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Echo & The Bunnymen · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's deprogram. The podcast where we try to get
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you into a band. That's right.
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We've done all the work for you and all you have to do is
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listen, listen, listen. Get it because the band is echo
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in the Bunnymen. So it created in Creative that
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go is very, very, very clever. I think, whatever.
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Coming up with some clever for every band.
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Speaking of clever, our friend Gavin is here, Gavin you put
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Echo, and the Bunnymen on the board, number one, I'm surprised
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it took this long to get to them.
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But um, talk to me about Echo & the Bunnymen and why it is.
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You felt like we needed to talk about them today.
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Oh my God, I'm so happy. We're doing this.
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They were like, my first love, like they, that was the first
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band that I really sort of was bigger than light for me when I
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was a kid. I felt like they were, you know,
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I never really been out of my town in my house and they had
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those great album covers with those dramatic Landscapes.
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And they look kind of like Fantastic adventurers.
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And Felt like all of their records were books like
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adventure books. Like from when I was a kid like
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pressure Island in Robinson Caruso and and I just like fell
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hard for them. They got me young in the heart
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and then a fan for life. So same question to you, Adam at
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Echo &, the Bunnymen was a band. You signed up for pretty early.
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Once, once he came on, talk to me about Echo & the Bunnymen
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then and why, this is something that you were eager to jump on.
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Do I seem to have been somewhere around?
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Echoing the body, like the Cure, The Smiths and so on, and I
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always liked Echo & the Bunnymen.
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But I never really, to be honest with you, I never really got
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into them when I was younger. I tried a few times.
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I loved, I love this Ingles. I tried with their albums, but a
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couple of years ago on another podcast, I heard another podcast
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where they did a deep dive on us.
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Ocean rain and I just from there.
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Just fell in love with them really big time.
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Must have been the right time for me to really listen to them.
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And I can listen to what Gavin saying about their story sort of
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side of of echo. Like it is almost like each
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album is like a book or a movie that you're kind of opening up
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and sitting through, and I just, they're one of my favorite
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bands. Now, if just can't stop
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listening to them, actually, the movement, not even just Not even
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just for this podcast. I just I just I just love them.
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Yeah. So this for me again, so I
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can't, I can't play the fool here.
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I can't play. I've never heard of Echo & the
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Bunnymen. It's not that.
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But this is definitely a band that has always been just
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outside of my /, if you know. And again, it's yet another band
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that strangely like, I don't know how they, I never found
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them on my own. I don't, you know, after
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listening to them, I don't Know how I didn't find this band on
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my own but um, it's a band I'd heard of and, you know, going
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in. I couldn't tell you one song
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and, you know, we'll go, we'll go into songs here in a minute
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but like, I feel like it's this. Yeah, I don't want, I don't want
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to use like legendary necessarily because I don't know
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that they're quite there, but I feel like they are this almost
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cult status band. That plenty.
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I know, plenty of people who, if they don't love them, should And
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if they do somehow they never like beetles these guys on me,
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they never nobody ever tried to shove Echo & the Bunnymen on me.
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So I never gave I never gave them the proper proper.
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Do you know I say all that about?
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You know, the songs and such because It's such a very clear
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influence on on Billy Corgan specifically, and, you know, we
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can we can talk more about that but like, you hear it and you
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go, oh, this is clearly, something Billy listen to and
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probably a lot because you can still hear echo in the Bunnymen
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in the stuff that Billy's doing with the pumpkins.
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So it's a massive discography. So we had to we had to chop it
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down. Somewhere.
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And we'll go to you first Gavin. How did how did you go about
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putting your 20 together for this?
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Yeah, I think I liked it. I liked how we sort of agreed to
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chop it down. We really focused on those 80s
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albums like that core like the first, the first life of the
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bunny man, and then they broke up in a in 87 and they were gone
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for a while and then they still make records.
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I don't know, you know recently, right?
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But I know, you know, these were, I know these records
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inside and out and so it was very easy.
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This list was easy for me. To put together.
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It took me about 10 minutes and then I came back and tapered
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with it a little bit, which was kind of fun.
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I think that the surprise was that I went into it, thinking
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that the first record was maybe my favorite and that probably
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has the least amount of songs on it.
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And I thought that the third record porcupine which was a
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really difficult kind of dense record.
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I wouldn't have that much off of and I sort of Of rediscovered
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that record making the list so that was really fun.
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So, same question to you, Adam and into Gavins Point, you're
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the one who kind of suggested, hey maybe we just do the 80s.
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Records Was there a reason you you suggested that and then how
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did you go about put formulating your 24?
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This I definitely think IDs is Pake Echo, and so, Ian
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McCulloch, the lead singer and found he actually left the band
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after the self-titled album, and they actually released an album
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without him, which I've hardly listened to.
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And then I think he came back. Also, the drama of who I
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definitely want to talk about some stage as we go through the
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songs. He tragically died in a
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motorcycle accident 89. So, Okay.
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Really an 80s band to me, I found it so hard on, especially
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on the first four records because I feel like they're real
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album band and I know that slightly cliche but it's really
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hard to break through which songs in particular, you want to
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single out on those early albums.
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I had 38 to start with. I've got it down to 24 and then
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I actually was stubbornly stuck on 24, and I was going to
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Message you Justin to say, can I come in with 24 please?
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Because those last four, I'm really, I'm really angry about
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the last floor and, and as I come up, I'll bring them up as
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we go through. But I just, I've, I fell really
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hard on those first three albums already.
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Ocean Reina was already very much in love with the the first
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three my love for them now is enormous and I don't know what's
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my favorite album is any, at the moment, I don't know.
