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2026 Week 9: Ashton Jeanty Panic and the Ravens Mess (Upper Hand Fantasy Show) · Upper Hand Fantasy

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: What's up guys?
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Upper Hand Fantasy Show.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Zach.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm here with Faraz Sudiki.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_01: It is week nine.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're halfway through the fantasy football season.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, where did the time go?
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, hopefully you're winning.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully you're five, six wins so far, and you're not stuck with one or two wins or you're not dealing with too many injuries.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: But halfway point, this is kind of when you got to start making decisions about your team.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: And are you just trying to make the playoffs?
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: Are you already in the playoffs?
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: Are you trying to avoid being in the toilet bowl for your league?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's a lot of stuff going on right now.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think there are a lot of people out here that they just don't want to be last and they don't want to face the punishment, whatever it is.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: In our league, uh the loser has to have dinner with a blow up doll.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: We've already had a few memes in the chat about Hassan is gonna be, you know, doing some extracurriculars with that blow up doll.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's been it's been a little a little dirty.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: A little dirty.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that there were extracurriculars.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was just dinner for us.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I thought.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: But I guess I guess some people are uh taking some liberties here.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: I maybe they'll enjoy it.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, I mean Kat, he might be tanking for it.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: Hey man, cat, by the way, he runs catch the blitz on Instagram.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like he I don't know if he knows ball, to be honest with you, man.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta say, um we're already we're already starting this talking shit, uh, you know, which I love.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, man, like if you're the top six in your league, usually it's the top six who make the playoffs, right?
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: In fantasy football, uh, whether it's a 10-team or 12-team league, you know, you could be there already.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: You could be kind of like, you know, on in on the bubble, but this is not the point yet where even if you're like two wins in, three wins in, like, this is not the point yet where you start to forget about it.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: You forgot to tank, you start to tank, you start to, you know, just give up, give up.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like you cannot give up yet.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: This is not the time.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: So we still have a couple weeks left.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: We still have a few more weeks to make that push.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: Anything can happen.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen crazy things happen.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: I've had some like losing records in the in the past and snuck my way into the playoffs and won championships.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we still have some time.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: You might be a waiver wire pick away, you might be a trade away, uh, you might be an injury away.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: You have some, you know, really good bench player like uh Emmett Johnson or someone like that on your bench, and you just never know, right?
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: You just never know.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: So let's get right to it, man.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Week nine is here.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's a lot going on.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: So let's get to it.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, number one, and you know, maybe this is just the Cowboys fan in me because I'm just still getting over the trauma of what happened last week against the Cowboys.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: But Gardner Minshew came in and pulled a Jacoby Brissett.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: He said that when we were doing the notes.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: He said, like, is Gardner Minshew gonna do what Jacoby Brissett did last year, where he's just gonna come in and be this super high volume, you know, high fantasy point total guy for Michael Wilson and Trey McBride.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: Is he gonna save their seasons?
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's what he did coming in last week.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: He came in, it was the end of the third quarter, and Dallas was up like 10.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: And to that point, the Cardinals had nothing going on in offense.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: He comes in, he leads four touchdown drives on five of his total drives that they played, one of them in overtime.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: Before that, Michael Wilson, he literally had six points.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: Trey McBride had four points.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: They finished with 26 and 20 points after one quarter with Gardner Minshew.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: Now, granted, this was a Cowboys defense.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: But Gardner Minshew came in right away and he was just giving the targets to the guys who we wanted to get the targets.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: How are you feeling about this Cardinals offense moving forward with Gardner Minshew?
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, not that much different.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because I just we've seen this story before with Gardner Minshew, and a lot of these type of quarterbacks, they provide a little bit of a spark.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Jacoby Brissett, same thing.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: Gardner Minshew, we've seen it with from like guys like Joe Flacco, Jameis Winston, like these veterans who are not starters for a reason, right?
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: And and and unfortunately, you know, and I hate to burst beep anyone's bubble who has Michael Wilson or Trey McBride.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I am not convinced that Gardner Minshew is just gonna save this season.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: We have to remember that this was the Cowboys defense, right?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, right?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: This is your Cowboys, man.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: And there are a lot of quarterbacks who can come in.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: Gardener Minscher is a veteran.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so is Jacoby Brissett, but he was struggling in this game, man.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like he he was struggling to the point where I was like really surprised.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think I called him a safe start going into the week.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and he was exactly not that.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: And now Gardner Minshew comes in.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what we'd love to see is him giving the ball to the guys that we want him to target, right?
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's what we need to see, right?
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: So there is some hope when it comes to that.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: So he is gonna target Trey McBride, he is gonna target Michael Wilson.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's what you want to see.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: He is a starter going into next week.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but the matchups aren't gonna be as good.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't think you get a whole lot better than the Cowboys.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right, exactly.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: And they were listening Dallas had Jacoby Brissett's number for whatever reason.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that was one of the weirdest things I think that we saw.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: The Cardinals were getting banged up left and right.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like Jeremiah Love left the game right away.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: Bam Knight literally got decapitated by DeMarvin Overshawn.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you saw that.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: That was just like, holy crap.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then after that, Dallas couldn't do anything on defense.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like Tyler Algier was probably 20 yards a touch, it felt like.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that's another thing, right?
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I was watching a couple things, you know, this week, and everyone's talking about how Tyler Algier is like the must pickup of the week.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I just I just don't see that like the same way.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, again, Cowboys defense, right?
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: He was he was so inefficient this entire year outside of this game.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: He got the touches, but he only got the touches because obviously Jeremiah Love got hurt, and also Bam Knight got concussed.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: But before Bam Knight got concussed, he was leading the backfield ahead of Tyler Algier.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: So if Algier, like this week, sure, but if I'm not mistaken, they're going against Seattle.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's a tough matchup.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: So if he's the guy and he's the workhorse and the bell call against Seattle, sure.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: He is startable because of the role.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: But would you expect him to be efficient in this game?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: And also, what if Bam Knight clears the concussion protocol?
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: So we're recording this on Wednesday morning, right?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um very early.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, most of the time players do miss a game when they get concussed on Sunday and they play the following Sunday, uh, but sometimes they don't.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes they clear the concussion protocol.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: So if you see a limited practice on today on Wednesday or on Thursday, there's gonna be a chance that Bam Knight plays, and there's gonna be a chance that he plays ahead of Tyler Algier, as he has been since Jeremiah Love got hurt and he's been missing games.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: So a little bit of a risky pick here, honestly.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, unfortunately, Algier came into the season as like the handcuff, like one of the top handcuffs.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: And unfortunately, this happens more often than you think, where the guy who you think is gonna get all the snaps and play a workhorse role, play a bell car role, he ends up sharing the workload.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: And unfortunately, you know, bam knight might end up being the right pickup.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: So if Knight is available on your waiver wire, he might be somebody that, you know, is a sneaky pickup because he probably is available on a lot of waiver wires right now.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh because even if he doesn't play this week, he could be the starter next week and for until Jeremiah Love is back.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't think that's too crazy to say because literally, like you said, he was playing ahead of Tyler Algier.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Now Jeremiah Love, he's on IR.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like that ankle injury, like he's out for at least the next four games.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: It could be like the rest of the year.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows if they bring him back if he ever comes in and gets that role that we wanted to?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's just been like a really tough season for him.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like we had high hopes for him.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: I had high hopes for him, especially, because you know, a running back gets drafted that high, you expect him to play very well.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: He just hasn't been available.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: So that's tough for him.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: But like you're saying, with Jeremiah Laval, like and Bam Knight, the way he was playing over Tyler Algier, there's no way we can expect Tyler Algier to just have this role the rest of the way.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: When I was doing the notes, I was putting the word that I kept throwing around every time I do notes for Tyler Algier was just rental.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: One week.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably what it's gonna be.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't think, like, you don't think Bam Knight's gonna miss more than one week.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, no, I don't think that would be the same.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's a concussion.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: At most, he'll miss a week.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I think at this point we have to expect that he's going to be coming back.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm starting Bam Knight once he's back, right?
