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Ken Rosenthal's Inside Scoop: Mets trade assets available, Cardinals buy/sell, Adley Rutschman's future · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Inside Scoop here with Ken Rosenthal. Ken, before we get
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  Speaker 1: into baseball talk, I just want to know, are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna send.
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  Speaker 2: Me money for my phone bill?
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  Speaker 1: When you would not stop texting me and calling me
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  Speaker 1: when I was on family vacation over in Italy because
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  Speaker 1: you had to scoop everybody about the Pope. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Ken, can I tell you tomorrow? I was
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  Speaker 1: kind of intoxicated. I was sitting at a bar and
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  Speaker 1: the next thing you know, it's got to be now
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  Speaker 1: or else we're not running the story.
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  Speaker 2: AJ.
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  Speaker 3: That is actually an accurate portrayal of our conversation. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm amazed you admitted that. But I will now refer
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  Speaker 3: to you as your eminence because of course you now
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  Speaker 3: have this distinction of being the only member in the
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  Speaker 3: baseball community I believe to have met the Pope. And
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate you getting back to me. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: paying your phone bill. You got a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 3: Ken?
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  Speaker 1: You won't buy me dinner, you won't pay for my
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  Speaker 1: phone bill. It was like twenty minutes. You won't even
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  Speaker 1: buy me a drink. Can at least buy me a drink?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, after reading the pope. That's what we're reduced to.
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  Speaker 3: You're worried about me buy you a drink. I think
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  Speaker 3: you'd be above that by now. Did you meet any
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  Speaker 3: other dignitaries? Did you settle any other world problems while
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  Speaker 3: you were there?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, but I got to see Andrea Bocelli saying, which
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  Speaker 1: was kind of awesome, and uh, that's pretty cool San
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  Speaker 1: Marco Square in Venice, and just having to walk into it,
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  Speaker 1: it was, it was pretty awesome. So you know what
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  Speaker 1: it was. There was a fence, right and so I
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  Speaker 1: was standing on the steps behind the fence. You would
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  Speaker 1: have had to have gotten on my shoulders to see him,
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  Speaker 1: but I was tall enough to see over the fence
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  Speaker 1: for free.
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  Speaker 3: Well a j let me do this. Let me offer
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  Speaker 3: a public thanks for taking my call and answering the questions.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, you did not sound intoxicated. You were
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  Speaker 3: perfectly fine. So it was great. Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome. Ken, thank you, that's just a good man.
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  Speaker 4: Big wait, wait, before all this, before all this. First
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  Speaker 4: of all, Ken, he asked you for a free drink,
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  Speaker 4: and he said he didn't pay to watch a concert.
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  Speaker 2: What is the what are you like?
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  Speaker 4: Overarching like hey, da, are you cheap?
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  Speaker 2: People that know me will tell you I am not cheap.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I will do respect, all due respect to
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  Speaker 3: major leaguers. It seems like the motto of the entire
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  Speaker 3: sport is if it's free, it's me. I hear it
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  Speaker 3: all the time from guys. So AJ is simply acting
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  Speaker 3: the way a lot of people act.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, The motto is if it's free, I'll take three.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So you speaking of people, speak speaking of people that
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of money. The Mets they have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money. Stevie Cohen, David Stearns, they have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money. What are they gonna do with the
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  Speaker 1: trade deadline? We were just talking about this, Freddy Parolta
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  Speaker 1: is a possibility, Luke Weaver, Boba Shitt. Where do the
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  Speaker 1: Mets stand in the trade deadline?
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  Speaker 3: Clearly they're going to be sellers. They've already sold in
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  Speaker 3: a sense by trading David Peterson to the Cubs and
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  Speaker 3: Will Samon of The Athletic had an interesting story yesterday
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  Speaker 3: kind of outlining the different possibilities, and one thing that
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  Speaker 3: stood out to me was this idea of trading Francisco
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  Speaker 3: Alvarez now catchers at the deadline are difficult to trade sometimes,
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  Speaker 3: though you guys know this from playing all these years.
