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Terapia, drogas y rock and roll: la salud mental en la música (CARNE CRUDA 1325) · Carne Cruda Podcast

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There is a culture in which music is related to the party or to having
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a good time Dr Charlie Howard tells me. Dr Howard is a specialist in
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clinical psychology and works in the music industry. There are environments in which artists
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find themselves in places where they drink or use drugs, they say, they
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enter the circle and this becomes normal, so people often tell me well,
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this is normal and I say to see wait let' s doubt it for
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a moment, because it can be normal in your world. But it'
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s not normal. Walk O. Yes, we have accepted it as normal
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for musicians to live fast and die young leaving a beautiful corpse. But the
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body isn' t that pretty. Nor should it be so normal that so
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many musicians end up destroyed, devastated, sick or dead. Today we wonder
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what is behind the tragic ending of so many of our heroes and musical heroines,
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if excess and addiction will not have structural causes, but it will also
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be a voracious industry that devours musicians. On the 25th of March, two
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thousand twenty- two died in Columbia Taylor Hawkins, a drummer of which the
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oofighters sound. The toxicological test confirmed that the artist consumed ten types of substances,
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including antidepressants, bento tenpines, marijuana and opioids, which caused heart failure.
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Hawkins thus became another body crushed by an insatiable music industry. The band
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canceled the remaining dates of the tour on which he died but only a year
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later started another with a replacement battery. Any show must go on. Brafil
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is the musician before a body titular machine is complete. The fragile music industry
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is called this theme of charnego that will put the band Son hora del programa
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here i am son o team of production of your two Chilean breadmaking clan s
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o s o s o s o s o significa o s o dar ego.
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They will sound at the end of the program because one of its members
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is Pablo Garnelo, a psychologist, as well as a musician, a former
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member of Gnaga, a band that abandoned precisely because of the wild rhythm of
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the tours. Because today we talk about the mental health of musicians and their
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violet causes. We do this about Taylor Hawkings and another body appearing in baris
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life and death in the music of journalist Hayan Winwood, a book about how
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the music industry makes its own workers sick and, in many cases, die.
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Two of us will also talk to Rosana Corbacho, a clinical psychologist specializing
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in the music industry, Marta Fierro, em DJ, one of the Djama,
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important of the scene, whose pressure association in the cabin helps to make
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this problem visible, and also with Judith Manzano, social educator of the trans
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association and at the time of the theme, Mr San Abrias. That'
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s like saying there' s no one in the steering wheel. There they
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spend the years absonably for you and for this one there is also more to
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see closely, but humor is still scarce. Yes, as patience is scarce,
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especially with the scoundrel of his fur, he has fallen asleep again in
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the car. I' m on the verge of another Narcolepsy attack Give me
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two more posters of yours and I' m ready. I' m not
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saying about the pore car that looks like a pre- retired civilian guaris that
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it brings and the aroma that always accompanies it, well, because of regular,
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but superlative smell. With that learner upstairs. It' s natural to
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see when someone writes a book about the effects of these charlottes on my mental
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health. Okay, that' s fine, I think, but at another
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point something useful. Yeah, let' s go with the theme. Well,
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well, before deck it' s fear you, manda te, máz
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de mancro te marso the theme temozo, because we go with them in Abrial,
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Despite the legend that leaving a beautiful corpse in the world of rock,
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it is not abounding. These icons preserved as in both the Kukubens, the
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Jim Morris are the emiy Winehouse, which stand out in the tragic club of
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the twenty- seven, are just the tip of an Iceber, which comes
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out worse in the photo than they do. Behind these tormented gestures that we
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continue to see in HM T- shirts, is hidden an incalculable number of
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less remembered victims who were dragged by that monster that is the music industry and
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finally fell under their wheels. These are the calcined remains of rock and roll.
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Vads was the theme of sex Pistols, another calcined by rock and roll,
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and is also the central thesis of Ian Vingwood, published by Liburuat and
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entitled as I say this theme of the is pistols, another example of the
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mincer who can be the music for the musicians as soon as his bassist separates.
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Siythizius died of an overdose of heroin, after having apparently detoxified and before
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being tried for presenting the murder of his partner Nancis Pungen, with whom he
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maintained a toxic relationship marked by the consumption of eacha drugs the music industry has
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long allowed abnormal behaviors, as we have at the beginning of the program,
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to normalize, even to be celebrated. Fans tend to say we tend to
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swallow with the mythification of addiction and disease in love with this grotesque idea that
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art must be backed by suffering. Behind this romantic image, good romantic,
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if we think about it, quite ridiculous. It hides horrors and personal tragedies
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that Windowth tells bluntly and does so with empathy. The story of his own
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syncope interweaves throughout the book with a mental collapse, acute worsened by the division
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and drugs that led him to pass. Several stays in the psychotratic pistols and
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what counts in bods invadis we find chilling data like these. The risk of
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death of musicians between the ages of twenty and thirty is between two and three
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times that of the general population. The mortality of musicians of all ages was
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up to one with seven times higher than the deceased musicians. Thirty- eight
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with seven percent. He died of substance abuse, i e chronic alcohol-
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and drug- related disorders on doses or accidents or risk- related causes,
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such as homicide or suicide. I mean, we' re talking about almost
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four out of ten for these causes. So, put this data on the
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table, you need to talk to Ian Windwook about Budis. And that'
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s what you' ve done, Mr Sanabria. That' s in the
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epilogue I commented that I had realized that I had actually written a book about
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how the music industry makes people sick, so I asked him if that was
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his intention from the beginning to answer the question honestly. I don' t
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know. It' s very difficult, after writing the book, to transport
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myself to what I thought before I started writing it. Chan It is very
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possible that everything I had in principle were the most general topics and I don
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' t even know if I thought of the term mental health, which I
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don' t like very much to be honest, because it is also about
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the exploitation of musicians, the conditions of trans below. It' s a
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little more practical and these people are the structure that' s making people feel
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sick and they' re ripping us off. But what I can say with
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total certainty is that I knew I wanted to merge and two aspects of writing,
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or one of which was the journalist, which is what I do writing
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about other people. Actually, I don' t think I' m too
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good at writing about music, but and I' m good at something is
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writing about people who create music. Yeah, I don' t like the
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por por de los porros mano, the Captalloway theme, as an example of
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the fact that since before the break- in of rock and roll, the
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Jashments have already deified the idea of the addict, in this case, of
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the marijuana addict. Like I said, the lyrics lose their minds. Wow,
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the idea of music has always been linked to substance consumption. Practically some
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can help calm anxiety, stress, depression that suffer a lot is in the
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industry, but in other cases the remedy may be worse than the disease.
