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OneLegUpAlex Welcomes Author Kevin D. Miller Back to Talk Upcoming Book Signing and Insight on Cam Skattebo (recorded 8/26/25) · OneLegUpAlex Media

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  Speaker 1: Here's your host, Alex Garrett.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I've been following this guy's TikTok and
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  Speaker 2: social media forever since we talked about his you know,
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  Speaker 2: great grandfather, Kevin Miller back you all remember him from
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  Speaker 2: the Heart of Steel. Now he's doing so much more
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  Speaker 2: and he's back on my podcast on One Leg Up
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  Speaker 2: with Alex Herret. First of all, Kevin, it's been a while,
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  Speaker 2: haven't been.
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  Speaker 3: I've been great, Alex. I've been great. I mean I'm
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  Speaker 3: doing the same. I'm following you all the time on
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  Speaker 3: TikTok and your social media and watching all the stuff
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  Speaker 3: you're involved in, and you inspire me. Man, you know
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  Speaker 3: you're you're uh. I enjoy I enjoy watching your videos
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  Speaker 3: and stuff. But I've been busy just continue writing books
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  Speaker 3: and stuff and hanging out with the family here and
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  Speaker 3: in sunny and very warm Arizona. We uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're in California for a while, but now we're back
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  Speaker 3: in Arizona and enjoying the heat.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's seem like you've been diving more into the
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  Speaker 2: Native American you know, writing. So tell us what the
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  Speaker 2: latest is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the latest the book I'm writing right now
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  Speaker 3: is called Blood of Yara Maya and it's set in
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  Speaker 3: the the Brazilian Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's an interesting story.
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  Speaker 3: I'm really having fun writing this guy's I should have it.
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  Speaker 3: I should have it published probably in about another month.
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  Speaker 3: I plan on doing it about like next month. And uh,
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  Speaker 3: the story is basically, you know, a young young protagonist
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  Speaker 3: is a twenty five year old gen Z Stanford grad
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  Speaker 3: kind of you know, spoiled rich kid from Malibu.
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  Speaker 1: And she is bored in her life.
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  Speaker 3: She's got a relationship that's broken up, and she she
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  Speaker 3: she takes on this. She wants to be an assistant
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  Speaker 3: to a doctor who's working in the Amazon to finish
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  Speaker 3: her thesis. And uh, she ends up going down there
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  Speaker 3: to do this, and and finds herself alone in the
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  Speaker 3: Amazon because when she gets there, the doctor's not there,
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  Speaker 3: and the boat leaves and the radio doesn't work and
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  Speaker 3: she has no way to get there. So she's so
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  Speaker 3: as the book opens up, it's already she's already been
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  Speaker 3: there a week and she's you know, desperate to know
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  Speaker 3: what to do, and you know, and and uh, basically it's, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the the doctors down there studying an indigenous tribe that
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  Speaker 3: has an unusually long lifespan and trying to figure out why.
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  Speaker 3: But he needs a botanist and and the young lady's
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  Speaker 3: a botanist and they're going to study this year a
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  Speaker 3: maaya tree that has this resin that seems to be
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  Speaker 3: associated with their unusually long life.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So, anyway, that's kind of where the book.
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  Speaker 3: That book is and just having fun writing it and
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  Speaker 3: it should be out in another month.
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  Speaker 1: You you know, you.
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  Speaker 3: Can check my website for updates on author Kevinmeller dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and you've been.
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  Speaker 2: Doing you've been doing some other events, like I think
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  Speaker 2: you're going out in the community to meet some of
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  Speaker 2: your fans and all that, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually have a book signing this October,
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  Speaker 3: October eighteenth, and uh right near Scottsdale, Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: So so I'll be out there with all my books
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  Speaker 3: and signing autographs and you know, just meeting people and
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  Speaker 3: talking to other authors. You know, those events are great
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  Speaker 3: because you know authors, you can talk to other authors
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  Speaker 3: and you know, see what they're doing and bounce ideas
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  Speaker 3: off each other. So yeah, that's a lot of fun
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  Speaker 3: to do. And I've got my I finished my time
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  Speaker 3: travel series I've got a book A four, a series
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  Speaker 3: of four books kind of a time travel fiction, time travel.
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  Speaker 1: Historical romance type thing.
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  Speaker 3: So people who are into time travel romance, like the
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  Speaker 3: Outlander type of thing would probably enjoy the series, the
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  Speaker 3: time Piece series.
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  Speaker 1: So again, that's up up on my website.
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  Speaker 3: And and uh yeah, I was just I was ready
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  Speaker 3: to after finishing book four, I was ready to start
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  Speaker 3: a you know, a different, different genre, different book to
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  Speaker 3: just kind of step out of that world for a while.
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  Speaker 1: But it was a lot of fun right in the series.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if you follow Kevin on TikTok and social media
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  Speaker 2: and you see all the beautiful covers, I know you're
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  Speaker 2: a graphic designer. Did you create a lot of your covers?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I create them all I do.
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  Speaker 3: The only two that I haven't, well I was involved
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  Speaker 3: in is the two that are that are traditionally published
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  Speaker 3: by Headline Books out there in West Virginia. Shout out
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  Speaker 3: to them. But yes, all the book covers are my
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  Speaker 3: own design. I've designed some book covers for other authors
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's something I like to do.
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  Speaker 3: It's I enjoy it because it's like you know, I
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  Speaker 3: That's why I kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Went back to some self publishing a lot of my books.
