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Reds offseason list w/Danny Graves · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: All right, we are gonna talk a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati Reds right now and they're off season, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about their to do list. Guys, I'm gonna pose
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  Speaker 1: the first question to you about Ace Hunter Green. He
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  Speaker 1: has three years and forty two million left on his contract.
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  Speaker 2: There have been.
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  Speaker 1: Rumors that the Reds, if I have to say this
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  Speaker 1: phrase one more time today, I'm gonna die, but like,
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  Speaker 1: have listened, but don't have any intention of trading Hunter Green. Eric,
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  Speaker 1: what's your reaction to that.
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  Speaker 3: And thought to to your visceral hate for listening. Let's
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  Speaker 3: do both.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do both, my viscral.
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  Speaker 3: Have you ever told somebody I wish you were a
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  Speaker 3: better listener? Like, maybe that's a good thing that somebody says,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, we are listening. You know why they're
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  Speaker 3: listening because their teams that don't want to spend money
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  Speaker 3: and they have the most capital ever. It's like they
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  Speaker 3: have this big like coupon that just is sitting there like, ooh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna cash this in for something, well, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: like they don't need to. Maybe the Reds should have
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  Speaker 3: looked at themselves and been like, you know what, we
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  Speaker 3: didn't really build the entire roster, and we you know,
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  Speaker 3: our hitters weren't quite who they thought we thought they
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  Speaker 3: were going to be. We have an ace at the
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  Speaker 3: number one. He's not an ace a number one at
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  Speaker 3: the top of our rotation that you know what, It's
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  Speaker 3: okay to say, we're gonna listen, but it's also okay
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  Speaker 3: to not go anywhere because he's got three more years
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  Speaker 3: on his deal and he is below market value. No,
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to trade him because I think it's
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  Speaker 3: still in this winning window.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I've heard we have a guest ready for
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  Speaker 1: us to talk a little Red.
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  Speaker 3: He knows he's not a spell.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how to spell. I'm still trying to learn.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's the wrong sport too.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, maybe we welcome in Danny Graves, who knows
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  Speaker 4: a lot more than we do about the Reds.
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  Speaker 1: So, Danny, we need to know what are your top
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  Speaker 1: three to do lists? To do things on your to
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  Speaker 1: do list for the Reds this offseason.
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  Speaker 2: I'll explain the hat real quick for you, Cratzy. So
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  Speaker 2: it's hockey weekend. I have to travel for travel hockey
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  Speaker 2: for my ten year old son. Soon as I get
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  Speaker 2: off this I'm going to pick them up from school
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to Dallas big tournament this weekend. So
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  Speaker 2: that's the reason I have the hockey attire.
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  Speaker 3: Soop Speed got speech and coming on with us. We
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  Speaker 3: love it. Yeah, I hope you got no traffic.
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  Speaker 2: No traffic, that's so I'll driving through Austin is awful,
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  Speaker 2: So it'll take me like seventeen hours. But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: What I got for the Reds, what I wish the
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  Speaker 2: Reds could do. I really think they need to solidify
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  Speaker 2: their bullpen. Emilio Pegan was great for them last year
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  Speaker 2: at the back end thirty two saves, one of eight
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  Speaker 2: in all of Major League Baseball that had thirty plus saves.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to fight that guy at the back end
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  Speaker 2: that could shut down games for you. He is a
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  Speaker 2: free agent. Whether they'll try to sign him back, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure. I know he's going to be demanding a
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  Speaker 2: lot more money than probably the Reds want to pay
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  Speaker 2: for a closer, So they need to go out and
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  Speaker 2: find somebody. Tony Santia did a great job eighty games
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  Speaker 2: last year a sub three era. Could he close possibly,
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  Speaker 2: But I do feel like they need some kind of
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  Speaker 2: veteran leadership in the bullpen. Also a power bat. We
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  Speaker 2: need some pop at great American small park. Guys twenty
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  Speaker 2: two home runs led the team last year, and Elie
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  Speaker 2: de la Cruz. I believe it's twenty two. That's not
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  Speaker 2: enough for that kind of ballpark. You need guys that
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  Speaker 2: can drive the ball out of the ballpark. You know
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  Speaker 2: that one swinging the back can change the game. And
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  Speaker 2: also I think they need to solidify the outfield.
