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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of Village of the Angels · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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With a blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast in which
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fabulous spectacular charismatic intelligent and God damn sexy.
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Dylan Reese is here to have a fluxing marvelous time with me
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about Jodie, Whittaker, and the flux.
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Hello Dylan. Hello.
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It's wonderful to be here. I was actually reminded of your
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robots of death commentary. The other day in which It was
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your guest on that. Sorry his nose, leave Alexander
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Steven, Alexander, lovely, lovely human.
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Who I met in real life. When I met you lovely, lovely
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guy but he ended one of the episodes as final question was,
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what do you like to get fucked by someone wearing them evoke
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Mass? Although that was, you know,
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that was you that asked that question.
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It was me, it was and then listeners are then get a
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photograph recently of the robot Master he's got so there's a
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little piqued their interest. Into what delivery spare time.
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I've got to say your missus, she's very accommodating.
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She is serious sexual. Antics, ask what your robot
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designation? Is it the 69?
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Yes, yes, it is. Furiously, trying to think of a
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sexually finger, then I was like 12, 34 56, 56, 69.
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Yes, or you smashed? As far as sexual innuendo Doctor
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Who jokes that's up there with my grand serpent.
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Unfortunately, we are going to be watching episode today where
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there is no sex with robots. No.
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But if you're into sexy Stone ladies, then you're in luck.
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You are in luck now looking, come on, we're gonna have this
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out before we even start the episode, okay?
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Because you sent me a message. Here's me thinking, you loved
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every part of this season. I think you had a little bit of
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an adverse reaction to this episode.
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Sewed. So I like everybody love this.
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When it went out and thought it was a great bit of Doctor Who
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but revisiting this time it's not that it's bad it is not a
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bad bit of doctor here at all. But in this like cycle of
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episodes in this series, I think it slows things down a little
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too much and I know the angels are involved in the plot but it
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just feels a bit too. Traditional Doctor Who in this
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run and I much preferred last week's episode.
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To this on this re-watch. I think it's great but I'd
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prefer it if we were it was just more flux flux flux.
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But maybe you can convince me that actually it's all tied up.
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Do you think this is why the majority of yeah prefer this?
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Because it is like because a bit like her voice in trial of a
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Time. Lord is just like our four-part
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Doctor Who story in a normal season of Standalone stories.
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Yeah, exactly. If this is Doctor Who base Under
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Siege, Scary monsters, Gothic horror All That Jazz and so I
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can see why people like it. But for me and where it is, I'm
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just like, get me back to the main action.
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Whereas I okay, so previous to this really confess this 21 Iva
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are I have been a bit muted about this episode.
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On this watch toxically, I really enjoyed it.
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And you know what, I enjoyed the most was I thought the execution
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of this episode was Peerless. Oh yeah, it looks amazing as
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well. Cast looks great like and in in
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terms of trying to drive a scare, it's one scene after
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another of really great scarce. I think we've had an awful lot
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of that in Kimmel's time. No, not still, I think.
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It's he's done a lot of big action things, but I don't think
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he does Doctor here as a horror story.
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Like he makes things scary, like he makes the Daleks scary again,
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I think, but he is not the jump-scare Doctor Who writer and
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in terms of like scary set pieces, I think this might be
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the chippers era ever so. Because spits like, I mean the
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bit where they go for that tunnel and all those bloody
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Angel has great. I mean I'm claustrophobic that
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truck. That literally brings me out in
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hives. Watch that bit but that's what I
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thought was really, really good. Was there were some really
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subtle but really good characterization of the non
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regulars in this as well. Yeah.
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And just we've sort of one or two lines.
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You got a good sense of who they all were, even that fucking
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creepy kid. That's in this What's an eye?
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Our name is with the pigtails. She belongs to the family of
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blood. That's our scary shit.
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The old couple where he says her at one point.
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You know, what's got into you? Because she's finally standing
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up to him for, like the first time in their entire marriage.
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Claire, get some really nice moments.
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Jericho is brilliantly, characterized only Doctor Who
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fans, loved Jericho didn't matter and so do I.
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Yeah. You see I mean we'll get into a
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bit more but, I mean, His characters, one of the best
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things about the twin Bielema by God when he takes off that
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tinfoil jacket, that's all black tank.
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Top attention to a is so he still stayed on.
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I think he would've been a great companion.
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Oh yeah, I mean, well, we sort of, I mean, different character
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obviously. But we do guess, you know, he
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sort of becomes a companion in this, doesn't it?
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I don't genuinely in the vanquishers.
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I think the moment that got me the most It was when he exits.
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Yeah, knocks. Yeah.
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I just, I just thought it was so engaging bullet.
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Okay, sad moment. Let's let's let that will come
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in sensually. Let's watch this thing and I
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know it's not a battle because I know you like a lot of this
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entire 100% like it. I just I was my response was a
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lot more muted this time but I'm still got lots of positive
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things to say about it because it's not a bad episode of Doctor
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Who by any means. I just have a problem with it
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being at this point in this season.
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Sometimes it's like a double-edge sword.
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Only, the danger came back is, is you can have this reaction
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or, you know, sniffs. Oh, you haven't enjoyed that.
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You can actually Come Away with a much more positive impression
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and I never know which way it's going to go.
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You know, you know, mind wall which one of time Jack every
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time I watch it, the oscillation swings.
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Yeah. And never quite tell with his
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really shit or absolutely amazing.
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But anyone what watch I'm doing. It's also such a good-looking
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episode of Doctor Who mind or so like I think Think it looks
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really unique. So I'm with you like I watch it
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one time. I'm like this is not what I want
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my daughter to look like we're the same time.
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I watch again that is just so fresh and interesting and not
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like anything I've seen before pink sky is so Gaius Planet.
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You've ever seen? Okay, let's do it.
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Am I better? It starts like a him.
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Yes, please, let's Press Play in 5 4. 3 2 1.
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So really in spike in this one I can imagine people would come
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back for the Angels. No I don't think that one of
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them is a huge Spike. I've got the Tardis, Wikipedia
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page, open in front of me actually.
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So I could probably pull up the ratings and my first question
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for you is this is one, what do you think of the angels and to
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do you think they're always used effectively or hazy idea?
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Got a little tired I think it got tired.
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Amy, and Rory's last story. That's the only time I'm well as
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a bit. Like, I don't like the whole,
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the Statue of Liberty being one, things like that.
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I was just a bit little bit over and the little cameos, they
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making them off a tiara, but I blink and time of angels, I
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think of, I think they're both Classics.
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I love both of those stories, a lot.
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And I think that they're great in this too.
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I think there is a danger. You have to find something new
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to do with them and they used very effectively in this.
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So it's just like, I really hate though.
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The Cameo heavy stuff of just throwing things in because I
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think it cheapens been too much and you know when they came
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along in the Time of the Doctor just that be in the snow or
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there was another one I'll help in as well whether just down V
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and I'm like okay you are literally I'll just throw away
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monsters. Now I liked the you know, Steven
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Moffat said that heaven sends originally, his concept was the
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doctor in a haunted house or an old house trapped with the
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angels which I think there's a cool idea as well, but I'm very
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glad. Not the version that we did
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ratings for this were 3.5 million Consolidated 4.55.
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So I don't think it that's a huge increase from the previous
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race, kisses success. Now, isn't it?
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Yes, I mean, another thing with Doctor Who fans love to talk
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about is ratings and I'm the same, but everybody's got their
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opinions and anything was pulling in four million views, a
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week is an absolute certified success in.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I bet I think the the opening
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of this episode, you know, as the camera was slowly panty in
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across the Village Green, sort of missed descending on this
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Village. This is visual porn for Doctor
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Who fans isn't here. We're talking curse of fenric.
