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Episode 12: Care of Dark Creatures Class · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to episode twelve of Revellio for February six,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I'm Amy, I'm Nicole, and I'm tom
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  Speaker 1: A back for another round.
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  Speaker 2: Lots of technical difficulties. How are you hearing this episode?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, hotly, this episode is not lost.
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  Speaker 3: to it.
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  Speaker 1: So this episode is behind the veil.
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  Speaker 2: We're beyond the veil yet.
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  Speaker 1: So before we recorded this episode, we actually got a
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  Speaker 1: very nice tweet from a listener over on Twitter or
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  Speaker 1: x whatever you're calling it these days, and we just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to give a little shout out because it's so
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  Speaker 1: nice to hear when people are actually listening to the
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  Speaker 1: show and enjoying the show. So this came from at
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  Speaker 1: tyler z twenty two on Twitter and he says, I
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  Speaker 1: think you guys have injected some much needed new life
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  Speaker 1: into the podcast space around this franchise. Love it so
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much. That made me smile when I
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  Speaker 1: saw that, So we really really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, sach, thank you. So in this episode,
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  Speaker 3: we'll be discussing some of the dark creatures of the
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  Speaker 3: Wizarding World. But first.
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  Speaker 2: R listening to w WN, the Wizarding Wireless Network. Now
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  Speaker 2: for the latest headlines.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so the news this episode is pretty light actually,
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  Speaker 1: but there are a couple interesting things to bring up. First,
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  Speaker 1: an agreement has been met in the negotiations battle between
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  Speaker 1: Bloomsbury and Amazon that had the parties not reached an agreement,
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  Speaker 1: would have resulted in print copies of Bloomsbury books, including
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  Speaker 1: Harry Potter, being unavailable to buyers in the UK, Australia
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  Speaker 1: and Europe. With this deal, that is not the case.
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  Speaker 1: The books now remain available to buy in those areas,
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  Speaker 1: and the kindle version of the books also remains available worldwide.
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  Speaker 1: I was actually unaware of this battle until resolution. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that readers in the UK, Australia and
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  Speaker 2: Europe will continue to hopefully be able to order Harry
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  Speaker 2: Potter and whatever other books we're part of this. Yesy
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  Speaker 2: is such a big.
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  Speaker 1: This would have affected a Qatar as well. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: huge markets to big titles. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the other thing is there's new Harry Potter and
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic Beasts merch available ahead of the Epic Universe opening.
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  Speaker 1: So actually, Universal Orlando has opened up their newest hotel,
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  Speaker 1: Stella Nova, four months before the Epic Universe Park is
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  Speaker 1: open to guests and in the hotel gift shop, there
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  Speaker 1: are several new pieces of merch that have not been
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  Speaker 1: seen yet even at the Epic Universe Preview Center. So
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  Speaker 1: there's quite a bit. I don't want to go through
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  Speaker 1: every little things. There's like a lot, but some of
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  Speaker 1: the highlights. There's a really cool leather wand holster that
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  Speaker 1: they're selling with like a little like belt pouch and
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  Speaker 1: like the place for your wand and everything. There's a
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  Speaker 1: ton of fantastic beast stuff. So they've got a Thunderbird
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  Speaker 1: plush to join the Niffler and the Dema guys. They've
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  Speaker 1: got a bunch of new inspired things, like a really
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  Speaker 1: cool leather backpack that's got his little symbol from his
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  Speaker 1: case on it. There's a pin that is like his
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  Speaker 1: suitcase and on either side you can either have the
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  Speaker 1: Demiguys Demi guys pop out one side or the Niffler
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  Speaker 1: pops out the other side. It's like a little moving piece.
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  Speaker 1: There's some different shirts. There's a ton of Ministry of
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  Speaker 1: Magic merch. Obviously because of the ride. Some of the
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  Speaker 1: highlights from that collection is there's this mystery pin box
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  Speaker 1: collection or like you buy the little box of pins
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  Speaker 1: and you get random assortment. There's a Battle of the
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  Speaker 1: Ministry mug, T shirt, a hoodie, a belt bag, a
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  Speaker 1: canvas bag. The interesting stuff about the Ministry merch is
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  Speaker 1: there are a few creatures that are pretty prominently displayed
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  Speaker 1: on this merch, so it might be some hints as
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  Speaker 1: to what's in this ride. There isn't a rumpin there's
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  Speaker 1: a moon calf and what was the other one? The Augury?
