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Beyond the Board: Olympic Gold Medalist Caroline Marks On The Evolution Of Women's Surfing, Befriending Fear & The Power Of Taking A Break · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: You know, we're always growing and learning as humans, like
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  Speaker 1: no matter what you know, and that's the beauty of life.
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  Speaker 1: You just keep evolving and growing and you just got
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  Speaker 1: to ride the roller coaster.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on everyone, Emily Abadi Here, you are listening
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  Speaker 2: to another episode of Hurdle, a podcast featuring the mindset, secrets,
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  Speaker 2: and true stories of the most inspiring women in sports
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  Speaker 2: and wellness, empowering you to live a healthier, happier, more
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  Speaker 2: motivated life and of course, conquer your own hurdles. Today's
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  Speaker 2: guest is a powerhouse in the water and a pioneer
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  Speaker 2: on the world stage. Joining me is Olympic gold medalist
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  Speaker 2: and world champion surfer Caroline Marx, fresh off of the
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  Speaker 2: premiere of her new film Nowadays the Red Bull Athlete,
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  Speaker 2: joins us to discuss the incredible of a life of
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  Speaker 2: female surfing and what it's like to travel the world
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  Speaker 2: competing against and filming with her closest friends and biggest rivals.
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  Speaker 3: We dive deep into.
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  Speaker 2: The savage mode mindset required to win, the courage it
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  Speaker 2: took for her to step away from the tour at
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  Speaker 2: age nineteen to prioritize her mental health and how she
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  Speaker 2: learned to embrace the discomfort of being out of her
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  Speaker 2: comfort zone to eventually stand on top of the podium
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  Speaker 2: in Paris.
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  Speaker 4: You don't need to be.
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  Speaker 2: A surfer to truly love this episode. Caroline's journey of
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  Speaker 2: self belief and tenacity is sure to inspire you to
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  Speaker 2: find your own flow state. Make sure you're following along
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  Speaker 4: Today.
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  Speaker 2: I am sitting down with Caroline Marx. She is an
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  Speaker 2: Olympic gold medalist from Paris. How are we doing today, Caroline,
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Hurdle.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having me. We're doing great. How
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  Speaker 3: are you doing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm feeling vibes are high.
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  Speaker 3: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: You're fresh back in California after a really big premiere
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  Speaker 2: moment in New York for nowadays.
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  Speaker 4: Talk to me about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was super cool.
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  Speaker 1: It's my first time doing a big film like production
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  Speaker 1: like this, so it's been really fun to premiere it.
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  Speaker 3: That was our first miere.
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  Speaker 1: It was also our first time seeing the film ever,
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  Speaker 1: and it was on the big screen, so it was
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  Speaker 1: just really cool to see all the girls reaction and
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  Speaker 1: my parents were able to come out, and it was
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  Speaker 1: just really fun. We got to walk the red carpet
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  Speaker 1: and wear a cute outfit and get glammed up, and
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  Speaker 1: I love stuff like that. So it was the feedback
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  Speaker 1: we've gotten from that was it's obviously like nerve wracking,
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  Speaker 1: you know, first time anyone's seeing it, so like it
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  Speaker 1: was a little nerve wracking. I had no doubt anyone
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  Speaker 1: would love it, but you know, it's just nice when
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  Speaker 1: you get like that reaction to everyone, like, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: is so good.
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  Speaker 3: So it was cool.
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  Speaker 2: A different kind of nerve wracking than being out in
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  Speaker 2: the water with your board, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But like similar feeling, you know, like your heart starts racing.
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  Speaker 1: Like I actually got nervous right before it started to play.
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  Speaker 1: I was kind of like I had to go on
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  Speaker 1: stage and kind of introduce it, and then I was
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, well, I'm kind of nervous, but like
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  Speaker 1: once it went and everyone was just like excited about it.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is so cool in New
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  Speaker 1: York City, Like I feel like LA is more of
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  Speaker 1: a crowd that knows about surfing, so like New York,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this is fun. Like I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what to expect, but we're gonna see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: We had Ashland Harris like do our panel after like
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  Speaker 1: a Q and A, which is amazing, and she's she's
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  Speaker 1: so incredible and has been so supportive on this project,
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  Speaker 1: which has been really cool. So yeah, we had a
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  Speaker 1: great time. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 4: It was awesome. It was awesome New York City.
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  Speaker 2: I love that idea of introducing surfing a bit more
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  Speaker 2: to an environment that might not know so much about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And that's like part of our goal in
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  Speaker 1: this film is kind of like, you know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: like surf world is you know, kind of small, and
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  Speaker 1: people that love surfing love surfing, but I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it deserves an audience that's so much bigger than that.
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  Speaker 1: And the Olympics has been a really big part of
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  Speaker 1: that kind of making us, you know, more global and
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  Speaker 1: you know, not everyone might know about surfing, but everyone
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  Speaker 1: knows about the Olympics, and with this film, I really
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  Speaker 1: hope we reach that audience. And that's a big goal,
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  Speaker 1: is like, you know, I hope not only people that
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  Speaker 1: love surfing love it, but just like people that have
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  Speaker 1: never seen it, they're like, that looks cool and we
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  Speaker 1: want to be like those girls, And that's a big goal.
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  Speaker 3: So I hope it reaches that, so we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate also the nod to the fact that you
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  Speaker 2: get to do this with your friends, something that's a
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  Speaker 2: huge part of surfing culture. You get to travel the
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  Speaker 2: world with your friends who also at times happen to
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  Speaker 2: be your competitors. Talk to me a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: how that camaraderie, what it means to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're each other's biggest rivals. It's it's really funny
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  Speaker 1: like doing a film with your biggest rivals. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's no time like the present, and I just feel
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  Speaker 1: like it. There hasn't been a surf film done since
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and eleve and I feel like it was
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  Speaker 1: so important to shine a light on how first off,
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  Speaker 1: you know, female sports right now is on fire, but
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  Speaker 1: also women's surfing is on fire, and it was just
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  Speaker 1: like the cast we got together for this film is
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  Speaker 1: so incredible and I can't believe we got everyone together,
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  Speaker 1: Like it seems so simple, like, oh yeah, just get
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  Speaker 1: all your surf like the surfer girls together and go
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  Speaker 1: on surf trips you guys did all the time, but
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  Speaker 1: it's actually like so hard to get us all on
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  Speaker 1: the same trip. We all are from different countries, we
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  Speaker 1: all have crazy schedules, and we are also each other's
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  Speaker 1: biggest rivals. So maybe not some of them even wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do that, you know what I mean, But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's it's been really cool and as we've been
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  Speaker 1: doing this film, like I won the world title in
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  Speaker 1: the gold medal, then Kayln Simmers won the world title,
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  Speaker 1: and then Molly Pickham won world title. So it's just
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  Speaker 1: like the film is called nowadays, like the time is
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  Speaker 1: happening now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I guess that just highlights that, like the results.
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  Speaker 1: We've gotten, and that's kind of like the story the
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  Speaker 1: film tells, which is really cool.