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We're talking the demons, you know, it's like classic
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iconography. Doctor Who fans love a small
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Country Village, don't know, I kind of do as well.
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I keep meaning to go back to the village that had evens was
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filmed in. I They do a convention there but
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I don't think I want to go for the convention.
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I think I just want to go and visit it.
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I went when I was a kid and there was a convention on it was
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the last one with Jon Pertwee did.
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And I remember it being a boiling hot day but I just want
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to go there and see in Republic Wonder around the village.
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Maybe we should just meet there. You know you me and Mark we'll
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just because if we go to the convention, we risk seeing John
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Levine, don't we that's true. No.
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Yeah let's do it. Let's have a day out.
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Okay people are being very indulgent as now we're planning.
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Our Field trips and you're all invited.
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You know all invited. Sorry guys.
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This is this is like the start of a great horror movie that you
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know the what's the thing called like the truth detector.
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Yeah. Crazy.
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The close-ups on that she's got the thing on her head looking
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like she's in the electric chair.
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Yeah. It's all very, you know.
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Yeah. It's as say it's classic sort of
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horror tropes and, you know, Doctor Who's done it before.
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It's similar is a similar setup to say that hide or something
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like that. It's just it's just lovely.
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And you is that doctor who has a movie idea?
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Isn't it of like taking ID have for the best filled in the world
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and do it in 45 minutes. And we were saying in Once Upon
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Time commentary that you know, the Hinchcliffe era is
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justifiably Lord is for being as good as it was at the time and
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this is completely leaning into that, isn't it?
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Yeah. This is almost like cherry
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picking the best horror movies of happened since then.
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Yeah. I mean it.
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You know that the the Weeping Angels can't help but sort of
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drawn the whole image of the Angel thing drawn Ring, The Ring
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and stuff like that. And I just think they used very
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well here and there's some there's some great moments have
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been doing new stuff and it's always cool when they think of
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new new things. Do like that moment in time of
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angels where you see the move for the first time and I was so
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not. And I remember what watching
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that I'm thinking bloody hell, what a what, a good story.
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Yeah, it was a, that was a betrayal of them are for, that
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was actually really. Really quite it was weird.
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So it was scary. This is a brilliant opening.
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Yeah, it almost makes that Tardis look, look good.
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I mean, I do like that time, but I just hate the big deal to you.
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You suddenly got sort of all the lights are snapping on and off.
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So, the angel can move in a succession of quick carts.
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Yeah. Let's it looks very cool and
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they are terrifying. Yeah, I love all these luminous.
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Like I know we had a bit of them in detecting scene, but I love
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these very simple, but a luminous cables because it just
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makes everything look so more alien and otherworldly.
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Now, they're all on the screen together and now, the thing I
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really liked about this story and it's something I would point
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out in Maxine orders, previous Doctor Who, which is D adulty,
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yes, just gets the regular bang on She does.
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This is a whole episode of Jodie, Whittaker panicking.
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I'm reacting to danger, and that's just her best.
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Absolutely, and it's just pure dr.
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Haven and iced it again. I still don't know how people
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could watch this and go. Oh, well, it was a good story
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for her ear because the writing was good and the writing is
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good. Lovely use a split screen as
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well as. Yeah, we're seeing doctor, but I
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just don't know how you can watch it.
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And say that Jodie Whittaker is not the doctor It's just, it's
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just Bonkers to battling. Can still throw throw that Chris
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is about their of, like she's a bad actress or aren't you know,
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I said you before, I think she comes fully formed, but I think
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a third series, she's just farted on all cylinders when you
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get the stuff like even the Daleks.
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Yeah, most of them their best in the third season.
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Not Matt Smith. Yeah, but yeah, it's as well.
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One of the things I loved about you as in this is there's a
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saying right where they're confronted with an Angel.
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Man, she's got tears in her eyes.
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She's so scared. She's crying.
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And I just, I realized one of the things I really didn't
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dislike about Jenna Coleman as Clara is that she was so offhand
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about every danger that they were in.
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Yeah. And when a companion is properly
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scared like that our richest it sells the danger to me.
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Yeah. And like kids watching it or
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sell the danger to them as well. It's suddenly a more relatable
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experience or I love this. She's like, I'm off you deal
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with them. Yeah, she she like she looks so
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great in that setting as well, in that traditional Doctor, Who
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setting because she's she's not wearing the big eccentric outfit
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or anything like that, but there's something about it, that
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makes a stick out. And you could imagine somebody
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in that area, just sort of going.
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What what, what's up with their clothes?
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But what's up with her clothes and particular just makes us
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Seems slightly more alien. I know people don't love her
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costume but I I'm a fan. Oh my gosh, I've just remembered
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now. So that our dear there, who's
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counting the gravestones, that's that scary little kid in it.
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Of course, sorry for anyone who may have seen this already.
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I've just drawn yet miss but it's a great twist at the end.
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I mean I doubt anybody's watching it for the first time
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with your our commentary. How do you like to watch Doctor
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Who for the first time though, with the hamster?
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Comedy. A lot of Niche companies jokes
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that only have been fucking lucky if they did right.
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I think you could be right there you know oh my God Joker.
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So nice. I like the fact he's really got
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some steel as well. So when the angels are attacking
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they're trying to use psychology against him in case he just goes
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out fuck off you ain't breaking me.
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He also could be directly out of a 70s Doctor Who story Mmm, it
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is just cut from that cloth of, you know, good Supporting Cast
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from a tombe, early, Tom Baker, story or late.
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John Pertwee story can I make an, your might think unfair
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comparison to a Steven, Moffat, era screwed, which I think does
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something quite similar to this but nowhere near as effectively.
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What do you think of hide? I like hide a lot.
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I dislike the resolution of hide of the whole love saves the day,
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as usual, when she was doing a lot of the time, but I do like
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it a bulk of this episode. And I bulk of high is yeah,
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features, a male and female guest character.
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Yeah. In a scary house under threat,
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okay? And I think in hide, it is
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Sabotage by the fact that the doctor and Clara Running around
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like a pair of school kits. Yeah, a lot there in the
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Scooby-Doo episode and not taking any of it seriously and
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it just ain't scary. There's no danger in it at all,
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even pop off in the Tardis whole way through whereas this is all
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play for real Jodi plays the whole thing for real.
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And I think the guest characters are as strong in hide, but just
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the tone of it and the suspense of it.
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Yeah, like the execution of the action as well.
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No, I get you. I interpreted get you.
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There's something about hide that I really like, but I also
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the something that doesn't sit quite well with me and, you
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know, I mean, we're not here to talk about hide but no, no.
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I'm just like I'm just like this can you can do this on it car
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work as well. Exactly.
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I would pointer to knock knock as another Doctor Who story
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where they're trying. It's a classic Doctor Who set up
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and conceit s not as scary as it is.
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It just doesn't work because it's not executed in the right
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way. I do think there's some
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atmosphere not more because well but yeah no.
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But these Wings on the now I think that's great and
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terrifying but they do look a bit like a fancy dress costume.
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Massive polystyrene wings. I thought they were CGI and then
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they sort of wobble novel. Yeah, they're actually on there.
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Yeah. Who is this fellow?
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The vicar disease? You know what when he talked
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about earlier is that I don't remember watching him but I
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imagine he's about to get, oh yeah, he's about to get Angels.
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Yeah, that's how you are very tenuous facts.
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You know, that I've learned talking to Toby, hey Doc, you
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know, the fellow who plays the old guy The Miss in this.
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Yeah you know what other always been in.
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There are go on, he played tall Park in Warriors of the deep.