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  Speaker 1: Those three are on some of that Ministry merch. So interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I love the backpack, the Nuts Commander backpack. Yes, looks
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  Speaker 3: so good. And I like how they're kind of like
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  Speaker 3: paying respect to to this franchise which you know, we
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  Speaker 3: were worried have been long forgotten by Warner. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's like they're getting their moment. They're getting their their
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  Speaker 3: own space because it's going to be like there are
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  Speaker 3: things that you wouldn't find at Wizarding World of Harry
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  Speaker 3: Potter other than maybe in a little corner or something
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  Speaker 3: like it seems they're going to be having their you know,
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  Speaker 3: big moment now, which is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's really cool how much they are
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  Speaker 1: involving the Fantastic Beast films within this park, because they
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  Speaker 1: could have shied away from it and leaned more heavily
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  Speaker 1: Harry Potter, but they're not, and I think that's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it'll bring some more interest to the films,
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  Speaker 1: maybe some new audiences as well, so especially from the
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  Speaker 1: ride if they've got you know, these creatures featured in
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  Speaker 1: the ride and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I it's nice because when there was the whole
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  Speaker 2: like rebrand of the website and everything and kind of
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  Speaker 2: like the erasure of the Wizarding and Fantastic Bees, they
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  Speaker 2: could have also made that move to scale back a
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  Speaker 2: bit from the parks. Obviously they couldn't change the whole
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  Speaker 2: theme of the park being Paris, but they definitely could
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  Speaker 2: have scaled back in the merchandise and all of that.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah. Yeah. So besides the
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic Bees, the new stuff, the ministry stuff, there's also
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  Speaker 1: a collection of metro flu merch and there are some
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  Speaker 1: new house merch items as well. One of the things
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  Speaker 1: that kind of made me laugh is there's how specific berets,
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  Speaker 1: So if you want to be French for a day.
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  Speaker 1: You can have a Hufflepuff beret.
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  Speaker 2: Very in theme.
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  Speaker 1: Catch me in my Hufflepuff beret, croissant.
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  Speaker 2: My butter beer macron that I still want desperately, with.
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  Speaker 1: My bagett file wand.
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  Speaker 2: I have a lot of wand you can never have
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  Speaker 2: enough bagettes, no.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly whether it be the wand variety or the bread variety.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm excited to see it all in person. I've
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  Speaker 2: kind of seen it floating around social media as well
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  Speaker 2: as well as even just more merged with like the
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  Speaker 2: Time Turner featured as well. So very curious what they've
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  Speaker 2: got planned. And I kind of just picture, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: think of you know, the centaurs like chasing umbrage, Like
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  Speaker 2: are we going to have like a rumpets chasing on
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  Speaker 2: bridge now? Like is she just going to continue to
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  Speaker 2: be chased by magical creatures? Like that's her fate for
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  Speaker 2: the rest of eternity, It's to meet these magical creatures
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  Speaker 2: and get chased by them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'm for it.
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  Speaker 2: That the augery comes in and swoops her up, like
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  Speaker 2: yeah right, Well, it'd be interesting to see too how
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  Speaker 2: they tie in these beasts that we've seen really not
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  Speaker 2: so much in like Britain, but in other places. But
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  Speaker 2: now all of a sudden they're possibly gonna be in
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  Speaker 2: the ministry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really do think that whole time turner element
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  Speaker 1: plays some role here because I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna pop up.
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  Speaker 2: Unleash the beasts from the case.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we know they filmed Eddie right, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's more than just for the circus show. Who knows.
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  Speaker 2: It's exciting, but also like always wary of the use
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  Speaker 2: of the time turner, you know, as we've talked about
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  Speaker 2: several times, Yeah, in our episodes and the use of
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  Speaker 2: it in Curse Child, and it could either go very
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  Speaker 2: well or it could go not so well. So we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Well that's everything we've got for the news.
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  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of beasts, what a good segue into our
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  Speaker 2: main discussion today. And as the you know residents, Lytherin,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it only made sense for me to
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  Speaker 2: lead the discussion on dark creatures of the Wizarding World.
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  Speaker 2: So we're not going to talk about all of them
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  Speaker 2: in this episode because there are so many and obviously
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  Speaker 2: some of the dark creatures that we see in the
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  Speaker 2: Wizarding World also are in other forms of media, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like we're wolves and vampires and all of that. So
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  Speaker 2: I really kind of wanted to focus on ones that
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  Speaker 2: we really see in the Wizarding World that we maybe
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  Speaker 2: don't see other places, or we see them in a
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  Speaker 2: different kind of way. So this is not an exhaustive
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  Speaker 2: list of the dark creatures. But so the first one
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  Speaker 2: I had on the list here was bog arts. So
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  Speaker 2: they're obviously shape shifting creatures, and they assume the form
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  Speaker 2: of whatever most frightens the person who encounters it. We
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  Speaker 2: don't know what a bogart looks like in its natural form,
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  Speaker 2: except perhaps mad Eye Moody does, because we know he
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  Speaker 2: you know, looked through the little hole with his eye,
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  Speaker 2: his like special little eye, so he might know. But
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  Speaker 2: we do know that they do continue to exist even
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  Speaker 2: when somebody's not seeing them, So they do have some
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  Speaker 2: kind of natural form, and they do like to make
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  Speaker 2: their presence known by rattling or shaking or banging or
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  Speaker 2: scratching wherever that they're hiding. So they do tend to
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  Speaker 2: like to be in confined spaces, but they can also
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  Speaker 2: be found in the woods or you know, in nice
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  Speaker 2: little shadowy corners. The more fearful you are as a
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  Speaker 2: person makes you more susceptible to a buy art, which
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  Speaker 2: makes sense because they would just have fun with a
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  Speaker 2: person who's really fearful, right. And interestingly, this is a
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  Speaker 2: creature that muggles can feel the presence of and could
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  Speaker 2: also possibly get a glimpse of, but they seem to
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  Speaker 2: be less capable of fully seeing them like witches and wizards,
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  Speaker 2: and muggles are very easily convinced that it was just
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  Speaker 2: like a figment of their imagination of what they saw.
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  Speaker 2: M and separate to some of the other creatures we'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about in a little bit here, boggarts are creatures
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  Speaker 2: that have never been truly like alive, Like they're not
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  Speaker 2: like dead, but they're not alive, Like they're just this
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  Speaker 2: kind of weird I just exist. So I think there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of questions there about like where did they
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  Speaker 2: come from? Like what was the first bogger? Where did
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  Speaker 2: they arise from? If they're not like a p they're
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  Speaker 2: not like a ghost, so someone who was alive and
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  Speaker 2: now they're not a mystery there, well.
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  Speaker 1: Like a paltergeist is more just like dark energy, right,
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  Speaker 1: rather than an actual spirit. So I wonder if it's
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  Speaker 1: like the same sort of idea, this something could be
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  Speaker 1: borne out of fear itself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I think it's very similar. And we'll,
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  Speaker 2: of course we'll talk about dementors as well in a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. And you know they're also really based on
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  Speaker 2: emotion and kind of fed from emotion. Yeah, I really
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  Speaker 2: wonder where, like you know, that first one came from. Really,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of works like if you think about it in terms
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  Speaker 1: of we ourselves, if we fear something, we start to
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  Speaker 1: almost invent more fears because it all snowballs and collects, right,
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  Speaker 1: So if that's the human experience, then like you could
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  Speaker 1: see where that could collect enough to actually make something
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  Speaker 1: that's got like energy and almost a mind of its own.
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  Speaker 1: It's not truly alive, but like is there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and because they're a creature that's never
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  Speaker 2: been truly alive, like they also are not immortal, but
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  Speaker 2: like a mortal so they can eventually disappear though, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't really know what the mechanism of that is
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  Speaker 2: or you know, like what can cause them to disappear,
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  Speaker 2: But it's kind of like more just kind of rise
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  Speaker 2: to take the place. So it's this kind of cyclical
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  Speaker 2: thing of I don't think we'd ever see a world
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  Speaker 2: where like all the Boggart's just disappear. It's like as
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  Speaker 2: one disappears, if maybe it's been around for hundreds and
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of years or something, it just kind of eventually
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  Speaker 2: poof disappears. But it's not like we're ever going to
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  Speaker 2: like run out of them, because more just.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of regenerates itself.
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  Speaker 2: God, right, Yes, it's kind of just like, yeah, if
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  Speaker 2: you think of like energy cannot be like created or
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  Speaker 2: destroy as it just is. And yeah, and then actually
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  Speaker 2: I had I had a bullet here that we already
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  Speaker 2: kind of talked about that similar to polter guys and
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  Speaker 2: to mentors, they seem to be both generated and sustained
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  Speaker 2: by human emotions. So yeah, I don't know if maybe
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  Speaker 2: we got to a place in the world where every
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  Speaker 2: human no longer had fear, which is obviously never going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. Right, it's such a big part of the
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  Speaker 2: human experience, and our fears are also important to our survival, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like we learn to be fearful of touching the hot
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  Speaker 2: stove because it'll burn us, Like we have to have
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  Speaker 2: like fear does play a role in our everyday life.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel like we'll never get to a place
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  Speaker 2: where humans just have no fear. Even these dark wizards
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  Speaker 2: like think of Baltimore right like he had feared death,
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  Speaker 2: like he feared it not existing. So even these big
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  Speaker 2: baddies like still have a fear of something. So but
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  Speaker 2: maybe if, like you know, I guess hypothetically we got
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  Speaker 2: to a place where humans did just never have fear
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  Speaker 2: ever again, maybe that would be what is needed to
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  Speaker 2: eradicate the Boggarts. But fear is such a prominent emotion
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  Speaker 2: for humans of all walks of life muggles, which is wizards,
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  Speaker 2: and so we just keep them going. So of course
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  Speaker 2: we know that there is a spell that you can
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  Speaker 2: use to try and defeat the Boggart, which is ridiculous,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, ultimately the goal here is to make
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  Speaker 2: the Boggart turn into something amusing to the point that
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  Speaker 2: you're laughing out loud, and it will make it disappear.
