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Is there a future for homebuilding? The Flyer Show September 11 2025 · Flyer Magazine

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  SPEAKER_05: Welcome to the flyer chain.
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_05: My name's Ian Steeger.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm Ed Hicks, and I'm Dave Corduin.
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  SPEAKER_04: Today we'll be discussing whether home building has a future.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_04: We'll be looking at the fuel, first UL fuel to get an ASTM spec.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_02: I've got an update on the Vector Aileron issue.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_05: We'll be talking about the flyer changes coming up.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_02: Plus, there's the first delivery of the Jetson 1 blender.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, aircraft.
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  SPEAKER_05: First of all, a big thanks to our sponsor SkyDemon.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you very much for continued supporting the live stream.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_05: Very much appreciated.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_05: Here is today's tip.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_03: Hi, I'm Tim from Sky Demon.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to this week's top tip.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_03: When you're flying, use the direction indicator at the bottom of the screen to see your current track and the track you need to fly in order to make your next waypoint.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_03: If you like, you can drag out the DI to turn it into a full-on HSI, which you can change the size of using a pinch gesture.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_03: To put it back, just drag it to the bottom of the screen.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: Alternatively, you can tap it once, and this changes it to a course correction indicator, which is very small and simply tells you if you need to turn right or left by a certain amount of degrees.
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  SPEAKER_03: Press it again to turn it back into a DI.
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  SPEAKER_03: For our full user manual, go to skydeman.aro and choose help and support.
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  SPEAKER_05: There you go.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_05: I'd forgotten that if you press the little thing, it goes down to a little smaller thing.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_04: And I bet hardly anyone realizes that you can drag, you can get hold of the DI, drag it out as an HSI.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_04: So uh Wow.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_04: A full-on HSI.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_04: Good little clip.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_04: Right, I think Simon's up next.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_05: Who wants to guess what the weather is?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_05: Um I'm gonna go 100% pants.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_05: About you, Dave.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_05: We don't need to know about your pants.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, no, I think it's gonna be put start of autumn fully.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, let's find out.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: Hi everyone, Simon Keelink here with your flying weather outlook for the weekend and the week ahead, brought to you exclusively by Fly in association with the weather school Dr.co.uk.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks again for watching.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now on Friday we've still got some heavy showers, most again in more western and southern areas, but probably not so widespread as they will be during Thursday.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: We've got marginal to non-verify conditions in those heavy showers in the west.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, some Q names, bases around 2,000 feet, tops at around 20,000 feet.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Further east, generally verifiable, locally non-verifiable in showers, three to four thousand foot bases overall, tops at about 15 to 20,000 feet and fewer showers around.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: Still quite breezy, but sides west leaves ghasting up to 25 to 30 knots, and probably more ghastly than that across western and southern coast, and in heavier showers.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: Now, on to Saturday, another showery day.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: Troughs moving from west to east, and those troughs mean that we get the showers clumped into kind of bands of showers which will move from west to east.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, there will be some fliable conditions, better than the east, but with marginal to non-VFR as those showery bands move through.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: And accumulating with clouds at 2,000 foot bases, again 20 to 25,000 foot top is further east, 3,000 foot bases, toppers at 15 to 20,000 feet.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: But even here, I wouldn't rule out an odd heavy shower and heavy showers again affecting parts of Ireland.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now on Sunday, just look at that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Big storm systems enter the northwest of Ireland front and swooping their way northwards and eastwards because of wind 60 knots and maybe even 70 knots of a western and southern coast, and it could be 40 to 50 knots inland, heavy periods of rain.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna go with a non-Var for that.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: Although the far north of Scotland may be okay first in England, but I think if the showers don't get you, then the winds probably will.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: It actually brightens up in the afternoon from the west.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um and could you get some local flying in behind the coal front?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: Possibly, but it will always be gusty.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: Wind directions are probably about two zero to two, three, zero degrees.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, supposedly depends on the uh direction of your runway really.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: This could be a really windy day.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: So if you've got aircraft outside, either get them hangered or make sure that they really are well fattened down for those winds on Sunday.