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Of course, and he's good friends with their behavior because well
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because Toby headaches always talking about knowing Tom Park,
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which is just exactly the sort of thing that I'm going to say
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is this to cast members of this. We're in eight years Doctor, Who
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one was in war? Is that a deep one was in the
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Twin dilemma outside. They got quite lucky the second
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time around. I have, I have one friend who's
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been in Doctor Who I speak to regularly and it always it
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always amuses me Spill the Beans.
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This, it's one of Martha Jones between you and me and the
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distance is one of Martha Jones extended family.
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Well, her family so it's not not Leo, is it Reggie Yates?
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Oh, he's the most sexy man in Doctor.
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Who you tell him? That for me please.
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I was 750 for 16. Hey, what else?
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Having a clear out a few years ago?
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I found he narrated one of the, the audio books that they
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released at the time and I sent him a picture of and I've just
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found this and he was like, don't listen to it.
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It's the worst thing I ever did. But why was he relegated off to
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Brian? Was he getting off of work at
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the end of that? Some toast in top of the pops?
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Why did I did wonder if they had big plans for him?
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And he was just too busy. Yeah.
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So but yeah, I occasionally, bring up my loving doctor here
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and tease him about his character disappearing.
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It's a lovely chap. You know, you said about time of
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angels earlier, I I personally think this is the best use of
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the Angel since blink. I mean, blink, I'll ever be
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besties because it was just such an original idea.
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And oh, and like once the idea is there, it's like, you know,
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where do you go for go with us but yeah, I think you're right.
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I really liked on of my angel, so I was very much sold on that
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as a bit of a classic and you know in a production as well.
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It was. Yeah.
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Okay. As big as we've seen at that
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point. Yeah.
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And I just remember thinking, Matt Smith's first season, I
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just think him he is a performer.
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And Matt Smith's first block, which is time of angels and
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tasty. Did I swear know?
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It's weird. Isn't it?
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Like it obviously has other fantastic moments, but he's like
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that last season where he's playing it, as the old man and a
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Young Person's party. I'm just a bit.
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Like I just don't like it, but that first sight I do like it
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when he goes, take it all baby. Look At that exploded Planet.
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I know it looks amazing, doesn't it?
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I'll just keep pointing at the screen and going to look at that
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that but this at this point I've got exploded planet and I've got
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bow and I'm suddenly in my notes about this episode.
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All the sudden I'm like, yes we're back in, we're back in the
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territory that I want to be in and I'm more interested in this
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story. And this is this is like the
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value of odd scenes in Herre the vervoids.
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But some people, I think it's like, okay.
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We've got this great sort of Classic Gothic horror going on
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and every now, and again, we're reminded of the fluxes.
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We've got this guy from The Inbetweeners there yet.
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You know what? He was in a series of big finish
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stories, you know, he did one for Peter Davison ones, Colin
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Baker, 14, Sylvester McCoy, what were they?
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Ah, good grief, our other side, man.
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Was one of them, right? The one where they brought back,
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David Banks as a cyber leader. I think.
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So he was a unit Soldier and he sort of defects, he's A bit of a
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bad guy by the end. Yeah, yeah.
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No. I did listen to those.
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You're right. I just haven't clocked.
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It was him. I thought he was quite sort of
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naturalistic in this. I thought it was for me too.
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I think it's a good performance and I love food.
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Just this little sub story of the passenger being used as
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being sold as this Exodus route. You know, it's, he's piece into
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these planets, you know, where we don't really get a lot of
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context, but it's just like the wider Universe.
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You know, there are things going on out there.
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Yeah. It's so yeah.
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I mean yeah it's just pulls us back to this Universal
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destruction. Yeah.
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Do you remember that bunch in Halloween apocalypse?
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We just saw for two and a half seconds, ran away with their
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great Dome cities beyond all yeah.
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Erasing so-called big finish box set coming up on shore.
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Well, I do think like the main Arc and the individual story
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here. This does jar a little bit.
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It does a little bit. Yeah.
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But I guess it's too. You need, you need people to
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know that they're still very much because especially, is
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that, that last episode I was saying it feels a little bit,
23:33
like the end of something, like it's a little break and that,
23:37
you know, the doctor and vendor have gone, their separate ways.
23:39
So it's just to let you know, there's still a big story here
23:43
and you're not watching the monster-of-the-week version of
23:45
Doctor Who in the way that it normally is.
23:47
You know they're not suddenly on Nikola Tesla's night of Terror
23:51
automobiles. I like I want you know it's all
23:53
right. Are you?
23:55
I called it Nicole and Trevor's night of pleasure, which I
23:57
always thought at least scorpions chased him down the
24:02
street. Yeah, that's all.
24:06
Just going to say. Somebody on Twitter posted a
24:10
cichlid from Night of Terror at the other week and said, mandate
24:13
Gil is the best companion because she tries to stop giant
24:16
scorpion things with bread but she literally stole the show
24:22
Just use what you got to hand? All right, right now, I don't
24:26
have a dildo to protect me but you know, What I do like is that
24:33
this seems like a very linear story.
24:35
This one, we're either very linear story.
24:37
Yeah, it's just everyone being chased around by the angels and
24:41
there's a little bit of time is why - at the end where you've
24:43
got the two time zones. But it feels like it's entirely
24:46
disconnected from the main plot until the end where the word
24:50
division is used. And then you rear but it's all
24:53
time together. Yeah, I do.
24:55
Yeah, I do like the image of the house surrounded by Angels, like
24:59
I think it's that thing of going bigger and better.
25:03
Again, you just need more and more Angels.
25:05
Every time you do them because you are their terrifying and you
25:08
know okay and we see lots of them towards the and I just I
25:13
love our last litter as well-- with a sort of blue Moonlight,
25:15
everything's very Stark But all this stuff then trying to get in
25:20
the door, chasing out the stairs down into the cellar.
25:24
Like this is it sold ha, but it is based on deceit.
25:28
This is Doctor Who. So yeah.
25:29
Me and potatoes. Yeah.
25:31
And you met in a I guess in a series where you don't get that
25:35
which I said for me is perhaps why it doesn't work as well in
25:38
where as well as placed at I guess.
25:42
You know, it's to assure the fans as well but this is still
25:45
good old-fashioned Doctor Who with a linear straightforward
25:48
place. You say that's not a doctor, did
25:50
you see those absurd item she just pulled out.
25:53
Okay. She had a ping pong racket.
25:55
That was about an inch long. Yeah I think your hair looks
26:01
great on this as well. It's a bit longer here.
26:02
Yeah I mean she always looks great, doesn't she?
26:05
She's she's a handsome woman and like we keep saying, she just
26:11
keeps reaction to every script. Yeah, really engaging way.
26:17
Yeah, I think she like I don't think, I don't think she ever
26:21
really gets a bad script for her doctor.
26:23
I know lots of people would disagree, but I just think,
26:26
fundamentally everybody knows how to write for her and I think
26:30
she gets the material. Like I think her part is always
26:34
well, written in her episodes. What happens in the last series
26:38
for her is they sort of trial run and they're now their
26:42
cherry-picking like okay, this is what she does.
26:44
Extremely well, yes a lot of this, you know, there's
26:47
something witty asides, you know, the the quick
26:51
improvisation. I hope she comes back.
26:55
Like she's one of those doctors that I was a little bit sad.
26:59
I mean, I'm always sad when they leave but I was like I want more
27:02
of her and I do think there is a world, Rusty Davis has said, in
27:08
interviews and stuff about before, he took back doctor who
27:11
are sort of going. Now, you would have a series
27:14
running with the 10th doctor and the 11th.
27:15
And it's like, I don't think you'll get that straight away,
27:18
but I do see a world where her and possibly Matt Smith.
27:22
Don't give him up. A four-episode miniseries at
27:24
some point in between Seasons, but you need the time for your
27:28
new doctor to embed themselves. So it wouldn't be.
