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Reacting to MURDERED: Karina Holmer · True Crime Reactions

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Speaker 1: Imagine your absolute worst day, like your deepest, darkest, most
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Speaker 1: unimaginably horrific tragedy. Now imagine that event being meticulously boiled
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Speaker 1: down into a thirty one minute audio file labeled with
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Speaker 1: this cheerful clean rating for family friendly algorithms, right, totally sanitized, exactly,
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Speaker 1: and occasionally interrupted by an upbeat advertisement for I don't know,
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Speaker 1: a mattress company or a meal kit. Yeah, if you're
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Speaker 1: listening to us right now, you probably clicked a play
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Speaker 1: button next to some metadata on your screen. You know
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Speaker 1: you are already inside the exact ecosystem we're going to
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Speaker 1: dissect today, because we aren't looking at a crime scene.
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Speaker 1: We are looking at a podcast description.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're examining the invisible architecture of modern digital consumption
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Speaker 2: because I mean, you read a blurb, you hit play,
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Speaker 2: and you rarely stop to consider the staggering amount of
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Speaker 2: like narrative engineering going on. Oh for sure, the legal
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Speaker 2: liability management of the algorithmic optimization, all just packed into
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Speaker 2: those two hundred words of text.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack that. Because our mission today is unlike
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Speaker 1: anything we've done before. We are doing a microscopic deconstruction
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Speaker 1: of the metadata. The show notes and the episode description
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Speaker 1: of a very specific release. It's a twenty eighteen episode
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Speaker 1: from the Audio Chuck Network under the Crime Junkie brand,
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Speaker 1: hosted by Ashley Flowers and Britt Pray. What and the
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Speaker 1: subject of their thirty one minute episode is the nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety six cold case of Karina Homer. She was a
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Speaker 1: woman murdered in Boston. But and this is key, we
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Speaker 1: don't have police files today, we don't have autopsy reports.
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Speaker 1: We're looking exclusively at how this tragedy was packaged for
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Speaker 1: you know, the consumer. We're exploring that weird collision of
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Speaker 1: visceral human horror and hyper efficient digital commerce.
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Speaker 2: It is a masterclass intention to yeah, most Kiah, because
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Speaker 2: the text we have forces the most chaotic, messy, terrifying
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Speaker 2: aspects of the human experience into these rigid, sterile containers
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Speaker 2: the text boxes right, exactly the containers required by global
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Speaker 2: tech platforms like Apple or Spotify. When you analyze just
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Speaker 2: the text of this description, you uncover a literal blueprint
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Speaker 2: for how tragedy is commodified.
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Speaker 1: And what a strange blueprint it is, because like the
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Speaker 1: text immediately roots us in a very specific time and place,
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Speaker 1: anchoring the whole narrative. Before the horror even begins, it
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Speaker 1: states this takes place in Boston in nineteen ninety six.
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Speaker 1: It calls the event quote one of the most brutal
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Speaker 1: and now notorious murders of their city.
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Speaker 2: Highly notorious.
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Speaker 1: But then the very next sentence creates its wild friction.
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Speaker 1: It says, over twenty years later, not many people outside
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Speaker 1: of Boston know the name.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I stumbled over that, because I mean, how can a
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Speaker 1: crime be mathematically notorious but simultaneously invisible.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is how that paradox perfectly captures the
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Speaker 2: sociology of memory in a pre digital world.
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Speaker 1: Okay, say more about that.
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Speaker 2: Well, the text is leveraging the geographical containment of trauma.
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Speaker 1: Explain the mechanics of that, though, because today a brutal
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Speaker 1: crime trends globally on X or two talk in like
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Speaker 1: twelve minutes, oh instantly, Yeah, it doesn't stay contained to
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Speaker 1: his zip code, It's everywhere precisely.
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Speaker 2: Today, trauma is decentralized by the Internet. The entire globe
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Speaker 2: participates in the horror simultaneously. But nineteen ninety six is
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Speaker 2: an intensely analog era. It is a pre smartphone, pre
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Speaker 2: ubiquitous CCTV, pre social media landscape. Information moved physically.
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Speaker 1: Back then, like literally on trucks.
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Speaker 2: Literally on trucks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It moved through newspapers printed on broadsheet thrown onto local driveways.
