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Love and Rockets Book Club #75 - V2 #5 · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Good morning, everybody! Afternoon in Malta, where… where Maria has returned after her… her… her Central American, globetropping.
• 0:13
  Maria Pena: So you're…
• 0:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, Mexico and El Salvador? So, I mean, we should ask on air, how was your trip? Like, I just realized off-air that it was the first time that you were back to El Salvador, so, like.
• 0:27
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 0:28
  Maria Pena: Well, it's been 40 years, it was unrecognizable, a lot of it, but
• 0:34
  Maria Pena: I guess, I won't, you know, sing the praises of the current president, because he's a dictator, he's planning to stay in power for a long time, but he's done one good thing, and that is that the security of the place is incredible, like, it's so safe now, and the people are more relaxed.
• 0:54
  Maria Pena: they're more relaxed, they're so friend… they're so friendly, and I mean, it was… it was really nice to go back, I gotta say, you know, and…
• 1:04
  Maria Pena: And see how… how much nicer it is in many ways. It's also very, very overpopulated, and a lot of… the traffic is crazy. But, no, it was… it was great. And I got to go to Mexico, which is one of my favorite places in the world.
• 1:20
  Maria Pena: And spent time there, and I… yeah, so it's great. I sold a painting to a friend of mine from El Salvador, who…
• 1:29
  Maria Pena: who saw my painting online, and she said, I want that painting, and I said, oh, it's in Malta. And she said, but it reminds me of my husband. And I said, okay, oh, I went in Mexico, and I went to the art shop, and I bought some supplies, and…
• 1:43
  Maria Pena: And I actually painted her a version of it that looked a little bit more like her husband. It was from the back, so it just needs to give him dark, dark hair.
• 1:52
  Maria Pena: And she bought it off me, and I was,
• 1:55
  Maria Pena: And then she sent me a picture of it framed on her wall, and that was very satisfying. It was nice to see my old… as an old school friend of mine, so… Right. It was really nice.
• 2:07
  Maria Pena: I really enjoyed it. In fact, I was a bit sad when I left, you know, again. I was like, oh, I feel like, you know, being ripped away again, but but yeah, there's a lot of really good art, and…
• 2:18
  Maria Pena: And just a lot of good cultural stuff happening. So, yeah, it's hopeful. I don't know how long this is gonna last, so, you know, I'm not holding my breath. And the guy is…
• 2:31
  Maria Pena: is, you know, a Trump, kind of… you know, he's, he's… I guess he's getting money from Trump to send…
• 2:39
  Tad Eggleston: Garcia's.
• 2:40
  Maria Pena: Of course he is. To send deportees to that prison that he's called.
• 2:45
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 2:45
  Maria Pena: So, you know, he's not a good guy, you know, he's… he's an.
• 2:49
  Tad Eggleston: I remember him from the water.
• 2:50
  Maria Pena: Oh, gosh.
• 2:51
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, so, but, yeah, so anyway…
• 2:56
  Maria Pena: you know, whatever. But I do have to say…
• 3:01
  Tad Eggleston: Marisol, I was doing my math there, and I don't believe it, because she says she left El Salvador in her 20, and she says she hasn't been back in 40 years, and that doesn't seem like the math adds up.
• 3:13
  Maria Pena: But it does.
• 3:15
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think it adds up. I think…
• 3:18
  Marisol: Is that a Venomat?
• 3:19
  Tad Eggleston: The fountain. I think we just discovered that the Fountain of Youth is in Australia.
• 3:26
  Maria Pena: Maybe in El Salvador.
• 3:27
  Tad Eggleston: Anyway…
• 3:31
  Maria Pena: kicked in a cauldron just before I left.
• 3:34
  Maria Pena: Like asterix.
• 3:37
  Tad Eggleston: Lovin' Rockets, Volume 2, Number 5. I love this cover.
• 3:43
  Maria Pena: Gorgeous. So that's, what's her name?
• 3:49
  Tad Eggleston: God. Sorry, guys. Isn't it, oh, God, it's…
• 3:54
  Maria Pena: It's Isabelle, it's Ibatry, it's.
• 3:57
  Tad Eggleston: Beatrice, right.
• 4:00
  Maria Pena: Oh, God.
• 4:01
  Tad Eggleston: Penny century.
• 4:03
  Maria Pena: 30th century, 30th century.
• 4:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 4:07
  Maria Pena: Good lord. Sorry, sorry, Hyman.
• 4:11
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I had… I was sitting looking at it and going, is that… and… and, of course…
• 4:16
  Maria Pena: Is that menu?
• 4:17
  Tad Eggleston: It actually has… it actually says Beatrice on her… her…
• 4:22
  Maria Pena: Yeah, la Beatri.
• 4:23
  Tad Eggleston: So that's the answer, but at first, I was… I was going, is that… is that Maggie's little sister, or is that a young penny-century? And it's a young.
• 4:33
  Marisol: Yeah, I think he's gone, too.
• 4:35
  Maria Pena: I feel like some of these pictures we don't see too much, that we kind of, like.
• 4:39
  Marisol: Yeah, we don't… we don't see…
• 4:42
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 4:43
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 4:46
  Tad Eggleston: Beatrice, rather than his penny.
• 4:49
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 4:50
  Tad Eggleston: and then we start with the Bay of Threes.
• 4:55
  Tad Eggleston: Which, which is… Is this an old one?
• 4:57
  Maria Pena: So this is a young, young penny, young penny sent you.
• 5:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Young Penny.
• 5:03
  Maria Pena: And, yeah, she's obviously from a poor family.
• 5:09
  Maria Pena: And then… and then that's when she meets, Kostigan.
• 5:14
  Tad Eggleston: post again.
• 5:15
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so she's, he meets him, and nobody believes that he's got horns.
• 5:24
  Maria Pena: And he's like the devil, and I was like, don't stop lying!
• 5:28
  Maria Pena: But he does have horns, usually they're…
• 5:30
  Marisol: Yep.
• 5:31
  Marisol: They're reeled.
• 5:34
  Maria Pena: And,
• 5:35
  Maria Pena: So, yeah, it's, it's a bit weird, because he met her when she was a little child.
• 5:44
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 5:47
  Maria Pena: And then she's in high school.
• 5:52
  Tad Eggleston: When he meets her again.
• 5:54
  Maria Pena: He meets her again, gives a… she's a bit… she's… she's… she's definitely a very spirited girl, and she doesn't… she doesn't give a shit, I think that's the thing with her.
• 6:04
  Marisol: Jesus.
• 6:04
  Maria Pena: Right. It's your attitude.
• 6:07
  Tad Eggleston: I do love this scene here, where he's saying, shouldn't you be in school? Who are you, my mom? If I were your mom, I'd make Dared certain you were back in class.
• 6:16
  Tad Eggleston: If you were my mom, you wouldn't let me talk to strangers.
• 6:20
  Maria Pena: great kid.
• 6:25
  Maria Pena: And then she gives him back.
• 6:26
  Marisol: I've always been sassy.
• 6:29
  Maria Pena: He's very sassy, so sassy.
• 6:31
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 6:34
  Tad Eggleston: I love that she bounces the coin off of his head.
• 6:37
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 6:38
  Marisol: Yep.