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: Just based on what we've seen.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if Tyler Algier comes out and just crushes Seattle's defense for whatever reason, then maybe we could have a conversation about okay, he's looking that good.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: You can't look away from the two games that he's had, but he still has to play Seattle.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's a much tougher matchup.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: I would imagine they're gonna be down.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: The game script might be working their way.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: He did run a lot of routes last week, but that was just because there was literally nobody else in that backfield.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, just the Cardinals' offense with Gardner Minche, it's probably gonna be more of the same.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's the bottom line, but it is exciting.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: So the Cardinals' backfield is obviously gonna be a little frustrating, but I think I can name one that's a little bit even more frustrating.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, the most frustrating thing.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: Probably to come out of week eight last week.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: What are we doing with this Raiders backfield?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like Mike Washington comes out of nowhere and just is the guy.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: And we know Ash and Genty said some stuff about the Jets defense.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, some guys don't want to tackle.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: There were some comments.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: Clint Kubiak said this split in the workload had nothing to do with it.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: But if you had Ashen Genty, you saw he had two carries.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Mike Washington had 25.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now, Ashton Genty did end up outscoring Mike Washington in fancy, which is pretty hilarious because you know he hardly played a role.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: He had the passing down role, and he ended up doing better than Mike Washington.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: But still, this type of pivot, that's a red flag, like probably the biggest red flag you can have, especially given Clint Kubiak's history of using two running backs.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: What are we thinking?
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: What's what's happening moving forward?
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting to me because this was something that low-key we saw coming a little bit.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Mike Washington was more efficient than Ash and Genty in the run game.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's an argument to be made that he fits Kubiak's offense better.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Kubiak didn't draft Ash and Gensy.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Ashen Genty was not somebody who you say, like, okay, this guy fits the outside zone scheme really well.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like Mike Washington is somebody who can hit the hole.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's like this one cut runner.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: He can hit once he hits the hole, he is out.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: And we saw it a couple times this season, and we saw it in the preseason too.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: So this is not a surprise.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, over the last even last few weeks, obviously Mike Washington got banged up the week prior, but before that, we saw him getting some work.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: And a couple weeks ago, Clint Kubiak was asked in his press conference after the game, did Mike Washington earn more carries?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Did he earn more work?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Yes, absolutely.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: So this is not coming out of like complete left field.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the split, you know, is kind of crazy, right?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like the split 25 opportunities to only six opportunities for Genty.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, obviously, most of Genty's opportunities came in the receiving game, and that's gonna be his calling card.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like his role is basically like a like, which is crazy, a poor man's Rashad White, which is insane uh to say like it's talking about the same thing to say.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, at the end of the day, man, like if you think about it, you look at Ash and Genty's career so far.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't think anybody who's watched Ash and Genty can say that like he's this, you know, generational back or somebody who like really deserves all the touches.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think he is a product of volume and he has been a product of volume, unfortunately.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: And coming into this year, uh there were some red flags with Genty, but at the end of the day, I do think that this is something that's gonna stick.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think Mike Washington coming in and being the basically the roles switched.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Mike Washington was the primary early down back.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: He is gonna be the primary, but he is the he was the primary ball carrier, and then Genty is basically the guy who's gonna be you know running a lot of routes, getting those catches, and he's basically a high floor PPR back at this point, yeah, with Mike Washington being the primary back.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I do think that this is going to continue.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you know, everyone's talking about oh, is he gonna see 25 carries every week or not?
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's a different story.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I I think they he saw 25 carries because the game script allowed them, allowed him to get those amount of carries, but I think the split is going to be to the point where Washington remains the primary ball carrier.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because is there an actual reason to put Genty back in there when he's been so inefficient the entire year?
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, that's the question.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: And you talk about like, are we talking about Ashton Genty as like the scat back now?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: I did a little research coming into this, and I compared statistically, using fantasy points data, they have awesome stuff, by the way.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: 100% go check them out because they have so much information.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: I compared Ashton Genty's season statistically to historic seasons, and three of the top five most similar seasons were Alvin Kamara in 2021, 2022, and 2023.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's just the passing down work, the receiving game work that's getting him his volume.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and his production.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: He had that one big game in week one, and then since then he's been pretty quiet.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: And granted, he's been coming through, he hasn't been completely hanging out to dry, but that just speaks to like, okay, he hasn't been efficient in the run game.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: And Clint Kuviak, he's not a guy who's gonna keep giving the ball to somebody if they're not efficient.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like he actually does pay attention to that.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: We see that with Mike Washington getting all these carries.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think the question everybody has, and I even brought this up while we were doing the research, I said, is the pendulum going to swing back to Ashton Genty?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Or are we just kind of gonna be stuck in the middle?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Is this the next Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet situation?
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what a lot of people are afraid of.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is Ashton Genty about to turn into the next Seahawks Kenneth Walker?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think no, because Kenneth Walker was just more talented.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think Kenneth.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think Kenneth Walker was just a better running back, and the splits were a lot closer.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, where there wasn't any like clear roles, like where Sharp Charbonnet was actually getting more work, you know, as a receiver, uh, at least in the role.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't getting a ton of targets, but he was playing that role where he was on the field uh on third down, in on passing downs, two minutes, that that type of situation, Charbonnet was that guy.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: And the splits overall were a lot closer.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Where I think here there's a little bit more of a clear definition of what the roles are gonna be, where you have one early down guy and then you have a passing down guy.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's what it's gonna be the rest of the way, unfortunately.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think one of the most alarming things too was coming into this game last week, Ash and Gente had 82% of the goal line carries.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: Mike Washington had six goal line carries in one game.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: In one game, but he he he didn't convert on any.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, he didn't, he didn't, but that's like true.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is that seems like Ash and Gente's in the doghouse right now?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he didn't get any of those carries after having them all season.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: That was one of the most alarming things because that's where you're gonna make your money.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna be at the goal line getting those carries.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Ash and Genty didn't take a single one.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: If that continues, is in code red.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I yeah, it's code red right now, dude.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like it is literally code red right now.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like Ash and Genty, he's not gonna be in my top 20 running backs this week.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's just unfortunate.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, can he be a top 24 PPR back?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's I think that's very possible given the state of like running back situation right now.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: But is he gonna be ranked above Mike Washington?
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Probably in PPR leagues, but in half PPR, you know, non-PPR, if you're if you're a psycho, um, you know, you could, you know, I think there's an argument to be made where Mike Washington's probably the better start right now.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah um one one interesting thing going back to the draft, right?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: When Mike when Ash Genty was coming out, right, you have this quote unquote generational back.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: The one red flag that we brought up was what?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Non-power five.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Non-power five.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: He was a G he was a G4 player.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't want to bring that up, but now we're bringing it in.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I just I gotta bring it up because when you are so efficient and this and this and the stats pop off the sheet and you're like, oh my god, look at this guy.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: You hard to have to contact.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Insane.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, missed tackles force per attempt, insane, oh my god.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: But like, look at the competition.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: The competition was non-power five, non-power four competition.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: So that's something we have to take into account, man, when we're evaluating these running backs, because Genty, since he's joined the league, he has not been that guy.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Jeremiah Love played in the power four.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's a completely different situation.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: You have to evaluate them very differently.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Jameer Gibbs, all like B.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: John Robinson, all these guys who were drafted, you know, uh, you know, in the first round, top 10, like those guys are way more likely to succeed in the NFL when they're efficient in the power four, you know.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: And who was the power four back who was drafted with Ash and Genty, who was the I guess second most efficient behind Ash and Genty in his draft class?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: Bascial Tutin.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: He was number two in Miss Tackles forced per attempt.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: Cam Scadabo was also there.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Cam Store was right there too.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: If he didn't get injured, I would argue that he would be there.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: He was right there too.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but again, like that's that's one of those things.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Miss Tackles force per 10, Bascial Tutin took it.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yards after content per attempt, Bascial Tutan was right there.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yards per route run, Cam Scattaboo had him.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but you know, these guys are like, these are and look at what Bascial Tutin's doing now.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I was gonna say.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we could pivot to that right now.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, let's talk about because Bascial Tutin, this guy, just comes out of nowhere for a lot of people.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: I remember I would go through our comment sections on our content, and everybody would be they would be saying, like, somebody sell me on Bascial Tutin.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why are we so big on this guy?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: Why is everybody screaming Bachel Tutin's name?
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't everybody, by the way.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: There were a lot of people, but yeah, it wasn't oh yeah, it wasn't a lot of people that were talking about Bachelor Tutin.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly the way we were talking about Bachelor Tutin.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because they just didn't know.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I think the three things for you was how efficient he was coming out of college.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, Jaguars are a good team, but then also Liam Cohen.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: The way that he he handpicked Bachel Tootin, same type of thing that he did with Bucky Irving, and now Bachel Tutin's having this fantastic season.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: He's the RB14 in points per game right now.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's fringe RB1.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, obviously, top 12 would be like awesome if he's like, oh yeah, he's a top 12.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to be because the usage just started to ramp up over the last few weeks.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: And he's getting that usage now.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: He has 60% of the carries, 39% of the routes, 9% target share.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's a very, very productive role for anyone keeping track.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: And he's still efficient.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: He was ninth in yards at the contact per attempt, sixth in miss tackles force per attempt.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: And this is literally who he was coming out of college.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I remember talking to him at the senior bowl.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this dude, like when you when you taught to him, he doesn't seem like he's so mellow.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's just like, you know, this super chill guy.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like he he he doesn't look like you know, somebody who's just gonna come in and be really loud.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but um, and he hasn't been loud in the NFL.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you can't even like think of him talking to the media because he he's doesn't he's not that type of guy, but he is quiet, man.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: He he is like a quiet, deadliest, like silent assassin type of guy, right?
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like silent killer.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's somebody who now imagine if the Jaguars were in more competitive games, man.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and we talked about you know Trevor Lawrence, obviously, this week.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: One of the big narratives is that you know, he has been, you know, been he was been able to take they were able to take him out of the game in so many games because they've been up, yeah, which is absolutely insane.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Just goes to show like Liam Cohen, man, just a really good coach, like the defense is playing really well.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but same thing for Bayesha Tutin.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like last week he didn't play in the fourth quarter, right?
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was all Chris Rodriguez.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um by the way, as we're talking about this right now, Tutin might miss this week uh because he's dealing with foot and ankle injuries and it's a short week.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um and they might not need him though, because uh they're going up against the Ravens, and we'll genuinely we'll talk about the Ravens in a sec.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: But Chris Rodriguez, uh, I think he's a formidable back.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, if you look at Rodriguez's numbers this year, he's actually pretty efficient.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's like up there.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: He was pretty efficient even with Bascial Tutin.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like when you do the comparisons, the edge that Bascial Tutin had is showing right now that he can catch passes.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: And he's a pla he's more of a playmaker.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like he will, he has the speed.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: If he hits the hole, he is out.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: And we saw that a few times.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh obviously, this past this past week when you know he caught that ball and almost scored a touchdown.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Then oh no, he did score a touchdown on that one.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then the you know, a couple couple weeks ago, he had two touchdowns that were called back also.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: His fantasy points, he would have been a top 12 running back at this point if he got those touchdowns.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: If he got those touchdowns.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I agree.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, but he's just looked fantastic, and it's especially over the past two weeks.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like everything is coming together for him.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: The role is just perfect.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: We know how efficient he is.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it's hard to say, like, if he gets over this injury, which I'm hoping he does, once he's done with that, he should come back and just he could be like the league winner down the stretch.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like the first couple weeks, we talked about his usage, we saw it ramp up, and now finally the production is coming.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're seeing that efficiency.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I think just because the Jaguars are such a good offense, it's like that's why Chris Rodriguez, he's even sometimes you can start him as a flex because he's coming in at the end of these games, just punching in a touchdown for you.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like being attached to this offense is exactly what you want.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just glad that like we we talked him up so much in the offseason, and then we just mentioned that hey, in the fifth round, you know, if you don't have your RB2, like grab Achill Tutin or grab DeAndre Swift.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like that was like the idea, and it's what it's working out.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there were some Chris Rodriguez truthers out there that's gonna be.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man, yeah, man.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like I get it.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: If you look at the statistics, like, yeah, sure.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: I could see him having a case for some carries.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: People are like, oh, worried about him having the goal line roll.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Beachel Tutin doesn't need a goal line roll when he's punching in touchdowns from 40 yards out.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know exactly.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: And he has and he has the goal line role, like he has he's had goal line touches, so it's like it's not like he doesn't have it at all.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so now we're at the point now where regressive season, Becial Tutin is looking like a top 12 running back.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Another player that we heard a ton about, and we were pretty loud on.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: We were a little off of him to start because we weren't sure that the price that he was beat going at, he's being drafted in the fourth round.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: We weren't sure if he was going to be worth it, but there was so much talk about him, especially from his head coach and just everybody around him.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Luther Burden is finally coming on over the past couple weeks.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: He has four top 15 finishes in his last sixty six games played, but he's barely running any routes.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I've looked through our DMs and everyone's saying, like, what are we doing with Luther Burden?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Because it doesn't feel legal for him to be this productive when he's not running that many routes.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, what are what are we doing with him?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because Romo Dunze's running a ton of routes.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Luther Burden isn't, but Luther Burden's getting all these targets.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: He's the Bears' most productive receiver.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I think if you say, like, who passes the eye test the most on the Bears offense right now, it's it's Luther Burton.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Easily.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: Easily.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this is a concern, right?
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because usually when you have guys who are finishing in the top 15, you need them to be full-time receivers, man.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like you need them to play like over 90% of snaps or snaps and and have a 90% route participation or higher.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Romo Dunze is like the only receiver who's actually running more than 90% of routes for the Bears, uh, because he's he plays like the extraceiver role.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but Luther Burden, he's going to continue to do his thing.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Last year, he was obviously efficient.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: His calling card last year was the efficiency.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: And what is his calling card this year again?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: The efficiency.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now, it is gonna remain a mystery why Ben Johnson just doesn't have him on the field more.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like why is Clay Brayman running the exact same number of routes?
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: It makes no sense, right?
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, Olaman is achaeus was that that guy last year, and he was doing that almost the entire year of running ahead of Luther Burden.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was it's almost like they need somebody to be running routes ahead of Luther Burden for whatever reason.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but Burden's getting the targets.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: His target per route run is super high.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and that's kind of what's holding him up.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now, here's what's gonna happen like he can either remain efficient, like the Jaden Reed season from a few you see from a few years ago.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: Don't compare him to Jaden Reed.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: This is literally, this is literally Jaden Reed.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, don't do that to me.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is literally Jaden Reed because Jaden Reed finished as a top 15 receiver, what, like three years ago, whatever it was, and then he just fell down to earth.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but that this is what's gonna happen.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there are gonna be games this year where Luther Burden just lays an egg, um, and it's because he's not on the field uh as uh enough, right?