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I will leave you with that for now.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: Don't forget to get yourself booked onto Aviation Weather School part two if you've already done part one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um you can use the QR code there or get aweatherschool.co.uk.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: That final page could be yours.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then um to be told when the next Aviation Weather School part one dates are, um, just go to the contact form on weatherschool.co.uk and let me know and I'll add you onto that list to be informed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'll leave you with that for now.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you're doing, thanks again for watching.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hold on tight through the weekend, and uh, I'll catch you next week.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: Bye for now.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I hate to say it, but Ed, you were right.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, 100% pans.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_04: Guaranteed.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_04: Time for some news then, Ed.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, it's me first.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_04: And it's the big news that there's a hundred-octane unleaded Avgas with an ASTM spec.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_04: Uh basically that's the American Society for Testing and Materials, ASTM International, and they've approved uh SWIFT fuels 100R unleaded Avgas.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh SWIFT says it's the result of several years of research by their team.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_04: They've been working with the FAA and numerous OEMs, including Lycoming, Continental, RoTAX, Textron, and Piper.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the ASTM production uh specification approval uh helps speed up adoption of 100R unleaded Avgas across international markets.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_04: At the moment, distribution is limited to five flight schools in the US, another flight another five in Europe.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_04: Uh AAG Flight Academy and Gandakesi uhport in Germany is the first flight school uh in Europe to start using Swift's 100R.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and there are EASA and FAA STCs uh to use the fuel in Cessna 172 S and R models.
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  SPEAKER_05: One big thing to take into account in the future when when the world is full of uh competing 100 unleaded fuels uh is that currently the people who are making them currently, so uh Gammy and Swift Fuel and uh Blunder, I think, are also loaded on ASTM as well.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um those fuels can't be mixed.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_05: So if you have a half tank full of one of them, you can't land somewhere and put top off with a half tank of another.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: Last week we quickly mentioned the vector aileron issue.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, this is on the uh Eurostar uh model.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the issue itself is a defective rose joint, part of the aileron controls.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: A service bulletin was issued, um, followed by an emergency mandatory permit directive from the CA that grounded the aircraft until each one was inspected and signed off by a competent person, they say.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_02: We now know that the issue uh appears to be limited to a particular batch from the 2010-2011 period.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: However, the EMPD still applies to all Eurostar models.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh slightly confusingly, the current Eve distributor, Air Masters, has decided to relinquish the role as uh holder of the A8 factory built uh approvals.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um that and uh but however, last week there was a meeting between the CEA, the BMAA, the LAA, and Air Masters, and Airmasters have agreed to see the issue all the way through.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Jolly Good chose them on that.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_05: I think just to be clear, the what they're relinquishing is the A81 approval as it applies to the rector, not to all of the other aircraft.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_05: There's a game of musical chairs been going on in Parliament.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, following the Angela Rayner resignation and the Keir Starmer reshuffle, the aviation minister, who was Mike Kane, MP for a place called Withenshaw, which until then I'd never heard of, to be perfectly honest, um, was was was let go, shall we say, and he's no longer aviation minister.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_05: But right now we don't have a current aviation minister.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_05: There is another Kia, a Keir Mather, who's the MB for Sel MP for Selby in Yorkshire.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_05: He is only 27, and he's been appointed as the undersecretary of state in the DFT, and the rumors are that he'll be the person picking up the aviation portfolio, but that has yet to be confirmed.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_05: It's kind of a critical time for aviation.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_05: Um, the a recent report by Boeing, the Boeing Pilot and Technician Outlook, and another one by CA, a worldwide uh training organization and simulator manufacturer, has kind of said that we kind of need a whole load of extra people.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_05: There's like 300,000 new pilots, 678 cabin crew, 416,000 aircraft maintenance technicians, 71,000 air traffic controllers.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and that's just at Swannik.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_05: No, not really.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_05: Um the Boeing numbers are even higher than that.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_05: You can't directly compare them.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_05: But let's just say that there's a significant need for aviation professionals in the future, um, and we're not currently training enough of them.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_05: And that's kind of an interesting point that links in with something we were reading earlier.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_05: Back in December, I think it was, Sakir Starmer wrote a letter to Rob Bischton, CEO of the CA, saying, what can the CA do to grow the aviation economy in the UK?
