Start program. It taught me about recovering,
3:29:27
it taught me about the core beliefs.
3:29:29
I had then as a kid and coming up now as a man.
3:29:34
With the star program. A lot of men that have known me
3:29:39
over the years. Here it ain't going on. they
3:29:42
know my life then even when I was smoking marijuana, you and
3:29:47
they saw that they see the change in me now to where when
3:29:51
they see me today, I get levels. Now ask me a man.
3:29:56
What man, what you do with your life?
3:29:58
How do you change your life around?
3:29:59
Like this? Look, man, I need some help,
3:30:01
man. Help whatever you doing, man.
3:30:03
Help me do this. And that makes me feel so good
3:30:07
to be able to help another person because I know where you
3:30:11
at, because I don't have been there.
3:30:13
So look Come on. Talk to me and I will talk to
3:30:16
them and I was introduced them to my facilitator.
3:30:19
And we would do a survey on them.
3:30:21
She would do a background check and everybody.
3:30:24
Usually we wouldn't have number eight people in the class.
3:30:26
Right now, we had 20, we don't go up under 20 because you have
3:30:31
so many people from even out of camps.
3:30:34
Sending me words telling me, man.
3:30:36
Man, I hear about what you doing with your life, man.
3:30:39
I like what you doing with your life, man.
3:30:41
How can I be a part of that? And I want to help because
3:30:45
there's so many of my friends have OD'd up your and died off
3:30:49
of drugs. And with the decisions I made as
3:30:52
a youngster, now I can do something to help now.
3:30:56
I can bring me in this way. I can help get me an offer
3:30:59
drugs. That is a feeling I never
3:31:02
thought I have that. I never thought I would love
3:31:04
like this, to be able to help another man changes.
3:31:08
Like, What are the questions I had?
3:31:11
I was going to ask you is about tell me about your community
3:31:14
service work. I think you just that's just
3:31:19
that was just the part of it. Yes, ma'am.
3:31:23
And all a lot of times, they might all sin a little around
3:31:28
the Campfield will feel like name out the go over the camp,
3:31:32
elf and all fellowship and talk to the brothers over there.
3:31:35
We'll go over there, playing him and basketball, or flag football
3:31:38
and sit down, and eat with him and talk with him all.
3:31:41
So do that all. So was getting with the brother,
3:31:44
all Tyrone Glover. I became a member of the member
3:31:48
of the round table with him. I asked him for help, man, when
3:31:52
I get out of here and I help now, and if I'm eligible to get
3:31:56
parole, when you help me, when I get out there, Okay, I have a
3:32:01
couple more comments but I'm going to defer to my colleagues
3:32:04
for any questions before. I make those comments.
3:32:09
Tell us any questions. Prior, not really.
3:32:12
I'm realized here in the interview, the the time you got
3:32:18
most passionate, Was when renazzo was talking about the
3:32:23
star program and all the good that was and you you became a
3:32:26
different person describing that and because I love it.
3:32:31
Yes, I can tell and you've done some good work that I want some.
3:32:35
Congratulations on that. Thank you.
3:32:36
I don't help so many men. I never thought I can do that,
3:32:40
but the way I used to go to run Heats and ask for helping he
3:32:45
will help me. Now I'm in his shoes to where
3:32:47
you got a lot of men coming to me.
3:32:49
Now I can help you. I can talk you because I have
3:32:52
been with you at and now I can help you get to this point now.
3:32:56
So I always tell the man, come on man, talk to him.
3:32:58
I always was good at talking to people, always so Mr. Fuller,
3:33:11
I'm about ready to go, but I wanted to make you aware of a
3:33:15
couple of things. That's my, we do have a letter
3:33:19
from Mr. Willie Graham's daughter.
3:33:22
A. We, this is what she has said.
3:33:29
Her name is Tatiana. Graham.
3:33:32
Miss Graham is unopposed to early release.
