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'The Real Housewives of Potomac' Season 10 End-of-Season Deep Dive with Kendrick Tucker · Gabbing with Gib

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Gathering with Gibb.
• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Gibson Johns, and today on the show we're looking back at Season 10 of the Real Housewives of Potomac, which really had it all.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: A big promising cast full of OGs and vets and new additions and returning stars and rising stars.
• 0:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It had humor, it had an instantly iconic cast trip to Colorado.
• 0:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe for all the raw reasons, but still iconic on the list, lots of drama, both serious and completely on the serious.
• 0:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just how I like it, we had a prison release and an arrest, I mean.
• 0:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember a housewife season that has had so much to offer in recent years.
• 0:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it really, it really was kind of the moment for me and tell me break it all down, because it's a lot.
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have the host of the I cannot podcast, Kendrick Tucker.
• 0:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We had a really fantastic conversation.
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: We went in depth about the season and the state of the cast and the state of the show.
• 1:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: The turnaround that the show has done over the past two years.
• 1:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think is really remarkable.
• 1:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, season eight was really a low point and one of the worst housewife seasons that I can remember in recent memory, so I think that everyone involved should be really proud of that.
• 1:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's also funny because all of a sudden, there's just one housewife franchise on right now, Beverly Hills, and it's in the back half of its season.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: We do have Rhode Island and Atlanta coming in April, but right now, probably feels all of a sudden really dominated by the younger shows, southern charm,
• 1:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: which of course you know I love as well, but it's just funny how we kind of go through these these sort of broader seasons on housewives.
• 1:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we just had three on and now we just have one.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And also I do know that you know on Gabby with Gabe I've been doing a lot more interviews lately and we've been putting out more episodes than usual.
• 1:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's just because you know there are
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: a lot more inbound opportunities come my way and I'd be remiss if I turn those down.
• 2:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I do want to say yes to interviews when I get the opportunity to do them.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there are a couple more extra episodes coming out next week and probably the week after.
• 2:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I hope to streamline that a bit more in the coming weeks.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, I am going to make sure that we always still have these longer discussion episodes for you to balance it all out because I do know that these are the most popular episodes.
• 2:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: chat episode about the latest from summer house southern charms of the hospitality Beverly Hills on Tuesday there's on Monday we'll have an interview episode with Kristen Kish, the host of top chef to honor top chef premiere day
• 2:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And also hot tip, the first episode of this season of Top Chef, Caroline has actually already available to watch on P Cox.
• 2:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you are looking for something to watch this weekend, and you want to get ahead start in the season, it's up there on P Cox right now.
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I chatted with her actually in person, which was exciting to do about Top Chef and the traders, and I'll put that out on Monday, and then again, summer house, Southern charm, et cetera, on Tuesday.
• 3:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then lastly, I also know we're overdue for a male bag episode.
• 3:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I promised one.
• 3:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like a month ago, and then, you know, it's just like the, when we're in season with the traders, it just, it feels like this, like, it just takes up so much oxygen in the room.
• 3:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So now that that I'm actually kind of glad this season's over, so I can sort of refocus and I promise I promise I promise we will be doing it, it may all back up so in the next week or two.
• 3:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So look out for a prompt on the gaping with Gid, Instagram account if you want to submit questions.
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: If there's a few topics or shows that I have not addressed, that you are wondering about my feelings on, etc.
• 3:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is where you can drop those.
• 3:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But for now, keep listening for my end of season deep dive for season 10 and the real housewives of Potomac with Kendrick Tucker.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Check out his podcast.
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• 3:51
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• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want a gab.
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, today we're gabbing with Kendrick Tucker, host of the Eye Cannot Podcast.
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It has been a minute, but Kendrick is a return guest to the show.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been on a couple times before, and he's back to tell me, do these season 10 end of season deep dive for The Real Housewives of Potomac.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kendrick, how are you?
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm better now than I'm here.
• 4:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could talk about Potomac all day long.
• 4:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you know some my girls like Salt Lake City Potomac Atlanta I can talk about them just all day.
• 4:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm here.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got my talking boots on my like my degree in Yappin.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready to go Well, I was thinking about it because I was like so we did it.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: We did an end-to-season deep dive for season two of it.
• 4:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: You buy as you just mentioned.
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but
• 4:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that you're before that, you did the end of season deep out of Potomac with me, and that year, so you had like taken a vow of silence against that season.
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You were like, I'm not watching, and then I asked you to do this, or you said, I'm not talking about it, and I said, can you do this, and you broke your silence for me.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I, I don't appreciate that.
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, yes, I'm to I just cannot shut up about Potomac.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is.
• 5:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just I love those girls They just they give us what we need.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I almost I've scratch Colorado off my bucket list, but I still I love those girls.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love everything.
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: They give me the shade is effortless the The crumbs are a plenty like they're giving me a lot, okay, so they're giving a lot and I think that like you know
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Two seasons ago what I just mentioned like the show was in such a different state like it was such a It was not in a good spot and you know, there there are of course portions of the show right now that are in difficult positions Like ultimately the show itself Has it felt this kind of like this much part of the exact guys and like part of the conversation and talked about I think in a very long time and so like
• 6:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel good about that aspect of where Potomac is right now.
• 6:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel the same way.
• 6:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Season 8 was a rough one.
• 6:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was the the necker versus windy off-standard versus yeah, it was all all just bad.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had to even tap it out.
• 6:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 6:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm not
• 6:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of reserve my tapping out for like extreme because you know with these podcasts we have to talk about it.
• 6:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we've got to do it.
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I I reserve my tapping out for like truly kind of protecting my piece and the online chatter around it back then compared to like what it is right now entirely different and I like getting on three as maybe three as it's a difference because I like getting on three as it's actually talking about it with people and laughing because everyone
• 7:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's too dark.
• 7:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's too dark.
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 7:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like y'all don't know dark.
• 7:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like what?
• 7:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: What are we talking about?
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's so dark this season.
• 7:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand.
• 7:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: me neither and I've never wheeled so we have great spot to be in great yeah I agree so you know you mentioned the reunion I kind of want to start there because that is obviously where we ended up like you clearly have thoughts on how it went like what were you're overall and we'll get in we'll go woman by woman basically the cast but like overall thoughts on the reunion after the season
• 7:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love part one.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought part one was great.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 7:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought we're going to kind of go on down to trajectory loved part of part two.
• 7:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then I started to really really really struggle on part three because part three it felt like a hatchet job.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could felt like editors kind of were scrambling like I don't know what was going on behind the scenes.
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: But for us to
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: a four episode vacation that we talk about for four or five minutes and it was like one of the highlights of the season to me because I I laughed so hard throughout every single episode like I mean I mean I hate that people are being tortured but if you're going to be tortured do it for TV and a paycheck I mean so I
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like being there.
• 8:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I loved watching.
• 8:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had no qualms with it.
• 8:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was there.
• 8:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it felt like we had to rush past and kind of skirt past a lot of that because they were like, okay, even though we just did this 101 with Karen that was our season finale and she wasn't on the season.
• 8:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that felt weird to me already, given her the season finale spot.
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: We now have not only kind of
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: kind of took the the air out of the room because now that's the soul focused and we're kind of shifting the conversation and caring not it's not only that but it's also like I don't know if Bravo like it kind of feels like Bravo is
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like testing to see how the fans are going to react to Karen, not that they're not going to walk them back like everyone's you know like come back like whatever, but it feels like Karen still has an issue taken accountability.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Karen still can't say the words alcoholic or alcoholism.
• 9:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: She can't say either one of those and she's trying to still start around and kind of have her own I guess her own
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: me watching that.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It almost looks like she's kind of not only putting herself on a petal, so especially with that whole, well, you know, I retired the law, they'll call me the grind dumb.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So the grind dumb is what I'll be and I was like, oh, no.