27:31
I don't think they do it for a couple of years, that's so I
27:34
live in Hope. Firstly, look at the four
27:37
episodes. We've watched so far.
27:39
How do we apocalypse is like, dropping Jodie Whittaker stock.
27:42
So into like a broad Church style season of Storytelling.
27:48
Your sontarans is dropping are into a massive historical
27:52
Hollywood Blockbuster Yeah, the last episode was drop it over
27:56
into what is essentially like a very Mafia e.t. timey-wimey
27:59
insane script. And now we're dropping her into
28:02
a Hinchcliffe horror and she adapts to all of it.
28:04
Yeah she's doing all she could do every type of Doctor Who very
28:08
easily. I'm sorry.
28:10
People come into this podcast, hoping to hear us slack off.
28:13
Jodie Whittaker, we just think she's marvelous.
28:16
I would, I would love to do and I know we've already nominated
28:20
for thousand episodes to do. I'd love to do one with you and
28:25
somebody who does not like the era over a Jody one.
28:28
Well, you know that's got be luke Malloy then don't you?
28:30
Yes, it's actually absolutely should and I know obviously
28:33
we've got an episode coming up with him but I think it would be
28:36
fun for him to come and give us his criticisms of particular
28:40
episode, but it's got to be one that is, you know dude.
28:44
Yeah, exactly. We can, we won't invite everyone
28:47
to the Battle of ram score after.
28:49
I'm not sure I can say too many nice things about that.
28:51
One. I've got positive.
28:53
Sorry about your tongue has some negatives, but that's for
28:56
another day we will avoid Legends and sea Devils as well.
29:01
Yeah. But there's a bit maybe like
29:03
have you done spiteful? I have not done spy a but I
29:07
wonder is that yeah because it was slacking off on earlier on
29:10
Twitter when I put it with my second favorite season opener.
29:13
Well there you go. So maybe we can tempt him in
29:15
with spy 40 and it's all right. You know, I need every regular
29:19
early and they all get great things in this and this is
29:22
actually I think think Dan's opportunity because he's not
29:25
around too long. This is his opportunity to of
29:28
what he would be. Like in a series of sort of
29:31
stand-alone Doctor Who Adventures where you just land
29:34
somewhere you're investigating. Yeah.
29:36
You sort of reacting to the horrors you know and sort of a
29:39
bit slower Pace because a lot of this stuff is very fast.
29:43
Yeah. As we said last time he sees you
29:45
as His companion and what he has is being here is she's using
29:49
modern policing, her skills as a policeman too.
29:53
Or policewoman to solve this mystery because this is a,
29:58
although this obviously alien influence, this is the sort of
30:01
thing she would deal with in her day-to-day job.
30:04
So this is very much comfortable territory to territory for her
30:07
and away are there was a marvelous scene where she says
30:12
about the kid isn't it is, is there anything in particular
30:15
that she likes? And now guy goes, well, what the
30:17
hell difference does that make? Because when we see her, we're
30:20
going to have to talk to her. And to say something she
30:23
Recognize will make her more comfort and his exactly how a
30:25
police person would think. Yeah, there's arts and their
30:29
relationship is great in terms of dining areas and it's that
30:33
moment later where Dan goes to, you know, there's that by the
30:37
Angels or whatever and they go, all how do we get back and it's
30:40
quite heartbreaking in a way and he's just not cut out for that
30:42
life. But like is, he's, you know,
30:44
he's a passenger on this journey, he got caught up in it.
30:47
And the only reason he's really sticking around as because he
30:51
now is because of Diane Gilman. Mouse.
30:54
He's basically is one foot in the door, in a one foot out the
30:58
door, A lot of it is anything wrong with.
31:00
I, you know, I mean, I hope he when he did finally, leave the
31:04
doctor. He got a new house and sorted
31:06
out his financial issues because I hope he's living a lovely
31:08
happy. Life is, nobody goes back.
31:10
And in bigger, Nate's, the house know.
31:14
And I keep hearing that that thing that people keep saying
31:16
about him that he started off, poor and painless and he ended
31:20
up homeless what around I think I think the Mark was talking
31:26
about it on, on the time last the other day I was just like,
31:29
yeah, missing he's run his it's not great when you think of us
31:33
as and today Siamese house. He's there in that sort of get
31:37
together at the end, the power of the doctor looking happy, you
31:40
know. Yeah.
31:41
Oh I love this. This is so Sapphire and steel
31:45
this. Yeah, it's amazing.
31:46
As knowing from the Woodland to open space, there is an old film
31:50
called the called dark city, which Is also similar.
31:54
I can't remember too much about it but it has this image of
31:56
Life, a city and then suddenly on the edge of space tenuous
32:03
reference, but it's made me want to re-watch dark setting, but
32:06
we're not going to do that for the podcast.
32:08
I mean I can so I can absolutely see why.
32:11
None. Chibnall era fans really love
32:14
this. Yeah, g do we think Dan works
32:18
for unit now? Do you think he was recruited by
32:21
Kate Stewart lost suddenly Oops, I want I do realize the danger
32:24
did he? He said, look, Leo I almost
32:27
float off into space off that train, you know, little town
32:31
with with Diane and had a very happy life.
32:34
We never saw him. Do any Plastering?
32:40
Know like, and I think it sort of, in terms of they didn't give
32:43
him black bucket, loads of Personality either.
32:46
The thing was sold on John Bishops, Charisma.
32:48
Fortunately, he had a bucket load of it and so it worked.
32:52
And we Only did it because of covid.
32:54
He started like he had a big tall plant, he was offered, but
32:58
she auditioned was offered it and then couldn't make it work.
33:00
And then when covid happened, all of a sudden he was like,
33:03
okay, I can I can do this now which is again, why he's written
33:07
out early, a of the doctor because he's the world's gone
33:10
back to normal and he's a one of Britain's biggest stand-up
33:13
comedians again. And by all accounts, like he's
33:17
got a small special feature a day in the life of an actor, so
33:22
he takes his camera. Murrah in and films himself
33:26
filming scenes from the vanquishers.
33:29
It's on the flux Blu-ray and he's loving it.
33:33
He's loving being with the actors, you know, and he's
33:35
talking to her because of her. And I was there.
33:38
And then then they walked in swarmin as you and it was no
33:41
longer the actors. He's Amazing Creation.
33:45
He's just amazing. He's loving it.
33:48
He's not one that does conventions or anything like
33:50
that. I've not seen them on any
33:52
comic-con's around here. Man, he's a busy man.
33:54
He doesn't need personally, just need that money and I have, you
33:57
know, I've heard people criticized the character.
33:58
I've not had anybody criticized John Bishop who I think.
34:03
I think he sells the role he does he does.
34:06
And he's but he is the comedy relief.
34:08
And like, you know, it's The pull comparison that people who
34:13
don't like to think about these things and they're like the era.
34:16
Say so well he's just Graham, but he's not, he's so different
34:20
Graham, but a gray of, I think one, I think Bradley Walsh is a
34:23
better actor. Yeah, I would say that.
34:27
Well, I think, I think there's a more likeable character.
34:30
Oh, yeah, he's there is the like those the light relief and
34:34
watched quite an intense plot. I love that.
34:37
I love this. The way that that paper flew off
34:39
the thing and then you get the projection of the angel from the
34:41
drawing such a again another neat concept.
34:44
She scrunches it up. So yeah scrunches up then she
34:47
says it on fire and boom yes such a great visual but it's
34:52
terrifying. I remember that's watching that
34:54
I kind of let back a bit. I was like, yeah, doing
34:56
something really different. Current.
34:58
It's a proper jump-scare moment and if you're a kid, it's like
35:02
what's more. What's more terrifying than a
35:04
weeping? Angel, a weeping angel on fire.
35:07
And, you know, another idea really?
35:09
I thought was brilliant in this is I'm saying it.