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  Speaker 2: Were the vibes changing as the season went on for
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  Speaker 2: all of you, because obviously at different points each of
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  Speaker 2: you were thriving or maybe not performing how you wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's like being kind of more
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  Speaker 1: experienced on tour now. I think it's like we all know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you can start the season really hot and then
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  Speaker 1: towards the backcuft you can kind of finish not so hot,
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  Speaker 1: or vice versa. You know, it's just like every season
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  Speaker 1: so different, and surfing there's a lot of things that
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  Speaker 1: are very out of your control and you just have
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  Speaker 1: to be.
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  Speaker 3: Really good at going with the flow.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like it's you know, obviously, when
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  Speaker 1: you're not doing as well, it's hard to have, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a good mindset. But I think the real
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  Speaker 1: champions that can just keep an even killed mindset all
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  Speaker 1: year are the ones that kind of finish on top.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like all the girls in the film
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  Speaker 1: are pretty good at that because we've all we've.
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  Speaker 3: All been doing pretty good the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: So it's been good.
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  Speaker 2: You said the magic M word, which is mindset, something
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  Speaker 2: that you yourself have had to work through in various capacities,
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  Speaker 2: as with any athlete throughout your career. Before we talk
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  Speaker 2: about how your mindset has evolved over time, let's dial
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  Speaker 2: it back and talk a little bit about your inspiration
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  Speaker 2: to get into surfing In the first place. I know,
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  Speaker 2: coming from a family with two brothers, right, four brothers,
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  Speaker 2: four brothers, Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Two of them surfing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, two surf, two older brothers, like my two oldest
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  Speaker 1: brothers surf. That's like why I got into surfing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and but yeah, I used to ride horses like I
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  Speaker 1: used to want to be a veterinarian, like way different path.
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  Speaker 1: And my two older brothers just really inspired me, mainly
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  Speaker 1: my oldest brother. He competed a lot, and I just
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  Speaker 1: really wanted them to think I was cool, and they
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  Speaker 1: thought surfing was cool. So I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta do what they think was cool. And that's
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  Speaker 1: really when I started surfing. And I think they saw
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  Speaker 1: my potential more than I saw my potential. They were
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  Speaker 1: pushed me really hard, and then as I got all
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this might work out for me,
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  Speaker 1: Like this seems like a pretty good it's working out
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  Speaker 1: pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad I took that step because surfing's been the
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  Speaker 1: greatest thing ever.
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  Speaker 2: So it's really special to hear that they saw so
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  Speaker 2: much greatness in you. Why do you think that that
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  Speaker 2: was Why do you think that they maybe were more
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  Speaker 2: cognizant of what you had to offer when it came
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  Speaker 2: to this sport specifically.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think they're just older and they like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're around longer. And my oldest brother, Luke, he also
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  Speaker 1: is like, you know, he's already had like years of competing,
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  Speaker 1: and I've always looked up to him. So I think
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  Speaker 1: him just seeing other girls and then like watched me
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  Speaker 1: surf and he was like, oh, like she's got you know.
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  Speaker 3: She's pretty good. So I think that.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes you know, other people know you better than
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  Speaker 1: you know yourself. And I'm really close to my family,
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  Speaker 1: so I feel like when things get when things get hard,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I always lean on them for like
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  Speaker 1: advice and stuff like that. But I think when I
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  Speaker 1: was just younger, they just kind of more experienced and
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  Speaker 1: we're like, you should keep doing this. You might might
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  Speaker 1: work out for you. And I'm glad they they pushed
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  Speaker 1: me in that direction for sure.
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  Speaker 2: So successful from an early age, so much so that
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  Speaker 2: your family supported you in moving to California. Talk to
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  Speaker 2: me about that transition for you, and would you say
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  Speaker 2: that that's when it got really real for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like my family made a massive sacrifice to
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  Speaker 1: move to California for surfing. And I think when you're younger,
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  Speaker 1: you don't really realize. You just think like, yeah, my family,
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  Speaker 1: we're moving across the country from Florida. But now that
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little bit older and just like wow, like
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  Speaker 1: that's amazing, like that they made that sacrifice, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: super thankful for them. Like if it wasn't for my
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  Speaker 1: family and my brothers, like I don't think i'd be
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  Speaker 1: in the position I am today, So really grateful for that.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, for sure, when I moved to California and
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  Speaker 1: started surfing more and surfing good waves and just around
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  Speaker 1: really there's a lot of professional surfers that live in
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  Speaker 1: sychomenty like the town that I live in, and it
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  Speaker 1: just pushes your surfing. And there's world class waves there too,
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  Speaker 1: which helps a lot. So yeah, when I moved to California,
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  Speaker 1: I was definitely like, oh, this is like this is real,
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm really going for it.
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  Speaker 3: So pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: And I love California, love Florida and love California, so
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  Speaker 1: it's a pretty easy move.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of world class surfers. So does that come
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  Speaker 2: hand in hand with a certain amount of intimidation.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think when you're younger for sure, like
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  Speaker 1: doing anything that you're new to and you're young, Like
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  Speaker 1: looking at you seeing your peers in the water, you're
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, whoa, it's nerve racking. But now they're
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  Speaker 1: like my friends. It's like a funny switch up, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like you have posters on your wall of people and
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  Speaker 1: then like a few years later you're like in a
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  Speaker 1: heat with them and you're like trying to beat them.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a crazy like mindset shift, you know. But
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  Speaker 1: I feel like for me, that wasn't I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like I think when I'm in the water, I just
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  Speaker 1: like turn into a different person in a sense where
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  Speaker 1: it was wasn't really hard for me to shut that off,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and be like and then on the land,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you're my best friend again, which is
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  Speaker 1: pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: So let's unpack that a little bit. I turn into
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  Speaker 2: a different person. Elaborate on that for me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just think different person might sound a
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  Speaker 1: really extreme. I just think more like, yeah, you just
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  Speaker 1: go into savage mode, like I'm trying to win. And
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  Speaker 1: I think we all have a really mutual respect for
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  Speaker 1: each other knowing that, and it's almost a compliment. I
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  Speaker 1: think when someone tries really hard against you and you know,
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  Speaker 1: tries to surf their best, and that are aggresive because
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  Speaker 1: it's almost a compliment in saying like how good you are,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, like yeah, when you're in the water. Its
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  Speaker 1: surfing's an individual sport. It's pretty cutthroat and you just
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  Speaker 1: gotta you're there to win. I think everyone knows that.
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  Speaker 1: But then of course, like on land, you're like cool,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're friends again, It's all good, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're not competing on land, so whatever. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: really important to like be able to balance that. And
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  Speaker 1: it's also really hard, you know, obviously you're competing against
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  Speaker 1: these people all year. But I think for me it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a healthy balance because if I'm all all the time,
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  Speaker 1: it's can be pretty exhausting. So I do my best
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  Speaker 1: to turn it on and off. And I feel like
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  Speaker 1: as as I've gotten older and more experience on the
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  Speaker 1: world tour, it's been easier to find that balance.