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Speaker 2: It moved through localized television signals broadcast at six pm
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Speaker 2: and eleven PM to antennas within you know, fifty mile radius.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So for a crime to be notorious in nineteen
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Speaker 2: ninety six Boston meant it dominated the specific physical geography
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Speaker 2: of that city. Yeah, the trauma was a shared local burden.
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Speaker 1: So it's almost like a localized ghost story, like a
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Speaker 1: civic boogeyman.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: The people in Boston felt it viscerally because it happened
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Speaker 1: on their physical streets. But if you lived in Chicago
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Speaker 1: or Seattle, the signal literally couldn't.
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Speaker 2: Reach, you'd never know.
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Speaker 1: So the podcast description is basically acting as a cultural excavator.
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Speaker 1: They are saying, Hey, we found a fossil of terror
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Speaker 1: that got trapped in the amber of nineteen ninety six Boston,
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Speaker 1: and we are breaking it open for the rest of you.
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Speaker 2: Oh, they're positioning themselves as arbiters of hidden lore. But
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Speaker 2: look at how they introduce the subject of that law.
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Speaker 2: The text does not begin with who she was as
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Speaker 2: an individual. You know, her personality or her aspirations.
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Speaker 1: Right. It doesn't give her a bio.
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Speaker 2: No, it identifies her entirely through an archetype. It calls
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Speaker 2: her the Swedish nanny.
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Speaker 1: Let me push back on that a bit, though, because
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Speaker 1: if I'm writing a podcast description, I have extremely limited
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Speaker 1: real estate on a phone screen. Every character counts. Isn't
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Speaker 1: Swedish nanny just a matter of factual efficiency?
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Speaker 2: You think?
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Speaker 1: So? Well? Yeah, I mean, it's her job, it's her nationality.
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Speaker 1: It tells you why she was in Boston. Are we
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Speaker 1: reading too much manipulation into a simple noun and adjective?
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Speaker 2: I don't think we're reading enough into it. Honestly, in
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Speaker 2: the highly competitive attention economy of true crime, there is
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Speaker 2: no such thing as neutral factual efficiency. Oh really, no,
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Speaker 2: Every single word is a calculated hook. Swedish nanny operates
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Speaker 2: as immediate psychological shorthand.
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Speaker 1: Okay, how so think about the.
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Speaker 2: Cultural weight of a nanny. The archetype represents a caregiver,
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Speaker 2: someone entrusted with the absolute most vulnerable demographic in our
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Speaker 2: soquiety children, children. It instantly communicates purity, domesticity, and innocence.
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Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. You don't have to spend
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Speaker 1: five minutes establishing that she was a good person, because
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Speaker 1: the word nanny does the heavy lifting.
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Speaker 2: For you precisely, and then you modify it with Swedish right.
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Speaker 2: This introduces the element of profound displacement. It tells the
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Speaker 2: listener she is a foreigner. She is navigating an unfamiliar
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Speaker 2: urban environment, operating largely outside her native language.
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Speaker 1: That's terrifying on its own.
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Speaker 2: And crucially, she has severed from her primary support structures,
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Speaker 2: her family, her lifelong friends. By framing her primarily as
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Speaker 2: the Swedish nanny, the text bypasses rational introduction and goes
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Speaker 2: straight for the emotional jugular wow. It establishes maximum vulnerability
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Speaker 2: before you even read her name.
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Speaker 1: You are meant to feel protective of her immediately, which
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Speaker 1: makes the sudden pivot in the text incredibly violent. Because
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Speaker 1: the description doesn't just say she was killed. It says
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Speaker 1: she was brutally murdered, dismembered, and thrown away with the
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Speaker 1: garbage on an early August morning. The juxtaposition in that
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Speaker 1: sentence alone is giving me whiplash.
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Speaker 2: It is the starkest contrast imaginable, and it's really where
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Speaker 2: the true horror of the text lives. You have the
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Speaker 2: active dismemberment, which implies a staggering amount of physical effort, time,
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Speaker 2: and psychological darkness. Yeah, absolute dark shoved right up against
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Speaker 2: the most mundane, thoughtless, everyday chore of municipal life taking
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Speaker 2: out the trash.
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Speaker 1: Let's focus on that disposal method, because dismemberment isn't a
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Speaker 1: crime of passion that happens in a split.
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Speaker 2: Second, no doutter all.
