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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell Was Not Only Epstein's Partner She Was Groomer In Chief (4/24/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: Our story today. Our article from today is from the
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New York Times, and in this article it is about
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the grooming process and how that grooming process is such
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a huge component to what happens in these large trafficking rings. Now,
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without the grooming process, these young girls would be nowhere
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near as susceptible to these sort of operations being run
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by people like Jeffrey Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell. And that's
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why Gilain Maxwell's role and the roles of the other
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groomers are such a big part of what went on
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here and why they must also be held accountable. So
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let's jump into this article from the New York Times
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and see what they have to say. Headline charge that
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Maxwell groom girls for Epstein is central to the case.
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Prosecutors are relying on a theory that Glaine Maxwell slowly
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broke down the resistance of teenage girls to sexually abuse
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at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein, and that is certainly
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part of it, right with these these charges in particular
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that we see on the docket right now, that is
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most certainly a key component of what went on. But
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always a butt right, as we all know, if this
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case is being prosecuted in a correct manner, which it
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appears to be at this point, then there will be
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many more charges coming down the pipe, and the grooming
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portion of this, while a huge piece, will be just
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another portion, right because once those RICO charges come down,
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Dlaane Maxwell is going to be looking at multiple, multiple
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charges for her role. This article was authored by Nicole
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Hong and Benjamin Wiser. Annie Farmer was sixteen years old
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when she arrived at Jeffrey Epstein's ranch in New Mexico
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in nineteen ninety six to attend a program for high
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school students, only to learn that she was the sole participant.
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And I've been pretty clear about the disgusting situation that
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occurred in New Mexico with Annie and how the authorities
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they were warned and they did nothing about it. They
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were warned what was going on, They were told, Maria,
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let them know what occurred here, what occurred with her,
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and they ignored it. There she met mister Epstein's companion,
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Gielean Maxwell, who seemed friendly and asked about her classmates
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and her family. Miss Maxwell and mister Eppsie took her
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shopping and lavished her with gifts like beauty products and
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new Cowboy boots, according to a lawsuit filed by Miss
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Farmer last year, and that was all part of it, right.
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They would bring these girls out shopping. They would take
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them to these different locations and buy them different sorts
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of clothes, designer clothes, whatever the end type of clothes were,
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you know, different material gifts, material items, and a lot
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of these girls who were from broken homes, they didn't
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have much right so it was easy to gain their
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trust with material items, with showing them that, oh we
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care about you, look what we bought you. And in reality,
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it was all part of the setup of the grooming process.
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The seemingly innocuous behavior was in fact part of a
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process to groom Miss Farmer for sexual activity. The authorities
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now says Maxwell began pressuring Miss Farmer to give mister
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Epstein a foot massage, according to the lawsuit, and the
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encounters escalated until Miss Farmer says she eventually woke up
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one day to find mister Epstein entering her room, climbing
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into her bed and pressing his body against hers. Imagine
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being a little sixteen year old girl and this sick,
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disgusting ass no style, having goofy look in MF crawling
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into bed with you and pressing his body against yours.
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Talk about being traumatized. Now, with miss Maxwell facing allegations
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that she helped mister Epstein recruit and ultimately abuse girls
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as young as fourteen, the concept of grooming is at
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the heart of the criminal case against her. References to
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grooming appear nine times in the eighteen page indictment against
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Miss Maxwell. And remember, all we have to go on
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so far are these indictments that we see on paper,
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right These are what we know for sure she has
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staring at her These are what we know the authorities
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are charging her with right now. But we also know
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things are happening behind the scenes. We know that there's
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a grand jury that is still impaneled investigating this case.
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And if you think that there are no more indictments coming,
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if you think that this is just the end of it,
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then you have not been paying attention to the way
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things have been moving as of late. There are a
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lot of doom and gloom type of people around this case.
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And you know what, I can't really blame people for that,
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considering how poorly the prosecutors have done their job in
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the past. When this case has been the topic. But
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what we have seen since Gilaine Maxwell has been arrested
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signals that this operation has been burned by their handlers,
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and Maxwell, the Core four and Jean Luke Brunel have
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been left twisting in the wind. That is very apparent
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if you read between the lines here, at least in
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my opinion. Right, of course, I most certainly am not
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the be all and all authority of this case. I mean,
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we're sitting here and we're doing what we have always done.
