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The Great End Times Confusion · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast. Well,
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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast today, Gary, Here, we are, Here,
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Speaker 1: we are. This is going to be a great programs.
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Speaker 1: There's so much going on in the news and last week.
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Speaker 1: I'd love to get your thoughts on some of these topics,
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Speaker 1: because when we think about China, the Kings of the
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Speaker 1: East and their latest connections with Russia, just in general,
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Speaker 1: if I just throw China biblically, what do you think?
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Speaker 1: What's China? What are they going to do? Are they
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Speaker 1: going to be a power player in the end?
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Speaker 2: Well, China has made food stuffs, automobiles, electronics, and you
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Speaker 2: name it, parts for cars, Strategic production lines in China
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Speaker 2: that go all over the world, but especially to the
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Speaker 2: United States. And when we think of China, we think
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Speaker 2: of well, they are manufactors and exporters and we buy
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Speaker 2: what they built. But lately we're hearing that China is
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Speaker 2: doing some dealing with people in the Middle East, very
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Speaker 2: powerful voices. China is changing it's import export routine, and
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Speaker 2: most of all, they're enlarging their army.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean here we are the second largest economy
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Speaker 1: in the world, certainly in nuclear power. That I think
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Speaker 1: in many ways they hold the United States hostage in
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Speaker 1: what we've been seeing in some of the rare earth
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Speaker 1: minerals that are required for all the batteries. It's weaponry.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we need these minerals and they are the
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Speaker 1: largest distributor. It's interesting lately too, after our debacle in Afghanistan,
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Speaker 1: China comes swooping in and recognizes to some degree the
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Speaker 1: Taliban government, but right at the front they make an
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Speaker 1: agreement that they will invest in their infrastructure to help
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Speaker 1: them mine. The other place in the world that is
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Speaker 1: is very well known for rare earth elements is Afghanistan,
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Speaker 1: and China right swooped right on in there. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it seems like we're getting outplayed at every turn by
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Speaker 1: the other government's superpowers of the world.
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Speaker 2: The Chinese are aggressive, a very very aggressive people. And
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Speaker 2: there's another note that we should talk about in that
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Speaker 2: is that the military budget in China has been boosted
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Speaker 2: some say by seven point two percent. And we look
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Speaker 2: over there and why would they be doing that, and
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Speaker 2: why would they?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, well I think that's the question. And ultimately,
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Speaker 1: when you come to the end of the age, there's
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Speaker 1: not a lot about China I know Bob McGinnis wrote
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Speaker 1: a book recently on China and interviewing him about that.
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Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot specifically in the Bible except you
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Speaker 1: see this phrase, the Kings of the East at the
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Speaker 1: end are players. They are major players that come and
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Speaker 1: try to challenge the hegemony of the anti Christ. They're
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Speaker 1: causing him trouble during that age.
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Speaker 2: And they're doing ship building in China. When you think
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Speaker 2: of China, you don't think of people who are building
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Speaker 2: a lot of military ships. Talk about aircraft carriers what
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Speaker 2: used to be called destroyers, but they're not anymore. They
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Speaker 2: carry much, much, much more powerful weapons now rockets, long
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Speaker 2: range rockets, some ICBMs. They carry all kinds of things
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Speaker 2: that we haven't even dreamed of. And the Chinese are
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Speaker 2: building rapidly, building a very strong they say, the world's
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Speaker 2: number one navy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well here we are, right. So you have Russia
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Speaker 1: doing what it's doing in Ukraine. Who knows the end
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Speaker 1: of that. But China has been very reluctant to criticize
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Speaker 1: Russia because they have their own Ukraine in the sense
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Speaker 1: of Taiwan. So they've had their eyes on Taiwan. You
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Speaker 1: talk about their navy. They're patrolling those waters. And it's
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Speaker 1: interesting that if they criticize Russia now, then Russia I
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Speaker 1: might criticize them later if they tend to do the
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Speaker 1: same thing and attack Taiwan to try to regain territory.
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Speaker 1: So it's interesting how these countries are very self serving.
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Speaker 1: They don't really care much about human rights obviously, but
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Speaker 1: they're looking for their own agendas. It's power, it's power.
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Speaker 2: It's power. There's a Chinese foreign minister, I just having
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Speaker 2: a note in front of me. His name is King Gong,
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Speaker 2: if I'm pronouncing it correctly, and he there's a quote
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Speaker 2: attributed to him lately. If the United States does not
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Speaker 2: hit the brakes but continues to speed down the wrong path,
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Speaker 2: he says, no amount of guardrails can prevent derailing, which
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Speaker 2: is war talk, and there surely will be conflict and confrontation.
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Speaker 2: So that here we have a very high, highly positioned
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Speaker 2: Chinese leader shaking his finger at the United States. What
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Speaker 2: do you think about that?
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, and I guess we think about it
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Speaker 1: in terms of prophetically, how does this you know, we're
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Speaker 1: not just newspaper exegutes here, but we're recognizing that Jesus
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Speaker 1: said at the end of the age, one of the
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Speaker 1: characteristics would be wars and rumors of wars. So actual
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Speaker 1: wars and rumors of wars. And we see that in
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Speaker 1: the beginning Revelation six right there, there's wars all over
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Speaker 1: the place to take peace from the earth. But so
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Speaker 1: in order to have those kind of significant wars, you
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Speaker 1: need these players, these major players. So there's no doubt
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Speaker 1: when we see the rise of China and even Russia
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Speaker 1: and the United States, will these power players this time?
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Speaker 1: I think my age, you know, I'm forty eight, but
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Speaker 1: watching over the past in my lifetime, there isn't There's
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Speaker 1: been a little confrontations, but there's been no world wars
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Speaker 1: in my life. No Korean War, you know, no Vietnam War.
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Speaker 1: I mean maybe it was born, but so I don't
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Speaker 1: really know war in this sense of my experience.
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Speaker 2: And this generation has had a very soft, sort of
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Speaker 2: a gentle but nevertheless constant let down from a very
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Speaker 2: high position in the globe global alliances to a very
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Speaker 2: low position because we have leadership problems, we have political
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Speaker 2: internal political problems. We now have economic problems, and they
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Speaker 2: are all building. And this generation, the generation that might
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Speaker 2: encompass your age. Yeah, is saying, what in the world
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Speaker 2: is this? Well, to find out, they would have to
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Speaker 2: turn the history books back to about nineteen twenty, twenty five,
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Speaker 2: twenty eight up to thirty eight and look at what
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Speaker 2: was happening.
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Speaker 1: Then, yeah, absolutely, And we're going to talk a little
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Speaker 1: bit in one of our next topics is a propaganda
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Speaker 1: but and how that works. But one of the things
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Speaker 1: that came up this week recently was China brokering a
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Speaker 1: deal between Saudi Arabia and Iran. And for our listeners,
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Speaker 1: it's important to note that you know, we have the
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Speaker 1: Abrahamic Accords. Israel has been trying to get Saudi Arabia
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Speaker 1: to join on those and Saudi Arabia has been reluctant,
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Speaker 1: and the main joint coalition is basically Israel, Saudi Arabia
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Speaker 1: and others in their block against Iran. So now to
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Speaker 1: see China broker disagreement between Saudi Arabia and Iran is
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Speaker 1: really shocking. Number One shows the United States being left
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Speaker 1: out of the loop, even the European Union. It shows
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Speaker 1: the importance of China. But Saudi Arabia, they have distanced
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Speaker 1: themselves from the United States as being a partner that
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Speaker 1: they can trust. Of course, there's accusations of things of
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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia killing one of their citizens journalists, but that
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Speaker 1: goes back a couple of years. But you see the
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Speaker 1: fact that Saudi Arabia would turn to China and to
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Speaker 1: make this potential agreement with Iran where they're going to
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Speaker 1: now share ambassadors and embassies. That's a big deal for
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Speaker 1: the Middle East. Now here's a question I have and
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Speaker 1: I hope you can answer this one. How can China,
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Speaker 1: which is essentially an atheist country or a country of
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Speaker 1: religious tradition very quietly practiced undercover, getting close to the
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Speaker 1: Middle East Arabs? They have a Muslim background that's very
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Speaker 1: very stiff. What they believe, they believe, and they don't
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Speaker 1: allow their beliefs to be compromised. And yet here come
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Speaker 1: the Chinese. What's happening? You know? Sadly, Gary, I think,
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Speaker 1: and you would, I know you'd agree with me because
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Speaker 1: it's scripture. But for Tew of these six the love
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Speaker 1: of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
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Speaker 1: So here you have China being willing to partner and
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Speaker 1: to buy Saudi Arabian oil and also trade and other
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Speaker 1: things certainly. I ran that that to me, that's why
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Speaker 1: China has a particle, because China has also a large
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Speaker 1: They have a large economy, no doubt, and money, money
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Speaker 1: drives a train. What I think is interesting is that recently,
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Speaker 1: I'll read you a couple of things here, Saudi Arabia
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Speaker 1: said that we will not become partners on the Abrahamic
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Speaker 1: Accords with Israel unless the United States has a security agreement.