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  Speaker 3: The adaptation to a new staff can be difficult, but
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  Speaker 3: it's not an insurmountable thing. So they're going to trade. Certainly,
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  Speaker 3: they're two left handed relievers, Brooks Rally and aj Minter
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  Speaker 3: both are potential free agents. As you guys were discussing
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  Speaker 3: in the previous segment, they're going to trade Peralta and
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna have to hope he starts pitching better than
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  Speaker 3: he has. Bobachhett, I can't see it. Why would any
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  Speaker 3: team take on the risk that he opts in at
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  Speaker 3: forty two million a year for the next two years.
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  Speaker 3: You'd like that to happen. I guess if you're getting
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  Speaker 3: the good, Bobashett, but there are very few teams that
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  Speaker 3: would even entertain the idea. There are others as well
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  Speaker 3: that I'm sure they will listen on it. I think
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  Speaker 3: they will listen on everyone. They have to listen on everyone.
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  Speaker 3: And don't forget Clay Holmes coming off the injured list,
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  Speaker 3: potential free agent, and he's certainly someone who will attract attention.
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  Speaker 4: Is there hurdles that he needs to get through for
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  Speaker 4: the Mets to extract the amount of value that if
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  Speaker 4: he is hot, if he was one hundred percent healthy
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  Speaker 4: and he's had the numbers that he had for the
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  Speaker 4: last year and a half, he would be the largest
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  Speaker 4: piece or the most enviable piece from other teams. Is
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  Speaker 4: there a hurdle that he needs to get across or
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  Speaker 4: is it like a Shane Bieber type of thing where
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  Speaker 4: they're like, hey, we know what we're gonna get once
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  Speaker 4: he's healthy.
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  Speaker 3: I am sure that teams will be monitoring his rehab
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  Speaker 3: closely as we get closer to the deadline. It's inevitable
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  Speaker 3: that they will do that. That's what teams did with
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  Speaker 3: Bieber last year. You remember he was pitching well on
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  Speaker 3: his rehab assignment and that of course increased the value
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  Speaker 3: and the Blue Jays made that deal. This is, as
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned, Eric, the same kind of scenario, and I
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  Speaker 3: expect that, Yes, as long as he's coming along, well
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  Speaker 3: he'll be moved.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, Ken, what about Sorry?
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  Speaker 1: I was watching Argentina give up another goal again, so sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I was a little bit distracted right there.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: If you have the eminence, you can do whatever you want. True,
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  Speaker 1: that's a great point after USA is disappointing performance. Ken,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you stayed up late to watch last night,
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  Speaker 1: but the Mets are a team that are so interesting
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  Speaker 1: to me. And I saw somewhere today where someone said
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  Speaker 1: Francisco Lindor could be on the block. Is there any
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  Speaker 1: way in hell that they would move Lindor? Would they
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  Speaker 1: be able to do this at the trade deadline?
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  Speaker 3: I don't see it. And the one person who reported
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  Speaker 3: it was Mike Francessa, the radio talk show host in
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  Speaker 3: New York. With all due respect to Mike, he is
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  Speaker 3: not a Beat reporter, and I have not seen any
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  Speaker 3: of this from any of the Beat reporters. I have
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  Speaker 3: not heard it myself. If anything, as Will Salmon wrote
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  Speaker 3: last week, the situation between Lindor and Juan Soto is
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  Speaker 3: better than it was last year. At least that's what
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  Speaker 3: they're saying now. Maybe it's this great, big cover and
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  Speaker 3: ultimately they're going to have to do something. And at
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  Speaker 3: the start of the year, when this was stillingering, I
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  Speaker 3: thought it was possible that Lindor could be this year's
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  Speaker 3: Ralphield Devers. But if indeed he's getting along better with Soto,
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  Speaker 3: I don't see it happening, and it would be also
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  Speaker 3: potentially more of an off season move if it did so.
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  Speaker 3: Aj you know this and Eric you know this too.
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  Speaker 3: You can't rule out anything entirely at this time of
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  Speaker 3: year because crazy things will happen. I say it all
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  Speaker 3: the time. Things will happen that will make our head spin.
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  Speaker 3: But this one, to me seemed like a bit of
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  Speaker 3: a reach.