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_05: And a couple of months later, maybe in January, uh Rob Bischton wrote back to Sakir Starmer, the letter's on their website, link in the description, um, explaining what the CA could do and how it was empowering drones, etc.
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  SPEAKER_05: There wasn't one mention of general aviation in that letter, which I think is pretty poor form given the fact that we all know everything starts with general aviation, and certainly all of the massive training opportunities start with general aviation.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_05: I guess the one thing he did say, Rob Bischton, which which I fully support, um, was that if if the UK could become closer to IASA in some instances, particularly with professional pilot qualifications, that would be a significant step forward.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: So the next story is about the Jetson 1.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: This is an electric vertical takeoff and landing aircraft and a VTOL.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's got eight electric motors, each powering its own propeller.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: And in the US, no pilot license is required to fly this.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: So the first customer delivery has been in California to a chap called Palmer Lucky, who is a tech entrepreneur.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: He came up with the Oculus Rift uh virtual reality headset, which is credited with saving the virtual reality industry, apparently.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, it took um Palmer roughly 15 minutes to familiarise himself with the controls of the uh Jetson one.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's a fly-by-wire system, so it's it's kind of got a point and go control stick.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh which sounds really pretty exciting.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh afterwards, he got out of it and he said, Um, I was expecting it.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: This shit is kind of cake.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_02: Now is that your best Californian accent?
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_02: I was expecting it.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: This shit is kind of cake.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Was he from Houston?
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, with the help of I don't know what he meant by that, so with the help of ChatGPT, we've translated this as uh I say chaps, absolutely wizard.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um so the Jetson one, it's got a flight time of 20 minutes, it's got a maximum speed of 63 miles an hour for some reason.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's got a max climb rate of 2,000 feet per minute, which uh is extraordinary.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_04: I guess limited top speed is probably to keep it within the um the US Part 103 ultralight regs, isn't it?
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh that's right, yes, of course.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: 55 knots, isn't it?
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_04: Did Jetson have a training program?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_04: Because obviously uh Pivotal with their helix have quite an intense training program before they'll let you take the aeroplane away.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well the thing about the Pivotal Helix is it appears to fly like a falling leaf.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um so it's it's a very strange machine in the way it hold flies.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like you know, with Jets and Mud, at least you can say it's like a a point and go.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go there, I want to go there, I'm gonna go a bit higher.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: So it's fairly straightforward.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I guess for somebody who like Palmer, who's uh used to using a virtual reality headset, it's probably probably quite used to it already.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_05: I think we need to talk a little bit about the flyer changes.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I made an announcement um earlier this week on the Flyer Forum that as of midnight on September the 12th, things are changing.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_05: Over the years, we've all worked extremely hard to produce uh as much great content as we could, be that writing, video, podcast, this this show, all sorts of other bits and pieces that we've done, events.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and that's supported by a large number of members who are currently paying five pounds a month billy bargain, uh, for which they get access to everything, the free landing fees and all sorts of other bits and pieces.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_05: Um there's an awful lot of people who aren't paying because we've been providing basically too much stuff for free.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_05: So from September the 12th at midnight, we'll be locking the site down.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_05: So in order to read the content or the forums or participate in it, you'll need to be a member.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_05: You'll get access to three stories, um, but after that, we're going to ask you to join.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_05: Come join our community, come make it even better than it is already.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, things like the Flyer show.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_05: Um, this will still be open to anybody and everybody who wants to look at it on YouTube.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_05: And the one area of the forum that will remain open to everybody uh will be the student forum, because we all want to encourage as many student pilots as we possibly can.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_05: So thanks very much for the people who sent me a message and said, why don't you do that?