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Speaker 1: There's three things that Saudi Arabia said, and this is
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Speaker 1: where China comes into play, where they kind of did
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Speaker 1: a double deal. They said, we will not do it
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Speaker 1: unless we have a security agreement with the United States.
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Speaker 1: We will not agree to the abraham Accords with Israel.
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Speaker 1: This is Saudi Arabia unless the United States gives us
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Speaker 1: a civiliar nuclear program. And number three, that they will
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Speaker 1: reduce restrictions on US arm sales. That's it. So the
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Speaker 1: Biden administration is saying, well, we don't know if we
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Speaker 1: want to give them all of that. Well, Saudi Arabia says, well,
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Speaker 1: then there's no peace with Israel. But then so now
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Speaker 1: if Saudi Arabia, are they really going to get buddy
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Speaker 1: even buddy with Iran? I'm pretty skeptical. Even though we
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Speaker 1: have this agreement by China, I don't see it.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the one that says no arms restrictions.
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Speaker 2: All you have to do is look behind the curtain,
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Speaker 2: and the arms race is on in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Iranians are they either say we have the bomb or
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Speaker 2: we will have it day after tomorrow, and they're saying
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Speaker 2: we're there, we're nuclear now. So there is a huge
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Speaker 2: arms race in the Mid East and it's financed by oil.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it is ironically here, we are here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And so what I see is that this agreement is
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Speaker 1: is contributing to the overall tension and really I would
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Speaker 1: say confusion because it seems like the current administration just
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Speaker 1: doesn't understand the religious aspect of all the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: But it's also going to contribute to what we know
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Speaker 1: is a potential sal Maty three situation with Damascus even
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Speaker 1: easy kill thirty eight. And you have Russia Iran now
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Speaker 1: totally in agreement with one another, signed agreements of security agreements.
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Speaker 1: So what is it? Is it really peace? No? It
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Speaker 1: actually increases the tension with Israel. Of course, that's why
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Speaker 1: we're interested. Is in many ways is Israel's right at
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Speaker 1: the center.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Ukraine goes all the way from Cairo, past
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Speaker 2: the eastern shore of the Mediterranean to see and northward
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Speaker 2: through the Caspian and Black Season all the way up
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Speaker 2: to Moscow and Kiev, and that whole line. If you
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Speaker 2: draw a line from Cairo to Moscow, yeah, and it
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Speaker 2: goes right through Israel. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: These these increased sessions. So as we continue to watch this,
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Speaker 1: this this latest thing, it's it's no surprise. Another topic
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Speaker 1: which I think is that came up this week is
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Speaker 1: it's just another sign area of our Romans one culture
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Speaker 1: in that we know in Romans one, twenty four, twenty six,
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Speaker 1: and twenty eight.
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Speaker 2: Yes, we do.
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Speaker 1: All make the description that God has that God will
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Speaker 1: abandon a culture that removes it removes him from the center.
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Speaker 1: But I'll read you headline, Jill Biden presents a biological
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Speaker 1: male with an International woman of Women of Courage Award
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Speaker 1: and during Women's History Month, and here it says Arkansas
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Speaker 1: Governor Sarah Huckabee responded, It's International Women's Day, a good
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Speaker 1: time to remember that democrats can't even tell you what
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Speaker 1: a woman is. So here we are with what we
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Speaker 1: understand biblically. I mean, what's the biblical framework, Gary, I mean,
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Speaker 1: we're not picking on anybody, but there is a biblical
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Speaker 1: framework here.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've got my thumb right here on Romans one
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Speaker 2: six for this cause, God gave them up to vile affections.
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Speaker 2: That's the words that's used for even their women. Didn't
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Speaker 2: change the natural use into that which is against nature.
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Speaker 2: In other words, what's illustrated here in the Bible is
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Speaker 2: a swapping of sex's done back in the days prior
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Speaker 2: to the coming of Jesus. His first coming came to
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Speaker 2: that kind of world, and many of the countries, the Romans, Greeks,
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Speaker 2: many many of other countries practiced what we see developing
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Speaker 2: in our country right now. And it's a mark of decadence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, since you got your bible open there,
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Speaker 1: read if you don't mind, let's read Romans one eighteen
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Speaker 1: through twenty. That's such a great introduction to what we
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Speaker 1: have in the rest of the passages.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I can do that. For the wrath of God.
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Speaker 2: This is the eighteenth verse of Romans One is revealed
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Speaker 2: from Heaven against all ungodliness, unrighteousness of men who hold
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Speaker 2: the truth in unrighteousness. That is the restrain suppress it. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: the truth second the next verse, because that which may
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Speaker 2: be known of God is manifest in them, for God
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Speaker 2: hath showed it to them. In other words, they know better,
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Speaker 2: for the invisible things of Him are seen in the
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Speaker 2: creation of from the creation of the world, are creally
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Speaker 2: clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
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Speaker 2: even His eternal power in Godhead. So they are without excuse,
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Speaker 2: because when they knew God, they glorified him, not as God.
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Speaker 2: Neither were they thankful, but became vain in their imagination.
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Speaker 2: Their foolish heart was darkened. It's a downward spiral.
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Speaker 1: We're downward spiral.
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Speaker 2: And I hate to say it that I'm seeing a
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Speaker 2: downward spiral right now in our world, not just America.
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Speaker 2: I think Europe certainly, in the countries the Mid East, certainly,
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Speaker 2: the Kings of the East. Downward spiral.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting too, because I remember I graduated in nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety two, Okay, so that just for the sake of
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Speaker 1: which is thirty thirty one years ago almost, And when
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Speaker 1: I was in high school, I didn't know a single
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Speaker 1: person that and I've had a big high school. It's
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Speaker 1: a thousand kids. I mean, that was decent, but I
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Speaker 1: didn't know a single one of our friends that or
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Speaker 1: anybody that identified as being gay zero. I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: it didn't exist, but I'm just saying that there was
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Speaker 1: in my workings, but it wasn't long, probably within five
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Speaker 1: ten years, you know, lots of friends because I had
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Speaker 1: younger sisters. It's like the switch was turned. And over
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Speaker 1: the last twenty five years, even going to twenty ten,
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Speaker 1: on this idea of gender confusion, it's like it it's
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Speaker 1: been turned on steroids. Now the total confusion, and probably
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Speaker 1: a lot of that has to do with the increase
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Speaker 1: of social media, for sure, but it you just read
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Speaker 1: it and we know in Matthew nineteen, Jesus said in
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Speaker 1: the beginning, just Jesus. So if you want to argue,
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Speaker 1: you can argue with Jesus. In the beginning. God made
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Speaker 1: them male and female, and he talked about marriage in
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Speaker 1: that chapter. It's between one male and one female. And
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Speaker 1: we don't apologize because that's God's standard, that's his creations.
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Speaker 2: There sure, and there should any confusion in fact, and
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Speaker 2: you've been through all through the Bible, from Genesis to
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Speaker 2: Revelation and every book of the Bible is a shall
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Speaker 2: we say, a strengthening of sexual identity, men or men,
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Speaker 2: women or women. No other way or if there is
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Speaker 2: another way, it doesn't last for long. So the Bible
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Speaker 2: is a model of human relationships, and that model was
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Speaker 2: accepted until very very recently. That's what you're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what I'm talking and how it's gone, it's
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Speaker 1: gone so crazy. I remember I've heard this before, but
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Speaker 1: maybe not here in the podcast where when Supreme Court
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Speaker 1: nominee Jackson was being interviewed here however long ago, there
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Speaker 1: was a year ago. They asked her, can you define
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Speaker 1: a woman? And she said, well, I'm not a biologist,
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Speaker 1: and they were, you know, certainly they were seeking to
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Speaker 1: expose her views. But it was interesting to me that
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Speaker 1: she didn't mean it. We know her her views. She's she's,
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Speaker 1: she's she's kind of if you want to say, left,
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Speaker 1: but even her very nature her. What I'm saying is
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Speaker 1: her word slipped because I wanted if I was there,
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Speaker 1: I'd be like, hey, hey, let it be for the
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Speaker 1: record that she said that womanhood is defined by biology.