35:11
Now when it comes to me because I'll probably forget the time is
35:14
the fact that the angel can materialize just because the
35:17
image is in her head. Yeah I mean it's it makes them
35:22
even more terrifying. It's like how do you possibly
35:27
actually possibly escape and concept in your head is enough
35:30
for these things to transport? Yeah, I mean, again that's a
35:34
whole episode in itself that you can do.
35:36
And yeah, I want, you know, like you we've talked about all these
35:40
sort of fabulous, freaky visuals, you know, their house
35:42
floating in the sky and all of that in black and white the
35:45
weird tone scenes on the beach. Yeah.
35:48
Not enough, Doctor Who is on a beach you know, I love Beach
35:51
Doctor. Who know what I mean?
35:53
Like, mindwarp his Rich uncle. It's early.
35:55
But also it's such a simple thing that they do.
36:00
But so you sell it at this beach, this other worlds,
36:04
whatever the the lighting and the color of grading and stuff.
36:07
Like, that's fantastic. But just that double that split.
36:11
So it's got its got a bit that I'd either side to toys are
36:16
coming towards each other on their.
36:17
Yeah. And it's like You didn't need to
36:20
do that. It would have been creepy enough
36:21
as it is, but it's just a little extra that makes it more
36:25
otherworldly and weird and just again a great Visual and I
36:29
really hope whatever happens over the coming Seasons but
36:34
these fantastic. They just build on these
36:36
fantastic visuals and make it as such.
36:38
It's just I candy all of it in this season and indeed most of
36:42
the Whitaker era and I just want more and more of that that lying
36:46
out there that's where Jericho goes from.
36:49
Being that person who goes, you know, who are you?
36:51
What are you doing in my house, that character.
36:53
And then it was not our fault in the first world war.
36:57
If you think a bunch of stone statues are going to break my
37:00
resolve, you've got another thing coming, that's when he
37:02
becomes like okay your companion material now.
37:05
Yeah. And yeah, look at the way he
37:09
puts the things on their raids, it just jams.
37:11
One on Claire's are one on the doctors comedy here, as well.
37:15
I remember fans complaining about Jericho sticking around
37:18
because there are another character like there aren't
37:21
other shows that don't have ten main characters.
37:25
Yeah, I mean, how many - how many the main characters here?
37:29
So we've got the dr. Danielle, as Jericho Del Fin de
37:35
and then the to ravages And they're all very distinct.
37:39
They're all very distinct. All very different and all get
37:42
enough time in the episodes. This this is look at that that
37:46
look and the way, the two Seas cross over each other as well.
37:50
It's so good. And I also love the fact that
37:54
this is this idea of this Angel hidden within her who's actually
37:58
a rogue Angel. So it's so, but used to be a
38:02
member of the division, right? The other angels are the
38:04
division members that are going after the Rogue.
38:07
Yeah. I think so.
38:09
Yeah and then what happens is the Angel inside Claire.
38:12
Then does a deal and says well I got one better for you.
38:15
I've got the doctor here was the member of The Division.
38:20
I also think it makes the division more interesting.
38:24
The idea that they do work in the division isn't strictly
38:27
Gallifreyan. Yeah, it's you know, it do do
38:30
those other races involved and it just makes it more mysterious
38:34
because we never get that full explanation of.
38:37
Again, I do. I want the full explanation.
38:40
I want, I want the doctors pass to remain a mystery, but I like
38:43
learning more about it in little chunks.
38:47
It's Timeless doing dodgy deals with the Weeping Angels.
38:50
Yeah it's the most fucking interesting thing about people
38:53
have done with the time Lords that like I understand like the
38:58
time Lords are as a concept of great but they have the tendency
39:01
to be very dull if overused like in the 70s and 80s have seen the
39:06
first 15 minutes of hell, bent, right?
39:09
I've some of the best time building you'll ever, see, well,
39:14
we'll get there or such a wonderful episode.
39:17
Where was his files from the sea Devils as Rassilon?
39:20
Yeah. Because Timothy Dalton wasn't
39:22
available. Oh is that why was I not asked
39:25
him if you don't want to come back when we come to it.
39:28
So they got someone cheaper. I can't wait to watch that.
39:31
We that here we are in traditional Quarry because you
39:36
got to throw one in any way. We like that, they have to
39:39
appear And yeah she's great isn't she as as year as you
39:47
shall solve pairing Menace? As I'm sure everybody just stood
39:54
on that Big Rock. You're trying to save people
39:57
attending the Saudis mr. Marvel I was crazy Colts.
40:00
You know where someone stands up in front of them and says right
40:03
you're going to murder yourselves and go to a better
40:05
place. I thought when I first watched
40:09
it and that was her head being projected into the sky.
40:12
Bye, but it's not. She's just up on the thing.
40:13
It really reminded me of the opening of the Masters of the
40:17
Universe live action film. So I used to love as a kid and
40:21
there's an obscure reference that's why you're here.
40:23
Okay. One of my favorite films as a
40:26
kid and there's this moment where skeletor's giant head is
40:30
broadcast across the planet to everybody.
40:33
But I mean, look at the scale of this as well.
40:36
There's it feels like there's about 200 extras there.
40:40
Yeah. And it doesn't feel like three
40:41
people. I've been matted 100 then about
40:44
you've got all sort of burning buildings and things like this.
40:47
Yeah, and it again, it's what people talk about being impacted
40:51
covid on Doctor. Who you kind of go.
40:53
Well, look at this scene, there's loads of people with
40:55
Missy. Yeah.
40:58
Yeah. I uh, I don't think your friend
41:00
was right. Yeah.
41:02
Well, I think we're going to discuss it on the strangers in
41:05
space at some point. Just sending my way.
41:08
All right. I will, I will have that here.
41:11
What's his name again? Jr.
41:13
Sorrowful have it for you. All right?
41:16
Not you for you. Unless he loves us.
41:21
All fate. I can't comment on what Jo Jr.
41:30
Cell phone puts out an injunction against me.
41:37
She just saved his life now. Belch she does she does and you
41:41
know we get that pay off later. Don't worry of where he goes.
41:44
I think she saved my life because he's just but it's that
41:49
desperation everybody. So desperate that when somebody
41:51
comes along cause we're here to save you, of course they go.
41:54
It's all a bit Utopia in a way, but everybody's like, okay,
41:59
we're going to get saved, and they want to believe they're
42:00
going to get saved. But, you know, there's slow
42:03
realization that he has that actually.
42:06
No bones, get inside a little supposed a technically there.
42:09
They'll get loud passenger at the end, right?
42:12
Why don't you uh, why are they doing it again?
42:15
Is it that I think they're creating a No-No there.
42:18
I think they're turned into sort of energy.
42:21
I want my. And then ultimately, they're
42:24
planning on destroying the universe.
42:26
Resetting it and playing it out over and over and over again.
42:30
Yes. Right.
42:30
Okay. Remember now, but passenger
42:32
needs a lot of fuel for that, right?
42:34
Okay. So yeah.
42:35
Passenger it didn't, it is use them as fuel.
42:37
Not has will be, will be back with the explanations next time,
42:41
baby, what was the last two, but we forgotten right now but if
42:48
it's just a little moment of desperation and the collapsing
42:51
universe and I love this idea that the Universe was completely
42:57
screwed. It's just played out on such a
42:58
big scale here in a way that something like that.
43:01
Love ramen score, I've cut off. There's supposed to be this huge
43:04
threat to Earth and what UNH, it's just not there.
43:07
Then they're doing the para Planet thing of saying, right?
43:09
You see those four Globes over there, that's a couple of
43:11
Worlds, okay? But because you're not seeing it
43:14
and there's not other characters, like the Wi-Fi
43:17
family or somebody like that invested in it, like all you
43:21
don't cut that to you as its family or something then it just
43:23
it becomes a bit too basic starter at the Next Generation.
