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Football at Four: Explaining More on Eagles Hurts' Situation · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher from the Inside the Birds podcast is here,
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  Speaker 1: also not a medical professional. However, bad job by the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles sending Sirianni out there by himself today, or what
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  Speaker 1: did you make of that performance?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, the Eagles have been through a
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  Speaker 2: lot of situations like these, and they are smart enough
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  Speaker 2: to know that they're going to have to take some
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  Speaker 2: really ugly bullets for a day, and then a game's
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  Speaker 2: going to be played Monday night, and everybody's going to
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  Speaker 2: forget about that presser. I mean, there have just, there've
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  Speaker 2: been a number of really uncomfortable and poorly designed or
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  Speaker 2: executed press conferences throughout the decades from this franchise, because they,
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  Speaker 2: they do things a little bit differently and they're, they'll
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  Speaker 2: take the bullets for it, but you're asking a lot
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  Speaker 2: of questions that I heard you ask that are pertinent
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  Speaker 2: and fair. And I think the media asked a lot
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  Speaker 2: of questions that were fair and you're right, Nick, if
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  Speaker 2: you already know, that you are not going to divulge
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  Speaker 2: answers or information, but then you have to go out
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  Speaker 2: there and satisfy the mandated press conference anyway, then that's
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  Speaker 2: what you're going to get, right? You're going to get
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  Speaker 2: a just discombobulation of a press conference with no answers,
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  Speaker 2: contention between the press, contention from the head coach. I
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  Speaker 2: don't see how it could have worked any better unless,
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  Speaker 2: as you mentioned, Mike, they put different personnel out there, doctors,
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  Speaker 2: medical staff, and they're not going to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, and listen, I appreciate the question that
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  Speaker 1: Jeff McClain asked, which was pretty forceful, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: to say, I'm asking the question. You're the spokesman of
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  Speaker 1: the team right now. And I think that was a
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  Speaker 1: message to the team to let them know you put
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  Speaker 1: your guy out there and he looks like an idiot.
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  Speaker 2: That's very possible. You know, I can't pretend to know
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  Speaker 2: if Jeff's just getting information or if he's trying to
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  Speaker 2: make a point. But both happened. And, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles look a certain way. because of this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned, yeah, not good, not good. Like, I think
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  Speaker 2: that there's a really fair question. And Jeff asked it
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  Speaker 2: about allowing him to fly back, knowing the risks. Now
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sitting here saying that I believe that the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles organization acted against medical advice.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that at all. And I also find
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  Speaker 2: it very interesting that Tom Palacero had reported that Jalen
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  Speaker 2: didn't sleep for quite many days. And that was earlier
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  Speaker 2: this morning. And then literally at 2.58, two minutes before
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  Speaker 2: Nick is supposed to have a press conference, Pelissero is
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  Speaker 2: the one refuting his own report saying, oh, wait, I
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  Speaker 2: spoke to Jalen Hurts' agent and it winds up he
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  Speaker 2: was able to get some sleep while he's getting evaluated. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's fine. Let's say Jalen Hurts got some sleep. I
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  Speaker 2: think it does come down to an organizational decision. Is
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  Speaker 2: this guy best prepared for with a blood clot and
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  Speaker 2: a lack of sleep and a long flight back and
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  Speaker 2: everything involved to be able to play this game. And
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  Speaker 2: they made the decision that he was. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: now they have to live with those results, but I
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  Speaker 2: will say this, Mike, and you might've been ready to
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  Speaker 2: ask me this. I do interpret the fact that his agent,
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  Speaker 2: Nicole Lynn, the fact that that statement, the original statement
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  Speaker 2: by the Eagles was a joint statement by Nicole and
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles. And that some reporting by Tom and others said,
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  Speaker 2: directly quotes Nicole, that to me signals that Nicole is
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  Speaker 2: not feuding with the Eagles, that there is not disharmony
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  Speaker 2: between Jalen Hurts and the organization.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to bring that up. The fact that
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  Speaker 1: she spoke to Pellicero seems that she's on the same
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  Speaker 1: page as the organization. Like they're saying, hey, this was
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  Speaker 1: not being reported correctly. We don't want the Eagles to
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  Speaker 1: look like they were that inept. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's almost as if Nicole originally told Tom Pellicero,
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  Speaker 2: although I don't know if he quoted her specifically in
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  Speaker 2: the first report, but Tom got the information from somebody
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  Speaker 2: that Jalen wasn't sleeping.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then magically the next tweet from with Nicole's being
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  Speaker 2: cited is that, oh, wait, he actually did get some sleep.