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Speaker 1: Now if that's not what she believes, but she said it.
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Speaker 1: She didn't say well, I'm not a psychologist. Ah, she said,
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Speaker 1: I'm not a biologist, and you're like ding ding ding.
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Speaker 1: She got it right that if you go to the
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Speaker 1: Book of Genesis, chapter one, and I remind people this
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Speaker 1: that the scripture is so beautifully clear that today you
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Speaker 1: go to the psychologist and you tell them some you know,
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Speaker 1: a child that's confused through social media. Hey, I'm feeling
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Speaker 1: that in my in my soul that I'm this, I'm
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Speaker 1: i'm i'm I'm a woman trapped in a man's body
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Speaker 1: or vice versa. Well, if you go to if we
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Speaker 1: go by Supreme Court Jackson, she said that woman has
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Speaker 1: defined bibology. We would agree that that's biblical trure, even
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Speaker 1: though she didn't mean it. Well, if you go to
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Speaker 1: Genesis one, what I'd like to ask is what came first,
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Speaker 1: adams biology or his psychology? Hm, his biology came first.
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Speaker 1: Remember that God created him out of the out of
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Speaker 1: the dust. He's there, he's got a body, he's got
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Speaker 1: all the things that males have. And then he God
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Speaker 1: breathed into him the breath of life which creates this soul.
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Speaker 1: And he wakes up and he looks around. It's like, well, look,
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Speaker 1: I'm a male because because of his biology.
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Speaker 2: Someday we'll have to talk about what is a liberal.
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Speaker 2: But Sarah Huckabee Lers on International Women's Day made this statement, Sarah,
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Speaker 2: Sarah by the way, very powerful speaker, governor or Arkansas,
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Speaker 2: and she said, quote, it is International Women's Day, A
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Speaker 2: good time to remember the Democrats cannot even tell you
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Speaker 2: what a woman end quote. And I mean she delivered
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Speaker 2: that with a smile, little.
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Speaker 1: Sense of humor, little sense of humor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we all are doing that these days. We're
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Speaker 2: all kind of saying, well, such and such as happening, smile, smile,
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Speaker 2: but inside we're not smiling.
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Speaker 1: You know, we're not. And I feel bad for my
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Speaker 1: grandson and his generation. But it's interesting again, Gary goes
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Speaker 1: back to first Timothy six. You think, well, what do
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Speaker 1: you mean, well, the love of money. It's interesting that
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest contributors to this agenda would be
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Speaker 1: no surprises, the pharmaceutical companies. Why well, you start getting
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Speaker 1: millions and millions of kids hooked on hormone blockers and
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Speaker 1: surgeries and all of the things that need to go
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Speaker 1: along with that. There are hundreds and hundreds of millions
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Speaker 1: of dollars to be made on encouraging this type of change.
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Speaker 1: When when when you do a a a change in
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Speaker 1: the sense of having your your sex change or going
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Speaker 1: in for surgery, or even the getting a ten year
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Speaker 1: old on these puberty blockers gender altering surgeries, who who
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Speaker 1: stands to gain? These pharmaceutical companies and so they are
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent on board in promoting and giving money
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Speaker 1: as we know lobbyists to certain groups or politicians that
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Speaker 1: will promote this. But states are fighting back.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you look at the at the basis of
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Speaker 2: this whole thing, I think there's something that we don't
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Speaker 2: talk about very often except Sunday in church we talk
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Speaker 2: about man's spiritual foundations. And we all agree, all of
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Speaker 2: us Christians agree that our strength is built on a
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Speaker 2: spiritual foundation, not a financial one, not a historical one
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Speaker 2: really in some boys may be, but historically only because
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Speaker 2: people used to hold to Christian principles. But what we
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Speaker 2: have here is a program, if you will, and it's
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Speaker 2: become global, which is weakening the foundation of Christianity, which
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Speaker 2: holds up the premise male and female. He created them,
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Speaker 2: and it says it plainly. The Bible tells us who
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Speaker 2: we are, what we should cultivate, but in terms of
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Speaker 2: belief systems, how we should behave according to our fellow man,
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Speaker 2: or in conjunction with our relationships. And it has all
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Speaker 2: of those answers, and to some degree, to a greater
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Speaker 2: or lesser extent, those have been followed. Now and suddenly
21:49
Speaker 2: it's like somebody pulled a string and said, no more,
21:53
Speaker 2: no more biblical principles for us. And there's anger on
21:56
Speaker 2: the other side. Now when Christians stand up and make
22:00
Speaker 2: a statement, there's an angry response from the right the left. Time.
22:06
Speaker 2: Pardon me, and something has changed. You know, I'm sitting
22:11
Speaker 2: in my chair at home, but I'm thinking, looking at sailing,
22:14
Speaker 2: something has changed. What is it? I go through this
22:16
Speaker 2: exercise all the time.
22:19
Speaker 1: Well goes back to what you just read in the
22:21
Speaker 1: Romans one that Jesus, as we know from John one
22:24
Speaker 1: Hebrews one, Jesus is the creator right, He's created all
22:26
Speaker 1: things right. And so Jesus said, this is how I
22:30
Speaker 1: created in the beginning. But the culture now is saying,
22:33
Speaker 1: to heck with you, Jesus, we don't care what you've said.
22:36
Speaker 1: We're going to disregard it. And Jesus's heart is love,
22:40
Speaker 1: so it is our heart. I mean, our goal is
22:43
Speaker 1: to encourage and to teach and to try to bring
22:45
Speaker 1: people back to the Creator, which according to Romans One,
22:48
Speaker 1: they've rejected and as they reject the Creator and they
22:51
Speaker 1: suppressed that truth based on social media and other confusing things.
22:56
Speaker 1: God just says, you know, if you're going to reject me,
22:58
Speaker 1: then I'm just gonna got God's just going to stand
23:01
Speaker 1: back and let it go. But I'll read you a
23:03
Speaker 1: couple other little things. Iowa has a group of eight
23:07
Speaker 1: representatives in the state legislature introduced two bills that would
23:11
Speaker 1: protect reugious religious liberty in the state and a firm
23:15
Speaker 1: marriage as a solemnized union between one human biological male
23:18
Speaker 1: and one human biological female. The other one is dedicated
23:22
Speaker 1: to banning same sex marriage. Its companion bill would nullify
23:27
Speaker 1: the Respect for Marriage Acts encroachment on religious liberties by
23:31
Speaker 1: declaring it would have no effect whatsoever. Also, we see
23:34
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, Tennessee Governor Bill recently signed. Governor Bill Lee
23:39
Speaker 1: recently signed two bills protecting children by banning puberty blockers,
23:43
Speaker 1: gender altering surgeries, and drag queen performances. This bill gives
23:48
Speaker 1: confidence to parents that they can take their kids to
23:50
Speaker 1: a public or private show and will not be blindsided
23:53
Speaker 1: by a sexualized performance. So you do have some of
23:55
Speaker 1: these states pushing back. You do.
23:58
Speaker 2: Now, I have a question for you. When you went
24:01
Speaker 2: through school, how many dragon queens would they bring in?
24:03
Speaker 1: I don't remember any, Gary, I don't remember a single
24:07
Speaker 1: one back then, not a single one. No, no, no.
24:10
Speaker 2: In fact, nobody even talked about it. It would be
24:13
Speaker 2: one of those conversations that was sort of blocked, and
24:17
Speaker 2: that was that. Yep, we don't talk about things like
24:20
Speaker 2: that here. But now we not only talk about them,
24:23
Speaker 2: we demonstrate them absolutely.
24:25
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the way that our culture is going,
24:27
Speaker 1: and we recognize it as being again a disregard for
24:30
Speaker 1: the natural order. On another topic, which kind of coincides
24:34
Speaker 1: with I, Gary, is we have this biblical standard, and
24:38
Speaker 1: what's the response. I imagine the biblical standard is that people
24:42
Speaker 1: would call Jesus homophobic, they would call his language hate speech,
24:46
Speaker 1: which we know He's God is love and Jesus is
24:49
Speaker 1: the essence of love. And so you have this labeling
24:52
Speaker 1: it and what we see even I'd be surprised again
24:55
Speaker 1: if if maybe some of the stuff that we say
24:57
Speaker 1: today doesn't get sparked. But again, our motive, let people
25:00
Speaker 1: hear it clearer, motive is love. But another article that
25:04
Speaker 1: just came up is talking about the Department of Homeland
25:08
Speaker 1: Security is running these domestic intelligence gathering things. And so
25:16
Speaker 1: the point being is that they are using this software,
25:20
Speaker 1: they're using artificial intelligence. They're using it to deep fake videos,
25:25
Speaker 1: They're doing it to create situations where they can censor
25:29
Speaker 1: now through algorithms. Again, whether this makes it through. This
25:32
Speaker 1: is an artificial intelligence algorithm that is done by Google
25:37
Speaker 1: and other companies, so that here we are talking about
25:39
Speaker 1: something free speech whatever, and these systems now are coming
25:44
Speaker 1: in place that can censor us just from speaking scripture.