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  Speaker 4: David Stearns was given the dreaded vote of confidence last
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  Speaker 4: week from Stevie Cohen, the owner, but he's still there.
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  Speaker 4: Is there a chance that we're just talking about all
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  Speaker 4: this it's really just going to be anybody on expiring contracts,
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  Speaker 4: and there's nothing big that the Mets are gonna do.
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  Speaker 4: Because Stevie Cohen's trusting in David Sterns process, which can't
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  Speaker 4: be just a one year turnaround, even though he did
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  Speaker 4: so many crazy things.
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  Speaker 3: It's certainly possible that they limit this to expiring contracts.
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  Speaker 3: But even if they do that, they can do a lot.
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  Speaker 3: We mentioned Peralta and Holmes and Minter and Rally. Those
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  Speaker 3: guys all will have different levels of value, but they'll
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  Speaker 3: have value. Now, do you extend it a little further?
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  Speaker 3: To do Luke Weaver, who is under control for next year.
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  Speaker 3: That depends on how they see themselves, and it also
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  Speaker 3: depends on the offers they get, because with any player,
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  Speaker 3: virtually any player, if you get enough, you'll trade them,
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  Speaker 3: and that's kind of the way the game works. So
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  Speaker 3: I would not be surprised if they just did, for
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  Speaker 3: the most part, expiring contracts. But I also would not
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  Speaker 3: be surprised if they extended it and did trades along
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  Speaker 3: the lines of Weaver. Wouldn't have to be Weaver, it
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't have to be Francisco Alvarez. But perhaps it's someone else,
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  Speaker 3: maybe that we're not seeing. Who knows, Maybe one of
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  Speaker 3: their younger pitchers, not becclaim, but maybe one of the
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  Speaker 3: other ones.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Kim.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get to more trades and more names on
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  Speaker 1: the trade block, I also saw where Carlos Beltron is
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  Speaker 1: back is the favorite to be the Mets manager. Andy
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  Speaker 1: Green is there on an interim. I got to talk
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  Speaker 1: to him on Saturday. He's kind of in limbo. He
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  Speaker 1: was the director of something, senior vice president of baseball
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  Speaker 1: some yeah, okay, yeah, he had a fancier title than that,
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  Speaker 1: but farm director is right. Would Carlos Beltron after they
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  Speaker 1: hired and fired him after the whole Astros thing. Would
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  Speaker 1: he be the right choice you think for him to
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  Speaker 1: take over after all that that he went through already?
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  Speaker 3: In my opinion, they need more experience. They need someone
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  Speaker 3: who can come in and who has done the job
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  Speaker 3: before and can walk into that clubhouse, handle New York,
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  Speaker 3: handle everything that comes with being the Mets manager. Now,
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  Speaker 3: Carlos Beltron certainly has played for the Mets and certainly
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  Speaker 3: is familiar with New York. He's also played for the Yankees.
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  Speaker 3: My concern with Carlos would be he's never managed before.
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  Speaker 3: He's never even coached before. Now he's been kind of
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  Speaker 3: a it's bering training instructor certainly as players, but that
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  Speaker 3: to me, in New York, where the scrutiny is greater
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  Speaker 3: than it is in most markets, that to me would
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  Speaker 3: be dangerous and the last thing they need at this
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  Speaker 3: point is a risky higher. Now you might ask, well,
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  Speaker 3: who's the right guy. I'm not sure. David Ross is
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  Speaker 3: out there, Brandon Hyatt is out there. There are others
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  Speaker 3: as well that they could look out. Rock o'beldelli would
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  Speaker 3: be one again, I'm not sure, but Beltron being the
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  Speaker 3: favorite ag. I'm not sure where you're getting this from,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Not Twitter, Ken, Twitter, Ken, Twitter, It's on Twitter. It's true.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yes, sir, your eminence.
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  Speaker 2: It's on Twitter. Ken. I can't argue with it, all right.
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  Speaker 1: If only the head buck Showalter to manage Oh wait,
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  Speaker 1: sorry that ship sail.
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  Speaker 3: But Showalter, in my opinion, would be the way to go. Now.
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  Speaker 3: It wouldn't be him, They're not going to go there again.