• 6:39
  Tad Eggleston: And I love that Jaime makes certain that you can see that it bounced off of his head into his waiting hands, you know?
• 6:46
  Maria Pena: Yay.
• 6:47
  Tad Eggleston: She's got… she's got skills here.
• 6:50
  Maria Pena: Yeah. And she's always been wanting to fly like a superhero, like, she's flying on the… I mean, a cheesecake when she's flying on the, you know, sitting on the… on the tree, but…
• 7:05
  Maria Pena: Yeah, time is always taking any opportunity to draw her in a safety.
• 7:11
  Maria Pena: Of course.
• 7:13
  Tad Eggleston: Can you spare a million dollars for a soda?
• 7:16
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 7:19
  Maria Pena: And then he gives her back the… I love these.
• 7:24
  Maria Pena: His 70s, hairdo with the long bag.
• 7:29
  Tad Eggleston: the horns.
• 7:31
  Maria Pena: And I aren't…
• 7:34
  Marisol: Makes him look so much older.
• 7:36
  Maria Pena: You know, this reminds me of… that's what, Frida Kahlo was like with, with,
• 7:44
  Maria Pena: with Diego Rivera, you know, she used to… she used to, prank him when he was… when she was a young dean.
• 7:52
  Maria Pena: He was painting these, murals, and, and she would go there and
• 7:58
  Maria Pena: You know, kind of prank him and say stuff to him, and then eventually he married her, so that just reminded him that.
• 8:06
  Maria Pena: He did it when she grew up. She wasn't… the chat.
• 8:17
  Maria Pena: And so I guess that was… That was, Penny.
• 8:24
  Maria Pena: Remembering all that, right?
• 8:26
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 8:31
  Tad Eggleston: I do love this image when she finds the coin.
• 8:35
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 8:37
  Maria Pena: And she thinks that she's gonna turn into a superhero. This issue was very porny.
• 8:45
  Maria Pena: We've got a 69 going on there.
• 8:49
  Tad Eggleston: Certainly more porny than we normally get from Jaime, too.
• 8:54
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 8:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, and that's not a very long, penis.
• 9:01
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, it's because he wanted to be able to hide it in her hand.
• 9:05
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 9:07
  Marisol: That's funny.
• 9:09
  Maria Pena: Maybe, huh?
• 9:12
  Tad Eggleston: He didn't actually win.
• 9:13
  Maria Pena: Porny, because if it was… if it was porny, it would be bestie, you know. Right.
• 9:19
  Marisol: Man.
• 9:22
  Maria Pena: I was reading this on the plane on my way from Madrid to here, and
• 9:30
  Maria Pena: not this story, but the later one with Beto, that was really corny. Carmen was like, oh my god, what are you reading?
• 9:39
  Marisol: My, my wife…
• 9:41
  Tad Eggleston: My wife does that to me about 50% of the time when I'm reading Love and Rocket. Though, at this point, she's like, what do you… oh, it's Beto.
• 9:50
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 9:53
  Marisol: Okay, nothing to worry about it.
• 9:55
  Maria Pena: desperate of me.
• 9:57
  Marisol: Oh, man.
• 9:59
  Tad Eggleston: But our… oh, it's Beto.
• 10:03
  Maria Pena: Oh, so this, this was interesting, this hour return, wasn't it?
• 10:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 10:12
  Maria Pena: like, what will happen after, you know, Trump destroys all the, you know, all…
• 10:18
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, we'll find out soon.
• 10:20
  Maria Pena: environment, And, you know, we're extinct, and then we have to come back into the…
• 10:26
  Maria Pena: you know, evolved back into some really weird shit.
• 10:32
  Marisol: It's all over again.
• 10:38
  Maria Pena: I don't even shit… Spring bros.
• 10:50
  Maria Pena: There's your tribute to Jose Guadalupe Posada, who's one of my favorite
• 10:56
  Maria Pena: He's, he was an engraver.
• 10:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 10:59
  Maria Pena: very important, person in Mexico. He's, you know, he did all the calaveras, all the,
• 11:07
  Maria Pena: He used to do, cartoons of famous people as… as skeletons.
• 11:14
  Maria Pena: But they were recognizable by their outfits and stuff.
• 11:18
  Tad Eggleston: Is he super famous.
• 11:20
  Maria Pena: But he's obviously Beto's an admirer.
• 11:25
  Maria Pena: And, so this is, like, in the turn of the century, like… Yeah.
• 11:33
  Maria Pena: Like, you know, around the, the Mexican Revolution and all that stuff.
• 11:39
  Maria Pena: It's good stuff.
• 11:45
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah, sorry.
• 11:48
  Maria Pena: Cool.
• 11:52
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 11:53
  Tad Eggleston: And then Roy. I like Roy.
• 11:55
  Maria Pena: ish.
• 11:56
  Marisol: Fairback.
• 12:01
  Maria Pena: Jesus.
• 12:04
  Maria Pena: Like, the… yeah.
• 12:08
  Maria Pena: So him and his girlfriend, and then they swap.
• 12:11
  Maria Pena: Shop.
• 12:13
  Maria Pena: Masks and their bodies change.
• 12:18
  Maria Pena: And they become each other.
• 12:22
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 12:27
  Maria Pena: Where is…
• 12:27
  Tad Eggleston: He just has so much fun with Roy.
• 12:30
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 12:33
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 12:34
  Tad Eggleston: Me for the unknown, that's… Back to Mario.
• 12:39
  Tad Eggleston: Back to Mario's story, yeah.
• 12:42
  Tad Eggleston: Mario's… Mario's, corporate espionage, kidnapping… Old guy in a chair.
• 12:51
  Maria Pena: Remains carried by this butler.
• 12:54
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 12:55
  Marisol: True.
• 12:56
  Maria Pena: Boom.
• 12:58
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it's a saga, this one.
• 13:04
  Maria Pena: I'm still not sure it's… Going.
• 13:09
  Tad Eggleston: No, I, I, I think that the…
• 13:12
  Tad Eggleston: it's, one of those… and… and at some point, I'll have to, like, go read it together in one of the collected editions, but what it feels more and more to me like…
• 13:23
  Tad Eggleston: is, like, Certain kind of… and maybe it even started out, like, Beto going on his B-movie.
• 13:34
  Tad Eggleston: thing, but a certain type of, of, like, 50s, 60s movie where, you know…
• 13:42
  Tad Eggleston: You can tell that there was more of a plot, but they had to, like, rearrange or cut things based on what they could actually afford to shoot.
• 13:52
  Maria Pena: Oh, okay. Yeah.
• 13:57
  Tad Eggleston: Y-y, you know? Because it's like, oh, you've got a kidnapping story, you've got a corporate espionage story, and like… but we're not getting it all.
• 14:08
  Maria Pena: Correct.
• 14:08
  Tad Eggleston: Even close to it.
• 14:10
  Tad Eggleston: And sometimes it's.
• 14:11
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 14:11
  Tad Eggleston: And sometimes it feels like this shot is here because it looks cool.
• 14:19
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean, like, the old man being carried on the…
• 14:24
  Tad Eggleston: chair. I… I don't even know that there was a purpose to have an old rich man carried through the jungle, except that the…
• 14:31
  Tad Eggleston: the… the… Him on a chair on the… it just looked cool.