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_05: You know what?
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_05: Thought about it, went, you know what, you're right, we need to do that.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_05: Um if you've got any questions, pop them in the comments and I'll do my best to answer.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_05: If you watch the LAA rally video that we put out a little while ago, you'll see that I spoke to Simon Tilling, uh CEO at the LAA, about the whole home-built market.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_05: And he was saying that the number of projects starting has been declining.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_05: So we wonder whether home building would survive, whether home building's actually got a future.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_05: Ed, you looked at some numbers, I think.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I did.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: Uh obviously I've well they're they're freely available.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um LAA magazine uh publishes new projects every uh every month.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_04: And it makes interesting reading.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_04: So back in 2022, um there were 61 new projects registered.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, more than one a week.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_04: More than one a week.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_04: Uh 2023, that had uh reduced to 36.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh quite a significant change.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_04: 2024 was 22 new projects in a year.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_04: Uh 2025, um so this is up until September, uh, only eight.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's quite a drop.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's uh Yeah.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_04: I was I mean even as someone who's been aware of watching projects registered, when I actually went through and did it year on year, it's like I'm really quite surprised by that today.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_05: And how many of those what what's the split do you know between sort of plans built, which is what I would call hardcore building and kit building.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so in 2022, um of those sixty-one aircraft, thirteen were plans built projects, which I thought was quite a good number.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um 2023, that had dropped to so out of the 36, only three were plans built.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um in 2024, the same number, three plans built.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_04: This year so far, 2025, out of the eight uh up until September, two of those have been plans built.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_04: So actually as a proportion, that's higher.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_04: That's actually higher.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um interest, those the popular plans built types, uh the Steen Skybolt, there's the Peaton pole, still quite a popular choice.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um Taylor Titch, Flitzer, Lynn Williams's Flitzer.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the Falco, uh, which of course the plans for that are freely available.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um and I believe you can still there is someone who bought all the inventory of parts uh from Sequoia aircraft, so that there are parts still available.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_04: And the good old Isaac's Fury.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, uh popular types in the kit building world um across those those years we've looked at.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the Sling TSI, very popular four-seater.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Bristol, that's a perennial favourite.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_04: That's uh 2022 through 2025, that's always featured highly.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um KFA Safari came along in the probably 2020 2020 and was popular for a time.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_04: That was a good low-cost aeroplane.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and all RVs have always were doing well in 2022.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh in RV in 2023, the R V14, Sling TSI, and Bristol, still very popular.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_04: Uh 2024, Sling TSI, R V14, and Bristol again.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_04: 2025, it's only been single numbers on any one any one type.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, you can go, there's only one, you know, maybe being one of each.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: And it's also compounded by the fact that various manufacturers that used to offer kits no longer offer kits.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_05: Recently, I don't know if you saw there was a video that came out by Ryan Johnson at uh Vance.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_05: He was talking about mosaic, which is the new rules coming out in the US.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_05: Now there's a there's a kind of pilot mosaic thing, and that's that's a becoming applicable, I think, almost any day now.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_05: Um and then there's the certification side of things, certification is probably the wrong word, approval, yeah, uh, that's coming out in about a year's time.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_05: And that will have massive differences.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_05: But what it will mean is things like the 51% rule, gone out the window.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_05: Uh manufacturers like Vans, if they want to, can build entire airplanes.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_05: So here you go, fly away.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_05: Give you the key.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_05: Give you the key, give me some money.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_05: Well, you probably have to pay a bit of money first, and you can fly it away.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_05: Or they could also build it if no, I'm not sure any why anyone would do this.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_05: All you've got to do is touch the oil flap and then it's finished.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you could have a 99.9%.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_05: 79% kit.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_05: So I think if if we look back to what would have been popular kits before, um the Evector Eurostar, at one point there was loads of those kits being done.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_05: There's the Eurofox.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, um Sport Cruiser.