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  Speaker 2: So clearly the Eagles felt a certain way about the
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  Speaker 2: first tweet that said that Jalen was basically operating on
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  Speaker 2: no sleep. And then all of a sudden, the organization
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  Speaker 2: and Nicole, Nicole comes out and says that that's not
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  Speaker 2: exactly a hundred percent the case.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now listen, I don't want you to speculate or
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  Speaker 1: anybody to have to speculate here, but I guess the
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  Speaker 1: question would be, does the feeling here that hurts feels
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  Speaker 1: that the team let him down? Do we feel like
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  Speaker 1: that he would feel that way that, or is it
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  Speaker 1: the other side where he didn't think it was that
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  Speaker 1: big of a deal and really wanted to play? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I, anything would just be speculation but i
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  Speaker 2: did feel exactly no i did feel like yeah i
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  Speaker 2: felt like in.
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  Speaker 1: Other words when you look at his relationship with the
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  Speaker 1: team after all this it's easy for some people to
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  Speaker 1: say he would be infuriated with the team unless he's
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  Speaker 1: not you know what i'm saying unless he's saying i'm
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  Speaker 1: not that infuriated because i had a role in why all.
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  Speaker 2: This happened yeah um That's a good question. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: when I saw the first tweet, I thought that maybe
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  Speaker 2: Hurts was infuriated, and that's why it was leaked that
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  Speaker 2: he was not sleeping. When I saw the follow-up, I thought, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Hurts, and knowing how Hurts is wired, it
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me if he said, hey, they cleared me
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  Speaker 2: to play, I'm going to play. But that's, again, the
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  Speaker 2: Army organization.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. But the first one, it's like he didn't sleep
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  Speaker 1: for 34 hours. Like, if they were telling him, hey,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably best that you don't sleep, at that point,
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  Speaker 1: you say, well, then I'm not playing. Like.
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  Speaker 2: Or the organization steps in and says, all right, Jalen,
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  Speaker 2: we know you want to play. But, you know, this
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  Speaker 2: is just this is an untenable situation.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and then the fact that he came home. He
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  Speaker 1: flew home. And then practice last week is almost another
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  Speaker 1: bizarre aspect of this that I think it's lost in
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  Speaker 1: the sauce a little bit because it just seemed like. hey,
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  Speaker 1: he was on the injured list with a calf thing.
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  Speaker 1: No one really talked about it. And then he said
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  Speaker 1: he didn't want to get into it. And then he's practicing.
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  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden on Thursday, he's out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like another just wild situation between
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  Speaker 1: what happened in London to when he got home and
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  Speaker 1: practiced for a day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he obviously wasn't feeling the impact of
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  Speaker 2: the clots, nor did he realize on Wednesday when he
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  Speaker 2: practiced that he had probably had multiple clots in his lungs.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know much about clots other than,
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  Speaker 2: you know, other athletes I know have dealt with them. Um,
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  Speaker 2: some can be the superficial ones and, you know, even the,
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  Speaker 2: even the really serious ones in your lungs that he
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  Speaker 2: has now that pulmonary embolisms are, are treatable. But I
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  Speaker 2: would just think that if you were dealing with clots
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  Speaker 2: of any kind and you're a professional athlete, you shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be on the practice field until you get the results
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  Speaker 2: of those, uh, MRIs or x-rays, not while you're waiting
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  Speaker 2: for the results of MRIs or x-rays. But again, I
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  Speaker 2: will be the first to say before we jump down
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  Speaker 2: everybody's throat, the Eagles have an army of medical people
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  Speaker 2: in their building, next to their building to consult with.
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  Speaker 2: That part is not a lie. Every single day they
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  Speaker 2: are discussing this with their medical people. It's not as
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  Speaker 2: if the medical people didn't know that Hertz was on
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  Speaker 2: the practice field. So if they're permitting it, then it's
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  Speaker 2: sort of– I'm not going to just totally throw the
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  Speaker 2: organization or Hertz under the bus. I just– I'm surprised.