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As we know, from disorders. Winwood himself is an example. For example,
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not only musicians who are exposed to the dangers of this type of life,
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it is also technicians, promoters or journalists, who are really vulnerable over
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time. Medicine professionals will tell me that I suffer from bipolar rapid cycling affective
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disorder, impulse control disorder, personality limit disorder, emotional deregulation disorder. In
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addition, I also suffer from traumatic dessert stress disorder. From a stylistic point
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of view, they are many disorders for a single paragraph. I' ve
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taken so much medication that, when they bury me, they' re likely
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to do it in a coffin with an Indian- proof lid or not.
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I don' t think we can see identified, but not so much.
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Being his situation almost shaped by that of the musicians he speaks of in the
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book, it would be logical to think that his own experience would have greatly
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influenced him in writing it. I guess I already know that' s what
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I' m asking. He had also been reluctant to address his own he
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Wars miseries. Everything when you' re writing a book, everything boils down
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to what are the best stories. The best stories I had were about myself.
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But at the same time I didn' t want to be presumptuous to
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who cares about me. So I decided to marry him to broader topics,
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like working for an industry, because I actually work in the publishing industry,
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but I do my business in the music industry, which allowed me to be
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dysfunctional. He gave her a lot of places to hide, because many people
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around me were also acting so that they were reckless. Let' s say
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or wals O. What was difficult was getting everyone to join without problems by
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going over something that was incredibly tragic for someone else, the suicide of a
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gangmate or the sexual assault of a friend. And those are their stories and
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they' ve trusted me and that' s really a very valuable commodity charlo.
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There are terrible things that have happened to me and that in some cases
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I have done to myself and those are my property. If I want to
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go back and try to extract the black humor from those stories, I am
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in my right to do so because they have passed to me in maiero to
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get all that combined so that it is founded on a whole. It'
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s not like changing gear when you drive. That was very complicated. Change
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shan h Bogs that Richards singing to Lurdn East, waiting for the man who
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brings you the mandanga for twenty- six dollars of bull, although I have
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the impression that Kis never had to wait too long, because he had a
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court of flatterers and camels always available. Most gangs earn guaranteed income only on
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the road. During a tour on a bus, more than twelve people can
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live together inside their burdened occupants risk becoming co- dependent and childish, and
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at the end of the tour I can barely bear success. In case it
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is achieved, it can fade away how long the life cycle of an album
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lasts. Such a failure is an impact that some will never recover from.
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For one of the most glorified myths of the musician' s life, that
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idea of the bus as a pirate ship and the concert as the booty to
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conquer every night, when reality, in the end, is very different.
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In the book, British singer- songwriter Frantaner says that he finds it much
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easier to get into a dressing room and offer him cocaine or drink or alcohol,
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than to get some fresh fruit or it' s expensive and someone'
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s oil you imagine the boredom of the tour, the having of alcohol always
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available, the people offering you drugs. I asked Iyan if the musicians are
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powerless in the face of this current situation. Grave Howe, for Q I
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do not know whether impotent is the word I would use. I would say
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that the game is rigged in its contracted we the same way as a tired
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young mother with two small children shopping at the supermarket. It is not defenseless
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in the face of chocolate tablets next to the Houth house, as The Check
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are there for a reason. You know the kids want it. She wants
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to get out of here, so in the end the kids get the Chocolates
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The Bands, especially when they get into the environment, when they start playing
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live, they' re young, they' re excited if it' s
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an incredibly intense environment. Vive lives in an atmosphere of polarities. I'
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ve met bands that arrive in the room at 10: 00 a m are
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and stay there until 2: 00 a m the next morning when the van
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or the bus shop leaves. So, apart from the sound test and maybe
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some interview, it' s incredibly boring. But boredom is quite intense,
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because everything focuses on the concert. Then you have a few drinks and it
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looks like it all deserves. The film has spoken of something essential, of
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that polarity between the extreme boredom of so many hours and the maximum intensity of
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the few minutes that the concert lasts, and how to fill that boredom in
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something that gives you as much intensity as what you feel on stage. Mensf
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forking airboup t fucking whatop pand he fucking what tipper perl Worthport Oftat Bueno.
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One of the first clues we had from here to the goolia could have gone
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in Denmark was this documentary you heard Sumkine of Monster, in which you heard
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one of the metalliqueros scream is that he has left the band in another of
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those pathetic moments that we can witness when we are uncomfortable witnesses of as an
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established band, powerful and millionaire, as metallic, lost the roles as tragically
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as stupid. Well, I know the subject is terrible, but the documentary
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is almost comedy, comedy would comment that the moluntaria comedy. In the end,
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the best is funny trage to see as one of the most successful groups
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on the planet falls apart by ridiculous ego struggles, but also by exhaustion,
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creative pad, sense loss and, well, passion for the music committed.
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Yet, in mere business, far from the romanticism of its beginnings. So
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I asked Ian about them, who was an exception witness to the documentary.
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It' s like he was interviewed for the documentary. He was interviewing them
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on the same pair as those who made the documentary and found this story.
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In the end it comes out in the documentary, but many of the interviews
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that take out the book come out from that time when they were totally hearing
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two, James Heatsfille hope well, because I asked him and he told me
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about alcohol consumption. As we used to be attached to life on the Pun
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Road being Warren isn' t Guy. All bands have what' s known
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as raiders. The rider is what the group requests to have provisions for the
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cabal. Invariably it will be alcoco of sew to Metallica' s ulritz.
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He told me that in the eighties he realized that Metallica were getting something important
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that they succeeded, because in the dressing room they had two bottles of vodkap
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absolud instead of the bot camaranto yes ling ship wock Son. You don'
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t really have to drink those two bottles. But you finish your job at
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eleven o' clock at night. It' s over with people yelling at
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you and clapping. It may be four hundred people streng fourteen zero or seventy
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thousand or olno or it was fifth in two. Charming Tatsu is not supposed
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to be bedtime and you have three hours until the tour bus goes out there
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was bst Tops or Hwa bans, or there' s a mountain of alcohol
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in the Camelano. S or this kind of thing I don' t think
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is normal changes. The environment fosters behavior that then becomes routines and you stop
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realizing that it is excessive to the standards of how your life could be when
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you' re not in the op how or Wife My Who, Chacha wowomba?