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  Speaker 3: But someone with a little bit of gravitas to him,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of juice, a little bit of been there,
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  Speaker 3: done that, Maybe that would be the right way to go.
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  Speaker 4: No, We're we're gonna we're gonna go to the We're
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  Speaker 4: gonna go to the NL Central here so to me.
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  Speaker 4: One of the names that is intriguing to me, but
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  Speaker 4: I know everyone's looking for right handed, out out hitting
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  Speaker 4: outfielders is Lars Newpar. Lars Newpar has been bantered about
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  Speaker 4: as the Cardinals. Nobody can have him now. Possibly he's
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  Speaker 4: getting older, he's got one more year after this year,
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  Speaker 4: before arbitrayed or before free agency. Is there a chance
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  Speaker 4: there's a good market out there for him? A guy
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  Speaker 4: with only two home runs so far, this year.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he only has two runs because he just came
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  Speaker 3: back a couple of weeks ago from the heel surgeries,
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  Speaker 3: both heels that he had operated on. So he's a
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  Speaker 3: left handed hitter, and yes, the demand from right handed
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  Speaker 3: hitters is greater. And the Cardinals are in a really
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  Speaker 3: interesting situation because he is a leader in their clubhouse
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  Speaker 3: and they're playing really well. They're essentially in a playoff
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  Speaker 3: position right now, so from that perspective, you would think, nah,
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  Speaker 3: not a great idea to trade him. And the other
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  Speaker 3: thing that goes with that is you want this young
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  Speaker 3: team to be playing meaningful games in September, and if
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  Speaker 3: you trade Newt Bar you're taking something away. Now I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what you're getting back. And if you're getting
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  Speaker 3: back a starting pitcher, at least someone with control, then
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  Speaker 3: if you're the Cardinals, you have to look at it.
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  Speaker 3: But it's going to be an interesting one because remember
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  Speaker 3: they traded Brendan Donovan when he was a leader of
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  Speaker 3: the team, and of course well entrenched there, but that
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  Speaker 3: was the off season. They weren't playing any games. Then
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  Speaker 3: now they're playing games, they're playing games rather well, and
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  Speaker 3: they're in the middle of course, right now with a
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  Speaker 3: big series with Milwaukee. But to trade him off of
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  Speaker 3: this team, a team that has surprised virtually everyone in
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  Speaker 3: the sport, that would be more difficult to do than
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  Speaker 3: trading Donovan was in the middle of the offseason.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Ken, before I ask, it was a
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  Speaker 1: fellow i'll be insider on foul territory, Bob Nightingale that
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  Speaker 1: reported Carlos Beeltron. So I know you guys, you insiders
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  Speaker 1: have little battles that you fight. But it was Bob Nightingale,
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  Speaker 1: So you owe Bob an apology. Ken, you can go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and give it now.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Bob is right. I don't know. I just don't
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  Speaker 3: see it that way.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair, that's fair.
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  Speaker 1: But don't question my sources, Ken, A good newsman never
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  Speaker 1: reveals the sources. Okay, yes, all right, but you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals in Lars new part. But Dustin May has
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  Speaker 1: been bantered around to you. I know he's on a
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  Speaker 1: one year too. But the Cardinals are in this. They're
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  Speaker 1: a half game out of the wild Card. They're right there.
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  Speaker 1: What they really do this? Would Hein Blum really make
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  Speaker 1: a move to do something like this, even though they
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  Speaker 1: have a chance, and there's actually excitement again in Saint Louis, AJ.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you can make that kind of move and get
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  Speaker 3: something back that will help you right now. Doesn't necessarily
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  Speaker 3: mean you're giving up on the season. It depends what
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  Speaker 3: you're getting back and what we might see in this
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  Speaker 3: particular deadline with so many teams bunched together, is need
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  Speaker 3: for need type trades involving major league players. So let's
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  Speaker 3: say you're the Cardinals, and I'll use Newt bar because
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  Speaker 3: I think he's a better example. The Cardinals do need
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  Speaker 3: to keep their pitching intact, in my opinion, nukepar can
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  Speaker 3: bring you a starter, as I mentioned, or maybe bullpen help,
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  Speaker 3: whatever the case might be. Guys that can help you
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  Speaker 3: or one player that can help you right now, and
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  Speaker 3: maybe it is under control. Yeah, then you consider that
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  Speaker 3: if you believe in the end your twenty six man
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  Speaker 3: roster is an even better place for this year and
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  Speaker 3: next year are in going forward. So yes, these are
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  Speaker 3: not outrageous thoughts to ponder with the Cardinals or any
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  Speaker 3: other team for that matter, because of the nature of
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  Speaker 3: the races right now then, being as close as they are,
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  Speaker 3: so many teams feeling they are in it. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: might see Major leaguers from Major leaguers go.