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  Speaker 3: TJ.
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  Speaker 2: Friedel's been really good. Noel Vie Marte has been awesome
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  Speaker 2: the transition from third base to right field. But they
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  Speaker 2: need somebody else. They need a guy like maybe Kevin.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's gonna come out of retirement,
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  Speaker 2: but you need a guy that can run him down
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  Speaker 2: and catch the ball and know where to throw it
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  Speaker 2: every single time. I'm not trying to talk you into anything, Kevin.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying no.
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  Speaker 5: When I was reading this list, when I was reading
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  Speaker 5: this list, I'm like power baton, I don't feel it
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  Speaker 5: sounds like me. If twenty two homers, If twenty two
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  Speaker 5: homers is like the barometer of power, I think I
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  Speaker 5: got twenty two left.
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  Speaker 2: Although right now, so right handed I would prefer and
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  Speaker 2: there you are.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think KP could hit KP could hit Dingers,
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  Speaker 3: although something happened with the human door and in Great
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  Speaker 3: American small park. I don't know. That's another discussion. We're
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  Speaker 3: going to stick to your to do list and I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna hit the first topic, the bullpen. Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 3: every team is going to have that is on their
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  Speaker 3: to do list, you know, add to the bullpen. Everybody
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  Speaker 3: wants to do that. Do you feel like it's an
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  Speaker 3: easier job because of the fact what Derek Johnson has
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  Speaker 3: done with this, with this starting rotation with Terry Francona
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  Speaker 3: feels comfortable letting this starter rotation go deeper because some
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  Speaker 3: teams we just talked about the Mets, those dudes are
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  Speaker 3: out of there in the fourth inning, like you got
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  Speaker 3: to build you got to build an entire new bullpen
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  Speaker 3: because you killed them all this year. Do you feel
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  Speaker 3: like it's an easier job? And I know it's a
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  Speaker 3: small market, so they're not gonna spend a ton of money,
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  Speaker 3: but is it easier to find guys that can fill
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  Speaker 3: in because you don't have to have such a deep bullpen?
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know if it's easier Cratzy. I do
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  Speaker 2: think they're gonna have more options because they have starters
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  Speaker 2: that can go deeper and they're younger guys that still
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of bullets left in the tank. So
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  Speaker 2: I do feel like they want to go out and
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  Speaker 2: look for somebody. Like last year they brought in Pegan.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they were expecting him to be their
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  Speaker 2: guy that has thirty plus saves, But you bring in
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  Speaker 2: a veteran guy who has a little bit of experience
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  Speaker 2: and then you see what happens. Maybe let Santiain start
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  Speaker 2: it the season as a closer and then have somebody
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  Speaker 2: to back him up just in case. But it does
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  Speaker 2: make a big difference. I think if your starter goes
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  Speaker 2: deeper the way that the game is nowadays, when starters
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  Speaker 2: do go four and two thirds, why is it four
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  Speaker 2: and two thirds? I have no idea that they go
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  Speaker 2: four and two thirds. Then they got to try to
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  Speaker 2: make some match the rest of the game. Well, you
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  Speaker 2: kind of need that bullpen, especially come playoff time, right,
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  Speaker 2: So if you're burning them out, your toast. So hopefully
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  Speaker 2: they can find somebody that's not going to cost them
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  Speaker 2: too much money where they can go out and have
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  Speaker 2: a bullpen to compete.
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  Speaker 5: All right, My question, since I'm no longer available to
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  Speaker 5: fill the needs of the Cincinnati Reds, give me the
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  Speaker 5: dream scenario of that power bat that you're thinking of.
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  Speaker 5: Give me who you think they end up with. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: because I think who they kind of dream of getting
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  Speaker 5: and who they probably end up with are probably two
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  Speaker 5: different people. And do you think they have a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of hesitancy because the last two kind of big
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  Speaker 5: deals they gave the power Bats didn't work out.
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  Speaker 2: So I think my dream deal would Pete A. Lonzo
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  Speaker 2: would be that guy that's not to happen. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's everybody's dream. He would be perfect, a perfect fit
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  Speaker 2: for that ballpark, but obviously just cannot afford to have him.
