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Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast and
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Speaker 1: the off season. Today is Wednesday, February twenty First JP Shadwick,
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Speaker 1: John Osier from the HOUNDAI Studios at the Miller Electric
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Speaker 1: Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks joining us today from Yeoman Stadium,
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Speaker 1: New Orleans, Louisiana, ahead of the HBCU Legacy Bowl this week.
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Speaker 1: Good afternoon of year. Fuck, what's on?
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Speaker 2: What's up? Man? What's happening? Man? We look another week
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Speaker 2: in the books.
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Speaker 3: I mean it's the start of the new season. Optimism
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Speaker 3: is a bound. We got franchise tags and stuff that's
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Speaker 3: gobout to pop off and combine on the horizon.
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Speaker 2: I'm excited about it.
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Speaker 4: Bucky, do you find right to the combine from from
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Speaker 4: New Orleans?
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Speaker 2: Oh? No, no, no, I gotta go back on.
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Speaker 3: That's that's a lot of days at days on the road, right, Dude,
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Speaker 3: Like I'm a grind it, but now I ain't trying
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Speaker 3: to grind like that.
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Speaker 2: That's a lot.
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Speaker 1: He's got to get those flight miles in. I mean,
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Speaker 1: come on, he's got.
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Speaker 3: To maintain a stam man trying trying to try and
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Speaker 3: trying to maintain status.
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Speaker 4: So you're just blowing off the early days of the combine.
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Speaker 2: Man, I mean the early days. I mean the combine
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Speaker 2: is different than it used to be. But I get there,
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Speaker 2: I get plenty. I kept plenty of days in.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a full plate to Bucky next week.
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Speaker 1: We'll get to that in just a little while. We're
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Speaker 1: Fieldsauto dot Com. Well, there's not a lot happening right now.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot that could happen in the next couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks or so, but nothing has happened yet. It
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Speaker 1: is tag time though. The window opened on Tuesday and
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Speaker 1: it runs through March fifth, to apply the franchise or
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Speaker 1: transition tag to players. Josh Allen the most likely candidate.
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Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley's name has been thrown around that as well,
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Speaker 1: but nothing as of right now has happened. So no
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Speaker 1: news is no news, Bucky. It's what it is. But
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Speaker 1: it feels like something's gonna happen, either a tag or
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Speaker 1: a D or one of those two.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, one of those things, like the vehicle is open
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Speaker 3: for the team to use the tag. If they want
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Speaker 3: to utilize the tag, you would like to think that
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Speaker 3: they're gonna try and negotiate see if they can get something.
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Speaker 2: Done, because if you get that done, then.
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Speaker 3: It gives you the opportunity to use the tag in
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Speaker 3: other ways if you want to use the on Cavin
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Speaker 3: Ridley or whatever. So hopefully they're beginning to have conversations
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Speaker 3: and talks and maybe that those talks will accelerate quickly
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Speaker 3: when you get a deal done. If not, then it
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Speaker 3: comes down to with Josh Allen. Okay, you want to
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Speaker 3: retain them on the tag, and then you have to
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Speaker 3: negotiate elsewhere. Hopefully we can find a happy medium where
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Speaker 3: the player and the team are both satisfied what to do.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would expect this gives us sort of a
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Speaker 4: time frame. We'll here something on Josh Allen, but I
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Speaker 4: would think by March fifth, because you're either gonna tag
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Speaker 4: them or they're gonna sign them. So I don't much
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Speaker 4: like always is the case, or much like it's often
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Speaker 4: the case with these sorts of negotiations. It's not surprising
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Speaker 4: that the there is no news, But I don't know
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Speaker 4: if no news is good news or bad news. I
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Speaker 4: think it's just we can speculate. We assume that they're talking,
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Speaker 4: we assume that there's a chance to get something worked out.
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Speaker 4: But I don't have a real feel for this one.