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  Speaker 1: That's all. Yeah. I would ask this question because the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles– and you've covered this team just as long as
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  Speaker 1: I've been around, if not longer. You and I have
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  Speaker 1: been talking for years about this team. So you have
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  Speaker 1: been around this organization for as long as I can remember.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: This is out of character for them like to have
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  Speaker 1: a situation like this or no. Are you remembering bizarre
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  Speaker 1: injury handlings?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not out of character. There have been some
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  Speaker 2: bizarre injury handling. I don't know if you remember this. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you might remember the incident of Mike Patterson collapsing into
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  Speaker 2: a seizure in the middle of Lehigh training camp one day.
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  Speaker 2: And then he got taken to the hospital. And a
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  Speaker 2: few days later, he was diagnosed with something called brain AVM. Um,
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  Speaker 2: now he had to miss that year. I believe he
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  Speaker 2: came back and played the next year wound up being treatable,
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  Speaker 2: but there was a, there was a sticky situation between
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  Speaker 2: the money that he was owed and the money. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was a long time ago. Um, but like you said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm old, so I can remember some of these things,
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  Speaker 2: but his agent was so mad at the Eagles because
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  Speaker 2: they weren't going to guarantee a, or give him a
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  Speaker 2: certain amount of money at the time because, and then
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  Speaker 2: he made a big stink about it. It can became public.
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  Speaker 2: The Eagles reverse course, they gave him his money. Um,
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I would say they are few and far between.
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  Speaker 2: But Mike, Chris Maragos, if I'm not mistaken, he successfully
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  Speaker 2: sued the Eagles for something around $ 43 million for some
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  Speaker 2: kind of malpractice suit. Now, that was as recent as what?
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  Speaker 2: The Super Bowl. He was on the first Super Bowl team,
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  Speaker 2: was he not?
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  Speaker 1: 2017?
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  Speaker 2: I believe so. So, you know, I know other or
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  Speaker 2: I know other players have criticized some parts of the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles medical operation, but Mike, they've changed their staff.
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  Speaker 1: So many times. By the way, got $ 43 million in
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  Speaker 1: damages on a negligence suit against doctors who treated him
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  Speaker 1: in 2017.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there have been some incidents. There are few
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  Speaker 2: and far between. I will say ever since they made
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  Speaker 2: some changes going back to the beginning of the Nick
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  Speaker 2: Sirianni era, they have had a very, very healthy roster
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  Speaker 2: compared to everybody else in the NFL. So yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: start criticizing them right now, you know, would be a
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  Speaker 2: sort of like, like a, that armchair quarterbacking, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 1: All right. There is a lot that will probably still,
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  Speaker 1: that still needs to be figured out and discussed when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to Jalen hurts. And of course, everybody is
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  Speaker 1: hoping that Jalen is okay. He will miss the season.
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  Speaker 1: And that is inconsequential at this time. What is, We
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  Speaker 1: would be talking a lot about the ineptitude of this
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  Speaker 1: offense had this thing not been handled so poorly. But
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  Speaker 1: let's get into that. How much of this offense now
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  Speaker 1: is lack of talent versus lack of preparation, coordinator, coach, Sirianni,
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  Speaker 1: whoever it is, in over their heads? Which factor is
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  Speaker 1: bigger to you?
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  Speaker 2: You know, every time I keep telling myself that you
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  Speaker 2: have to look at their talent depravity right now because
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  Speaker 2: of injuries, right? No, no Saquon, no tank, no jail
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  Speaker 2: in no Landon Dickerson traded cam Juergens. Um, I always
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  Speaker 2: default to that first, but that does let the coaching
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  Speaker 2: off the hook and the decision to hire a novice
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  Speaker 2: coach and, um, let him bring in a staff. And
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  Speaker 2: I do think that a lot of the issues from
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  Speaker 2: Sunday's game boil down to protection schemes and, because it's
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  Speaker 2: clear for the last few weeks and certainly yesterday that
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  Speaker 2: defenses are blitzing them in a certain way that they're
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  Speaker 2: getting free rushers at the quarterback. And that is not
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  Speaker 2: a talent issue. That's a, some of it is because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe more veteran offensive linemen can pick up
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  Speaker 2: on some tendencies, but it's also a coaching and a
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  Speaker 2: preparation issue. They're, You cannot absolve that part of it.
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  Speaker 2: When we talk about the 49ers last year, we've talked about,
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  Speaker 2: I talked about the Packers this year who have awful,
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  Speaker 2: awful offensive line injuries and no run game. And yet
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  Speaker 2: they're throwing the ball around on everybody the last few
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  Speaker 2: weeks doing well. The Eagles look like a JV. They
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  Speaker 2: don't even look like a JV offense. They look like
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  Speaker 2: a middle school offense right now against an NFL defense
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  Speaker 2: that Because they are not only just missing out on talent,
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  Speaker 2: but they do look absolutely unprepared. You cannot have your
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  Speaker 2: first play of a game be an 11-yard sack because
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  Speaker 2: you have three guys blocking one and one guy blocking two.