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, but at the end of the day, man, you gotta keep riding the production, keep starting him.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: He's a hot hand right now.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Now, would I look to trade Luther Burden off of these games?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: I would.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I would look to see who I can get for Luther Burden.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, can I go ahead and get a Christian Watson?
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, get package him with uh, you know, maybe something small, go get Christian Watson, right?
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: Package him up with something small and uh, you know, go get a higher-end receiver.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like you can probably get a wide receiver one.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like you look around your league and see, like, okay, this team has a really strong wide receiver one, but his wide receiver two is really weak.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I can trade for that wide receiver one, give him two startable wide receivers, give him an upgrade at his wide receiver two spot, and now I have an upgrade for Luther Burden.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, those are the types of things that I would do because I would do that before anything goes wrong.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: And the the and then he hits any sort of regression because doing this type of thing is not sustainable, is not sustainable over a long period of time.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh luckily he's on a Ben Johnson offense and Caleb Williams is playing well.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: If he's still not running these full routes, you know what I mean?
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: But he's as efficient as he is.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: He's again eighth in yards per outrun, tenth in target rate, eighth in fantasy points per route run, like just super efficient like he was last year.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a chance that like he could just explode if he ends up getting those routes?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: His routes could go up.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: If he becomes a full-time receiver, then then we're talking like serious top 10, top five upside.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because Luther Burden, he's been so efficient.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: You look at what he did last year, we're like, okay, he was so efficient last year on a small sample, we need that small sample to translate to a large sample.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: And we're seeing more of the same thing.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: What is his target share right now?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because the reason why I ask is because right now he is uh you know 27% target rate, right?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: So on a per route run basis, 27%.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: And which is great.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's what's saving him.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if he ends up playing more routes and getting full time, that can turn into the target share.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: So what is his target share right now?
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: So this season, he's at 23%.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: 23%, right?
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: Which is not top 15 level, right?
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's not wide receiver one level at all.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's wide receiver two.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: You need to be like top, you need you need to be like in that like 25, 26% and higher range to be a wide receiver one.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: And even then, you have to be relatively efficient and a really good player, which we've seen before.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like Christian Watson's doing it, uh Matthew Golden's doing it.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that that's totally fine.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: But that 27, 28% target per route run rate can turn into target share.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what really matters, right?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like what's correlated to a wide receiver one season, it's that target share, not target rate.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Target rate is just on a per route route run basis.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: How often are you getting targeted?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: We need that to turn the target share.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: And like you said, yeah, like if his routes do go up, and you can hope, one can only hope.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Why hasn't been why hasn't that happened yet?
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: I have no idea.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: We've never seen it yet with Ben Johnson and Luther Burden, not in one game yet.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: So even last year.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a little bit of a concern, unfortunately.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, even when someone like Zacayus wasn't on the field, you know, DJ Moore obviously left.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't even matter, dude.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and it's kind of unfortunate.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I would only look to be moving Luther Burden if I'm getting a clear upgrade here in a player who's gonna give you top 12 production potentially and is running enough routes and is sustain, you know, and their production can be sustainable.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: I I I I'm personally gonna hold on to Luther Burden because I have him in early.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was looking good.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was playing against you.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: I have Romo Dunze and Luther Burden.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: You were coming back, bro.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, at the third quarter, like I was six points away.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, got this in the bag.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: I went to sleep and I woke up.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, they I guess the game ended at the middle of the third quarter because they didn't do anything after that.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was worried because DeAndre Swift had three touchdowns.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: That was the issue.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, what are you gonna do?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: What are you gonna do?
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we talked about Bachel Tutin.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Another player situation that we're kind of looking at, a young player right now, Cam Ward probably turned in his best game of the season against the Bengals.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: And the Bengals aren't like this world-beating defense, but this was a relatively, you know, good defense.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: Cam Ward looked as good as he did.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: I turned on the film and he was excellent.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna throw a stat at you, and you can probably read it right behind me right now, but I'm gonna throw a stat at you, and I just want to know what you think of this.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: The Titans were dead last in yards per play, points per game, and points scored overall in the first five games of the season.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: The last three games, they are second across the board.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like the offense is better, like it's just fixed magically.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Not actually, but there is there are a couple things going for the Titans.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Cam Ward's playing better, Tony Pollard's getting a lot of snaps.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Is the Titans offense finally turning a corner?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, they had this game, they put up 36 on the Bengals.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: They were gonna beat, they could have beat the Bengals when the Bengals scored 43 points.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is this offense turning a corner?
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: They did it without Carnell Tate.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: And what do you think of this offense moving forward with this you know flash of promise that they're doing?
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's really, really hard to for me to say that they're gonna completely turn it around.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like it really is.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like before this game, Cam Ward was like okay, right?
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: He was playing okay.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: He improved a little bit.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Cam Ward did improve, you know, late last year, you know, uh, you know, towards the end of the final stretch.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: But now, like, you know, after this game, like he did play really well for sure.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: But it's hard for me to think that like, okay, like this is gonna be a really dependable offense.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you know, Shamir DK was able to do his thing, like he was able to, you know, find him.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: He was able to, you know, and this is a this is a relatively tough overall matchup in terms of like, you know, against wide receivers and that sort of thing.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what Carnell Tate would have done anyway, because DK does play out of the slot, and that's the Bengals one vulnerability.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I am excited for Carnell Tate.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, am I excited for this entire offense?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Am I do I think Tony Pollard's production is sustainable?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think Tajay Spears is gonna end up coming back at some point and he is gonna stay in the mix, even though Pollard has been really productive over the last few, few, few, few games.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but this is really tough, right?