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_05: The Sport Cruiser.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um TechNam used to have a thriving little kit business.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_05: But all of those manufacturers have kind of really gone, you know what?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not sure there's a I'm not sure there's a business in selling those kits anymore like that.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_05: As mosaics starts to come in, we may well see some kit manufacturers transition to a place where they go, you know what, we can either supply you an almost built thing if you want to sort of go around and polish it a bit, or we can supply you but we're not going to supply any kits anymore.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_05: That I mean, no one's actually said that's what's going to happen, but I it's happened in the past.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_04: I certainly uh on a personal level, I I hear a lot more people talking about the fact that they would they like the idea of building but don't want to get, you know, involved in a massive project and would probably appreciate going somewhere where they would be able to get like builder assist support to help them build.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_04: I think lots of people go, it'll help me make a better product.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you mentioned Bristel earlier as being one of the more popular kits.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: I was talking to Ferry, the UK agent distributor for uh Bristel uh at the LAA rally, and he was saying that he's uh he's gonna be bringing in factory-built aircraft soon.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: And you can see that Bristel is already moving that in that direction.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: I have got an idea for the future of uh home building and uh at the LAA in particular, and that is I'm just looking at a comparison between what's happening in the classic car world, classic motorcycle world, and also kit cars.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the classic car industry is absolutely booming at the moment, it's thriving, and it's moving forward options such as replacing petrol units with electric uh power.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's a real industry producing everything a classic car owner wants.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: The kit car world has changed as well, uh, because they've introduced type approval for kit cars, which was a very good thing.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: And all of the old wacky glass fibre monsters that used to be around in the 70s uh with dubious structural integrity, uh they've kind of disappeared.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: And they've been replaced by much better engineered and also easier to build kits.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: K3M7 is an example there.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: Very popular, very popular car.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: A bit like how some kit plane manufacturers have gone to quick builds, and people like Grupo, for instance, gone to almost ready to fly, as they call it.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's given that we've still got the 51% rule, and we'll have it for the foreseeable future, I imagine.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_05: That kind of almost ready to fly is I'm I'm gonna propose that that's a a marketing line rather than a it really is almost ready to fly.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess we'd have to persuade the CEA to alter that um 51% rule.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_05: That would yeah, that would actually require quite a big change, wouldn't it?
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_05: I guess.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_05: I think, however, with mosaic coming along in the US, there will be people in Europe and the UK looking at it and going, well, let's see what happens.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and that could well become the future.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_05: Who knows?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_04: I guess fundamentally 600 kg is if you look at that, the the read across from the light sport regs is quite quite similar.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_04: I think the I touching on the the classic aeroplane thing, obviously the the big change last year was uh LAA got to um were given the power to move lots of non-part 21 aeroplanes across to permit.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um and I th we were talking about this um before we started recording, uh, in that actually that offers an opportunity.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_04: You can look at a a tired vintage airplane, and that is a you can walk up to that and that can be a complete aeroplane.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's not an intimidating project because it's not a box full of parts, you know everything is there.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_04: You can go, hey, I could take that on, I can get as involved as I want, because you can take it apart, you can do everything yourself, or you can go, I'll farm out the engine to this person or that company, I'll send the fabriking for uh to here.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's almost like that's like a whole different version of home building, but without the the rules and rigors of 51%, and you can do it how you want.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_05: And unless you're gonna unless you're gonna sort of get a Concourse version of a of a really old classic, then it's a it's a shorter timescale project management kind of thing.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_04: The one thing I learned I learnt with the Cub almost by accident is in doing that project over the 18 months is the number of people who went, Oh my god, that's I really want to do something like that because it's not it's far less daunting than thinking about ordering a kit that turns up and you go, Well, I can see recognise some bits that are an airplane, but how this is going to be a whole aeroplane, I don't know.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um So I'd I'd love to think that there's a a future in the whole care and restoration of of you know of of classic aircraft.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, maybe there's there's gonna be more more classic aircraft in people's garages than there there might be kit builds.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_05: So I guess we should have a cracker.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_05: Rounding this up with answering the question does home building have a have a future, and if so, what does that future look like?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um I think there's potentially gonna be more people restoring classics, maybe than building new airplanes.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I think your your personal project, and we're gonna come on to some others, I think, in a in a little while, um they show that restoring restoring aircraft is just as satisfying, if not more satisfying, than building your own.