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I love it. I love all the first four.
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It's great. So what's funny is I'm looking
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at my list now and I accidentally and I you know,
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usually when this happens I did it on purpose.
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I accidentally even almost everything out, you know,
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exactly there's one. That's got three and all the
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rest have four. And, you know, there's, you
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know, one extra. I'm like I definitely didn't do
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that on purpose. And as I'm listening this,
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here's the frustrating thing. As I'm listening to my 20, I'm
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feeling confident, you know, like because I try to listen to
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my 20 and then I try to listen to everything day of, I listen
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to my 20 and I'm like, yeah, I think I did good.
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I think I've I think I've got it, I Stand this band.
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I think I picked great choices. I think, you know, I think I'm
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going to do well and then, you know, as I'm listening to like
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the the whole playlist. I didn't, I never once got that
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feeling of, oh, I'm wrong. I should have done this song but
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I got that feeling of, oh man, this easily could have gone on
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the list and the other guys could easily have this to Adams
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Point, like, It's an it it's albums.
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So like as you know, maybe I maybe I played too fast and free
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with my cuts and didn't think hard enough about why I'm
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selecting what I'm selecting. So, you know, you know, maybe it
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maybe I was just subconsciously trying to make it easy for
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myself. But yeah, there's there's a lot,
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a lot of available tracks. There's this is Yet again
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another brand where there's not that much that you go.
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Yeah. This this doesn't do it for me.
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This this, there's no room for this.
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It's a lot of just kind of going on the, on the whim.
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And then last thing I'll say forget the name of the record
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off offhand, but like, you know, I'll I guess its self-titled.
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Yeah. Again.
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I expect by that point in the discogs that the band slows down
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like as far as, you know, finding things that I can, I can
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really point to and go. Yes, this is what they're doing.
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But I think I found that I was drawn to that record the most
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and yeah, I think okay I had now again, everything came out even
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But I had the most from that on my first pass and to Gavins
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Point as I'm listening to the first record, I'm like, oh,
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there's no way like it gets better, you know?
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Like this is gonna be, this is gonna be the jam and like, you
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know, I'm as I'm coming back through.
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I'm slowly whittling away. And I'm like, man, I can't
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believe to Adams point, I can't believe some of these are
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hitting the floor. I can't Believe this like listen
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to the song I'm like oh my God this song isn't going to make my
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list. Okay.
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Alright well so yeah it was it was maddening but like I had to
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chalk it up to look you gotta come down to 20 and you know
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however you get there is how you get there.
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But that tells me that we could be in for it tonight.
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Fellas. Yeah.
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Which brings me to the next question, based on everything
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that we've talked about so far Our Gavin, how many do you think
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for the final say that will get through unanimously?
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Yeah, I'm going to say, well, first of all, let me just say I
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love that you, you know, had so many songs and your first cut
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because I can't tell how these bands from the early 80s that I
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love translate now in 2023, Justin, you know what I mean?
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Like I think with the second record like it's a I can totally
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see the pumpkins into that and it's like a no-brainer but
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there's a lot. Of that sparkly orchestral, New
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Wave stuff that I don't know. It's kind of like yep.
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You had to be there. Maybe they're very are very
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dramatic band and so I was just happy that you were struggling.
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I think, I think we'll get 500k. I like that.
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I like that. All right.
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Adam, what do you think? I've got a reasonably even
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distribution as well? I totally agree Justin on the
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dramatic piece and I think there's a good chance that there
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are songs in their discography that could be in the, in the
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conversation, for the best songs of all time it, you know, it
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list of 100. I think there's a few Classic
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song. So we should learn those, you'd
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hope. So, I'm going to, I'm actually
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going to go six, nice. I feel like that.
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I feel like we might land a lot. Yeah, I like that.
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I like it boys. You guys are going positive.
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That means I got to go the other way.
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But to be honest, my first instinct was five as well.
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Like, I feel like, I feel like there's five in there that are
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like, yeah. Okay.
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That's those are the ones. Yes.
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So do I undercut or do I go low low?
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That's the question. Do I just do the four or do I go
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even lower. It 3-3 feels to criminally low.
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For feels like I might have a chance still like for might be,
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you know, you guys have something that that just didn't
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hit me and it's like, I can't believe you didn't have that
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one. Justin, what an asshole?
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So I'm going to go for like I'm going to, I'm going to play
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spoiler at some point, maybe, okay?
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through the 80s portion of the Echo and the Bunnymen
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discography and plucked out 20 songs that we're now going to
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mash together in an attempt to create a top 10 certificate for
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you. In case you have never given
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them a chance. I'm not going to do the thing I
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normally do but I am going to do the thing that I'm going to go
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with the song where I knew I was in trouble and it's going to be
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upsetting if you guys don't have it.
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But I also understand but I knew what I was in for the second, I
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heard this song. I knew what the band was going
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to be. I knew that the albums were
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going to be thick and that there weren't going to be very many
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easy cuts. Do it clean.
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I don't have do it clean but that was my first favorite song
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by them, when I was a kid. All right.
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Absolutely love it. Sorry Justin.
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It's know, I had a feeling but to my point I knew I was in
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trouble. The second.
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I heard this. I was like, oh and because this
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is the second track because usually, you know, I can lock in
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on the first track. and more on that later, but The second, this
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one starts I'm like, oh no, like I was hoping I was hoping for a
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break. It was the first song I ever
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learned to play on an instrument.
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I learned the bass guitar. Playing that song?
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Oh, nice. All right.
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All right. O for one.
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He starts with an over. All right, Gavin Well so I'm
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going to go I'm going to try to hopefully hit.
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Justin up here. Earth Track her side.