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How long have you not heard this, for a long time, but
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have you not heard it? I have danced this as if there were no
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tomorrow I would know for sure your fame with the mythical are top hopping.
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It' s one of the few songs about bevergio. Yeah, yeah,
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a pint of vodka or a pint of beer and you' re done with
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it, but you know how many again what they were doing in their day
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and, as I say, it' s one of the few bands that
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show up boys who were really able to deal with success by just dropping out
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of the band. They continued to be an artistic community as a relationship between
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themselves, but at the moment that success began to turn their backs on them
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they said up here and there they are still alive. Or the relationship of
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drugs and alcohol to live music comes from far away. It has no signs
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of change, and there are real cases that have happened to me. I
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think most of us here are going to play a bar and being paid like
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beers directly say there' s no money, but we pay you with beers
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And when you' re young and when you' re stupid and you'
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re hit, well, they ask if there' s any other profession where
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you get paid with alcohol. Or I can' t think of any.
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Perhaps politics in the House of Commons. Here in the UK, bars are
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subsidized. Subygis Ani, Navignaby, shandolep Eat, maybe it happens at the
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stand up eaty and maybe it could be but you' re right. It
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' s not normal. Okay. There were a lot of drunk and crazy
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writers like Hemis Hunter Stonson, who were a little praised for that and ghis
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Of psthen wis Real. What is the real defining factor in the music business
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is that no one celebrates the life of, for example, Philip Samuhoffman or
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River Phoenix, who died, among quote rock and roll deaths, Mike Day,
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The Foon, Hot cl Dos. These are considered tragedies and this is
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not always the case. In music there is a kind of spectator group that,
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while not entirely encouraging them, at least they think that these excesses are
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consistent with a form of art in system tweete a Folm and Javi Warth bror
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of i e there is only one beer left. Start by saying this topic
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of em eff Doom. Another music circus victim. This rapper who died during
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the pandemic because of a complication with the medicines he was taking for hypertension,
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who also had no qualms about singing the virtues of cracking a beer, as
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he stood up as you hear, yes everything, I want to make two,
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boncho, yes, bonchis, no. Tube Goo, dom n sp
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so and it is true that the artist' s idea is still associated with
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excess. Even gnitifies, as we have said, it seems that the epic
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is accompanied to rock and roll or, to the youngest music. It has
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to go hand in hand with those excesses. In fact, if there is
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a fall, in disgrace and a subsequent resurrection, we already have the myth
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with capital letters and documentary in Netflix. Possibly many of us have grown up
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reading stories about addictions Johnny Hunders, What Trichards, the poor, the rich,
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who fell into a pep in New Orleans, who survived both somehow romanticizes
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the image of heroin. I asked her if we' re all a little
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guilty as writers, as an audience looking for a romantic side, something that
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' s so terrible wow a speech I can only speak for myself. I
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guess I' ve always been obsessed with the dark side stories of rock and
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roll rock w Ilwood Ho. I hope that in writing those stories I don
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' t think I gave him a layer of glamour, but I noticed them
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a lot and I hope I was at least neutral in my tone Son i
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Hop The Brans New Chlen a thousand I Fin. I think the answer to
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your question is that it just seems clamorous, because someone can imagine it,
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so they don' t know the practical aspects needed for a tour musician.
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It is even more difficult because it reaches a city and the first thing it
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has to do is to go out on the street and find a drug that
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is highly illegal and additive. There are dangers and getting an unknown substance in
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and if you do that for a prolonged period of time, your veins start
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to collapse and you will have dead processes and veins and your health will degenerate.
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And you have to know the details. I believe The d Tiles yes,
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yes, too much business yunke to match Yohn Key Business sang to John
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Sanderson this song dedicated to drug trafficking and drug use that chased him into his
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agitated musical life. The Hart Breacks who put the posters on look at them
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before they feel like it' s not real. I haven' t seen.
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You know the industry itself has sold the image of the musician who was
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going to die young. Guitarist Nio Dols could tell that he was going to
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die young. He apparently died of a methadone overdose in new Orleans, as
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he said before, in the hotel, after years of addiction, although the
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amount of enchanted drug in his body was not fatal and the family tried to
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have it investigated, as there were other reasons, such as a possible murder
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by giving you some drug dealer. But the police found a Jon Key dead.
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I didn' t have it. They said a closed case for whom
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they give the most. After all, he was just another Johnky of rock
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and roll. Pan meat the grinder and has changed something since the time of
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Thanders and Iam sees differences, sees a slow change, but according to him
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we are still far from seeing a solution to the problems of risin Ne.
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There' s a couple of answers. One of them very basic is that
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musicians are not properly paid for what they do eman mentioned playing at concerts and
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offering to pay you with alcohol. There' s only one thing you can
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do with alcohol, and it' s drink it. You can' t
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pay the rent with it, you can' t buy food, you can
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' t buy a book or go on vacation or invest it. You can
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only drink it. So you have to start paying people to a higher level.
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There is the deplorable question of paying royalties for streaming pants. You know
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it' s less than it used to be when bands sounded on the radio
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and it' s certainly less than buying a physical copy of an album.