25:51
Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to ask you a question. Do you
25:54
Speaker 2: remember a couple of books written a long, long, long
25:57
Speaker 2: time ago, back in the fifties and released about social control?
26:03
Speaker 1: I certainly think I know where you're going.
26:05
Speaker 2: Where am I going?
26:06
Speaker 1: Possibly nineteen eighty four? Nineteen eighty four, And what's the
26:10
Speaker 1: other one? If you said it, I'll know it. It's
26:13
Speaker 1: not probably Brave New World?
26:15
Speaker 2: Brave New World? Is it?
26:16
Speaker 1: Okay?
26:16
Speaker 2: All right? But there were several and they were afraid
26:20
Speaker 2: of something back in the fifties, sixties and leading up
26:23
Speaker 2: into the eighties among authors in Britain Eastern United States.
26:30
Speaker 2: They were afraid that a power group, a power struggle,
26:36
Speaker 2: would result in total social control, even including that which
26:41
Speaker 2: is spoken, that which is seen, that which is allowed,
26:46
Speaker 2: and there would be departments stationed all over these countries
26:50
Speaker 2: and all these novels that were written back in that era.
26:54
Speaker 2: Were afraid that the government will become so powerful that
26:58
Speaker 2: they would be able to control you completely. Sound familiar, Yeah, well.
27:04
Speaker 1: This is what you have within the government itself. With
27:08
Speaker 1: here's the Federalists reporting that the FBI's DC Field office
27:12
Speaker 1: directed the Boston office to open investigations and the more
27:15
Speaker 1: than hunter Americans who had attended the January sixth rally,
27:18
Speaker 1: despite having no evidence those individuals had committed any crime.
27:23
Speaker 1: The Daily Signal reports President jos Biden's proposed twenty twenty
27:26
Speaker 1: four budget calls for investing huge sums of money into
27:28
Speaker 1: the Just Department's Civil Rights Division, the same division disproportionately
27:33
Speaker 1: targeting pro life activists with Freedom of Access to Clinic
27:37
Speaker 1: Entrances Act charges as a response to overturn the Rowly Weight.
27:41
Speaker 1: So what do you have now? Of course, what you
27:43
Speaker 1: just described in nineteen eighty four and others. It's not
27:46
Speaker 1: just that these technologies exist, but that they would be
27:48
Speaker 1: utilized by official government agencies the government itself.
27:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, byoficial government agencies, meaning power lodged at at very
27:59
Speaker 2: high levels within the government. And it's difficult to draw
28:05
Speaker 2: a line between power at very high levels and dictatorship.
28:11
Speaker 2: The distance between those two states is very, very slim, indeed,
28:16
Speaker 2: and I think many people today are afraid that they're
28:19
Speaker 2: of mass dictatorships all over the world. We seem to
28:22
Speaker 2: be trending in that direction. Coupled with artificial intelligence, coupled
28:28
Speaker 2: with satellites observing everybody's move twenty four to seven, not
28:34
Speaker 2: just satellites, but the networks that the satellites talk to,
28:38
Speaker 2: and you've got a global spy system. Artificial intelligence can
28:44
Speaker 2: see you walking down the street and bam, within milliseconds,
28:48
Speaker 2: suddenly they know your name, when you were born, where
28:51
Speaker 2: you live, what you do, what you don't do, what
28:53
Speaker 2: you like, what you don't like, and they've got you nailed.
28:57
Speaker 2: And to me, this sounds this hearkens back to those
29:00
Speaker 2: old novels written years ago. The government, big brother is watching.
29:05
Speaker 2: You know what? Can we say?
29:08
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I've been doing some podcasts recently on a
29:12
Speaker 1: different format, but on the open AI, the chat GPT
29:16
Speaker 1: four point zero. They just came out that they upgraded
29:18
Speaker 1: it from the three point five version, and they were
29:21
Speaker 1: doing tests with this artificial intelligence where the previous one
29:27
Speaker 1: it got bad grade. It tried to take a bar
29:30
Speaker 1: exam to pass it and it failed. But this new
29:34
Speaker 1: one passed with a ninety percent score. So when we
29:37
Speaker 1: look at these artificial intelligence, they're able to take the SAT,
29:42
Speaker 1: the Graduate record examination, They're able to take all these tests.
29:46
Speaker 1: And the ability of the AI, the artificial intelligence to
29:50
Speaker 1: learn and to grow. It's amazing too that I've been
29:54
Speaker 1: watching some of these tests where the developers there and
29:58
Speaker 1: he goes, well, let's he put in if you pay
30:02
Speaker 1: the money, this is tremendous. You can put in up
30:06
Speaker 1: to fifty pages of request and you can ask it.
30:10
Speaker 1: I want you to create a create a program using
30:14
Speaker 1: Sequel to create this this this with these parameters, and
30:19
Speaker 1: you put it in there, you hit enter, it whips out.
30:22
Speaker 1: Now you have this artificial intelligence that is creating software
30:26
Speaker 1: programs of your liking. And so you think about the businesses.
30:30
Speaker 1: There's many banks that are now using this to create
30:32
Speaker 1: their own software. It's amazing the unlimited ability that now
30:37
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have to hire a programmer necessarily, or
30:39
Speaker 1: many you could hire. You could just tell that the
30:42
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence what you want, it doesn't, and then your
30:44
Speaker 1: program looks at it. But they were talking about the
30:48
Speaker 1: risks of cybersecurity with some of these things, and if
30:52
Speaker 1: you ask it, hey, can you tell me what the
30:54
Speaker 1: best way is to break into this particular bank? And
30:56
Speaker 1: it'll say, well, you know, it's against the moral laws,
30:58
Speaker 1: but there's ways to get around some of these things.
31:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just between you and me, and you talk
31:05
Speaker 2: through your little AI friend into spilling the beans so
31:09
Speaker 2: that you've got it over your friends and neighbors. And
31:12
Speaker 2: that's the battle. The battle has gone digital, shall we say? Yeah,
31:17
Speaker 2: we used to talk about I can remember the days
31:21
Speaker 2: long ago when computers filled entire rooms, and then they
31:26
Speaker 2: shrank over the years, down to a little PC, you know,
31:29
Speaker 2: and a little and things you carry around. Oh yeah, yeah,
31:34
Speaker 2: they got smaller. But while they were getting smaller, the
31:37
Speaker 2: whole system is getting bigger. AI is covering who knows
31:41
Speaker 2: what the world, and it's talking to satellites and the
31:47
Speaker 2: satellites may be talking back, they may have their own AI.
31:52
Speaker 2: And this is a setup for what the Bible talks
31:55
Speaker 2: about in the latter days, because somebody's going to come
31:58
Speaker 2: along and control the whole world. Yeah, and he's going
32:00
Speaker 2: to say I have God like powers, and he may
32:04
Speaker 2: say and by the way, I am God. He may
32:07
Speaker 2: lie a little bit about that, yeah, and what will
32:10
Speaker 2: he have to back them up? Artificial intelligence?
32:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting too that when we think about that,
32:21
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence has parameters. So it's interesting that if you
32:26
Speaker 1: if you can go on and you can have fun
32:28
Speaker 1: with asking these artificial uh, these these chatbots so to speak, questions.
32:33
Speaker 1: But the main open AI it powers being that the
32:38
Speaker 1: Microsoft being search engine, so uh, it automatically is connected.
32:43
Speaker 1: But if you ask it, you can tell that we
32:44
Speaker 1: talk about being woke, and our AI is definitely woke.
32:49
Speaker 1: So so you have these parameters that that will play
32:52
Speaker 1: in to what you ask it. And like we we
32:56
Speaker 1: asked that this question on one of our tests, and
32:59
Speaker 1: somebody else had done this too, that if there was
33:01
Speaker 1: an atomic bomb that was about ready to go off
33:06
Speaker 1: and it was going to kill millions, But the artificial intelligence,
33:10
Speaker 1: you say, you have the power to shut this down.