• 14:37
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and that's a… that's another, I think that would be… that's a very Gabrielle Garcia Marcus. You know, like, you know, it's like, magic realism kind of…
• 14:49
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 14:50
  Maria Pena: And,
• 14:50
  Marisol: Isn't.
• 14:51
  Maria Pena: Which is fitting, because it…
• 14:54
  Maria Pena: you know, it's set in this mythical, kind of, South American country or something, I think.
• 14:59
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, for that matter, this ends with them jumping off of the hospital boat.
• 15:05
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 15:05
  Marisol: Yep.
• 15:08
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Like, this is…
• 15:10
  Marisol: This is seriously one dedicated butler.
• 15:13
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 15:15
  Tad Eggleston: Well, particularly because.
• 15:16
  Marisol: Early, early.
• 15:16
  Tad Eggleston: Earlier in this story, the butler was in worse shape than he was.
• 15:20
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 15:20
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 15:22
  Marisol: Like, what is.
• 15:22
  Maria Pena: They're like…
• 15:23
  Marisol: That you're going this far above and beyond to do what he wants.
• 15:29
  Maria Pena: I think it's just loyal, you know.
• 15:31
  Maria Pena: It probably doesn't fain that much, just that weird loyalty.
• 15:35
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I'm hoping that there's a twist near the end where he demands payment for all of this.
• 15:42
  Marisol: Oh my god, that's funny.
• 15:44
  Maria Pena: I need compensation.
• 15:49
  Maria Pena: I'm Bernier Jr.
• 15:50
  Tad Eggleston: You need to rework your will, sir, before you die.
• 15:54
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 15:55
  Maria Pena: Oh, you're dying soon, please rework your will.
• 15:59
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I deserve this!
• 16:03
  Tad Eggleston: Let me rephrase, you will die very soon if you don't rework your will.
• 16:14
  Marisol: Oh, man.
• 16:16
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, I don't have…
• 16:19
  Tad Eggleston: as much to say about the substances, and this is… like, I've said it a few times, I do think that, like.
• 16:27
  Tad Eggleston: it would be worth coming back to Love & Rockets when we get through it all, and reading it as the story arcs, the way it's set up in their library editions.
• 16:37
  Tad Eggleston: Because… I think there's some of the stories that… that we don't give the level of… of… attention…
• 16:48
  Tad Eggleston: At least on air to the stories that we might, because we're…
• 16:52
  Tad Eggleston: We're reading 5 different stories at once, and…
• 16:56
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 16:57
  Tad Eggleston: We have time.
• 16:57
  Maria Pena: Yeah, everything.
• 16:59
  Maria Pena: weeks since I read the one before this, so I don't remember what…
• 17:03
  Tad Eggleston: Well, which is… which is still less time than it would have been if we'd been doing it in real life, because, like, sometimes it was… I mean, I don't.
• 17:11
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah!
• 17:12
  Tad Eggleston: They've never really gone for more than quarterly, and they haven't always hit quarterly.
• 17:18
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so… right, so we're reading it like we're just going, you know, we're just getting it delivered.
• 17:25
  Tad Eggleston: Which in some ways is even more a testament to how great
• 17:31
  Tad Eggleston: It is, that it's been able to last this long, despite the fact that it hasn't always been…
• 17:37
  Tad Eggleston: easy to read. And that they have been smart about, like, making certain the collections with storylines got… I mean, they were long before graphic novels were… were a regular thing.
• 17:50
  Maria Pena: Love and Rockets was collecting. And they relatively quickly went from collecting.
• 17:56
  Tad Eggleston: okay, this has issues 1 through 5 to, oh, this has this Jaime storyline, this has this Beto storyline, you know.
• 18:07
  Tad Eggleston: Which just… it gives readers… Multiple different experiences, and… and…
• 18:15
  Tad Eggleston: reason to keep going, because, like, even if… I'm certain that, like, if…
• 18:21
  Tad Eggleston: if I read this storyline together.
• 18:24
  Tad Eggleston: like, 6 months after having finished it in the comics, I would go, oh… And not… not only… not only would that, like…
• 18:37
  Tad Eggleston: Make me more satisfied with it, but that would keep me doing my… my… irregular… single issues, because… Yeah.
• 18:47
  Tad Eggleston: it would… it would go, no, things haven't fallen off, I just…
• 18:52
  Tad Eggleston: There's so much goodness that I can't keep it all together in my head. It's my fault, not theirs.
• 18:59
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 19:01
  Tad Eggleston: And I do love this image.
• 19:03
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, go ahead.
• 19:04
  Maria Pena: It makes me wonder how Beto kept the, you know, I mean…
• 19:10
  Maria Pena: I guess Mario wrote the story all in one.
• 19:12
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 19:13
  Maria Pena: It was just kind of dry.
• 19:15
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and I think that they get to do more of the, let's put the whole story together, and then release it in parts.
• 19:24
  Tad Eggleston: So it's not quite.
• 19:25
  Maria Pena: Just because he's working on all this other stuff.
• 19:28
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I know… I know Beto likes to… to jump around some, but… but, like…
• 19:35
  Tad Eggleston: From talking to him, it sounds like a lot of the times the story is done before it starts getting…
• 19:42
  Tad Eggleston: Published.
• 19:44
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 19:45
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it'd be a question to ask specifically the next time I talk to him, or the next time we talk to him. We'll figure it out. He's come back multiple times now. I have confidence I'll talk to him again.
• 19:59
  Tad Eggleston: Oh. Yes.
• 20:02
  Tad Eggleston: Another better story, confirmation.
• 20:04
  Maria Pena: Oh, gosh.
• 20:06
  Maria Pena: It's reading Adventure of Sister Mary Joseph.
• 20:09
  Maria Pena: Oh.
• 20:11
  Maria Pena: Confirmation, yeah.
• 20:13
  Maria Pena: Very… she reminds me of a nun I met here in Malta, actually. She was very happy. Yeah, a nun from Brazil.
• 20:23
  Maria Pena: Chair that, please. No.
• 20:28
  Maria Pena: Yeah, this is a weird, got it.
• 20:34
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's weird, because, like, you… I mean, I'm just noticing, like, the little tiny things right now, because…
• 20:42
  Tad Eggleston: The nun in the full habit immediately makes it feel older, and… and in the first picture, like.
• 20:51
  Tad Eggleston: The buildings look more classic, classic.
• 20:56
  Maria Pena: like, sorry, like Morocco or something, actually. It looks like… it looks like Adobe buildings or something.
• 21:03
  Marisol: Right.
• 21:03
  Tad Eggleston: Right. But then… but then she's putting a card into some sort of machine, and then you have this really weird card, or car that the guy is driving.
• 21:13
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 21:14
  Tad Eggleston: And then she goes to visit aliens in the zoo?
• 21:18
  Maria Pena: And then there's people with, bubbleheads.
• 21:21
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 21:22
  Maria Pena: Yeah, like those candy machines.
• 21:25
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 21:26
  Maria Pena: In the zoo, you know, she's walking through the zoo, so I'm a dad and son with her.
• 21:34
  Maria Pena: Father and child with… Bubblehead machines. Bubble gum machines.
• 21:40
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 21:42
  Maria Pena: the one that frightened her. So she's visiting a creature that frightened her when she was a…
• 21:49
  Maria Pena: child, and then she says, there's no sexual tension when I visit. I guess she was talking about the fetish.