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Speaker 4: So that's not great radio or podcasting or whatever. But
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Speaker 4: I don't really have a gut either way, except except
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Speaker 4: I'm sure Josh Allen be on the team.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and they've said that. That's all you
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Speaker 1: can go off of what they've said. I mean, Trent
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Speaker 1: Balkey said that in the press conference he's not going anywhere,
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Speaker 1: and Josh Allen said that in the locker room after
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Speaker 1: the season that he wants to be here. So at
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Speaker 1: some point they'll figure out a way to make that happen, right,
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Speaker 1: I guess, I mean they should, And it feels like
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Speaker 1: that's the case. By the way, the number, the full
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Speaker 1: numbers on franchise tag numbers come out after restricted free
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Speaker 1: agency is over, but defensive ends Bucky and the ballpark
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Speaker 1: of around twenty million dollars linebackers just under twenty three
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Speaker 1: million dollars at the moment, so this is kind of
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Speaker 1: where that would land.
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Speaker 3: I suppose, yeah, land right over twenty million dollar mark
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Speaker 3: for Josh Allen that used to be old quarterback money.
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Speaker 3: It will put him in the high cotton when you
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Speaker 3: think about like some of the top pass rushers and stuff,
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Speaker 3: that thing is escalating is getting up there. When it
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Speaker 3: comes to the number, I think Aaron Donald right now
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Speaker 3: is the highest paid at the position well as a
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Speaker 3: pass rusher at thirty million. But yeah, when you talk
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Speaker 3: about twenty million dollars and trying to negotiate it and
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Speaker 3: what it could go, I mean, it's gonna be a
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Speaker 3: hefty payday for Josh Allen. He deserves it do coming
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Speaker 3: off the season that he had last year. He had
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Speaker 3: to kind of play it on a standpoint. He proved it,
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Speaker 3: so then you gotta figure out a way to pay him.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't honestly have a gut over how
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Speaker 4: that'll play out. I'm hoping that he plays for a
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Speaker 4: long term deal, but there's been nothing to really indicate
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Speaker 4: that way or the other. So I think I think
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Speaker 4: everybody who's who's speculating is speculating based on not much.
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Speaker 4: So it's gonna mean it's gonna be an interesting couple
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Speaker 4: of weeks on that front.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a look a little bit of the history
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Speaker 1: of the Jaguars using the franchise tag, and this has
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Speaker 1: been reported and discussed over the years on different websites
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Speaker 1: and things. The latest John Shipley of Sports Illustrated this
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Speaker 1: week had the latest breakdown of what the Jags have
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Speaker 1: done historically with the franchise tag, and they've used it
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Speaker 1: in ten different instances, and in six of those instances
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Speaker 1: it was a long term deal before the following season happened.
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Speaker 1: Three of those players at three of those instances played
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Speaker 1: under the tag number that year and then one was
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Speaker 1: tagged and traded. So Brackens in two thousand signed a
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Speaker 1: long term deal. The defensive end, of course, Donovan Darius
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Speaker 1: was franchise tag three years in a row three oh four,
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Speaker 1: oh five played under the TAGO three and oh four
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Speaker 1: or sign a long term deal before the five season,
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Speaker 1: then was injured so many times and out. And then
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Speaker 1: twenty eleven Mercedes Lewis tied end signed a long term
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Speaker 1: deal before that season. Josh Scobie, your guy John I
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Speaker 1: signed a long term deal before the season the kicker,
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Speaker 1: and then in twenty twenty Youniken Gotway was traded to
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Speaker 1: the Vikings before the season. A tag and trade that
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Speaker 1: was never gonna go down in twenty twenty, so he
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Speaker 1: was out of here. Cam Robinson played on the tag
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one and then sign a long term
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Speaker 1: deal before the twenty two season, so he was tagged
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Speaker 1: twice and then last year Evan Ingram signed that long
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Speaker 1: term deal. So in most instances, Bucky, they figure it out.
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Speaker 1: I mean that's especially from Josh Allen's perspective. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's still kind of a one year proven deal. You'd
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Speaker 1: rather have that security long term, I would guess at.
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Speaker 2: Least yeah, you would. You would like to have the
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Speaker 2: long term security.
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Speaker 3: And I was saying that he can't go out and
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Speaker 3: put up numbers like he did this year, but it fluctuates.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to put up tumble.
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Speaker 3: Jgit sacked numbers back to back years, and if he
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Speaker 3: had to play on the tag again, that's what he
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Speaker 3: would be kind of tasked with doing to see if
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Speaker 3: he continue to get the.
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Speaker 2: Kind of money that he wants.
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Speaker 3: Hopefully the team rewards him just because of not only
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Speaker 3: because of the player that he is, but the person
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Speaker 3: that he is in the locker room, the leadership ability,
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Speaker 3: the way that he's represented the franchise.