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We're putting together the pieces and coming up with an
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educated hypothesis about what is going on. We don't know
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what we don't know, so what's going on behind the
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scenes we can only speculate about. But what I can
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tell you is from what we have seen thus far,
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this whole entire case is about to explode. Grooming has
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long been part of cases involving underage victims, but the
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concept has become increasingly important in the me Too era
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as prosecutors have become more willing to file sex crime
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charges in cases where people are coerced into sexual relationships
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without physical force. I think that prosecuting cases like this
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are very delicate for prosecutors, right, It's very usually we're
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talking about a lot of he said, she said here,
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not in this case. There is no gray area for
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one of these attorneys to latch onto and say, oh wait, look,
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hold on, there's none of that here. We have a
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bunch of circumstantial evidence. And when they're circumstantial evidence, that
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usually leads to a lot of evidence that can be
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used in court, and a lot of evidence that leads
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directly back to those who are being accused. And that's
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what we see here in this Jeffrey Epstein case. There
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are many, many people who were involved, who are in
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the inner rung of Jeffrey Epstein's criminal enterprise, who must
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face the music. The idea of grooming has arisen in
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the sex abuse convictions in recent years of high profile
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defendants like the former film producer Harvey Weinstein and the
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former gymnastics doctor Larry Nasser. I think Harvey Weinstein was
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more of just a straight up bully than somebody who
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was grooming. Right. He had the power, the keys to
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the kingdom. And a lot of those girls didn't even
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want to be with Harvey Weinstein in the least right.
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They were disgusted by the thought. But Harvey Weinstein was
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this oh so powerful Hollywood big shot, and if they
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didn't have relations with him, then they weren't going to
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get the job. I don't think he needed to groom
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them for that, right, He just basically thugged it and
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bullied them into it. But when you're talking about somebody
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like Larry Nasser, I think that's a little bit different.
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I mean, we could go on a whole entire episode
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about Larry Nasser, and maybe we should. Maybe we should
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do a standalone episode or a four part series about
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that sick bastard, because Larry Nasser is another sick, disgusting,
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gross individual who has a place waiting for him in
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the very bottom of the pits of hell. It's not
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like a legal term. You're not going to find it
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in the statute set. Anne Milgram, a former Justice Department
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sex trafficking prosecutor. Grooming is what predators do when they
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find a young person and try to break down the
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barriers that someone may have in their head to going
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along with the conduct. And let's be clearer, it's not
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just young people. Anyone can be groomed by these sort
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of people who can manipulate others, right, anyone who's vulnerable
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now of course, the most heinous act is when you
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abuse children. There is no argument about it. It is
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the most bottom of the barrel, disgusting, depraved act you
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can be involved in. It is so depraved, in fact,
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that when you involve yourself in such behavior and you
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end up in prison, inevitably you are surely about to
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learn the hard way how society, even the criminals amongst us,
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feel about your behavior. So you know, these sort of
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people that abuse children are bottom of the barrel, worst
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kind of people in the world. But that doesn't mean
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that other people can't be groomed. Right adults as well,
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people who are vulnerable mentally and in situations financially, can
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be groomed by people like this. In a new case
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last week, federal authorities cited grooming when they unseal charges
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against Robert A. Hadden, a former Manhattan gynecologist, related to
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the sexual abuse of six female patients, including one minor.
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A predator grooms their victims in order to earn their trust,
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said William F. Sweeney Junior, the head of the FBI's
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New York office, at a news conference on Wednesday. He
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abused that trust completely, and I am not too familiar
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with that situation, so I really have nothing to say
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about it. The psychological manipulation often begins with normal interactions,
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such as giving gifts or paying special attention to a child.
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Psychologists say, gradually the predator will expose the victim to
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sexual behaviors like light touching, in order to desensitize them
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to sex. The process is aimed at breaking down resistance,
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making it less likely victims will recognize the abuse or
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report it. And we've seen that in spades with Jeffrey
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Epstein and these survivors. Right, That's exactly what they did
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to break these girls down. We had the whole entire
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normalization process, the process of showering them with gifts and money,
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and then eventually it started with the soft light touching,
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the massaging, and before you know it, old sick ass,
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disgusting ass uncle Jeffy shows up with his disgusting body
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wrapped in a towel asking for the most disgusting sort
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of ask you could possibly imagine from a minor. If
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you can get the person to believe that they are
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responsible for their own behaviors, that they are complicit, then
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they don't really feel that they can complain, said Chitra Raghaven,
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a psychology professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice
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who has testified as an expert witness in federal trafficking cases.