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First album. Do you have going going up off
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crocodiles? Yes I do.
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Yes I do. I didn't think you guys would
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have that. Sorry.
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Song, it's so cool. I love that song.
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Can I, I just want to say something really quick about
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that song, Just So at the end, it gets really Meandering and
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loopy, and kind of psychedelic and stuff, and like he's
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mumbling and I figured out. So what he's saying in at the
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end, that's kind of in comprehensible, he's saying, if
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you really want to know what's wrong with this world, there's
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not enough people walking around with flowers in their hair,
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great because the punks were really trying to like distance
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themselves from the 60s and like, the Bunnymen just really
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leaned into that. Yeah, but in a dark way because
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it was post, you know, Altamont and Charles Manson and bad acid,
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right? So like they had that
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perspective on it, that they played with it.
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But anyway, that's so great. You guys have that, can I say
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something about that song too? I just love that that first 30
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seconds, like it's like you're walking into a smoky Club in
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London and the songs are already half through and you're walking
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into the room and the songs already on and it's getting
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louder because you're walking towards it.
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It's just It's just such a simple effect but but it really
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draws you in American, oh cool, i-i've made mention a million
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times in. This is what I was talking
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about. This was the other song I was
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talking about when I when I presented, do it clean, I knew
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what I was getting with the band here, you know, I knew I was in
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trouble with do it clean but going up, you know, the second I
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started playing it. You know, as Adam said, you
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know, it takes a second to get there, but once it was It's it
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hammers in your like oh this this yeah.
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This is what this band does. Okay cool and like I said you
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know I had do it clean just because I knew there's no easy
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outs after that but yeah man I love love, love love, love, love
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when a band tells me immediately this is what's up and you know
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this is this is precisely that All right.
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Adam Like I I'm Gonna Come Out Swinging are working with one of
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my, it's, it's a reasonably large single of theirs but
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through listening and listening further and further, it's just a
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song that I just absolutely love to death.
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Now more than ever, I always liked it, but even more and
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that's that the cutter on porcupine.
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Yeah, there we go. There we go.
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And I think that's my favorite Bunnymen song.
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Yeah, it's definitely up there, isn't it?
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I mean, Yeah. The almost Arabic sounding
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violin. I don't know how you get a
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violin to sound like it's Middle Eastern, but it's incredible.
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Yeah, and there's like a, there's like a set of four lines
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of lyrics in there that are. Maybe my, I don't know, like,
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right up there with my all-time favorite lyrics.
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Like, I want to paint them on the side of my house.
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Great, I love that song. It says, one of those songs that
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is is one of the best songs. In my opinion of all time, I
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think it's definitely got a case.
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It's got a case to be in that top 500 best, I'm awesome.
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This is this is definitely a song where I feel like Corrigan
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juice some inspiration from and like, you know, you know, you
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know, not a note for note type of deal but like I feel like he
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did some of this on Siamese. He did some of this on a door,
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he even more specifically This on mashina only you know what
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Billy did is more like layered. So you kind of kind of listened
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to hear this with it. But yeah man like the second I
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heard it I was like, oh okay, yes here's something a little
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different. But to Adams point, I do feel
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like this one. This one felt like one of the
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home runs like this is one that I was.
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Yeah, I was pretty sure of All right, not bad.
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Not a bad first round. Okay.
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All right. Um, Let me go to the next part,
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where I knew I was, I knew I was even in more trouble.
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I'm going to tell him. I'm basically going to be
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telling the story of why I was very mad at you guys today.
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So the next time I knew I was in trouble.
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What again this is. I hope you guys have it
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obviously, but I understand if you don't show of strength.
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I don't have skills, Frank thought the second album that's
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a really great song. Adam can't see me either.
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That's okay. Now I can.
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Oh yeah, I have it. I have it.
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Sorry, I do have it. Yes.
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Okay, whew. It's got a to okay.
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Okay, Justin's not out of his mind here.
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Now the second this played again, like I thought first
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album this is going to be it in, you know, it'll kind of not
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necessarily fade out but like it'll get easier.
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I'll be able to refine from there on Out Show.
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A strength starts and I'm like, oh no, it actually got even
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better. Great.
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Yeah, it's actually I was writing about this song because
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I want to know what is about. I think it was about Margaret
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Thatcher was during their as early 80s.
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So it's a very political song. Auntie auntie Thatcher so, but
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it's such a great song, such an angry song, but it's awesome.
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Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't take issue with any choice of
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the first four records. You guys have.
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They're all like my favorite songs.
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I'm going to Saying oh yeah, I love that song that I don't
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happen but I would say that it might be.
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Yeah, we take the same Kevin. Yeah, I may take issue with
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Justin on the last on the self-titled, 87 record and maybe
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you too Adam, but that's another story.
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But yeah, any I could have traded out any of the songs on
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the first four records. All right, I agree with that.
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All right. Gavin Europe.
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Well, we should probably knock out some of these ocean rain
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tracks because because I was just, you know, in putting
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together my list, I was just faced with The absolute like,
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Genius of that record and how you cannot.
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I could not Escape. I could have put every song on
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Ocean rain and I practically did.
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I mean I was like oh my God like howdy it was just and that's the
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record that may be the most divisive because I think it's
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the most 80. It's the most of its time is the
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most 80s sounding record and probably has the most kind of
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New Wave you know, stuff on it but let's go.
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For a deep cut on Ocean range. You guys have thorn of crowns.
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Yes. Okay.
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No, that's the best song about vegetables ever written.
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Yeah, he does some at that point he's just kind of like I could
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do anything, he's confidence, you know, I can sing about
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cabbage and cucumber and carrots and like I will destroy
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everyone. With this vegetable song.