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So that' s really fundamental. If that happens, the bands do this
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time. They don' t need to be on the road so often,
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just to make a living, because it' s a very strange place for
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star Ray strang Ps, the ro emerging organizations. People write and talk about
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it and that' s good. I don' t know what its net
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effect will be, but it can only help. I just hope they don
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' t look like the solution. The NS is only one part of a
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solution. It' s not the solution. I mean, Occupark was a
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man who died at the age of thirty- two, but the doctor who
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certified his death thought he was sixty- four. It was destroyed by alcohol
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and heroin, which not only the industry not only the public, but also
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the music press has always tended to consider the world of tours and the excesses
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that they carry as something almost mythical, not only in rock and roll,
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also in the world of jazz. Bird' s case isn' t the
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only one. Chet Baker or Sonny Rollings are also there, and it is
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that the free all also affects the music press, which in part becomes,
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as Winwood argues, a promotional medium, often being a promotional vehicle that sometimes
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does not address the problem and well that for years has hidden it in full
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view of I think we should all be a little more understanding. I give
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you an example of Pus Ban En. There' s a band in the
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UK called Yardact, who said Mira, we' re going to take a
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break for our own mental health on bn S. When this happens, don
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' t say, oh my God look, how hard you must get on
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stage and play for thousands of people when I work in a coll center or
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a bank or whatever, go poor worn or welter k c e faith pan
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riacho, because here' s the thing. Believe me. If a band
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has reached the point that you, as an audience, even I as a
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journalist, know its name, surely they have already endured more perurias than they
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can imagine and have slept on the floor. They have been rejected, they
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have played for two people or for no one for the bartender, they have
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been rejected by the record company, they have had a breakdown in their van.
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High The Band Break the Fi and if they are women, they are
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likely to have suffered at least unwanted comments and, at worst, sexual abuse.
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Darby Least subject, bon On te Ad Trance, The Object of Sextial
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Traspass. The people who stay there are so if they tell you my head,
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it' s not where I should believe them Leaf. That' s
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what I think we can do as listeners and music consumers. Kyle wasonl Henshin
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ok of yes being. The band named George Act was given and performed by
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The o' brunlowd an example of a group that knew how to stop in
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time and not be reduced to ashes. Because the conclusion of all this that
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we are hearing and that we are talking about is that many of the excesses
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of musicians come from excesses against musicians I thought all the time in amy Winehouse
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or in simoun children turned into hens of golden eggs squeezed to leave them exhausted,
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in one case, dead prematurely and, in another, mad and practically
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evicted from the world of music. That preaches to us for many years this
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industry, that press, those fans who end up boring the musician and leading
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him to the abyss. We have tried today to put some light on that
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darkness so that we do not behave in a deplorable way. We thank Ian
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Winwood for having taken care of us and recommend again his book Boddis Life and
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Death. The music edited by Lee Buruag. Unfortunately, the grim reality that
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they showed us in their book. It is not the exclusive heritage of the
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United Kingdom. The United States in our country. I believe that, especially
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to go from the pandemic, there have been repeated cases of musicians and DJs
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seeking specific help for a field where historically creativity and emotion, when not directly
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mental disorder, have gone hand in hand. Yes, and to talk about
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it and we have a cast of guests specializing in the subject of mental health
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and the world of music. The first of these is Rosana corbacho Violeta,
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presented in clinical psychology and humanist psychopedagogy, as well as music lover, and
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both interests join in MAITHERAP, an organization directed to confines on mental health in
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the music industry. Rosana, in addition, works at an addiction recovery center
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and offers specialized psychological treatment at her private clinic and now listens to us from
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Australia at her eleven at night, which we thank her for. Rosana,
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Well, raw nights for you, raw days is for us how you are
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the two days and cross of nights, because I am a little tired,
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but very happy to be here. So thank you very much. Happiness is
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shared by us. Hey you' re a psychologist, clinician, humanist,
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music lover, which consists of each of these perspectives the part. I think
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more important is that that union between psychology and music, because it came first.
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Music came, not only because I liked it, but I went to
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London to live at twenty- one years and I started working in different roles
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both presses, labels, tour manager records, good of everything a little bit
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learning English at the same time and what happens in this industry that all your
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friends, your friends are, either musicians or have something to do with music
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and have a lot of passion. We have a lot of passion, we
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' re going to include everyone and everyone. And little by little I began
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to see also that there was a face b that was not spoken, that
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was not seen, that even within society was not empathized with that part that
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had to do, because from the anxiety of pressure, creative blocks, what
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happens with the tempts And I saw that there was no one to help,
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that is to say I sent them as psychologist specialists, and there was no
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one to do it. And I decided to start studying psychology because I felt
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it was such a big problem, so broad, so specific and so serious
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that if I was going to go inside my head, I needed a scientific
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basis. Then I started to study psychology, while working in different roles,
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from festivals to everything else. And a little like that, because taking the
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books to many places, the truth more to do with the symptoms and the
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humanist part has more to do with helping people grow, develop and get to
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know each other. So, well, a combination like the three elements,
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but also ignorance. You said Tiennitus, you can explain to me first what
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it is and second, what are the psychological particularities of the mental disorders of
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musicians, which is the difference from other professions. He' s got your
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aqufe I don' t think it' s called the truth I' ve
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got a lot of spanglis and more. Being here and sorry is going to
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happen to me, I have to translate it for noises in the ear,
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not generated by the volume of music so inserted in the ear or noise in
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the ear, especially when it is silent. This for a person who does
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not dedicate himself to music is cause a lot of suffering and can activate,
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because if I have anxiety, then more anxiety, or good what each one
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has. But in someone who dedicates himself to music, we go straight into
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panic. People who work in this sector have the same types of disorder.
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What happens is a higher percentage. Or, as I say, we can
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always have certain tendencies or probability of developing a disorder in our family tree.