43:29
Wait I'm getting upset wash them dreary episodes of that like
43:33
yeah. This creepy kid from there must
43:36
be a book, you know, of like really creepy kids.
43:40
I mean, it's can be quite creepy.
43:42
I mean, they're absolutely bloody mental.
43:44
And I think that if you deconstruct the behavior of
43:47
kids, they are weird. Like, we went over to one of
43:50
Daisy's friends and her kid had this dull that she'd like guy
43:55
Garrett's the eyes out of and colored in the face and things
43:58
like that. It's like, you are absolutely
44:00
text sweetest little girl, you are absolutely terrifying.
44:03
I am I once worked in a charity shop, you know, and someone
44:06
donated a load of kids toys. And in there, I was this frog,
44:09
okay, where's the same? They gouge the eyes out and then
44:13
they'd put red ink all over the hands like it.
44:17
I'll keep in doing like a weeping angel.
44:21
She says it she goes. It's just been killed or sent
44:25
back in time and she goes well, it was never nice to me.
44:27
No, no emotional reaction whatsoever.
44:31
He's going to be a serial killer.
44:32
I swear. Angela.
44:35
That was a one bit as well. I was like, this is so like
44:37
Classico where they're going, no, don't go in front of the
44:40
statue and the fellow goes oh, don't be so silly.
44:43
It's just a statue and then, you know, you get grabbed straight
44:45
away. Yeah, you need what you need,
44:47
people like that in Doctor Who every now and then, and it is, I
44:50
call them to get backs of Doctor Who you do X or the man from the
44:54
ministry. That's right.
44:55
There was little, yeah, in the way.
44:56
Yeah, they're there. Just to be sort of cannon.
45:00
Fodder. Essentially the prove how
45:03
Dangerous. The threat is because they just
45:05
don't believe it. I'm on Jericho.
45:07
Don't look at it. Like every McNally.
45:11
I've had a really good career. Hasn't a old looking at his
45:14
credits. I'm like there it is not a show.
45:15
He hasn't touched. He's just he's, you know, worked
45:20
consistently without ever being like a star or anything like
45:23
that, but he's just in the comments that is the best kind
45:26
of career to have an acting, you know, absolutely is that the
45:30
secondary characters. But then you can just dip into
45:32
anything. It's a hard life, an actor's
45:35
life, though. It's like unless you are super
45:38
successful or and I mean Successful in the way that he
45:41
would always classy. A super successful is long
45:45
periods of not lying are so many actors who have part-time jobs
45:48
and you know just knowing work regularly and it's a really
45:52
tough life. I was listening to an interview
45:54
with Jeffrey beavers the other day and he was saying we were
45:56
fortunate. We were both actors and very
45:59
often. Only one of us will be working
46:01
but one of us will be working, you know.
46:05
It's not like, now he's just glorious.
46:07
I, he's on the twin deliver commentary and he waits a whole
46:11
episode and he's Charming as hell.
46:13
When Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant talking about, you know,
46:15
his ridiculous costume with his stupid Space Gun and all of us.
46:18
And in the beginning of episode two Egos and I Colin I don't
46:22
think Doctor Who fans are to coined about this story.
46:27
They call him strata conference is a great bit of drama is what
46:31
is wonderful. Colin will always see the best
46:35
in his stories in a way that, you know, when you listen to
46:37
Peter Davison, he's just completely dumb as dismissive of
46:40
everything. I see someone trying to get the
46:42
best though because sometimes I can be a bit weary shit.
46:46
Why the angel just came out of the TV?
46:50
Yeah, it's great. Again, just another exciting
46:53
thing to do with the angel, I know we get a bit of that in the
46:57
time of angels, but it's still, it's not a crib from The Ring,
47:00
isn't it? Well, yeah.
47:01
Scary a scale with a Black hair comes crawling out the Telly.
47:05
Exactly, you know, they are coming down the stairs and I, I
47:08
love this. This bit feels like a callback
47:11
to Blink a bit more than this. Yeah, but even now if you watch
47:14
but I'm not going to slack off drink or anything like that.
47:17
But just in terms of the style of direct the direction, it's
47:19
very early 2000's and you know imagine if that was made mad
47:24
which is something that always say about Doctor Who but this is
47:27
a better production, whole fish has better production values
47:30
than blink but I would hope 15 years.
47:32
Jean you were doing Productions. I was kind of doing something
47:36
wrong and we'll be saying that about this in 15 years, time as
47:39
well. When it's also been reappraised
47:41
as an absolute classic. But no matter how scary this is,
47:44
Blink has the one serious jump scared I've ever had in a Doctor
47:49
Who and that is, you're not looking at the angel Neri you,
47:52
right. Stop it.
47:54
When I was first on, I left off my sofa.
47:58
I'll have him, I've reacted to a doctor who moment like that ever
48:01
again, also just nobody knew what blind was going to be
48:03
about. You know, it was especially
48:06
because people weren't a huge fan of the budget saving
48:10
episodes of the previous season, that I think everybody was just
48:14
a bit Mars, not going to be very good, and then they go.
48:16
Oh, but it's Steven Moffat who, you know, wrote, wrote the good
48:19
bit of the best story of the first season, or whatever.
48:24
Claire because I think that's such a solid performance.
48:28
Yeah. She's a carrot.
48:29
Saunders, not distinctive really apart from the fact that she's a
48:32
woman at a time and she's going up against characters like
48:35
swarming as your and Jericho that all had massive hooks.
48:38
You think she looks a bit like, Clara a little bit about her
48:43
eyes. I think that they can look like
48:46
para but yes, she is great. If anything, she's the one
48:51
that's slightly under served by This script, you know, she's
48:54
very much a siphon for the plot, a lot of it but she she's great
48:58
and she's present and I love a little Cameo and the first
49:01
episode of the new just like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:04
Again you go like I'll whisper being set up for something
49:07
really big here and excited but yeah she's great especially when
49:12
she's channeling the angel and we in a point now where you're
49:16
just not going to have a Duff performance index.
49:19
Oh no. I think that I think they're all
49:23
busy. The art one slips through the
49:24
net, right? I hope so.
49:28
I mean even I mean we talk about been a that that that that old
49:33
woman in often 55, Bill Maher. Yeah, people aren't people on a
49:38
huge fan of her performance either.
49:40
But I just think, you know, I've seen how she is great.
49:45
I can't lose tomorrow when you bring her up.
49:50
I think they will always be. I think the standard of bad
49:53
acting gets better over the years, but I think there will
49:56
always be the optical elements. There's a bit and that I think
49:59
they do show up in all areas of Doctor.
50:02
Who I think the the worst crime is when you've got a really good
50:06
actor who's given sort of boring material, I'm talking of Mark
50:10
a.d. in run-scorer of colos. Yeah, I mean there's so many.
50:16
Doctor Who has a long history of potentially wasting guest cast,
50:20
but it's also about who's available for this 14 days or
50:25
whatever is 18 days that they're shooting an episode.
50:28
He was available at this time and they go, you go.
50:31
Oh, we can get Ian McKellen to do the voices of the, in the
50:36
Snowman. And, you know, we can get
50:38
Michael Sheen to do the voice-over of house or something
50:41
like that. And it's like, well, they were
50:43
the people available at this time to do that, and yes, we
50:46
Y'all want to see in McKellen way the War Doctor or something
50:51
like that, but he wasn't available.
50:53
So that that's just when you get in the van and they were in the
50:55
show. I've also got no problem with
50:57
the show reuse and guest characters, I think like give
51:01
him a different role years later if they're available, I'll for
51:03
sure. I mean, look at Jack in heels.