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because Pollard has scored five touchdowns in the last two games.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I really don't think that he's somebody that I want to depend on the rest of the year.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm 1000% looking to sell him if I can this year this week.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I will even add a little bit more to get like even a dependable RB2.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, don't get too excited about this, I would say.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, now moving forward though, I think Cornell Tate is like who I'm really excited about.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like wide receiver one utilization, you know, which is exactly what you want to see.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: 27% target share, 44% area yard share for anyone wondering.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: That is a clear wide receiver one profile.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's just the offense he's been on.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I'm excited.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if this Titans offense can look confident, like that's gonna be huge because this situation that he's been getting that volume in has just been so bad.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: So if he can improve, if the situation around him improves a little bit, like we're talking, this could be a second half breakout.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like Carnel Tate, of course, he has that kind of profile, a very good profile.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: And granted, he missed some time.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't play a whole lot of games, you know, in college compared to other guys that we've seen, but he's looked good through the first how many games of his career, you know, obviously a season.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's a little banged up going into the bye.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: They have their bye this week.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: And because he's a little bit banged up and the production's been a little bit not there, it's been on and off.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: You can probably buy him right now.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: And he you you could have a huge return on investment right now based on what you can probably get him for right now.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's probably being treated as like a wide receiver three or two.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because production just hasn't been there.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: He's not even treated like a wide receiver two right now.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: He's treated like a wide receiver three.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, people are not sure whether they want to start him every single week.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: They're probably considering other options every week, also.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, like whenever you have a fringe starter, or at least somebody who's viewed as a fringe starter, he's somebody who you can easily get uh for cheap.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and like you said, wide receiver one utilization, if they do turn it around, we could see that.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like in the past, like one of the reasons why um, you know, there is there's always been promise for Carnel Tate this year was because look at all the wide receiver ones and the rookie wide receiver ones that uh Brian Dable has coached, right?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we saw him absolutely fill feed Malik neighbors, right?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: We've seen him feed multiple wide receiver ones, uh rookie wide receiver ones too.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: And like at this point, Carnell Tate, he's already been fed.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's their clear number one wide receiver, and he's been you know, showing it targeted down the field.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: So at this point, going to the bye, he's banged up.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: Some people might not be sure if he's going to be ready after the buy.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but we did see a report that he's expected to be ready.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: He is expected to be ready.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: So um go ahead and go ahead and trade for him now if you can, and you don't have to give that, give up that much.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think because it's still just expected and not for sure, I think that could also work in your favor.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to swing a trade for him.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you're trying to buy Carnell Tate, chances are you're probably in a pretty good position.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like yeah, he's somebody that you're kind of buying, and if he takes a couple weeks to get up to pr speed with his production, you don't care.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: If you if you if you if you can afford to trade for Carnel Totten now and he's in on his bye like next week, that's not if you're if you have a losing record, I wouldn't do that because you need players to play for you this week.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um this is a long-term play.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Especially if you get to the fantasy play.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: And he has a good he has a good schedule.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's got the Cowboys, he's got the Commanders, he's got the Lions in the next five weeks, two games against the Jags, but they give up a lot of points, a lot of yards to receivers because it's so much negative game scripts for the teams that are playing the Jaguars.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: So he can rack up garbage time points in those matchups and he could still be very useful for you.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Another receiver, or set of receivers, I should say, that we could talk about is the Panthers receivers.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, Jalen Coker was he came out like out of a cannon to start the season.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: He had that huge game, outscored Tedroe McMillan, and then Coker got hurt.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: Ted Roe McMillan has that big game against the Lions, and now over the past couple weeks, these wide receivers are just not producing a whole lot.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Bryce Young looked like an MVP through the first couple weeks of the season.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: Things have kind of come back down to earth.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: How are you treating these two wide receivers?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because coming in to the season, we said Jalen Coker is basically Ted Roe McMillan, but just eight rounds later, you can get him eight rounds later in your draft.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Outside of the one game from Ted Roe McMillan, it's pretty much been the case.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's been a he's been that was a perfect setup for him, perfect matchup without Coker.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was just exactly what at home, like it was exactly what he needed to absolutely blow up.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about selling him after that game.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope you guys did because at this point in every game with Jalen Coker, target share wasn't good enough.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: The fantasy points of things only averaging maybe like 12 fantasy points per game uh in those games, which is really not high at all.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: So for context, he was averaging 13 points per game in weeks one and two when Jalen Coker was healthy.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't include the third game because Coker left like in the first quarter.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: So then obviously he missed, Jalen Coker missed week four.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: They had the bye in week five.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: And since they came back from the bye in week six, Jalen Coker is averaging seven points per game.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: But Tedro McMillan's only averaging 11 points per game.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Now his target share is up to 22, but still, he's not this world-beating wide receiver one.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's the overall wide receiver 15 on the season.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: But if you take out that one game against the Lions, zero top 15 finishes for Tedro McMillan.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: And and I and this is kind of what we're afraid of coming into the year, and that's why he was on our do not draft list.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I will say, um, the since the bye, the Panthers are way lower in pass rate over expectation.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Compared to where they were.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: Compared to what they were.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: They were like top three uh you know early on uh before the bye.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: And after the bye, they've been really run heavy.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think they were like 17th or 18th in pass rate over expectation, which is actually negative um below zero.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: So that's not really what you want to see.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: You would hope that they can get that rate higher so that both of these guys can produce.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: If they're gonna continue to depend on the run game, this is not uh a great situation for either of these guys.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean that was one of the big surprises of the start of the season was oh, the Panthers are a passing team now.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because coming in, we came in last year.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: The whole problem we had with Coker and McMillan was well, the Panthers are a run first team.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: So if there's not going to be that kind of volume going around, I don't care if Tedder McMillan's getting 28, 29% target share because it's still only gonna amount to like seven targets a game.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't have this problem with Coker because you were drafting him in the 12th round.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's the whole thing.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: But with McMillan, it was a problem because you were drafting him in the third, and you had to draft them over guys like Luther Burden and all these other guys, right?
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: All those other guys.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Javante Williams.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like people were drafting him over Javante Williams, which is absolutely insane to me.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Just crazy.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: But that was the thing.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the whole argument was price, price, price with Ted Rowell McMillan.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: And now we're kind of seeing it because it's just, I don't know about you.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: When the Panthers came out and they were pass heavy, I thought, oh, okay, maybe this can stick because look at how Bryce Young's playing.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: We want him to keep doing that.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: But then they come back out of the bye.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: They've been this super run heavy team.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, you're losing Jalen Coker.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you don't want to throw the ball as much because you don't have as many guys behind him.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: But but they came out of the bye, though, and Jalen Coker had a great game, you know, coming out of the bye.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: He had like double-digit targets.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, he had a great game.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: And but then since then, over the last couple games, it hasn't been the case.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the other thing.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: He out-targeted Ted Row McMillan in that game.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then since that game, now suddenly they're running the ball a lot.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: But my point here is Ted Roe McMillan, outside of that one game, he hasn't been that kind of guy.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I just wanted to I put this note on here.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to point this out.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because I actually went to the defense of our guy, Salvetry.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: You guys probably heard of him.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: He put out, someone put out a piece of content, you know, like flaming him for saying don't draft Ted Rowell McMillan after he had that 45-point game.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Outside of that 45-point game, Ted Roe McMillan has been the exact same receiver he was last season.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: The exact same thing.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of how we're looking at the past two weeks.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it's felt like.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's been the same thing with Jalen Coker and Ted Roe McMillan the past two weeks as it was last season.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: So my fear is that continues.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: If you have either of those these guys, like are you buying Ted Roe McMillan right now?
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: And are you selling Jalen Coker?
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you can, given what we've seen from.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even think that it's not even that you can.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: I do actually think he can bounce back.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's it.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I think if I'm gonna have, if if I'm actually gonna bet on a receiver here, it's actually gonna be Jalen Coker.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I agree with you.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: When I said like, oh, I don't think you can, I don't think I can give up on him given what I saw.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: And also Tedo McMillan has higher like name value.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: So when I'm I think it's I think McMillan is harder to trade for because people assume that he's gonna bounce back and he has a higher chance of bouncing back.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: With Jalen Coker, because he's been underproducing a little bit over the last couple games, it's like, oh, like, oh, he's just Jalen Coker.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's just a guy who was happened to be overperforming early on in the year.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: So like he's actually underperforming now.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: Is he just Jeremy Bernard now?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is he just like this dude who's just like okay?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, like you know, he is being viewed as a wide receiver of three right now.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's kind of where he does belong in terms of ranks rest of the season as of today, but I do think it could definitely bounce back.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: And um, he's somebody that I don't want to necessarily trade away just yet.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I wouldn't trade him away either.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: But speaking of players that we don't really know what to do with, maybe a situation that nobody knows what to do with the Ravens' offense.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, I know what to do with them.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what do you do with them?
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: Just leave them alone, just move on, just leave him alone.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: Is that really good?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's over.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's over.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Is the offense just fucked?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Is that just what it is?
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because Lamar Jackson comes in, it's just poetic.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: He comes in, he goes immediately to IR, pretty much.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you think about the sequence, he comes in, plays one play immediately to IR.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: Probably season ending.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that, it's like that Simpsons meme.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like you walk in, do a circle, and walk right back out.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty much what it was.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it was.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then now Tyler Huntley comes in, plays like a quarter, and then now he has season-ending turf toe.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: So Joe Fignano, I mean, I I hadn't heard of this guy until he came into the game.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can't remember the last time a team had to go to their emergency quarterback.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was like the commanders back in like 2022 or something.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: But Joe Fignano comes in, he's starting this game, he was even dealing with an ankle injury.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: What do the Ravens do?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is there any salvaging this?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they're the only way they salvage this is if they go trade for another quarterback.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: And like, why would you?