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But if I get into an industry where I don' t sleep, not
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like I don' t have breaks and I' m touring out of my
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house for six months, because what I have there in powers like getting into
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an express pot, is going to be more likely to develop it. Yeah,
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there are certain features, because if we leave because Ves is commenting a
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little bit more on the band issue. But if we can set the example
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of a classical music musician starting to form in his career at five years old,
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then there the brain is not developed you breed with extreme rigidity. And
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this, because it causes higher rates, both of substance abuse, which also
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happens in the classic, as successive compulsive disorders as well as good, so,
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a lot of forms of at the end of self- medication that can
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be either with substances or with behaviors in an environment where, moreover, it
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is very well seen, because those who come to see you, because they
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come from parties or come to a concert and come to have fun, even
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if you are working, because maybe you have spent half life on the other
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side of the stage. So, well, it mixes a little everything pink
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and we can affirm that the music industry is negligent in the treatment it gives
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to musicians. Yes, the music industry and all those who work in the
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music industry, but not only the musicians, but also the manager lock or
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that the press people you will also know the main problem. One of the
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main problems is that we prioritize career needs over basic physical needs. So it
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' s good, because if something hurts me, because I don' t
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care, I have to go out and act or I have to set up
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that stage, or I have to stay to dismantle the festival, or we
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have to keep driving. Then there are many risks that take a little to
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put the product, either the album, the concert tour, because, above
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all and clear from the outside you do not notice. From the outside you
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just see what a good concert, how cool, how I like my band
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And if something happens to them then there' s like that surprise. Somehow
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the culprits are sought, both musicians, because good are partying appears and or
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if we are talking only about musicians, what they suffer, because we are
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looking to blame the managementss or the stamps, but that in the end they
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are all the same. The truth. The thing is, they' re
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less in the press. We used to talk to Ian about this elephant species
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in the room. Everyone knew what was going on. You who' ve
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been dealing with it for years now, you think that from the pandemic,
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maybe the taboo of talking about Montal Uassalud has disappeared a little bit. In
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the world of music we have been talking about this subject for a long time,
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fortunately, precisely in Australia and the United Kingdom, where they have been
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a little more advanced in terms of scientific studies and carry as a little more
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material within their application university and so on. It is true that there is
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not much specialist in the world of the few there are, because I think
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we are quite connected and connected. You do talk more, you do see
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more in the press. And also what I see is that there is talk
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not only of the most serious effects that can be, because suicide, deaths
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by accident or by negligence, say, but also of anxiety or other problems,
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when it has not yet reached that point of licer to see that it
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was the one we saw before in some way, I think that everything we
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do here, in this environment of music around mental health and the own emotion
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of health also, because somehow exercise a high voice for society. If you
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' re going to see your favorite band, you' re sixteen years old
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and they tell you and they' re talking openly that they have psychologists.
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Psychologist because this will also be a positive influence on both fans and society.
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So we have a big mission there. Of course, something seems to be
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changing in the world of sport as well. Famous stars of sport protected precisely
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by mental health problems. Some musicians have declared they are going to therapy.
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It seems that young people come with another mentality, but it is possible to
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get out of this destructive and self- destructive spiral that generates the music industry,
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an industry that is drummed, so fast, so frantic. You can
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and I would love it to be from top to bottom somehow the part of
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the organizations, the stamps, the government, all of this. But one
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of the elements we have in the music industry is that there is not much
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union. There' s more to it than competent. Then, of course,
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each one is a little bit, trying to save himself, for what
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they are able to do and do their job as best they can. I
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think it' s important that we name all this. Substance abuse sometimes comes
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not only by choice, but to be able to live or enjoy something that
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you no longer enjoy or that you have to move on. It is used
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as a crutch as a coping mechanism. Then you can first go to therapy,
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of course, or well, talking to people, having a healthy and
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healthy team around you that supports you and learning you also to set limits,
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because, as much as your label, your manager or whoever it is tells
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you, yes, yes, you can take a day off and, on
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that day off you spend it all watching Instagram and comparing yourself with other artists
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and having certain behaviors that are not healthy for you, because you are going
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to worsen the problem that you already wear I think we have to start by
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identifying, because when we are there to the point of Barknout, being burned
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levels of very high stress or when the consumption of alcohol or other substances has
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changed that each one has, because there are moments in the race that I
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feel are more dangerous at the beginning and end of the races. It is
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where we need to be more careful about that substance abuse, and not from
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the trial, but also from the observation. That' s one of the
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problems that sometimes when there' s a substance consumption and we go to a
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professional, because that is already judged as valid, all your problems come from
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there and we don' t look at the part of what we already bring
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due trauma in childhood or how this has changed. So, well, you
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can, but sometimes you have to play bottom or sometimes you have to be
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there about leaving the music in order to give a chance to look inside,
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because we are so attentive from what they ask us from the outside, that
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it' s a little difficult. There are musicians who ask for a break
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and retire for a while, because besides, it is as you said well,
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there is a new crushing pressure for them, which are the social networks
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and the brutal exposure that the stars of the Corbacho pink music have. It
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' s been really nice to hear you and very interesting. Thanks for the
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work you do. A very strong hug for Sidney. Thanks a hug.
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For twenty years I have had a problem of insecurity in life, of feeling
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that sometimes I do not belong to that moment and to that place in therapy.
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I try to identify my emotions because it' s hard for me to
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know, because it' s a bit of a shock and it closes my
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stomach gives me a feeling of anguish. My head has a lot of defenses
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with certain things. You touch a key and I go the other way sometimes
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because it costs me. I find it hard to connect with me, I
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like to connect with my emotions. We heard irreversible DEMDDJ, the pseudonym of
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Marta Fierro and before Marta herself tell us her experience yes well and all Marta.
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He has skipped fame as a DJ in publications like Rock de Luz,
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has participated in a multitude of festivals and is the author of two books Mom
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I want to be a DJ and how to be a DJ. Educational outreacher.
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In addition, it has driven depression in the booth, a project that
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addresses the challenge of mental health in the music industry and promotes collaboration between DJs,
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artists, public and promoters welcome marta. What, then, is delighted
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to be here one more time. Yeah, well, I was very funny
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when you heard it, you were embarrassed, as you already say, that
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it' s very embarrassing. I don' t want to leave because you
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still have that insecurity. Yeah, actually, once I have to watch the
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documentary again, I don' t want to watch it. I mean,
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I get out, I just don' t get uffff. But well,
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you' ve told so many things that very few and very few are going
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to tell. Well, that' s what I' m told, but
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I don' t know. For me it' s like something already so
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natural, not good, but there are many that are coming. In fact,
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what is cabin depression, person in the cabin. It is a project
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that was born to give voice to others of what I had been talking about
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for a long time, which was mental health within the environment of the DJ
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music producer, which was good, because it was already my song, not
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the song that I had been singing for a long time, because now that
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I sing it to more people you have not told yourself that you suffered your
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first anxiety attack, very young, just before a performance. How you handled
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it at the time, you found help. What you missed at the time.
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I failed to understand what I, what was happening to me because I,
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all of a sudden, was give me a bucket and put it next
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to me because I don' t understand what I mean, I had an
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alien in my stomach and it was like any time I' m gonna throw
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it all away. So put me in the cabin because I don' t
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know what' s going to happen and clear to me, it was very
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humiliating to puncture with a bucket next door and that people were there watching me,
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if I threw up or if I didn' t throw up, or
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what I would have taken to get to that end. You know, and
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that caused me quite a humiliation. I don' t know. I didn
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' t like it. You started to wonder where that whole thing came from.