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  Speaker 3: Just to have that control, you know, the control over
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  Speaker 3: the book cover, the control over how I market it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and I kind of a lot of authors
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  Speaker 3: are doing that these days. You know, some of them
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  Speaker 3: are more self publishing more and more because you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's you know, it's kind of a next Week where you.
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  Speaker 2: And you owner and you own all your rights when you.
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  Speaker 3: Do that, yeah, exactly, And the and the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the royalties are higher too. I mean, you get most
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  Speaker 3: you know, traditionally published houses will pay you ten percent.
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  Speaker 1: They'll give they'll give you a.
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  Speaker 3: You know, an advance and then they'll pay you ten
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  Speaker 3: percent royalties.
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  Speaker 1: Or you know, post it on Amazon.
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  Speaker 3: You're getting like seventy percent royalty for most everything.
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  Speaker 1: So so long you market, you're good.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to get to why you're wearing your air
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  Speaker 2: on the State shirt in a minute, because it does
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  Speaker 2: impact New York City and New York Giants football, because look,
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited for the preseason. I know you watched it
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  Speaker 2: very closely. But before we get to that, let's follow
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  Speaker 2: upon your great grandfather Stanley. Yeah, wowowski has he come
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  Speaker 2: to life yet? Are you bringing him to life in
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  Speaker 2: in movies. What's up with all the projects there with
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  Speaker 2: that we've.
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  Speaker 3: Got, Yeah, we've you know, that's a Hollywood's Those things
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  Speaker 3: take a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Sometime.
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  Speaker 3: We had a TV series set up with the ID
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  Speaker 3: Network and they they kind of backed out on that recently.
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  Speaker 3: You know, That's kind of how it goes sometimes. But
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  Speaker 3: so that kind of fell through the cracks. But we're
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  Speaker 3: still pitching it to production companies for the feature film
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  Speaker 3: and you know, just actively working on it, just kind
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  Speaker 3: of waiting.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot we have a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: People interested, but Hollywood has slowed down so much, you know,
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  Speaker 3: from the strike and from a lot of the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the stuff that's gone on the last couple of years
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  Speaker 3: in Hollywood, and that's kind of slowed production down, it
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  Speaker 3: slowed green lighting projects.
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  Speaker 1: So I just have to be patient. You know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very confident that, you know, we're going to get
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  Speaker 3: this thing greenlit for film and possibly for some TV
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  Speaker 3: you know as well. So we're just you know, I
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  Speaker 3: just keep pushing away.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I have.
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  Speaker 3: A friend of mine, Kevin Sizemore, who's an actor in Hollywood,
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  Speaker 3: has own production company who optioned the book and he's
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  Speaker 3: constantly pitching it and pushing and he's got a lot
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  Speaker 3: of recent projects that he's greenlit, so he I know
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  Speaker 3: I'm in there, and I know I have a lot
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  Speaker 3: of confidence in him that he's going to get it done.
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  Speaker 3: So you will be the first to know, my friend.
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  Speaker 3: As soon as I have.
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  Speaker 2: Something, we'll do red carpet interviews if there's ever a
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  Speaker 2: movie in there. You know, Hey, I got to ask
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  Speaker 2: you though, because Youngstown, Ohio, it does get into the
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  Speaker 2: news sometimes and whatnot. Do you follow all the trends
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  Speaker 2: of Youngstown because of that, That's where the story started.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure podcasts and radio station is there still
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  Speaker 2: call you up?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I do, I yeah, definitely. And the other
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  Speaker 1: thing I was going to do.
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  Speaker 3: The one of the things I wanted to do exces
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  Speaker 3: is I want to go back to Ohio and now
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  Speaker 3: that I know where the property was, it was like
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  Speaker 3: a ninety two acre property where this uh More my
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  Speaker 3: grandfather lived and the murders took place. The murder took place,
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  Speaker 3: and I want to go walk that property with video,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I want to record that. And I started
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  Speaker 3: to do that and a lot of the people I
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  Speaker 3: was working with that wanted to buy the rights to
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  Speaker 3: the TVs here and stuff, So like, no, no, no, don't
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  Speaker 3: do that because we want to We want you to
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  Speaker 3: do that and you know and get your genuine reaction
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  Speaker 3: to it, you know, but you know that might take
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  Speaker 3: a while. So I'm I'm planning a trip, you know,
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  Speaker 3: probably you know, the next couple of months or very
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  Speaker 3: soon to go back and walk that property, do a
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  Speaker 3: video of it, and you just kind of talk about
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  Speaker 3: the story as I do that, and you know, just
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  Speaker 3: I like to go walk around the area in Southington
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  Speaker 3: and talk to the locals, talk to the people and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: and just you know, some people it's funny because some
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  Speaker 3: people say, yeah, I kind of remember something about that story.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It's you know, but uh, and it's interesting because Southington
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  Speaker 3: where the where the farm was, where my grandparents you know, lived,
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  Speaker 3: and the tragedy happened.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's not changed. It's like a time capsule back there.
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  Speaker 1: You know. You go back there and it's like you
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  Speaker 1: could be standing.
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  Speaker 3: In nineteen twenty as easy as you could be standing
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  Speaker 3: in you know, twenty twenty five. So it's fascinating. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I do stay in contact with a lot of people.
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  Speaker 3: I do get emails. People drop in on me sometimes
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  Speaker 3: with emails and say, I read your book, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and I've got some questions for you, and would you
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  Speaker 3: be interested in talking to you know, So that does
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  Speaker 3: happen a lot still.