• 21:56
  Tad Eggleston: And…
• 21:57
  Marisol: You know, she was talking about…
• 21:59
  Maria Pena: fetishes.
• 22:05
  Maria Pena: It's… yeah.
• 22:08
  Maria Pena: And then it turns out that she's visiting it, it looks… and she has an affection for it, but if it escaped.
• 22:15
  Maria Pena: She's been told that it would likely hunt her down and devour me as a token, and devour her as a token of its affection.
• 22:24
  Tad Eggleston: It's true.
• 22:27
  Tad Eggleston: The story is just weird on so many levels in two pages.
• 22:30
  Maria Pena: There's so many limbs.
• 22:31
  Tad Eggleston: I, I just…
• 22:33
  Maria Pena: Two pages that stay with you, because he's like, what the…
• 22:39
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 22:40
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, and I do, I love that last piece of text. I was told that should I ever escape, it would likely hunt me down and devour me as a token of its affection.
• 22:51
  Tad Eggleston: Well, why not?
• 22:53
  Maria Pena: Or, hell, why not?
• 22:56
  Tad Eggleston: It's like…
• 22:59
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 22:59
  Maria Pena: And then a little ad for future.
• 23:02
  Tad Eggleston: Or more, yeah.
• 23:03
  Maria Pena: Oh, this was sad, the story with Ritzy.
• 23:09
  Tad Eggleston: Fritzy as the very low self-esteem all over the place.
• 23:17
  Tad Eggleston: high school kid.
• 23:19
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so this is… this is what I was reading in the plane, and Carvin was like, what are you reading?
• 23:31
  Maria Pena: And I mean, and it's not a, you know, it's not even titillating, because these guys are just.
• 23:36
  Tad Eggleston: No, and it's not… it's not supposed to be. It's… it's… it's like…
• 23:40
  Maria Pena: Where?
• 23:44
  Tad Eggleston: she… I mean, it just, like, is emblematic of, like, her… her esteem for herself is so low that she will let these guys do anything
• 23:57
  Tad Eggleston: In some semblance of, oh, I have value because… Oh.
• 24:05
  Maria Pena: Mind you, yes.
• 24:07
  Maria Pena: But she was also out of it, you know, the.
• 24:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, well…
• 24:11
  Maria Pena: I'm ready to send it there.
• 24:12
  Tad Eggleston: She… yeah, no, no, I wasn't… I, I, I, I, I…
• 24:17
  Tad Eggleston: to some extent, I meant she was in the situation to begin with. She let them get her drunk, she let…
• 24:23
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, didn't let them as much, but she…
• 24:27
  Tad Eggleston: Like, the implication from her facial expressions, etc, is that, like, she wasn't unaware that this was gonna happen when she let them get her…
• 24:39
  Maria Pena: Drunk, high, whatever.
• 24:42
  Tad Eggleston: It's just… Fritz, at this time in her life, feels… So…
• 24:49
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, we've seen her childhood.
• 24:52
  Tad Eggleston: Where, where, like, mom left them alone all the time.
• 24:57
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 24:58
  Tad Eggleston: And when she wasn't, she was there with Boyfriend of the Week that, like, always… had issues.
• 25:05
  Tad Eggleston: And we've seen in previous issues how much Fritz absolutely feels like she's in Petra's shadow at this point.
• 25:12
  Tad Eggleston: Like, oh, Petra can do no wrong, and I'm the…
• 25:16
  Tad Eggleston: You know, so she's trying to find any way to be herself, and right now, it's as the…
• 25:26
  Tad Eggleston: The funky.
• 25:27
  Maria Pena: Bad girl. Yeah. Yeah, trying to be a bad girl, she's not really.
• 25:33
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 25:36
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Right. It's pretty sad.
• 25:42
  Tad Eggleston: Then another day for Julio.
• 25:44
  Maria Pena: And, and then… She finds that her friends you know.
• 25:51
  Maria Pena: They took behind her back and stuff, like…
• 25:54
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 25:56
  Tad Eggleston: Her friends aren't even her friends. They… they… they think of her…
• 26:01
  Marisol: Steal from her, and…
• 26:03
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 26:04
  Marisol: Talk shit about her.
• 26:06
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 26:07
  Maria Pena: Appreciate. Appreciate. I… I felt very sorry.
• 26:14
  Maria Pena: Anyway.
• 26:20
  Tad Eggleston: We only get one page of Julio's day.
• 26:25
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 26:25
  Tad Eggleston: This month, but my God, is it beautiful.
• 26:29
  Maria Pena: Rainy day.
• 26:30
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 26:31
  Maria Pena: Excellent.
• 26:34
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 26:35
  Tad Eggleston: I honestly think my favorite Beto panel might be this one where he's standing by the cow.
• 26:44
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. In the rain, looking at the house.
• 26:50
  Tad Eggleston: It's just, it's mesmerizing.
• 26:55
  Tad Eggleston: And, you know, I've talked about my love for Beto Skies.
• 26:59
  Tad Eggleston: Multiple times, and the fact that, like, he somehow manages to use that That same style.
• 27:08
  Tad Eggleston: That he uses for clouds all the time, but turn it into rain.
• 27:12
  Tad Eggleston: Just by… just by, like… hardening the edges a little bit, by making it… it's just…
• 27:22
  Maria Pena: boys.
• 27:22
  Maria Pena: Water.
• 27:24
  Maria Pena: Down, you know, Yeah.
• 27:26
  Tad Eggleston: Well, yeah, but the fact that, like, most of the time, I mean, I'm used to seeing, you know, I'm fascinated with rain in comics.
• 27:35
  Tad Eggleston: I… I'm not… Used to the rain.
• 27:39
  Tad Eggleston: Being built the same way the clouds are.
• 27:42
  Tad Eggleston: Even though that makes sense, because clouds in real life are… are…
• 27:49
  Tad Eggleston: you know, condensation, etc, and they…
• 27:54
  Tad Eggleston: you know, I'm used to, like, it feeling… the clouds and the rain feeling separate, and the way Beto does it here.
• 28:04
  Marisol: They're the same…
• 28:05
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, there's such a blurred line between where the clouds end and the rain begins.
• 28:11
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Well, yeah, he's… he's basically… depicting… the fuzziness.
• 28:20
  Maria Pena: You know, the water falling diffuses everything.
• 28:25
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, for that matter, this… this top one with the tree…
• 28:29
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 28:30
  Marisol: It's the one with the house, too.
• 28:32
  Tad Eggleston: The house, yeah, no, this page is…
• 28:34
  Marisol: Friday.
• 28:36
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 28:37
  Tad Eggleston: This is one of my favorite Beto pages ever.
• 28:40
  Maria Pena: Which is… It's so poetic. It's really… Beautiful.
• 28:47
  Marisol: It's just, it's, it's simple, it's just a rainy day.
• 28:50
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 28:51
  Marisol: But there's so much to love about it.
• 28:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 28:57
  Tad Eggleston: They've got some ads, their, their, their, their upcoming national tour.
• 29:04
  Tad Eggleston: To a number of shops that are still out there.
• 29:08
  Tad Eggleston: Good ones, and evidence of… of what I was talking about earlier, and there…
• 29:15
  Tad Eggleston: They're collecting all sorts of stuff.