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  Speaker 2: Talk to me a little bit about when you first
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  Speaker 2: became cognizant of that mindset shift getting into the water,
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  Speaker 2: because you not only realize that, hey, I kind of
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  Speaker 2: turn it up a little bit when I get here,
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  Speaker 2: but you began to get to a place where you
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  Speaker 2: could use that to your advantage, which is really helpful.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, honestly, I feel like the way I
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  Speaker 1: was raised really helped me, Like in this. My dad
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  Speaker 1: was always like or you know, both my parents were
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  Speaker 1: always like, hey, if someone beats you, like, tell them
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  Speaker 1: good job. Like don't ever have like a chip on
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  Speaker 1: your shoulder and think you're better than anyone.
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  Speaker 3: Like everyone's good, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I think knowing that from a young age really
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  Speaker 1: helped me just naturally grow into that. Obviously, when you're
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  Speaker 1: younger and you're you know, from fifteen to like twenty,
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  Speaker 1: i'd say, you're just like, you don't even you're just
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  Speaker 1: so obsessed with winning that you don't even like care
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  Speaker 1: about anything else.
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  Speaker 3: And then when you know, when you get a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more experience.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, like I can be nice to people,
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  Speaker 1: and when like it's okay, you know. But like I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when you're younger, you just you just have your guard
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  Speaker 1: up and you're like, I don't want anyone in I
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  Speaker 1: don't want anyone to distract me. And I'm really glad
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  Speaker 1: I found that balance because some of my great. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I have great friends on the tour and I see
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  Speaker 1: them more than my family all year. So it's like
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  Speaker 1: it makes the whole experience more enjoyable when you're friends
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  Speaker 1: with people that you're with all the time.
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  Speaker 2: So, and it's so complicated because maybe for people listening
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  Speaker 2: they don't know this, but a lot of women that
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  Speaker 2: are thriving and surf, you know, maybe they finished high school,
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  Speaker 2: maybe they don't, and most don't go to college. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So you're at such a young, impressionable age to not
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  Speaker 2: only be in this place where you're learning who you are,
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  Speaker 2: but you're learning just how to interact and then how
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  Speaker 2: to compete all simultaneously.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super funny to be like, you know, age wise,
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  Speaker 1: really young, but you're living like an adult life, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like you gotta you do have to grow up really fast.
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  Speaker 1: But then there's other things like you obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I graduated high school on the road like online and
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  Speaker 1: I and which is fun like I would serve my
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  Speaker 1: heats and come home and do my schooling still, which
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  Speaker 1: is like a funny thing, you know. But yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: definitely a different lifestyle. But I wouldn't change it for
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  Speaker 1: the world. Like, I love it so much, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're always growing and learning as humans, like no matter
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  Speaker 1: what you know, and that's the beauty of life. You
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  Speaker 1: just keep evolving and growing and it's fun. You's got
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  Speaker 1: to ride the roller coaster.
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  Speaker 2: Got to the wave, right, Dave, ride the wave. You
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  Speaker 2: know you said have to grow up really quickly, right.
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  Speaker 2: What was the most challenging part of that for you?
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  Speaker 1: I think just like a lot of expectation from a
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  Speaker 1: very young age. I think that was probably the hardest part.
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  Speaker 1: Looking back, I think like when I was younger, like
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  Speaker 1: when I first qullfed for the tour when I was fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: I you kind of like you just think you're invincible
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  Speaker 1: at that age, and then I think a few years
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  Speaker 1: down the road, I was kind of like it kind
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  Speaker 1: of caught up to me and I was like, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm like nineteen, and if I don't win the
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: world title this year, then I'm a failure, which is
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: so crazy to think about, you know, and that's so wild.
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: But I think when you are so good at such
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: a young age, that expectations on you. And I'm also
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: really hard on myself, so I think that all kind
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: of caught up to me, and I think having really
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: good people around me was very helpful to kind of
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: get over those barriers and stuff like that. But I
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: think that was the hardest part, just all the pressure
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: and knowing how to handle it and being expected to
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: just handle it, you know what I mean, and just
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: being expected to be okay all the time. You know,
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: like at the end of the day, like you're on
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: you know, people are watching you on the screen from
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: home or across the world, and you know, no one
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: cares if you had a bad day or if you're
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: going through something in your personal life, Like they just
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: want to see you surf good and win, and you
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: just have to be able to compartmentalize and handle that.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, I feel like I don't know, Yeah,
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: having good people around me has been really helpful with
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: all that.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: You said that you have high expectations for yourself also
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: reference people watching you on television. Where do you think
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: that the weight of the expectations was the heaviest.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: That's a great question, like is it coming from you
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: or is it coming from them?
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a little bit of bold.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's funny because like it's a compliment
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: when people have high expectations for you, and I'm grateful that,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: like people do have that because that's like what you
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: want because they believe in you. They think you're real,
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: recognizing real. Yeah, like we love that. So maybe myself then,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously, like you just you want to be
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: really good and that's what makes you so good is
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: you're like not satisfied. You're like, I just want to,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: you know, push myself and keep getting better. So probably
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: on myself. Yeah, probably on myself.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: And those expectations worked for you, and that they brought
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: you all the way to the inaugural surfing Olympics moment.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Talk to me about what that looked like for you
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: and how you felt getting in the water on that
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: world stage.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Olympic experience was one of the
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: best experiences of my life. Like it's it's hard to
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: kind of put it all into words because everything's cool,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: like Tokyo twenty twenty, which ended up being twenty twenty one. Right,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I was so oblivious at that Olympics, Like I growing up,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: surfing wasn't Olympics, so I didn't even like know that
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: was a possibility, and so growing up I obviously knew
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: what the Olympics was, and I did watch it, but
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: not as closely as I do now. Now I'm the
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: biggest fan ever of the Olympics. I just watched surfing
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: because that's what I cared about. So I remember the
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: moment I qualified. I was seventeen. I remember my whole
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: family was there. It was a really special moment. We're
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: in Maui, Hawaii, and my parents were like, I don't
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: think you understand how big of a deal this is.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Like this is so cool, Like you know, they've been
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: watching the Olympics for forever and they're right, Like, I
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: had no idea how cool it was. Yeah, Tokyo was
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: an interesting experience obviously because you know, it was during
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: a pandemic, but it was still like the coolest experience ever.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: We had an amazing team as well. My fellow teammate CHARRISA.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Moore won the gold medal, which was pretty amazing. That
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: was amazing to witness, and for me, it was kind
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: of like a tough one result wise.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I came up.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Fourth and that's like probably like one of the hardest
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: results to get at the Olympics because you're so close
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: to that medal. And like it's literally like you have
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: one hand on it and you just like it slips
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: away from you. And it's crazy with surfing too, Like
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like I was had I feel like I
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: was surfing really good.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I felt like I was really on.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I felt like I had a lot of confidence that
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I was just going to do really good and I
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: just had like one bad heat and just like mother
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Nature and things like that, obviously, I you know it's
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: on me. Everyone has the same opportunity. But I just
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: had a bad heat and that's.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: All it bad.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Thirty minutes on the water, and that's all it takes
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: for like that dream to be taken away from you.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: So that was a hard pill to swallow. And I
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: think because you know, the Olympics is only every four years,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: you know, you have to wait. It's not like you
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: have an event in another month and you kind of
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: forget about the last one, like number one. It's incredibly
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: hard to qualify for how good everyone is, and and
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I had to like sit there and think
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: about it for four years and that was a tough one.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, my experience was still amazing
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: and that was my first Olympics, so that was really cool.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: And then yeah, fast forward into Paris.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Obviously, winning the gold made it feel so much sweeter
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, I know what it's like to.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Just miss out.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: And then I was able to have my family in
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Paris too, yeah, or in Tahaiti, which which made it
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: so much you know, that's what makes our journey so special,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: sharing with people you love, and I didn't have one,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to have any family and friends in Tokyo
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: because of the pandemic.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: So it all worked out the way it was supposed
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: to do, and I'm just really thankful.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: You know, so whole journey and that journey, right, But.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: It's hard to think that way when you're like just
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: missing out on a spot. You're just thinking like, oh
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: my gosh, like it's the end of the world, like whatever.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: But now looking back, I'm like, oh my gosh, Like
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it just made that moment of winning the gold that
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: much sweeter and it was just incredible, best best time
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: of my life for sure.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Of course, she says, that's twenty four years old. You know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: far far, so far, so far. You know, so many
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: things to double click on. The first thing that I
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: want to touch on is you said, I got into
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the water and I just had so much confidence. And
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: you say that even though you acknowledge that you got
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: to the Olympics and you're like, I have no idea
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: of what we are dealing with here. Where does that
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: confidence come from? Where do you garner that and build
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: that up?