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  Speaker 2: So the book it was true crime, but also it
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  Speaker 2: had a lot of yeah in to it too. How
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  Speaker 2: did you balance that out? Yeah, the yeah.
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  Speaker 3: When I want to go write that book out, it's
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  Speaker 3: like it's a true crime story, but I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: write it in a novel format. I wanted to be
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  Speaker 3: like a not a documentary or a biography or anything.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted it to be an actual novel that people
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  Speaker 3: can just dive into and visualize the story through my
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  Speaker 3: grandfather's eyes, you know, kind of a cinematic, you know,
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  Speaker 3: version of that.
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  Speaker 1: So when you read the.
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  Speaker 3: Book, it's it's an emotional book because you're living the
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  Speaker 3: story and you kind of through his eyes and and
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  Speaker 3: you know, and feeling it and feeling the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the the challenges and the and the hurt and the
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  Speaker 3: tragedy and the you know, and and him overcoming I mean,
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  Speaker 3: his his story is very inspirational.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It's twelve thirteen year old boy, you know that could
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  Speaker 3: overcome such a tragedy and rescue his family and you know,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, and it was.
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  Speaker 2: A euro And also then you document the love story
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  Speaker 2: between your grandmother and grandfather. I mean that's part of
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  Speaker 2: this too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's definitely about part of it.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's kind of part three of the story, because
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  Speaker 3: the first part of the story is, you know, the tragedy,
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  Speaker 3: how it happened, the mystery, the murder mystery, everything that
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  Speaker 3: goes on after my grandfather wakes up and finds his
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  Speaker 3: father murdered in his bed and there's his mother is
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  Speaker 3: bound and gagged and claiming that men broke in and
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  Speaker 3: murdered the father and stole money and stuff. So that
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  Speaker 3: first part's the investigation and how things fall apart and
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  Speaker 3: go just sideways. And then the second part is when
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  Speaker 3: my grandfather and his siblings is thrown into that orphanage
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  Speaker 3: and Warren Ohio, that terrible place that he decides to
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  Speaker 3: escape from a twelve years old to go take hop
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  Speaker 3: a train in Chicago and and make enough money to
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  Speaker 3: go back and bust his siblings out and take care
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  Speaker 3: of them.
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  Speaker 1: And then the third part is kind of his story where.
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  Speaker 3: He meets my grandmother, my Irish grandma, Mma and you know, and.
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  Speaker 1: That that's kind of how it goes. That that's that's his.
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  Speaker 3: Finding, you know, coming full circle and finding that love
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  Speaker 3: that he needed in his life after sufferings and he.
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  Speaker 2: Began Look, he ended up in the Prohibition era, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was right there, and that's why he made his
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  Speaker 2: money for his wife. I mean it was pretty that's
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  Speaker 2: pretty remarkable.
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  Speaker 3: Too, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, because he got initially got
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  Speaker 3: a job in a steel mill that wasn't really doing
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  Speaker 3: enough for him, and there he got involved with bootlegging
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  Speaker 3: because that was the time, that was the era, and
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  Speaker 3: he made enough money doing that and he just kind
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  Speaker 3: of stayed in it for a while, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: kind of did that. They in the in the book,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they my grandparents or my grandfather owned a speakeasy,
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  Speaker 3: you know, bar and stuff, and you know there there
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  Speaker 3: was a story that one time the cops showed up
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  Speaker 3: to his house and he had a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 3: liquor in the attic, you know, and they were pressing
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  Speaker 3: him and you know as to you know, you guys,
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  Speaker 3: got any illegal liquor in here? And stuff, and he goes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's all up in the attic, you know, he just
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  Speaker 3: told him that jokingly, and they're like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he just thought he was kidding and left.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: So he was an interesting character. He's an interesting guy,
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  Speaker 3: and I wish i'd have known more when he was
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  Speaker 3: alive and I could ask him questions, although I know
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  Speaker 3: he wouldn't have answered most.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this because I feel like in
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  Speaker 2: your writing, there's got to be that thread which we
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  Speaker 2: were first pitched about many years ago, not keeping family secrets, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you want to bring up those secrets, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the family, and I feel like that's reflected in all
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  Speaker 2: of your writing.
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  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, it is, it is, you know because with
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  Speaker 3: this story, I struggled and I talked a lot with
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  Speaker 3: my dad when he was still alive, and it's like
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  Speaker 3: my grandfather took this story to his grave, him and
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  Speaker 3: his siblings, you know, for over one hundred years.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't want that truth revealed.
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  Speaker 3: But I decided I want to tell this true just
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  Speaker 3: because the story was so it's inspirational. It touched my heart,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and it's like I need to tell this
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  Speaker 3: story because I think it's going to touch other people's hearts.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's gonna people are going to relate
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  Speaker 3: to this story, you know. And he truly had a
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  Speaker 3: heart of steel, you know, and I think people will
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  Speaker 3: relate to the story. And that's why I just decided
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  Speaker 3: to share it, because I just was in awe of
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  Speaker 3: his bravery and his courage at such a young age.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you don't see that today. You know, you
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  Speaker 3: don't see that kind of grit today. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think from from most of our youth. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's just kind of been lost over the generations, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So so I thought I was a story that needed
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  Speaker 3: to be told. And you know, I'm sorry, Grandpa, I
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  Speaker 3: love you, you know, but I wanted to tell your story.
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  Speaker 2: You know what. Maybe he's you know, maybe he's approved
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  Speaker 2: of by inspiring you to write so many more books
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  Speaker 2: and be an award winning author all at the same time.