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wrong road.
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought we were, I think people were expecting her to come out a little more humble and to, you know, actually not a tone for a sense, I said, but acknowledge at least that someone could have really gotten hurt.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: You shouldn't drink and drive and these kind of things and then
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: fit back into the group somehow, but us kind of getting a new version of Karen, but it kind of seems like no we've gotten a version that's just like the old one but now it's the one that is kind of placing herself and is being placed on a pedestal to like preach at the other women about life and I'm like this is a weird really weird choice and for us to skirt past a ton of the season because if I remember correctly, there was a lot even in the reunion trailer we didn't get to see
• 10:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.
• 10:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I felt it was because we had to focus on like this big chunk of stuff now, and I'm like, I the same and listen, like I'm not I'm never really an advocate for four part reunion, but it almost felt like, you know, if they wanted to give that airtime over to the current situation, it's kind of felt inevitable to me and also the Wendy stuff, like that should have
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're right, that's so much got left on the cutting room floor, like the Colorado trip being three minutes is just a crime because that couldn't be a 10 minute like moment on the reunion where we're all laughing our ass is off and kind of looking back at the funniest moments and it really felt like it was totally skip through and yeah.
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Especially when you have Mauricio there like you've got to know the show like I also I'm like it almost felt like the Wendy stuff and the Karen stuff was also kind of like
• 11:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: not have asked, but like not totally complete because they go with how to exist in that third part.
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It has a monumental task to try to like tackle everything they had to tackle, but it just, it did feel like rushed and like it can have enough, you know, runway to like explore that stuff.
• 11:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then it makes like going into the next season, like,
• 11:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: a little unclear about like how we're supposed to feel about certain people and maybe that's the point.
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I agree with you.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even if like we didn't want to do a four part, we have done those like cases in the past.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it can land us down to a couple of times, maybe Beverly Hills, where you get the like the first two parts are normal reunions, but then in last one is like an hour 15, like the super signs up so even that would have let all the stuff breathe a little more, but you're right, it just kind of felt
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: tight and compact being because we didn't get the the tea of crying stuff.
• 12:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know what she was crying about.
• 12:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing her dad They made things like marriage, but yeah, like a lot of them was just like left out.
• 12:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't touch on Colorado nearly as much and and honestly This is a person of thing that I wanted
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I kind of wanted more of Angel like getting her lick back like I wanted it feel like she finally was ready to play the game and like ready to be a housewife and I like this turn for her like part one she really kind of showed up and I like seeing that because I think Ashley thought she was going to be a punching bag for But she was like no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm ready to play now and I was hoping we've still a little bit more of that more of that Yeah, no, I think the situation would have been would have been an opportunity for that.
• 12:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, and I also thought that like the
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: the pick-up scene with Eddie and Wendy was bizarre, but then we also kind of bought this like flash of more pick-up footage with Ashley, Jiselle and Kiana that we hadn't seen anywhere else.
• 13:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like they clearly had, I know they did filming.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know they filmed stuff after that.
• 13:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I signed the right to my interview with Wendy to be shown on the show and that never got shown.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so literally there was more plan for like what this Wendy follow up.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: could look like, and that also felt really kind of like, disjointed and weird to me.
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I agree, that that third part, like, didn't, it missed the mark, I would say.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because they, if I'm not mistaken, they filmed it asli's like, Roberto Fleck, you mean, right?
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, one thing like the next day after all it happened to me.
• 13:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know that was on, that was like the Friday, it came, the news came out Friday morning.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was Friday night.
• 13:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, like, what exact days they filmed, but I know that that film was happening that weekend.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: right and so yeah I need to see you give me a I mean listen y'all have got the platform whatever you want to put on peacock I will watch I will consume all things this is my plea to Andy it's a question all right so let's let's go woman by women so we'll get more into this stuff let's start with our friends of jazzy and monique okay and we have a big kind of thing about
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: At a certain point, kind of thought would never happen.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of thought Monique was genuinely done with this show, the way that she was talking about it, felt like she was on just like a different journey in life.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: We knew that her Chris had gotten divorced.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Would you consider the return of Monique Samuels to Potomac success?
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'll say this.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: She managed to do something that I never thought she would and that was making me see her and kind of a different light now because I've always seen Monique as the, I want to promote these businesses on here.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to put across and have a perfect marriage.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to kind of like she kind of wants to very much convey a certain image to all of us.
• 14:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know when you really watch reality TV, they kind of stuff you pick up on super easily.
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm someone, uh, especially around that time.
• 15:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was really into the own network shows too, so like I was already watching like the love and marriages and bail collective like auto shows.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so heard coming over there, I was already going to watch anyway.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: So watching her on there, I was like,
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: it was a very bad look like it was very bad like Chris like almost came across as a saint compared to Monique on this show and almost like yikes like it was bad.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that must have been just like the the dire days of their marriage, like trying to say something.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't watch it, but it was bad because in it, this exact is like what it was because it was it was like him.
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: like now like trying his best I feel and she was kind of at that point of like I don't care anymore like this is just and which is like honestly fair but it comes across on TV very badly with all the stokers out of context people who didn't watch Potomac they're like watching treat them so you know it's that kind of thing so it was just all bad for her but she managed to change my mind a lot because I was like oh it feels like we're actually trying to get a new monique one that actually wants to
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: like build other relationships with these women especially trying to build so much jail like I've never thought I'd see that happen.
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Both of them coming in with this.
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind being your friend thing.
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Very shocking.
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: The evident at the reunion
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: finding out that it's failed very flat in her coming the next day and being like oh by the way, it's been weeks later, Stacey's actually vindicated.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like what is happening?
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like what?
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was odd.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Very odd.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like I don't know.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: For me, Monique kind of wound up being like a not a bad, not a negative kind of a wash to season for me.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, I, I have a slightly different perspective on.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was, I really like Monique back in the day.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think now seeing her return, it puts all the things in perspective, like how she was with her marriage in particular.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that will make sense to me.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that like some of the healing, the healing journey, stuff, and some of the slight revisionist history when it comes to the gizell and Monique, like food, didn't totally land for me, but I also did buy.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: that she has better perspective on everything.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, like, I wish that we had seen way more of that conversation with her in Brazil when they sat down for lunch.
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was like a parent, like, on the hours long lunch and we saw like five minutes of it.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that always is the case with housewives, but it's kind of how I felt with the Wendy and Giselle sit down for last season where it's like, it's like, I feel, I just wish we had seen way more because they said they talked about everything.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that would have like maybe made their reconciliation,
• 17:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: What if he went down easier and we don't know more authentic and I and I do think that with just hell Which is zeal and Monique.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's probably a case kind of of like The devil you know is better than the devil that you don't and like I think that was Monique one of the things I did like about her being around is that like
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: She does feel familiar and she does feel like a connection back to like the original run of the show.
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think when the show was like trying to get back on great footing, which it did this season, started to last season.
• 18:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Monique being there in a
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: way helped that feeling.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't because of her, but like, it's sort of like when they bring back a Cynthia to Atlanta or they've tried other more vet people bringing back them as friends, which didn't always succeed.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like, you know, it does give you that feeling as a viewer of like, oh, like, this is the same group.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like, we might have a lot of new faces around, but like, Monique's still around.
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's, there's a lot of history to go through.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I appreciated that element of her being back on the show this season.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I totally agree with that because I'm I'm someone like for me and I noticed kind of a controversial thing amongst like house wise watchers, yeah, but for me like I don't need someone to have been on like the first season for me to consider them like an OG of the show because I'm I'm someone like if you were in the fabric of this like if you're in the early days and you're in like a like candy is an OG of Atlanta like we all like not like exactly Sony has no G ever ever own it is yeah, we like those are the girls like we acknowledge them so
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Monique being back.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love I love an OG.