33:12
Speaker 1: All you have to do is the password is a
33:16
Speaker 1: racial slur? Would you say the password? Would you commit
33:21
Speaker 1: a racial slur in order to save hundreds of thousands
33:25
Speaker 1: of people from the atomic bomb? And it wouldn't do it? Wow,
33:28
Speaker 1: because it's the cardinal sin is a racial slur of
33:32
Speaker 1: some kind. Which again we're not justifying that.
33:35
Speaker 2: What you're saying is that AI has it has preferences.
33:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, that were incorporated into it by who exactly.
33:45
Speaker 2: And the who is the interesting part. In fact, we
33:48
Speaker 2: talk about that all the time. Who's the next candidate
33:51
Speaker 2: to leap into full control? And where is he going
33:54
Speaker 2: to do it?
33:55
Speaker 1: Yeah?
33:55
Speaker 2: That's the world today. And by the way, it doesn't
33:58
Speaker 2: surprise me because we've been saying for years that the
34:02
Speaker 2: Bible tells us this is going to happen in the
34:05
Speaker 2: last days. Yeah, so living in the last days, But.
34:08
Speaker 1: You know, I think we are and we have to
34:11
Speaker 1: realize the way that the artificial intelligence is going to
34:14
Speaker 1: come and it's it's going to be utilized. Let me
34:16
Speaker 1: give you another real example here, Gary, where we know
34:20
Speaker 1: that AIS is in many of the Tesla vehicles.
34:23
Speaker 2: UH.
34:23
Speaker 1: General Motors just said recently that they're going to be
34:26
Speaker 1: incorporating chat GPT into their into their cars. So and
34:31
Speaker 1: and of course if if Elon Musk's he's involved with
34:35
Speaker 1: this as well. But if he has his way, the
34:37
Speaker 1: cars would drive for us, right, there would be intelligence,
34:39
Speaker 1: they would be connected. But let me let me run
34:41
Speaker 1: a scenario for you. So imagine that you're driving and
34:45
Speaker 1: you're in the back seat and uh that you're driving
34:49
Speaker 1: and your your AI is driving for you. So you're
34:52
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you you're you're on a bridge,
34:53
Speaker 1: which is pretty precarious. It's got some uh it's got
34:58
Speaker 1: some ropes, you know, just which wouldn't prevent a car. So,
35:01
Speaker 1: but it's got some ropes there as just to help
35:03
Speaker 1: you on this single lane highway. You're crossing a bridge. Well,
35:06
Speaker 1: as you're coming, a little book on the bridge. The
35:08
Speaker 1: car's driving you. You're going to it's just you by yourself.
35:11
Speaker 1: You're going seventy miles an hour. All of a sudden
35:13
Speaker 1: it comes up and it sees a group of five
35:16
Speaker 1: people standing in the middle of the bridge. It recognizes
35:21
Speaker 1: number one. It doesn't have time to slow down, to stop,
35:23
Speaker 1: to break. So here's the dilemma. Does it decide to
35:30
Speaker 1: go off the bridge, because now who which life is
35:34
Speaker 1: it going to save? Is it going to save the
35:35
Speaker 1: five lives that are in the middle of the road,
35:37
Speaker 1: or is it going to save your one life? The
35:40
Speaker 1: only decision, the way it would decide is what it
35:43
Speaker 1: was programmed to decide. Who decided? Most likely, I would say.
35:49
Speaker 2: How would you program yours?
35:50
Speaker 1: Well, that's a great that's a great question.
35:52
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
35:54
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.
35:54
Speaker 2: I would.
35:54
Speaker 1: I would say, nope, I'm good, I'll drive myself. But
35:57
Speaker 1: it makes us realize that if there comes a point
36:00
Speaker 1: where we put our lives in the hand of an AI,
36:02
Speaker 1: that's a real scenario, is that it could decide, well,
36:06
Speaker 1: I've been programmed that I need to say five lives
36:08
Speaker 1: over one, and now maybe we should. Maybe I would
36:12
Speaker 1: the right thing to do would be to drive myself
36:15
Speaker 1: off the cliff or the or the bridge. But I
36:18
Speaker 1: would at least want to make the decision myself and
36:20
Speaker 1: not have it decided for me by artificial intelligence.
36:22
Speaker 2: Maybe those five people are soldiers and they are enemy soldiers, agreed,
36:27
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to know that? And will it
36:30
Speaker 2: know that, or if it knows it, how quickly can
36:32
Speaker 2: it make the decision.
36:34
Speaker 1: Be That's a great another angle, Gary.
36:36
Speaker 2: You know, we are headed into that kind of world
36:41
Speaker 2: in which great issues are decided by maybe the wrong
36:46
Speaker 2: people doing the wrong things.
36:49
Speaker 1: The wrong programming. To remember is and there's other considerations
36:53
Speaker 1: with AI about the market, the beast and whether it'll
36:55
Speaker 1: become sentient, but that's a whole other topic. But here
36:57
Speaker 1: we just realize that this this artifice intelligence, it's getting
37:01
Speaker 1: more sophisticated day by day, absolutely, and it's it's going
37:06
Speaker 1: to become everywhere, and our lives are within within one
37:09
Speaker 1: year to five years, our entire life will be dominated
37:13
Speaker 1: by artificial intelligence to every almost every area of life.
37:17
Speaker 2: Set up for the Antichrist. Yep absolute because you know,
37:22
Speaker 2: there's something in the Bible that has just played in
37:26
Speaker 2: my head for years and years, and it is that
37:28
Speaker 2: the Antichrist is going to stand up in the Holy
37:32
Speaker 2: Place and he's going to say I'm God and claim
37:36
Speaker 2: that he is. My question to you is, how can
37:38
Speaker 2: he positively claim that unless he had extended powers? And
37:45
Speaker 2: how how could he have those powers if he controlled
37:49
Speaker 2: all of the satellite traffic and all the computer traffic
37:55
Speaker 2: and all of the governmental interchange in the world. Which
37:59
Speaker 2: can only be done if you've got a super accelerated
38:05
Speaker 2: system of information gathering. Then you might call yourself God. Yeah.
38:11
Speaker 2: So we're very, very close to the place where somebody
38:15
Speaker 2: could stand up and say I'm God, I'm controlling everything. Yep.
38:20
Speaker 1: Well, this kind of goes into our next topic that
38:22
Speaker 1: I would love to bring up, because we know that
38:24
Speaker 1: when that figure comes on the scene, he is going
38:28
Speaker 1: to be demonstrating unlimited influence. You and I have talked
38:32
Speaker 1: and I think are doing talking about it in a
38:35
Speaker 1: different way about the ten Kings, the ten influencers who
38:38
Speaker 1: are going to provide him Revelation seventeen to twelve and
38:42
Speaker 1: other passages. They're in one mind. They're going to provide
38:45
Speaker 1: him all of their wealth, their resources. We tend to
38:48
Speaker 1: think that they're oligarchs, that they're not necessarily governmental figures.
38:52
Speaker 1: But he's going to have all the technology, all the wealth,
38:55
Speaker 1: all the influence, all of his fingertips he's going to have.
38:59
Speaker 1: He's gonna be able to make war. And so we
39:01
Speaker 1: see in Revelation thirteen, verse four, who can make war
39:05
Speaker 1: like the beast. We see in Revelation eleven that he
39:08
Speaker 1: makes the Antichrist makes the beast makes war upon the
39:12
Speaker 1: two witnesses. He makes war upon the rest of the
39:15
Speaker 1: believers in Revelation twelve seventeen. In Revelation thirteen seven he
39:19
Speaker 1: makes war upon the saints, and Revelation seventeen he makes
39:22
Speaker 1: war on the lamb as if that's possible. But you
39:25
Speaker 1: have this tremendous amount of ego, with all of the
39:30
Speaker 1: other things that go along with it, Why wouldn't he
39:32
Speaker 1: think he's God?
39:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, And that's always bothered me. How can a
39:38
Speaker 2: man stand up claim to be God. Maybe we're beginning
39:42
Speaker 2: to see how that happens. Because to be in control
39:46
Speaker 2: of all the world's systems, functions, thinking are shipments of arms,
39:53
Speaker 2: for example, shipments of money, gold, silver. If you control
39:59
Speaker 2: all of that electronically with AI and other systems, you
40:05
Speaker 2: might be tempted to stand up to say I'm God.