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What happened to you, of course, yes, that it took me
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time to find a psychologist, to do match with the psychologist. That cost
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me, but when I found it, it was like opening up a new
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world for me, I mean, it was like talking to myself and explaining
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things to me. I don' t know, it was amazing. What
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you found there, then, especially understanding and above all taking a lot of
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blame off me, uncle, because I was very traumatized of other things and,
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as Rosana said before, besides it does not seem that we came only
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to this moment of devoting ourselves to music. But of course, you bring
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your backpack. Sure, then I came with a lot of guilt, a
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lot of guilt, and I didn' t know how to put that down.
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That' s like between the guilt you' re carrying and you don
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' t know who to take care of. Also not, because it'
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s like you want to tell responsibilities, but who you throw them to And
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it' s a little bit to assume everything that happens to you and learn
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to carry the weight where it belongs, you don' t know and balance
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all that and he already tells you to find Guillermo, who was my I
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mean, he' s my psychologist, and to teach me to see where
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all that stuff came from, from behind, from childhood, from family,
46:30
from balancing all that and such the truth that came to suppose me and how
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life in the cabin came from. What' s enhanced is that the Gabina
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undresses me a lot, Uncle, the cabin makes me very vulnerable and at
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the same time comes make me very strong. It' s two things where
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I feel very powerful because I have the feeling that I can control a lot
46:46
of things and at the same time make me very vulnerable, because I in
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the cabin have cried of emotion and of being able to control things. I
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mean, it' s amazing about the cabin. Man, c that booth
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isn' t alone. He is part of the team, also of depression
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in the cabin. Judith Manzano, who studied social education in Salamanca, specializing
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in gender violence, and currently works in a residence for people with mental illness
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yugit Crudo Díaz Hello Good morning why did you get into that booth by chance?
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How was that coincidence? By any chance? Well, accompanying a person
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who lived here at the residence where I work, we need at one point
47:32
concrete support within a problem he had with the DJ era and he had a
47:39
problem with his controller. Searching the network, I stumbled into depression in the
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cabin, asked for help and from there generated a relationship and support that served
47:50
me and in which I decided to be able to contribute what could come out
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of me within my work experience in the world of mental health and also personal.
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What do you find in the musicians, in the DJs who contact you,
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who tell you what the roots of the juit problem are, because they
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have a lot to do, precisely with that, not with that lack of
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companionship, that competition that I commented before, that Rosana commented before not finding
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a refuge in which to be able to prey, but and to be able
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to comment without feeling esteemed, without feeling attacked within his own work environment.
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And it is precisely a completely hostile territory at the moment when I show you
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the moment you show yourself vulnerable to musicians, we said before to DJs as
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well. You' ve always been connected with the idea of nightlife. Nighttime
48:47
entertainment, always related also to alcohol, drugs. It is necessary to start
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changing that idea. It is rather possible to raise people' s awareness of
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the issue. Yes, yes, well, there is a fashion that already
49:01
comes from outside, especially, but the riders that we have commented before,
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well that you have commented before, already comes bios, already comes to the
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top of all bio and such and among the young people there is enough habit
49:15
of not getting high and you will be afraid. So I think we'
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re going well. But you' ve told yourself that when you made your
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anxiety public, both your cache and low hiring, it' s still a
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taboo, it' s still a problem. Yes, yes because it is
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true that there is still negligence within the industry itself, as Rosana told us,
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but there is the new school of what is the new music industry.
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There are things that are changing, that is, there is like a slightly
49:45
more empathetic mentality. And even if you do want to monetize everything the same
49:51
as in old school. I do believe that there are people who understand the
49:54
issue of mental health a little bit more and you think that the underlying problems
49:59
of our own culture, of our education, of the lack of treatment precisely
50:04
in one' s own education, in the face, the emotional education,
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the feeling of guilt and individual responsibility come, especially the problems that are social
50:13
in the day to day and do not take into account that health, because
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that has many more legs. The physical part, the psychological part, is
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the social part that we face in the day to day, many problems that
50:25
have more to do with where we live, how we live or with whom
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we accompany ourselves, what precisely happens to me or I can not face if
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I do not have those tools, those supports or those places of refuge,
50:37
I do not have the strength to face it. Of course, and besides,
50:39
one feels very lonely in a cabin. Sometimes I don' t think
50:44
it' s what I said the other day, which is one of the
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sexiest and most beautiful jobs there is, but at the same time you can
50:52
feel more alone surrounded by people you know why you' re making them dance
50:54
for you. But if you have anything to do with it, you have
50:58
a bad day, you can be very lonely. And most of all,
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it' s five minutes after they applaud you, they don' t remember
51:04
you. Sure and you go to the hotel in a city you don'
51:07
t know many times with all the adrenaline. That' s the worst thing
51:10
when you go to sleep or the worst anxiety I' ve ever had has
51:15
been with those adrenaline spikes to the full go, try to sleep and you
51:20
don' t know and I know people who were emptying the minimar. That
51:22
is precisely why we are going to talk to someone who also knows what the
51:27
madness of the tours can be and to go in a band with all their
51:30
illusion, but also to find exhaustion. We add to the table an authentic
51:36
clarkend of mental health, as well as walking by bicycle and with my case
51:45
at night throughout the city towards you transforms while looking Pablo Carnello, specialized in
51:57
the treatment of trauma and post- traumatic stress, mood disorders, anxiety disorder
52:01
and personality disorders. As Javier said, a mental health clarkend. Psychologist day
52:07
bassist at night is last, joke some bass players today, so know the
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subject from both points of view. He currently works with adult psychopathology, which
52:17
is what pays the bills. I imagine why, as musicians, he dives
52:21
into the underground by buzzing the bass with charmego same compa just truth nuncio.
52:31
We said that the music puts it in the charnego a superformation composed of members
52:37
coming from bitnaga or tsunami attention to dali from the punk and from the hardcore
52:43
pimpan slipper. The consequence of this crucible I hate the word crucible I don
52:46
' t know why I use it. It is because you are a pedant
52:50
of the powerful converging forces back to the future. His debut album, released
52:52
last year and which is Thermonuclear has said convergent forces. I have done with
52:58
the irradiating core merchants Pablo Ago you are raw days very well enchanted, well
53:05
you work in the branches written on mental health in the music industry. How
53:07
do we get an effective diagnosis instead of continuing to mourn deaths, as not
53:13
long ago. I heard a few words. I think it was a nando
53:17
cross, they lit me up a lot, that we were going to start
53:22
doing inspections and see what comes out of there. I think it would be
53:23
a good starting point, but also a little. What you talked about with
53:29
Rosana a little bit about becoming aware and good and valuing a little other circumstances
53:34
beyond money. What' s your diagnosis, doctor, about the industry.