3:33:36
She said, I believe he has served enough time on this
3:33:39
crime, I love and miss my dad, but he has been gone for 30
3:33:43
years and this guy was a kid when he shot him.
3:33:47
I hope that he has learned his lesson and become a better
3:33:49
person and will make something good out of his life.
3:33:52
If he gets out, How do you feel about that?
3:34:07
All right, I understand. And so there's one other one
3:34:12
other ladder we have. And I feel compelled that I have
3:34:16
to at least stated for the record.
3:34:18
And this is from the state representative from District
3:34:21
Four. That's Joy.
3:34:22
Walters, and she's written a very nice letter in support
3:34:27
saying that she believes and this is just paraphrasing in
3:34:31
part, she believes in a justice system, that not only holds
3:34:34
people, individuals accountable, but also recognizes growth
3:34:38
rehabilitation in the capacity for change.
3:34:41
And I think we see that in you. So I'm ready to vote Mr. Fuller
3:34:47
my vote. Today will be to Grant your
3:34:49
parole based on your work, the comments by the warden, the
3:34:54
support that you have. And particularly that of the
3:34:56
parole project, I think it's very important that if you are
3:35:00
successful today, you don't go back to Cato Parish.
3:35:04
I know you your sister or somebody said they wanted to
3:35:07
take you to be baptized there. That's something that can be
3:35:10
happening in the Baton Rouge area.
3:35:11
And then when you finish with their programming because
3:35:15
they'll have some programming for you, I would require
3:35:18
community service work, at least eight hours a quarter and that
3:35:22
is to speak to at risky. This month, I would love to do
3:35:27
that. I'm just one vote.
3:35:34
Just Renata. okay, you this is a very difficult job but somebody
3:35:40
that with your behavior and you're All the positives.
3:35:45
You make it less difficult for us to make decisions because of
3:35:49
the age your age at the time of the crime because the support
3:35:53
from your family, the parole projects willingness to be
3:35:56
involved. The behavior while you're being
3:35:58
incarcerated, the victim letter and the passion, you've shown
3:36:03
during your interview, my vote off.
3:36:04
So is to Grant it. Yours been granted Mr. Approved.
3:36:23
yeah, approved and I'm all right with it.
3:36:30
I am, I am. All right, with this went into
3:36:33
half of our overtime. Our, I didn't think it would run
3:36:37
that long, but I think it was worth it.
3:36:40
You know, let's face it. I put in the chat, I put a poll
3:36:43
in as he believable. 43% of you said, no, but 43% of you weren't
3:36:49
sure 14% of you were a yes, dude, was 17, he's been in there
3:36:57
30 years and The victim's daughter.
3:37:02
Said, let him go. So these things are never easy
3:37:07
and you know we talked about the parole board so much here
3:37:09
because they do things that we don't always understand.
3:37:11
Sometimes we do sometimes we don't sometimes they make all
3:37:15
sorts of sons. Sometimes they make no sense at
3:37:17
all, but we've always acknowledged that their job is
3:37:20
incredibly difficult. Um, because even, even if
3:37:27
they're really certain of a guy, they're taking a risk, aren't
3:37:32
they by letting the person out, but I think this was right in
3:37:36
this case again, because the By all accounts, he's doing the
3:37:41
right things. He's doing what you're supposed
3:37:43
to try to do when you're in prison.
3:37:46
And that's not become institutionalized as as judge,
3:37:51
Boyd. Always warns, people.
3:37:52
But rather work on yourself and it appears that's what he has
3:37:55
done. And Again, the victim's
3:38:00
daughters, like, dude was 17. He served 30 years, let him go.
3:38:05
so, Here's hoping that works out.
3:38:08
Here's hoping that he Leads a good life.
3:38:11
With the time. He has left fits in well to the
3:38:14
community becomes a benefit to the community.