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, uh so obviously the big question this week is what caught your eye?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_05: I've been slowly becoming besotted with the gypsy moth that we saw at the LAA rally.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_05: Not that particular example, but the gypsy moth as a type.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, when when the guy started it, it just sounded amazing.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_05: It looked beautiful.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_05: When I saw it depart, it it it looked, I'm gonna go, three to four times better than a tiger moth.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_05: It just looked absolutely fantastic.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm you know, I could I could imagine a future of aviation with one of those in my in my future some somehow.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, that that's genuinely something I wouldn't have expected to hear you say.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_05: I mean I wouldn't, I wouldn't I I love the long distance touring and stuff like that, and that wouldn't be part of that, I don't think, even though it's clearly possible.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_05: Um but but I yeah, no, just a a beautiful evocative, evocative aircraft.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_05: Um and the other thing, it kind of reminded me of there were there was some if if you actually look into it, some amazing flights that were taken.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_05: So Francis Chichester, he beat the time record of going London to Australia, um, nine days and twenty-one hours, which is just astounding.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_05: That was in 1930, so that's 10,000, 10,000 miles uh solo navigating by dead.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_05: He didn't even have a GPS, he didn't even have Sky Demon.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_05: I mean that's gotta be something.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_05: And then the year after he tried the trans trans-Tusman Solo flights between Australia and and New Zealand, which is a real kind of shocker, and he went via Norfolk Island, Lord Howe Island, onto Auckland.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_05: He kind of did this displaced navigation where he knew he needs to find this island, but this island is a tiny, tiny island in the middle of nowhere.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but it had his fuel on it, so it was kind of quite urgent to get there.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um and you kind of fly deliberately off course so that you know it will be definitely to your right or to your left, depending on which way you go.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_05: And then when you get to a defined point down course, which he was calculated by various sort of sun shots, and then you knew that it was over that way uh a certain distance, and you set and he found it.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_05: It's just an absolute brilliant, brilliant achievement.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_05: I think I don't he didn't have an autopilot.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I know I'm saying that jokingly, but I mean that's like hard sums while you're flying.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_04: So you're definitely definitely fancying the idea of a uh of a gypsy moth bimbling aeroplane in your fancy hanger, are you?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I I I not in my fancy hanger.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_05: I don't actually quite like my actual hangar at some point.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_05: Not not now.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not ready just now.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_05: Um and I think one of those would deserve like possibly one of the world's most beautiful hangers.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_05: Um shiny floors, insulated, lovely loveliness.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_04: I think I'm definitely with you.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_04: There's something about because they're they're obviously they're the straight-winged moth, and I think that upright engine with the beautiful long exhaust going down the fuselage, there's just something really charismatic about them.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_05: Just the look of it, it just looks beautiful.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's and it's rare to that you you just don't see many moths at the LA Rally.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_04: So it was really lovely to see one at this year's event.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_04: Dave, what did you have?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I've got a fabulous thing as well that caught my eye.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: And it's uh it's a an Aronka 100, or some some people call it the C3.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's been restored by a mate of flyers, actually, Miles McCullum.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um Miles is a licensed aircraft engineer uh restorer, based in Somerset.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: He's he's worked on some of the most beautiful aircraft available in the UK today.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and uh his aircraft have won prizes and things like that.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: Uh personally, I've known him for yeah, nearly 50 years.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, he's been restored, in between customer projects, he's been restoring for himself and and a partner uh the Aronka.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, strictly speaking, the name Flying Bathtub applies to the previous version, the C2, but you can see how it got its name.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: It it is literally something you kind of sink into.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um but and it's it's probably not going to be one I'm gonna put in my fancy hanger, but this is gonna be the aircraft that gets Miles back to flying.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: He's had a bit of a break.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, he's been patiently rebuilding the airframe and the mechanical component components from pretty much a total basket case of bits.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: And um, but as with everything Miles does, and he's been sharing pictures on Facebook and things like that, the finish is immaculate and accurate.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, but he's he's currently in the process of tensioning every single flying wire to make sure it's the right tension, but also doesn't alter the geometry of the aircraft in any way.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_04: And he's very much about authenticity as well, isn't he?