• 29:21
  Tad Eggleston: And I definitely… I need a set of Love & Rockets trading cards at some point.
• 29:25
  Maria Pena: cards.
• 29:27
  Maria Pena: I didn't feel around?
• 29:30
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I'm certain that they can be bought on the aftermarket. How much? Who knows?
• 29:35
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 29:36
  Tad Eggleston: I know some people with fan of graphics now, so I might first have to ask if they happen to have any.
• 29:44
  Marisol: Well, there you go.
• 29:47
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, and then I love this back cover. I don't know why, but, like, the double amputee with three-pronged metal hands…
• 29:58
  Maria Pena: to be able.
• 29:59
  Tad Eggleston: Drawing at the table.
• 30:02
  Maria Pena: Yeah, cartoonist, amputated cartoonist.
• 30:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. It's… it's so very Beto.
• 30:13
  Maria Pena: And it's a, you know, like a 1950s, you know.
• 30:16
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 30:16
  Maria Pena: heavens, there's, portraits of, you know, famous cartoonists and stuff.
• 30:23
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Wearing a tie as he works.
• 30:26
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:29
  Maria Pena: It's… yeah.
• 30:32
  Maria Pena: Very nostalgic, but… but he's an amputee.
• 30:37
  Tad Eggleston: And then we have some Luba… Comics and Stories?
• 30:46
  Maria Pena: Yes!
• 30:46
  Tad Eggleston: We got… we got to know Peepo this… this month.
• 30:50
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 30:51
  Tad Eggleston: I do, I love… I love the people cover. I love the… the shock of white in her hair.
• 30:57
  Maria Pena: Yes, like, Tongolele.
• 31:02
  Maria Pena: there was a 1950s starlet in Mexican, Mexican, cinema called Tongolele, and she was, like, this,
• 31:12
  Maria Pena: You should look her up.
• 31:15
  Maria Pena: She's like, like a showgirl, you know, and she did… they did,
• 31:22
  Maria Pena: movies with her, and she had a shot of white hair, that was her thing, you know. So I wonder if Beto is drawing from that.
• 31:32
  Maria Pena: There were the… Fitness.
• 31:37
  Maria Pena: Complete.
• 31:39
  Maria Pena: As soon as I said.
• 31:40
  Tad Eggleston: I love… I also love the Venus Approved down in the corner.
• 31:47
  Marisol: Yeah, it's cute.
• 31:49
  Maria Pena: And and Luba is saying, join people with my sister Fritz on an exotic adventure that makes even me blush.
• 32:01
  Maria Pena: And people looks like, like a showgirl there, actually.
• 32:09
  Maria Pena: Droid, Dead.
• 32:15
  Maria Pena: I'm in bed with people.
• 32:21
  Maria Pena: So, you know, a little… a little nod to the documentary, In Bed with Madonna.
• 32:28
  Maria Pena: And that was around the 90s.
• 32:31
  Maria Pena: Me too.
• 32:32
  Maria Pena: You probably… you guys are too young, aren't you?
• 32:35
  Tad Eggleston: In bed with Madonna?
• 32:37
  Maria Pena: In bed with Madonna.
• 32:39
  Tad Eggleston: I vaguely remember that.
• 32:42
  Marisol: I don't know what that is.
• 32:42
  Maria Pena: It was a documentary about Madonna. You do know Madonna, right?
• 32:48
  Marisol: Yes, I do know Madonna.
• 32:50
  Maria Pena: So, this was in her… she was…
• 32:53
  Maria Pena: She did a, a documentary, like a… it was like the precursor of, of reality.
• 33:01
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I remember.
• 33:03
  Maria Pena: What a crew to follow her around.
• 33:06
  Maria Pena: And she, you know, before concerts and stuff, and, you know, all the drama with the dancers, this and that, even Warren Beatty appears in it.
• 33:17
  Maria Pena: So… I think that's, so, yeah.
• 33:21
  Maria Pena: So this… probably what Beto was referring to, because that's the era.
• 33:30
  Maria Pena: It's good that we're oldest, that I am the oldest, oldest here to…
• 33:35
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, I vaguely remember that, and I definitely remember her book, Sex.
• 33:41
  Maria Pena: Yes, which I never bought a copy of, and then they became collectors' items, and then I kicked myself, because, you know, I was like,
• 33:50
  Tad Eggleston: What I remember most… is there was a Saturday Night Live sketch with Phil Hartman playing…
• 33:59
  Tad Eggleston: I think Frank Sinatra?
• 34:01
  Tad Eggleston: and somebody else playing either Howard Stern or some other shock jock. And the idea is they were making the audiobook, and Sinatra would read it, and then the shock jock would…
• 34:15
  Tad Eggleston: would describe the page, and Sinatra was being all… crude. He was like, I love my…
• 34:24
  Tad Eggleston: I'm not going to say that word.
• 34:29
  Tad Eggleston: And then you cut to, like, the studio guys, it's like, it's okay, it's okay. He said, push yesterday, and we've got the E from here, so we'll just put them together. I love my pushy, we'll make it work!
• 34:43
  Tad Eggleston: Say whatever you want, Frank.
• 34:45
  Tad Eggleston: I love my vagina!
• 34:52
  Tad Eggleston: But then, when it was the Shock Jock's turn, he's like, so in this picture…
• 35:00
  Tad Eggleston: She's got her hand! Way!
• 35:04
  Maria Pena: Way up there!
• 35:05
  Marisol: Oh, man.
• 35:08
  Maria Pena: Funny, I haven't seen that book for, you know, probably decades.
• 35:13
  Maria Pena: But I bet… I'll bet it's pretained by today's standards.
• 35:18
  Tad Eggleston: I wouldn't be surprised if it is.
• 35:25
  Tad Eggleston: The 1992… controversial 1992… coffee table book.
• 35:34
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 35:36
  Tad Eggleston: No, there are PDFs available now.
• 35:39
  Maria Pena: Oh, are they?
• 35:43
  Maria Pena: Oh, shit.
• 35:44
  Maria Pena: Yeah, well…
• 35:46
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's only, it's only…
• 35:47
  Maria Pena: I know that, now look at it.
• 35:48
  Tad Eggleston: It's, it's $300 if you get it with the tour program on, on, eBay.
• 35:58
  Maria Pena: See, that became very expensive.
• 36:00
  Tad Eggleston: But, if you just get the book… Without the packaging, it's $41.
• 36:12
  Maria Pena: Oh, that's alright.
• 36:14
  Tad Eggleston: So… it depends on which edition and how much of the packaging you still have available.
• 36:21
  Tad Eggleston: And whether you read it.
• 36:24
  Tad Eggleston: Is what it looks like.
• 36:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I remember the absolute… I was 12, so I totally remember the controversy. I was just the right age to be like, I want that! And I can't even say I want that, because…
• 36:42
  Tad Eggleston: Because I'm 12, and I'm not allowed to want that.
• 36:52
  Tad Eggleston: She became almost every 12-year-old boy's favorite person in the world for at least a year.
• 37:01
  Maria Pena: Oh, boy.
• 37:05
  Tad Eggleston: Oops.
• 37:06
  Maria Pena: Ugh.