3:38:16
I kind of I kind of think he might But we shall see, won't
3:38:21
we? Granny says the victim's
3:38:23
daughter sealed it for me if she's willing so my yeah that's
3:38:26
kind of where I'm at. Because it probably should come
3:38:31
down to them at least in part. I think, I mean, the board, you
3:38:37
know, it's their choice, but I think the family's wishes after
3:38:42
the fact here should carry some weight. and if the family is
3:38:47
acknowledging that he's been punished enough, then you know,
3:38:53
You know, unless he was horrible in front of the parole board,
3:38:56
which he was not. Then.
3:38:59
Then I think it's the right choice.
3:39:01
I mean her Her opinion would not have.
3:39:09
Would not have mattered if he was a complete mess in front of
3:39:12
that board. But he had himself together.
3:39:17
I think he showed the right amount of Contrition and I
3:39:19
believe it was genuine, he's been working on improving
3:39:22
himself. So I think it was good.
3:39:24
Anywho again, I wasn't planning on having a hearing that long
3:39:28
here in the fourth hour, but worth it because it was all
3:39:31
right. A couple things to comment on
3:39:34
and then there's a new story or two if we have time that are of
3:39:38
Interest. If you want to join me, if
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to have your camera on. But anywho.
3:40:18
Like right out of the gate, the gate this morning.
3:40:20
Drunk lady in McNally's Court. so, The staff informs judge that
3:40:29
she smelled of alcohol. So he sends her for a PBT.
3:40:36
And she comes back and she blew a 166.
3:40:40
So twice, twice, the legal limit.
3:40:45
You got a? I get if you're nervous before
3:40:51
going to court, I can totally understand that because these
3:40:55
things any any legal issue you can be nerve-wracking for sure.
3:41:02
but, I think it takes a special kind of dumb.
3:41:08
To be drinking right before court because she says, she's
3:41:10
drinking like right up to write up to 4 a.m. if I recall
3:41:14
correctly. and she was in there like 9:30, so so, she was a 1/6
3:41:23
Allegedly, having stopped drinking about five hours prior.
3:41:26
Then she was hammered, Because she would have been on the way
3:41:31
down. So at some point, She was
3:41:34
probably approaching pass out drunk which means she'd been
3:41:38
drinking all night. um, But then but then she goes on about how
3:41:44
her driver was like the 11th cousin twice removed from
3:41:49
president Trump. So somebody put in the chat, it
3:41:55
might have been granny that you know clearly she has a mental
3:41:57
issue. Maybe there might be, certainly
3:42:01
be a mental thing. They're going on which causes
3:42:04
the behavior of the drinking and the alleged crime in the what
3:42:07
have you? But she could also be just one
3:42:09
of those people who goes crazy when she's been drinking and
3:42:12
starts making things up and seeing things and talking
3:42:15
nonsense, and all of that either way not good.
3:42:18
And I know some of you were surprised that McNally.
3:42:21
Let Her Go. McNally's confusing to me
3:42:25
because he Comes across. We call him judge dad for a
3:42:29
reason, he comes comes across harsh.
3:42:31
So often. but, He also seems to have a soft spot in a
3:42:38
willingness to give people another chance.
3:42:42
The only thing he could have really held her for at that
3:42:45
point was contempt. which, Is kind of a pain in the neck for
3:42:51
them. so, it's probably It's probably in his mind, a path of
3:42:57
least resistance. To just let her go reset the
3:43:01
thing and hope that she learned the lesson from the
3:43:03
embarrassment and gets it right next time.
3:43:05
I don't know. But I'm definitely curious as to
3:43:10
where it goes. Ashley.
3:43:11
I don't know if you still out there in the chat and if you
3:43:14
caught when she's coming back, I forgot and I didn't write it
3:43:18
down. So I'll watch the replay and see
3:43:20
but I definitely want to keep an eye on her.
3:43:24
And see what she's like when she comes back because if she's
3:43:28
drunk again. Yeah, I think it's going to be
3:43:30
different at that point. I don't think she's walking away
3:43:32
that will most certainly be at least being held to the
3:43:38
afternoon session in Kentucky to for their scare the crap out of
3:43:41
her. But, we shall see.