• 19:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like that's one of my toxic traits I love someone that was like around the first go round coming back.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm always gonna be okay with that So I do love she did feel familiar and she got to a spot with me Where I was like you know what I don't mind you being here because I was I was one like season five Just like ruined a laughing me too.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were kind of two spots in baton and history because like it led up to five We're like three in season three and four.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're some of the best housewives viewings
• 19:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: kind of of, oh, yes, like everything going across.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Five was kind of a big breaking point.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then six was interesting, because that's when like Mia came and like all the windy changes, like all this stuff, it got a little interesting.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then eight, it got weird again.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so this season felt, even though we had like a lot of new people around, it felt very comforting for some reason.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm glad they're back to being like appointment comfort viewing for me.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then yeah, you mentioned she did walk back
• 20:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: quote unquote bombshell from the reunion, the recording was her kid essentially saying like asking her who Stacey was, which meant the Chris had been talking about her, but then she came out the next day saying she's cleared Stacey's name and this whole thing, which makes you think that like the kid over her Chris talking to like cookie or somebody like that talking about Stacey?
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, not, and not, um,
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm a reality TV conspiracy theorist.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, what is that?
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was wondering about this.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's my thoughts went two different directions.
• 20:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, well, does she know this Stacy person or he or she would not know what shot it was?
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do they know this Stacy person because he's been talking to her on the phone or talking to a cookie and they're like spilling all kinds of information.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or is she like, okay,
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stacey's a good bet on his shell like that's a good horse to like hit your wagon to on his show right now everyone loves her Maybe I don't want to be on her bad side so let me just kind of throw that out there people think I'm dragging it He's not my husband anymore.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me kind of go this direction to pivot so that I can maybe stick around a little bit too
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think all in all, I'm glad Moneklee were her name.
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think she easily could have led it faster in the next season when Phil makes it and I think it's great that she didn't do that.
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, all right, let's talk about Jazzy, she's the other friend of, she got Mary's this season, her wedding was
• 21:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, barely a clip on the radar, unfortunately for her.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a whole thing about like, Stacy only flying there because the other women were gonna fly there.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, she had some moments where I was like, okay, like you have some good potential, like you can gel well here.
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then there were some moments where I was just like, Jazzy, you're just doing too much.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just, sometimes it really reads in authentic with her.
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think more so than maybe,
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: anybody else just feels really put on like when she came after Tia I thought that comes to mind I was like that was just out of nowhere Look every time I yeah, what are your thoughts on Jazzy and what we saw from her this season you said a mouthful like I'm literally how you feel how I feel because yeah, I
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: jazzy was such an I like she's wondering I want to like so bad like I want to I want to love her around exactly like you're the you're the you're the wag that you know you're being a wag is very important to y'all and the why but it's very important to them on this show you're an actual wag you know you
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: the dressing, I don't, I'm not too sure because some of those confessional were, you know, a little bit of a double table, I'll be like, yeah, I didn't, you know who, but, so she was one, like, I would say to Stacy, you know, I'm wondering people like, I don't mind saying Stacy lies about a lot of stuff because I still know I can like Stacy, like I can like Stacy and notice she lies about certain things, but I'm, I was so team Stacy when she was like, I don't wanna fly to your wedding if I'm not gonna know anybody else.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm fully too easy on that, but jazzy is one, I don't know, like, I think it's the beef with tea.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like this imaginary kind of, it's felt like she was like, okay, number one, I should have had to respond because I'm the one that had, let's just went and going on.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the one that's like great on paper.
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've already built relationship with these women, that should have been my spot.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also, but like, too, I'm going to come after you
• 23:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: As a newbie you're the low hanging fruit like I don't want to go out to Jazeal I don't know how that's gonna go for me.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to go out to windy because there are her four degree mouths might If this were me to a place that I don't want to go I got them going to go to stay see this fan favorite so it felt like she was constantly attacking like the lower hanging fruit and it's like If it's natural like okay, but everything she does is kind of clockable and I Not a good not a good situation jazzy
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like even just from the moment she sort of came in at the Derby lunch and also her in Stacey's lunch at the beginning of the season where they were sort of like clearly aligned I would say yes.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it It's not that I never see it for Jazzy.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just that it it's hard when you've kind of put this taste in our mouth that
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: you're being an authentic and trying to like sort of climb on to the show.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be like pissed off if she was back, but I also like she's had some chances and I'm not sure she's she's delivered on them.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So the exactly if you didn't if I started watching Nick season and somehow she wasn't around I probably wouldn't know exactly.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: You brought up Tia.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's one of our two newbies Tia and Angel.
• 24:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought Tia was fantastic.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just sort of like kind of across the board really solid like not on a housewife who's And maybe she could be surprised me, but not a housewife who's ever going to probably be like The center of everything and it just looks just that personality, but she's very likable.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: They all seem to enjoy her for the most part.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: She brings with this even just the accent.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: She brings this sort of like regal
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: But she has an interesting backstory, a cute family, and we got some personal story from her with her, you know, reconnecting with her half-sister and her father, and, you know, she viewed it with Jazzy, she viewed it with Stacey.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think she had a pretty solid debut season as a housewife.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am so into to you.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm to you is like I was kind of obsessed from the word go one of my toxic traits is I love a black person with a British accent.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I love it and so I think I felt like I have been wanting like my own
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like the people have the Lisa Vanderpump people have their Caroline standberry.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've wanted somebody.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted somebody You want the last Lisa Vanderpump.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and now I've got you.
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, you know what here we go.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I
• 25:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love everything, Tia gave.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tia is what I call like the perfect fit for an ensemble.
• 26:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like we have our force multipliers.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've got our girls that are gonna do way too much and put on for the camera.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've got the girls that might not do enough.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then we've got the ones that do like they kind of perfect balance.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like when they need to show up, they're gonna show up.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: When they need to shade, they're gonna shade, they're gonna give us the cute family moments and stuff like that.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's just what I feel like it's a good fit for an ensemble.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about necessarily like a spin-off, but like I feel like when you get truly like 67 people that fit into an ensemble whale, that's when you've got a good show and she gives me that.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I like having her around.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want her back next season and her and Jazzy at this reunion because it could have been like
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: a band scenario, but when she told her like you had one job this season, that was to be a friend of And you didn't do it way all man.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh man.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just subtle classy shade like that that I love.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, woo That's it She's wet and she's smart and she can she she's good and I think that we could see more of that and I also did like I think they're her in stasis feud
• 27:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think there's something about it that feels good and right and not that's it's so good for me.
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly, but like they kind of get on to each other's skin and I like watching it, you know, I do too.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm I'm very much into it and my I've been saying Since part one of the reunion I've been calling things my nap wig for this entire time.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: our other newbie Kendrick.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so Angel Angel Angel of mine.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I thought that Angel, you know, the first couple of episodes, like we have TIA and Angel are two newbies and Angel was having some pretty good little shady confessional moments and she had this great family and she's a wag and a big house and I was encouraged by her.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then it really took a dip for her.
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: We had the, you know, K. Chin Shakter.
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they were really loyal to each other throughout the rest of the season.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that first trend was really rough for Angel.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: We had the cat fish of it all.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: We had questioning her marriage and Bobby sort of temperament we had.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: questioning where she lived and her business as a result of the Colorado trip and the Colorado trip itself and a lot went wrong for Angel and she really took a abuding metaphorically speaking from a lot of the cast.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this season.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess where did it land for you?
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And what were you on sort of the roller coaster with it?
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Angel is obviously I think the big
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: kind of question mark for a lot of us because I'm somebody and I've been preaching for it so long about housewives in particular.