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  Speaker 3: Here, Yeah that, you know, you know what, that's a
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  Speaker 3: nice thought. I liked that thought. It really is. Because
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  Speaker 3: the second book I wrote is inspired by my great
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  Speaker 3: great grandmother, who was Native American. She was Ohio Seneca
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  Speaker 3: and she was married to my Irish grandfather. And that
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  Speaker 3: one takes place in like the Civil War, and I
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  Speaker 3: did a lot of research.
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  Speaker 1: On that one as well.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I just kept going, you know, I kept
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  Speaker 3: going with that, and maybe that's true. You know, maybe
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  Speaker 3: that is true because I just found a love through
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  Speaker 3: his story. I found a love for writing and decided
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  Speaker 3: to become an author late in life, you know, go figure.
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  Speaker 2: But all right, well, you know, since I've rebranded to
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  Speaker 2: one Leg Up Alex and one Leg Up with Alex
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  Speaker 2: and whatnot, I've often brought on people that are helping
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  Speaker 2: others have one leg up. So you mentioned the youth.
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  Speaker 2: When you go to these conferences, are you finding that
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  Speaker 2: people are turning to you for that advice to have
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  Speaker 2: one leg up on their own writing as well? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Definitely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, when we're yeah, even as I'm
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  Speaker 3: sitting at the tables and talking to different people and
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  Speaker 3: coming up, there's a lot of young young you know,
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  Speaker 3: youngsters and young teenagers and young adults and stuff that
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  Speaker 3: come up and look at my books. And I get
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  Speaker 3: a chance to stand there and just talk to them,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and ask them questions and and you know,
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  Speaker 3: and they'll ask questions about the book and stuff, and
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  Speaker 3: some of them do they want to write or you know,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of times I'll ask them, you know, do
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  Speaker 3: you ever think about writing a story? As we get
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  Speaker 3: into a conversation, and a lot of there's so many
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  Speaker 3: people that want to write stories that just don't know
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  Speaker 3: where to start or they just don't get around to
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  Speaker 3: doing it. So my advice to them is, you know,
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: just sit down and start writing. It doesn't have to
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: be perfect, don't worry about, you know, how good or.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Bad it is.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Just just write the story, you know, because everybody has
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: a story in them, you know, and I think most
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: people could write a book, you know, most people could
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: find something in their family or their experiences to you know,
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: to write. And yeah, I definitely definitely one leg up,
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: you know, and find that, you know, find that passion,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: But but those who are sort of breaking out into this,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: like for the first time an author and I'm watching
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: this right now listening to us, Yeah, but they're stuck
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: in the corporate world. Because if I'm not miss saying,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: you were in the corporate world, and of course you
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: served our military and then once all that was completed,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: you dove into writing. Yeah, what's the message of saying, Hey,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: maybe too late to be right, It's never too late.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, never too late. It's never too late.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I'm I started writing in my sixties, you know, And
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: I mean I'd always been a professional web developer, a
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: technical writer and stuff.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: But it's not the same thing.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: But but I've always had these stories inside me, you know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: I've always had that inside and if you if you're
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: a person who has that same kind of creativity stories,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: it's just stuff that just has to get out and
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: get it on paper.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: It's like, it is never too late to start writing.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: And it's never been easier to publish a book than today,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: you know, because you just go you can use Amazon,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: you can use you know, ingram Sparks. There's so many
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: platforms for self published authors to publish their work and
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: get it out there. You know, if you go through Ingrams, Spark,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: you know that you can get your book in libraries.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: I've got a lot, you know a lot of my
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: books and libraries, you know, because they go on and
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: they just buy them and you know, and get them
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: out there.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: So your stories are also historical, I mean, that's the
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: other part of this. They're historical writings. And I feel
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: like you're preserving the legacies of your family. What's that
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: mean to you when you hear something like that.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, no, No, I mean it's it's definitely preserving
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: the legacy. And the other thing too, ox, which is
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: really cool. I have two younger daughters. I've got one
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: who's nineteen and one who's twenty three, and they feed
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: me a lot of material because.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I listen to how they talk.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: I listen to their conversations and their experiences, you know,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: with their with life, with their boyfriends, with their jobs,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: with school, and how they talk and stuff. And one
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: of the things for me is I'm leaving in these
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: books is when they go to they don't always read
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: my books, you know, I try. I don't push it
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: on them and stuff because they're so busy in their lives.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: But I know that maybe one day when I'm not
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: here and they sit down and they start reading all
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: my books and going through everything, They're going to recognize conversations.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: They're going to recognize themselves in my writing, you know.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of a legacy that I'm leaving for
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: them too, you know, because they get.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Me curiosity into their own family tree now too.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: You know, exactly it does, and it preserves and it
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: gives them something that to pass down and say, yeah,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: this was your grandfather, this is your you know, great
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: great grandfather's story, and you know, and uh yeah, definitely,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: it definitely seals I mean, that's the funny thing.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: About books, you know, it does. It seals a legacy.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: You know, it gives us history, it gives us you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: an escape, and and it does allow me to leave
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: those kind of messages to my children and grandchildren.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: So very very cool.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Very amazing. Well I got to ask you this then, Well,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: we know you're a big sports guy, so we're going
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: to do that in one second for sure. But as
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: you're writing, what does it mean to be that expressive self?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's such a form of expression there,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: not just putting the words on it, but the way
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: you do it, you know.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody, every author has their writing process, you know,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: and they're all different. There's no right or wrong way
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: to write a book, you know. And the first book,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: when I wrote Hard to Steal, it's like I had
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: to kind of learn how to write a book. It
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: took me three years to write that book because I
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: had to learn how to write and you know, go
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: through an editor and just kind of figure it out.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: And I've got you know, I've re edited that book
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: several times to make it the best it can be.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: But then as each as I write each book, I
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: get better and better. And as I learn, I'm constantly learning,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: constantly reading other books, you know, listening to other authors,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: famous authors, how they write their processes and compare that
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: to my own and use some of their ideas. I
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: have my own ideas, but yeah, you kind of cate
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: your own process of writing and it just kind of
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: comes to you, you know. So there's and I said,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: like I said, there's no right or wrong way to
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: do it, you know, just sit down and write and
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: and be honest with the you know, with the writing.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you have to be real into it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: There's sections of writing that are so emotional to me
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: that you know, I get emotional and have to stop
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: sometimes because and and that's how I look at is
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: if this has affected me like this, I think the
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: reader is going to feel that too.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: They're going to feel that through the pages.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: So you kind of have to get to get to
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: that point to go really deep with your writing, you know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: and honest with that that would be my advice.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And of course I love to blog. It's a love
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: than writing. So do you blog as well or is
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: it mainly all through books?