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And that's what they were trying to do, the normalization
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of it. Right, Oh, this is how we all conduct
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ourselves here, This is how all of us high society
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types conduct ourselves. Do you want to be part of
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the aristocracy? Biff and Beferrella are having a golf game
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down the block. This is how these people conduct themselves. Right,
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They tried to normalize it, and all of their friends
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were down with it. Nobody ever said a word, so
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we can only go on by what we know. Oh,
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we didn't know anything. We didn't see anything. Yeah right,
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shut up, liar. That's how I feel about all these
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people at this point. They were naked, but I didn't
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know anything weird was going on. Jeffrey Epstein just had
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a house full of girls, young girls, all naked, but
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I had no idea anything was going on. Dude had
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no nieces, Dude had no daughters. Dude had no girls.
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He was in the care of only girls from disenfranchised
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homes and vulnerable backgrounds being abused in front of all
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of these scumbags and nobody said a word about it.
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How do you look yourselves in the mirror? Miss Maxwell,
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who was arrested in July, has pleaded not guilty to
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the six count indictment, which includes charges of conspiracy and
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of transporting miners to engage in criminal sexual activity. Lawyers
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from Miss Maxwell did not respond to a request for comment.
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She has always denied any wrong doing in the civil
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lawsuits that have been filed against her over the past decade,
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which accused her of enabling mister Epstein's abuse. A spokesman
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from Manhattan US Attorney's office declined to comment. And it's
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telling right you notice that they don't really have much
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to say here and no comments here, but they had
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plenty to say about Andrew right, So it makes me
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wonder what the strategy truly is. Miss Maxwell's arrest came
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a year after mister Epstein, sixty six, was charged in
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July twenty nineteen with sexually exploiting dozens of girls and
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women in Manhattan, Florida, and other locations. About a month later,
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he hanged himself in a jail cell while awaiting trial. Allegedly,
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prosecutors have said Miss Maxwell now fifty eight, recruited teenage
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girls for mister Epstein, knowing that he was a predator
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who would abuse them, often during naked massages. Y yeah,
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she also took part folks. All right, let's not sugarcoat it.
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What are you scared of? Delaine Maxwell is going to
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sue you for libel or defamation. That's only if that
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shit ain't true. Okay, she's a bipedal serpent and a scussball.
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She was involved to her neck with Jeffrey Epstein in
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a leadership role. That's right, I said it. Run home
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and tell that. Miss Maxwell first befriended the teenagers by
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asking about their personal lives and their families. The indictment
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charged she and mister Epstein would take them shopping to
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the movies. Miss Maxwell encouraged them to accept mister Epstein's
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offers to pay for their traveler education. And this was
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the pattern over and over again that Maxwell and Epstein
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stuck to. Why change up anything that worked, right? I mean,
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it's not like somebody rated on them in the nineties,
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ninety five, ninety six, not like Maria told this whole story.
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But nobody was listening right, way too busy dicking around
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in the FBI. Afterward, according to prosecutors, miss Maxwell would
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begin desensitizing the girls to sex by undressing or massaging
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mister Epstein in front of them. That alone, right there
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is enough to pay me out, pay these girls out
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in millions for just having to see this nasty ass
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dude take his shirt off. Somebody get the iron and
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un wrinkle old boy's body. This gross ass disgusting. Who
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I mean, are you kidding me? Right now? These poor girls.
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The indictment suggests that miss Maxwell's sexual behavior with mister
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Epstein in front of the miners, as well as her
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presence as an adult woman during mister Epstein's sexual interactions
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with them, was critical to the grooming process. Yes, it was.
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In fact, it was a centerpiece of it. That was
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a huge part of it. Oh look I'm doing it.
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It's okay. You can do it too, You trust me, right,
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I have an English accent. I went to Oxford. There's
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something about having a woman as an intermediary that might
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make a young girl more comfortable, said Miss Milgram, the
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former sex trafficking prosecutor, adding maybe it made some of
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the younger women let down their guard. Not just the
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younger women, the older women as well. We've heard from them.
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They have said that. The indictment described three unnamed miners
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who the government said were victims of Miss Maxwell. She
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is accused of directly participating in the sexual abuse of
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two of them between nineteen ninety four and nineteen ninety seven.
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One of the unnamed teenagers is Miss Farmer. According to
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her lawyers, Miss Farmer spoke at Miss Maxwell's best hearing
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in July using her real name. That's right, she sure did.
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Because Annie has big, big, big chaones. All right, She's
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not gonna be quiet. She's not going to back down
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from Gilan Maxwell. Now that Gilean Maxwell's on the ropes,
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now that this enterprise has been shattered for all intents
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and purposes, now is the time for offense. Now is
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the time to stand up and call these people out.