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  Speaker 4: You said on Fair Territory that the Brewers owe it
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: to themselves too, and then you kind of like looked
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: around make a move.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Because I said in the offseason, I said, I think
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: this is the year they should have kept Peralta before
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: they traded them and gone after Schooble and had a
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: year of Freddy Peralta and Trek Schooble for the entire season.
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  Speaker 4: Because to me, they're not going for the playoffs. There's
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: either a move that helps him win the World Series
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: or don't make any moves. But what were you talking about?
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Basically that that they're in a position now where they're
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: coming up a year when they won ninety seven games,
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: made it to the NLCS and got swept by the Dodgers,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: had a great year, got swept by a team that
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: was playing at an absolute peak level. It's not because
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers had more money, they were just playing better
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: at the time. The Brewers are really good. So you're
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: the Brewers this year, You've got a similar type team,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: at least in terms of its quality, not the same
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: players of course, and you have a chance maybe to
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: do something special in the postseason and maybe go a
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: little bit further. You also have a great farm system,
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  Speaker 3: the highliest, the highest rated farm system in the game
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  Speaker 3: right now. In fact, they have multiples at certain positions
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  Speaker 3: in fielders for instance. So why not take a shot
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  Speaker 3: at it. It's not their way. We know that, we
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: know the Brewers are a team that thrives even after
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: they subtract, so why should they necessarily go add But
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, yes, this is the time for them
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: and these chances to whin. You guys know this, they're precious.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: And the Brewers, who knows where they'll be next year
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: or the year after that, But here they are now,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: they're in this great spot. They probably will be in
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: great spots going forward because of what I just mentioned
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: the system. So you take a little bit away from
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: that system to help you now doesn't have to be schooble.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: There are any number of ways they can go. They
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: could use a left side infielder, they could use probably
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: some bullpen depth, maybe a starting pitcher as well. Anything
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: that they do to supplement themselves would be the right thing.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: To do, and they should not simply stand pat They
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: should go for it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Great agree, not School, but another Tiger. Let's talk about
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: a couple other Tigers that have been rumored. Clavor Torres,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: he can play third base for the Brewers if they
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: needed him to. He's done it before, right or Casey Mees.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Are the Tigers so far out of it that School's
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: not the only name they would think about trying to move.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Would they possibly think about moving to Torres, who's on
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: expiring contract? Casey Mice, who's pitching really well? Would they
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: think about making some other moves to build for the future.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: If they sell, those two guys will be in play.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Both are on expiring contracts. The question is still will
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: they sell now? When there were sixteen games under five hundred,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: twenty two and thirty eight, I wrote that's it, They're
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: gonna sell. They should sell because even with expanded playoffs,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: no team sixteen under has ever come back and made
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: the postseason. Okay, since then, they're eighteen and twelve. This
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: was starting June first. They are so or to back
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: in this thing. They've got the fifth best run differential
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: in the league. Even after all the bad things that
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: happened earlier, and in the wildcard race they're five back.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: So if you're the Tigers, you're looking at this and
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: you want this to play out more, you're certainly not
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: making any decisions today. I still don't see it with them.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: It's going to be really hard for them to keep
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: up the pace that they're going to need to play
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: at all season without margin for era. But in the
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: AL Central which is weak, in the American League, which
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: is weak, is it possible that they surge here? I
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: had a GM tell me yesterday he thinks that's going
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: to happen, and ultimately they end up keeping their guys.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: So we've got nearly a month to the deadline. AJ
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: and I would say that they're not in a position
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: yet where they're deciding anything. They want to see how
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: this plays out, all right.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Michael Lias said that they do not want to trade
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Adlie Rutchman. We want him to be here forever. Is
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: that almost like an ultimatum comment, like, hey, we're going
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: to give you an extension or this would be the
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: time that we trade him, Because isn't that essentially where