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: At this point.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: The season is sold.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, unless you're going and getting Joe Flacco for the homecoming to Baltimore to do what Joe Flacco does and make Zay Flowers, you know, I mean, that's what we need, man.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I I don't think I can start Zay Flowers on Thursday night.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I just can't do that.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: Not in good conscience, not in this matchup either.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's relatively tough.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, Jaguars have a good are good defense overall, and like, yes, like you know, Finianel's gonna have to, you know, target, like, he's gonna have to throw the ball a lot.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: And we don't want him to do that at all, right?
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: Derek Henry's gonna average like 1.8 yards per carry.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's gonna be really bad.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm not gonna put that label on Derrick Henry.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think he can be efficient.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't think this is the the Jaguars are the number one run defense in the NFL.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't, but Derrick Henry's Derrick Henry.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think the volume's gonna be there.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're gonna go down so quick, and it's just gonna be like they have to throw.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be a Justice Hill game.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he had eight targets.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: He led the team in targets last week.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because what's a backup quarterback, uh a double backup quarterback who's never played a snap in the NFL and we've never heard of, what is he gonna do?
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's like if you put me out there.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: Was it Justice Hill like the ended up being the backup quarterback last week?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: He was the emergency emergency quarterback, which honestly at this point, like let's just do it for fun.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, dude.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: If he was the emergency quarterback, like if he was the quarterback this week, dude, he'll be started everywhere.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, no, you'd have to start.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's a running back playing quarterback, which would be huge.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: He would get like 15 carries.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be great.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, like, is it far fetched?
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: It probably is far fetched, but in that situation, if like we said, Fanyano's dealing with an ankle injury.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: If Fanyano goes out and Justice Hill ends up playing some quarterback, like I don't think it's gonna happen.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're bringing in another quarterback.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm not mistaken, they're Caden Slovis.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: Slovis is gonna be quarterback, exactly.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: Another guy, probably haven't heard of him.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, if you don't, if you're not like degenerates with fantasy football like us, like we've we've heard of Caden Slovis, we haven't seen much of him, but like there's nobody on the Ravens that can turn this offense around.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: So are you starting anybody on Thursday night?
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and it's crazy because I put Derrick Henry, I was doing the matchup research last night.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's I put him in sits.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like we we can't start him.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: The offense is not going to be good enough.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: And like I said, he saved you.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you're looking to sell Derrick Henry, which I would totally do right now, because his offense is just gonna be bad the rest of the way.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Because get what you can.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: He saved you by farting out that touchdown.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like he just happened to score a touchdown because I think the Ravens picked off Josh Allen like in the red zone.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: So they end up with 16 yards to go to the goal and Derek Henry punching that touchdown.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Sell him off of that.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't look like complete garbage because it's about to be complete garbage.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: And he was on a cold streak coming in.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was averaging 50 yards a game in the past two games before this past week.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: And before that, he was 90 yards a game.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: He had seven touchdowns through the first five games.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: He has one, which is when he scored last week in the last three weeks.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: So the Ravens offense, just forget it.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's so unfortunate because it's Zay Flowers was going to win leagues.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: He was gonna win leagues with Lamar back, man.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: And now he was doing it with Hunt Huntley.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like Huntley was.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, but yo, yeah, but like he he was he with Huntley, he would have been just fine.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like he would have been startable, maybe like a wide receiver two the rest of the year.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: But like Zay Flowers had top five upside at the wide receiver position with Lamar, and now we might not see Lamar again as a Raven.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's ridiculous.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: Another thing that's crazy, offense, that's terrible.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: The Vikings.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: They are destroying Justin Jefferson as we know him.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: Now, Justin Jefferson's been okay, he's a wide receiver 18 in points per game in the games that he's healthy for.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't include the game where he left early and then obviously the production wasn't there.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: But wide receiver 18 points per game is very low considering how we think about Justin Jefferson.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: He has 29% target share in the games that he plays, but he's only averaging seven targets a game on that target share because the Vikings just aren't throwing the ball.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: The Vikings are not a good offense right now.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: So he's like, I'd say he's overperforming considering that he the offense that he's on.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the fact that he like scored a touchdown and like the fact that he's like you see the touchdown?
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm just saying though, like the fact that he is doing anything right now is really like you're just happy with what you're getting.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, did you see who I picked up in our league last night?
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: And super flex, I picked up Carson Wentz.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh my God.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because Kyler Murray's dealing with his hamstring.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Not only is he dealing with the hamstring, he is he sucks.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like it's been really bad.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: And Carson Wentz, like I feel like they're gonna put him in.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: And if he ends up playing this week because of the quote unquote hamstring soreness, yeah, um, it's gonna be his job the rest of the way, man.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: If you're listening on podcasts, huge air quotes on hamstring, like yeah, exactly.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: I after the game, like Callum Murray is just like hamstring?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: What hamstring?
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: What are you talking about?
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm fine.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: I feel fine.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I think I think we all are hoping and praying that Carson that Carson Wentz is the quarterback, uh, especially for my fantasy team and my super flex lead because I lost your Kobe Rissette.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, I tried to get Garden Mincher, couldn't get him.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I I I think Carson Wentz has a lot more upside if he ends up being the starter.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but there's everybody's so frustrated.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: Not only Justin Jefferson frustrated, Jordan Addison was talking a little shit too.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: Jordan Addison was like, hey, uh, when we look at the film, guys are running wide open, you know, guys are you know separating, guys are doing their thing.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: We just have to execute.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: And who is he talking to?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's talking to Kyler Murray.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's what I'm saying.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: So and you remember, sorry, go ahead.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't mean to cut you off.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, KOC, like I think like he can call a good game, but you know, he's also been a little bit disappointing overall to like make sure that this kind of clicks with Kyler Murray and being able to like make sure that he does the right thing and makes the right reads, and that's not happening right now.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: But with Carson Wentz, I think that things can change, and Justin Jefferson will be back to the overall wide receiver one upside if Wentz takes over.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: So it's the crazy thing is Justin Jefferson, he had his best game with Carson Wentz, if you remember week one when Kyler Murray went out after like four plays.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: He ended up with eight catches, 92 yards, two touchdowns.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's his best game of the season so far.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: He was, I think, a wide receiver one.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: Even last year with Wentz, like he absolutely killed it.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: But and the problem is like they're just not throwing enough.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: I talked about the target share that he's getting.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, 29% target share on paper sounds great.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: He's getting seven targets a game for comparison.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Other wide receivers around the league getting a 29% target share right now.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: Puka, that comes out to 12 targets a game.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: CeeDee Lamb, that comes out to 11 targets a game.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: JSN and Amon Ra, that comes out to 10 targets a game.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: They're all averaging 29% target share, but they're getting way more volume.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I think Carson Wentz is gonna unlock that a little bit.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: There'll be more, they'll be able to throw the ball more than they have in the past couple weeks with Kyler Murray.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, Justin Jefferson, like until that switch happens, it seems like it could happen this week.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: Justin Jefferson's like a wide receiver too, at best.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: But I think we just have to cross our fingers, yeah.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then another player that we have to talk about.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we would we'd be losing the plot if we didn't talk about this guy, because you were big on this guy coming into the draft.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: And we saw him at the senior bowl.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: Jonah Coleman.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like this guy is monstrous.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: He's come in and just completely taken over the Broncos backfield.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: In week seven, he came off IR.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: He played half of the snaps, got half of the opportunities.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: That felt pretty deliberate.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then again, this past week, in a tough matchup against the Chiefs, 20 points, over 100 scrimmage yards, and he had two-thirds of the opportunities, two-thirds of the snaps, goal line roll, running a lot of routes.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, R.J.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: Harvey was on IR, so his role might have picked up a little bit because of that.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: But it seems like they're pretty much handing the keys to Jonah Coleman at this point.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: Jonah Coleman was one of my favorite running backs coming out of this draft.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about him a lot.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: And why?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Efficiency.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Again, I keep talking about it, right?