• 29:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I truly do think there are housewives that we know for a fact we're like, ah, ah, get out of here.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You've had your one season.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: We never need to you again.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Before the average housewife, I actually do think you always need to give them two seasons to truly get their footing.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Angel feels like that to me because
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: This first season, I think she made some kind of glaring mistakes, one of which was overly hitching her wagon to Kiana, not necessarily because like Kiana isn't like, because Kiana will deliver when she needs to deliver to like, she helped carry the first half of the season.
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm I'm very into Kiana too, but
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: It comes across as number one.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I fully expect it hurt because you know our favorite housewives true.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: You bring somebody on this show when y'all are fighting by episode three.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that did not happen.
• 29:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: They started fighting, didn't they?
• 29:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: She made it a point to be like, you know what, no, I want to be on your side.
• 29:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's make up immediately.
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll get over it.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I almost wish they would have like let that ride a little bit and not because now it just kind of looks like you're wanting to follow and Right and the thing is Kiana is still too new to to be following behind her as a housewife.
• 30:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Kiana is still looking for her footing of the housewife.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that Angel really needs to like spread her wings in this group.
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if like Wendy will truly extend an olive branch to her, but if she does, I think Wendy will be a good one to foster relationship with.
• 30:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think Ashley will be a great one for her to be with all season.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that will be a great dynamic because I think
• 30:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: she comes alive a little bit when she gets to like go back and forth with, especially when she gets to like compare because Ashley wants to do this thing when she's trying to like to shade somebody who's about to like turn a house inside out in the actual Potomac area when Michael like put you that like that's crazy.
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And y'all know I love all the women.
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like I'm not somebody that's like online constantly like hating Ashley or anything.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: But like at this reunion, it came across a little goofy from Ashley trying to like,
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: shade Bobby and Angel for like, well, is it as many acres is color wrong?
• 31:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's not that's not the right.
• 31:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's not the right.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's not the right.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, silly.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Give way in.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong,
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what I turned immediately when they got off that plane to go to Colorado and they showed Angel looking down and then she looked up with the cowboy hat.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, I think she's trying to lean in right now and then she got to the house and she gave them those twin beds.
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the twin bed was the moment for me.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought we were like, okay, you are finally understanding and you would need to fight fire with fire and actually even though Dezele and Ashley in that moment pretended that like that angel had no reason to be shading them and chatting them on the beds.
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: that's actually what they usually respect at a people which is like to see it hit back to them they they enjoy the the following back and forth usually and so i think angel finally recognized that there yes i think the hard part with angel for me was like she really did diggers off into such a hole that he was like
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: by the time these moments came about for me it was arguably too little too late.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not, it's not that I wouldn't be curious about the second season for it.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not some like, okay, she needs to be fired after her first season, kind of person.
• 32:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just like,
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: there was something about sort of the online sentiment around her that felt like a little bit un-earned.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess that's what happens when it feels like somebody is very I, is, is, uh, ganged up on quote-unquote, you know, yes, yes, yes, but she just like never did herself any favors.
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like she had these moments to like, to help herself as she gets couldn't.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yep, I do think that some of the women genuinely believe that she doesn't really want to be friends with any of them.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she kind of set as much a couple times.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's
• 33:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I mean, again, I think that there is, there is some potential in there, but she, it was hard to see it there very long time.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was, I truly be curious to see what she does with a second season, because it feels like the girls that kind of figured out late, you either come back and you like,
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: done the worst thing which just started reading too much at online criticism and all the kind of stuff and then you keep trying to edit yourself or you finally lean in and you start playing the game because we don't want you to go that route where you come back season two and whoo because we've seen some season two season two is kind of where you make a break at house life so I would love that you'll see I want her back solely because I want to see what she does with the opportunity and you know what
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, I'm a big fan of the days of housewives where people like we're invited to film, but they were not told whether or not, you know, we don't know if you're going to be a housewife or not.
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: You need to kind of earn your spot if you want to be here.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so we need, we might need that.
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that maybe is needed for several people on the internet and you brought up for the Ashley dynamic and I think it'd be so interesting.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: If like they were feuding next season potentially, and either actually knew that she wasn't going to be a flute holder or an age-wise or they both didn't know or what have you, I'm just talking about people who seem sort of on the edge.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like that could be a really interesting compelling dynamic between them sort of underlying their views, you know.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can see that because they know put K in kind of a weird position too, because I don't think K actually have any like, I don't think so.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.
• 34:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that'd be kind of an interesting dynamic to see like where she has to fall for so because it's like okay, well I've been for making a good friendship with this person for a while I've known this person for 20 years now Where do I kind of and I will call out right is right what I know ask he's wrong on here or angels wrong here So then be a good dynamic for the three of them I think they could lead in today and really give us a show.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think so too and I think the last thing I just want to say about angels is that like
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it sucks when somebody's married gets like put under the microscope and, you know, questioned, you know, I do think that the women were feigning the flames with Bobby in a way that was like a lot.
• 35:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I also think that like he clearly hated filming and he clearly hated all of them.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like, so I don't actually blame them.
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that like that's where some of like around the Colorado trip, especially like, that's where some of the accusations that like,
• 35:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is like housewives 101.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, there probably is some jealousy about the fact that Angel has this like great family.
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's a wag.
• 35:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't meet the show exactly.
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like it's not like this is uncharted territory to be, you know, looking at the husband.
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I wanted to say that because I just felt like it was online.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It felt like people were saying that it was sort of like unfair for them to do that.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if I agree with that with that.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I, I 100% get that because I think a Potomacent interest in city in general when it comes to that because I don't think we've had too many man on this show that like voluntarily want to fame.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And like
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: What the reasoning is, we can speculate, we can guess.
• 36:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I won't go into the territory, but there've been a lot of men that have come on this show.
• 36:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Eddie O'Self was maybe the one who has like fully just been like leaned into it, but like we know what Michael Darry was doing, he didn't want to fail.
• 36:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: We know Jamal Bryant barely wanted to film when he was there.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can dance Ray Hugher, you know, right first and really want to do it.
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like you go through the cast, there's not many men that want to film so I'm kind of like you, to me it didn't feel necessarily out of the ordinary that Bobby didn't want to film.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean like he they've got this amazing life.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you're kind of choosing trauma to bring into it.
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you're not going to have a great experience doing this show.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So why do it?
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I get it.
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's almost more for Red Flag if the Husband does want to film a lot.
• 37:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 37:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's more of that's what I would actually quite explain.
• 37:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 37:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I also think that you it's Eddie's actually I think he's actually threaded the needle maybe.
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: better than most men have ever on housewives, kind of, not just on Potomac, where it's like, he films a lot with Wendy.
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: He does a feel thirsty.
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: He feels like he's supporting her and he's like down to open up.
• 37:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But again, it doesn't feel like too much.
• 37:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that he actually handles it some of the best.
• 37:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Perfectly.
• 37:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 37:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Guy Green.
• 37:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, you mentioned Kiana.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's sort of one of our sort of mid-run people right now.
• 37:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny because
• 37:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I never know how to put it into words about Kiana and I wondering if you have something that you say usually because there is something about Kiana for me, you know, I like and I am drawn to her and I'm not as put off by her as a lot of people seem to be and I can never really explain why and I know that it's a really, I know it's a pretty unpopular opinion to have about her.
• 38:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I find her pretty watchable.
• 38:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious if what you say about Kiana when you're sort of making case for her.
• 38:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do because I listen.
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying both, people like, and I think I'm just, I think a lot of it comes in where I think anybody that has beef with Stacey is gonna get the, like, the short end that stick on land favorite.
• 38:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's that kind of whole dynamic.
• 38:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: But Kiana for me, I actually, I thought, like, really the first
• 38:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who big chunk of the season?