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Speaker 2: In a perfect world, when you're a team you.
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Speaker 3: Like to draft your guys high, you like them to
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Speaker 3: play at the level of Josh Allen's play.
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Speaker 2: Then you want to retain them.
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Speaker 3: And so if you talk about being a draft and
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Speaker 3: developed team, well, when you develop them where they play
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Speaker 3: at a high level, you certainly want to make sure
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Speaker 3: you keep those guys because they should form the nucleus
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Speaker 3: of your squad.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've said over and over again, I think Josh
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Speaker 4: is a It's never easy to pay a guy what
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Speaker 4: he's going to be paid, but to me, it's a
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Speaker 4: relatively safe signing because even when he's not high sacked guy,
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Speaker 4: he's a good player and I think his floor is
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Speaker 4: very high. When he had seven and a half sacks,
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Speaker 4: everybody's disappointed and he was still I thought, the best
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Speaker 4: defensive player on the team in twenty twenty two. That
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Speaker 4: would have been so to me. Gms that I've known
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Speaker 4: over the years, when they sign a guy to that
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Speaker 4: long term deal, they want to put their head on
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Speaker 4: the pillow that night and know he's not going to
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Speaker 4: just completely crap out on him. And to me, Bucky,
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Speaker 4: from a team's point of view, Josh is relatively safe
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Speaker 4: on that front. You can't always control your sack numbers
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Speaker 4: as an outside linebacker, but you can control pressure effort,
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Speaker 4: good guy against the run, being stout, all those things.
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Speaker 4: He's a solid over overall player. To me, that makes
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Speaker 4: him pretty safe on this front.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, really safe.
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Speaker 3: Look, I don't think there's any risk involved in signing
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Speaker 3: Josh Allen and keeping him there.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a great guy, he's a great leader.
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Speaker 3: We saw what he was able to do with his
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Speaker 3: backup against the wall, and I think what people have
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Speaker 3: done last year he had to play without a capable
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Speaker 3: backup behind him, meaning Josh Allen log more snaps, was
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Speaker 3: in on more pass rush attempts than really most number
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Speaker 3: one guys are because normally you have a swing player,
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Speaker 3: another player that can kind of take some of that
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Speaker 3: off of them. But he and trayvond Walker had to
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Speaker 3: stay out there all the time, and what they did
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Speaker 3: is they got better. And so now that you know
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Speaker 3: that he can be an every down player, he has
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Speaker 3: competitive stamina, he's ready to be a player that can
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Speaker 3: play all four quarters. They continue to get better over
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Speaker 3: the course of a long season. To me, is just
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Speaker 3: trying to find the number that fits.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And we don't need today to get into the
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Speaker 1: history of first round draft picks for this organization that
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Speaker 1: do not return after their rookie deal. There is a
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Speaker 1: long term issue for the organization. But Josh Allen, if
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Speaker 1: he can get something done, would put that to a
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Speaker 1: stop and moving forward. And as from an organizational perspective,
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Speaker 1: you've got to have those cornerstone guys. They haven't been
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Speaker 1: able to get him to a second deal.
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Speaker 4: A lot well, and you've got a chance signed Josh.
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Speaker 4: They're not gonna sign anybody from the twenty twenty draft,
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Speaker 4: but sign Josh. Get Trevor done. Trayvon to me looks
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Speaker 4: like a guy who in some capacity has a very
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Speaker 4: real chance to be a long term guy. Anton Harrison
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Speaker 4: has a chance to be a long term guy. You know,
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Speaker 4: you never know with a Trayvon. You know that's two
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Speaker 4: or three years out. Who knows how numbers shake out
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Speaker 4: all that stuff.
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Speaker 1: A good step in the right direction.
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Speaker 4: Right, and but you have a chance to retain and
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Speaker 4: have retainable guys. Travis etn another first round picking that
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Speaker 4: has worked out. You know, you have a chance to
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Speaker 4: turn that perception that JP is talking about around and
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Speaker 4: Josh Allen would be the first guy potentially in a
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Speaker 4: really long run. Do all those guys resign?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: Can a good percentage of them resign? It certainly looks
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Speaker 4: like that's the case, which is a good step forward.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it will be a good step forward if you
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Speaker 3: bring some of those guys back. It's just really important
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Speaker 3: the messages to send to the locker room. If you're
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Speaker 3: you're a team that talks about family and you value
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Speaker 3: homegrown guys, well, you have to show with the team
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Speaker 3: that you really value that.