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: That's mostly through books.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I used to start a blog, but I just sometimes
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I just don't have the time to do that. I'd
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: like to start up a blog and again, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: and maybe or youtubing or something that kind of to
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: put myself out there as a resource for you know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: young authors or other authors, you know, to bounce ideas
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: off or to you know, kind of share how my
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: process goes and my works and different things.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: So and I'll probably do that at some point.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: But all right, now the fun part because you are
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: wearing Arizona State. Oh yeah, I talk to you before
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: we talk about before kickoff, I gotta bring you on.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: What can Giant fans expect from mister Scabadough. I mean,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I was excited when they drafted it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Cam Scataboo. Okay, now there's there's a baller, there's a ballplayer.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I think New York Giants was probably one of the
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: best places for Cam Scataboo because this young man is
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: just tough as nails.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, he just fits the new York Giants.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: You know, idea of what a football player should be.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I've watched I've watched Scataboo for the last couple years
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: at ASU, and what what New York Giant fans should
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: expect is A is a young guy and that's gonna
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: come in there and just be a steamroller, man.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I mean he is.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: What he brings to the game, not just his physicality
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: and his phenomenal athleticism. I mean, I've never seen anyone
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: that can take hits and just bounce off and just
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: keep going, but he brings a leadership, you know, he
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: brings a leadership to uh, you know, to the whole team.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: It's just it's like contagious. His attitude, his leadership is contagious.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of what helped ASU. I mean, Ahu's
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: got a lot of talent besides Cam Skataboo, but he
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: was the heart and soul of that team last year
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: and just fires everybody up, you know, and it just
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: and he's and.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: He was targeted a lot in that championship game. I'm
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: not mistaken too.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean think about the championship game. The
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: championship game. Yeah, he just right off the bat.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, he just comes out busting, you know, busting loose.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: He's hard to say. You're not gonna stop cam Skataboo.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: You can try to contain him, but you're not going
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: to stop him. And the game, you know, the playoff
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: game against Texas, which hardbreaking, but the young man was
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: the MVP, you know, in a loss, you know, because
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: he what he rushed for like one hundred and forty
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: three yards. I think he had ninety nine yards receiving
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: forty two yards. He's passing, he had a two point conversion.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: To you know, honestly, he kept them in the game.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Anything in the game that day, he did. Man, he was.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: He was sick earlier he has had like a stomach
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: bug or something, and then he just like you know,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: hurled it and then got back out there and got
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: to work, you know, and Assue had to catch up
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: because they gave up a cheap punt return and a
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: one big play and then ASU turned it around. The
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: issue put five hundred and ten yards of offense on
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: that NFL type of Texas defense, so they they really
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: came to play. They really you know, punched Texas in
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: the mouth there and took them right to the to
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: the wire. You know, a couple of questionable calls could
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: have definitely changed that game. But just the formans of
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Cam Scataboo that that when you look at that game
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: and watch that game, that's what you're going to get
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: in New York.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: You know, when when he's out, I know he's got
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a hamstring injury here.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Probably injuries are a little weird right now with the Giants.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Maleak's a little hurt, he's a little you know what
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's still enough time to recover. But I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: have to say this, Uh, I'm gonna tag you on
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: this because people where Giant fans have to take this
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: guy's protective, Kevin's protective. He's right there on the ground
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: in Arizona, reporting on on camp for us, and I'm
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: very appreciative about that. If I want to take the
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: other the other sideline, because you've also watched Texas right
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: and we all wondered why Archie Manning didn't really get
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: a snap. I'm very not Archie H.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Young Manning.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, isn't it Archie?