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I think it was just a lot of really good preparation,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: like knowing. I think for me, when I know I
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: put like one hundred percent of effort into something, I'm like,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: whatever the result is, I know, I'm not going like
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: to bed at night going I could have done one
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: percent more like that's the worst. I don't ever like,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: looking back on my whole career, I don't ever want
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: to feel that way. And I think that just breeds
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: confidence for me. And you know, I also had a
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: great batch of boards, great equipment. I felt like I
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: was in a really good headspace, which is really important,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and I just felt like I was surfing really good.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: And that just gives you confidence right there, and that's.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Something to be so proud of, right that all knowing
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: like I am doing truly the best I can here
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: with what I have. But then, as we know, you
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: come up just short. I want to hear about what
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the aftermath looks like of coming up just short.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was tough.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Like like I said, it was kind of a caerd
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: day because like I cam up just short, but I
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: don't think I really realized, like it didn't really hit
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: me till later, Like I came up just short, and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: then like an hour later, my teammates winning a gold metal.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: We're celebrating her kind of like distracted me from what
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I was doing. And surfing's an interesting sport too, because
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of Olympic sports have, you know, team metals
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: multiple divisions.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Surfing's one. It's like very like either win or you don't.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: There's like one person that's on top, which makes it
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a lot sweeter but also makes it a lot harder.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: There's no second chances, you know. So we celebrated her.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I went home, and I think like a couple weeks
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: later it really set in for me, just going damn
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: like and I just kept like and honestly like I
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: had moments like up until the Paris Olympics and winning
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: goal that it like really like haunted me in a
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: way where I was like, oh my gosh, like I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: just know what it feels like to get to come
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: up short. So yeah, but at the end of the day,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you can't dwell on the past too much, like you
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: got to just like, you know, learn from your mistakes,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: move forward, and just get better for it. You know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: otherwise it'll just eat you alive.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: You made that decision then after that first games to
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: take a step back and take a break. Talk to
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: me about the decision to take a break and how
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: you knew that that was going.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: To be right for you.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I actually didn't really know, Like I mean, I just
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: knew I wasn't in a good headspace. I knew that
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: my priorities were pretty off. Like I know what it's
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: like to just like be in a great headspace and
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: things are flowing, and I know it won't always feel
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: like that, but I just, yeah, I felt off. I
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: didn't feel healthy, and I think having like those feel
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: good people around you to lean on and be like,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: what do I do?
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Like, I just felt really lost.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: To be honest, what did not feeling healthy feel like?
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: For you?
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I mean it was tough because that was my first
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: time feeling like in that position. And that's I think
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: when I talked about previous like everything catching up to
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: me with the pressure and the expectation, and just like
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: you know, like our lives very busy. We're constantly looking
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: forward to dates and stuff like that. Would like dates me,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: like competition.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Dates and not romantic dates.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Competition dates, stuff like that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: You know, So I think you sometimes I don't even
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: have time to think. You just like go, and then
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, when there is a moment to pause,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you're like, whoa, you know what I mean totally so yeah,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I think having an amazing support crew really helped me
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: like be like hey, like again, like that's when my
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: family I kind of really leaned on them because I'm like,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: you guys know me better than I know myself right now,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Like I feel really lost and I want to do
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I just don't feel like myself.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: And as hard as it was to step away, it
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: was really uncomfortable.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: All I've ever known was surfing and it's just been
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: brought me so much joy and happiness, and to kind
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: of get all that ripped away from you is really hard.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: And I was kept telling myself, like, you know, it's
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: not a sprints of marathon, like I want to do
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: this for a lot more years, and I you know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I want to do. I want to enjoy it. And
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: that's why I started surfing, is because I enjoy it
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: so much. I was only nineteen at the time. I'm like, what, Yeah,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: what's one year when I have my whole life ahead
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of me, right, and and the moment is the.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Worst thing ever.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: But looking back, I'm glad it happened to me because
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty stubborn, so I almost needed to hit like
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that rock bottom, you know, for me to really be
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: like all right, Like I got to get my stuff together.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for sharing that.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: It's so commendable to be in this place where you
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: can vocalize, hey, I'm not okay. And especially when we
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: talk about mental health, that is something that is so
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: challenging to confront because it's not like you're on the
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: water and you caught a bad wave and you fell
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: and you broke something like a brain injury for lack
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: of a better term.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: It's so different, very different, and I like to be honest,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't really know too much about mental health until
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I was going through it, and I was like, WHOA,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Like so many people can relate to this, and some
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: of my favorite athletes have taken a break and come
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: back even stronger, and those those are really inspiring stories.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: But you're so right.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: It's not like, oh I broke my col just got
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: to heal and fix it. It's like, you know, yeah, having
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: mental health times or issue or whatever like that's it's
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it's difficult for sure. And yeah, it's tough because you
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: kind of feel lonely, like oh, no one else feels
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: this way. But then I think as I started to
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: become more vulnerable, it's like, oh, okay, like this is
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: it's okay to not be okay sometimes and yeah, and
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: so I I it took me a while to get
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: there though, Like.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, so, what did the what did
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the healing if we're gonna use air quotes, like what
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: did the healing process look like for you?