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  Speaker 2: I do like Auhanio Suarez reunite. I know they were
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  Speaker 2: talking about reuniting with him at the trade deadline last year,
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  Speaker 2: but they couldn't get a deal done. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how much he's going to be worth it. They're saying
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  Speaker 2: like possibly three years, sixty million. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: the Reds are going to want to do that for
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  Speaker 2: a guy that's thirty five years old. Why not go
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  Speaker 2: out on a Limb and get somebody like Paul Goldschmidt.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I know he didn't have a ton
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  Speaker 2: of homers last year. He only hit ten, I believe.
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  Speaker 2: But the guy can hit the ball out of the ballpark,
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  Speaker 2: and his career numbers a great American are pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's two eighty plus with twenty homers and
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  Speaker 2: sixty something games, so he's familiar with the place. It's
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  Speaker 2: a veteran guy who can just flat out hit still,
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  Speaker 2: so I think there's options there. But again, you got
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  Speaker 2: salth Stewart that's going to be plugged into the you
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  Speaker 2: have at third base, keep Brian Hayes, who's going to
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  Speaker 2: be plugged in. So where do you put that power bat?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea. Your guess is good as mine.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they ever listened to me Kevin anyway,
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  Speaker 2: So but why don't they go out and try to
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  Speaker 2: get Pete or Suarez?
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  Speaker 3: All Right, Danny, I got a way that you can
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  Speaker 3: cross off two pieces on your to do list. Anytime
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  Speaker 3: I have a to do list, sometimes I write something
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  Speaker 3: down that I just did and I cross it off
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  Speaker 3: just to make me feel like I accomplished a lot.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to give you your our bat and your
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  Speaker 3: outpha one and it's not going to cost you what
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  Speaker 3: free agent market costs. The outfield needs that guy, and
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  Speaker 3: I think this team needs an alpha. Do the Reds
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  Speaker 3: have enough to go and trade for Byron Buxton to
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  Speaker 3: solidify that outfield because it's under market value? Or are
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  Speaker 3: the Reds not built as an organization that you know
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  Speaker 3: better than I do to do something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, that man you just got. You gave me chills
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  Speaker 2: when you said that. I don't know if you saw
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  Speaker 2: my reaction. That's pretty intense. That would be pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you there. They do need an alpha
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  Speaker 2: and Buxton, oh my gosh, he would fit perfectly. But
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  Speaker 2: what would they have to give up? You know, I
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  Speaker 2: heard you right before I came on and talks about
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  Speaker 2: Hunter Green. I know that there were kind of talks
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  Speaker 2: about that previously through the media. Will they do it
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  Speaker 2: because he's under he's under market value right now, they're
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  Speaker 2: getting him for pretty cheap. I don't know if they would,
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  Speaker 2: but if it was a chance to get Byron Buxton,
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  Speaker 2: maybe maybe they would.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I like that though.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll send that to some of the upper people
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  Speaker 2: see if they as an anonymous caller or something, see
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  Speaker 2: if they can throw that out there.
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  Speaker 3: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: Get it done, and then you're getting credit for it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't need credit for it. I'm fine. I
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  Speaker 3: don't calling me.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned Hunter Green. We've talked about the Reds rotation
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. It's one of the deepest in baseball.
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  Speaker 1: But the Reds have said, you know that they have listened,
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  Speaker 1: but don't have any intention of trading Hunter Green, who
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  Speaker 1: has three years and forty two million left on his contract.
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  Speaker 1: I guess what are you hearing from that front or
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  Speaker 1: what do you happen?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think honestly, it was just something that was
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  Speaker 2: thrown out there to see if it would stick. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they're listening to anything, because at this point
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  Speaker 2: there's really nobody on this team that you would say
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  Speaker 2: is untouchable. If there's the right deal and the right
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  Speaker 2: players offered for somebody, and it's a no brainer, I
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  Speaker 2: think you take it. But I also think Trish, you've
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  Speaker 2: been in this game long enough too, Like things get
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  Speaker 2: thrown out there like randomly, and do they really mean anything.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any like headway behind it?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: Probably not.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think Nick Kral had any intention going into
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  Speaker 2: this offseason talking about Hunter Green trades because of the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he's making so little amount of money compared
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  Speaker 2: to other number one starters. So I think it's just
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  Speaker 2: something that was thrown out there, and they kind of
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  Speaker 2: talked about it a little bit at the at the
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  Speaker 2: GM meetings, and I think that's it unless the Twins say,
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  Speaker 2: here's Byron Buxton and so and so for Hunter Green
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  Speaker 2: and so and so.