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: the ORG is with Basaio that is possibly there for well,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: it's going to be there for a long time, but
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: could possibly be their catcher.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Well, Adlie Rushman has one more year of club control
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: remaining after this one, so you have to entertain the
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: question at least of what our future is if you're
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: the Oriols with Adlie Rushman, no question about that. If
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: you're going to sign him to an extension, it's not
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: going to be a five year deal or a six
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: year deal. It's going to have to be longer than that.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: He's going to want to be essentially a lifetime Oriol.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe the Oriols want to do that, maybe they don't.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: If they don't want to do that, then they should
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: be at least open to the idea of a trade. Now,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: maybe wouldn't happen necessarily this season, Maybe it happens in
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: the off season when he has one year of control left.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: But you can't simply let this play out and have
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: him walk at the end of next year, assuming we
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: have next year, and just say Okay, that's it. That's
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: not the way to go. It's extension or trade at
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: some point. And this is what we've talked about actually
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: in the past at school. Should have been extension or
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: trade with him earlier, so they could have maxed out
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: their value.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: They didn't do that.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, understandable, you've got the best pitcher in the sport,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: but that's the decision. Ultimately, the Oriels are going to face.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: The problem I see Ken before we let you go,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: is that no team has two catchers on deals like that.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: So you got most teams have one who's their primary
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: catcher and if it catches one hundred or so games,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: sometimes one hundred and ten, whatever, and then they have
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: their backup catcher. Now guys are starting to get paid
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: a little bit better to be that guy that catches
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: fifty or sixty games. So you can Oriels afford to
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: have Pasio and then sign Adlete to the deal he's
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: gonna want. That just doesn't seem likely in the way
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: that the game is paying.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Keep in mind, keep in mind you have a d position,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: and also Besio plays for a space and one other point.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Aj your essential point is correct, You're right, teams generally
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: don't pay two catchers, but you have the other positions available.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: And also Basio's deal it's eight years, sixty seven million.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: It's essentially a deal that covers him through his arbitration
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: years and I'm not sure how many free agent years
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I guess two. So it's not an oppressive deal by
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: any stretch of the imagination. In fact, assuming he stays healthy,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: the Oils are going to win on that deal because
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: it's relatively affordable. So that should not preclude them from
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: wanting to keep another really good player, a guy who,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: by the way, was the number one overall pick in
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: the draft over Bobby Wick Junior. And that is a
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: factor in all this as well. He is their guy.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, but you know, tell that eight year
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: sixty seven isn't a lot to the Marlins.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: No doubt.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Don't tell him that that luck man. Just just go
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: for it. By the way, before we let you go,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: how was that rain delay on Saturday? We really enjoyed
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: going to one hundred percent of the country, So thank
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you for letting me go to one hundred percent of
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the country on Saturday.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Well, your eminence, it is a situation where the country
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: needs to hear what you have to say.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Especially since we got we got to get the pope
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: stuff in, we got to get sales debut in with
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: me catch I mean there was it worked out perfectly, Ken,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: So see, this is what happens when you're in touch
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: with higher powers, Ken, they do things to help their
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: friends out.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: See, I can't question it anymore. You bet the Pope
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: you gave him a baseball. I mean, there's nothing I could.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Say for rain in Chicago.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: He prayed for rain in Chicago, by the way, just
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: so that I could get that extra fog.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: And oh the fog was nasty.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I was watching that game after our game was over,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: like two hours later, and you can barely see the outfield.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: And there's no way they saw you in the in
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the dugout.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: No, they didn't see me in the dugout.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, Ken, thank you, have a great week.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: We will talk to you on Friday.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Again, Yes, sir, thank you. I appreciate it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I won't, but someone won't, So thank you. FT Insider
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal. Have a great week, Ken, and we'll talk
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to you on Friday.
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: Thanks AJ