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: In practice?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I think, just yeah, surrounding myself with good people, kind
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: of finding that joy I didn't serve for a few months,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Like just finding that, which is like rare for me,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Like I love, I love. It's hard for me to
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: stay on the water for a few days.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: So like I think, just.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Kind of peeling everything back and being with my family
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and you know, I you know, I live in California,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: but I went back to my hometown just like went
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: back to my roots and really like did things. I'm
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: not gonna go into like every detail, but like did
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: things to obviously, like you know, get me in the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: best mental space I could be in. And yeah, but again,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I know I keep saying this, but I think just
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: surrounding myself with really good people, people that you know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: will tell me like constructive criticism but also like really
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: build me up. I think was my family really like
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: they're they're a huge support in that.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I've heard so many times this saying, you don't take
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: criticism from someone that you wouldn't seek advice from. Yeah,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And so being in this place where we know that
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: we are the sum of the people that we surround
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: ourselves with at any given moment, what a beautiful opportunity
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: for you to lean into that support system for sure percent.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: So spoiler alert, it it does you really well.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: It does you really well, because not only have we
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: already referenced walking away from Paris with that gold medal,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: but also a world champion talk to me about getting
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: back into the water and how it felt those first
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: few times.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: That's so funny.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: The other day I was talking to my coach and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: he actually mentioned he's like it's crazy, like some of
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the best, like the best things in my career happened
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: after I took time away, which is so wild to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: think about, and like in that moment, I never would
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: have thought, like I was like, am I ever going
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: to be back to that person I was before? Like
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: that girl just grew up that love surfing and just
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: loved competing. And yeah, it's been a really fun journey
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: so far, which is amazing. But yeah, I mean I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: started this season I won the world title twenty twenty three.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I actually started this season like just super uncomfortable and
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: like vulnerable. I'm like, okay, I just took the most
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: time I ever have off a competition, Like you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I'm surfing. I'm excited about it, but like, you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: where am I going to fit in? I was like
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: it was just kind of weird, you know, and like
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the first half of the season, like yeah, I was
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: just kind of like like a little vulnerable, kind of
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: like nervous to kind of get back into it. And
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: as the year went on, I just kept building confidence.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: And that's when like I kept telling you myself, I
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, I can't expect myself to just feel
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent perfect, you know, like I just it's
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: all good, like I'm gonna get through it. And yeah,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: as the season went on, I just kept building confidence, and.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: That's what I keep telling myself.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: So tell me a little bit more about that inner
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: dialogue because that is so interesting. Right, You're probably not
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: performing exactly how you want to, yet you keep showing
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: up anyway, which is so challenging.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Whether we're talking about sirfinger, we're not talking about the.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, self belief and courage is huge, like
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and things like aren't just like always going to be perfect,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you know, you just got to be like all right,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: like sometimes you just got to get through it and
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: just like have that self belief and that also gives
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you confidence. Like I was kind of like whoa, okay,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Like I wasn't you know, in my best mental state.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: But then I still, you know, kind of like talking
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: like sometimes you gotta fake it till you make it.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like tell yourself, I got this, and
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: then like you know, it worked out, and then it
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: almost gives you confidence like okay, like you can do
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: it if you have self belief. But yeah, as the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: season went on, I started just like really clicking to
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: myself and it was like, you know, the second half
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: of the season, I had a really strong second half
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: of the year and I felt like I was surfing
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: really good. Everything was clicking, just felt like myself again.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean that winning role title has been
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the biggest dream mind since I've been a little girl,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: like ever, and the way it all happened to, you know,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I my whole family there, it was at Lower Trestles,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: which is like in my backyard. It was just incredible,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: like the most magical moment ever.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: So cool.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's so special to hear that, and
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: especially your acknowledgement that this really great thing happened for
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: me when I allowed myself to take a step back.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: So often we are going and going and going and going,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and to your point about like I'm always just thinking
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: forward to the next date that I have to go to, right,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: like we turn on autopilot. But when you take that
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: time to sit with yourself, as uncomfortable as it can be,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: it can also be a game changer for sure.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was my first time obviously doing that,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: so like it was weird.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I was like Okay.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I was like learning like so many things about myself,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and like it's sometimes scary to sit in your feelings
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, like it's a lot of times
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you want to distract yourself and make your schedule busy.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Just to like not think and to really like dive
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: deep and to really get to know myself was pretty cool.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It's scary, though, but it was like, looking back, you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: it's really cool.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: And yeah, someone says.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: That you really got to know yourself, tell me a
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: little bit more about that, Like what did you learn
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: about yourself?
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I just think, like, I don't know, that's a really
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: deep question.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: No, I mean it is, because I think that's so often,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe you're listening to a podcast or whatever
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: you're doing and someone's saying, like, I just really took
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the time to like get to know who I am,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: and it's like, well, who are you? Like when you
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I usually say this question for the end, but I
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: think it's a really good time to go there. Like
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: when you look in the mirror, what is it that
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you see looking back at you?
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: WHOA?
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I think I'm you know, I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: look at myself A couple of years ago to now
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and like you know, when I was sixteen to twenty
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: to twenty to just turn twenty four, like on Valentine's
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Day actually recently, and I think, you know, obviously, I
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: am a very like I do see myself as a
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: driven person that's like passionate about what they love to do.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: That hasn't changed.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: And I'm proud of that for sure, and that comes
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: from for sure, like my whole families like that, and
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: you are a lot of who you surround yourself with.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: But I yeah, I do, I will say, like a
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: passion a person. But I'm totally still learning about who
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I am and it's fun and I love it, I think,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: just like sometimes it can be scary, but I've just
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: learned to embrace it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: And seeing so much more like beyond who you are
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: as a surfer for sure.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: For sure, and I think, like you know, you start
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to like find joy in other things too, you know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: it's like you live, breathe, eat surfing, but you also can,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, like my friends make me really happier,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: like you know, going to a fun restaurant with my friends,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: like things I used to never think about or think
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that I couldn't do because I was like letting my
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: guard down, Like you can.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Totally do that.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: It's like letting my guard down.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: So I think like that stuff, I'm like, okay, I
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: can be do all those things. And I'm like, a really,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a pretty simple person, like going
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: to like a fun coffee shop or you know, trying
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: my favorite food, or going to see like the sunset.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Like I've seen a bazillion sunsets around the whole world. Yea,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and I still love seeing the sunset, I might, you know,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: like I still love it every time. Like that brings
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: me joy, and like just little things like that filling
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: my cup and other areas you know, helps me like
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: perform better because like it's not like so just like
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: one thing all the time.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: That's entirely how flow state works, and that's how alignment works, right.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: It's like when you feel good in one aspect of
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: your life, it starts to rub off on other things
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: that you care about. So for me, for instance, when
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I'm in a place where I'm like really dialed in
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: with something as simple as my morning routine, I take
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: care of myself and my mental health in the morning,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: and then I start to see that, like my work
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: feels better. I feel like I'm more present in my conversations,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: and that presence, that presence is truly what really trinks
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: up the volume for almost everything for sure.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, you made a great point, like
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: doing things that you know will make your day better,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: like finding sometimes if you don't feel like it, whether
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: that's like even like I know a lot of people
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: are into like ice bath or whatever whatever that is
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: for you, Like you know, like that sometimes just like
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: sets your day up to be like really good. I
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: mean for me, like it's cool to say surfings like that.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: For me, like it's my release, Like just getting in
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: the water. It like even if you don't have a
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: good session sometimes like you're just it's so therapeutic to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: me in the ocean. I know my days can better
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, okay, like got in the water, Like
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: you know, you're into mother nature, you're exercising.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: It feels good, you know.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I want to now segue us into that Paris conversation
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: because you talked about how difficult it was for you
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to recover after that fourth place finish. Now back at
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the Olympics, where is the mental state going into those