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I think it is your arch Manning. Yeah, I think
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: he's got his Grandpa's name.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. So it is about Arch
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Manning on the other side line, we're all wondering where
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: that Manning is right and wondering when he's gonna get
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: in the game. Look, I loved what Quinn you weres
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: did for Texas. I thought he was very good for them.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: But they could have gone to Manning a little more
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: down the stretch and they just did not, And it
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: was kind of frustrating because hey, we're all manning heights
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: up here, right, But also we want to see if
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: this kid is were drafting. I mean, I think the
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Giants have their eyes on.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Him, yeah, oh oh for sure. And you've got a
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: good one with with Jackson Dart.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, you've got a good young quarterback who's got
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: a lot of fire and spark there. So I think
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: the Giants quarterback room is in pretty good shape as
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: well as they're running back room. But yeah, it makes
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: you wonder, you know, I wondered that too, because it's like,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: you got young Manning there, why, you know, why aren't
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: you giving him more playing time?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: You know, especially on.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: The goal line. I mean, they kept on the Quinn
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and it's like, but Arch could run it right in
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: for you, you know, yeah.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Right right.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: So we're going to get to see I mean, there's
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of pressure on this young man
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: because there's a lot of hype and that's a lot
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: to live up to. Hopefully his coaches, you know, will
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: have him, you know, not distracted from all that talk
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: and chatter and so he can just falls on the game,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: you know, and play the game, you know, just ignore
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: all the all the talk and all the heisman and all.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: The high It's funny because he was I believe either
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Friday or he was not on the first day, but yeah,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: he when you when you got driving on that Saturday,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: he texted me, you're gonna want to watch this team.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I am now a Giant fan. I'm like, oh we
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: converted someone, look at that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, I'm on board, New York Giants.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I'm on board. I'm on board.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be watching every Giant game that I can
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: watch because I love this kid. Cam Scataboo. You guys
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: are gonna fall in love with this kid man because
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: he just doesn't quit. He is just uh, he's just
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: a beast and and he's got that X factor.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Alex.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: You know, like some players are good, but they don't
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: have the X factor. Camp scat who has that X factor?
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And I know that Kenny Dillingham, you know, he he.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Spent you know, he called the coach.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: You know, he called the coach and the giants up
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: and he's and he said, uh, he said, you know what,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: just let cam scattaboy do what he does because he's
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: gonna you know, he's going to influence that team. He's
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: going to fire everybody up. Everyone that's around him just
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: gets fired up. He just has that effect on the team,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: you know. And once he's in there, once he gets
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: his time in there and he's he's healthy and feeling
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: good and stuff, you guys are in for a treat,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: you know, because this kid, he's not the fastest. I mean,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: he's got like a four to six five forty. But
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I have never seen a running back, and I've seen
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: a lot of running backs over the years, and especially
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: at ASU and stuff, I've never seen a running back
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: that has the kind of balance that he has that
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: he can take these hits and just keep pushing forward
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: and you can't tackle him. He just keeps pushing forward.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: He'll find a way. I mean, he's going to be
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: great for the Giants. The Giants running game is going
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: to be great, and I really sees good things happening
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: for New York him.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: The back round is going to be electric. All right.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I got to give a shout out to your head coach,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: because many probably know this. He gave a bonus to
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: everybody on his staff after they advance. How cool is that?
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Kenny Dillingham is the coolest guy out. He's a young coach,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: he's in They're probably the one of youngest coaches in
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: college football right now.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: These kids love.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Him, you know, at a ISSU and and none of
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: them wanted to leave, you know, with the with the
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: nil and the portal and stuff.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: They all wanted to stay.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Even the backup Sims, the quarterbackup quarterback Sims could start
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: anywhere he wants. He started at Nebraska, you know, he
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: he wanted to stay and back up Sam Levitt. You know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Sam Levitt's going to be a high His name is
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: going to be throw thrown out there for Heisman as well.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: You know, they they're load hues loaded at Town.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: That's one of the things people don't understand is they're like, well, skamp.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Scatta who's gone. Now, No, you guys have no idea.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: This A Issue team is going to be even better
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: than last year's A Issue team. They are three deep
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: everywhere they've they're just loaded.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Their defense is going to be one of the best
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: in the country.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: They've pulled in some wide receivers from you know, from
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Alabama and other places that they've upgraded that Sam Levit
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: is gonna have more targets to throw to other than
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Jordan Tyson, who's a first team All American.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: They're gonna make noise, you know. And people are kind
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: of you know, downplaying.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: And not still sure about but A Issue, But I
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: promise you A Issue is going to be right there.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: And I really expect to see them back in the
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Big twelve championship this year. Who they're going to play
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: hard to say. There's so many good teams in the
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Big twelve and it's and it's it's crazy, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of there's probably seven, eight nine teams
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: that could probably get there. But yeah, no, Dillingham has
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: just done an amazing job, you know, at A Issue
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: in such a short period of time.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Well, it's all with Kevin Miller and now with all
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: the sports knowledge, I got to say, you got to
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: write a sports book. Now, that's got to be in
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: your repertoire.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, well, you know what I exactly I'd
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: love to do that. I absolutely love to do that.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Loved I'd love to write Kenny Dillingham story. You know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: he's a guy that that like me. I mean, it's
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: like and I used to coach my brothers and I
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: used to go if we played football, and we coached
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Pop Warner football together and won a lot, and we're
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: all crazed Arizona State Sun Devil fans. And that's who
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Kenny Dillingham is. He's an alumni. He grew up, you know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: in the valley, so he's he's he to you know.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Him getting that job is like me getting that job.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: That's how passionate he is. And he just turned He's
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: getting all kinds of offers and he just turns him down.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: He's like, this is the job I want. This is
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: my dream job for real, this is where I want
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: to be. And he's so passionate about it, and that's
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: contagious to the players. All the players want to be there.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: They love playing for him. These players love each other
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: and playing for each other. And that's what makes championships.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: You know, when a team can play that, you can
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: have all the All stars and stuff you want him.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: You got teams that have all these great players they
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: pulled in, but can they play together? Are they there
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: for the money or are they there for the love
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: of the game and the love of each other?