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  Speaker 1: So. Let's talk a little bit about the man in charge,
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  Speaker 1: Tito Terry Francona, and just the confidence in him to
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  Speaker 1: manage this team and give it the level of consistency
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  Speaker 1: that they want and see those regular postseason berths if
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  Speaker 1: they just add a few more pieces to that roster, Danny,
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  Speaker 1: Is that kind of what we're feeling from the Reds
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  Speaker 1: camp a little bit?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel like they're going to go out and
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  Speaker 2: spend a ton of money, because when was the last
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  Speaker 2: time they ever did. Probably never. So I think that
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna go out and Tito's gonna try to convince
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  Speaker 2: them what pieces they need to get over the hump.
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  Speaker 2: Tito didn't come here just to help rebuild or just
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  Speaker 2: to get to a one game playoff or a wild
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  Speaker 2: card playoff. Tito came to Cincinnati to win. He came
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  Speaker 2: out of retirement to win. So I think he's going
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  Speaker 2: to have a lot of say in who they go
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  Speaker 2: after and who they want to sign, and hopefully the
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  Speaker 2: owners there and you know Nick Krawl decides, hey, this
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  Speaker 2: is what we need. Let's give it a run and
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  Speaker 2: see what we can do because the city of Cincinnati
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  Speaker 2: is begging for a winner.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, to follow up on that, when they hired Tito
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  Speaker 5: to come out of retirement to do this, well, obviously
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  Speaker 5: it was to win. Was this a lot quicker than
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  Speaker 5: they kind of saw it happening? You know? Would you
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  Speaker 5: consider this year a success? Them getting the playoffs? They lost,
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  Speaker 5: you know, in the first round of the Dodgers, but
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  Speaker 5: which is a little bit quicker than most people kind
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  Speaker 5: of anticipated Tito taking over and being able to lead
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  Speaker 5: his team with the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: I see, anytime you have a Tito Francona running your team,
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  Speaker 2: you automatically think he's going to get to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Was it a little bit quick?
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  Speaker 2: I think if you look at the roster that the
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  Speaker 2: Reds have had the last couple of years with David Bell,
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  Speaker 2: They've had the pieces, but they just couldn't figure out
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  Speaker 2: how to get over that hump. They couldn't figure out
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  Speaker 2: how to just work through the dog days of September.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I think with Tito, he brings that little extra confidence
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  Speaker 2: and that where guys feel like they're really playing better
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  Speaker 2: than what they should. So I don't think they were surprised.
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  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think I was surprised because Tito. Whatever
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  Speaker 2: Tito does is not a shock to me. The guy's
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  Speaker 2: a winner.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Last question, you watched this team the whole year.
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  Speaker 3: Did the Reds make the play else or did the
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  Speaker 3: Mets lose it?
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  Speaker 2: B Yeah, so yeah, I think the Mets kind of
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  Speaker 2: like gave it away. They were so good for most
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  Speaker 2: of the year and then they just buckled under the pressure.
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  Speaker 3: The Reds.
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  Speaker 2: I think if you watched them a lot, you saw
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  Speaker 2: that they were at times really good and then at
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  Speaker 2: times they were like, oh my gosh, this team's terrible,
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  Speaker 2: and then again, oh my gosh, they're really good, and
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  Speaker 2: then wait, what is this team's identity? So I think
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  Speaker 2: they were trying to get steady towards the end. Of
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  Speaker 2: the year, and they played well the last couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 2: obviously to put that pressure on the Mets. But I do,
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day think that the Mets
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  Speaker 2: kind of choked.
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  Speaker 1: I would have to agree with that take, Danny. I
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  Speaker 1: think that, Thank you, thank.
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  Speaker 3: You, I was hoping for somebody to agree.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks to I very much agree with that take.
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  Speaker 1: And I got a soft spot for the Reds in
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  Speaker 1: my heart because I grew up in southern Indiana, so
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  Speaker 1: I grew up watching them. But I agree with that take.
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  Speaker 1: The Mets lost that chance, all right, Danny. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much, and don't forget to catch Riverfront Territory with
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  Speaker 1: Danny on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts.