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Today’s Popcorn Moment: Atlantic’s Jemele Hill argues that capitalism is oppressive and bound up in white supremacy · Tony Katz | Popcorn Moment

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  Speaker 1: it wasn't my plan to start with the total madness.
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  Speaker 1: But it's always good to hear what it is that
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  Speaker 1: you're up against. And one of those things from the
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  Speaker 1: leftists and from supremacists is the hatred of capitalism. This
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  Speaker 1: was CNN. CNN. Right. CNN. And on there is Kamala Hill.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Kamala Foster, who I'm not super familiar with.
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  Speaker 1: I need to familiarize myself with him and Jamel Hill,
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  Speaker 1: who I am familiar with. And I wish I wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Jamel Hill, I argue, is a bigot. Certainly her conversations
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  Speaker 1: regarding Jerry Jones, the owner of the Dallas Cowboys. Certainly
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  Speaker 1: what I would consider her as as a black supremacist,
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  Speaker 1: a everything is bigoted. Everything is racist. You're always a racist.
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  Speaker 1: There's the oppressed oppressor mindset that is not only delusional,
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  Speaker 1: but dangerous for the soul and for society. She, to me,
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  Speaker 1: has the hallmarks of this type of supremacist attitude. And
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  Speaker 1: this is what CNN has become. This is what's considered a...
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  Speaker 1: so-called intellectual arguments here.
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  Speaker 2: It's one thing to not think capitalism isn't working ideally.
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  Speaker 2: It's another thing entirely to insist that it is oppressive,
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  Speaker 2: that it is bound up with white supremacy. I've always
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  Speaker 2: preferred Adam Smith's description of capitalism as the natural system
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  Speaker 2: of liberty, the idea that people can own property, that
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  Speaker 2: they can exchange it freely with one another for profit,
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  Speaker 2: that they can find ways to put their resources to
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  Speaker 2: good use, those private property, and profit in a way
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  Speaker 2: that is actually beneficial to everyone else, that there can
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  Speaker 2: be gains from trade that are mutually beneficial. These are
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  Speaker 2: foundational ideas that have created more wealth than any other
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  Speaker 2: system in human history.
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  Speaker 1: That is what capitalism is. Now, if you wanted to
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  Speaker 1: know who Kamele Foster was, that's who he is. He's
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  Speaker 1: also one of the board of directors for FIRE, F-I-R-E.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with FIRE or not,
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  Speaker 1: the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. I mean, nice
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  Speaker 1: quoting of Adam Smith, nice explanation of where capitalism is,
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  Speaker 1: what it is, absolute value in that. Check out the
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  Speaker 1: argument against his position. Rational, reasonable, sound, delivered directly without
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  Speaker 1: any aggression. Do you think capitalism has always worked that way?
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  Speaker 2: Has all I've just described the actual, I've actually just
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  Speaker 2: described the basic facts. Slavery is an institution that is
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  Speaker 2: older than writing.
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  Speaker 1: It predates capitalism. The notion that white.
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  Speaker 2: Supremacy and all these other things are bound up with
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  Speaker 2: capitalism in an intrinsic and fundamental way is so absurd
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  Speaker 2: and laughable that it barely needs to be defended.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean it barely needs to be defended?
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  Speaker 1: It barely needs to be defended.
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  Speaker 2: You actually have to articulate what the connection is. How
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  Speaker 2: are these two things the same? I'm talking about private property,
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  Speaker 2: the right to exchange and sell it with whoever you like.
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  Speaker 1: What does that have to do with white supremacy? I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about.
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  Speaker 2: How it's working right now today. What is the white
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  Speaker 2: supremacist dynamic of private property?
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  Speaker 1: It's not working. I think that's the problem. I think
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  Speaker 1: the problem is it's not. So you see where their
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  Speaker 1: argument goes. That somehow it is the capitalism that is
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  Speaker 1: not working and that's why we need socialism. We need
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  Speaker 1: to fix this. What isn't working about a system? Are
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  Speaker 1: people working in that system? Well, that's a different question now,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it? The argument from Jemele Hill is that capitalism
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  Speaker 1: is indeed oppressive and bound up in white supremacy. How so?
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  Speaker 1: And when you take, I do not know if he
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  Speaker 1: pronounces his name Kamel or Kameli, K-M-E-L-E. When you look
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  Speaker 1: at him and you see this black man engaged in
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  Speaker 1: a conversation about the value of capitalism, is someone now
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  Speaker 1: going to call him a traitor? Because that's usually how
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  Speaker 1: it goes. Remember, if you're black and conservative to the left,
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  Speaker 1: you're not really black. If you're gay and conservative to
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  Speaker 1: the left, you're not really gay. If you're a woman
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  Speaker 1: and conservative to the left, you're not really a woman.
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  Speaker 1: That's been a constant for decades now. I have seen
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  Speaker 1: that in my own life and you have as well.
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  Speaker 1: The argument, capitalism is bad. Capitalism is white supremacy. Therefore,
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  Speaker 1: capitalism is putting down black people. But it's not true.
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  Speaker 1: It's never been true. Now, I will agree that there
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  Speaker 1: are people who engage in bastardizations of capitalism. There's conversations
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  Speaker 1: about late-stage capitalism. I swear to you, I have no
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  Speaker 1: idea what that is. That is some made-up bunk nonsense garbage.
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  Speaker 1: There is capitalism and everything else that tries to create
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  Speaker 1: a descriptor of capitalism is not capitalism. State-run capitalism, that's
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  Speaker 1: what they argue there is in China? Stop it. It's communism.
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  Speaker 1: It's not state-run capitalism. There is no capitalism. The argument
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  Speaker 1: against is an emotional one that somehow you're not doing
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  Speaker 1: enough for or it is therefore oppressing because everything has
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  Speaker 1: to somehow oppress in order for certain ideologies to rise
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  Speaker 1: and grow. So when I talk about Jamel Hill as supremacist,
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  Speaker 1: this is the argument against. The argument is not that
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  Speaker 1: the system is the system and everybody gets treated equally
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  Speaker 1: under the system and works the system. If you want
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  Speaker 1: to show, and we've had this conversation numerous times, where
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  Speaker 1: there is some type of law or some type of
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  Speaker 1: policy that limits a certain person based on a characteristic,
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  Speaker 1: let's go rip that out by the root. I'm right there.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to work. I will bring a shovel and
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  Speaker 1: one of those things that pulls things out by the roots.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like when you remove the stump. We'll grind
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  Speaker 1: that mother right out. But they can never show it.
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  Speaker 1: Somehow it is just unfair because of its existence. And
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  Speaker 1: what they will argue is it's unfair because this is
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  Speaker 1: what's always been. And it's always kept this group of
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  Speaker 1: people down. And now they'll never have a chance to
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  Speaker 1: rise up. Not true. Not factual. They believe that they
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  Speaker 1: need to get rid of capitalism so they can right
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  Speaker 1: the wrongs of yesterday. As if that could ever work.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think there's any amount of money that rights
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  Speaker 1: the wrong of slavery? Because if you do, that's weird.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think there's any reparation that will ever right
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  Speaker 1: the wrong? And once you realize the answer is no,
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  Speaker 1: you realize why there can never be reparations. Because it
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  Speaker 1: will never be enough. There's never a moment. There are
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  Speaker 1: people out there like Al Sharpton who still want a
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  Speaker 1: Civil Rights Act to oppress the voters in Alabama and
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi as if somehow the voter of 2026 is the
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  Speaker 1: same voter of 1956. There's never an admission of, you
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  Speaker 1: know what? These people are different. This state is different.
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  Speaker 1: The laws are different. We do things differently. Okay, we
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  Speaker 1: don't need that anymore. Nope, nope. Still has to be done.
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  Speaker 1: You got to keep an eye on those people. Holy mackerel.
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  Speaker 1: The exact reason why you can never have reparations. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do anything wrong and I'm not writing a
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  Speaker 1: check and I'm not having my kids write a check
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  Speaker 1: and I'm willing to fight in the streets because of it.
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  Speaker 1: But the attack on capitalism is actually a pro-supremacy argument,
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  Speaker 1: which I believe that's what Jemele Hill was doing there
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  Speaker 1: to Mr. Foster. Pushing a supremacy argument. We'll try and
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  Speaker 1: get Mr. Foster on the show and break this down further.