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Speaker 2: It's one thing to say that, that's another thing to
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Speaker 2: do it.
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Speaker 3: And when you take a player, you draft a player,
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Speaker 3: that player plays well for you, he should get played
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Speaker 3: because you want to. You want to keep those guys
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Speaker 3: in the fold as your nucleus formed the foundation of
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Speaker 3: a championship program. If you don't do it, it just sends
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Speaker 3: a bad message to the locker room.
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Speaker 2: I think this is one that has to get done.
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Speaker 2: I hopefully it gets done something.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, final thought, JP, I think Jazz has a chance
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Speaker 4: to be on the wall someday, you know, and that's
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Speaker 4: still got some going to do. I mean, but two
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Speaker 4: time pro bowler now it will be the all time
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Speaker 4: sack leader if he continues at this sort of pace,
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Speaker 4: if he plays his career, it's easy to see that
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Speaker 4: he has he has a chance to be an all timer.
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Speaker 4: And uh he has a chance to be an all
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Speaker 4: timer community guy, an all timer in a lot of ways.
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Speaker 4: Uh so, Yeah, now, much more to be said.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: Moving ahead now, the coaching staff announcement has not happened,
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Speaker 1: as if the recording of this podcast, so we're still
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Speaker 1: waiting on that here. From the defensive coordinator Ryan Nielson
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Speaker 1: last week, it sounded like they had guys in place,
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Speaker 1: they just haven't announced it yet. And it's a week ago,
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Speaker 1: so it could be any moment. Who knows. Off season program,
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Speaker 1: of course, begins mid April. At some point you're gonna
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Speaker 1: start cutting players if you're gonna trim some of this
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Speaker 1: salary cap down and have room for some of these signings.
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Speaker 1: Free agency begins in mid March, March thirteenth, Bucky, So.
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Speaker 2: We got time. We got time.
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Speaker 3: Can we talk about because I don't think we had
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Speaker 3: a chance to talk about Nielson hadn't spoken by the
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Speaker 3: time we were on the last pod, Right, do we
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Speaker 3: talk about him?
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this.
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Speaker 3: I was really impressed with what he laid out in
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Speaker 3: his vision for how he thinks the team will play
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Speaker 3: on that side of the ball.
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Speaker 2: I like the fact that he was trying.
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Speaker 3: To take a more colaborative approach with he and all
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Speaker 3: the defensive coaches.
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Speaker 2: I like how he just.
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Speaker 3: Talked about playing fast, being able to get after it.
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Speaker 3: But to me, it sounded like kind of a control
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Speaker 3: chaos approach. We talked about not allowing the ball to
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Speaker 3: fly over the top of the defense, but guys have
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Speaker 3: to be able to tackle. You got to be able
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Speaker 3: to do it, and so it sounds without seeing it
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Speaker 3: but the picture that he kind of painted is one
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Speaker 3: where the corners on the outside are going to be
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Speaker 3: locked up, press man the man to take away the
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Speaker 3: easy throws, but they're going to do it with sound
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Speaker 3: technique to not give up the deep throws. And then
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Speaker 3: he's gonna try and find a way to ratchet up
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Speaker 3: the pressure in a variety different ways with pressure and
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Speaker 3: with some traditional four man rushes. So I think this
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Speaker 3: defense if everyone can get on board and the perimeter
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Speaker 3: guys can hold up the corners, meaning I think he
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Speaker 3: has a chance to really be a fun defense to
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Speaker 3: watch because I know they're gonna play fast and another
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Speaker 3: physical and he has a lot of juice and a
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Speaker 3: lot of energy.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully that will kind of carry on to the players.
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Speaker 4: Do you worry Bucky at all about you know, you
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Speaker 4: know what it was, and I know we got rid
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Speaker 4: of the last staff, so it wasn't good enough, but
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Speaker 4: it was a really good defense at creating turnovers, and
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Speaker 4: when his team was good, it did that very well.
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Speaker 4: Do you worry about that translating from scheme to scheme?