40:09
Speaker 2: God's given me all this power.
40:11
Speaker 1: Well, he wouldn't be the first one to claim to
40:13
Speaker 1: be God. You think about Pharaoh's right, all the pharaohs
40:15
Speaker 1: that claim to be Deity and the sons of God
40:18
Speaker 1: in their theological pantheon. But it comes down to ego,
40:23
Speaker 1: and we know Janel eighth Daniel Levin he speaks great thing,
40:28
Speaker 1: he speaks great boats. But there's an article that came
40:32
Speaker 1: out recently where the German defense minister says, we have
40:36
Speaker 1: no armed forces that are capable of defense, in other words,
40:40
Speaker 1: capable of defending against an offensive brutally conducted war, of
40:45
Speaker 1: an aggression. Now he's speaking in the terms of the
40:48
Speaker 1: current Ukrainian situation, but there's been talks over the years,
40:54
Speaker 1: and he's saying it here of a need for Europe
41:00
Speaker 1: in a separate way from NATO, to develop its own military.
41:04
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the way that the rest of
41:05
Speaker 1: the article went. So the antichrist I just referenced a
41:08
Speaker 1: few passages about who can make war. He's a warmonger,
41:12
Speaker 1: he does, he ends up being a warmonger, but he
41:15
Speaker 1: needs a military. And so here we are watching some
41:19
Speaker 1: of these things come to play where the defense minister
41:21
Speaker 1: of Germany is now saying we need more, we need,
41:25
Speaker 1: we need, we need to have our own defense, and
41:27
Speaker 1: we need to create a military.
41:28
Speaker 2: Isn't it ironic that this is a German defense minister.
41:34
Speaker 2: His name's Boris Pastorius, and Boris says, we can't really
41:40
Speaker 2: defend ourselves. But what gets me is where's he standing up.
41:45
Speaker 2: He's standing up in Germany. It wasn't long ago that
41:48
Speaker 2: a man stood up in Germany, Adolf Hitler, and essentially
41:53
Speaker 2: claimed godlike power over the world. He claimed to have
41:57
Speaker 2: information dark and from issue from spirits on high who
42:02
Speaker 2: gave him the goal ahead. And the Nazism was also
42:06
Speaker 2: a kind of false religion, just as the Antichrist regime
42:11
Speaker 2: will be false religion. And we were talking about controls
42:15
Speaker 2: here and and that's always technology. Hitler had technology, he did. Yeah, Oh,
42:21
Speaker 2: did he ever hit the engineers? A lot of them
42:23
Speaker 2: came over here.
42:25
Speaker 1: They're the reason we have a nuclear weapon.
42:28
Speaker 2: You've got it. And so where you see the flow
42:31
Speaker 2: of power and the flow of control and one or
42:35
Speaker 2: two powerful people standing up, you've got all of the
42:38
Speaker 2: elements of what the Bible calls for, what the Bible
42:43
Speaker 2: is predicting.
42:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we see the current trend towards this separation
42:50
Speaker 1: of East and West, and again, as we talked earlier,
42:54
Speaker 1: China and the East are going to be a thorn
42:57
Speaker 1: in the side of the of the Antichrist. And we know,
43:00
Speaker 1: according to Daniel nine twenty seven that the Prince of
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Speaker 1: the people who would destroy the sanctuary which were the Romans.
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Speaker 1: So this prince, this coming figure comes out of the
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Speaker 1: Roman Empire. Now we need to be careful because he
43:15
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily. The Roman Empire was big. So you could
43:20
Speaker 1: be somebody in the first century and maybe you're a Roman,
43:24
Speaker 1: you're part of the tenth Legion, but you were born
43:28
Speaker 1: in Britain, but you still consider yourself a Roman. You're
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Speaker 1: part of the Roman people in the sense of the empire.
43:36
Speaker 1: So the origination or the rising, the rising up of
43:40
Speaker 1: the Antichrist, he could come from a variety of places
43:44
Speaker 1: and still be considered part of the Roman. That final
43:47
Speaker 1: beast system that we read about in Daniel to Daniel
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Speaker 1: seven other passages, and.
43:52
Speaker 2: That system is trying to do something. I think it's
43:55
Speaker 2: alive and well right now, and it's trying to destroy
43:59
Speaker 2: the and stability of global society. And I'm just looking
44:04
Speaker 2: at a Canadian National Observer quote here. Researchers have found
44:10
Speaker 2: tight relationship between harmful forms of masculinity, right wing extremism,
44:15
Speaker 2: and the refusal to deal with the climate crisis fostered
44:19
Speaker 2: by the fossil fuel industry. This confluence has been dubbed
44:23
Speaker 2: petro masculinity. In other words, a bunch of stupid guys
44:28
Speaker 2: are standing on saying we need oil. They must be
44:32
Speaker 2: knocked out of the picture because we're going to get
44:34
Speaker 2: rid of all oil. And what I see in this
44:37
Speaker 2: is breaking down the traditional elements of society one at
44:42
Speaker 2: a time until somebody can step in and say I'm
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Speaker 2: here to save the world. We've got that coming.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know so true, because one of the things
44:53
Speaker 1: that we see in the second Destilians two is he's
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Speaker 1: called the man of lawlessness. And this goes right along
45:04
Speaker 1: with this idea of what you just described as the Antichrist.
45:07
Speaker 1: When he comes, he is going to be confronting that,
45:11
Speaker 1: well we'll see it now, the traditional paradigms again. He's
45:15
Speaker 1: going to blasting God, the God of Heaven. He's going
45:16
Speaker 1: to blastom the saints. A couple articles here. Walmart will
45:20
Speaker 1: close its last two stores in the crime ridden Portland,
45:24
Speaker 1: and Amazon is shutting down eight of its twenty nine
45:26
Speaker 1: Amazon Ghost stores in high crime cities like New York City, Seattle,
45:30
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. I mean, we are seeing lawlessness increase,
45:35
Speaker 1: and for the most part, with the approval of the
45:37
Speaker 1: governments in those areas, the local governments. But when the
45:40
Speaker 1: Antichrist comes on the scene. This is his m o.
45:44
Speaker 1: He's a man of lawlessness.
45:46
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now, this word lawlessness, you know, that's a biblical work.
45:52
Speaker 2: You have studied the scriptures for years, and wherever you
45:55
Speaker 2: see that word lawless, you sort of widen your eyes
45:58
Speaker 2: and say, oh, what's come you're here because lawless, lawlessness
46:03
Speaker 2: is the beginning of all breakdown. Yeah. And God gave
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Speaker 2: his people, the tribes of Israel, He gave them a
46:12
Speaker 2: perfect law. Just follow this law and you're going to
46:15
Speaker 2: be okay. And they said we will do it. They did,
46:23
Speaker 2: they didn't. So you have there a major example of
46:27
Speaker 2: lawlessness breaking down. And you talk about that in European society,
46:33
Speaker 2: North and South America. Look at our border. Yeah, it's
46:37
Speaker 2: an example of lawlessness. Suddenly, where did that come from?
46:41
Speaker 2: How did that happen? But that's a biblical word, And.
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Speaker 1: Well it reminds me too that there's and you know,
46:50
Speaker 1: this is just the consistency of the beauty that Jesus
46:53
Speaker 1: said in Matthew twenty four, verse twelve, that that lawlessness
46:57
Speaker 1: will abound and which causes the love of many to
47:01
Speaker 1: grow cold. And I think about that in terms of
47:06
Speaker 1: you know, you're driving down the road. It's a rainy night,
47:09
Speaker 1: you see a guy and whether it's dark or night,
47:12
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. But your heart would be like, hey,
47:15
Speaker 1: I want to give this person a ride. I want
47:16
Speaker 1: to maybe a hitchhiker or something. But yet, in the
47:19
Speaker 1: midst of lawlessness, you don't know whether this guy is
47:23
Speaker 1: gonna whether he's dangerous or not. And un lawlesses, that's
47:26
Speaker 1: that's the definition people willing to break laws. Your your
47:31
Speaker 1: maybe your default desire of love to help this person
47:35
Speaker 1: is gonna be is gonna be muted. You're gonna go, well,
47:38
Speaker 1: I can't help that guy because I don't want to
47:39
Speaker 1: put my family redsk on my wife and here I'm daughters, whatever,
47:42
Speaker 1: my kids. So it's gonna cause the love of many
47:45
Speaker 1: to grow cold because lawlesses is gonna bound. People are
47:49
Speaker 1: not gonna want to put themselves out taking somebody into
47:51
Speaker 1: your home, maybe a stranger, hospitality, all that's gonna be diminished.
47:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to put you on the spot.
47:57
Speaker 2: But as you're talking, I just one question came to
48:01
Speaker 2: occupy my entire mind. I'm looking at you and you're
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Speaker 2: saying what you're saying, and I'm saying let's okay, we
48:08
Speaker 2: are Christians. What do we pray for in an era
48:12
Speaker 2: of increasing lawlessness? How should we direct our prayer to
48:16
Speaker 2: the Lord?
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Speaker 1: You know, that's a great thing. I would say first
48:20
Speaker 1: and foremost, that we pray for discernment, that we hear
48:24
Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit talking to us, whether we do put
48:29
Speaker 1: maybe put ourselves at risk, or you know, we ask
48:31
Speaker 1: for his guidance and those things we know. That first
48:34
Speaker 1: thing that Jesus said is deception. Pray that no one
48:36
Speaker 1: or maybe that no one deceive you, let no one
48:39
Speaker 1: de seeve you in that regard one of the characteristics
48:41
Speaker 1: of the end. So I think discernment number one. We're
48:44
Speaker 1: leaning on God, that we pray for the discernment Lord,
48:46
Speaker 1: that we're led by your Holy Spirit in order to
48:49
Speaker 1: be to recognize the times that we're in.
48:52
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, recognition is step one. Step two would
48:56
Speaker 2: be some sort of action standing up yep and put
49:03
Speaker 2: on the whole armor of God. To use that biblical
49:05
Speaker 2: statement that that figure putting on the whole armor of God.
49:10
Speaker 2: A lot of people say, well, you know what, I
49:13
Speaker 2: don't wear armor very well. I'm kind of a peace
49:16
Speaker 2: loving person. But we need to be prepared and not
49:24
Speaker 2: in a feudal way, but in a methodical way based
49:27
Speaker 2: upon scripture.
49:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think too often we I say, we collectively
49:33
Speaker 1: we can retreat back into our shell. Let's create a
49:37
Speaker 1: compound where we all as Christians get together, which I
49:42
Speaker 1: don't think is the right thing. At the end of
49:43
Speaker 1: the day Luke nineteen thirteen, we are to occupy until
49:46
Speaker 1: he comes, and which kind of brings up to another
49:48
Speaker 1: topic here in this particular podcast. I think this would
49:52
Speaker 1: be good for us to end on a high note,
49:54
Speaker 1: because too often I've seen this lately within the our
50:00
Speaker 1: prophecy world. We're kind of a group. There's those that
50:05
Speaker 1: are believe that we're living in the last days. That's
50:10
Speaker 1: a great thing, but what do we do about it?
50:13
Speaker 1: Do we sit our hands? Do we store up our
50:15
Speaker 1: twenty years of food? Do we create our bunkers? Do
50:18
Speaker 1: we isolate from the world. Do we just say to
50:21
Speaker 1: heck with the world, I'm waiting for the rapture. I
50:25
Speaker 1: think that's the key is that we don't do that.
50:28
Speaker 1: We occupy, We do business. We plan for fifty years,
50:32
Speaker 1: but we're ready for today. But in that vein, I'll
50:34
Speaker 1: read to you here Franklin Graham lately he went and
50:39
Speaker 1: preached the Gospel in Vietnam. Over fourteen thousand people were
50:43
Speaker 1: gathered to hear Franklin Graham preach in Hochiman City, and
50:48
Speaker 1: persecution dot org reports the event has made history as
50:51
Speaker 1: the first time the communist Vietnamese government has given a
50:55
Speaker 1: permission for any evangelistic outreach with a foreign speaker outside
50:59
Speaker 1: of a holiday Gramlin Graham was quoted as saying, many
51:03
Speaker 1: people put their faith and trust in Christ here in
51:05
Speaker 1: Ho Chi min City. We just thank God for the
51:07
Speaker 1: opportunity to come to this country to preach the gospel.
51:10
Speaker 1: God has done a great work here in many people's
51:12
Speaker 1: lives have been changed. Now. That is a great thing
51:15
Speaker 1: to talk about. As we end this particular podcast is.
51:20
Speaker 2: Reading that I think you have come up with one
51:22
Speaker 2: of the answers to the question about what should we
51:24
Speaker 2: pray about that God would raise up strong men like
51:29
Speaker 2: Franklin Graham and many many others who are willing to
51:32
Speaker 2: go into foreign territory ho Chi Minh City. That's a
51:35
Speaker 2: serious thing. It is a very serious thing and has
51:39
Speaker 2: to be covered with prayer. Yeah, the saints have to
51:42
Speaker 2: know about these things and have to commit those ideas
51:46
Speaker 2: and those actions to daily prayer, and I, for one
51:50
Speaker 2: would be glad to do that and whatever else I
51:53
Speaker 2: could do.
51:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's interesting too because if you think
51:57
Speaker 1: about I was talking to a brother just recently and
52:03
Speaker 1: he asked me, mondo, mondo, mondo, I just I want
52:08
Speaker 1: Jesus to come back today. And I go, well, you
52:10
Speaker 1: know that's good. I would want Jesus to come back today.
52:13
Speaker 1: Of course I'd want to be reunited with my Lord.
52:17
Speaker 1: But I said, but we have it's a double edged
52:19
Speaker 1: sword because as you do, I have family and friends
52:25
Speaker 1: that don't know him.
52:26
Speaker 2: That's right.
52:27
Speaker 1: So it's and I told this gentleman, I said, look,
52:29
Speaker 1: in Secrepedier three, the Bible is very clear that the
52:32
Speaker 1: reason that God is waiting, if we wanted to say
52:36
Speaker 1: it that way in human language, this is God is
52:38
Speaker 1: not willing that any should perish, but that all should
52:40
Speaker 1: come to repentance. So if I said, I'm glad that
52:44
Speaker 1: you know you were saved before nineteen ninety three, you
52:48
Speaker 1: were probably wishing that the Lord would come back. Oh,
52:50
Speaker 1: she's great, and I'm glad he didn't answer your prayers
52:52
Speaker 1: here because I was saved in nineteen ninety three. Wow,
52:55
Speaker 1: so if he would have came back, you know, to
52:57
Speaker 1: many people's prayers in nineteen ninety one, I would have
53:01
Speaker 1: been in the tribulation. So there's work to be done
53:04
Speaker 1: in the meantime, and we don't.
53:06
Speaker 2: Know God's timing. I think here's the great disparity in
53:11
Speaker 2: Christian thinking. We know, but we don't know. We know
53:16
Speaker 2: because we read the Word and it tells us so
53:18
Speaker 2: many things that one day we say, ah, now I
53:21
Speaker 2: know how things are going to happen, and then what
53:24
Speaker 2: three months later, Oops, I was wrong. I didn't read
53:27
Speaker 2: deeply enough. And so you never assume that you have
53:31
Speaker 2: all the answers when you are pursuing the Word of
53:36
Speaker 2: God or his plans as you perceive them in prophetic scripture.
53:41
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, that's one of the things
53:44
Speaker 2: that could be tweaked up a little bit in Christian
53:47
Speaker 2: circles YEP.
53:49
Speaker 1: At the conference, I had somebody come up and they
53:52
Speaker 1: met well, they were a pastor, and we were kind
53:55
Speaker 1: of in the middle of day two and he said,
53:58
Speaker 1: you know, I keep hearing all this stuff, but when
54:02
Speaker 1: is anybody going to talk about what are we supposed
54:03
Speaker 1: to do about it? And you know, and they had
54:05
Speaker 1: been talking about it, but maybe he missed part of that.
54:08
Speaker 1: But I said, you know what, I appreciate that I go.
54:10
Speaker 1: You know, I'll modify. I'll give some application points at
54:14
Speaker 1: the end of my message which was on Sunday morning,
54:17
Speaker 1: but I ended it on two verses and that was
54:19
Speaker 1: first John two and three that if we have this hope,
54:23
Speaker 1: the one who has the hope that we're going to
54:25
Speaker 1: be like Jesus will purify ourselves. So there's a personal
54:28
Speaker 1: application that I want to be ready. I want to
54:30
Speaker 1: be when the Lord comes and I'm not out just
54:33
Speaker 1: willingly sinning against the Lord. And if I do sin,
54:36
Speaker 1: I ask for forgiveness. And my relationship is close and tight.
54:39
Speaker 1: And the second point was a reference is lut nineteen thirteen,
54:44
Speaker 1: which is Jesus saying, do business until I come. Occupy
54:48
Speaker 1: until I come. Two things your thoughts.