53:39
Yeah, about the industry, about what' s causing this generalized anxiety.
53:45
I think it' s a sum of factors. First of all, it
53:47
' s a vulture' s nest. This is like the typical image of
53:51
the documentaries of the Two, where there is a torn animal and a bunch
53:52
of vultures until the food that we will see when it heals is finished.
53:55
I always think that the mental health victims of today' s industry will surely
54:00
see her in ten or twenty years' time. That and probably because of
54:05
the personal factors of each individual. Traumatic history a little bit the past,
54:10
structured families. Anyway, the history of the one has caught my attention that
54:15
in all the script that we have we have never put in the word union
54:20
as such truth that before and have talked about associations that are not she the
54:23
only one that can solve this, but what about the union movement, with
54:28
the movements of the workers in the world of music and industry so that they
54:30
live. So, good question. The truth is that I believe that industry
54:36
is in the hands of fewer and fewer people. In the book, the
54:43
dictatorship of supermarkets, the journalist spoke of the birth of the Castro, that
54:46
we live in a consumption model every time they are less in the hands of
54:51
fewer people. Modern distribution is called cannibal capitalism, and this is what is
54:55
happening in the music industry that, in the end, the rights of the
54:58
workers that matter least. In the end, what matters most is that the
55:02
great the powerful become even more powerful. And this is what is happening at
55:07
the expense of the mental health of the little ones and we have said,
55:09
in fact, that it is not just the musicians, that it is all
55:13
the environment that surrounds the musician, all the music workers, from the little
55:16
ones, that he is serving drinks to the one that climbs the stage.
55:22
You recently wrote an article in the Journal about fomo, fo missing out,
55:25
the fear of missing something and the culture of sollout is shifting anxiety, not
55:31
just to the artist to sell in the audience, but to the audience.
55:37
I mean, nobody gets away with this anymore. Of course, the audience
55:40
is eager to enter an entrance event because the entrances are getting more expensive and
55:45
we live with very tight pockets. That' s a starting point for the
55:52
whole thing about sold- out tickets. Looks like we' re missing something
55:55
that every time a sold out comes out and goes out there. As clear
55:59
as that is, they make it very clear. They' re telling us
56:01
that we' re out, that we' re not going in there,
56:07
so we' re like a choote of anxiety that comes from industry and industry,
56:13
because in industry we' re all actually in. So this is a
56:14
collective problem, where we all have to put our grain of sand, from
56:17
the largest to the smallest. Yes, we have said before that this pressure
56:21
is being transferred to musicians, that the excesses of the public, industry and
56:24
the press become the excesses of the musician and those who work for the music.
56:30
And what do we do with all this, Martha, Judith Paul,
56:36
for we must do something. What we are trying to do is to give
56:42
support, to demand resources, to try to give ourselves as far as we
56:49
can, and we are well becoming an association, because we are trying to
56:55
find solutions and put the issue on the table. I' m telling you,
56:57
with the singing of my song, people already know me a little bit.
57:00
Then I try to get to the sites. Organize when I' m
57:05
going to click somewhere, because I try to organize some talk and try to
57:08
move everything I can to get the topic known, put it on the table
57:12
and let people know that we exist and that they can ask us for help.
57:15
You know, we have an online support group, it' s a
57:20
website. Well, and the website is yet to do many more things.
57:22
We' re trying to get people to tell their story. We try to
57:25
have a podcast we' re giving voice to people who ask us to or.
57:30
I don' t know how we try to do things with the few
57:34
resources we have yet, but I' m telling you that we want to
57:39
get to do really important things associationism, as I said before see you Ayudith,
57:45
so do what you' re telling Marta, don' t throw away,
57:50
especially for the part of creating that community that currently doesn' t support
57:54
itself, and that we can offer that space, that safe space and that
57:58
meeting place and create network through the tools that we can offer. Well,
57:59
thank you because it was here today, in the Independent Republic, in meat
58:02
crosses a net. Here you know that you do not have what you need
58:06
and that you always want to spread your message. Marta, Judith, you
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don' t have a very strong hug at your disposal. Thank you and
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your Pablo, don' t go too far that we need to talk about
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using Corría after the C' s a male corcheta Madrid, quitar los consejeras
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del bpsia los manos jesus i responsibles biges vale s s S. S.
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S. S. SS. Wonderful, be nego agitators and mercies of the
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crispest underground post hardcore abrasive, a flurriagazo by open hand, with letters ranging
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from existential to social criticism, to the brand, but that also allows us
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some humorous releases. I laugh them a lot with that song. Specifically,
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and these dancengo rhythms also an angry energy that spills highly flammable electricity. How
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well you speak, eh worth me here concatenation, pour I with catenation.
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You' re being hit by clear TV spill, highly flammable electricity and all
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this contributes not only Pablo and the rest of the band also one of the
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members that is going to accompany us today,Álvaro Marcos, guitarist and voice
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to throw me iÁlvaro, raw days, one, two days, how
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you are delighted to have you here. What did you think of the talk
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we had with your partner and colleagues, because it was very necessary. The
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little piece I caught when I joined. I am very glad that there is
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a space to re- fuse all of this, because we need to go
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through it. I think very well we have come to talk about your book,
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sorry, about your album, this album that we have here on the
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table. Wonderful. I' m going back to the future, as Mr
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Sanabria used to say. The name Charnego is a re- appropriation of the
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linen or goes by the name of the pimp. Well, there' s
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a little bit of both. The word came already loaded series that is always
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good for a man no, but well, I think with some derogatory words
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it' s okay to give them the chance to have a second non-
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pejorative life. And some of that was and something was also that Charnego,
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actually, in origin is also the name of a type of dog. So,
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a little mix of races and nocturnal habits. Then it was going like
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the hair, the project and the members. Yes, so that he doesn
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' t know the origin of the word, if it' s what the
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French called the Spaniards like black dogs, street dogs, low- stoked people,
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and that in Catalonia has also remained as for those who come from outside,
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he hears if the industry were not enough. So hard to live off
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this and work on it. You guys lived in a different city, you
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pulled out the first ep in a pandemic, some step more than putting on
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how you can do it, how you do it all right, and you
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' ve got a rung left to climb safely, right, although it gives
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obstacles to put us, but it' s not that it works wrong.
