Latest / Upcoming Trial of Nathan Chasing Horse April 14, 2025 / Boundaries are important for our mental healt
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- Marina Crane: Did you hear that? Yeah, I heard it. Yeah, so as I as I eat my falafel. Anyway, ⁓ So. Where did I start off? Ask me the question and I'll be able to focus. This this tea is delicious ⁓ Okay, So I didn't know what to expect ⁓ The one like you were asking me about the lady like the one who knew Nathan Yeah Okay, so so I so I wrote the blog and Like I said, I never got any emails. I didn't think it was trending nothing Like for 20 years, it was just like, ⁓ you know, like I said, somebody would contact me. I do an update. Nobody would email me. I get a few phone calls like plus that too. I had to be really discerning. I had like one time I had ⁓ a young woman from Saskatchewan ⁓ saying she was a victim of Nathan chasing horse, but it didn't feel right. You know, I felt like like ⁓ she wasn't she was she was just being curious. So I didn't publish what she said to me. You know, because I guess the things didn't fit. Things about Nathan that just didn't fit. So I didn't think she was like, like her story was honest. Okay, so, you know, like moments like that I'd publish or I wouldn't publish, but the majority of times I did write, do updates. And rightfully so too because people would you know people his followers would you know say that I'm lying and like cuz he he Manipulated them and this is the point like for 20 years like ⁓ I didn't know people were listening and reading my blog I Didn't know that when I went down to ⁓ Las Vegas on that like the March 11th, and I met the lady she says She introduced me to these other women like from California, but not just women, but people from California, Montana, New Mexico, Arizona. And they shook my hand. Roslyn, all these people had read my blog. They had read my blog. They had read my blog. they and they said, if it weren't for you blogging. Like they wouldn't they wouldn't have stepped back and wondered why were they supporting Nathan Chasing Horse? Awesome. Well, see, see, that's the whole thing too. It's like when I do my podcast and I'm talking like to the general public, I know that there are people out there who are living some sort of traumatic experience like a vent or, or something is happening in their families that's similar and they're, they're trying to figure out like, can I, how can I deal with this? How can I heal from it? Is this like, ⁓ I normal for feeling this way? Because a lot of times, you you're wondering, ⁓ I should just not bother. Don't, you know, I won't deal with it. But the reality of it is if you do not, if you do not deal with it somewhere along the line, some crisis will happen in your life. And that trauma just percolates to the top and you have a compound trauma to the event. then you don't have the capacity to grieve. or even look after yourself. these things, we just think, well, ⁓ in history, ⁓ well, they took care, they were strong, they didn't have this and that. But the reality of it is like there's community. And what I'm finding out is that because we're indigenous, yes, we've had community. But I think it's in every human race, every human being, whatever ethnic background you come from, there's always going to be this epiphany or this moment or this dilemma of like, am I the only one or is it just my community that this is happening to? And I think when you start talking about the abuse, then you realize it's like universal. And if it's universal, then how do you process it? because you still have to live in your skin. You still have to be indigenous. See, and for me, like even if I'm talking about a black person, you know, like there's a hell of a lot of black people who are millionaires and yet they wear their skin. I mentioned this one lady, said to me, she said, my brother, ⁓ he wears his skin. He drives a really luxurious car. The police pull him over, he's black. He's wearing his skin. Doesn't matter how rich you are. Systemic racism, like, you know, when you're wearing your skin, you have to wear your skin. And that's the thing, like I think with Indigenous women. I was talking about ⁓ gender psychology and gender studies and the need to develop a curriculum for Indigenous young girls so they can make... ⁓ so they can make ⁓ decisions, choices in their lives. Like what's a good choice? So that there's prevention for them to not be manipulated or groomed or trafficked. And what does it look like and how does it feel? And at the same time, if they don't feel comfortable at home, what do the support workers, the youth workers, like the counselors, the social workers, the teachers? Whoever works with them in the schools