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  Speaker 2: That's unacceptable in any level. So I will not use
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  Speaker 2: the injuries for that. Now, if you told me that
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  Speaker 2: they're losing, like they still wouldn't have won even if
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  Speaker 2: they had X, Y, and Z, I might agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: That part is, Jeff, it's 1914. They get a 10-play
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  Speaker 1: drive that results in a touchdown. They actually seemingly were like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they're starting to get their sea legs on them,
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  Speaker 1: and then they get a punt blocked. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Just a perfect toxic storm of everything that can go
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  Speaker 2: wrong will go wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And you know, I still want to look bad snap.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a talent thing, right? You never see a bad.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think majors? Why was Kendall active in majors?
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  Speaker 1: Was he just an emergency?
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  Speaker 2: So I watched them warm up drew Kendall on the, uh,
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  Speaker 2: right before the game, he was taking snaps. He was
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  Speaker 2: kind of doing vertical sets, snaps, vertical set, snap set,
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  Speaker 2: snap set, uh, with the medical staff, how he was there.
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  Speaker 2: They were evaluating him. And, uh, I couldn't tell while
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  Speaker 2: he was doing those if he was favoring or not,
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  Speaker 2: but when he was done and he walked back to
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  Speaker 2: the locker room, I watched very carefully. He looked to
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  Speaker 2: me like he was still limping as he was walking. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's because he just warmed up
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  Speaker 2: and tested it out and it got aggravated or if
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  Speaker 2: that's the way he's been ever since, but it looked
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  Speaker 2: to me like it was going to be a rough
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  Speaker 2: go for him to try to play.
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  Speaker 1: I guess one would ask, I mean, the offensive line coach,
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  Speaker 1: what role does he have in the ineptitude of this
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  Speaker 1: offensive line? I get it. They're running with some backups here.
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  Speaker 1: But as you just said, they get three guys blocking one, two.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what is his role in the reasoning of that?
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  Speaker 2: If your protection schemes are constantly being exploited, and just
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  Speaker 2: because you lose a rep doesn't mean that you're exploited.
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  Speaker 2: To me, you're exploited when you have what we just
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  Speaker 2: talked about, free rushers, because you have three guys blocking
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  Speaker 2: two and one guy blocking two, or three guys blocking
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  Speaker 2: two and one only getting two, accounting for two. You
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  Speaker 2: can't have that. That's on your protection schemes. And if
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  Speaker 2: you're that predictable, that on the first play that you run,
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  Speaker 2: you're immediately exploited, that is on your offensive line coach.
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  Speaker 2: And your staff for drawing up those kind of protections
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  Speaker 2: and schemes. 100%.
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  Speaker 1: Um, I, there's so much on the offense here that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Tanner McKee, I mean, it's hard to evaluate him.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been the biggest McKee guy. They asked him
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  Speaker 1: to throw 45 times. They don't run the ball at
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  Speaker 1: all for the guy. His line stinks. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to really evaluate him. Um, but asking the guy to
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  Speaker 1: throw 45 times, this is the third game he started
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  Speaker 1: and all three of them, he's throwing the ball over
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  Speaker 1: 40 times. I don't understand that game plan, but it's just,
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  Speaker 1: just them saying we cannot run the ball. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not as upset about the 45 throws because
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  Speaker 2: I would, you know, I haven't charted it. I would
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  Speaker 2: have to say, I'm sure you watched the game eight
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  Speaker 2: to 12 of those throws were really, really quick passes
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  Speaker 2: to the flat that were supposed to be a or
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  Speaker 2: sats run game in the absence of a run game.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they're just going to try to like the
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  Speaker 2: ultimate West coast. So they were going to try to
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  Speaker 2: the past to set up the past. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: try to throw it to the flats, try to get
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  Speaker 2: two or three yards and, a pickup, and then hope
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  Speaker 2: that you can get yourself a manageable second or third down. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: Carson Steele got hurt very early. So a guy that
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  Speaker 2: you wouldn't mind throwing the ball to in the flat
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more, we all saw what he could
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  Speaker 2: do in the preseason, in terms of at least having
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  Speaker 2: some juice and catching the ball, got hurt. So now
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  Speaker 2: you're throwing the ball in the flat to Damian Pierce,
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  Speaker 2: who is an inside between the tackles runner, and he's
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  Speaker 2: not going to get you the yards you deserve, but
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  Speaker 2: I am patently against running just to say you ran.