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_04: And this is not something that's super shiny.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_04: This is looks just like it was made in the era of its original manufacturer.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it looks even better than than original, to be honest.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: He's gonna he's given it such a wonderful paint job.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and uh it's it's in the final assembly process.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's moved out of his workshop to the hangar.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: Into the hangar.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um and he's talking about possible first flight, since restoration that is, um, this year.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: But as we all know, that that kind of date does get pushed.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_04: And people can go, what Thursday?
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_04: And this is the Ronka with the um the horizontally opposed two-cylinder jap, isn't it?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: He he he restores the Jap engine himself as well.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: So he's yeah, he's an absolute master of engineering when it comes to real.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: So that's it.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's my choice.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: What about you, Ed?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh well, uh, I was reminded of a flight test that you and I did uh back in 2015.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_04: Uh someone sent me uh uh an advert for a swearing-in SX300.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_04: I went, Oh my god, have you seen this?
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, oh well, better than I great, I see your advert, but it's like I can t talk about the time that that uh we rounded up a whole bunch of SXs and and went and did a flight test.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_04: And I think I'd it was not long after I'd started as the editor of Flyer, and I think I'd said to you, hey, we're you it was on one of our trips to Florida, and it's like I think we'd gone to see a whole bunch of plastic aeroplanes at Seabring, you know, all the the usual round of of LSAs.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like, Ian, I'm I'm gonna put you in an SX300, and you're like, what, is this another LSA type?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, no, it couldn't be more different.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_04: Because the SX 300, um uh it was the product of um Sweringen, and um it was it was probably it was a great home built, but it was clearly a home built for people.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it it it kind of kind of missed the market in terms of being incredibly complex.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um uh it was launched in 1983 uh and it was a tiny airframe, big engine, and w and was all about speed.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um 24 foot span, uh wing area of 70 square feet, as you pointed out in your flight test at the time.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_04: The Eurostar, 26-foot span, uh wing area of 106 square feet.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um obviously fast aviation means low dragon.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_04: They swearing and had an engine, uh at least minimum size engine of 300 horsepower.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um it was an absolute beast.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um stall speed, I think 75 knots, um, so approach was was fast.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um and we were lucky to find uh there was a community of people, weren't there, at Spruce Green where it would appear uh there was a whole bunch of expertise in keeping the SX 300s going, because they're really complex.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_04: They have an undercarriage that is nitrogen-filled and very sophisticated.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_04: The wing is so thin that you can't retract the gear into it.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_04: It has this very weird, droopy undercarriage that retracts back a bit like a 210 and goes in and there's doors that clean it all up.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's like it's on a little tripod of gear.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_05: You wouldn't want to land with any drift on from the start.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_04: No, and I think they were s um uh one of the one of the guys there was saying it's because it's like you have to keep them nitrogen filled to perfection, otherwise the aeroplane develops a bit of a lean, doesn't it?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: So when you say it's nitrogen filled, what about the undercarriage is nitrogen filled?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_04: Oh it's um I think an element of the damping.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_04: Oh right.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_04: So um uh and it was it it was just it was a real rarity at the time.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_04: It still is a rarity, and to go to Spruce Creek and see a hole, there must have been easily half a dozen base there.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_04: And I think on the instance we went flying, we had three in formation.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um I was in a fourth one to take the photos because they're so blinking fast that you need a really fast plant.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_04: You can't shoot it from a 172.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_04: And it was 240 knot cruise, two and a half thousand feet per minute rate of climb.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um and it's uh d one of the best lines I I reread the article.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_04: You said I reckon the starter motor on the IO580, which was in the engine in the one you flew, generates more power than Rotex 912.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_04: Probably.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_04: Probably.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_05: I I remember I remember getting in and just sitting and looking at the wings and thinking Oh, this is gonna be spicy if it all goes quiet.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I think I'm gonna land there.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I think the guy you flew with was a guy called Mike, and he had um he had one that Swearingham built as a demonstrator, wasn't it?