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: And Ahu has that right now.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: They have that chemistry and that's why they're a dangerous team,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: you know to play.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: So I'm excited.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: I'm very excited for the season and we'll see where
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: she goes and what they can accomplish this year.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: But I'm a big fan out of Dillingham.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, do you know we have a Hurley
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: up here in Yukonnor's one of a few rings already.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but but the Hurley down in a she
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: was an equal. I mean, they're brothers. They're equally passionate
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: about the game, aren't they.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, without a doubt, definitely. Yeah. I mean that
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Attitude just kind of you know, goes through all the
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: coaches and stuff. I mean, and I'm a I'm a
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: fan of Hurlees too, you know, and I think a
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: issue would do well to keep him on, you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: and and because he's done, he's done some good stuff.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: You know, A Issue is not a huge basketball school.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: They never were, you know that that school down south
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: in Tucson that we remains unmentioned that you of a,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: they're usually the basketball school.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: But Issues had some great.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Seasons and I think, you know, Hurley needs to stick
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: around and and they need to pay him and keep
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: him going because I think he's going to do good
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: things and you know, he's already doing some some good
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: work in recruiting.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget when you got beat us to Saint
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: John and I didn't go to Sain John. I love
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Saint John's from them. You guys beat us in the
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: first four when Mullen was coach, and of course Mullen retired,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: you know, left after that. But that was an impressive
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: showing for as you and I think that was the
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: real on the Matt moment.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, without a doubt. I mean, he
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: you know, Hurley's had some good years. You know, he's
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: had a couple of down years and stuff. But that's
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: that's that comes with coaching, you know, I mean, that
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: comes with the you know, you got to reload, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: we all know that everyone's got to reload. But yeah,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: they've they've had some good years and they just need
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: to stick with the guy.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: The guy's a great coach.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: He knows basketball, and he motivates his players, and you
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: know he's.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I know that.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: You know he shows up to the football games too,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: and Dillingham shows up to the basketball games, and they
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: they just all support each other so well, so exciting
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: things happening.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Well on the field, off the field, and in the books.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: It sounds like so very exciting stuff. And remind our
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: listeners one more time where you're going to be doing
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the signing.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me let me pull that up real quick.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: It's uh, let mean you just pull this up real quick,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: and I'll give the exact address right off my website
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: and the information is on my website, author Kevinmiller dot com.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: But it's the Desert Foothills Fest book signing. It's Saturday,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: October eighteenth, from ten am to three pm. It's at
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: the Holland Center in Scottsdale, Arizona. So I'll be out
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: there with all the other authors and there's lots of
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: books and it's the perfect time of year to get
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: out there and you know, get some books for the holidays.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: You know, they make great gifts.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all in Arizona's got to be feel really nice
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: now that it's hot, right, Oh yeah, no.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It stays hot.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: It stays hot until about Halloween, you know, and even
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: growing up here, man, it's warm through even through September
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: and October. But right on Halloween is when it's kind
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: of the switch flips and it gets a little cooler,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: cooler at night, and then from that point on it's
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: it's cold. It gets real cold here, but it's a
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: beautiful time of year.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: While we're on football, is this Kyler's make or break year?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you follow Cardinals football as much? Or yeah?
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: No, I do. I do, And I don't know.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just you know, there's a young man,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: another Heisman winner from Oklahoma, you know that was so
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: full of promise coming to the Cardinals, and you know
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: they've had a lot of struggles, you know, and the
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: and his struggles aren't all his fault, you know, but
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: it's it's hard to say. I mean, I really am
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: just kind of confounded on what he's going to do.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: You know, we're just kinda kind of got to wait
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: and see, you know. And and and I'm waiting for
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison to break out.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, the young man is as talented as his
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: father was, but it's like, okay, man, but what point
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: or you know?
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Well? And I think this generation of Nil kids is
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: a little different because now they're expecting the big pay
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: day and that just means we have more expectations than
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: the fans for them to perform. I mean, there's another.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Dot right right exactly, So a lot of pressure there.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: So I hope.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, I'm I like the Cardinals, you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I've liked him since they've been here and stuff, and
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I've tried hard to be a fan, you know, and
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: and I am a fan, but but they've kind of,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: you know, they kind of break our hearts sometimes, you know.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: But but I'm definitely a Giants fan this year.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm watching cam skataboo and we'll see where
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: that goes and stuff.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I wish the Cardinals, but I hope
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: they have a good season.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: I hope Kyler can turn it around and and be
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: the quarterback that he, you know, has the potential to be,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: you know, he's he's a talented young man.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, they look strong in preseason, so we'll
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: have to see both teams did so, yeah, they.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Really do, they really do.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: So I think it's going to be a good year
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: for football all around. And I am just chomping at
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: the bed on Saturdays to kick off or you know issues.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: First game again the Northern Arizona University, which is not
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: a bad team. They they're you know, they're D two,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: but they're ranked at D two and they won nine
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: games last year, so it won't be a cake walk,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: but a issue should handle them pretty well. And then
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: they'll be off to Mississippi State, which you know they
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: should take that game too. But I imagine after this week,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: I think Miami's going to lose, and I think ASU
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: will move up from eleventh and tenth and break the
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: top ten.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just, you know, they just got to.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Well right, especially because their big year last year, so
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: it can happen again. Sure, Kevin, I really appreciate this.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: And next episode we have you, they will do one
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: more promo about what's going on in October for people
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to freshen their minds about I want to get into
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: your coaching style and how maybe you brought that coaching
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: into your writing as well. Is there a correlation?