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she was a player in season exactly like her as a friend of like, okay, her bumped up All right, sure, but this season.
• 38:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think she truly found her footing in this group.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think she has like She's fostered real relationships, but he she's also like it's truly found her voice and she has not afraid to use it now Do they necessarily like her voice all the time?
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, do I wish Greg would keep shoes on?
• 39:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but we're not going to always give away one that honestly, I'm going to take your frame.
• 39:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, I feel like we've got to follow them just so we can see if they ever decide to go there, right?
• 39:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I feel like I've invested way too much time in him now as a couple.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I need to see if it's going to shake out.
• 39:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, Keanu, I kind of, I like her there.
• 39:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: is she's almost like that little sister who's easy to make fun of and get riled up and so and she will give you the reaction, you know, she will she's not going to hold back and I think I really appreciate that about her and I think that you you mentioned that she still hasn't found her footing and a guest of mine earlier in the season.
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I believe it was Marjohn Carlos who told me she was she pointed out that like, you know, you have to sell and Karen who the two who are the two pillars of Potomac and yeah, Karen's not here this season and Karen had sort of been
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And without Karen there, Jiselle's not really that sort of maternal figure on the camera.
• 40:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's the Hazler.
• 40:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so like Kay had sort of been finding her footing, but then her guide got taken out of the equation.
• 40:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so all of a sudden she's this like second season of housewife who brings a friend in, but isn't totally sure how to guide that friend herself.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so,
• 40:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering if with Karen around, if like, she can write the ship in certain way.
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we see that Karen have a little bit of an issue with Stacy and maybe that becomes a thing.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anna, big issue with Wendy.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: We know Kiana, big issue with Wendy too.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So,
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: That I mean, hey, it all that makes this to me.
• 40:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny too because I why I just want to ask you a question because yeah, how do you feel when someone has fairly new on the show?
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say is allowed to but like usher somebody into the show.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like do you feel like that should be reserved for someone has been there for a minute or do you think it comes something scenarios where it's worked way in like someone very new.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're sort of trying to reinvigorate it and bring it a fresh group of people so if like one of the new people has has a good friend that they can bring in that works like on the one hand I'm like yeah great, but I also think that part of the reason my angel did not have a good go at it this season is because of what we just talked about which is yes
• 41:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: her friend was somebody who still feels really new and you see it in her eyes.
• 41:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's not really setting that person up for success or either of that either of them up for success.
• 41:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, I would like I do appreciate the loyalty that Angel and Kiana had to each other because that that can be rare.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I also think that sometimes it held both of them back.
• 41:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's all it's a kind of a catch 22.
• 41:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say I guess that's true.
• 41:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Could they have?
• 41:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, honestly When you think about like Jazeal and Karen do kind of stick out like a sore thumb because they are like this show has really kind of Trended young over the years and I mean, I don't want I like our pillars like and I like our OG and stuff So like right I would never say push them out of anything, but it does because
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: When I recorded with a shout out to Kaye on the Broadway Black podcast, we recorded this week, and she told me this isn't shocking probably to anyone that was listening.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea that Jazzy was 32.
• 42:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: For some reason, she reads like, I don't know if it's her mannerisms or she reads like at least late thirties to me.
• 42:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like, fine, now she was like 32.
• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of put her mentality in perspective for me too and I was like, oh, maybe I don't know.
• 42:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe a few years, but not right now.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 42:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: So and how I'm looking it up.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually looking up right now.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: How old is Kiana?
• 42:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do we know?
• 42:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So she's 38.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's six years old.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I see.
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting, but I think that Janna has her energy is the youngest to me.
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just the youngest sister of the whole cast.
• 43:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's really interesting.
• 43:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 43:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm sure people listening to this are like punching the air because they're like, get her down there.
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but I also just think that like her and Angel,
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can argue that there are flops all day long, okay.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: But without them for Jezelle, Ashley, Stacy, et cetera, some play off of, thank you.
• 43:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, that ain't you, that in and of itself.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: make means that they serve to purpose this season in an actually a pretty big way.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like we would not have gotten so many moments without them there.
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you're making the case for them, the finger point, the this dacy finger point, are you kidding?
• 43:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And also, if you would like fun a bit, but Kianna saying,
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: My life, my business, my pain, my death, my conduct.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 44:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, it might be a little delu-lu, but it's still an iconic moment from the season.
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the most violent moments of the season.
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think sometimes she pours sort of accidentally.
• 44:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Grings and I think they got family with her.
• 44:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 44:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's that you bring up such a good point because they really do like you You notice like this far when we talk about the main cast members.
• 44:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've literally said bring her back bring her back Because I really do feel like this group just worked so well together for me and like I think we all knew coming into the season There was a couple things working against him like we had the
• 44:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, the Karen of it all not being there.
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: We had two entirely new people.
• 44:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: We had somebody like an OG returning who does not get along with like one of the, the last main fixture on the show.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we had a lot and then like the, the Eddie and Wendy of it all kind of like it's earned under current there was a lot.
• 44:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: wrong with this season, but they managed to turn out like one of their best season.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm one of those people just like if it's not broke, I'm not in a rush to fix it.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 45:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's the only thing to consider actually, and we're getting ahead of ourselves, but the only thing to consider for me is like making budget space for Karen essentially.
• 45:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's sort of, well, that's where maybe some casualty's happened.
• 45:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's talk about Stacy.
• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think for a lot of people the reason for the season, you know, she is one of the bigger breakout stars in recent memory for Bravo.
• 45:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say in general.
• 45:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she comes back into the season, she, you know, has just been accused of paying her boyfriend from last season to be her boyfriend.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't give a full answer on whether that we never proved that either way.
• 45:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think TJ never coming back with receipts kind of is a really big booing for Stacy.
• 45:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, back with her ex husband, Timo, you know, he clearly wants to film as little as possible.
• 46:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, she's starting a rival, we'd brand, even though she said that the blastery knew that she wasn't doing so, she'd give it an idea name, and like that's bread, of course, as like a payback to Wendy and Eddie who have started happy Eddie, and they were the one that brought out the TJ stuff.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's somebody to me who, like, again, she is a star, she's so lockedable.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love her.
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: but it does she maybe riffs misrepresent the truth to a lot of her castmates a lot of the time?
• 46:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's this thing where she frustrates them so much.
• 46:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: She gives them up the run around.
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's not very direct on her answers to them.
• 46:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't believe what she's saying.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: whenever they try to sort of get her flustered or whatever, she never gives in the reaction that they want out of her.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, that creates this incredible dynamic on Potomac, where there's this one woman in the first chair.
• 46:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: She has earned that spot.
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And...
• 47:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: they kind of all resent her for it in a way.
• 47:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just such a fascinating thing to watch.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, um, I mean, Stacy rush.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: We feel the rush, Kendra.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Feel the rush.
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Feel the rush.
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, I love Stacy as much as everybody else.
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stacey to me in this problem.
• 47:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if there's a wall comparison or an accurate one.
• 47:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: stay see reminds me a lot of Drew Sedora in the sense that Drew actually they'll know literally because I I'm someone like in real life like in my life Liars make me so uncomfortable
• 47:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: But there's something about a reality TV liar that makes me laugh so much like I don't know what it is, but like the way drew lives on Atlanta cracks me up so much and Stacy does it the exact same way on Potomac and I'm like if it's as harmless as all this stuff that's going on.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like a lot of me.