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Speaker 1: It requires tools, it requires space, It requires a terrifying
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Speaker 1: sustained attachment from reality to systematically reduce a human being
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Speaker 1: to pieces. Yes, but then after all that grim, intense labor,
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Speaker 1: you just toss the bags in the garbage. It's like
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Speaker 1: taking a priceless artifact, spending hours meticulously smashing it into
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Speaker 1: unrecognizable dust with a hammer, and then just sweeping it
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Speaker 1: into a plastic dustpan to dump in a municipal recycling din.
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Speaker 2: That analogy gets right to the core mechanism of the
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Speaker 2: psychological terror here. To put a victim in the garbage
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Speaker 2: is the ultimate act of dehumanization. Yeah, the killer wasn't
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Speaker 2: just hiding evidence. They were making an ideological statement about
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Speaker 2: the value of her life. They equated her with refuse,
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Speaker 2: so bleak. But look deeper at the mechanism of that choice.
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Speaker 2: The perpetrator is essentially co opting the city's infrastructure. How
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Speaker 2: do you mean by placing her in the garbage? The
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Speaker 2: killer is relying on the invisible, automated rhythms of urban
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Speaker 2: life to complete the crime. Oh wow, They are counting
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Speaker 2: on the sanitation workers, the rumbling garbage trucks, the entire
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Speaker 2: waste management system of Boston to act as unwitting accomplices.
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Speaker 1: That is chilling.
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Speaker 2: They are outsourcing the final erasure of this human being
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Speaker 2: to the city itself.
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Speaker 1: And the text sets this incredibly dark concept against the
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Speaker 1: sensory backdrop of an early August morning. Right, they could
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Speaker 1: have just written found in August, but they specify early
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Speaker 1: August morning. That feels like a very deliberate choice by
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Speaker 1: the copywriter.
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Speaker 2: It absolutely is deliberate. August in Boston is the apex
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Speaker 2: of summer. It brings associations of warmth, vacation life in
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Speaker 2: full blown.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, kids out of school, beach days exactly.
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Speaker 2: An early morning suggests sunlight renewal, people walking dogs, and
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Speaker 2: grabbing ice coffees. It is the peak of normalcy. The
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Speaker 2: text deliberately primes your brain with that bright, mundane imagery
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Speaker 2: so that the introduction of dismembered remains feels infinitely more transgressive.
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Speaker 2: The atrocity is violating the safety of a summer morning.
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Speaker 1: It makes a listener feel like nowhere is safe exactly,
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Speaker 1: But right after establishing this brutal physical reas reality, the
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Speaker 1: text completely shifts dimensions. It abandons the physical evidence, the
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Speaker 1: streets of Boston, the garbage that remains, and moves entirely
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Speaker 1: into the realm of the psychological.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the pivot.
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Speaker 1: The description reads, Karina had secrets, and shortly before her death,
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Speaker 1: she wrote a letter to her friend in Sweden and
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Speaker 1: shared something that would forever haunt those who learn about
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Speaker 1: this case.
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Speaker 2: This is the narrative anchor of the entire enterprise. Everything
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Speaker 2: else in the description exists to support this single hook,
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Speaker 2: and it rests entirely on the operational power of the
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Speaker 2: word secrets.
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Speaker 1: Let's tear that word apart, because if we are talking
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Speaker 1: about the true crime genre, secrets is the gold standard currency.
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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, But why what does that word mechanically do
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Speaker 1: to a listener's brain.
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Speaker 2: A secret implies a duality. It suggests that the victim's
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Speaker 2: public reality, the innocent Swedish nanny we just discussed, was
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Speaker 2: a facade covering a hidden, darker, or more complex private reality. Okay, right.
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Speaker 2: It instantly transforms her from a passive victim of re
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Speaker 2: and of violence into an active protagonist navigating a dangerous
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Speaker 2: hidden world.
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Speaker 1: That's a huge shift.
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Speaker 2: It is. Furthermore, a secret is a burden. It is
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Speaker 2: knowledge that creates tension. When the text promises a secret,
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Speaker 2: it promises to resolve that tension for the listener.
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Speaker 1: And the transmission method of this secret is fascinating. It's
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. She wrote a letter to a friend
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Speaker 1: in Sweden. I want to really dig into the archival
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Speaker 1: permanence of that act compared to how we communicate now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally different today.
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Speaker 1: If I have a secret, I fire off a disappearing
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Speaker 1: message on signal, or I send a quick snapchat. It's
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Speaker 1: ephemeral data. It vanishes into the ether.
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Speaker 2: Yes, modern digital communication is largely frictionless and transient. You
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Speaker 2: don't even think about it, right, But writing a physical
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Speaker 2: letter in nineteen ninety six is an act of profound,
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Speaker 2: deliberate intention. Think of the friction involved. You must acquire
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Speaker 2: paper and a pen. You must sit in physical space
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Speaker 2: and translate your thoughts into ink.
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Speaker 1: Takes time.
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Speaker 2: It takes time. You must fold it, seal it in
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Speaker 2: an envelope purchased international postage, and walk to a mailbox
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Speaker 2: to surrender it to a factual system. The sheer mechanical
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Speaker 2: effort required to send a physical letter imbues the contents
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Speaker 2: with massive psychological weight.
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Speaker 1: The logistics of it are almost poetic in a tragic way.
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Speaker 1: Think about the geography we started with Boston. She puts
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Speaker 1: this sealed secret into a blue metal box on a
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Speaker 1: Boston street. That physical object is collected, sordid put onto
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Speaker 1: a transatlantic flight, soaring thousands of miles across the ocean
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Speaker 1: bypassing borders, until it safely lands in the hands of
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Speaker 1: her friend in Sweden.
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Speaker 2: It's incredible journey, it is.
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Speaker 1: The letter escapes, it makes it home. Her physical body meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: remains trapped in Boston, ending up in a garbage bin.
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Speaker 1: The contrast between the liberation of her thoughts and the
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Speaker 1: destruction of her body is staggering.
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Speaker 2: That geographical irony is powerful, and the podcasters they know
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Speaker 2: the value of this letter. Look at the specific phrasing
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Speaker 2: they use to bait the hook. She shared something that
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Speaker 2: would quote forever haunt those who learned about this case.
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Speaker 2: This is not just a description. It is a psychological contract.
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Speaker 1: It's a dare. It's like standing at the edge of
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Speaker 1: a haunted house and someone telling you don't go in there,
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Speaker 1: you'll never sleep.
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Speaker 2: Again, exactly. It operates on reverse psychology. The phrase forever
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Speaker 2: haunt promises a permanent emotional affliction. It dares the listener
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Speaker 2: to test their own psychological fortitude.
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Speaker 1: They want to be haunted, they do.
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Speaker 2: The hosts are saying, we have unearthed a piece of dark,
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Speaker 2: forbidden knowledge. If you choose to initiate this audio stream,
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Speaker 2: we will transfer that heavy haunting burden onto you.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: It creates a morbid exclusivity. You aren't just passing time
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Speaker 2: on a commute. You are choosing to become one of
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Speaker 2: the haunted.
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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting, though, Let's test that premise.
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Speaker 1: Because we don't actually know what's in the letter. The
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Speaker 1: description refuses to tell us. The text repgnizes our imagination absolutely,
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Speaker 1: But think about your own communications. If I look at
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Speaker 1: the text messages, I sent yesterday. I complained about my
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Speaker 1: neighbor's dog. I vented about a weird interaction at the
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Speaker 1: grocery store. I shared some mild anxiety about an upcoming trip.
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Speaker 2: Mundane stuff.
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Speaker 1: Totally to me. Those are just mundane venting sessions.
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Speaker 2: But apply the true crime lens to them.
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Speaker 1: Right if I am tragically murdered tomorrow, the true crime
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Speaker 1: industrial complex gets hold of those texts, and suddenly my
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Speaker 1: annoyance about the guy at the grocery store isn't just venting.
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Speaker 1: It's a haunting secret.
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Speaker 2: It becomes a clue.
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Speaker 1: It's sinister foreshadowing. True crime takes the messy, normal human
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Speaker 1: need to complain to our friends and mathematically reverse engineers
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Speaker 1: it into prophetic clues.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, for all.
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Speaker 1: We know, Koreana's letter might have been a completely normal
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Speaker 1: complaint about feeling lonely or a weird guy at a
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Speaker 1: local club. But by labeling it a haunting secret, the
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Speaker 1: metadata guarantees engagement.
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Speaker 2: It creates a retroactive mythology out of mundane life exactly,
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Speaker 2: and it's right here at the absolute peak of this
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Speaker 2: dark mythology, right after promising to haunt your soul with
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Speaker 2: the final secrets of a dismembered woman that the text
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Speaker 2: delivers a tonal shift so jarring it feels almost hallucinatory
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Speaker 2: the correction.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I had to read this section three times to
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Speaker 1: make sure I wasn't losing my mind. We were dealing
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Speaker 1: with international tragedy, secrets and garbage bins. And then at
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Speaker 1: the very bottom of this text there is a colite
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Speaker 1: editorial asterisk.