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Speaker 4: I mean, I know it's a hard turnovers are hard
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Speaker 4: to analyze anyway, but do you worry about that translating
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Speaker 4: scheme to scheme or not, or is there anything to that.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's definitely something to it. I will say
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Speaker 3: what they were trying to do in terms of the turnovers.
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Speaker 3: When you play zone coverage and you kind of play
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Speaker 3: off and you have your eyes on the quarterback, more
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Speaker 3: vision on the quarterback, you're more likely to get interception
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Speaker 3: because you see the ball come.
17:48
Speaker 2: Out of the hand and you're able to react.
17:51
Speaker 3: When you play more man to man, your back is
17:52
Speaker 3: to the defense, your back is to the quarterback, and
17:55
Speaker 3: so you see the ball late, which means more pass
17:58
Speaker 3: breakups than those things. But honestly, lead turnovers are an
18:01
Speaker 3: attitude in a mindset. It is about always pursuing the ball,
18:05
Speaker 3: always poking and prodding and yanking at the ball, and
18:09
Speaker 3: just kind of being relentless when it comes to knocking
18:12
Speaker 3: the ball away and taking advantage of the opportunities to
18:14
Speaker 3: present themselves when the quarterback overthrows it or you can
18:17
Speaker 3: step in front of an intended receiver.
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Speaker 2: I don't expect that to change.
18:22
Speaker 3: I just think stylistically this defense would change.
18:25
Speaker 2: I would anticipate that.
18:28
Speaker 3: The number one thing they're gonna try and do is
18:30
Speaker 3: they can try and get lined up so you don't
18:32
Speaker 3: have any egurigious areas in terms of just busting coverages
18:35
Speaker 3: busting plays because you don't know how to line up.
18:38
Speaker 2: Everyone knows their assignment and then they can play.
18:40
Speaker 3: If it becomes a defense where it's about the player's
18:44
Speaker 3: talents and not so much about this game, well then
18:47
Speaker 3: you have a chance to be really good because it
18:49
Speaker 3: means everyone's on the same page and now is our
18:51
Speaker 3: guys are better than your guys.
18:53
Speaker 2: Let's go get it done.
18:54
Speaker 4: I mean I have asked this already, Bucky, But to me,
18:58
Speaker 4: a huge key is can they figure Devin Lloyd out?
19:02
Speaker 4: And he was good at times last year? I thought
19:05
Speaker 4: he was good early and then struggled late. Your understand
19:10
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like you basically want to take
19:12
Speaker 4: Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen and just say, hey, can
19:16
Speaker 4: you do what you've already been doing and just not
19:20
Speaker 4: mess that up? But how do you unlock to use
19:23
Speaker 4: that phrase that I hate, but how do you get
19:26
Speaker 4: Devin Lloyd right?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 3: I think this would be a research project for the
19:33
Speaker 3: new coaching staff to not only look at what Devin
19:35
Speaker 3: Lloyd has done his first two years in Jacksonville, but
19:38
Speaker 3: to go back and take a peek at what he
19:39
Speaker 3: did at Utah and see if there's a way where
19:41
Speaker 3: you can kind of maild some of the things that
19:44
Speaker 3: he did in Utah and photos into the scheme that
19:46
Speaker 3: you're going to do. Because as much as we want
19:49
Speaker 3: to talk about the x'es and o's, it really comes
19:51
Speaker 3: down to the jimmies and Joe's and can you put
19:53
Speaker 3: your jimmies and Joe's in a position to make plays.
19:56
Speaker 3: So Devin Lloyd's expected to be one of the blue
19:58
Speaker 3: chip players. The thing that you have to do is
20:01
Speaker 3: ask him to do the things that he does really well.
20:03
Speaker 3: Based on what I saw from him in Utah, he
20:05
Speaker 3: did a really good job of being a sea ball
20:07
Speaker 3: gutball player. He was really good when he was freed
20:10
Speaker 3: up to rush the passer, whether from depth or off
20:13
Speaker 3: the edges. I would anticipate him playing more forward than
20:17
Speaker 3: going back, and then figure out a way to build
20:19
Speaker 3: the rest of the stuff around what he does, what
20:22
Speaker 3: Josh Allen does, and what tradebon Walker does.
20:25
Speaker 1: So huddle up podcasts that's Bucky Brooks, Shuanozer, and JP
20:28
Speaker 1: Shadwick And next week the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis,
20:34
Speaker 1: will be on the ground Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday at Radio
20:37
Speaker 1: Row at the Indiana Convention Center, and the testing begins
20:41
Speaker 1: I think late in the week. You, Bucky, you'll be
20:44
Speaker 1: there at some point whenever you're private there, whenever your
20:48
Speaker 1: private jet arrive. Yeah, I mean, he is the king
20:51
Speaker 1: of the combine.
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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it.
20:54
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to continue to sit on my throne.
20:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Doug Peterson and Trent Balke last we've
21:01
Speaker 1: heard our schedule to speak to the media at the
21:04
Speaker 1: podium Tuesday. The times probably mid daysh noon, twelve thirty
21:10
Speaker 1: somewhere in that window. That's still a little bit subject
21:12
Speaker 1: to change. But whenever they speak, of course, we'll have
21:15
Speaker 1: it for you live. We'll have all the recaps and
21:17
Speaker 1: things on Jaguars dot Com. Special guests already being booked
21:20
Speaker 1: for Radio Row Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday, including a lot of
21:25
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. We're gonna have jags am on Wednesday, We're
21:28
Speaker 1: gonna have a have You radio on Thursday up there
21:31
Speaker 1: in Indy, and all kinds of stuff going on. So, Hey, Bucky,
21:34
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna be around for the testing and
21:36
Speaker 1: stuff later. We're gonna leave before a lot of that
21:38
Speaker 1: happens and not get to see which of it. A
21:42
Speaker 1: question for the scout and analyst, what position, what position
21:46
Speaker 1: group are you most excited to see test later in
21:49
Speaker 1: the week in.
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Speaker 2: Indy, Okay.
21:51
Speaker 3: So from a personal standpoint, were we take off our
21:54
Speaker 3: Jaguars hat, I would say the most exciting position to
21:57
Speaker 3: see tests, I want to see the wide receivers. It's
21:59
Speaker 3: one of the deepest Wars classes that we've seen, not
22:01
Speaker 3: necessarily just at the top, but throughout the first three rounds.
22:05
Speaker 3: You can find plenty of playmakers, plenty of guys that
22:07
Speaker 3: can make things happen, whether it's traditional, polished route runners,
22:11
Speaker 3: whether as catching run specialists. There are a lot of
22:13
Speaker 3: guys in this class that can get it done. The
22:15
Speaker 3: second most intriguing position for me would be either cornerback
22:20
Speaker 3: or the offensive tackle class. Both classes and those respects
22:24
Speaker 3: and positions are deep.
22:26
Speaker 2: There are starters to be had, whether in the first
22:28
Speaker 2: round or second round.
22:31
Speaker 3: The dbs are really intriguing because if we think about
22:33
Speaker 3: from a Jaguar standpoint, what could happen, what you may
22:36
Speaker 3: need look. I think Tyson Cambell and Darius Williams are
22:40
Speaker 3: entering the last years of their respective deals. So does
22:43
Speaker 3: that mean that you need to start thinking about not
22:45
Speaker 3: only fortifying the depth, but maybe finding potential replacements, Because
22:50
Speaker 3: if Trevor Lawrence gets paid, it changes the way that
22:52
Speaker 3: you have to allocate the resources elsewhere, and that means
22:55
Speaker 3: you might have to have more draft and develop guys
22:57
Speaker 3: on the defense side of the ball. So I want
22:59
Speaker 3: to see what the corner position looks like. And then
23:01
Speaker 3: offensive line with the offensive tackles really good group. I
23:05
Speaker 3: mean a ton of first rounders that are available, but also
23:08
Speaker 3: the interior. I have some guys that are really really interesting,
23:12
Speaker 3: and I know there's been some conversation about the Jaguars
23:15
Speaker 3: upgrading the inside part of that offensive line. There are
23:19
Speaker 3: plenty of guys that can play, plenty of guys that
23:21
Speaker 3: are plugging play options.
23:22
Speaker 2: So maybe, just maybe I'll take a long look at
23:24
Speaker 2: those guys.
23:25
Speaker 4: See I maintain JP and BUCkies argued off air with
23:29
Speaker 4: me by this a little bit before. I don't think
23:31
Speaker 4: you'll ever see a class again that doesn't have great
23:34
Speaker 4: wide receivers. I think the game, oh no, I think
23:36
Speaker 4: the game has changed high school passing camps, college, whatever.