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: first competitions.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I think for Paris, I just tried to like not
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: look too far ahead, which is like very hard to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: do because like you're obviously there to win the goal medal,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and that's like but that's like a given. Like if
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: someone's like, oh, what's your goal, it's like, well, duh,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not here to get second, you know, like
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: who's gonna say that, you know, were there to win.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: But I think I was really trying to focus on
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: all the details and like how to into get getting there,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and you know, like I said before, we were competing
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: in Tahiti, which is a way called Chopu, which is
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: one of the most incredible waves in the world but
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: also one of like you know, can be heavy, scary.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: It's over you know, comes from deep water on a
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: shallow reef, which makes the way so powerful and intimidating.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: It's also a wave that you know, if you're ten
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: ten feet away to the ride, a little bit can
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: me the difference between like the.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Best way of your life or the worst wipe of
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: your life.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: So I think I was really focused on just like
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: learning a lot about the wave and just like trying
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to trying to focus on, you know, having good equipment,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: like getting a good lineup spots, surfing good. I think
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: when I focus on like myself surfing good and just
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: being happy is when things.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Just start to flow.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And I was just also like I just want to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: enjoy the whole experience, because the Olympic experience is so cool,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Like you're with a team, which you know, and surfing
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: it's very rare to get that. It's you're not usually
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: staying with your other you know, competitors, and so I
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: was just trying to enjoy the whole thing, you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: enjoy all like the whatever, whether it was like you
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: get like merch bags, you know, from your sponsors.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Like stuff like that. Just trying to enjoy like every moment,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think just being in the moment
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: helped me get to the moment I.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Wanted to get to. I don't know how to explain,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: you know, like I don't know.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: That presence again, Yes, it's allowing yourself to be like
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: this is where I'm going to be.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Right now, Yeah, be where your feet are exactly, I guess.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, and you pull out.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: With the gold with a very small margin Oh my goodness.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it gives me anxiety looking bad.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: This brings us into a conversation about befriending fear. What
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: has your relationship been like over the course of your
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: career thus far with learning how to befriend fear anxiety?
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Maybe the worry that comes up with getting out there
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: and surfing some of the biggest waves in the world.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's you know, there's times where I'm
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: scared all the time. Of course, like fear comes up,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: whether it has to do with surfing or not even
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: do it surfing, just in life. I think just knowing,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: like really good things happen outside of your comfort zone,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: that's what's like exciting to me, you know. Yeah, yeah,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know, like it's not that comfortable to
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: be in like a situation. Yeah, like even like riding
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: waves that intimidate you or or you know, being in
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: those really high pressure situations at the Olympics, Like that's
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: not comfortable, but like good, Like the best moments of
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: my life have been from when I've been uncomfortable and
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: knowing that it just motivates me.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Isn't it so funny though?
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Because it's you're on the edge of something so frightening,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: and I know there have been times where it hasn't
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: gone your way right, and so to then be able
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to say, I'm not gonna let that one wipeout or
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: that one negative experience be the thing that guides me
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: or dissuades me from going after what I want.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: That takes tenacity.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: For sure, one hundred percent.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Then again, that's like where the self belief really comes
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: in and things aren't part Like there's been times where
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: you know, fear overtakes your mind and whatever, But as
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: long as you learn from that and be better next time, Yeah,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: that's what's important.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Talk to me about the self talk that allows you
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: to kind of befriend fear in a moment like that
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: gold medal moment.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just like I said before, like just knowing,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: like really good things happen outside your comfort zone.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: What are you literally telling yourself in that moment?
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I have my own little like things that oh she's
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: keeping it a secret.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I can't give away all my Yeah, everyone has
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: their own thing that makes them click. Yeah you know,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: uh so I just have my own thing. Yeah, yeah,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: just cagy about her inner dialogue.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: It's okay, I understand for me, I'm this is like
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: so lam and I think I forget what, like, yeah,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: what's it like for you? I mean for me, for instance,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: like my version of getting on a big wave, my
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: gold my own moment, at least up until this point
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: in my career is getting on stage and maybe being
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: in front of thousands of people.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: That's scary, yes.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Exactly, And it could be a moment like it could
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: be just.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Like this, you and me, except we're on a stage
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: and it's consumer facing, and I have this opportunity to
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: not only show people that I'm capable of being in
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: the host seed of carrying on a good discussion, but
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: also my job is to make you look good. Right,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: And so I get up there and I feel the
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: sweat on the back of my neck, and I'm like,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I just want to.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Do this as good as possible.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: When I'm in that moment, my thing is what I
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: like to call I am statements. So it could be
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: something like I'm just telling myself all the things I
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: know to be true before I walk up on that stage.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I know that I am capable, and I am confident,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: and I am good at what I do, and I
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: have done this before, right, and that's where I go
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: because then it squashes maybe the thoughts that aren't truth
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: and I can.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Just look at the facts.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm an I AM statement person. If you
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: had to give me five I am statements.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Well thank you. I just learned a lot from you.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: I mean that's my goal.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Wait really quick.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a teacher tell me when I took it,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: like whenever I get nervous about taking a test in
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: school or whatever, like they would aways just say like
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: like just tell yourself, I know something like even like
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: saying that like, oh I know something like helps a lot.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I know it sounds so like maybe it might sound
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: like so simple, but you know.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: What it reminds me of.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: It reminds me of that same mentality, well, that same
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: mentality of like I make my bed first thing in
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: the morning, and it's because I like my room to
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: like look a certain way, but it's also because it's
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: something I can do that's productive, that takes four seconds
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: and reminds me that I am.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: I love.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Making my bed in the Morning's huge for me, Like
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I I have to do it, Like it just sets.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Up I don't care how early it is, like, it's
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: just it's so worth it.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: I have a confession.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's hear it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I make my bed in hotel rooms. Okay, yeah,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I don't judge you for that. No, I don't judge.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: I don't be a perfect like hotel room talk.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: I love a hotel room talk.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not like it's funny for me if it's like
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: an Airbnb, I'm like gonna make my.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Bed, oh, but not in a hotel room.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Hotel room, I'm not. You know, I'm not.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: No one's going to make your bed.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: So I know, and I know, like.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: This morning, I made my bed and then I just
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: went back before I came here and room services there
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: making my bed.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: So I was like, I don't even need to do that.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: But what I'm hearing he says, you've also made your
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: bed in a hotel room.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I did it this morning. See that makes me feel like,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: no judgment.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my heart's just like a habit, you know what
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I'm rerling you back to I AM statements now. So okay,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: for instance, if I was to tell you, like, if
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: you do this, you're gonna win the gold medal, what
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: are like four or five I AM statements that you
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: would tell yourself in the water.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I think I'm brave, I'm confident, like I put the
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: work in. I'm powerful, I am doing what I love.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Oh, I love that one. I love that one.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: I that not I am statement, but totally valid moment
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: there of I've put the work in. I believe that
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: that is the most powerful I am statement. Air quotes
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: here that you can say that you can reflect on.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: It's something that for me, I like to run, and
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: if I show up to a marathon starting line, the
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: best thing I can do is reflect on how far
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I've come, just like I'm sure for you when you
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: got to the Olympics, it was like, this is not
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: my first rodeo, Like I have put in the work
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: to get to this moment, and I'm back on this
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: stage because I deserve to be.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Here, for sure.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I definitely think the second time around, you know a
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: little bit more of what to expect, of course, because
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: even though it's not a completely different wave, you're more
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: like I've been here before, and like you do have
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: a little bit more confidence, Like I know, like I
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: knew more of what the pressure was going to feel like,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: which I think obviously was helpful. I just knew how
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: to handle my emotions better, you know.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, handling your emotions better. That's also something that
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: can be really challenging. And that goes back to the
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: why for me. Beyond the I am statements. It's like,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: sometimes we have these moments where it just feels so
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: much bigger than us, right, Yeah, it just feels uncontrollable.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: When was the last time you had a moment like that?