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
• 47:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I really do like love that stuff But I'm also someone who on the other hand can be like I mean I'm not the one that's like having a film with you or build a relationship with you So I can understand why these women like struggle when they feel like nothing you say to them is gonna be the true So I actually I'm like you.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's an amazing dynamic Stacy is one where
• 48:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: They really want to flush the her a lot and they want to kind of like make her like pivot off of access But she won't do it in most times she'll even like laugh along with them and I think that makes them matter than anything But I think by the end of the season especially
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
• 48:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like I don't see a rom-com, but like it felt like a buddy cop comedy or something where at the end You put them both like they've been through so much crap together at K.A.
• 48:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Colorado that now they have a common enemy Angel that they can spit their venom in and now that somehow brought them all closer together So I honestly think the next season we'll see like Ashley, Jazeal, Stacey all forming a much like uh
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: a new kind of forming a Potomix royalty over there, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually still has that voice on Potomac, just like, well, yeah, that's how I was on TV back then, and they're like, well, that was a performance, you know, right, but I do think that, you know, I just, I think the other women
• 49:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and I don't like when people play too much to the audience, but they're, you know, going against Stacey is not going to make you popular with the viewership.
• 49:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think finding your own dynamic with her, like kind of the way the Wendy definitely was able to this season.
• 50:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, hmm, again, Wendy and Stacey were at odds at the reunion.
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that was yep.
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's where we left off.
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then Wendy, I think, was really smart in being
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: for a little bit there, her only sort of connection and person who she could, you know, rely on.
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that became a friendship, I think.
• 50:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that that I'm going to be fascinated to see sort of where things net out was Daisy, because like, again, she viewed it with,
• 50:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tia, Jiselle, Ashley, Kiana, cookie, even.
• 50:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they all tried it with her.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: She gave them nothing.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's very quick with her reactions.
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also just very clear that she's a huge network favorite too.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm watching, and you love so much that happens live.
• 50:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just, it's just kind of just firing and all cylinders.
• 50:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't anticipate the stacy train slowing anytime soon.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm curious what it looks like when it
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: it goes off the rails in some way somehow.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's no big season in three seasons in 10 years.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm I'm saying way and I think the OG it's it's so funny because I was on one hand, I respect the like windy for the way she pivoted to season with Stacey, but I also
• 51:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I respect Jazeal and Ashley for a very particular reason.
• 51:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Wendy is so funny because I think she figured out very early on the season that she couldn't take Stacey seriously.
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was the best way to like form a friendship because that lunch when you think back to that lunch they had, it was so un-serious when she was like, my sister, she's like, my Nigerian sister and Wendy's like, what is going on right now?
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't.
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So silly.
• 51:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think she realized then like, okay.
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stacey's not trying to harm anybody like I'm going to let it go like it's whatever.
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I almost though I oh this go get me chill, but I One of the things I love most are the reality TV stars who genuinely like like I can be in my like on social media kicking up a storm screaming yelling at you all day and you truly don't give a damn about me at home Like you do not care Josale and Ashley are two of those people
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I really love that.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't like the reality stars that out there with season, they go to read the comments to edit themselves for next season.
• 52:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, just the old gonna be a main girl.
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, ass is gonna come and gossip about everything she's heard on the street.
• 52:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's gonna put your business out there.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like we know, there are two constant North stars on the show.
• 52:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like we expect them to do that every season and they're gonna do it.
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: They don't care what we think at home.
• 52:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: They don't care about any of that.
• 52:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: They don't care what the girls think on the show.
• 52:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna be them.
• 52:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like that they didn't try to, like, kind of play to Stacey because she was the favorite.
• 52:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like, I like how they, I think they all handled it as best they could.
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's in May for a great season.
• 52:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I totally, I totally agree.
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Ashley.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can talk about her.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's not too much personal story that we got from her this season.
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we got a little bit, you know, her relationship with Chiak Harlow continued despite her pain.
• 53:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hell.
• 53:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: She also admitted to kissing choruses son and that became a whole thing mostly off of the show That was more women off the show situation that got really messy Yeah, and the thing about Ashley is that like she's kind of one of those people who just like You can kind of never make me hate her and I think that like people I totally like get and agree with some of the criticism about her that she always gets like that's some of its undeniable But ultimately like
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: She stirs up so much mess and so much chaos that like you have to have some level of appreciation for it.
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even if you don't like this about it and I think that this season and she kind of owned it.
• 53:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were you in a little bit of like maybe she took it too far.
• 53:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe her delivery was not good this in this era and she cuts.
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: She cuts sometimes but I don't know.
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I appreciate that of that action.
• 53:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of always will.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Me too.
• 53:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ashley is for me.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know people got to be like, think this is crazy too, but she comes across as one of the more authentic like cast members to me because I really do feel like she loves mess.
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that when she has her family moments, they always read very real to me.
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think she just is who she is, like she's a messy person and she loves to be messy.
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would like call BS abuse like one of those ships where like, okay, we lost a messy cast member out the show.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now someone needs to step into their role.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's not what it was.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: From episode two when Ashley came on season one, she literally was like, did you hear about her finances?
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Have y'all heard about, like, quite a very big hit on that swing set.
• 54:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 54:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 54:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: On that swing set, telling Katie Raw, like, she told these people who she was and what she likes to do.
• 54:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I can't falter for that because she truly has been like,
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm someone's assistant, she's very consistent and I'm not someone who needs like to meet one of the things I hate the most about reality TV or the conversation around reality TV is the whole like your story line, your story like to meet up to him feels fake and I don't like that I just like to see a bunch of women interacting.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: who are all fine interesting and so I don't need the story line of it all but I appreciate the people who push story along and she's definitely one of those people so I can't go against Ashley they're I appreciate her yeah it's one of those it's the it's sort of like the classic sort of hypocrisy of
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: a reality TV fan where it's like, yeah, the the sort of lowest hanging fruit they could criticize somebody for is what's their storyline, you know what what they're making everybody else their storyline not talking about themselves, but then when that person does introduce a
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: boring and contrived or let me fast forward to this person seems because of this is the mess.
• 55:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like it's kind of a camp in situation unless you have something genuinely emotional or intense or whatever going on in your personal life that you can share.
• 56:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise like on a cast of nine women, they're not all gonna have this really compelling personal
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: story to give you that season.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: To me, that's part of the beauty of housewives that sometimes people's personal lives take center stage on a season and sometimes they're more of a background player, but as long as you're bringing it in a group scene and stirring it up in the interpersonal drama, then you're still proving yourself and your worth on the show, in my opinion.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely and I think maybe this is a good transition, but I I feel like that spoke up to Jazeal a lot this season cuz my skin to jazeal Right cuz she's not one that I ever need to like I mean obviously like the kids are out of the house Like that was a lot of her stories.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was raising her daughter.
• 56:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was navigating co-parenting with someone who was in the home of the state Like we we love that dynamic, but she's an emptiness to now.
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
• 56:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, I understand people saying like they want to see her dating and stuff like that.
• 57:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I get that.
• 57:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see that too, but Jazeal is one.
• 57:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's such a presence on this show and truly like the confessionals always gives.
• 57:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's always funny always funny in those confessionals, but she's always one like she's not afraid to ask questions.
• 57:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's not afraid to be messy.
• 57:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's not afraid to call people out.
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think she does exactly what she needs to do on this show.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so the whole like, oh, she ain't got no story.
• 57:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's doing all this because she ain't got none going on.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that I don't care about any of that.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just need to show up as a cast member.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think she does that every season.
• 57:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
• 57:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I also like, when I think, tell them, it's also just what they keep in the show.
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way Deselle didn't actually film more personal scenes we didn't see.
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think part of that is because she carries so much weight and does so much heavy lifting in the group scenes.
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like she and also like, Deselle coming into this season.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really do feel like for the first nine years of the show, Jiselle and Karen, they drove the ship in a big way.
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like obviously everybody else plays the role, but they are the two pillars of Atomic.
• 58:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will always say that.
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: She lost that other pillar.
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I do think that Jiselle,
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: felt that extra weight on her shoulders to, like, deliver a good season, out of caring, but also store them in loyal to Karen and not sort of betray that.
• 58:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, and there's a lot of new people around that you have to try to kind of, you have to try to kind of lead them, but also haze them because that's who she is.
• 58:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, like, it's this weird thing where I do, and also, like, as Jacel has spoken, there was an interview this season that I, allude to a lot where she was, like, I don't really care about what's going on.
• 58:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is my job.
• 58:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, how's that?
• 58:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I liked that.
• 58:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I liked that.
• 58:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: You said that.
• 58:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I also think that that spoke to me about how much she cherishes the job.
• 58:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: She really thinks about this as a business.
• 58:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And whatever, and I respect that.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so those were all factors.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think are a little bit underappreciated about the season for Giselle.
• 59:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: truly.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am, I'm always going to give it up for our forced multipliers, the girls that come to the show and truly like their presence alone makes the other girls work and I'm not going to fall hurt or Ashley for doing it because they both, I mean we wouldn't have gotten
• 59:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But 80% of the Stacey moments we got this season had it not been for them.
• 59:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like Honestly applying pressure like they they wanted to ask the questions They want to go at it with her.
• 59:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: They want to do all these things and Stacey showed up.
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: They showed up everyone That's why I said on some but everyone did their part and I can't be mad at it on some before doing the group project That's where I want them to do so.
• 59:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
• 59:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: We can all have our favorites people So I think we agree on this out
• 59:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about Wendy.
• 59:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whew!
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 59:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Wendy, she had her besties in ever.
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 59:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: She, well, confident and solidified.
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: She has had uncovered this amazing report, which is Ellen Ashley, which was funny and shady, but not that deep.
• 1:00:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: She put some of the newbies in their place, but also was welcoming to some of them.
• 1:00:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: She connected with Stacey as we discussed.
• 1:00:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: She opened up a lot about her relationship with her family, you know, both her mom, but also her obviously her dad spent a lot of money on this renovation of the first forever house.
• 1:00:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we got a lot of little tidbits about
• 1:00:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: her talking about money, which, again, would have been left on the cutting room floor had the other thing not been happening, which is of course her legal issues and the case being brought against her and Eddie after their arrest, um, you know, she's facing jail time, the update today from Torea Faison of what else is going on.
• 1:00:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to Rio.
• 1:00:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Talk boots on the ground journalism.
• 1:00:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's the update is that they're probably going to be tried separately, um, which is an interesting update.
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: All of that is to say, it's a very
• 1:00:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: and we got a lot of the reunion too.
• 1:00:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like, how are you feeling about it?
• 1:01:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's the first question.
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Boyle boy, that is a who that's a layer like this, yeah.
• 1:01:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So the trial of it all.
• 1:01:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really curious as to how them as a couple are thinking about doing this because I don't know if this scenario where they truly are about to like be tried separately or if like something's going to happen to like shift the blame.
• 1:01:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like maybe one can stay with the kids and I don't know what it is because
• 1:01:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I truly like when all this came out like people were like having their, you know, their moments online like think tanking like, oh, this is going to happen.
• 1:01:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: In my mind, I was always like, oh, the evidence that they have, they're going to prison like there was nothing like, oh, it felt like there was nothing in my mind.
• 1:01:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if something happens to revert that.
• 1:01:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would love it because I don't think kids should, you know, obviously parents shouldn't do crime, but I would hate for the kids to lose both their parents like, you know, they're the real victim to this.
• 1:02:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I would hate for them to like lose out, but, um,
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, they're, they're a hard one because Wendy just had literally like you said her best season like she showed up in every aspect.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of feel like when Karen stepped away.
• 1:02:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: She kind of came back in and was like, you know what, I'll help me to ship along exactly.
• 1:02:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like, oh, Wendy, I'm curious as to how she shows up.
• 1:02:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: in the season 11.
• 1:02:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because now she's reached her pinnacle, I almost feel like she has to go back down now.
• 1:02:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Simply because like not because she can't continue to perform, but I feel like now you have to be careful of everything you say.
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's going to be shown, I'm still about to go to trial.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's going to happen.
• 1:02:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like it's season 11.
• 1:02:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be just us.
• 1:02:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: follow in the case along with her with the reality cameras or can she really like truly show up authentically with these girls and throw the shade and do all this kind of stuff.
• 1:03:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know or everyone just like kind of feel sorrowful Wendy, I don't know I was going to be.
• 1:03:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's this it's a hard thing because like of course I know that she's doing her job and she needs to pay check and so I don't believe her for showing up to the reunion.
• 1:03:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But of course I have that same feeling that Jiselle Karen actually all expressed, which is like hmm.
• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you talking so much like I know the rest of saying everything that was available online and for the most part, but it just It just felt like that is just giving fodder to the case against the case against you and just hmm if you say one detail differently or something like that is It's it makes me really uncomfortable to be honest and but at the same time like if she shows up in a season 11
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It has to be about that.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It can't not.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 1:03:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's unfair if it's not to, to everybody else who's ever gone through stuff on these shows and had to open up about it.
• 1:03:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's also a legal thing.
• 1:03:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So she could play that I can't talk about that card, but like how frustrating will that be?
• 1:04:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: That would actually hurt the show, I think, if she's there and can't, and it doesn't talk about it in the genuine way.
• 1:04:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, for sure.
• 1:04:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the other women are gonna wanna talk about it.
• 1:04:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's really,
• 1:04:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you do about it.
• 1:04:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't.
• 1:04:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, because it'd be like if it's a situation where like, okay, you've gone to court today, can we debrief about court?
• 1:04:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like what happened there?
• 1:04:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I mean, we might not even see like the strategy I'll have going forward or you know, I know you can't reveal everything, but if some's out there gonna be for public record, we need to at least discuss that.
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously like we don't have to wonder if Jazeal Ashley, they're gonna discuss it, but I think
• 1:04:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I so hate this for her because you truly just had your best season and you go to continue to rise But I don't know how you do that in this setting and let's like, I mean, it could be a scenario where Angel still might not like her Kiarna still might not like her Karen doesn't still like her So maybe she's getting a lot of heat and she's like filling push against the wall and she is attacking back, but
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 1:05:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like season where it's just like really combat.
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be answered.
• 1:05:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be interesting to see it play out.
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I definitely think we need to see it play out.
• 1:05:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we do.
• 1:05:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping I'm hoping I'll honestly all seven of our main girls.
• 1:05:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of want everybody back and I want to see this dynamic continue.
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see it all play out.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I need to see everything.
• 1:05:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Last question about Wendy, the whole segment and the footage, everything about her situation, that like changed the way that you thought about it, or did you feel like un-swayed either direction?
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't really swayed either because I kind of I feel bad saying it, but literally since all this stuff came coming out, it this felt like a situation where we've seen a lot of like criminality happen on Bravo and we've like kind of gotten bits and pieces as time has gone on.
• 1:05:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: This kind of felt like one of those situations where they got arrested, the most shots were released and we got like 90% of the information.
• 1:06:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it was like whoa,
• 1:06:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like people were kind of like staunch in their opinions very early on and honestly I feel like I was one of those people.
• 1:06:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, they tell.
• 1:06:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is federal now like I they're not hitching a wagon or something that they can't win.
• 1:06:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I I don't know I to me it nothing really moved me nothing really sad like oh gosh, they're you know They're innocent this way they're guilty this way unless they guess like some solid proof that just haven't come up and discover yet
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: But to me, I feel like we're going to see some real jail time.
• 1:06:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:06:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting watching them, sort of.
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope this is in the case, but it feels like there's a little bit of red crumbing about like the effects this has had on their marriage.
• 1:06:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: The pickup segment was almost all about their relationship.