51:06
Fantastic Turner's. Lexa and megaliths well,
51:08
exactly. The one of the most iconic just
51:11
descended from the heavens. I was watching.
51:15
I was listening to To watch you the other day when they did make
51:18
loss a few weeks back and I love have no clue.
51:22
You just yeah, she's like that's Barbara sometimes I think she's
51:28
looking at her phone more than she is the TV.
51:33
Oh all this stuff is gold. I love with it.
51:36
Them, these fucking scary ass hands.
51:38
Coming out of the walls might such a simple concept but just
51:43
the stone that for stone everywhere.
51:45
So of course, they can be a Angels everywhere.
51:47
I wouldn't want to go down that tunnel anyway.
51:49
No. And that's sort of like you
51:52
asked leaning into the ultimate foe a bit, isn't it?
51:54
Was hands coming out the sand? Yeah, it's people complained
51:58
that the Angels didn't look quite the same in this as well.
52:02
That was another complaint to that's like, well, that's
52:04
because this different actresses, playing the Angels
52:08
playing a lot to learn you know, people stop complaining and
52:12
start enjoying it, right? Yeah.
52:15
It's but they're just such a Brilliant Invention and I think
52:20
they are in the just the pantheon of great Doctor Who
52:23
monsters. I've just remembered they are in
52:25
19. I won, are they?
52:26
And this is where they stay, it doesn't reset.
52:28
The end of the year, this is why we spend a lot of time with
52:31
them. Back in the past, in the next
52:33
episodes up earlier. We have to live out through time
52:36
through a linear fashion for a bit and there and that's that's
52:39
where sort of Yaz and Dan have all their time together.
52:42
So in terms of like a run of companions together, Might have
52:45
had the longest run. Yeah, what, I mean?
52:49
Yeah, that's this. Many years off screen, doesn't
52:51
matter. Mmm, which is why I think people
52:54
are a bit confused about their mutant reaction to Jericho
52:57
Steph, they've spent five years with, you know, I think that's
53:01
an oversight, but I'm looking forward to seeing that last
53:04
episode again, because I just can't remember.
53:07
I remember what I said at the time, which was I really enjoyed
53:10
flux and I'm enjoyed the last episode, but I don't think it
53:13
quite stuck, The Landing. Let's I will be Interested to
53:16
see how I feel about is my favorite lesbian moment in all
53:20
of Doctor Who which is starts flirting with herself, she's
53:26
desperate to get away with herself.
53:30
I was going to ask you a question about that, that same,
53:32
but I'm going to save it for the episode.
53:34
I have a, I have a couple of thoughts and questions on, how
53:39
how that, those double doctors were best used to.
53:41
But okay, another time when times are give a Jodie,
53:45
Whittaker things to do. That is the ultimate.
53:50
Is there a spaceship? Is that a big Stone spaceship
53:54
because if she says, that's how the angel is, where the Angels
53:56
Came From? Oh wow.
53:58
Why'd, you know, I hadn't caught that but it doesn't back and
54:01
it's like a massive Stone ship. Well, I mean we could have we
54:05
could have seen that. How do we got the second series
54:07
of class? Couldn't we, we could have seen
54:09
exactly what the Angels, get up to on their home planet.
54:12
I'll wait and watch the class pilot the other day.
54:14
I wish I hadn't sat Michael, he was doing him reviews of himself
54:18
or I'll give it a go. I only watched the first two
54:21
episodes, I'm going to do the first episode on to hop TV next
54:25
season, but I can't remember a thing about it.
54:30
Apart from political activity, shows up is, when you slack
54:33
something off is even better. When you are really positive
54:36
about our probe when to die classic, there was something
54:43
there that older Peggy said, they like to keep a couple of
54:46
people alive to scare people. All right.
54:50
Now that ain't that element of the Angels.
54:52
That's what Moffat brought to time of angels.
54:54
Wasn't it? That they like sort of winding
54:58
people up and yeah, you're frightening them.
55:00
They don't just want to pop you back to the past.
55:02
They want to scare the life out of you first.
55:05
No. Yeah they're a real mysterious
55:07
evil bunch. I would add is that do we want
55:11
to know more about the Angels? It'll be just like them as a
55:14
mystery. I think it's a bit like the Roof
55:18
Doctor. Han also is nice, but do you
55:23
really want to get rid of all that mystery?
55:25
No. Because if you think about it
55:26
too much, like, for instance, like, what is their own Planet
55:31
by it go? How does a race like that
55:33
involved? Yeah, you probably don't want
55:36
that. So what it's like, it's like, oh
55:38
yeah, we are just mentioned, make loss, you know, how does
55:42
the sentient Cactus come to be one?
55:46
Cactus and a lover Cactus get together at?
55:48
I mean, like you just don't want to think about It.
55:50
Yeah no. It's like a lot of Doctor Who if
55:53
you think about it too much, it doesn't always stand up under
55:56
the most intense scrutiny. Which is fortunately why we've
56:00
both managed to get so many episodes of our podcasts.
56:04
You can pull it apart and you can praise it as much as you
56:07
want and criticize it too. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
56:12
Oh, fuck it out those angels in that Corridor.
56:15
Yeah, right in Jodie's, scary, bunch.
56:20
I, I think we've got the kind of use of the Angels, they're not
56:26
something I want to see back all the time.
56:27
Like, I want them to show up every three or four or five
56:30
years, like, it was enough of a gap.
56:32
I think here wasn't there. Yeah, it's quite fresh again.
56:35
Yeah. And when they're like, oh we're
56:37
bringing them back. Everybody was very excited
56:40
because they haven't been used and you wanted you want to see
56:43
what somebody else can do with them and they're not doing too
56:45
much new stuff, but it's enough to make to Warrant them being
56:48
there and they just a bloody Scare their a great monster.
56:52
Just the editing here is just how good do you think they work
56:56
on audio if you listen to any of the Weeping Angels Store easily
56:59
what, you know, the best angel story that I have experienced as
57:03
a story using Angels is Touched by an angels by Jonathan Morris
57:07
which is one of the BBC books I really and it tells a love story
57:11
over about 30 years and it's very Moffat.
57:14
See where the angel send someone back in time meet somebody, it's
57:19
really really clear. But it's such a clever use of.
57:22
Yeah, that's one to cover them to Harbour TV was just thinking
57:25
about that, that sounds exactly my sort of thing scale that you
57:29
got at least a hundred Angels there.
57:31
I know it's Britain again, you've never seen them en masse
57:34
like this and it just adds in what one can do, it's like with
57:38
the Daleks in it, you know, one's scary. 100 is your you
57:42
did. And what occurs in time of the
57:44
Angels, what is there about 10 or something like that?
57:46
I think you see, although that wouldn't most statue star.
57:50
It's a life at the end of the episode.
57:52
Oh, it's so scary. Yeah, what sort of half-melted
57:54
faces and things? It's such a, I mean, I'm not the
57:59
first person to say it, but that analogy of the first one being
58:03
like alien, and the second one being like alien.
58:05
Well, this is the alien franchise when a bit West after
58:10
the most films, but this is still, like firing on all
58:12
cylinders and going. We still got interesting stories
58:15
to tell with these these creatures like effectively this
58:19
is A bit like tooth and Claw. It's a big long Chase with the
58:25
monster chasing the heroes. But it's just done so well,
58:31
yeah, I can't like on those terms.
58:33
I can't really object to it. Yeah.
58:36
As I said my my objection is more about it being where it is
58:39
in this season and oh, it did. I've said a lot of positive
58:43
things about it but I wasn't lifting bit bored by it on this.
58:46
This this re-watch and I can understand because the previous
58:49
one Once Upon Time was so substantial with information and
58:53
plots and you know whereas this is extremely linear.