or in community, how do they provide ⁓ support and ⁓ help them feel safe when the trafficking could be happening right within their home? And that's the dilemma because, ⁓ you know, the survivors, like they said, they were drinking the Kool-Aid. They didn't know they were involved with this dangerous man. Like the one lady, she came to my community and she asked the one lady said, ⁓ there's Marina. And she says, I looked and I thought, where is she? She said, she pointed you out to me. And she said, I looked at you and I thought, She's a grandma. I said, what do you think I've been trying to tell people? You know, when I met Nathan Chasing Horse, I was already like 55. You know, I was already a senior. And here for 20 years, he's been telling them a lie that I'm this woman who wears makeup and lipstick and eyeshadow and. you know, ⁓ is a cougar prowling around on the bars on the weekend, picking up, you know, being promiscuous and chasing them. Like, and I, I, said, which is, which is disclosing this to me. said, why do you think I said, why do you think I was so angry? I said, I have my own family members, not even defending me. have people in my community, not even defending me, knowing how old I am. Like that's why as a senior woman, I'm saying healthy human sexuality. Why do people do that to Indigenous women of all ages? Why are we so violent, like emotionally violent to our own sex, our own gender? And it has to start off like when we're young. That's why I think, you know, that's why I think, you know, giving some history about ⁓ like Bill C-30 when a lot of young Indigenous women don't know why, how ⁓ our own people were groomed by the Indian agents. Yeah. Having discussions with that, like with academics and with, you know, ⁓ youth workers and people who have skill counseling, ⁓ adolescents, having some sort of support for them. so that they're not that, so they're not vulnerable because when they go home, the home is worse for them because the parents have some sort of disorder or have some sort of dysfunction and they make the home a dangerous place for them. You know, that's the key thing is because I think a lot of times when we have a mental health issue, that we think it's somebody else's problem and that it's not us or it's not me. And that's why I said it takes a hell of a lot of courage to deal with your shit. That's why I say it took me 20 years for me to report that I was sexually assaulted and for me to face my truth. ⁓ A lot of times women don't want to hear ⁓ things because it triggers them as well. So, so those, the impact that those women had, because they said every, every, like it was constant. It wasn't, it wasn't a just one time thing where Nathan Chasing Horse had said to them, they, it was constantly him telling them, don't Google my name. Because my blog, my blog is on Google. Yeah. ⁓ wow. And I said I knew he had something against me, but I didn't know how he was indoctrinating his followers. Yeah. yet people who knew me weren't even defending me. So you were a threat to him then, Well, I believe I was a threat when he was... I was this technician... I was a technician planning ceremonies and organizing ceremonies where they were going to be held. And I tell people not once did I give him tobacco. Because people think, well, she like when people give me tobacco. Like a friend of mine said, she said, ⁓ this young woman gave her tobacco at a conference. I think it was in Winnipeg. She says, this young woman, there was a woman's conference. says, this young woman came up to me, gave me tobacco and a ⁓ bag of gifts, because an offering. She says, in that bag, there was cedar tobacco, sweet grass. And then she said, and there was women's products in there. Sanitary tampons and stuff. And she said that was so inappropriate. ⁓ She says, and I'm an elder woman. And she said to that young woman, I can't accept this. And the young woman ⁓ got offended. And you know, my elder friend says, I was taught these things when I was a young woman. You know, there are some things that you can't accept. Like having two things in one bundle. I was never giving like this. Wow, that's crazy. Exactly. even too, like, I was invited. Like I work with ⁓ Indian Residential School Memorial and Confluence and I was given tobacco and there was a group of young people, like I say in 30 and 40. And I could sense they were hostile. But, you know, and I And, but my lesson why I'm mentioning this story is after the meeting, I had tears in my eyes and I spoke to the indigenous liaison and I said, did you see how they treated me? And he said, yes. He said, any elder would have just walked out. And that was a lesson. That was a lesson for me that when people organize and invite me as an