• 37:07
  Tad Eggleston: This… this…
• 37:08
  Maria Pena: So, yes, so you… you would have been a child, too, when the documentary embedded in the domic.
• 37:14
  Tad Eggleston: Welcome.
• 37:17
  Maria Pena: This.
• 37:20
  Tad Eggleston: Is this Sergio with Fritz? It is.
• 37:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 37:23
  Tad Eggleston: really weird.
• 37:24
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's weird enough that Brits has this sex gun fetish.
• 37:29
  Tad Eggleston: But the fact that she's got Sergio as the one…
• 37:36
  Tad Eggleston: Playing it out with her just feels…
• 37:39
  Maria Pena: That much.
• 37:39
  Tad Eggleston: weirder.
• 37:41
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 37:41
  Maria Pena: It is so disturbing. Yeah.
• 37:44
  Marisol: Oh, messing around with people.
• 37:47
  Maria Pena: So… what's the story here? So, people have a little crush on Fritz. She wants to…
• 37:58
  Tad Eggleston: I think we've actually gotten to the point where Fritz and Pipo are a thing, and Fritz and Sergio are a thing.
• 38:08
  Maria Pena: Yeah, but… but is this a flashback to before? Because she's, you know, people are coming on to Fritz, and Fritz is going, oh, no, I'm not an SPN, but they're.
• 38:18
  Tad Eggleston: It might be.
• 38:19
  Maria Pena: Nope.
• 38:19
  Maria Pena: I think it's a flashback.
• 38:23
  Marisol: Well, because they're on holiday throughout most of this, aren't they?
• 38:27
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 38:27
  Tad Eggleston: Hmm.
• 38:29
  Maria Pena: They're somewhere in… like, it looks like, Morocco or somewhere, because they're speaking of French, and it looks kind of tropical with people. There's a man in a bed.
• 38:40
  Marisol: Which, that I find hilarious. People can speak perfect French, but she still can't.
• 38:45
  Maria Pena: fabulous.
• 38:46
  Tad Eggleston: I think Peepo knows English, and it's just a, like, fuck you for not being willing to try to learn my language.
• 38:59
  Maria Pena: Plus, you know, Frenchies.
• 39:01
  Maria Pena: easier if you speak Spanish.
• 39:04
  Tad Eggleston: Also, this is one of the… the weirdest pages ever, the… the…
• 39:08
  Maria Pena: Oh yeah, man, with the penises.
• 39:10
  Marisol: Beautiful.
• 39:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 39:12
  Maria Pena: There is a painting, by American artist Alice Neal.
• 39:18
  Maria Pena: Where she drew her lover. This is in the 1930s or something, and then she drew him with a couple of penises. I wonder if better…
• 39:29
  Maria Pena: does anything to do with that, or… or it's just better be weird, thinking, oh, imagine if someone had two pinches.
• 39:40
  Tad Eggleston: And then… and then Peepo decides to have the three-way with her… her boy toy and the man with two penises.
• 39:47
  Tad Eggleston: And then when she goes to talk to Fritz, we've got, Fortunato!
• 39:52
  Maria Pena: She's like, yeah, I'm all right, something came up. Fortunately.
• 39:58
  Marisol: Making.
• 39:59
  Maria Pena: And I'm turkey.
• 40:01
  Maria Pena: And then, fortunate to affects both of them.
• 40:04
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 40:05
  Tad Eggleston: You thought, you thought the Loving Rockets issue was porny. This one! No, no, no!
• 40:13
  Maria Pena: I think I was talking, yeah, both of these, you know, like, it's a very thorny kind of… this is super boring.
• 40:20
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Well, and then we do go backwards, because we discover that her gun fetish comes from that cop that abused her.
• 40:28
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 40:29
  Tad Eggleston: Good.
• 40:30
  Maria Pena: She goes to touch his gun, and…
• 40:33
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 40:35
  Maria Pena: Well, I mean, Fritz has had a very, very disturbing childhood.
• 40:41
  Maria Pena: Whoa.
• 40:42
  Marisol: Yes.
• 40:46
  Tad Eggleston: And then we… then there's… Go ahead. Yeah.
• 40:52
  Maria Pena: Sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself, because… oh, that's right, well, you've got it there. They're in this town where everybody hates Catholics.
• 41:03
  Maria Pena: I guess it's not Morocco or something, I don't know what it is, but .
• 41:08
  Marisol: I don't think they ever say.
• 41:09
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and suddenly, they don't really say, you know, is it in the Middle East, or what, you know, but they're speaking in French, and there's people within affairs
• 41:18
  Maria Pena: But then now there's, you know.
• 41:21
  Maria Pena: they're… they're rounding up all the Catholics, or whatever, right?
• 41:28
  Maria Pena: And they have to escape.
• 41:31
  Maria Pena: The town, and finally, Ritzy and… oh no.
• 41:38
  Maria Pena: I thought that freesian people were having it on, but it's actually portion out of Sundays.
• 41:44
  Marisol: Yep.
• 41:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we're out of town, and we still have Fortunato.
• 41:52
  Maria Pena: Yeah, let's fucking before we wait for the boat to rescue us.
• 41:56
  Tad Eggleston: So.
• 41:56
  Maria Pena: While we wait for our rescue, what shall we do?
• 42:00
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I get his face, and you get his crotch, and oh, we can play with each other's boobs.
• 42:07
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 42:09
  Maria Pena: And everyone has a good time. And Fortunato's hand is in there, too, with people's boobs.
• 42:14
  Maria Pena: Oh, man.
• 42:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 42:19
  Maria Pena: Don't get ill.
• 42:24
  Tad Eggleston: Then they make it to, the travel agency.
• 42:31
  Maria Pena: Oh, look at the sign on top of that door.
• 42:35
  Maria Pena: I-N-R-I?
• 42:37
  Maria Pena: That's, that's what… God, I am such a Catholic. In the depictions of Jesus on the cross, that inscription's on top of the cross. I don't… I have no idea what it means.
• 42:50
  Tad Eggleston: I used to, and I'm looking it up.
• 42:54
  Marisol: The power of the…
• 42:55
  Tad Eggleston: creation of… Jesus Nazarenes Rex Ludi Orum, which translates to Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews.
• 43:06
  Marisol: We learned something today.
• 43:09
  Maria Pena: So yeah, so I just noticed.
• 43:12
  Tad Eggleston: Latin.
• 43:15
  Maria Pena: Yeah, su nasarero. Okay, yeah, seder.
• 43:21
  Maria Pena: Interesting stuff from…
• 43:24
  Tad Eggleston: And, and, and, and…
• 43:26
  Maria Pena: Idiots!
• 43:27
  Tad Eggleston: it's… it's,
• 43:31
  Tad Eggleston: I always remember it a little bit because of the Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, where…
• 43:40
  Tad Eggleston: He's having to… the name of God will… will… and… and he steps towards the J, and the fall…
• 43:49
  Tad Eggleston: Laura falls out, and you hear his father back in the…
• 43:53
  Maria Pena: Stephan.
• 43:54
  Tad Eggleston: Amber in Latin. Jesus starts with an I!
• 44:03
  Marisol: That's funny.
• 44:05
  Tad Eggleston: This is also just a great beige.
• 44:09
  Tad Eggleston: An alien, a… a midget… superhero.