58:58
I think maybe it's just I really like the pace of the other
59:02
episodes and this is a change of pace and it works but uh perhaps
59:05
I'm just like no but I want Doctor Who flocks.
59:09
I've got used to over the last three episodes, a certain style
59:12
of Storytelling. Every slowed it all down.
59:15
I'd probably say this is if you're just going to watch and a
59:18
single episode of this season, this is probably the best one to
59:20
watch in isolation. Yeah.
59:23
And the Halloween apocalypse as well often.
59:25
I really works or sister. I know it's got a lot going on,
59:27
but it just starts to set up so well.
59:29
Yeah. But the Halloween apocalypse,
59:32
just it does the set up so well that you can't help.
59:35
But go I need to watch the rest of the magical and submit next.
59:37
Once more of the sontarans are in, come out, what a belter.
59:42
I looked this is such a great twist.
59:45
Yeah. Just that.
59:45
The Rogue Angels made another made their own, their own
59:49
bargain. And she's selling at the doctor.
59:53
I like I said, I loved all the Cliffhangers.
59:55
But this this is like the one everyone remembers, isn't it?
59:58
The doctor becoming the angel? It will be in that, you know,
1:00:03
the pantheon of great Cliffhangers.
1:00:06
It's in that top 10, isn't it? Forget about the resolution
1:00:10
because it was always going to get this again.
1:00:12
It was always going to get resolved and in an
1:00:14
unsatisfactory way I guess you would say.
1:00:17
She's say yes, his reaction there.
1:00:19
Yeah. That's where she fancies though.
1:00:20
You know? Well, no, no, I couldn't because
1:00:23
it's more on that next time. It's so cool.
1:00:32
I said it's really my face. And yeah.
1:00:36
And then sort of the pullback or all the Angels around her.
1:00:39
Yeah, it's amazing. What a cliffhanger thing.
1:00:44
I have this spoilt. For me, I think it was leaked
1:00:47
and somebody said, in the doctor turns into a weeping angel at
1:00:49
the end, which I'm really again, I read it on Twitter.
1:00:52
I didn't go seeking a spoiler. I was a little, I think I was a
1:00:55
little bit annoyed about us. Oh, yeah, we go.
1:00:58
We've got this post-credits sequence bit credit sequence
1:01:02
these creditors yet. Sorry, Actually I can see why
1:01:11
this wasn't in the episode because it's such so furiously
1:01:14
Pace that last 10 minutes. Yeah, you can't slow it down at
1:01:17
that point like the Bell stuff earlier in the episode works
1:01:21
fine but yeah you can't really go.
1:01:25
Sorry, this is quieter moments, in, at that point, it will be
1:01:29
like the last 10 minutes of Utopia.
1:01:31
Remember that? It's an absolute Pace as basic
1:01:34
as hell and just thrown in a character say, now, if way
1:01:36
through it, you know, yeah. But I like that, I like it.
1:01:41
But Doctor Who does the these little holder moments.
1:01:45
A little just to, you know, like when was the first time we got a
1:01:49
mid credit sequence. It was Santa, wasn't it Knocking
1:01:51
on? Oh, I love them.
1:01:53
Yeah, it's so cheeky. Yeah, especially after such a
1:01:58
dark but not only to suddenly be like here, Santa Claus but also
1:02:02
it's like it wouldn't have worked tagged on the end of the
1:02:05
episode. So get interrupt the titles for
1:02:08
us. I think I'm magic.
1:02:10
Her last Christmas is my favorite Christmas.
1:02:11
Special is brilliant on that story.
1:02:14
It's not fantastic, Christmas special that.
1:02:16
And what was the first, Matt Smith one Christmas Carol.
1:02:22
That's my least favorite, but I really got that.
1:02:25
I think that's beautiful. I got a big reason though, but
1:02:28
I'll tell you off. My people are booked sick of me.
1:02:30
Going on about it now. And it's not that, you know, one
1:02:35
of my exes was involved with the production or anything like
1:02:37
that. But you got, there were flying
1:02:40
sharks. Oh yeah obviously didn't want to
1:02:43
see about betting Last Christmas.
1:02:47
I were, you got that really scary horror second and then all
1:02:50
of a sudden those toys start coming in the room.
1:02:52
Yeah, laughing my head off. It's a fantastic Christmas
1:02:57
special. Oh no silly.
1:02:59
Defeat the monsters with farmed. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of
1:03:05
Christmas specials in general, but last Christmas is one of my
1:03:09
favorites. Matron the companion that never
1:03:12
was as well. I'll race ya, a little dance.
1:03:16
Yeah, it's a shame. I wonder if she knew as an
1:03:19
actress but whether she was being potentially set up to take
1:03:23
over or not but she say I will scratch you Santa oh yeah, she's
1:03:31
a bit cycle so you can shake and then nerve you know of having
1:03:34
her wake up at the end, she's got a list of Christmas films
1:03:38
and is exactly the films that he's ripped off during this
1:03:40
episode. And more Legend fucking cheek.
1:03:44
I'll tell you, he's a cheeky gift.
1:03:47
And there we go. Our mid seek with that mid
1:03:49
sequence. He's seen went on a lot longer
1:03:51
than I remember a tad bit odd. Actually.
1:03:54
I'm not sure. I'm not sure it even.
1:03:56
Serve the plot purpose. Yeah, it's an interesting one.
1:04:01
Looks like there's a lot of caring here in survivors of the
1:04:03
flocks. Yeah.
1:04:05
With unit and dude. Indiana Jones.
1:04:10
I mean, if you prefer the Furious pace of Once Upon Time,
1:04:14
you're not going to be disappointed in this.
1:04:15
We skip forward in time a lot, I love a furious Pace lesson about
1:04:21
case to in the better, but you know, yeah what she gets one of
1:04:25
our better scenes in that one. You know.
1:04:28
We'll talk about that next time I play better.
1:04:30
I prefer the Beverly Crest conversion from Dan time of day.
1:04:42
We still haven't figured out what's going on with that fellow
1:04:44
down in those tunnels every way. No berries.
1:04:47
Just digging tunnels and a just remained unresolved.
1:04:55
He's just ranting madman. That's what I did.
1:05:03
Enjoy re-watching that with you but again, I It's my so far.
1:05:08
It's my least favorite episode of this wrong but I'm aware.
1:05:13
I'm in a minority there. I think I'm with you, actually.
1:05:18
It's probably my least favorite so far but marginally.
1:05:22
Yeah, and I'll just will reiterate it's doing what it
1:05:25
does exceptionally. Well absolutely it's a great
1:05:29
Doctor Who by numbers Classic Doctor, Who story that you know
1:05:34
fans love versus. I'm in it for the flocks.
1:05:38
I'm not in it for the the Standalone Angels episode You're
1:05:43
in it for the flag. Well let's just say that if
1:05:49
that's the weakest. Yeah.
1:05:51
And the bar is pretty high and now the next episode I remember
1:05:55
people really loading as well. So it will be quite interesting
1:05:58
to see what our reactions is to that.
1:06:01
So I'm not an exam. So it's got the, the fellow in
1:06:04
it who goes arm and he's in you. Yeah, what a guy now.
1:06:09
I really really enjoyed survive for the flux when it went out.
1:06:12
Out. Why don't we go online and see
1:06:15
how people's opinions? I just know.
1:06:16
There's going to be at least 80% of people saying his ship.
1:06:20
Yeah. Well, I remember it being very
1:06:22
negative and again mean I remember enjoying it, but saying
1:06:27
my little sort of message group two mates going that was my
1:06:31
least favorite of the series but let's see what, let's see, what
1:06:34
happens. Hmm, we've already got that
1:06:36
booked in. Would you do to catch up with
1:06:38
the saliva that the flux very soon?
1:06:41
Exciting stuff.