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe this film.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I honestly like I was just like, whoa, There's so
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: many like moving parts and like so much that I'm
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: just like, I don't know, Like I just think in
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: life in general, like there's just so much that's out
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: of your control, and you just like I think surfers
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: are pretty good at like letting it go because we
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: kind of have to be you know, we have to
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: be pretty chill with like life just because you know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: you're dealing with mother nature and like, yeah, the ocean
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: is the great equalizer, Like it's very it's humbling, you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: and you just don't know what's going to happen ever,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, making this film, I think, just like getting
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: trying to get everyone together. Red Bull's been an amazing
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: like the team behind this project. Everyone from Red Bull
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: has just been so incredible. If it wasn't for them,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: this project wouldn't happen. And just having really passionate people
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes that are going above and beyond of
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: what they even needed to do has made it like
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: be such an incredible film. So I think like there
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: was moments where I'm like, whoa, this feels so like big,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: and people were even thinking bigger than I will, Like,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: you know, people behind the scenes were thinking like than
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I was, because I'm just thinking, like surf film, I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: want to get all the best girls together and I
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: want to be inspiring, and some people have the scenes
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: were like, well, how about if we make it like mainstream,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: like people had never heard about surfing, like make it huge,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, like let's think about that, you.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Know, make it mainstream, which opens you up kind of
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: like we said about that New York premiere to new audiences,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: which exactly a big part of the goal. Say someone
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: is exposed to you for the first time, what is
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: it that you want them to see in you?
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Like I would just love for someone to watch the
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: film and be like wow, like they're such a bright
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: future and female surfing like that just looks so cool
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and so fun, you know what I mean. Yeah, just
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: like in just I guess like inspiring. But hopefully people
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: watch it and they're like, I want to.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Try surfing beyond the film though, what about you?
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I hopefully like people walk away and
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: they're just like wow, like if you like having like
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: that self belief, like if you really want to achieve something, like.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Go after it.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: You know, like hopefully I give off that vibe or persona.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I think you give off that vibe in that persona.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I think that there's just so much power in the
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: vulnerability of all of it. It's kind of going back
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to your note about I didn't really understand a lot
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: about my own mental health when I realized that something
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: fell off and I was struggling. Vulnerability is relatable. Perfection
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: is not relatable. Yeah, it never will be.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I think. Yeah, vulnerability is very powerful.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And that's like been a thing about social media that's
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: been tough, is because like we're all guilty.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm guilty of it all.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Just raise my hand like it's a highlight reel of
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: your life and you're not like, you know, you're not
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: posting a photo. Dun't that like you're having that you
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: had a horrible week from It's like about a great
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: week and perfect sunsets and like your best angle whatever,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: which is totally fine, we all do it, you know,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, just like having that vulnerability too
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: mixed in with that is is like like I say, yeah,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: people can relate to more.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: For sure, your best angles brings me around.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Which is no problem with That's like great angles every
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: which way. However, I can't imagine having to be in
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: a bathing suit for my job. How has your relationship
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: with your body evolved over time?
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I mean it's super cool to like, you know, my
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: work outfit's ubikini. It's a really cool part. But it
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: also comes with a lot of like you know, obviously,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I think for me, like the hardest thing was like
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: growing up. You know, I've grown up on the tour
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, from like fifteen to twenty four now,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: and like your body changes so much from fifteen to twenty,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: you know, and then the twenty to twenty five or whatever.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Not twenty five yet, but like you know, you know
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: what I mean. And so I think, just like people
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: just on the internet have access to say whatever they want.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: You know, anyone can say anything.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: And I think sometimes seeing things about yourself, like there
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: can be a million comments about like po the things
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: about how you look, and then one bad one. It's
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: just like hard not to focus on the bad one.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Are you people.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not a blocker.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, you.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Can just do you I'm not gonna, I'm yeah, I'm
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: just like kind of maybe people pleaser, like, ah whatever,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: you know now, I don't care.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Like you know, getting there is so hard.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well not like you know, I'm not for sure,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Like there's some things I don't you know, I'm just
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I care a lot less than I did when I
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: was younger, which I think just comes with maturity. You
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: become more secure in yourself. That's just growing up, you know.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think when I was younger, I definitely
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: struggle with it for sure. Likes, there's things that are
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like you always want what
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: you can't have, you know, like you might be looking
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: at other, you know, people that you want to look like,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: but then they there are people that might be looking
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: at you that they want to look like you. But
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: you don't think about that. You just think like, oh
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: if I just had this or that or whatever. I
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: think surfings really help me because I've always had something
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: to put my mind, like such a passion about being
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: so good at something. Yeah, that's helped me just like
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just like I love being strong for my sport,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: like because it helps me win and that feels good
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and that's what I want to do.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, surfing and being so passionate about
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: being really good at something and being the best that
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: something has really helped me with a lot of body stuff.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: You're like, no matter what my body looks like, it
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: empowers and enables me to do this thing that brings
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: me so much.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Joy for sure.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think like at the end of the day,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: like I've I guess I've just learned like everyone looks
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: so different, you know, like everyone's like body structure or
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: whatever it looks. It looks very different and that's cool.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: That's what makes everyone so unique and beautiful in their
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: own way. And I think knowing like you're the only
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: one that's you, that's like a superpower, Like no one
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: can be you know, one can be me. Like that's
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: just how it is, and I love that, you know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: not saying every day is perfect at all.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Like you know, there's days you wake up and you're like.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm kind of bloated, like I don't feel like
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: and then there's days where you're like I'm looking snatched,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: like hey, I look great, here's time for a carousel,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: you know, like time for my you know, like that's
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: super normal, you know, like and we all go through that.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: And I think sometimes like people might look at athletes
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: or like, I mean, I'm not a celebrity about any
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: means or celebrity. Like I've looked at celebrities and I'm like, oh,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: like their life must be perfect, and it's like everyone's
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: you know, human, and there's there's days where you just
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: don't feel that great, and there's days where you feel amazing.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: It's just like whatever, you know.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I think like the last couple of years, I'd say,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: like about like two years ago, I found like a
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: healthy balance. So we're like, well, I'm like I feel good.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I Like I'm happy with how I look, and I
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: also can do my sport and it just that brings
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: me so much joy, like I'm proud of like yeah,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I'm proud of that, you know, I.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Like feel like I could exhale for you, Like that
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: must be such a liberating feeling. Yeah, And to your
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: point before saying, we often want the things that we
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: don't have, for instance, a little bit of a shift.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: But your social media.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Following, right, someone might see, oh she has x amount
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: of social media followers, just like that must be.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: So cool, so much opportunity, et cetera.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: But then you're talking about maybe some of the downsides
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: that come with that too, all of that criticism, all
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: of those eyes. It's like you were saying even earlier,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: like if people have a feeling that they like want
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: to criticize you or they have expectations of you, right,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: then that's probably a good thing because you're doing something right.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, and knowing that too, like also knowing
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: like usually when people don't have anything nice to say, it's.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Probably to do with their own insecurity.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: And I just think knowing that you're just like well whatever,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: like you know, just like you're like feel bad for
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the person almost, you know, like yeah, and it but yeah,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: for sure, like the more eyes on you, the more
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: people you got to impress, which is impossible to impress everyone. Yeah,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: so which means you're probably going to get more criticism.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: It definitely comes to a lifestyle. But yeah, it is,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: it is what it is.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: What's uh, what's changed for you as a gold medalist?