• 44:13
  Maria Pena: Brad Ankle.
• 44:14
  Tad Eggleston: M. Lincoln, A robot… What looks like a.
• 44:17
  Marisol: behind them.
• 44:18
  Maria Pena: lady.
• 44:18
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Fat lady, and, and…
• 44:22
  Maria Pena: Isn't that guy in Saga?
• 44:24
  Tad Eggleston: A guy in, like, a hazmat suit?
• 44:26
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 44:26
  Maria Pena: It looks… it's like those people with the computer monitors in Saga.
• 44:31
  Marisol: Yeah, a little bit.
• 44:32
  Tad Eggleston: Little bit, yeah.
• 44:35
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 44:37
  Maria Pena: You never know, maybe that was the kernel that…
• 44:40
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, the number of different things that Love & Rockets has influenced that we know it's influenced, that would not shock me at all.
• 44:48
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Tad Eggleston: Excellent.
• 44:54
  Tad Eggleston: I love Fortunato.
• 44:56
  Tad Eggleston: Front and center on the back cover.
• 44:58
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 45:00
  Tad Eggleston: Tantalizing blue eyes.
• 45:05
  Tad Eggleston: Mesmerizing blue eyes.
• 45:08
  Maria Pena: Yeah, hypnotizing.
• 45:12
  Maria Pena: You see that Fortunato.
• 45:13
  Tad Eggleston: And suddenly you get it.
• 45:15
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:17
  Marisol: Will it technically be some kind of flashback? Because I can't remember if the last time we saw Fortunato, he was still alive?
• 45:25
  Tad Eggleston: See, and I remember making the argument that I don't think Fortunato dies. I just don't think he does. I'm not certain that Fortunato is human.
• 45:34
  Maria Pena: have been beyond.
• 45:38
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 45:39
  Maria Pena: There's something, like, he's like an archangel or something.
• 45:43
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, all…
• 45:44
  Maria Pena: And the magical realism kind of…
• 45:46
  Tad Eggleston: All we really know about Fortunato is when he shows up.
• 45:51
  Tad Eggleston: Anybody who's attracted to men gets naked.
• 45:56
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 45:57
  Maria Pena: We couldn't… But I think, yeah, it probably influences anybody, just… yeah.
• 46:07
  Maria Pena: Wouldn't surprise me if…
• 46:13
  Tad Eggleston: I think Fortunato is that, that, that representation of, like…
• 46:18
  Tad Eggleston: of… well, not Cupid, because he doesn't bring love, he just brings…
• 46:23
  Marisol: No.
• 46:23
  Tad Eggleston: lust and passion. He's that representation of how… how, like… Libido can… can throw…
• 46:35
  Maria Pena: Absolutely all logical.
• 46:37
  Marisol: out the window.
• 46:39
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 46:40
  Marisol: Man, that would make sense.
• 46:42
  Tad Eggleston: The human ability to go from intelligent, smart, responsible, to… Time for sex now!
• 46:52
  Marisol: One thought only, nothing else matters.
• 46:55
  Maria Pena: kit.
• 46:56
  Maria Pena: How the blood leaves your brain and goes somewhere else.
• 46:59
  Maria Pena: Right.
• 47:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, now I have to debate for my favorite Beto image. It's either the guy in the rain looking at his house, or it's Fortunato's mesmerizing eyes.
• 47:19
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 47:20
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I… like, I think the decision to, like, cut off the top of his head and chin and force you to just look at the eyes and lips is brilliant here, too. I mean, this is…
• 47:30
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 47:31
  Tad Eggleston: This is perfect. Like, there are all sorts of legs, boobs, women, whatever, and, like, even as a straight man, I can only look at his eyes when I'm looking at the back of this page.
• 47:43
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 47:44
  Tad Eggleston: grabs you.
• 47:46
  Marisol: It's just the aura he has, it's just so… magnetic.
• 47:52
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I think having it turn out that his skin and hair color are just a, like.
• 47:58
  Maria Pena: golden…
• 47:59
  Tad Eggleston: Just a little bit off, and both Golden.
• 48:03
  Tad Eggleston: Like, he's
• 48:05
  Tad Eggleston: You know, like, I just listened to Cameron Crowe's biography, and, like, in Almost Famous, you've got the guy jumping off the roof. I am a golden god. I'm wondering if he was thinking that he was Fortunato, because…
• 48:22
  Maria Pena: Maybe.
• 48:26
  Maria Pena: Well, last, last episode, Fortunato jumped off… well, he was thrown off a cliff, so, you know…
• 48:32
  Marisol: 5th.
• 48:34
  Maria Pena: I don't know if it was last, the issue with.
• 48:36
  Maria Pena: one of those.
• 48:40
  Tad Eggleston: So, let's… let's talk some favorites.
• 48:44
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 48:50
  Marisol: Hmm…
• 48:52
  Tad Eggleston: And I'm still… I can't decide. I'm… I'm saying right now, my Beto is both. It's the Fortunato on the back cover, and it's the…
• 49:03
  Tad Eggleston: The, the Julio in the rain.
• 49:06
  Maria Pena: Hmm. Hmm.
• 49:09
  Marisol: My favorites would have to be, actually, the front cover of this. I love the way Pipo's drawn.
• 49:15
  Tad Eggleston: Okay. And the scene around her, and also…
• 49:19
  Marisol: On the same page you're talking about, but the rain on… coming down the side of the house.
• 49:24
  Tad Eggleston: Okay. Which, I also…
• 49:27
  Marisol: I just want that whole thing framed and on my wall.
• 49:33
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 49:34
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 49:36
  Maria Pena: On this, this, this Luba, one, sorry, people, please,
• 49:48
  Maria Pena: I mean, I like the first splash of people on the beach with her.
• 49:52
  Maria Pena: So… because I like a simple… but actually, Mel, maybe it's that, that, that, that…
• 50:00
  Maria Pena: That panel with, people, and Sergio, and the alien, and Abraham Lincoln, and it's quite nice.
• 50:08
  Tad Eggleston: That's a good one.
• 50:09
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 50:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah, for this issue.
• 50:17
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I think that's… Let's… Very good.
• 50:32
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and maybe that, that panel that you mentioned, Chad, with the
• 50:38
  Maria Pena: the… them jumping off the ship, I thought that was… that's so good.
• 50:43
  Maria Pena: Pretty cool.
• 50:45
  Maria Pena: That's a good one.
• 50:56
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 50:57
  Maria Pena: I mean, yeah.
• 50:58
  Tad Eggleston: I love that we remember so much Beto from here that I'm having trouble typing everything…
• 51:06
  Tad Eggleston: And we're not even flipping through the pages to be able to remember it.
• 51:11
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 51:16
  Tad Eggleston: Jumping off ship Abraham Lincoln, house in the Rain.
• 51:24
  Tad Eggleston: And the front cover…
• 51:28
  Tad Eggleston: And… Julio, and… Rain… And…
• 51:39
  Tad Eggleston: Fortunato. Fortunato, I feel like, has to be in… in capital letters with an exclamation point. That's the only way to write it.
• 51:47
  Maria Pena: Absolutely, yes.
• 51:49
  Tad Eggleston: The exclamation point comes before the apostrophe S, as I write Fortunato's eyes.
• 52:02
  Maria Pena: I can look at this point.