23:42
Speaker 4: So I wonder how you even differentiated anymore. I mean,
23:44
Speaker 4: it just seems like it's always going to be a
23:46
Speaker 4: deep draft. You always have athletic guys from Florida, Texas,
23:49
Speaker 4: California who can run, and now that they're playing the
23:52
Speaker 4: sport earlier, they're all going to be more developed.
23:55
Speaker 2: There are going to be more development.
23:56
Speaker 3: I think John is so interesting because when you look
23:59
Speaker 3: at the our receiver position, you do not have to
24:02
Speaker 3: take all wide receiver in the first round to get
24:05
Speaker 3: a guy that can be a number one type playmaker.
24:07
Speaker 3: I think the Kuka Nakua and what he was able
24:10
Speaker 3: to do for the La Rams. He's the fifth round pick,
24:13
Speaker 3: made plays. We saw it early in the year. Week two,
24:15
Speaker 3: we played the Houston Texans Tankdale Goes Bananas. He was
24:18
Speaker 3: a third round pick and really, prior to his injury
24:21
Speaker 3: for the Texans, he and Nico Collins were kind of
24:24
Speaker 3: sharing the marquee as their top playmakers.
24:27
Speaker 2: There are plenty of guys that can do that.
24:29
Speaker 3: You just have to know exactly what you want and
24:31
Speaker 3: you have to know how you want to utilize them
24:33
Speaker 3: when you bring them in the building.
24:35
Speaker 1: But if Marvin Harrison's searing you in the face and
24:38
Speaker 1: you have the pick. It's hard not to take the big, long, tall, fast,
24:43
Speaker 1: strong son of a hall of.
24:44
Speaker 2: Fame, is no, it is hard.
24:46
Speaker 3: Now the conversation is gonna be really interesting with Marvin
24:49
Speaker 3: Harrison Junior, Rome Adunza, and Malik Neighbors. All of those
24:54
Speaker 3: guys are well regarded, highly thought of in the scouting community,
24:58
Speaker 3: and there's some don't necessarily have Marvin Harrison Junior as
25:02
Speaker 3: the unanimous choice as the number one wide receiver.
25:05
Speaker 2: How will these guys work out?
25:07
Speaker 3: But they look like how they interview and tests will
25:10
Speaker 3: go a long way determining if Marvin Harrison Junior is
25:12
Speaker 3: gonna be the pick when it comes down to take
25:14
Speaker 3: the first wide receiver off the ward.
25:17
Speaker 4: Would be ironic because if the Jaguars had a chance
25:20
Speaker 4: to draft Marvin Harrison Jr. And he didn't talk to
25:23
Speaker 4: me for ten years.
25:27
Speaker 2: Two, I mean, wow, you know I would.
25:31
Speaker 3: I would probably say that if you somehow found his
25:34
Speaker 3: way to Jacksonville, I'm sure Senior will probably say, Hey, guys, look,
25:38
Speaker 3: I want you to be very friendly with all the personnel.
25:40
Speaker 2: Put that guy over there, that old shit got we
25:43
Speaker 2: gonna steer clear of him. Your word, it's funny.
25:46
Speaker 4: I got along great with Marvin. He he was all
25:50
Speaker 4: I always enjoyed being around Marvin. He just did not
25:53
Speaker 4: talk to anybody, man. I mean, he did not do
25:55
Speaker 4: the media, and I think I did. I think I
25:58
Speaker 4: covered him ten years and I think I'd talked to
26:02
Speaker 4: him for the record like three times four. I mean,
26:05
Speaker 4: just maybe underestimating that. But wasn't this thing so But
26:11
Speaker 4: my impression is Marvin Harrison Junior is much more comfortable
26:15
Speaker 4: with me. And Marvin just didn't like doing it. I mean,
26:16
Speaker 4: it wasn't necessarily that he had beefs with the media,
26:20
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. He just wasn't comfortable with it
26:22
Speaker 4: and didn't like doing it and wasn't and took the
26:26
Speaker 4: strategy of purposely being really bad at it when he talked,
26:30
Speaker 4: so nobody really wanted to talk to him anyways. He
26:31
Speaker 4: wouldn't say anything. So but it deserved Hall of Famer
26:35
Speaker 4: and his kid's great.