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Um, So, you know, I talked about this in the beginning, I think
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this is the other record that I had trouble with with cuts in.
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You know what we'll talk about. You know, I knew I was in
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trouble, we'll get to that point because the second you said,
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throwing a crowns. This is another one of those
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ones where I was like, oh yeah, I do have that right.
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Oh no, I don't think so it definitely, I don't know where
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it was on my Cutlass, but it was definitely one of the harder
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ones that had to have been one of the last like Five maybe at
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worst. I like 7.
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Like it was it was one I wrestled with.
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So all right, Adam. Okay, I'm gonna go back to the
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album, the 2nd album Heaven up there, which is probably and the
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album that I've just realized through this process, how much I
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love probably the most. And actually, one thing I wanted
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to say is Echo & the Bunnymen when they're started with just a
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two-piece, they didn't have a drummer.
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So echo echo was actually the drum machine.
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So if this is in 1978, so they started, so it was Ian and will
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Sergeant Ian McCulloch in will sergeant and then, luckily they
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finally got it. They got to try my pretty
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quickly and the drums and this song just blow me away over the
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wall. Yes.
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I think this is maybe my favorite song of theirs.
27:23
Now, I just can't stop listening to it.
27:25
Adam, they just put out the, like, the peel sessions, the BBC
27:30
Sessions. And I think the over the wall
27:34
BBC Sessions is like one of the greatest things I've ever done.
27:39
It's so much bursting of Dynamics and that songs.
27:43
Incredible, it's funny that again, that was something I did
27:47
not know about this bandwidth. Starting as a two-piece with a
27:51
drum machine. Yet, another think organ took
27:54
from this band, when the pumpkin started, you know, a, even I
27:58
think maybe even with the mark, but then the first few gigs as
28:02
the Smashing Pumpkins. It's just James D'Arcy, Billy,
28:05
and a drum machine before the, yeah, yeah.
28:07
Before that. Yeah.
28:09
So like, pre gift stuff is very much Echo & the Bunnymen.
28:17
All right, so, let's see. That was Adam.
28:20
So we're back to me. Yeah, okay.
28:24
Hmm. I'll wait to do my next time.
28:28
I knew I was in trouble. But I'll stay on that atom or
28:33
I'll stay on that album with you.
28:35
Adam it was a pleasure. Why.
28:41
No, okay. I guess it again but of swap
28:47
that out, great song, it's a great.
28:50
So yeah the whole album I guess I should have thought about it a
28:54
little harder. So they were from Liverpool,
29:02
right? Justin like and Liverpool is it
29:05
really you know, unique town in England?
29:09
It's it's a it's very working-class, you know, Rough
29:14
and Tumble. But but very poetic artistic a
29:20
lot of sailors. A lot of see mythology, a lot of
29:24
sea shanties and the Bunnymen have a lot of sea shanty
29:28
structure to Their songs. I just kind of obviously the
29:33
Beatles were from Liverpool, of course, duh, but I just love
29:37
that place. Do you guys have seven seas from
29:43
Ocean rain? Yes, me too nice.
29:49
That is definitely one. I did not count account for as
29:53
one of the ones. Great actually.
29:56
Technically only one of them was one of the ones that I thought
30:01
would be the one so far. Dig it.
30:10
I have to see the way he's pronunciation on some songs and
30:16
you break made a point of that Justin with a starter.
30:20
But this one like what is the Toy Show?
30:51
It's just such a great. And Ryan is a story.
30:58
Isn't that really the whole album?
31:00
It's like it's all worth it. All the songs are involved, the
31:03
ocean and thing at. Yeah, digging outside.
31:07
It's just this sort of real story told through.
31:11
Yeah. The cover of the record is so
31:12
great them in that in that lit up blue cave in a in a yellow
31:18
and a yellow boat. All right.
31:24
Adam, you're up. I'm really excited about you. -
31:29
I'm going to get stay there and like the I'm going to go with
31:34
the first song, Silver. Yeah, I have silver me too.
31:42
Yeah silver feels like a sister song to Seven Seas.
31:46
It's another early bright epic New Wave like shimmering pop
31:51
song. Yeah but this is the Pirate
31:53
song. What this is swings from the
31:55
chandelier such a great opening. This is the Pirates have arrived
32:00
and it's just, yes. Yeah, their choreography.
32:06
Yeah. Sorry you go.
32:12
Oh yeah. They're like you know you think
32:14
about laying out some crazy map of with sea monsters and foreign
32:22
lands and yeah, episode capture your imagination.
32:26
You know, they're in a mat. They live in your, this band
32:29
lives in my imagination. You know, they're not about, you
32:32
know, breaking up with your girlfriend or, you know, trouble
32:35
at work like what they're like, we, you know, more lofty than
32:40
that. Point, I didn't even, I didn't
32:43
even really put that together. like, I just kind of was drawn
32:50
to the, to the music and You know, and the vocals obviously
32:56
but like not really digging into the lyrics but like you can tell
33:02
that these aren't love songs just by listening to them, you
33:05
know what I mean? Yeah you know maybe a love song
33:07
for like hey I love the ocean or hey I love vegetables.
33:12
Hey I love this that or the other but like not you know all
33:16
man my girlfriend sucks or so on so forth.
33:21
It's so It's all imagery, isn't it?
33:24
I mean, this there are a couple of lyrics in the song that I
33:28
want to point out that probably my favorite blind Sailors.
33:31
Imprisoned jailers. So you can't really be a blind
33:34
sailor and an imprisoned. Jailer is like a, you know,
33:39
nonsensical as well. But so it's just evokes so much
33:43
imagery. Yeah, I think they wrote, I mean
33:46
there's to me, they wrote songs about Transcendence, you know,
33:49
there are traps, they were they were metaphysical and
33:54
transcending The Human Experience into something
33:57
mythical and and archetypal I sound like a total nerd right
34:02
now but they feel bigger. Okay, cool.
34:08
Yeah, just like that, we're at my for and we've still only hit
34:14
the One of the songs that I thought, for sure.
34:18
So, like we've got three that I didn't, I didn't see coming, So
34:25
now the question becomes, do I go with one of the ones?
34:27
I worry about the ones that I thought were home, runs aren't
34:34
so, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to stay on Ocean rain with
34:37
y'all. This one felt like a home run
34:40
but maybe I'm wrong. The Killing Moon.
34:44
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, go. Yeah.
34:47
That that is, that's one of the best songs ever.
34:51
Yeah, probably probably just in like, the common consensus would
34:56
be that. That's their finest song.
34:58
I think that singer says that, when he dies at least, he knows
35:04
that he wrote The Killing Moon, because he will be the first to
35:09
tell you. It's the greatest song ever
35:10
written. It's hard to argue with that.
35:13
Yeah. And yeah, but that's kind of
35:18
there. you know, they're there their stink on the moon in
35:25
Antarctica there flag Yeah, he's not short on confidence.
35:30
Is he a singer? But broadly, so on this song I
35:41
was going to say about the song to and you mentioned about the
35:44
pumpkins, but there's, there's so many bands influenced by
35:49
Echo. So it that they were real.
35:53
They were probably not as popular as I could have been.
35:57
But they're definitely the hottest band in this 56 cover
36:01
versions that I found of the song Spotify and one of my
36:08
favorite bands which is potentially an arch nemesis band
36:12
of the pumpkins is pavement this.
36:15
So, they're so diverse in terms of In terms of their, their
36:22
inspiration, I think. Because they change their sound
36:24
through their albums. This because this happens quite
36:28
different than the three before I can hear.
36:32
All sorts of different influences of different types of
36:34
bands. All through all through this
36:36
stuff, And just read ahead. Justin, I was just going to say
36:42
just like that, we sailed past my for right into Gavin's five.
36:47
Yeah, one thing I want to note about killing Moon, which is new
36:51
information for me. And I thought I kind of knew
36:54
everything about that song. I read this book Adam about the
36:58
like of, like, press clippings. Basically, from the Bunnymen, I
37:02
think it's called the weird and Wild world of the book Echo and
37:06
the Bunnymen or something. And Ian was saying that The song
37:11
is a love. A love letter to Lucifer the
37:20
Satan. Wow.
37:22
So the next time you listen to that and in that context and it
37:26
takes on a whole new meaning to Great.
37:30
Wow. Okay.
37:31
We'll do that for sure. It's my turn.
37:36
Yes sir. Okay, so I want to go to the
37:41
release of the third record porcupine.
37:44
I had it since I was a kid, it's really kind of a difficult
37:48
record. I feel like they were really in
37:50
their heads. It's very cerebral and Dent is
37:53
hardly any Oxygen in the record. It's like math.
37:57
Like, they're trying to work out, you know.
37:59
It feels like Prague, like New Wave, Prague progressive rock,
38:03
you know. And there's a Yeah, but I'm
38:07
going to go for a deep dramatic. Cut on that record because I
38:11
don't think anyone will have it. Do you guys have a song called
38:14
clay? Mmm, nope.
38:17
Yes. Oh, yeah.
38:21
And oh my God. The way you described that that,
38:27
you know, this record is like, I felt like this records, you
38:30
know, those Paintings that sort of 3D paintings you going to
38:34
stare at them and then eventually you can see something
38:38
like it to be honest I didn't I thought I'd not sure if I really
38:41
like this album that much for a while until eventually the song
38:46
start popping out when you and then when they do they just
38:49
they're unbelievable. It takes me 40 years to
38:54
understand some of the songs on that record of clay is such
38:57
like, it's so over, right and overdramatic.
39:01
And it's like a Opera a new way of Opera but it's like so great.
39:07
I can't believe you have it. That's so cool.
39:09
I love. Isn't it nice when your heart is
39:12
made out of ice? So yeah, so slick is so cynical
39:15
and just I don't know. It's just it's they're at their
39:19
most kind of aggressive prickly kind of I don't really know how
39:25
to put into words but I guess it's porcupines the album so
39:29
they it's a pretty song. Yes.
39:32
All right, Adam. Okay.
39:36
I'll stay on that record as well.
39:40
And one thing that because I do think they've got so many
39:43
different sorts of sounds. There's something that I didn't
39:46
necessarily think about them as being as a bit funky.
39:49
Look, they got a funky and kind of groovy prove to them
39:52
sometimes and this comes out on a song called rightness.
39:58
I don't have it. I'll save you.
40:00
I got it. Wow.
40:05
And I think just like that. It's be fine.
40:10
Yep, we are officially out of in teepee.
40:12
So, nothing's coming out of the trash at least.
40:17
And still Fair bit. The guy really?
40:18
Yeah. And I still feel like we there's
40:22
like a couple more that feel like yeah Jimmy's yeah.
40:27
Um okay. Where do I go?
40:35
You know, maybe let me, let me go to the one that connected,
40:40
you know, maybe this. I think this might be possibly
40:44
another gimme. It just I guess it depends and I
40:48
had this before the video got sent.
40:50
God damn it before. The video got sent a chat lips
40:54
like sugar. Yes, I don't have it.
41:00
Mmm. Okay, so we traded one of my,
41:04
one of my game. He's 4 for something deeper.
41:09
I dig it and we officially have a conversation to I'm going for.
41:15
It's interesting how the sound changed on that last album and
41:19
you can even hear again. If you to about that sound, the
41:24
sound this point. Ali, that was nothing.
41:30
That's all that's great. Sell all right, got it.
41:37
Let me go back to the second record, which have been up here.
41:40
I think is the only record I didn't own when I was a kid.
41:43
That's where they're all standing on that beach.
41:46
So I discovered it a little later like in my 20s.
41:50
It's such a dark. Oh my God there's so many like
41:52
crazy dark songs on there. And that's really that, like
41:56
post-punk Record of theirs that I think influenced a lot of
42:01
other bands. Do you guys have the song Heaven
42:05
up here? Yep, I do not.
42:11
That's great. Can't that's we're like matching
42:16
on so much stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah that's all.
42:19
I thought this suddenly just ends.
42:21
Just it's it. Builds and builds and builds and
42:24
then just this just ain't. Ya gets me every time.
42:29
Yeah. All right, Adam.
42:33
Okay. I can't let it go back to.
42:37
I'm going to go haven't gone there at all yet.
42:39
So I'm going to go to a crocodile first album and a song
42:44
that reminds me of a quite a few Australian bands actually
42:51
picture on my wall. Mmm, I don't have it.
42:56
It's the first single silvery. I can't see ya.
43:03
Okay, it reminds me, I don't know if you guys know the
43:06
go-betweens which all right foot down.
43:10
I have put them down on the, oh my God.
43:12
I would have loved to do the go-betweens.
43:14
Also it up mate and we'll do it. That would be awesome.
43:26
So this is the point of the show where I read it reiterate like I
43:30
had almost all of crocodiles I had a good portion of
43:33
crocodiles. I don't want to over exaggerate
43:36
but like this probably 2122 like this is one of the absolute last
43:42
cuts and one of the ones where I I said really this one's going
43:48
to hit the floor, Justin. Yeah.
43:53
All right. Back to me, huh?
43:57
I keep scrolling over this one. I love this name.
44:03
Heads Will Roll. Yes, I know.
44:08
But I'd love. That is a okay at this point of
44:13
course it's actually just making the conversation harder but
44:18
yeah, all right, Gavin So, let's go back to the first record.
44:32
Do you guys have rescue? Yes, me too.
44:38
Oh, well, yeah. Absolutely.
44:44
Again, another one I did not expect to be unanimous.
44:48
Oh, so that was an immediate connection with me when I was a
44:51
kid. Like that was the that was
44:53
probably the song where I just got them like immediately and
44:58
self-deprecation in that song. And it's just so simple and so
45:02
smart and like such a great fun. So I find K.
45:06
This is a funky train so yeah, and just like that we slink past
45:13
Gavin's 56. With more than you guys at 9:00.
45:30
Okay, wow. All right.
45:34
Adam it is your turn. I think I think I've got five.
45:38
Yeah. But I'm not. okay, I'm gonna go
45:44
to one of the songs that I've always loved before.
45:51
I really got into the echo echo, and the Bunnymen, and I'm
45:54
thinking the smart. Hopefully, I'll find you guys
45:57
for this one, and it's on the soundtrack.
46:01
Pretty, in Pink. Bring on the dancing horses.
46:06
I got it. Yeah I've got it.
46:10
That's a fantastic song. You Know lose we all lose.
46:15
Yeah. This is probably one of my
46:18
favorite soundtracks. Pretty in Pink soundtrack.
46:22
Yes. That's just amazing.
46:28
Yeah, look for obviously. Yeah.
46:35
Suzanne Vega in excess New Order.
46:38
It's just unbelievable. It's like the original version
46:42
of the first version of shell-shocked.
46:46
Yeah. I'll tell you like this is one
46:49
because I think you brought it up in the chat, right, Adam.
46:54
He said, hey, we and you know, like, I don't know if you were
46:59
tipping her hand or so. Like I had to listen to it with
47:02
a grain of salt. Yeah.
47:05
But then like as I'm listening to it I'm like of course, this
47:08
is him. Sorry to do that but I felt like
47:14
I felt like I had to be in the conversation.
47:16
Yeah. I mean, again, maybe you're
47:20
tipping your hand but also rightfully so like all three of
47:24
us picked it. So, yeah, with them.
47:29
Never stop. There's a single called never
47:31
stop. Yeah.
47:33
I should have like throwing that in the mix, but I've heard Yeah,
47:36
that scribe song so that was one of the ones I felt like was it
47:43
was it gaming? So Wow.
47:48
Swell up to seven a couple Ava and again, there's still like if
47:54
Adam has four, maybe we do two more rounds and dump out.
48:02
How about? Hmm.
48:06
I don't know what all, I'll start doing some of these ones
48:10
that are on my controversial. Take how about lost and found?
48:18
I don't have it not, okay. One of us has got to take the
48:24
take the fall. Yeah.
48:29
All right. Gavin I want to tell the story
48:34
really quick so they did this thing called a crystal day.
48:39
This is all pre internet, of course, and all that stuff where
48:42
their fans could get this special ticket and they had to
48:45
meet at this boat in the Liverpool on the Mercy, River at
48:49
the certain time and everybody got on the boat and it took them
48:53
across to Liverpool from from the mainland.
48:57
And then and everybody gets on bicycles and They don't know
49:01
what they're doing and they follow this path and the
49:04
Bunnymen, take them to all their favorite places in Liverpool,
49:08
like their favorite Diner and all.