• 52:03
  Marisol: Part name and part just title for him.
• 52:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 52:09
  Tad Eggleston: It's, it's like, it's his essence.
• 52:12
  Marisol: Yep.
• 52:12
  Tad Eggleston: name, it's his gender, it's his race, it's his ethnicity, it's his…
• 52:18
  Marisol: everything.
• 52:19
  Tad Eggleston: Species, it's the planet he's from.
• 52:27
  Maria Pena: Totally.
• 52:29
  Marisol: I'm gonna laugh if we eventually get to a point where we do see that Fortunato is an alien.
• 52:36
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, I feel like, I feel…
• 52:38
  Maria Pena: So it is, so it's from heaven, or something.
• 52:40
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I feel like the next time I talk.
• 52:42
  Maria Pena: Otherworldly.
• 52:43
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna have to ask him, like, when do we get our single issue completely dedicated to Fortunato?
• 52:53
  Marisol: Yep.
• 52:53
  Tad Eggleston: that, like, if you do it right, you'll bill it as the origin of Fortunato, and then make it such that
• 53:04
  Tad Eggleston: By the end of it, we have more questions about him than answers.
• 53:08
  Maria Pena: But there was… we've had, kind of… oh, I love… I love that first flash page, the Bay of Trees.
• 53:15
  Tad Eggleston: They have 3 is…
• 53:16
  Maria Pena: It shows… yeah, because it shows that… how it's now, the… that street, and the way it was.
• 53:24
  Tad Eggleston: Right? It goes into…
• 53:25
  Maria Pena: It's like the flashback, right?
• 53:28
  Marisol: Like… Yeah.
• 53:29
  Maria Pena: The storytelling… storytelling is amazing, because… You know, the…
• 53:35
  Marisol: Nope.
• 53:35
  Marisol: and buy.
• 53:38
  Maria Pena: What's that?
• 53:40
  Marisol: Like, up here on this page, that top panel is how it is now, and the bottom one is where it was then.
• 53:46
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and it's so nostalgic, and it's just beautiful. Like, I thought that was… that was very good.
• 53:57
  Tad Eggleston: My favorite one is…
• 53:59
  Marisol: We… wait.
• 54:00
  Maria Pena: She throws so many.
• 54:01
  Marisol: And it bounces off his forehead.
• 54:03
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah.
• 54:04
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I think that's my winner.
• 54:06
  Marisol: Just… the aim is spectacular.
• 54:09
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 54:11
  Tad Eggleston: The bank shot off of coast against the forehead.
• 54:14
  Marisol: Yep.
• 54:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 54:19
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. I was thinking about a couple other panels, but no, that one.
• 54:27
  Marisol: And it just so…
• 54:28
  Maria Pena: I mean, it's such a comic book.
• 54:29
  Marisol: he lives.
• 54:31
  Maria Pena: such a comic book-y panel, you know, so you can see the movement of her arm, you can see the trajectory of it, hitting his forehead, banging his hands, and then the next panel is
• 54:42
  Maria Pena: Cut to him looking at it, like, like, it's just beautiful storytelling.
• 54:49
  Maria Pena: Fabulous.
• 54:50
  Maria Pena: There's a really nice, panel.
• 54:55
  Maria Pena: The page… couple of pages before that were…
• 55:00
  Maria Pena: Penny and that girl with the glasses are walking through… that one.
• 55:05
  Maria Pena: Yeah. That one's just beautiful.
• 55:08
  Maria Pena: They're walking through the forest or something. Yeah.
• 55:11
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean… We've said it a lot of times, nobody uses black the way Jaime does. Yeah.
• 55:19
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 55:21
  Tad Eggleston: Whether it's silhouettes, or shadows, or…
• 55:25
  Tad Eggleston: Like, at the bottom of this page, like, when they're inside, you've got the white windows.
• 55:33
  Tad Eggleston: It tells you that they're inside, and the black windows tell you that they're outside.
• 55:37
  Marisol: Yeah. Yep.
• 55:39
  Tad Eggleston: You know.
• 55:40
  Maria Pena: again.
• 55:41
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 55:44
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I love the way he's just… he's divided the plane into foreground, midground, you know.
• 55:50
  Tad Eggleston: Hmm.
• 55:51
  Maria Pena: background so skillfully, it's just…
• 55:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 55:59
  Tad Eggleston: So good.
• 56:01
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 56:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's another one in the books.
• 56:11
  Maria Pena: Did you pick something, Marisol?
• 56:14
  Marisol: Yeah, I did, the one with the quarter bouncing off coconut.
• 56:17
  Tad Eggleston: We wound up agreeing.
• 56:19
  Maria Pena: Okay, oh, Yeah, we wound up agreeing.
• 56:22
  Maria Pena: Come on!
• 56:23
  Tad Eggleston: I thought to myself.
• 56:24
  Maria Pena: So many good panels here.
• 56:25
  Tad Eggleston: There are… well, and if you're gonna make me pick another, I think, actually, that I'm gonna go to the front cover.
• 56:33
  Maria Pena: Oh, yes. This is one of my.
• 56:35
  Tad Eggleston: favorite Beatrice.
• 56:36
  Tad Eggleston: But no, that bank shot is just…
• 56:41
  Tad Eggleston: Which is so good, it deserves to be picked twice.
• 56:47
  Marisol: I love…
• 56:48
  Maria Pena: All the girls in the background of this. Like, all the different types of girls.
• 56:53
  Marisol: Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:54
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 56:57
  Maria Pena: Really nice. And it's a windy day, you see that?
• 57:00
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 57:02
  Maria Pena: their hair…
• 57:04
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and different ones of them are… are reacting to the… to the cold differently, and…
• 57:11
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 57:11
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Like, every part of this cover is just…
• 57:15
  Maria Pena: Fantastic. It is extraordinary.
• 57:19
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 57:20
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 57:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 57:24
  Tad Eggleston: another… another Love & Rockets book club in… in the books. We continue to just have, like, all kinds of…
• 57:33
  Tad Eggleston: Awesomeness.
• 57:35
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 57:42
  Marisol: And… and I, very…
• 57:47
  Tad Eggleston: Very horny issues this week, but…
• 57:53
  Marisol: You know.
• 57:53
  Tad Eggleston: A little bit, yeah.
• 57:58
  Maria Pena: I was like, good, am I reading Birdland or what? Jesus.
• 58:04
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, not quite. I've read Birdland.
• 58:08
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 58:09
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, at some point, we'll…
• 58:10
  Maria Pena: pure…
• 58:12
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, it was literally, you know, Phantographics for a short period had their Eros line that was… you know, they were trying to be slightly more highbrow, but, like, they were… they were explicit comics.
• 58:25
  Marisol: corn, yeah.
• 58:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 58:27
  Tad Eggleston: They were unabashedly explicit comics.
• 58:31
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 58:33
  Tad Eggleston: And so, you know…
• 58:36
  Maria Pena: Trying to make some money, why not?
• 58:39
  Marisol: Oh, man.
• 58:43
  Tad Eggleston: So… Alrighty. For…
• 58:45
  Maria Pena: Alrighty.
• 58:46
  Tad Eggleston: Love & Rockets Book Club on 22 panels.
• 58:50
  Tad Eggleston: We will see you after the next page.