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_04: It was November 350 golf, which the rumour was it took it cost 350 grand to build the demonstrator.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not surprised.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_04: He'd flown his a lot and he'd had an engine failure, hadn't he?
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_04: And I think it was pretty much engine stops, you're going to straight down.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_05: It is it's an overused word, but it is a thoroughbred in terms.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, that thing shifts.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if you remember, but we met them all, I think, one day for breakfast at the end.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_05: There are beach, yeah.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_05: And kind of we took off about like three days before in the 172 and made our way there.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_05: They went, we'll just leave oh right, you're here already.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_05: And I can imagine the controllers at Vero must have thought, he's yeah, flight flight of three coming in at 240 knots or something like that.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_05: And the and the school traffic from flight safety and everybody else at Vero must have gone Yeah.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_05: It was it was I mean things happen quite quickly at those speeds.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I knew it used to be well ahead.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_04: Numbers, you you said um it's uh from the article it says joining downwind, uh target airspeed was 140 knots.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um on final I slowed to a hundred knots, short final it was down to ninety knots.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't know what the best technique is, but for my first landing it was a long runway and I flew the airplane on with a bit of power and remaining right until touchdown.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_05: I did I mean because that undercarriage just it just looks like it deserves as much respect as everything else about that aircraft.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_04: And of course the weird thing was we learnt that um they built however many kits it was, but actually the limiting factor was they didn't make enough whoever was in charge of undercarriage, they didn't make enough undercarriages for all the kits.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_05: So how much was this how much was this for sale for?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_04: Uh there was one, as there's since been another one appeared on the market.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh one was on trade apart was one was on balance almost for$179,000, which is bonkers for what it is.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_04: There's another one just gone on for$250, I think.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh one is quite reasonably priced, one is probably more realistically priced.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_04: For the airplane that it is, that's a that's that's a lot of airplane for that much money.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_05: But it's it's an aeroplane that you need to operate with huge respect.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_04: And so yeah, for so for me it was fun to be reminded of that.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_04: Because it was I think that is I think up there with the Lockheed 12 when we flew that, the swearing-in experience was amazing.
• 34:11
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• 34:30
  SPEAKER_04: Dave?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, yeah.
• 34:31
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• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um what have we got now?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: Events?
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: We've got to talk about events, yeah.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so it's a busy Saturday, actually, this week.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Charity Barbecue flying at Deanland in East Sussex.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: The Bolthead Brew flying um has been cancelled.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: That was uh I don't know why it's been cancelled, but it has.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: The end of summer flying in uh at Newtonards uh is on.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: The Scottish Aero Club are trying to hold their annual flying.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yes again, they've put this put again Saturday.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the Friends of Barton flying is at Manchester, uh, Sutton Meadows flying, that's mainly for microlites at Cambridgeshire.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: There's something called the buys and tries flying at Shobden.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds interesting.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: What it's biplanes and triplanes.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, I thought it was like I want to buy something so I can have a try.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_05: That's what I thought.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_04: I can't imagine many triplanes turning out.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_05: I can think of one.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: There's also something called the open day at Hamilton Farm Airfield in Kent.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'd never heard of Hamilton Farm before.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: So I went and looked it up and it's got a lovely tea room, apparently.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_04: That's something you don't often hear.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's uh so Hamilton Farm Airfield looks very nice, got a lovely tea room.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um over the over the weekend, Saturday and Sunday, there's the Victory Festival and air show at Solent Airport.
• 36:09
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