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And that's exactly what Annie did in July. The indictment
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charge that Miss Maxwell gave Miss Farmer an unsolicited massage
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while Miss Farmer was topless, and also involved another unidentified
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victim in groups sexualized massages of Epstein. She is a
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sexual predator who groomed and abused me and countless other
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children and young women. Miss Armers said at Miss Maxwell's
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bail hearing, where a judge ruled that Miss Maxwell beheld
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in jail while awaiting trial. Prosecutors also accused Miss Maxwell
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of encouraging a third girl to provide massages to mister
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Epstein in London from nineteen ninety four to nineteen ninety five.
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Miss Maxwell knew the massages would turn sexual, the indictment charged.
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Of course she did, because she is the one who
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helped put the plans in motion. The whole idea massage
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quote unquote in Jeffrey Epstein's world did not mean a massage.
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That's why when dirty Dirsh comes out with his nonsense,
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I roll my eyes and head to the studio to
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eviscerate him. Nobody believes you're bullshit. Not the Penguins and
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not the Polar Bears. Nobody. A major hurdle for prosecutors
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is the fact that the sexual abuse allegations against Miss
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Maxwell are from more than two decades. I'll go and
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remember that's these charges, right, and for sure it's an
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uphill battle to climb for the prosecutors. But like I said,
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these are hold them charges. There are more coming down
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the pipe. If this is being prosecuted correctly, without any
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interference from up high like idiots like Darth Barr. Then
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this is going to go down and all of these
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people who were involved are gonna have a lot more
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to worry about than these initial charges. Federal laws allow
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prosecutors to charge sex abuse of minors at any point
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in the victim's lifetime. Still, the timeline creates an opening
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for miss Maxwell's lawyers to challenge the memories of the
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women who testify at trial. Oh she's gonna try, there's
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no doubt, but it's not going to work. All you
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have to do is listen to the accounts of these gals,
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and you know that they know exactly where they were
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when it happened and who they were with. Prosecutors have
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said they will use diary entries, flight records, and business
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records to corroborate their testimony. Legal experts said that evidence
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of grooming is sometimes used by prosecutors to rebut a
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defendant who argues that sexual activity was voluntary, well, it's
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kind of hard to argue with that when you have
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a fourteen and fifteen year old kids. Okay again, we're
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not talking about a seventeen year old girl and a
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nineteen year old dude or a sixteen year old girl.
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Even in a nineteen year old dude, we're talking about
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a powerful world playboy, billionaire, you know, sick bastard, who
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was wielding incredible power over these people. In miss Maxwell's case,
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it might also be used to attempt to show she
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intended to commit a crime, that is, that she knew
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the miners would be sexually abused. She is charged in
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one count, for instance, under a statute that can make
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it a crime to entice a minor to travel across
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state lines to engage in the illegal sexual activity. That
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is also a RICO offense. By the way, the grooming
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is very important to prove intent, to prove the specific
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intent that she had them travel for the purpose of sex,
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said Tarren Merkle, a former federal prosecutor in Brooklyn who
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supervised human trafficking cases before suicide. Mister Epstein's lawyers signaled
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they might argue at his trial that mister Epstein had
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merely engaged in prostitution. Of course they would. They're going
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to use the same exact defense that their boy, the
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mister Dallan Dershowitz, set out for them. There was no coercion.
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One of the lawyers, Reed Winingarten, said in a hearing
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last year, there were no threats, There was no violence.
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What an absolute load of bullshit. No threats. Huh Tell
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that to the Swedish girl. Tell that the same Yarah
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Ransom who wanted to swim home from the island. You
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epic dickhead. The judge pointed out that if the women
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involved were under eighteen, they could not legally consent to
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sex under federal law, and asked if what mister Epstein
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had done was statutory rape. Mister Weingarten responded that it
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was not rape because there is no penetration. Hey, look,
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it depends on what your uh, your definition of his
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is over here. These people are all sick. I honestly
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have had a belly full of all of them, and
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they can take their loopholes and their technicalities and shove
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them deep. The back and forth in the Epstein case
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might serve as a preview of how miss Maxwell's lawyers
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may try to undermine the government's accusations against her. In
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any case, Miss Maxwell's lawyers are likely to shift blame
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to mister Epstein if her case goes to trial, Legal
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experts said one hundred percent. She is definitely going to
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set herself up as the victim. We know that it's
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not going to work. Though nobody's buying that shit. Nobody's
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buying it. She will, in many ways, i'm sure, try
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to put all of their truly egregious conduct on Epstein
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and he won't be there to offer any sort of
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counter explanation, said Barrett Berger, a former federal prosecutor who
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runs a center on public integrity at Columbia Law School.
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Here's the rub the core four who are going to
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be fighting for their lives as well well, they still
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know they have the goods, and what if they roll
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on Gilean Maxwell. If you don't think that's what's going
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to happen, you're not paying attention. That's how this shit goes.
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You think Sarah Kellen Vickers or Leslie Groth are going
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to be able to withstand rico charges and hang out
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in the room with a prosecutor and an interrogator and
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stay stonefaced. Yeah, right, they're going to be offering up
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everything like Takashi six'. Nine but such an approach could
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work to the government's. Advantage Miss berger, noted what's hanging
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over the, jury she, said is one person already escaped
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justice in this, case AND i think there will be
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a real feeling and the real need For maxwell not
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To and she's dead on right, There and that's What
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i've been talking about in this. Case epstein dying effectively
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burned all their ties to the intelligence aspect of this.
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Case they've wiped all of their fingerprints off of. This
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so now it's gonna Be, maxwell The core, four And
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John Luke brunel who are left holding the bag for
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the trafficking portion of. This if any of these other
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people are going to get, indicted it's going to have
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to be for the financial, crimes, unless of, course the
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people that are directly implicated By virginia get, indicted which,
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hey that is also a very possible if the evidence
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provided to the prosecution is enough for them to go.
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ON i would not doubt to see those people indicted as.
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Well but one thing that you can count on from
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Where i'm sitting, anyway in my, opinion The core four
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And Gilaine maxwell are going to be involved in eating
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each other. Alive if you'd like to contact, me you
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can do that At bobbycopucci at ProtonMail dot com That's
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Bo bby c ap U cci at ProtonMail dot. Com
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you can also find me On twitter At Bobby underscore
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c ap U. Cci what's, up, everyone and welcome to
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another episode of The Epstein. Chronicles you, KNOW i was
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debating whether or NOT i should even bother Answering Representative
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Anna Paulina luna and her ridiculous comments About Jeffrey epstein.
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Survivors but considering that the respectable congresswoman opened the, door,
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well your boy is gonna walk right through. It so
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first things, first let's start with the actual comment that
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was made By Representative. Luna it has become very apparent
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That Jeffrey epstein was grooming some of his victims to become. Traffickers,
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okay that's, okay that's, right that's. True he certainly. Was
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some of the most horrifying emails being widely circulated are
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not from, men but from women who claimed claimed to be,
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victims hence some of the. Redactions once you turn, eighteen
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if you're still engaged in trafficking, children that's a, choice
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and at that point you're no longer a, victim you're
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a co. Conspirator even if somebody was purchased and there
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were groomed from the time they were. Fourteen are they
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still a co, Conspirator, congresswoman or is it that you
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just don't know the story and you'll say anything to
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try and protect you're dear, Leader because that's what this
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all comes down. To to be, clear not all victims
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are guilty of. This, however it's a fact that some
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of them. Are, yes you heard that. Right some of
28:09
the women claiming to be victims help traffic. Children, clearly
28:13
this is just the tip of the. Iceberg but it's
28:16
important to recognize the. Facts, well the fact is most
28:19
of these girls that were bringing other girls were under
28:23
eighteen when that was, occurring and they were, coerced, manipulated
28:27
and groomed to accept the process as. Normal and the
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most insidious part about all of this is she just
28:34
makes this comment with no context and no. Explanation so
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why DON'T i just fill in the? Blanks Anna Paulina
28:42
luna's framing is a textbook example of how powerful people
28:46
try to sanitize a. Scandal they move the spotlight off
28:49
the adults with, money, leverage and intent and shove it
28:53
onto children who were. Hunted when you're talking about girls
28:57
who were, fourteen fifteen and. Sixteen you're talking about miners
29:01
who legally can't consent to what was being done to.
29:04
Them you're talking about a system built on, grooming, normalization and,
29:09
control not choices made on equal. Footing epstein And maxwell
29:14
didn't stumble into a messy situation where everyone shares blame
29:18
in some neat influencer ready moral. Triangle they engineered a
29:23
conveyor belt that turned vulnerability into compliance and compliance into.
29:28
Silence the entire operation depended on confusing, boundaries collapsing shame
29:33
onto the, victim and making the abnormal feel. Routine that's
29:38
the business. Model take a, child make the child feel,
29:41
complicit and then dare to. Speak so when a lawmaker's
29:44
signals that the abused are also, culpable it doesn't just
29:48
miss the, point it re enacts the mechanism of the
29:51
crime and yo real. Talk the moral rot of this
29:56
narrative is that it pretends the predator's favorite trick is a.