26:37
Speaker 1: But I know Bucky probably had a parallelis of Tom
26:40
Speaker 1: Cleats right when you played.
26:42
Speaker 3: Uh No, it doesn't look too flashy for me, you
26:44
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like this looks too looks too
26:46
Speaker 3: flash for me. I like a little more understated style.
26:48
Speaker 3: But I can get it, you know. I mean I
26:50
Speaker 3: can get behind Margaret Harrison Junior doing it. Because sometimes, man,
26:53
Speaker 3: when you got a flamboyant game, you wanted to make
26:56
Speaker 3: sure that the close matchup won't be appropriate.
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I guess so.
27:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you play out wide, Look, it's about commanding intention.
27:10
Speaker 3: You're so far from the ball, you don't touch the
27:12
Speaker 3: ball all the time. You want to be noticed. You
27:14
Speaker 3: want to be noticed for something, and that's one way
27:16
Speaker 3: to do it. The footwear, the Louis Vautons on the cleats,
27:20
Speaker 3: that was a very impressive look.
27:22
Speaker 2: I think he also had to watch too. I think
27:24
Speaker 2: he was one of those guys that.
27:25
Speaker 1: He was wearing a watch during the game, one of
27:28
Speaker 1: the games Apple Watch.
27:29
Speaker 3: I mean, you got into a time. It's got to
27:31
Speaker 3: be able to get on and off the field. We
27:32
Speaker 3: got things to do after the game.
27:34
Speaker 2: JP.
27:34
Speaker 1: You know the Louis Vutan cleats. The Michigan defense noticed it.
27:39
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah they did. They talked about it. They
27:42
Speaker 3: talked about, you can't be tough. We've got that Louis.
27:44
Speaker 2: The Louis Vauton stuff walking around.
27:47
Speaker 1: Punched him in the face.
27:48
Speaker 4: I wonder if he's the UH for the son of
27:53
Speaker 4: a Hall of famer? Will he be the highest drafted.
27:59
Speaker 2: Player?
28:01
Speaker 1: Long?
28:01
Speaker 2: Maybe?
28:01
Speaker 1: How he's kid?
28:03
Speaker 2: He wait, wait no, that's right. Yeah, yeah, is Archie
28:07
Speaker 2: Man in the Hall of Fame?
28:09
Speaker 4: But Long, okay, Long is probably it's just.
28:13
Speaker 2: Because Chris Long, because Chris Long was too overall.
28:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think I think it's remarkable. That's got
28:18
Speaker 4: to be hard. I mean a lot of pressure coming up,
28:21
Speaker 4: and you can say you're blessed with jeans, but you
28:23
Speaker 4: still got to work to get there, and so it's
28:26
Speaker 4: a remarkable thing to be able to do.
28:27
Speaker 1: So anyway, Yeah, all right, So next week, Combine, Indy
28:33
Speaker 1: Bucky will see you every single day and then you
28:37
Speaker 1: can't wait, get ready.
28:39
Speaker 3: I can't wait, man, I'm looking forward to it. Oh, John, John,
28:41
Speaker 3: I want you to take your positive pials. It's gonna
28:43
Speaker 3: be all positivity when we're on the show.
28:46
Speaker 4: Pills.
28:47
Speaker 1: What's in a positive phill? I don't even want to know.
28:49
Speaker 2: Got.
28:53
Speaker 3: Just I just wanted to take some positive pills. The
28:55
Speaker 3: league calendar is about the flip is a new year.
28:58
Speaker 3: We can put the pass on. Whatever last year was
29:00
Speaker 3: is gone. Our eyes are forward. We're talking about Super
29:03
Speaker 3: Bowl fifty nine.
29:04
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use that line a lot, and all these
29:06
Speaker 1: interviews we have to do. No, no, the eyes are four.
29:10
Speaker 1: They're not looking back.
29:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, as are for they're looking back.
29:14
Speaker 1: Bucky.
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Speaker 2: We'll see you next week, all right, that should be fun.
29:17
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks in New Orleans, John Ozier, J P. Shaddick
29:21
Speaker 1: or thanks to David Choe and Joe Fortunado, and thanks
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Speaker 1: to you for listening to the Huddle Up Podcast