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We' re working You think I have to see Pablo on the radio.
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Imagine, for example, a radio is with him. If you want to
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be here and don' t cut yourself. But how was a project born
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then with people so separated in space and good. Initially, I think we
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were all in Madrid. I think when it all started, we were sort
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of in Madrid. And then, for personal reasons And so,Álvaro lives
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in Barcelona and marked the drums in Castellón, we gather what we can and
1:01:45
compress the time. We' re composing you a little bit in the distance
1:01:49
and when we' re in the local, let' s say we take
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a lot of time. There as much as possible. Not without breathing almost
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to see if you' re going to cause trouble. Lus please, we
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have come to heal. Don' t get any stress on the lyrics.
1:02:04
He said before that there is backsliding, but there are also deep truths.
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If you laugh at the cove message any more, we have a motto that
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the letter with laughter comes in tail. It takes more kindness and laughter.
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I think we take boats at least seriously. In the music industry. Surely
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they are great lyricists and dedicate songs not only to the route of the ballazo,
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even to meetings as famous as enric Juliana in possible yes pia. I
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don' t think Juliana would ever have imagined her name by calling a song
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with a rhyme as intricate as this year of this Julian mons Bake, Julie
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Adam Odre by your face and such the most Italian, Chiara has eyes and
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ears in the living room of the lost pastures. Juliana is how the this
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in Chilena, a hair the context, a taga or that says that another
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the wrinkles destroyed in this ora Spain, a shit shines that says ona Rome
1:03:44
itself I saw this light Spain to see whose idea it was to make this
1:03:52
letter dedicated to enric Juliana. I' m interested in your not goodÁlvaro,
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which is a little true devotion. Licor drie, you call him Tertullian.
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Sorry, sorry, thinker, thinker, writer, pro- Spanish journalist.
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Well, we have to say that we have to thank him because he
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came to contact us as a result of this and he took it with a
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lot of humor and a lot of affection and almost a reward of the song
1:04:28
you usually had contact with him and certify that it is as close as we
1:04:32
suspected it was in the personal and how the child has taken it that a
1:04:35
song is subordinated to the child of milk. You don' t know that
1:04:43
anymore, waiting for the ma, I can give you a good clue where
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the fury that accompanies that laughter comes from. I think we' re all
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a little cool in the music and we wanted a little bit to do a
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project like this harder. And I think we all share also a little bit
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the message that we try to throw a little anger against the system, against
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me that I knowÁlvaro, I don' t know what we' re
1:05:12
going against, I tell you with everything, against everything you are all as
1:05:15
a sneeze no no, because against Juliana we' re not going to Julian.
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Of course it' s a beacon to see what we have, we
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have names and surnames in the letters. I mean, the Diana isn'
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t very diffuse, they' re still gonna squeal at us. I don
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' t know. I think we' re going to tell you that in
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our everyday reality you' re going through outrageous things that you give so many
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times that you have in your program and we just have in our songs,
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that there are plenty of reasons to be pissed off with so many things.
1:05:51
No, and I think that' s what it' s all about.
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Yes, because, just as Henrique Juliana' s back is caressed, they
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do not stop giving Fernando a good Rivals with an open hand. You'
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re a group that, by philosophy, doesn' t fit clearly into the
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commercial. In the underground you live better. Pablo. I believe that you
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can live well in mainstream ming the underground as long as there is collective mental
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health care for the other and that it is something that I think is more
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scarce in the mainstream, which are of more pasta. And you have also
1:06:34
followed a path that also reminded me, to which it is passing long ago
1:06:40
south park that are very hard bases, lots of energy, speed and letters
1:06:45
very ironic, sarcastic, even satirical. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
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think there might be a connection, no doubt. Without a doubt we live
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in the same environment and soaked with the same stimuli and I also share musical
1:07:01
influences, and that there could be similarities in the two groups. I agree,
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because nothing more pleasant than having so many good groups shoving good cane.
1:07:14
Today we wanted to throw negopolis is finally this program on mental health. Many
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do so by turning Bartleblee around in that famous phrase they' d rather do
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it. They would, they would prefer to do it so so, thank
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you for preferring the music and doing what you do thanks to you always thank
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you very much. Thank you, thank you very much. Thank you.
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Good for you, then, then, yeah, I work no gigs.
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After thank you. I love this song of action. This one would prefer
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to do it as a charneo, of course it does. I always think
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at the beginning of these programs with Mr Son, I would prefer not to
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do them, but in the end, it comes to show me that it
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is worth coming. Mr Son, they would open until never or until the
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coming month of three months. Well, we' re leaving because we have
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to put on that beautiful, beautiful and handsome. This afternoon we celebrate a
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party in this very studio with Alberto San Juan and some of those who have
1:09:12
contributed to making this Republic independent of the radio. If possible, yes,
1:09:15
sir will come part of the government of the Republic Minister councillors all that rock,
1:09:19
if all that rock that we had promised an opening clue, because we
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will do it as a family, with the family and tomorrow we will issue
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it for those who cannot be. And besides, so I can go to
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Malaga, where I am at the Centro Cultural La Mala Gueta, presenting my
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book that if I am on tour, well I look like a musician,
1:09:36
it will give me anxiety, I mean, every time we finish a program
1:09:39
you then tell where the yes go, of course, well, it'
1:09:42
s worth the same it' s the least clear that for them to go
1:09:44
to see me. Sure, sure, sure And if I have any anxiety
1:09:45
problems, because I call depression in the cabin or Pablo and you believe calling
1:09:49
him already because I' m calling you, I' m still calling at
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two o' clock or thank you, Wow, what a topic. I
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' m gonna pick my ears off the ground before I leave for Malaga at
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seven o' clock in the afternoon, the bad thing to say, more
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books. Thank you so much. Well, we' re leaving till tomorrow
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Health and Republic and have the radio with you.