49:11
And then they end up in this really weird location, the
49:13
Bunnymen play. And it was called a crystal day
49:16
was like the name of that event. Is such a cool like you know,
49:20
Willy Wonka mysterious like thing.
49:23
You guys have Crystal days off of ocean rain.
49:30
No, I think that probably would have if I would have known that
49:33
story, I think that probably would have bumped because that's
49:37
cool, that's really cool. Especially as you mentioned
49:39
pre-internet, like Yeah, you like arranging something like
49:43
that like treasure hunt. Yeah.
49:49
And now as I'm listening to it I'm like oh yeah like I could, I
49:53
had this. Yeah.
49:56
All right Adam. So this is my third time playing
50:01
this just in you think I'd get better at counting.
50:04
I've got five left now. Okay so yeah.
50:07
So sorry about that. I'm going to go with another
50:13
kind of groovy funky tune a promise from Heaven up there.
50:20
I don't have a promise I do. Awesome.
50:31
So we'll call this the last shoot man.
50:36
Like we're really just all I've got left.
50:39
Almost is just the stuff in the 87 record.
50:44
How about over you No. Why sounds like you guys are
50:52
over me. I got love that album.
51:00
I'll probably need to give it more of a guy.
51:04
Yeah, you know what? I got to be honest, I think, I
51:08
think what happened is the band made me fall in love with them,
51:11
you know, with those first couple records.
51:13
And so, like as I'm listening to everything, when I get to
51:17
self-titled, I'm I was just open to it.
51:20
So because I was already there, like, I didn't, I didn't have to
51:23
wait, you know, however, long I didn't have to, you know, it
51:26
wasn't revisiting, it was, it was all brand new.
51:29
So I think, I think the glow of all the other records made that
51:34
one stronger for me, you know, if that makes any sense.
51:40
All right. Gavin, so I'll meet you on that
51:43
record, just in one of my favorite songs, by them, is on
51:46
that record. It's called the game.
51:47
Do you have the game? I do.
51:50
That. Oh, I know, wow.
52:11
Okay. Alright, so I'm just going to
52:13
dump out from here because I at this point I don't have much
52:15
left. I'll start at the top turquoise
52:20
days. No, it wasn't my first cat, but
52:25
nice and feels bad about it. Now the fact that I was a great
52:31
so I didn't hit, I didn't hit. All right.
52:34
Next one I have is back of love. No, yes, yes.
52:41
Yep. Let's go to.
52:47
All right. My very last one, my kingdom.
52:55
Yes. Yes.
53:00
Why kingdom is one of the best songs ever?
53:03
It's so green. The rear dump out unanimous.
53:10
I told you wow. Gents.
53:22
Wow. You guys realize what we have
53:32
nine was so got was still, got us so we can't get any more
53:38
unanimous. That's your out just out here.
53:40
Yeah, so all you can do is make the conversation harder from
53:43
here. All right.
53:46
Gavin, wow. Okay, let's go back to the first
53:52
album. This was a song that kind of,
53:54
looks like something was going on in this room.
53:57
And it's obviously there's drugs and it's dark and it's strange
54:01
and I was all in. So you guys have Billiards
54:04
Terrace. And that's mayhap.
54:10
Oh wow. Okay so gots a to and Adam is
54:14
officially out. So I guess just whatever for
54:17
just for funsies it, whatever you got left.
54:18
Gavin Adam. You had Billiards Terrace.
54:22
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I thought that might be
54:26
one that we get three, but yeah, but it's sort of like an early
54:33
version of. It's almost what you can see The
54:36
Killing Moon became You know like yeah, that's a good point.
54:42
Yeah, yeah. So that after second record I
54:45
have all my colors which is one of my all-time favorite songs by
54:49
them. It was called xinbo for a while.
54:51
It held the Burundi drummers on it, that will.
54:55
Yeah. That was one of my like, that
54:57
was you had 24 to 20. That was one of the ones that
55:00
got angry about cutting. Yeah.
55:02
All my colors. Yeah.
55:04
I had no dark things off of the second record, I love. that song
55:09
I had in Bluer Skies of porcupine, I had ocean like
55:16
yeah, I had ocean rain up, ocean rain.
55:19
And I'm not too sad to cut that but that's, that's it.
55:23
All right, right. Wow.
55:26
Um, all right, so let me sort this and then we'll get our
55:29
official read here, 9. We were all wrong.
55:34
None of us got it. Here's what's here's what's in
55:37
going up. Rescue the cutter silver.
55:40
The Killing Moon. Seven Seas a, my kingdom, the
55:43
game. And bring on the dancing horses.
55:47
We already we covered everything pretty well.
55:52
Ocean rain does have four through.
55:54
I don't know if you guys want to hold that against it but I don't
55:58
know that. Anything got to just throwing of
56:01
throwing of crown. I'm fine.
56:04
I'm fine to cut that. We already negotiating Justin.
56:09
Yeah. If do you want me to give a
56:11
rundown of the other ones that are in and then yeah.
56:16
Yeah. All right, so we got Villiers
56:18
Terrace show of strength over the wall.
56:22
A promise. Heaven up here, back of Love,
56:25
Clay heads will roll ripeness and then we already cut Throne
56:29
of crowns and lips like sugar. I mean I'm open to hear whatever
56:34
anybody's got on what they think the last one should be Well,
56:41
I'll I'll jump in there Adam and say that we don't have anything
56:47
off having up here. Oh, really you serious?
56:52
Over the wall. Got to and Heaven up here.
56:56
Got to Out of those two. If I had to choose, I'd probably
57:03
pick over the wall. But hey, I don't know if we care
57:06
about representation and I'm not trying to bully the
57:08
conversation, I'm just noting that we don't have anything off
57:11
that record. I feel very strongly about one
57:15
song on this list, okay? That's not mine.