30:00
Revelation grooming is not some side detail you tack on
30:04
if you feel like being. Compassionate grooming is the core
30:07
technology of. Exploitation how adults manufacture compliance without leaving the
30:13
bruises that make. Headlines it's how a child's trained to
30:17
doubt her own, instincts distrust her own, discomfort and treat
30:21
predatory rules as normal. Life it's how shame gets weaponized
30:25
so the victim polices herself more efficiently than any guard.
30:29
Could it's how the adult criminal enterprise offloads risk onto
30:34
the smallest shoulders in the. Room and it's how powerful
30:38
abusers keep their hands clean while still getting what they. Want,
30:43
now a serious person starts from that reality and works.
30:46
Outward an unseerious person starts from a viral hot take
30:50
and works backward into a conclusion that flatters. Power let's
30:55
get something straight that should not require a. Debate in
30:58
a functioning, society children who are sexually exploited are, victims full.
31:03
Stop they're not co conspirators because a predator manipulated. Them
31:07
they're not traffickers because an adult designed the system that
31:11
use them as. Bait they're not morally comparable to the
31:14
adults who purchased, access funded the, machine provided, cover or
31:18
turned the blind. Eye and, yo that's not even. Nuance
31:23
it's basic ethics and basic. Law when you blur that,
31:26
line you aren't being. Tough you're being. Reckless you're doing
31:31
exactly What epstein's circle depended, on confusing the public enough
31:35
that the adults fade into the. Wallpaper and if the
31:38
public is, confused the powerful breathe. Easier. Now the weapon
31:43
here is, language specifically the, lazy punitive language that sounds
31:47
righteous while doing the opposite of. Justice when someone, says in,
31:52
essence if you were involved at, all you're not a.
31:54
Victim they're laundering coercion out of the, story stripping time
32:00
out of the, story erasing that the grooming began when
32:04
these girls were, minors before they had the legal or
32:07
psychological capacity to navigate what was. Happening they're stripping power
32:12
out of the, story erasing That epstein And maxwell control the,
32:15
money the, transportation the social, environment the, consequences and the
32:19
threat of. Exposure they're stripping fear out of the, story
32:24
erasing that predators cultivate dependency and dread as a means of.
32:28
Enforcement they're stripping trauma out of the, story erasing how
32:33
people behave when trapped inside a manipulated. Reality and then
32:38
they present what's left as. Accountability that's not, accountability it's.
32:42
Propaganda the hard truth is that exploitation networks often involve
32:47
victims being used to recruit or bring in, others and
32:51
predators do that on purpose because it muddies the. Waters
32:54
epstein And maxwell didn't do that. Accidentally if you can
32:59
get a victim to feel like she, participated you can
33:02
keep her quiet with a single. Sentence who's going to
33:05
believe you when you did it? Too that's not a side, effect,
33:08
folks it's a. Feature it's how criminal enterprises build. Insulation
33:13
it's also how abusers convert trauma into complicity without ever
33:18
giving up. CONTROL a grown adult architecting that system is the.
33:22
PERPETRATOR a minor being psychologically corralled inside of it is the. Target,
33:28
now If luna wants to talk about, accountability then she
33:31
should start where the accountability is the. Thickest the adult,
33:35
organizers the adult, facilitators and the adult, purchasers the adult,
33:39
protectors the adult institutions that looked. Away that's Where menzaria.
33:44
Lives that's where power. Is that's where fear is imposed
33:49
instead of. Endured that's where money. Moves that's where the
33:52
cover stories are. Written that's where intimidation becomes. Policy the
33:57
children are not where you. Begin if you're our, goal
34:00
is the truth there where you begin if your goal is.
34:03
Deflection and, yes there are edge cases in any large criminal,
34:08
ecosystem including adults who knowingly and willfully exploit. Others those
34:13
cases exist in the, world and they can be handled
34:16
case by case with, evidence due, process and the. Spine
34:20
but that's not what this kind of social media framing.
34:23
Does this framing doesn't separate coerse victims from opportunistic adult
34:28
predators with. Privilege it doesn't distinguish miners from adults with
34:32
agency and. Resources it doesn't build careful investigative lanes that
34:38
protect witnesses while pursuing the. Ringleaders it just throws a
34:43
rhetorical grenade into the survivor community and waits for the
34:46
outrage cycle to do the. Rest Now luna might call that,
34:52
JUSTICE i call it. Content there is also a profound
34:57
difference between investigating facts and branding's revis as criminals in
35:01
public investigations are about, evidence, context and legal. Standards public
35:08
branding is about, spectacle intimidation and narrative. Control the momental
35:14
lawmaker casually, floats maybe the victims are. Traffickers you create
35:18
a chilling effect that helps only one, side the side
35:21
that never wanted witnesses talking in the first. Place survivors
35:26
watch that and, think IF i, speak will they put
35:29
me on? Trial? Next potential witnesses watch that and, think
35:33
why WOULD i ever? Cooperate that is how you strangle
35:36
cases before they. Start it's how you preserve the silence
35:40
that abusers rely, on and it's how to protect the
35:43
powerful while pretending you're fighting for the. Children and this
35:48
is why the influencer lawmaker critique lands so hard, here
35:52
because the incentives are. Obvious social media rewards, outrage moral,
35:56
posturing and simplified. Villains it punishes no wants, trauma, literacy
36:01
and careful. Language it rewards attacking a target that can't
36:06
punch back without being accused of making. Excuses it rewards
36:11
turning human suffering into a culture war. Wedge it rewards
36:16
posting something that sounds tough and letting the algorithm call it.
36:20
Leadership but leadership isn't a. Post leadership is understanding what
36:25
you're talking about before you talk about, it and measuring
36:29
the harm your words can. Cause the cruelty of this
36:32
narrative is not, theoretical and it's not confined to this one.
36:35
Scandal victim blaming is a universal solvent that dissolves accountability
36:40
wherever it's. Applied it's how institutions avoid liability as she
36:44
should have known. Better it's how predators avoid consequences yo
36:48
she wanted. It it's how audiences are trained to stop
36:52
empathizing she's not. Innocent it's how miners get treated like
36:57
adults when it's convenient for the adults in. Charge it's
37:01
how the public gets distracted by morality plays instead of criminal.
37:05
Systems it's how a child's trauma becomes a talking point
37:09
instead of a crime. Scene and once you normalize, that
37:13
you don't just Harm epstein's, survivors you lay tracks for
37:16
the next set of survivors to be run over. Too
37:19
and as far As i'm, concerned there's a special ugliness
37:22
in applying adult criminal labels to children who are groomed
37:25
into distorted. Reality grooming is not, persuasion it's. Conditioning it's not,
37:30
recruitment it's. Entrapment it's not, participation it's revival under. Manipulation
37:37
children learn what adults teach, them especially when those adults control, rewards,
37:42
punishments and the meaning of Normal epstein And maxwell created
37:46
a micro society with its own, rules its own, scripts
37:50
its own, rituals and its own. Punishments they made the
37:53
girls dependent on, approval, money, access and, fear and they
37:58
use that dependency to keep the pipeline. Moving calling the
38:02
groom child culpable without emphasizing that system is like blaming
38:06
a hostage for following orders while the gun is pressed
38:10
to their. Ribs and this is where people love to
38:13
play dumb about, time because time is inconvenient to the blame.
38:16
SHIFT a girl groomed at fourteen doesn't wake up at
38:20
eighteen with a clean brain and a brand new understanding
38:23
of what happened to. Her trauma doesn't flip off like
38:26
a light. Switch conditioning doesn't vanish because the calendar. Changed
38:30
predators design the grooming to outlast the childhood, itself precisely
38:35
so the victim remains, confused, compliant or silent. Later if
38:40
your public posture ignores, that you are either uninformed or
38:44
uninterested in the. Truth either, way you're not helping. Victims
38:48
you're helping the machinery that victimize. Them there is also
38:51
another sleid of hand, here pretending that accountability for everyone
38:55
is the same thing as accountability in the correct. Order
39:00
accountability starts at the, top because that's where, organization intent
39:04
and power. Converge you dismantle the trafficking enterprise by targeting the,
39:09
organizers the, financiers the, facilitators and the protected class that
39:14
makes the enterprise. Profitable you don't dismantle it publicly by
39:17
smearing the people that preyed, on especially when many of
39:21
them were. Children it's also a convenient way to avoid
39:25
naming the adult men who bought access and the adult
39:28
institutions that kept the doors. Open if you want to
39:32
know who benefits from this rhetorical, move look at who
39:35
stops being discussed the moment it. LANDS a competent lawmaker
39:40
would know how to talk about this without throwing survivors
39:43
into the. Fire you, say there may be individuals who
39:46
transition from victimization into active criminal facilitation as, adults and
39:52
those allegations require, careful fact based investigation with attention to, coercion,
39:57
duress grooming, history and victimization. Timelines you say miners are
40:03
victims and their recruitment behavior is often a sign of,
40:07
exploitation not. Agency you say witnesses must be protected so
40:11
the full network can be. Exposed you say prosecutions should
40:15
prioritize the architects and the high value. Perpetrators you, say
40:19
the goal is dismantling the, enterprise not farming. Outrage that's
40:24
how an adult speaks about a child exploitation. Case What
40:28
luna's framing does is the, opposite and the timing and
40:32
posture matter because this didn't occur in a. Vacuum The
40:35
epstein story is a battlefield of, misdirection selective, outrage and partisan.
40:41
Opportunism people constantly try to turn it into a team
40:45
sport so the public never forces a unified demand for.
40:48
Accountability every time the public starts asking uncomfortable questions about who,
40:54
enabled who, funded who, protected who buried leads someone tries
40:58
to reroute the anger into a safer. Channel sparing survivors
41:03
is one of the safest channels there is because it
41:05
fractures the coalition and scarish people out of the. Room
41:09
it also lets the powerful, say see it's, complicated while
41:13
doing nothing about the. Powerful and if you think that's an,
41:18
accident you're. Wrong that was the whole. Point if you
41:22
actually care about trafficking, victims you don't casually threaten them
41:26
with social branding as. Criminals you protect, Them you build.
41:29
Trust you make it easier for them to cooperate with.
41:32
Investigators you ensure that they're not punished for the survival
41:36
behavior predators forced on. Them you acknowledge that grooming frequently
41:40
includes coarse, recruitment and you treat that as evidence of.
41:44
Exploitation you direct your fire at the adults who design the,
41:49
machine not the children it chewed. Up you don't use
41:53
the language of, predators you're not a, victim and pretend
41:56
it's compassion for. Justice that line is an a user's,
42:00
line even when a politician repeats it with a. Microphone
42:05
and that's why it's fair to Call luna's posture, dangerous
42:08
not merely. Controversial it encourages the public to view exploited
42:12
miners through a prosecutorial lens rather than a protective. One
42:17
it encourages would be witnesses to shut. Up it feeds
42:20
a culture that already loves to scrutinize the victim's behavior
42:24
more than the perpetrator's. Intent it gives cover to the
42:28
adults who want to disappear behind. Complexity it normalizes the
42:32
idea that children in abusive systems are responsible for the
42:36
systems that were trapped. In and it teaches future predators
42:41
that if they can groom a child into any form of,
42:43
participation the public might help finish the job by blaming.
42:47
Her and, that my, friends is how you build. Impunity
42:51
i'm not fucking interested in the performance of toughness that punches.
42:55
Down i'm interested in the reality of toughness that punches
42:59
up at Per epstein's world was built by adults with, money,
43:04
access and. Protection maxwell's role was adult knowing deliberate. Facilitation
43:10
the men who abused miners were, adults and they knew
43:13
exactly what they were. Doing the institutions that failed to
43:16
stop it were staffed by adults who had duties but shose.
43:20
Convenience the people who looked away were adults who decided
43:25
a child's safety was less important than social. Comfort that's
43:29
where the moral and legal way. Belongs dragging the groom
43:33
miners into the dock of public opinion is not hard.
43:36
Truth that shit's cowardice with a. Filter and If luna
43:41
insists she's just following the, files then she should do
43:44
what grown lawmakers, do show the, work speak, carefully and
43:47
avoid reckless generalizations that spray shrapnel into survivor. Communities if
43:54
she has evidence of specific adult perpetrators beyond the known,
43:58
organizers then pursue them with proper investigative process rather than
44:03
lob insinuations that The internet will inevitably convert into survive her.
44:08
Hunting if she wants to talk about how predators use,
44:12
recruitment then talk about it as a grooming, mechanism not
44:15
as acute way to rebrand victims as. Criminals if she
44:20
wants to claim moral, seriousness then she needs to display
44:23
moral discipline right. Now what's on display is narrative, warfare not,
44:28
governance and that harm is in, collateral it's baked. In
44:33
blaming abused miners for trafficking in the context of grooming
44:37
is not, accountability it's narrative. Laundering it's a way to
44:41
dilute the central truth That epstein And maxwell targeted, children manipulated,
44:46
children and profited from. Children it's a way to drag
44:51
the public into arguing about the behavior of traumatized teenagers
44:55
instead of demanding consequences for adult predators and their. Protectors
45:00
it's a way to turn the story into An internet
45:02
morality fight instead of a systemic criminal. Scandal and it's
45:07
a way to make revivors feel unsafe, speaking which is
45:10
exactly how abusers keep winning long after the crimes are.
45:14
Committed If luna wants to be taken seriously on this,
45:18
topic she can start by stopping the one move that's
45:22
always serves the, abusers putting the children on trial so
45:26
the adults can walk. Away all of the information that
45:31
goes with this episode can be found in the description.
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