indigenous elder woman to come and pray, I expect them to protect me. against misogyny, against our own people, Roslyn. Because that offering of tobacco should be a place of, you you're creating a sacred space and it should also be a safe space. Yeah, that's right. That's why the relationship between creator and you is that bond of tobacco, that sacred medicine. That's why when I tell people, not once did I give him Nathan Chasing Horse tobacco. I did not trust him. My gut, I didn't trust him. Even when I tried to talk to women about the charisma he had. Instead they turned it around and like, ⁓ you're this cougar. And that's where it all started, that catalyst. You know, I had women's, I had people saying, oh, he's got emails. He's got emails from you, professing your love for him. I'm going, what? Wow. Well, however they saw me, like on March 11th, said, but like it was March 10th, was talking to the lady. I said, tomorrow at the sentencing. I should dress up, put on heavy makeup, blue eyeshadow, red lipstick, false eyelashes, false fingernails, show my breast. ⁓ why? I said, because that's the image he painted of me. Wow. Defaming my character. defamation is it not? Well get this. I was so broken hearted after I came back from Las Vegas Nevada at an event that happened. Like I said, we have to deal with our shit because when shit hits the fan and you're broken hearted, how well do you recover from it? You know, my niece's daughter was on Facebook. And this woman had made a comment about my brother and myself. I didn't even know this because I'm not on their Facebook. An acquaintance sent me the photo. The reason I'm telling you this is like, I'm no longer associating with that, that acquaintance because there was none of her business to show me that shit. It was really defamating, defamation of my character. And, I had to call the tribal police. They said we can't do anything because you're not on their Facebook. The person who sent you the photos, that's her responsibility to report it. ⁓ I see. Okay. But the reality of it is like ⁓ that defamation of character. There's my niece's daughter, like in our way, my granddaughter, not even defending me. Wow. That same, that same defamation of what Nathan Chasinghorse painted of me. This granddaughter is still promoting it. Wow. I'm for that kid. Holy... She's a young woman. She's a young woman. I think it was... Hold on here, I've got... Let's see. I think, yeah, here it goes, it went like this, hold on. If I can open this up. ⁓ Let's see, where does it go? ⁓ here she goes. She goes, this is Dan Crane pushing his way into the space where you should be banished. Disgusting AF. I know what he did to Roberta and his six sister Marina Crane sticks up for him. She's a child predator herself. then, yes, yes, now get this. And so they're talking about. She says the reason some men struggle with this concept is because they try to enter child behavior instead of adults responsibility They ask what the child said how the child acted and what the child's War says and then she or whether or not the child wanted it none of the charges None of the charges cases of changes the fact that the responsibility always lies with the adult Statutory rape laws exist to protect minors from adults who tried to blur that line And so that woman who sent it, says, Sitton should banish him from holding sweats. But then you have another ⁓ Whitney counselor inviting visitors to have ceremony with him. Again, disgusting. Now, then she addresses my grandchild. She tells her, I have nothing to lose out there. Therefore, I will always stand by those who've been victims like Roberta. See, and I'm going, where the hell does this woman? who's not even a nation member, talking to my granddaughter, and my granddaughter replies, thank you. I know how isolating it can be too, but after this long, it's like me, M-E-H, I appreciate you. And then the woman says to my granddaughter, it's heartbreaking, it's so disgusting seeing him show up everywhere and no one says anything. I come to the reserve that I have paid to vote me on, I have nothing to lose calling these pedophiles. And she's including me in this! She's including me in this and then and again my granddaughter is not even defending me She was ⁓ you know and and ⁓ Like that's what I'm saying. I was heartbroken. And I thought, when is this defamation of my character gonna stop, even with my granddaughter? And the thing is my granddaughter doesn't understand that when I went to Las Vegas and I spoke to those women who knew Nathan a lot longer than my granddaughter's mother. So my granddaughter's mother was supported Nathan for 20 years. And the abuse, the abuse he did to her, what those ladies told me, what Nathan did to my niece, my niece, is like, I think she's 52 now. Yeah. Like it's just like a battered wife. He'd emotionally abuse her and she'd go back for more. And then here's her daughter. Here's her daughter. What the hell? That's why I'm going... This whole abuse thing, this whole denial of trauma, it percolates even within my family. Like I said to ⁓ the lady, said, my other niece, ⁓ she was just eight years old, and Nathan would take the medicine rattle and hit her on the head. I said to scare her and and the lady said well, that's what he did to my daughter and that's how he groomed her You know, he would he would get off sexually by scaring the bejesus out of these kids You know, know force it first it's you know, it's women but yet he couldn't get you know, like it's just a deep psychological turn-on for ⁓ For people for him. That's why when this lady is including me in this ring of pedophilia, she doesn't even understand the whole scope of what I've been advocating for. And like, ⁓ I was so brokenhearted. And then I sent this off to ⁓ one of the men who was interviewing me ⁓ like for ⁓ trafficking. And I thanked him for, you know, helping me. And he says, of course, any time. And pardon my French, but that bitch can fuck off. laugh my ass off. She must be incredibly hurt, jealous and lonely if this is how she chooses to spend her time. Be thankful you don't have to live with that kind of hate in your heart." And it just got to me and I thought, bless his heart. Yeah. You know, because it's, it's, it's, can be, it can be crippling and debilitating. Wow. And my sister even called and she said, don't let her get to you. Don't let them get to you. You know, like I try and tell people, when somebody commits a crime in our communities, our small communities, the whole family is seen as being guilty. Yeah. And I said, you know, I looked, I had to help my brother's children. My brother's children did not do this criminal act. My brother did. Yeah. And the fact that we're not a sovereign nation when it comes to our child and family. You know, I had to go to chief and council just to get my niece and nephew back into the community. I couldn't advocate for my niece Roberta because she wasn't a nation member. She was shipped into the city in a group home where she was trafficked. Like, know, women like this woman, you know, talking about my niece, like, let her let her let her spirit rest. in peace. Everything I've tried to do to help her failed. This whole episode with Nathan Chasing Horse has taught me that I have to forgive myself and stop blaming myself for not saving Roberta because I was in a situation that was impossible. And those women who read my blog Like this is the reality. If that woman who wrote this about me on Facebook, if she understood the gravity and the gratefulness or the appreciation those women have towards me. Like basically I saved their lives. I saved their lives because they read my blog. And the thing is like, took years for them to process. Like it wasn't just like a one-time thing reading my blog. They would constantly see updates of what I was writing. For them to leave the cult, for them to leave his influence. And the fact that, you know, they finally had courage to, like the one lady started putting it on Facebook. because you know the power of social media. But her charges... Excuse me. ⁓ her name is red and also sierra those two women That that initial that were the catalyst for this Both of those cases were thrown out of the supreme court of nevada But it's the I think there's 13 charges is found guilty Out of those out of those charges ⁓ They're all it all it's all based on. It's all based on ⁓ hold on here. Sexual assault. There's 13 guilty verdicts. All minors under the age of 16. out of the 13, only three. So there's 10 sexual assault charges for under the age of 16. He's guilty of. Those aren't, those are just, those are just from video tapes that they were able to identify as him sexually assaulting them in a hotel room in Las Vegas. There are more, there's more that aren't for the state that the federal government, the FBI has on him. Yeah, so that's what I wanted to say is like the impact of writing a narrative and not knowing who you're reaching. Yeah. Like it's important. For sure. But anyway, just want to... So I think like ⁓ when I went down there on March 11th, it was just really like trauma. They came out. I could see them crying because they wanted to see what he was going to be, what he was serving. Now on the 27th, they're going to hear it. So I think it's something to celebrate. Yeah, I think so too. mean, totally. Yeah, so if you could think about it and let me know what you think about it. Because I've got about three weeks to plan something.