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  Speaker 2: I am against the idea of running into a brick
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  Speaker 2: wall just to say, hey, we tried to establish the run.
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame them for at least trying to find
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  Speaker 2: an alternative pathway to moving the chains.
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  Speaker 1: They threw a pass to Carson Steele, and of course,
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  Speaker 1: what happened to him? He got hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mentioned. This is the season from.
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  Speaker 1: Hell, Mike. I'm sorry it is. Yeah, but who's left?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, who's left to pass rush anymore? Which edge
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  Speaker 1: rushers are still healthy bodies? I mean, they lost. Hunt
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  Speaker 1: didn't play. Nolan went out. You were already shorthanded up
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  Speaker 1: front there. You know, that situation. The running back, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Steele's active. He goes down in the game yesterday. At
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  Speaker 1: one point, Lemon was in the medical tent. Wicks hurts
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  Speaker 1: his ankle. I mean, you just can't make some of
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  Speaker 1: this stuff up. I'm sure I'm missing a few guys here.
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  Speaker 2: Very surprised that Jaden Blue was– I mean, I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: surprised he was activated. You need to have an insurance
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: running back. But despite whatever the knocks on him were,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: he's explosive. There's no question that Jaden Blue is an
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: explosive running back. You're lacking in explosives. You can't block.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Could you give maybe a couple of carries to a
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: guy who might be able to make something out of nothing?
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: That was a very interesting coaching decision, I thought, especially
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: after Carson Seale wound up getting hurt and you were
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: down to just Damian Pierce.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, you know, I agree with you. I'm
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: not running the ball just to run the ball, but
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: at some point, you know, they're just, they're not, they're
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: three and out, you're three and out, you're three and out.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Like what I'm doing is not working either. Right. Right.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure if they had ran the ball 35 times,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: we'd have been like, what in the world were they
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: thinking running the ball 35 times?
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we'll see.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: 33 yards.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: We'll see Wednesday if, you know, Barkley possibly comes back.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that does for them. Smith, obviously,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: back out there yesterday. And he seemed like he was
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: kind of limited. He left the game at one point.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Then he came back. This is going to be a long.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: This might be historically the worst offense you'll ever see.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Um, I am old enough since we've been talking about this.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Thanks for, for talking about my age here on this, but, uh,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I still remember 2005, uh, the post Superbowl year with
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Mike McMahon, Ryan Motes as the running back. They had
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: about two or three backup. In fact, that was Harriman's
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: first year playing. He wasn't bad, but I mean, they
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: were supposed to have Trey and, uh, Sean Andrews. I,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I forget who it was, but, uh, the bottom line
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: is that was pretty good. No T.O.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: He gets kicked off the team. Um, And so you're
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: playing like Reggie Brown and like Billy McMullen, maybe. Yeah,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: it's just a bad, bad year, you know, but I
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: rivaling that.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I had a guy I had a guy come up
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: to me the other night and say, I remember meeting
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you and Jeff Mosher at the ego bar.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I was actually thinking about that the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: other day. How long we've been doing shows together. And
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: it's been quite a while.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: So apparently the guy who he was telling me about,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: you remember we did an interview one time. I'm pretty
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: sure you were there. It was like a Mosher Monday.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: And they had this group called the Omos Angels.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yes. I do remember the Omos Angels.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we had interviewed the girls were performing there
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: at the Ego Bar at like halftime or before the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: football games on Monday nights. And apparently this guy had
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: married one of those girls that was like in the group.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And he was like, you remember the band? And I'm like, yeah,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: we used to do Mondays there every Monday for a while.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: We created the Mosher Monday, which we're still doing here
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: with Jeff Mosher from the Inside the Birds podcast, phillyvoice.com.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: A bizarre day. for the Eagles where they lose embarrassingly
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: effort by their offense, but that is even trumped by
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the fact that they have handled this Jalen Hurts situation
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: pretty poorly. And I'm wondering if they put somebody else
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: out there to talk about this moving forward here, because
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni did not handle this very well today.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and tell you that there's
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: not going to be anybody else for the microphone.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. All right, we'll talk to Mosher
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday here on Football at Four. Thanks, man.