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, probably so, I mean when I
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: think about it, because just our mindset, you know, my
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: brothers and I we kind of That's why I kind
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: of like Kenny Dillingham, because we kind of had that
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: same mindset. We we got the kids just so excited
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: to play that we.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Would have young young men play.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Above their talent, you know, just just having fun with them.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: And you know, we would teach them.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Things sometimes by just like having fumble drills. We'd throw
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: the ball in the mud and let them them mothers
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: hated it, but the kids loved it and they're and
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: we never lost a fumble, and we would on side
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: kick a lot at that level, and we recover it
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: quite a bit because they knew how to recover a fumble,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and just and they were having fun so
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: much fun, they didn't realize they were learning something, you know,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: because we had fun just kind of playing through them living.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: My favorite my favorite thing in football is not so
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: much the mud, but in the snow. That's when I
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: love to play.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys got the snow
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: back there.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad and I used to play in the
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: courtyard of NYU where I went to pre k although
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, in my teens, and we'd play
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: when there was snow and it was one of my
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: favorite things. So I can't imagine excited the kids get
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: roll around trying to get that ball. It's it's got
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: to be fun to watch.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Oh no, it's so much fun. And what's really rewarding.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I know our years of Pop Warner coach and was
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: when we have that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Kid, you know, that shy kid that kind of you know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: it is kind of a little fraid to contact and stuff.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: And you just work with them and work and you
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: see him progress.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: And and you know, I had one kid, his name
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: was Matt Gaalbert Man, and I worked at it because
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I played wide receiver in defensive back, so I was
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: working with him at defensive back. And by the end
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: of the year he had like six interceptions. And the
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: kid went on to play high school football, which he probably.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't have, you know, And and he was he was good.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: And and and one father came up when with his
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: little boy, he was struggling in school, and.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: He says he goes.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: You know what, I got to give you guys credit
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: because his confidence is so high right now that all
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: he's pulled all his grades up. They were going to
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: put him in special classes and now he's got good grades,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: and that just touches my heart. That's what coaching is
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: all about, you know, is just seeing young young men
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: and our young women, you know, just rise above themselves
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: and be successful and find that confidence in themselves. You know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: That's that's what we try to instill.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: And when you do there in your conference, Oklahoma softball
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: is really amazing, by the way, and you're you know,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma softball is fun to watch, so I'm glad to
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: get the women too. Hey. Yeah, No, let's have a
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: bigger conversation on this because we can. I always think
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: a fall and I always listen to a Bob Wolfe's
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: son Rick Rick Wolf when you used to do a
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: show on w f A N about youth sports. And
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: we don't have that conversation anymore, a because unfortunately Rick
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Wolf passed. But b no one wants to talk about
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: how we can invigorate the youth sports incentives, about how
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: bad it is, how the coaches are, or how the
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: umpires and reps don't want to play do it anymore?
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: We can vitalize it just through these conversations of yes,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: sports is healthy for the kid, and they have to
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: be allowed to play it.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's such a vital it's such a to
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: me as such a vital uh, you know, the aspect
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: to to development, you know, to develop in our young
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: people the sports, you know, sports sports, sports is just
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: a metaphor for life, you know. And they learned so much,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: you know, being part of a team, you know, and
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: how to how to interact, you know, and have a hed,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: have each other's back, you know, how to overcome adversity.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: You know, there's every lesson in life can be learned
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: through sports, you know.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think it's how much And life is
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: so much bigger than baseball and jazz chism is one
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: hundredth career homer. What do you do on the bench?
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: He hugged all of his very emotional moment, because you're
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: a guy like many others, whose life is bigger than baseball,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: and yet here he is thriving at the game he loves.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: It's just it's so cool to see these stories unfolding
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: right here. In New York and now with Scataboo, we're
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: going to see how it correlates. And you know, this
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: NFL is not an easy transition, neither of the NBA. Nope,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I remember tell I'll tell the story till till the
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: day I can't. Tyler Hansborough stand out UNC ends up
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: packing groceries. Yeah, ends up packing groceries because he couldn't
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: make it the NBA. It's just funny how these things
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: end up.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Camp Scattaboo was a zero star recruit out of high school.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Nobody who recruited him. Sacramento State finally gave him an
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: offer and he played there for a year before he
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: transferred to ASU, before Kenny Dillingham discovered him and convinced
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: him to come to ASU.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: He's been disrespected his whole life. That's that's part of
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: what motivates.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: That young man is he's constantly proving he's That's why
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: he made the statement before Texas saying I'm the best
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: running back in the country, and it's like, wow, man,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: you're really throwing the galllet down the Texas a defense,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: But he went out there and proved it. You know,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: he went out there and proved it on the field,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: you know. But uh yeah, I mean it's it's and
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: that there's a guy who you would think wouldn't make it,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: but there he is. He's a New York giant, you know,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: so works.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I love the first impression he made that you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: kind of hype video and whatnot of him coming to
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: New York. So gotta love his energy already. All right, Kevin,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: we're gonna follow you back. You know, We're gonna promote
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: your Instagram, your x account, your everything, because you deserve
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: to be shouted out, so we're gonna do that. Also,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: thanks for having writers have One Leg Up on life
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, man, I appreciated, Alex, I really do.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: It's good great talking to you again. It's been too long.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: We need to do this a little more often.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Well, now I know that you were a coach, we
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: got to do some breakdowns and stuff as the weeks
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: go on. I'd love to do that.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yep, absolutely, we'd love it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: That's Keller on One Leg Up Network. I'm Alex Carrett.