3:43:43
And then we had Okay. Well, thank you, Ashley.
3:43:49
If you could do that, they'd be great.
3:43:50
I mean it's just worth following up on.
3:43:51
So, please, thank Ashley chat because Ashley is like, the
3:43:56
official The official executive assistant of TCF, she keeps
3:44:01
track of everything and her value here to all of us is
3:44:05
incredible. So do thank her, please.
3:44:10
All right, and then there was the judge Stevens guy. so just
3:44:14
to be clear because I wasn't clear on it initially because I
3:44:17
was listening to a couple of other courts when this started
3:44:21
but it got cleared up. By the judge later on.
3:44:26
So originally this guy in 1989 was convicted of Burglary of a
3:44:35
building. and then in 2005, bad behavior with a child.
3:44:42
And then he has got a new charge of burglary burglary.
3:44:46
There we go of a habitation. So he's in front of Judge for
3:44:52
this new charge. He's got two other felonies
3:44:56
which we find out later that he according to him, he didn't get
3:44:59
his quote unquote day in court. So he's all upset with the fact
3:45:04
that he's got two felonies on his record and doesn't feel like
3:45:07
he's been treated justly and how he's Find understood it
3:45:10
correctly, he's working on getting those fixed, which is
3:45:14
like, really impossible for the 89 case and highly unlikely for
3:45:17
the 05 that stuff's kind of done and dusted at this point.
3:45:22
But then we find out. That he's going to pick up
3:45:27
another felony charge because he's trying to buy a witness.
3:45:31
So, there's this lady. and I'm a little unclear as to whether or
3:45:36
not she is the victim or just somebody that that he knows in
3:45:43
the area or something. And I don't mean to sound dumb
3:45:47
on it, but there was a lot of moving Parts in that.
3:45:49
So if you're going to go back and watch any portion of today's
3:45:52
show, that's probably it. And I guarantee you this is
3:45:55
going to be a standalone video tomorrow anyways because it's
3:46:00
that intriguing and complicated. So it will it will be spun off
3:46:04
into its own thing but he's in a situation where he's trying to
3:46:09
buy her, Favorite to him. For 100 dollars.
3:46:17
So, he's an idiot and a cheapskate, because 100 dollars
3:46:20
doesn't even get you a trip to McDonald's for a family for
3:46:25
these days. So I don't know what he's
3:46:28
thinking with that. But What got me?
3:46:33
With that and you tell me if you think different but the most
3:46:35
standout thing there beyond the lunacy was the fact that they
3:46:40
put him up on the stand. Ex-girlfriend.
3:46:45
Thank you, Barbara. I knew there was a connection
3:46:49
there but what I wasn't sure on is if she was was also the
3:46:53
victim. But again, I'm going to re-watch
3:46:56
it myself because there's a lot of moving parts to it.
3:46:58
But what got me was that his attorney put him up on the stand
3:47:03
to start talking and he didn't do himself any favors, their
3:47:07
because, He judge was just getting ticked off by him.
3:47:12
He was argumentative in a lot of ways he's talking about how
3:47:18
these other two felonies. Well, you know, I never had my
3:47:21
day in court for those. So, you know, he doesn't take
3:47:24
responsibility for his bad behavior and bad actions and
3:47:27
this is not a young guy. That's what gets me.
3:47:31
It's special. The older I get, when I see
3:47:34
people that are my age or older acting a fool, I drive me up a
3:47:39
wall. At my age, you should definitely
3:47:43
know better. If you're older than me you
3:47:45
Duffin definitely, definitely should know better.
3:47:47
You know, I I I'm I've been on record.
3:47:50
I can get behind the the one-off bad choice because we've all
3:47:55
made them. Just don't make that choice
3:47:56
again. But this guy, he's got other
3:47:59
plans and the hundred dollars to buy a witness is crazy to me.
3:48:04
So he gets this. He gets his bond doubled from 30
3:48:08
to 60,000. And the judge has asked that a
3:48:12
be referred to the grand jury. So he's gonna have yet another
3:48:17
and if I recall correctly because of the previous two
3:48:19
felonies, this new one was going to be a 25 to Life potential.
3:48:24
And now he's gonna have another felony on top of that, which is
3:48:28
going to be tried as well. Unless they plead it out
3:48:32
somehow. So it's insane.
3:48:35
That was one of the more crazy and interesting things we've
3:48:39
seen in Stephen's Court. We normally don't see people on
3:48:42
the stand unless he's doing a full blown trial.
3:48:45
So that was fun to watch. But it's been a good day.
3:48:51
Great granny. Don't forget, the don't forget
3:48:55
about the ex-girlfriend witness that he tried to get her to
3:48:57
write a letter saying. Nothing was in his truck.
3:49:00
Yeah. And then you say me too down, we
3:49:04
should have learned by the time we get to our age, the crime
3:49:06
doesn't pay, you would hope that we would learn.
3:49:10
Again, I don't I don't get too harsh on people.
3:49:17
For. Making mistakes along the way
3:49:20
and making bad choices along the way.
3:49:22
So we're all do it. I mean there's some things that
3:49:24
that are definitely more egregious than others and we
3:49:28
know what those things are. And Some of them, you can
3:49:32
definitely argue or not forgivable.
3:49:34
But most things are most things. you know, even the burglary of
3:49:40
the building, You know, stupid Choice, pay your price fix
3:49:47
yourself and you could move on from that but to keep doing dumb
3:49:50
things over and over this. When you get up there in years
3:49:53
is just insane to me. all right, let's Let's pull up some media
3:50:01
real quick, go through a couple of things and we'll call it a
3:50:03
day. So, yesterday we were talking
3:50:06
about the Savannah. Guthrie's mom thing.
3:50:09
And if you're not familiar, if you aren't with us yesterday,
3:50:11
this happened over the weekend. So Savannah Guthrie is the
3:50:15
co-host of The Today Show and NBC her mother lives down in the
3:50:20
Tucson area here in Arizona, where the TCF bunker is located.
3:50:25
and, Mother just went missing over the weekend.
3:50:29
Well, some stuff has come out. There have been reported, rather
3:50:36
that first off TMZ apparently received a ransom letter.
3:50:42
And they have turned it over to the FBI, to try to authenticate
3:50:45
it and see what's really going on with it.
3:50:48
But then Ashleigh Banfield who I believe is on news Nation
3:50:52
actually reported last night that the son-in-law Of the mom.
3:51:00
Not not the one that's married to Savannah, but to married to
3:51:03
Savannah's sister is a suspect and supposedly his car was towed
3:51:09
last night. Now.
3:51:13
The morning. However, The Sheriff's Office
3:51:16
and Pima County is pushing back. They tweeted this out or exited
3:51:20
out or whatever you do over there.
3:51:21
Now, just a couple of hours ago at this point of investigators,
3:51:25
have not identified a suspect or person of interest.
3:51:28
In this case, detectives continue to speak with anyone
3:51:30
who may have had contacts with Mrs, Guthrie.
3:51:34
Detectives are working closely with the Guthrie, family.
3:51:36
We appreciate the Public's concern.
3:51:38
The sharing of unverified accusations are small or false
3:51:41
information is irresponsible, and does not assist the
3:51:45
investigation. No suspect or Person of Interest
3:51:48
has been identified at this time.
3:51:54
So, this is kind of becoming a little bit of a poo, poo, show
3:51:58
in my mind. Anyways, Because you got the
3:52:06
media tracking down leads and trying to figure stuff out.
3:52:08
And the sheriff's department is like, no, no, no we don't know
3:52:11
what's going on, which I get the idea that they don't want to
3:52:15
like release stuff that might hamper the investigation. but,
3:52:21
There's this Habit in a lot of police agencies now to just do
3:52:24
flat out denials for everything and then later on the things
3:52:28
that we're did, they were denying proved to be true and it
3:52:32
kind of ends up being on their face.
3:52:34
So, regardless of that, I'm going to continue to keep an eye
3:52:38
on the story. You know, because it's a
3:52:41
national story. It's happening in our backyard
3:52:43
here in Arizona and It's a little bit disturbing that in 84
3:52:48
year old woman, just kind of mining her businesses abducted
3:52:52
from her home. I don't personally I mention
3:52:55
this yesterday. I don't see him motivation to
3:52:56
that unless it is money related. um, Could be wrong.
3:53:02
Who knows? If it was, I will say though, if
3:53:05
it is like the the son-in-law, if he is involved, then there
3:53:10
might have been Something other than a money issue, but in the
3:53:14
same respect, he certainly not gonna get away with it.
3:53:17
Is he so I don't know. Great granny.
3:53:23
They won't tell if they did or didn't have a suspect this early
3:53:26
in the investigation unless they had a suspect in hand, in my
3:53:28
opinion. I would tend to agree with you.
3:53:32
but, There's a little too much silence that's going on with all
3:53:37
of this. The only thing they're saying is
3:53:39
it's it's a criminal investigation but normally we'd
3:53:44
have a little more info out of them. that would at least
3:53:49
involve the public a little bit more which makes me wonder
3:53:53
exactly what's going on. It's just bizarre but time will
3:53:58
tell, I'm gonna keep an eye on it.
3:54:01
So one more story that we've got time for and I wanted to bring
3:54:04
this one yesterday, but we got caught up talking about the
3:54:07
other crazy. But this is interesting because
3:54:11
it involves a judge. In Detroit.
3:54:14
Now this is not a judge that we follow here on TCF.
3:54:19
I'm not sure that she even streamed her Court.
3:54:22
But Detroit judged three, others charged in alleged scheme to
3:54:26
steal thousands from vulnerable and incapacitated people.
3:54:32
Detroit judge in three, others, charged by federal prosecutors
3:54:35
for their role in years long scheme to embezzle money from
3:54:40
incapacitated and vulnerable individuals.
3:54:43
Us attorney's office for the eastern district of Michigan
3:54:46
said Andrea Bradley Baskin 46. A district judge on the
3:54:51
Michigan's 36th District Court. Is alleged to have used 70,000
3:54:56
dollars in Awards, funds, to purchase an ownership, stake in
3:55:00
a local bar and money embezzled from the estate of award to pay
3:55:05
a two-year lease on a new Ford Expedition for herself.
3:55:11
Quote we respect the authority, that covers a black robe, the
3:55:16
state judge and her cronies allegedly abused that high honor
3:55:19
for personal gain by preying on the needy protected by the
3:55:22
court. Us attorney Jerome Gorgon said
3:55:26
in a statement, this would be a grievous abuse of public Trust.
3:55:32
Regardless of a person's position in society.
3:55:34
No one is above the law, added Jennifer Runyan, special agent
3:55:37
in charge of the FBI, Detroit field office.
3:55:40
These four, defendants allegedly conspired to steal from some of
3:55:44
the most vulnerable citizens, alluding bank accounts,
3:55:47
exploiting legal Authority, and profiting off those who rely on
3:55:51
them to care for care and protection.
3:55:55
The attorneys office said Nancy Williams, 59 Avery Bradley, 72
3:55:59
and Dwight Rashad, 69 and Bradley Baskin.
3:56:05
All Detroit residents were charged with conspiracy to
3:56:07
commit wire fraud. Which is the one that the feds
3:56:12
always run to because it is the one that sticks wire fraud and
3:56:15
male frog. The actual crime that you did
3:56:18
doesn't matter this one sticks. Quote the indictment also
3:56:23
charges Bradley with one counter for wire fraud Bradley Bradley
3:56:26
Baskin and Rashad with several counts of money, laundering and
3:56:30
Bradley Baskin with a single count of making a false
3:56:33
statement of federal law enforcement agent.