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Beijel Tootin, super efficient coming out in the power four, amazing.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Jonah Coleman, same thing.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: The difference though with Jonah Coleman is that he was also very efficient in the receiving game.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: Extremely high yards per route run, targets per route run, and all that.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, like when you see that type of profile coming out, and on top of that, you see his size and the fact that he's elusive at that size.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: Pass catcher running the type of routes that he can run at that size is really, really impressive.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: And unlike RJ Harvey, he actually has vision.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: If you look at how RJ Harvey's running right now, and then you look at how J.K.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: Dobbins was running as well, these guys were not finding the holes.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the Broncos offensive line hasn't been playing as well, but the one guy who's actually been finding the holes has been Jonah Coleman.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: So the vision is like you would give him the highest grade there, and that's what they've been lacking.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: And the fact that he has the ability after contact, the ability to make guys miss.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: This is exactly what Sean Payton needed.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and when you look back historically on all the Sean Payton running backs who were successful, they were very uh apt in the passing game too.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: And he's able to do that.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: So that is key.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: With RJ Harvey now on IR, you have Jonah Coleman coming in and running the routes, getting some catches and targets.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and on top of that, he's a primary runner.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_00: This is exactly what you want.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: He's like a three-down back right now.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now, he might not be an every down back, or he might not be, you know, this crazy, you know, full-on work horse.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: But his role right and right now, if he's getting like 65% of snaps or so the rest of the way, he could be a hind RB2.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: He's the primary back.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's the biggest thing.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like JK Dobbins, you can drop him.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: You can forget about him.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's just not going to be a thing because he's not multidimensional like Jonah Coleman is.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I was doing a research.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, Jonah Coleman's played three, four games.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: So he doesn't meet a whole lot of the thresholds that we need for like rankings.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: But if he were ranked, if he ran enough routes, right now his yards per route run would be first.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like he is just super efficient in the passing game.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then he's also first in explosive run rate.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, again, small sample size, ninth in rush yards over expectation per attempt.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is a guy that's just super efficient, and he's in a pretty, I mean, for all the crap that we've heard about the Broncos offense, it's pretty good offense right now.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: They're they're putting up points and they're running it through him.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: Again, this was a tough matchup that he had last week.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great matchup coming up this week against the Panthers.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: The only thing that can ruin this right now is Bo Nix.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: Bo Nicks.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Bo Nicks.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, Bo Nix, he's playing well.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: But the only thing that can ruin this right now, and I'm sure you've heard, and I know that a lot of other people have heard, is the Broncos seem to be pretty heavily involved in the trade market right now.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: For a running back.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: Now, is that going to be Jonathan Taylor?
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: Is it going to be Brees Hall?
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is he available?
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows who they bring in?
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: But it sounds like they're on the phones.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: They want to bring somebody else in.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: And from a depth perspective, that makes total sense.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: But from a fantasy perspective, we need them to kindly like we just need to cut off their you know phone lines because we don't want that to happen if you have Jonah Coleman.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: If they add somebody, that's pretty much like a death sentence for this role that he has.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's over.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: Even if it's nobody, like even if they bring in, like maybe James Conner would be a little bit too much of a he wouldn't be a big enough name.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: But if they bring in anybody who can be a role player, take a little bit of the receiving role.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think James Conner would be a little bit, it would suck because I think Sean Payton would end up using him.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the whole thing.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like you see multiple running backs in this backfield.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of the risk you're taking if you're counting on Jonah Coleman the rest of the way.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: So like what is like right now, the the way the roster is shaped, like what is J.K.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: Dobbins giving you that Jonah Coleman doesn't have?
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like nothing.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think James Conner can give a little bit more because he's probably a little bit better of a runner, he's a little bit better of a pass protector, he's a little bit better of a receiver.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: So like he has that three-down skill set in him so that he can have these multiple roles.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but who knows how healthy he is also.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: He's not off of IR yet, you know, so it might take a little bit of time.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, man, I'm crossing my fingers and my toes that because I want to see Jonah Coleman in this type of role because I'm such a big fan of him coming out.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really glad that he's able to get that opportunity.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about in the offseason too, that like, you know, coming into the season, a lot of the talk from the beat reporters out of Denver was that he would be the JK Dobbins replacement if there were to be that guy.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: And that that talk was happening even before the season started.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but then he ended up getting hurt on IR, but coming off of IR, man, like right away, Sean Payton.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: Sean Payton put him in.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: And uh for a rookie to be able to do that, the last one he trusted like that was Alvin Kamara.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, something to keep in mind.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, which is hilarious.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I just think it's crazy because Jonah Coleman's like if RJ Harvey and JK Dobbins had a baby.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's just better than both of them at what they do.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, why would you why would you start them over him?
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: And we saw that.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: And rational coaching prevailed there.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like Jonah Coleman's the guy, he came in and he's looking good.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: I will say that when RJ Harvey comes back, I do think he's gonna have a sizable role in the receiving game.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: I do think he's gonna be a really good scat back.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: If you had to, if you if I if I had to say like who's the better receiver and who's the better guy in open in the open field, it'll probably be RJ Harvey.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but in terms of like the primary back, I think it's gonna continue to be Jonah Coleman the entire year.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right, we're gonna wrap up kind of this part of the show.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna do a little QA.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: I put out a story if you pay attention to our Instagram, and we talked about QA.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: Just a couple questions for you, two or three serious ones, one fun one.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: But this first one comes from Pruneal22.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Pruneal?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Pruneal.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's our guy.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's our guy.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know he's been super active.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's our guy.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's been super active in Prone.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, he's he's been just awesome.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: He has a question, and it's very upperhand branded.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: He's asking, if Josh Downs is traded, which team would benefit him the most from a fantasy standpoint?
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, this one's easy for me, man.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: I I I'm going 49ers.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: The 49ers.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: 49ers.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: That would be insane.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: 49ers, to me, I think, you know, even with Mike Evans healthy, I think he's the perfect compliment, right?
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can play him by the slot, he can play the flanker role, put him in motion.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Kyle Shanahan would go to town with someone like Josh Downs, man.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because Downs, listen, I know that we've been talking, I've been talking so much about Josh Downs over the last couple years and hasn't hasn't, you know, amounted to much.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but there's a reason why he is the hottest name on the trademark right now, because he's a good receiver.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: He's just being underutilized, man.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: And like he, if he wasn't a good receiver, he wouldn't be on the trade block.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: He wouldn't be on the trade market, like it would, he wouldn't have any value.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: But we're looking, we're looking at a third round potential for Josh Downs.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's what they're asking.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: Which is kind of crazy, like if you think about it, right?
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: So um that means he's a good receiver.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's what they're asking.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's the asking price.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's different than what he's actually gonna be traded for, but he's a young receiver, he has serious separation ability.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and for somebody who has serious separation ability, Kyle Shanahan is going to potentially like go nuts with someone like that.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: And regardless, I mean, take away the fact that this is Josh Downs we're talking about.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if Juwan Jennings can do it in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we've always been saying.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: Juwan Jennings has been like the reference point, he's the reference terrible receiver, the reference jag.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: Just somebody that benefits purely from the system.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, Josh Downs would just go absolutely crazy in that offense.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: I I think I would agree with you on 49ers.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like some people have been saying, like, oh, let's send him to the Chiefs.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really want that.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want them because his role will overlap with Rashi Rice a little bit.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the problem.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: It'd just be a mess because they already don't target any one player a whole lot.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like Rashi Rice has been a little quiet.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: And do we want to take away from what Rashi Rice is doing already?