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I think just like like out of the thing, the
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: things I've accomplished my career like that, that's definitely been
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: like I've gotten the by far the most attention from
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: that for sure, Like I was like, whoa, this is global,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: like everyone knows what The Olympics.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: Is even different than being a world champion for sure.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Like I think I definitely get more of like obvious
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: like I think in the surf world, I get more
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: like you're the world champ. But I think outside of that,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: it's very like you're the Olympic gold medal. It's like,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know kind of thing, which is
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: super cool. I think with you know, sponsor opportunities, just
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: opportunities like like that I think have been been huge.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: But I still like I still have this, you know,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: same friend group, Like I have my people, I have
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: my family that I love, you know, I still put
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: my shoe on the same way.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Or whatever, you know, like whatever saying it is what
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to say.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: But it is something that I think I'll always be
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: like to this day, I'm like, I can't believe that,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Like I can believe it happened, but I'm also like,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it happened. It is a pinchy moment,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: and it's just like it's brought me in a lot
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: of incredible opportunity.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: For sure, you're also in the Hall of Fame.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: When I say that, like, if you were to tell
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: your fourteen fifteen year old self that you were going
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: to be in that Hall of fame, what would she
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: even think about that?
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: It's crazy And to get into like that young too,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: was like how I was like, are you guys sure
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: you're getting the right person?
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean?
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, Like wow, I'm super honored. You know,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: if you told my younger self any of this was
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: going to happen, I'd be just like what, Like, yeah,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: are you serious? Like I'm just yeah, I'm so grateful
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: for everything surfing's brought in me. It's just been amazing,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Like all the best experiences of my life have been
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: through surfing, and some of my best friends are through surfing,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: like it's just been so cool.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: You know, last year I sat down with Gabby Thomas
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: and she talked really beautifully about the importance of being
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: a bit delusional.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, ignorance is blissed sometimes.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: It's blessed sometimes.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Really speaking all of these big goals and do existence,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: you're at this place now where you really check some
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: awesome stuff off the list. So if I was gonna
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: say to you, now, all right, get delusion, all what
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: happens next?
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: It's funny you asked that because I think after I
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: won the gold medal, everyone's like, well, what now, because like,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: those are my two biggest goals in serving ever is
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the world the world title in the gold medal, and
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: like doing both of those things at twenty two, it's
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: like kind of like whoa, okay, wait a second, that happened,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Like wow, you know.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: What I mean, Like crazy, Yeah, it's crazy.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: I think, like it's funny because I know, like I'm
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: so proud of doing those things, but I want more
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: of those things, Like I want I would love to
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: be in as many Olympics as possible. I would love
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: to win wor moral titles and just to like really
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: inspire this next generation and that's like I'm so proud
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: of this film because like I've never dealt like I've
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: always been so focused on competing and that's all I've
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: cared about. Is just like winning this film is something
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: that I just kind of jumped out of my comfort
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: zone of doing. Yeah, And I think that's why I'm
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: like super proud of it is because like I'm like,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: this is so new for me. I think I got
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: a little delusional there. And also including all my biggest
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: rivals was kind of like crazy to like think about,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: like to like just I've battled with it personally because
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, like I could selfishly do something about myself,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: or I can include my biggest rivals, which I know
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: will get more attention and like it'll just be so
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: good for the sport, you know, Like I have chills.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: That's so cool though.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: No, but like it's it's just like it's funny. I
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: was talking to the girls about this morning, like I've
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: totally bout like I don't know. I was like, I
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: don't know how you girls feel. Well, like it's been
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: hard for like I've battled with it myself, but now
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: that it's done and I've seen it and we're enjoying
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: like the fruits of our labor. Now I'm super proud
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, you know, but that was a moment
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: where I think I got a little delusional.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: Not anymore, We're not a delusion.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Put it aside, because it is here and it is done.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I am so happy that we were able to sit
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: down today. And again, I'm so stoked on the film.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: I got the opportunity to watch it earlier today. I
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: know after our conversation, you're doing a showing here in
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles tonight.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: So best of luck with that.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thanks for taking the time.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Of course, of course, now before I let you go though,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: right now, you have an opportunity to offer yourself a
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: piece of advice. Let's go back to after twenty twenty one.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Let's go to twenty twenty two. We decide that we
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: need to take a step back and do something really
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: hard and get really uncomfortable and prioritize figuring out why
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: everything feels a little bit off. Knowing what you know, now,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: what would you tell your younger self.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Girl, You're going to get through it.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Girl, you got a lot of fun ahead of you.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: You got this, You got this you're stronger than you think.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I think you're stronger than you think because
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: in those moments you feel so broken. So I think,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: just like, if I can tell myself, like, you're stronger
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: than you think, you're going to get through this, I
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: would tell myself that the.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Ultimate pep talk, you are the best. Tell us how
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: do we follow you on social media?
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Caroline?
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: So my Instagram is Caroline Underscore Marks with two s's.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: I think Caroline Marx has taken so TikTok, I think
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: it's Caroline Marks one. Those are like the two platforms
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I mainly use Amazing.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah I'm over at Emily a Badi and at Hurdle
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Podcast Another Hurdle Conquered.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: Catch you guys next time