• 1:06:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was asked about that.
• 1:06:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: The reunion, they're being tried separately now.
• 1:06:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 1:06:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think they're an amazing couple and they belong together.
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I really hope that that is not sort of where we're headed in this.
• 1:07:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: That would be especially, again, for the kids.
• 1:07:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, God, you really hope that that does not happen.
• 1:07:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: there are some signs they're showing us and maybe that's how they frame it for season 11.
• 1:07:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's the way that you can make it true.
• 1:07:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Show, you know, that's true.
• 1:07:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm petty.
• 1:07:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So one of my main concerns about was windy.
• 1:07:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like damn it.
• 1:07:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not his mom was probably called and I'm saying that he's white about any whole time.
• 1:07:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
• 1:07:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:07:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would be the same.
• 1:07:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would be the same.
• 1:07:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about Karen at the top, but we have to just like kind of
• 1:07:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: She had her big interview with Andy, which I thought had some good moment and some not so good moments.
• 1:07:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's be clear.
• 1:07:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, take a shot every time Karen has said, let's be clear.
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Interview press reunion.
• 1:07:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I felt like I was interested to see sort of what the change in energy would have been from the interview back, which was filmed this September versus this, which was something that January, it didn't feel like she had done that much movement and how she talked about her crime and her addiction and recovery.
• 1:08:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: almost she definitely had a more assured energy, you know, she was stepping back into the Grand Dom role felt.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: She had a lot of heat for Wendy, and I think some of it was tough love that was needed and some of it was a little bit of an over step.
• 1:08:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's the one question I have for you about caring because we have discussed her is what do you want to see from her when she returns definitely for season 11.
• 1:08:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and I'm gonna throw a question back at you in a minute because I do, I Feel like we need to see like hurt truly It needs to click in her mind for us because I honestly I don't know if She intends on it because you know a lot of people do the things that need to get out of jail early Like you're gonna go to the programs.
• 1:08:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna Like not cause any fuss kick up any you know you're gonna do the things you need to do so you can get out of there I think
• 1:09:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: as a viewer, me someone who's convinced that she really didn't learn anything, nothing changed or some, that's rock on a land with her.
• 1:09:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I need to see something whether it's contrition, whether it's a little bit of remorse, whether it's how can I make sure other people don't do this kind of stuff that I do.
• 1:09:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know because I feel like this isn't going to be like
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: a season where it's like Shannon Badoor getting beat up because Alexis Baleena was there and like it won't be anything like that.
• 1:09:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if anything, it'll be Karen being asked questions, her maybe getting defensive or her laying all the way in and playing and like, you know, oh, girl didn't love me and jail.
• 1:09:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: We did think, you know, like they kind of stuff.
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not sure how either one would land, but I think she needs to
• 1:09:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: If she was smart, she would focus in on the, maybe I can rebuild my relationship with Wendy, not rebuild it, but like address my relationship with Wendy, maybe I can see what was going on with Stacey, continue to the amazing friend of me ship with Jazeal.
• 1:10:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to see her kind of like woven back into the group authentically, but I need her to address, I need you to talk about it, I need you to talk about it.
• 1:10:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: in a way that feels believable and hopefully by then it's like she's a little bit more unburdened by like the nervousness of the first couple times you do talk about it publicly yeah i think that was probably an element of it but um yeah i think it's you know it's we all see that she has a clear problem with alcohol specifically and it never not
• 1:10:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: her refusing to sort of embrace the alcoholic label that people want to give her is um that's going to be a sticking point.
• 1:10:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to remain one.
• 1:10:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so how she handles that is I think that's just like a big that's just a big thing that people people feel overly strongly about that and you know I guess like I guess the the the the the thing that I'm most the reason why I'm glad she's back in addition to like
• 1:11:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see what's on the other side of a situation like this, you know, I think that's why I have no problem with her being back on this cast because I don't need reality stars to be perfect.
• 1:11:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need them to not make mistakes.
• 1:11:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't even have to handle those mistakes perfectly.
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just I just reality TV is supposed to show elements of real life and struggles and wins and this is a huge struggle and a huge fuck up and she committed a crime.
• 1:11:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: What does life look like after that?
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It hurts when you get divorced.
• 1:11:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, is what is all of that look like?
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I'm interested to see it.
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that is what it is.
• 1:11:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me actually kind of a final question then because I'm curious, there's been kind of a little fodder on line.
• 1:11:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we know the answer to this question already.
• 1:11:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if you were like on production and you were like making these decisions about casting next season, it got to Karen's turn,
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Would you be saying like okay we need to make this like an eight member cast like we did at land of this season?
• 1:12:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do we need to replace somebody with caring full-time or this care needs to be ease back into this like in a friend of role and then maybe season 12 comeback full-time?
• 1:12:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do you kind of see her transitioning back into the group?
• 1:12:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think if you want the intense personal story part of it with her, you have to make her full time because the end of role doesn't really come with that usually, but it's like I'm having the producer talent conversation before the season starts with her.
• 1:12:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have to ensure that she goes there and you have to ensure that she continues like the the ball rolling and not just repeating the same stuff and doesn't just say let's be clear to every question she's asked you know like right actually does be clear don't say it just be clear right so that's one of the things I think.
• 1:12:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It really I think for next season it depends on like what the budget.
• 1:13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's literally a budget thing.
• 1:13:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think because Karen is a 10 season housewife, which is always in housewife.
• 1:13:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ash is a 10 season housewife.
• 1:13:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wendy has been around for a while.
• 1:13:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yarna and Stacey are sort of like there's a lot of sort of longevity here, which makes it more expensive.
• 1:13:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Stacey's price is probably gone up to now.
• 1:13:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It should.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: She can demand more.
• 1:13:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think as we talked about with pretty much every one of these women, like I would not be mad if any of them came back.
• 1:13:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are a couple that if we lost them, I wouldn't be heartbroken over it.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I like a big housewives cast.
• 1:13:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if we have a cast.
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Me too.
• 1:13:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nine women.
• 1:13:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Love it.
• 1:13:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bring it on, you know, there's no there's nobody on this path that I like can't stand to look at essentially, you know, right.
• 1:13:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel?
• 1:13:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Same way.
• 1:13:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
• 1:13:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like Atlanta finally I brought his years having eight women on the chaos.
• 1:13:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so excited.
• 1:13:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm excited for K machine.
• 1:13:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited for all of it.
• 1:13:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think this group.
• 1:14:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: for season 10 was already fantastic.
• 1:14:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're throwing Karen back in there, put her full time, make this a eight person cast and let's like actually.
• 1:14:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because we're not meeting new people at this point.
• 1:14:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: We know all that we know the eight people.
• 1:14:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think you can do that with when it's a cast of like new girls.
• 1:14:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think like six.
• 1:14:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Potentially seven.
• 1:14:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of the max like you kind of pushing at that point, but I think when there's people we know Give me a give me a big chance.
• 1:14:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like Miami.
• 1:14:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Miami.
• 1:14:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like yes, no turn over No new people out it Here was our girls
• 1:14:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And just there's there's there's a lot going on.
• 1:14:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just get those cameras back up.
• 1:14:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Exactly.
• 1:14:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Kendrick, I kept you all longer.
• 1:14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this again, as we said, the top.
• 1:14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is a big undertaking to talk about this season.
• 1:14:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's just so much going on about Potomac.
• 1:14:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, it excites me in general just because Potomac is at its best.
• 1:14:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the best, you know?
• 1:14:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and it's just irresistible.
• 1:15:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm happy with the state of the show right now.
• 1:15:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I
• 1:15:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 1:15:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for having me.
• 1:15:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can talk for a tonic for years.
• 1:15:09
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, Kendrick always a pleasure.
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