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you like, I this is gonna be this is gonna sound so crazy, but like if you put Josh Downs in the Rashi Rice role right now, like Josh Downs would go nuts, dude.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: You'll be better.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean the the Colts offense is just radioactive right now, so he just needs to get out of there.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_01: We we've been like waiting for Josh Downs to break out.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, it's never gonna if it takes a trade and he goes and breaks out, we're gonna be like, never wrong, just early.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's never gonna fucking happen with Josh Downs, I swear to God, dude.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: All right, we got another question right here from Jeremiah Hartman, Jeremiah underscore Hartman.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's asking, what player do you currently have ranked much higher than consensus and why?
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I think let's frame it this way rest of season.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: Who are you high on that not everybody else is high on?
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, I don't know.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_00: I I gotta look, I gotta look at my rankings and see like, all right, well, like just in general, like it doesn't even have to be off for your rankings.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: I wanna like because I need like a reference point, you know, with all the names.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like I gotta look at names for me to like be like, okay, you know, I'm a lot higher on this guy than most people are.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I think one of the guys who I was like highest on the most coming in before Lamar Jackson got hurt was Zay Flowers.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like he was somebody that I was just like, dude, like this dude is gonna just absolutely win leagues uh the rest of the way.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I you know, I would say like one guy that I'm much higher on is DJ Moore compared to a lot of other people.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: I I think a lot of people aren't viewing him as this top 12 guy.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: I actually have him as my wide receiver 12 the rest of the way.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's a wide receiver one, people.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a wide receiver one, that's right.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's a lot of top 12 player, means wide receiver one for fantasy.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, in the games that he has played, he has been used as a wide receiver one in terms of utilization.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then you add the fact that it's Josh Allen giving him that utilization, that means a lot, right?
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_00: So now obviously he's been dealing with the shoulder injury.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: Now he has his hyperextension issue that he's dealing with right now.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: Today's Wednesday, we don't know what his practice situation is gonna be this week.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently he's been he's fine, like he was walking around afterwards just fine, like he didn't have any brace on or anything like that.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like he looked good.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: So hopefully it's not a big deal.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: He luckily, you know, you know, left that game without any serious knee injury because it looked bad to start.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, oh my God, did he just tear something?
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I do think moving forward the rest of the year, I think, you know, in the when you look on paper, DJ Moore was a really, really, really, really good pick at ADP.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think he's gonna end up winning leagues as long as he can stay healthy.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: He is somebody that who I would be trading for right now.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he's I think he's probably treated as like a low-end wide receiver too.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of where people are treating him.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm treating him like a low-end wide receiver one right now.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: And whoever has him might just be sick and tired of dealing with these, oh, a shoulder injury here, a knee injury here.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's missed the better part of or all of five games this season.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: So he's played three full games, but in those three full games, he averages 17 points per game.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: He has a 27% target share.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is wide receiver one.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: This is exactly what we wanted DJ Demore to be.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: We just haven't seen it consistently because he's been injured, and I think that's bringing his price down a little bit because people don't realize what they have with him.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, this one's really tough.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: This one might hit home a little bit.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: This is a Parker Washington question?
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: It is a Parker Washington question.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, because of course it is.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he was so good.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, obviously, like he hasn't been as hot the past couple of weeks.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: And this one's really tough.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: BC underscore lander asks, would you rather have Parker Washington or Justin Jefferson for the rest of the season?
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, this is easy, man.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: Justin Jefferson.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: I really yeah, I'd rather have Justin Jefferson because I am not assuming that Kyler Murray is gonna be the quarterback the rest of the year.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was gonna say, is this the Carson Wentz thing again?
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's gonna be Carson Wentz eventually taking over at some point because the the frustrations are being voiced.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_00: Justin Jefferson's voicing those frustrations.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: You can you can see how he was acting on the sideline the other day.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Jordan Addison's talking shit.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's just like, man, like we're getting open.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: We just need to execute.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: So that's another reason.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think it's eventually gonna be him and Parker Washington.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, you know I love Parker Washington.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_00: However, yeah, does he have overall wide receiver one upside?
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so, man.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: Overall, he's gonna be up and down.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the Jaguars are in games, they're taking control of games.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: Are they really gonna be down where you know Trevor Lawrence has to throw it a ton?
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: Not really.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, they're they're doing a little bit of, you know, this is they're really involved in the run game.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_00: Basel Tutin's kind of taking over.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, Parker Washington is gonna have his games, he's gonna have his top 12 finishes, but Justin Jefferson has the range of outcomes to the point where he could be the overall wide receiver one at some point the rest of the way.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like it might not be this week, assuming that Kyler Murray starts, but Carson Wentz could start this week, man, and it could start right now.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: And Justin Jefferson could end up having a ridiculous finish to the end of the year.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: Can Parker Washington win leagues?
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: Of course he can, just like he did last year.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_00: He won leagues for us.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I think the guy who has a much better chance of winning us leagues is Justin Jefferson.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I hear you.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: And the biggest thing for me with Parker Washington, it's like you've heard, like it's a meme, suffering from success.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_01: When the Jaguars are such a good team, they don't have to throw.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_01: And when they have so many different guys that are contributing, like Basel Tutin, they have Brian Thomas catching a touchdown here and there.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_01: Brenton Strange is a thing, Parker Washington, Jacoby Myers, like there wasn't a pass catcher last week that had more than three targets.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like one of those situations where it's like you're in such a good offense, you have such a good play caller, there's so many weapons.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like the one that benefits in that situation is the quarterback.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_01: And we saw that Trevor Lawrence had how many touchdowns?
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's just unfortunate for Parker Washington because if he got that volume, which he he was getting earlier in the season, you know, he he was on fire.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: But he's just suffering because the team around him is so good.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_00: And Parker's gonna be fine, like he's gonna have his good, he's gonna have good games moving forward, obviously.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_00: And and I think he's a rest of the season top 15 guy uh at wide receiver.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but Justin Jefferson's kind of right there, right?
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like maybe Justin Jefferson is like a top 18 guy like today, yeah, but then he can easily be a top five guy in a week or two.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: And we had one goof off question.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: Someone, it's another Parker Washington question.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's would you rather have$50,000 right now, cash, or dinner with Parker Washington?
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, like listen, I'm not a type, I'm not the type of guy who chases money.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think um, I think this is funny.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh listen, man, give me the cash.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: Give me the cash, and I'll donate some of the cash to like charity or something like that.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, this is insane.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_00: Opposed to just dinner with Parker Washington.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: The cool thing is like we met Parker Washington earlier this year, right?
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we went to the game and stuff like that.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that was all that was cool.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but like I mean, I don't know, like I I I guess$50,000 is a lot, bro.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_00: $50,000 you know, is a lot, you know, compared to like having dinner with Parker Washington.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, we can have dinner at some point.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe a candlelight dinner or something like that, right?
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_00: Don't let him hear that.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_00: Am I going too far now?
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um don't let him hear that, right?
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's it just goes back to like, you know, when we did meet him, like we had no idea what to expect and whether he was gonna just think that we were the weirdos and we were the ones putting all those memes out.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm glad he didn't.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't us.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't us.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are crazy in the in the community, especially you tick you TikTok people.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: Give me the money, man.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: We can use the money.