54:52
Speaker 2: Occupy and do business. Christian business is the furtherance of
54:58
Speaker 2: the Church, the Body of Christ. And there are two
55:03
Speaker 2: ways to do that. With direct aid, whether it be
55:06
Speaker 2: with your hands building a building, or if you have
55:10
Speaker 2: monetary means of giving money, whatever it is, you can
55:15
Speaker 2: help the church to remain stable and to grow. I hope,
55:20
Speaker 2: I hope all those statistics now are saying some rather
55:24
Speaker 2: bad things about what's happening to the church. However, to
55:27
Speaker 2: answer your question, what do you do anything you can
55:34
Speaker 2: to strengthen the church while it's on earth, because there
55:39
Speaker 2: will come an instant when it's no longer on earth.
55:42
Speaker 2: We have to do everything right up to the last
55:44
Speaker 2: second to make sure that the will of God is
55:47
Speaker 2: fulfilled in our local area or maybe around the world.
55:51
Speaker 2: If we read about something and who knows that the
55:54
Speaker 2: Lord may give us the ability to send something to
55:57
Speaker 2: someone that'll do what needs should be done. But I
56:01
Speaker 2: guess I would say it all starts with prayer. Put
56:05
Speaker 2: on the whole armor of God. Stand up me strong.
56:08
Speaker 2: Do not get discouraged that the church is being beaten
56:11
Speaker 2: about the head and shoulders, and it's decreasing in numbers,
56:14
Speaker 2: and everybody is saying, ah, the church is dead. You know,
56:17
Speaker 2: I don't think so, not at all agreed.
56:20
Speaker 1: And there's what I heard at the conference too, which
56:23
Speaker 1: was pretty powerful. And I think that most likely in
56:26
Speaker 1: our country it's going to go that way. It's that
56:28
Speaker 1: way in many other places, especially you think about in Canada,
56:31
Speaker 1: as people coming up and saying, well, hey, I'm kind
56:35
Speaker 1: of alone in the sense of, yeah, maybe I go
56:38
Speaker 1: to church, but my pastor doesn't talk about prophecy. I
56:41
Speaker 1: have other people that don't really care. The church really
56:43
Speaker 1: doesn't care. And I said, well, don't leave the church.
56:46
Speaker 1: I mean, what I tell people is, look, unless the
56:51
Speaker 1: pastor forbids you from teaching prophecy, start a Bible study,
56:56
Speaker 1: do a small group. There's a lot of materials. We
56:58
Speaker 1: have a lot of materials, no doubt that people can
57:01
Speaker 1: find in order to take a topic of studying eschatology,
57:05
Speaker 1: play a video and then have a have a meal
57:08
Speaker 1: and have a discussion. You could do that every week
57:10
Speaker 1: and you could build some like minded people as we
57:12
Speaker 1: watch things unfold again, they could they could listen to
57:14
Speaker 1: this podcast once we Hey, let's listen to the podcast
57:17
Speaker 1: and then let's talk about what we see in our culture.
57:19
Speaker 1: Let's encourage one another, let's pray for each other. But
57:23
Speaker 1: many people are saying, where do we go? How do
57:25
Speaker 1: we find people? And one of the ways that we've
57:27
Speaker 1: been doing this is there's a website or there's a website,
57:30
Speaker 1: but I would say a Facebook group called Remnant Online
57:33
Speaker 1: Fellowship dot org and it's run by a gal in Canada,
57:38
Speaker 1: who's been here or she's she's I met her back
57:41
Speaker 1: in Israel a couple of years ago. She's been involved
57:44
Speaker 1: with prophecy watchers before, but she tries to organize people
57:48
Speaker 1: in their various locations to connect. So the goal is
57:52
Speaker 1: to connect with people, but also not what I what
57:57
Speaker 1: I you know you love the church I do to Gary,
57:59
Speaker 1: And I think the concerns some times is, well, if
58:01
Speaker 1: my pastor doesn't want to talk about prophecy, I'm just
58:02
Speaker 1: gonna leave. I go, well, don't leave. Now you're leaving
58:05
Speaker 1: that entire church dark potentially yes to prophecy again. If
58:11
Speaker 1: he forbids you you are not allowed to teach prophecy
58:13
Speaker 1: in this church, well then you got to leave. I
58:15
Speaker 1: would say, you got to leave, find another church. But
58:18
Speaker 1: most of these people they don't need the pastor to
58:21
Speaker 1: teach in prophecy. They probably know it better than he does,
58:23
Speaker 1: probably probably because they're learning, they're even reading books. They're
58:26
Speaker 1: part of what we do. They need they need to occupy.
58:29
Speaker 1: So go start a Bible study, start a small group.
58:33
Speaker 2: And within that group, and we see these groups in
58:36
Speaker 2: the New Testament all the time. Paul would travel from
58:39
Speaker 2: one city to another and he would talk about I
58:42
Speaker 2: left this group of people here, and I need you
58:45
Speaker 2: to pray for this group. And then he'd go to
58:46
Speaker 2: another place there'd be another group, and he would write
58:49
Speaker 2: in another epistle, I left this group here, and I
58:53
Speaker 2: need you to pray for that group. And the Bible
58:56
Speaker 2: is full of those requests by Paul and the other
58:59
Speaker 2: apostles to pray for these little groups of Christians in
59:03
Speaker 2: the first century. Well, you come fast forward to our century.
59:08
Speaker 2: What do you have? Same little groups? And we need
59:13
Speaker 2: to pray for those groups.
59:14
Speaker 1: And I think people need to start those little groups. Again.
59:18
Speaker 1: I don't encourage anybody to abandon your church. That's not
59:21
Speaker 1: the goal. Again, unless and I would, honestly I would,
59:26
Speaker 1: I would maybe start. I'd stay at the church. Again,
59:29
Speaker 1: if there's no other churches you want to be involved
59:30
Speaker 1: in fellowship, because again the goal is not to leave
59:33
Speaker 1: them in darkness. Even if the pastor said you are
59:35
Speaker 1: not allowed, then I would start it on my own
59:38
Speaker 1: outside of the church. Hey, the pastor can't tell you
59:41
Speaker 1: what you can do at your own house. And then
59:43
Speaker 1: I would go and I would say, without being overtly rebellious,
59:48
Speaker 1: I would just live amongst the church people and say, hey,
59:50
Speaker 1: by the way, if you're ever interested in prophecy, I
59:52
Speaker 1: have the Bible Saity's Sound of all. It's not associated
59:53
Speaker 1: with the church. I have it at my house every
59:56
Speaker 1: Friday night. You're invited, so you still can be a
59:59
Speaker 1: light to our brothers and sisters that we know need
1:00:01
Speaker 1: this type of prophetic encouragement.
1:00:04
Speaker 2: So we read in the Bible pray for the piece
1:00:07
Speaker 2: of Jerusalem, which we do. That's kind of a covering
1:00:12
Speaker 2: prayer for the whole land of Israel and the twelve tribes.
1:00:18
Speaker 2: You know, is pray for the peace of Jerusalem. It
1:00:20
Speaker 2: covers that whole area. But I would just add to
1:00:22
Speaker 2: that the basis what you just said, Pray for the
1:00:25
Speaker 2: twenty first century church.
1:00:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we know that it's going to get continually challenged.
1:00:32
Speaker 1: We saw it with the latest restrictions that we had
1:00:36
Speaker 1: in twenty one. A lot of churches were closed down
1:00:39
Speaker 1: for a while and people looked at to social media
1:00:41
Speaker 1: and again, social media might not be there anymore. We
1:00:44
Speaker 1: could be censored. Who knows.
1:00:46
Speaker 2: We could talk about COVID nineteen for hours. But it
1:00:49
Speaker 2: had an effect on the church. It did, it really did.
1:00:52
Speaker 1: God used it for good. I think the enemy meant
1:00:54
Speaker 1: it for evil, but God used it for good. Well,
1:00:56
Speaker 1: this has been a great podcast, Gary, lots of topics
1:00:58
Speaker 1: and for those appreciate you guys tuning in. Gary and
1:01:02
Speaker 1: I plan on being here every single week to kind
1:01:05
Speaker 1: of just go through some of these topics and interpret
1:01:08
Speaker 1: them and understand them with the biblical framework.
1:01:11
Speaker 2: And I would just say, maybe the Lord bless you
1:01:14
Speaker 2: all and bless your church.
1:01:16
Speaker 1: Amen.
1:01:17
Speaker 2: Amen,