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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: Let me read it exactly. Note. An earlier version of
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Speaker 1: this episode mistated that John Zeiz was the writer of Zanzibar.
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Speaker 1: The episode has been updated to remove this incorrect statement,
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Speaker 1: as Zanzibar was written by Billy Joel and our team
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Speaker 1: wasn't able to cooperate otherwise.
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Speaker 2: It is an incredible artifact of media production.
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Speaker 1: It is totally surreal. First of all, how does a
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Speaker 1: Billy Joel deep cut track factor into a nineteen ninety
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Speaker 1: six Boston dismemberment. I mean, we can only extrapolate based
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Speaker 1: on the text. Maybe she was at a nightclub called Zanzibar.
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Speaker 1: Maybe the song was playing. We don't know.
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Speaker 2: We have no idea.
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Speaker 1: But what we do know is that a massive true
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Speaker 1: crime media company felt the urgent need to formally correct
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Speaker 1: the record on this specific piece of trivia.
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Speaker 2: This raises an important question about the ecosystem of the audience. Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 2: why append this bizarre footnote to a story of profound grief?
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Speaker 2: It comes down to the mechanics of trust in the
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Speaker 2: digital age.
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Speaker 1: Interesting.
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Speaker 2: The true crime audience is notoriously pedantic. They are amateur sleuths,
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Speaker 2: armed with Wikipedia and endless free time.
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Speaker 1: That is very true.
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Speaker 2: If a host misstates a minor pop culture detail, say
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Speaker 2: crediting a local musician named John Zuiz instead of Billy Joels,
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Speaker 2: the audience will detect it instantly. They will flood the
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Speaker 2: comment sections, the subreddits, and the podcast reviews.
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Speaker 1: I see. So it's not actually about respecting Billy Joel's
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Speaker 1: publishing rights. It's about crisis management for the brand's journalistic authority. Yes,
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Speaker 1: if the audience catches them being sloppy about a song credit,
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Speaker 1: the audience will assume they're being sloppy about the facts
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Speaker 1: of the murder.
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Speaker 2: Precisely to maintain credibility on the heavy, horrifying facts of
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Speaker 2: the dismemberment, they must demonstrate meticulous, almost obsessive accuracy regarding
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Speaker 2: the utterly trivial facts. Wow. But the mechanical result of
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Speaker 2: placing this correction in the show notes is what we
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Speaker 2: call the flattening of information.
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Speaker 1: Flattening. Walk me through that.
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Speaker 2: In the architecture of this paragraph, there is no hierarchy
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Speaker 2: of importance. The brutal destruction of a young woman's body
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Speaker 2: and the publishing credits of a nineteen seventy eight rock
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Speaker 2: song are given equal testual real estate.
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Speaker 1: They're just bullet points.
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Speaker 2: They are both simply data points that require management. The
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Speaker 2: metadata cannot differentiate between human tragedy and copyright accuracy. It
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Speaker 2: treats them both as variables to be resolved. That's wild.
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Speaker 2: It creates a profoundly sterile, bureaucratic veneer over an act
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Speaker 2: of supreme savagery.
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Speaker 1: That is deeply unsettling. It's like a butcher shop analogy.
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Speaker 1: The raw, messy, full tragedy of a human life is
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Speaker 1: brought in through the back door, but the metadata is
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Speaker 1: the refrigerated display case in the front window.
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Speaker 2: I like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, The audience doesn't want the messy reality. They only
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Speaker 1: want the perfectly trimmed, shrink wrapped, barcode labeled prime cuts.
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Speaker 1: They want the mystery, the secrets, and the haunting vibes.
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Speaker 1: And they want it legally vetted so nobody gets sued
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Speaker 1: over a Billy Joel song.
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Speaker 2: The butcher shop analogy is highly accurate, and it leads
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Speaker 2: us directly into the final phase of our analysis, which
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Speaker 2: is the actual business packaging of this tragedy. Right, the
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Speaker 2: product exactly. The text gives us the explicit parameters of
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Speaker 2: the product being sold. Let's start with the runtime. The
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Speaker 2: metadata indicates this entire narrative is exactly thirty one minutes long.
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Speaker 1: Thirty one minutes. Think about the density of a human life,
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Speaker 1: Think about the sprawling, chaotic investigation of an unsolved nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety six murder. Fitting all of that into thirty one
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Speaker 1: minutes isn't just summarizing. It's a brutal act of editorial violence.
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Speaker 2: It really is.
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Speaker 1: You have to strip away so much nuanced to so
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Speaker 1: much context to make it fit into the length of
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Speaker 1: a treadmill workout or a commute to the office.
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Speaker 2: It necessitates the removal of complexity. To hit a thirty
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Speaker 2: one minute target, the editors must sculpt the messy reality
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Speaker 2: into a linear, three.
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Speaker 1: Act structure, a neat little story with a clear.
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Speaker 2: Hook, escalating tension, and an unresolved cliffhanger. Anything that doesn't
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Speaker 2: serve the momentum of the entertainment product is left on
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Speaker 2: the cutting room floor.
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Speaker 1: And then we get to the content rating. The metadata
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Speaker 1: explicitly tags this audio file as clean.
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Speaker 2: This is perhaps the most glaring example of cognitive dissonance
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Speaker 2: in the entire document. Yeah, if we connect this to
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Speaker 2: the bigger picture of algorithmic categorization, a clean rating reveals
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Speaker 2: how deeply flawed our metrics for media safety really are.
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Speaker 1: I'm not fully convinced algorithms even know what they're doing here,
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Speaker 1: are you telling me? Apple Podcasts looks at a story
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Speaker 1: about a woman being cut into pieces and thrown in
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Speaker 1: a dumpster and says, Yep, perfectly safe for the whole family.
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Speaker 2: The algorithm is literal, not moral.
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Speaker 1: Ah okay.
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Speaker 2: The clean tag is generally applied based on the absence
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Speaker 2: of explicit profanity or overtly graphic sexual descriptions. It is
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Speaker 2: highly likely the host described the murder using clinical, euphemistic
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Speaker 2: or sanitized language.
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Speaker 1: Right they use polite words for horrific acts.
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Speaker 2: They might say she was dismembered without describing the forensic
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Speaker 2: reality of what that entails. Because they didn't drop an
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Speaker 2: F bomb the automated back end systems classify a story
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Speaker 2: about the ultimate violation of a human body as clean content.
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Speaker 1: That is insane.
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Speaker 2: It is the sanitization of violence for the sake of
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Speaker 2: platform compliance.
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Speaker 1: It's mind boggling. You can monetize the concept of slaughter
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Speaker 1: as long as you use your inside voice precisely. And
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Speaker 1: speaking of monetization, this page operates as a highly optimized
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Speaker 1: digital storefront. The text invites you to join an ad
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Speaker 1: free fan club.
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Speaker 2: The gamification of the true crime experience it.
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Speaker 1: Is you pay a premium subscription fee so that your
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Speaker 1: consumption of this nineteen ninety six horror isn't interrupted by
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Speaker 1: someone trying to sell you a meal kit. Yeah, but
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Speaker 1: they take it a step further with the parasocial engagement.
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Speaker 1: The text prominently displays a phone number three one seven
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Speaker 1: seven three three seven four eight five. It literally says
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Speaker 1: tex Ashley to talk all things true crime, get behind
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Speaker 1: the scenes, updates and more.
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Speaker 2: This is a critical evolution in media consumption. It's no
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Speaker 2: longer enough to just broadcast a story. That creators must
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Speaker 2: foster a parasocial relationship, a.
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Speaker 1: One sided illusion of intimacy. It makes the listener feel
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Speaker 1: like they are an inside the investigation. You aren't just
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Speaker 1: passively listening to a grim history lesson, You are texting
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Speaker 1: the host like she's your friend sharing gossip. It leverages
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Speaker 1: the intimacy of SMS messaging to bind the audience to
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Speaker 1: the brand.
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Speaker 2: While simultaneously acting as a massive data harvesting operation. Wait really,
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Speaker 2: oh absolutely, the metadata doesn't hide this. It proudly lists
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Speaker 2: that the audio is hosted by simple Cast, which it
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Speaker 2: notes is an ads whiz company, and provides the URL
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Speaker 2: detailing how listener data is collected for targeted advertising.
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Speaker 1: Walk me through the mechanism of that, because most people
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Speaker 1: just see ads Whiz and their eyes glaze over. What
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Speaker 1: is physically happening when I hit play on this story
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Speaker 1: about Karena Hoomer.
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Speaker 2: When you initiate the stream, your podcast app sends a
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Speaker 2: ping to the hosting server. In milliseconds, the aswiz architecture
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Speaker 2: captures your IP address, your device type, your geographical location,
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Speaker 2: and cross references that with your historical listening habits. In
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Speaker 2: milliseconds milliseconds, it builds a real time behavioral profile. It
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Speaker 2: then holds an automated microsecond auction, selling the audio space
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Speaker 2: to the highest bidding advertiser who wants to target your
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Speaker 2: specific demographic So.
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Speaker 1: While the narrator is solemnly recounting the haunting secrets of
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Speaker 1: a deceased Swedish nanny, a frictionless algorithmic war is being
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Speaker 1: waged in the background. Yes, just to serve me a
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Speaker 1: dynamically inserted ad for car insurance because my IP address
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Speaker 1: says I live in the suburbs. The tragedy is merely
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Speaker 1: the bait. My behavioral data is the actual product being sold.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and this localized Boston tragedy from a pre Internet
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Speaker 2: era has now been fully integrated into the global digital
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Speaker 2: supply chain. Look at the geographical availability list in the metadata.
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Speaker 2: It is. It's staggering.
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Speaker 1: It's basically the United Nations role call. It just scrolls
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Speaker 1: and scrolls.
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Speaker 2: A crime that, as the text admitted, was completely unknown
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Speaker 2: outside of Boston in nineteen ninety six, is now sitting
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Speaker 2: on server farms instantly accessible in Algeria, Bahrain, Cambodia, El
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Speaker 2: salvad Or, Japan, Oman, Zimbabwe, everywhere it is universally available.
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Speaker 2: This brutalized woman has achieved a bizarre dystopian immortality. Her
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Speaker 2: name and her violent end are no longer bound by
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Speaker 2: geography or time. Wow, they're a perfectly formatted thirty one
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Speaker 2: minute data stream pinging off satellites and cell towers across
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Speaker 2: the entire globe twenty four hours a day.
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Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? We started this deep
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Speaker 1: dive looking at a tiny block of promotional text, but
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Speaker 1: by breaking it down, we've exposed the massive, incredibly tense
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Speaker 1: machinery operating just beneath the surface of the media we
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Speaker 1: consume every day.
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Speaker 2: It's a huge machine.
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Speaker 1: On one side, you have the visceral, agonizing reality of
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Speaker 1: a young woman who is murdered and discarded in an
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Speaker 1: August garbage bin. On the other side, you have the polished,
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Speaker 1: data driven, highly optimized architecture of modern digital publishing that
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Speaker 1: keeps her memory alive, but only by transforming her humanity
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Speaker 1: into psychological hooks, thirty one minute clean files, and targeted
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Speaker 1: advertising inventory.
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Speaker 2: It highlights a necessary friction. We aren't saying the podcast
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Speaker 2: shouldn't exist, but we are analyzing how it exists. It
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Speaker 2: challenges every listener to move from passive consumption to active,
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Speaker 2: mindful engagement. When you interact with this genre, you must
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Speaker 2: consciously force yourself to remember the breathing complex human being
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Speaker 2: buried beneath the algorithmic metadata, the polite corrections about Billy Joel,
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Speaker 2: and the premium fan club subscriptions.
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Speaker 1: You have to push back against the flattening of the information,
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Speaker 1: and that leaves us with one final lingering thought for
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Speaker 1: you to explore on your own. We spend a lot
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Speaker 1: of time discussing Koreina's letter to Sweden and how the
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Speaker 1: lens of True Crime weaponized her private thoughts into a
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Speaker 1: haunting secret to drive engagement. I want you to pick
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Speaker 1: up your phone right now.
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Speaker 2: Do it.
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Speaker 1: Look at the last mundane, everyday message you sent. An
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Speaker 1: email to a co worker, a DM to a friend,
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Speaker 1: a quick text to your partner. If the unimaginable happened
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Speaker 1: tomorrow and the digital machinery of true Crime got a
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Speaker 1: hold of your life, which of your completely ordinary messages
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Speaker 1: would suddenly be stripped of its context, repackaged by a
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Speaker 1: podcast producer, and viewed as a haunting secret by thousands
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Speaker 1: of strangers trying to solve the mystery of you.
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Speaker 2: It completely reframes how we view our own digital footprints.
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Speaker 1: It really does. Keep that in mind the next time
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Speaker 1: you hit play on a mystery. Until next time