57:17
It very strongly and it is over the wall.
57:21
Like I said before, it's probably my one of my favorites
57:24
of this. So, if we're going to have one
57:27
go through, it's the one you met.
57:29
I honestly feel like that kind of makes the decision for us.
57:32
Like, it's one of the two that Gavin put up there.
57:36
I was the odd man out. So let's make that the official
57:39
10th, I feel like that makes the most sense to me.
57:43
And that gives us 10. Here we go.
57:45
Going up, rescue the cutter silver.
57:48
The Killing Moon. Seven Seas my kingdom, the game.
57:51
Bring on the dancing horses and over the wall rounds out, our
57:54
top 10 now. Gavin, of course, it can't stop
57:58
there. We got to make it even harder of
58:00
the of those ten songs, which one's the one, So I think again,
58:08
like I said, right? Like like conventional wisdom
58:11
would say that you put the Killing Moon up but you know,
58:16
it's on the Donnie Darko soundtrack.
58:18
Like a lot of people know that song I would put up the cutter.
58:21
I think it's it's my favorite song with a bunny.
58:25
What do you think? Adam Just need to make it about
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the podcast, interesting. Maybe I'll just a great.
58:33
That cutter is brilliant. What else would you go with?
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So hmm. So a lot of them are deeper cats
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after that, aren't they? Okay, what about My kingdom
58:56
interesting. That's a radical choice.
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I like that. Yeah, it's a dark horse Choice.
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Really? I look, I'll be happy with the
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cutter. I would be.
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I'm happy. Justin, you want to choose
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between those how dare you? That's that's not rude.
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Sir. Oh, she's another one.
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Well, here's the thing. Here's my, my eyes went directly
59:21
to the cutter because it's deliciously different like, you
59:27
know, it's so them but it's like it's them without going way too.
59:33
Out of the way to be them. If that makes sense, my other
59:37
inclination was going up but but that's just because like I said,
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you know, I have a thing for telling me what's up, like the
59:47
second I push play, like I love that.
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But um, I think it's the Kata probably since that was our all
59:56
three of our inclination, right? Like we all kind of LED their
1:00:00
first. All right, let's do that.
1:00:02
Then make it easy. Let's not make this any Harder
1:00:05
than it has to be needs to make the best of the year to if,
1:00:10
yeah, that song should really have a go at that for sure.
1:00:14
You know. I feel like it this has a
1:00:18
chance, you know, would be would be the other thing.
1:00:21
I think Fredo's actually a bunny man fan, and I'm, I'm shocked
1:00:27
that he's not here, but he isn't so waiver.
1:00:32
Yeah, hello Fredo. All right, so Hey, just exactly
1:00:36
one thing really quick. Sure, the guitar player from the
1:00:40
bunny man just has a brand-new like 7-inch single out and the
1:00:47
B-side is by a guy named Paul Stimson from The Wild Swans who
1:00:51
is in Liverpool, a contemporaries of the bunny man
1:00:55
in the 80s and that is out on feral child, recordings in
1:01:00
London, and I'm grabbing a copy of that.
1:01:03
It's going to sell out really quick.
1:01:04
No. Wow.
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Well hopefully by May 25th, this episode comes out hopefully
1:01:12
it'll still be available if not you know if it is get on it.
1:01:16
All right, so the cutter is our number one silver.
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The Killing Moon Seven Seas. Let me go to the other one
1:01:22
because it'll be easier to read again.
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The cutter going up, rescue silver, The Killing Moon.
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Seven Seas my kingdom, the game. Bring on the dancing horses and
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over the wall, round out our top 10.
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Let's let the cutter get a moment in the sun.
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Yeah, this is right. Correct.
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We have done it, we have gotten you into the into the into Echo
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& the Bunnymen, you're very welcome and hey man, maybe you
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want to completely, you know what, maybe don't want to come
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play today. I got a request.
1:02:08
Somebody asks us to talk about Dashboard Confessional,
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confessional on the signup sheet but they didn't sign up.
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They didn't want to talk, they just want us to talk about
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Dashboard. Confessional you can do that
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too. If there's a band we have not
1:02:19
covered yet. You can you can say, hey, I
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don't want to play, but will you please talk about this band and
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We'll put it out there and we'll see if somebody signs up.
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If you do want to play, it's the same thing.
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You go to Legion of stupid.com, click on podcast, click on
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Maybe is a sign-up sheet and you just tell me what band you want
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talked about, we'll figure it out.
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Also, if you do sign up, please be on the lookout for an email
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from me because I will try to reach you and try to get you in
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So, So yeah, we do the show on Discord, so if you're already on
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Click that, it'll take you to it.
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That's fun times. I like it.
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We also do all these shows, so, you know, if you wanted to hear
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them live, you could do that, you know, whatever you want to
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do. Just saying, also on Legion of
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Super.com, if you want to listen to Gavin episodes, you can click
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on his name, it'll take you to his If you wanna listen to Adam
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episodes, you can click on his name.
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It'll take you to his episodes. You want to listen to Justin
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episodes. I don't care if you don't
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because they're all me. Yes, yes, I'm on all of them.
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You can't avoid me. Yeah.
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You know, if you want, if you want, you can listen to the
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episodes from there like that. That would be very cool or, of
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course, we're podcast so you can subscribe rate, comment on on on
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And it also gets you a inaudible.
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Thank you every month and occasional.
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Oh hi Justin, whatever. I want to kind of talk about
1:04:19
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More than words will ever be able to say.
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So, with that being said, Echo & the Bunnymen, I'm loving people
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