3:56:36
Lawyers represented Bradley Baskin did not immediately
3:56:39
respond Saturday to a request for comment from Fox.
3:56:44
The attorney's office, citing, the indictment said probate
3:56:47
courts regularly appointed, Guardians and conservatives to
3:56:50
manage the personal and financial affairs of adults
3:56:53
known as Wards who have been found by the court to lack the
3:56:56
capacity to do. So for themselves, the
3:56:58
indictment alleges that Nancy Williams owned, guardian and
3:57:01
Associates, an agency that was appointed as a fiduciary by the
3:57:06
Wayne County Probate Court for incapacitated Awards in over
3:57:10
1,000 cases. Avery Bradley is an attorney who
3:57:14
along with his daughter and fellow attorney Andrea Bradley
3:57:17
Baskin operated, a law firm that often represented guardian and
3:57:21
Associates in Wayne County, Probate Court and otherwise,
3:57:24
practice regularly in that Court.
3:57:28
Dwight, Rashad operates, a series of group homes, and
3:57:32
residential facilities for elderly, individuals, including
3:57:34
Wards, who support, and care, who needed, support, and care.
3:57:39
the indictment alleges of the four, defendants conspired to
3:57:42
systematically embezzle funds from the wars in to obtain and
3:57:45
retain money for themselves that rightly belong to the wards and
3:57:48
the wards of state's Prosecutors described how in one case,
3:57:53
Bradley Williams and Rashad allegedly took around. 203,000
3:57:57
dollars in funds from Awards, legal settlement, and with none
3:58:02
of the money being used to benefit the ward.
3:58:05
Williams is alleged to have paid Rashad rent for Wards who did
3:58:09
not live in one of Rashad's homes.
3:58:10
They said cases being investigated by the FBI and the
3:58:14
IRS criminal investigations. There is nothing.
3:58:22
Worse. Well, there's a lot of things
3:58:24
worse, for what we watch here on TCF.
3:58:26
He could make an argument that there's nothing worse than a
3:58:28
judge Behaving Badly. But somehow this doesn't
3:58:34
surprise me. One of the things I see in the
3:58:37
comments a lot here. Is how?
3:58:42
People can't believe that a judge, does this sort of that.
3:58:45
And specifically when they make those comments they're asking or
3:58:49
seeking for the judge to To supersede his or her authority
3:58:54
to be heavy-handed with something to come down harder on
3:58:57
somebody even when it's not within their authority to do.
3:59:00
So, they want to Grant all of the power in this control over
3:59:06
to the one person in the black robe.
3:59:08
And I would say if nothing else cases like this.
3:59:12
Continue to prove that the people in the black robe, have
3:59:16
the capacity to be just as flawed if not more so than the
3:59:19
rest of us. So, taking all of that power.
3:59:23
Consolidating it in one person or in one position is just like
3:59:30
the worst idea in the history of ever.
3:59:32
So, I for me, this case is, yet another reminder that you just,
3:59:36
you can't. You can't do that, there's bad
3:59:39
people everywhere. Of course, this is allegations
3:59:42
at this point will see what proves out is the case moves on
3:59:45
and this is another thing, I'll keep an eye on but The end of
3:59:51
the day. You can't truly trust anybody.
3:59:55
It would seem and you always have to be on the lookout and
3:59:59
never give too much power to one person or one group of people,
4:00:03
because power corrupts and more often than the knot.
4:00:07
It would seem something will happen.
4:00:08
Something will go wrong. And in this case, you know,
4:00:11
hundreds of thousands of dollars gone missing from the people who
4:00:15
needed at the most so, Just my thoughts on that.
4:00:20
All right, friends, we're pretty much ready to call it a day.
4:00:23
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4:00:26
court today. A lot of good things that we saw
4:00:30
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