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  Speaker 2: So the Boggart does not like to be laughed at,
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  Speaker 2: is what I think that's saying, and it runs and
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  Speaker 2: hides away. So I think you know the way that
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  Speaker 2: we encounter Boggarts in the Harry Potter series, it's pretty tame. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we obviously see them in Prisoner of Azkaban
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  Speaker 2: and they really play the biggest role to like help
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  Speaker 2: Harry learn expect a patronum, right, you know. And then
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  Speaker 2: we do see another Boggart in Goblet of Fire during
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  Speaker 2: the maze. But they can truly be scary. So one
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  Speaker 2: of the most famous Boggarts in Wizarding history is the
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  Speaker 2: Bludgeoning Bogert of Old London Town. And this Bogart took
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  Speaker 2: on the form of a murderous thug that prowled the
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  Speaker 2: streets of nineteenth century London. Kind of sounds a little
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  Speaker 2: like Jack the Ripper, Like was Jack the Ripper a
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  Speaker 2: Boggart like?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: So I think, like they can be truly scary, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know what can they fully take on the murder?
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  Speaker 2: Can they fully like what is their extent of what
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  Speaker 2: they can do? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Because the question physically touch or harm?
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  Speaker 2: Harm or touch someone?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but either way, this one decided to take on
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  Speaker 2: the resemblance of one. So definitely very interesting creatures.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was kind of thinking about this a little
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  Speaker 1: bit earlier, like preparing because it's so interesting to me
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  Speaker 1: when you think about different fears, because there are some
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  Speaker 1: fears that it's like, how do you even give that
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  Speaker 1: a form? Like I think about like one of my
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  Speaker 1: biggest fears is like loss of control, like not being
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  Speaker 1: in control of the moment. Like how like how would
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  Speaker 1: a bugg art change to represent that? Like I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: Like that's more of.
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  Speaker 2: Like a.
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  Speaker 1: It's not so much a physical thing as it is
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  Speaker 1: like a construct.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that it could be clever enough
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  Speaker 2: to figure out a way, you know, because it's like
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  Speaker 2: you've got you think of like Molly's Boggart right where
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  Speaker 2: she's afraid of death really and death of her family. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and so the Vogart like takes the form of like
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  Speaker 2: her witnessing like that that fear coming to life. So like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I can't think of an example, like
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  Speaker 2: you know, off the top of my head of something where,
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  Speaker 2: you know, is there something that could be realized like
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  Speaker 2: this Bogart turns into like you doing something or encountering
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  Speaker 2: something that is like some resemblance of a loss of control.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, h.
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  Speaker 2: But I was, yeah, I was think of that because
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  Speaker 2: some people have some very like interesting fears and how
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's you know, we've got people like Ron Right,
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  Speaker 2: who's afraid of spiders. Well, okay, that's easy, it's going
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  Speaker 2: to turn into a big giant spider. But some people
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  Speaker 2: have some very yeah, I don't know, like complex fares
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  Speaker 2: and how intelligent is a Boggart also to be able
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  Speaker 2: to figure out a way very quickly as well to
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  Speaker 2: take on this form of a complex fear. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: we don't really see that. I feel like Molly's is
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  Speaker 2: the most complex fear in a Boggart that we get
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  Speaker 2: exposed to in the in the books.
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  Speaker 3: Also, having your fear, you know, come to life and
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  Speaker 3: you know, potentially having other people see it is you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's like it's it's like you're showing you're showing your
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  Speaker 3: fear to the world, something that's probably hidden you know,
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  Speaker 3: deep inside of you, and it's you're exteriorizing it to
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  Speaker 3: a point where you're you know, uh, it gets very
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  Speaker 3: It's it's a very like awful situation to be in.
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  Speaker 3: Like if it's something like you said, like a spider,
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  Speaker 3: then okay, But if it's something more complex, something that
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  Speaker 3: you know comes from human emotion, something that's dark, how
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  Speaker 3: would you feel having people witnessing that as well, not
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  Speaker 3: just you, but potentially having others know what your fear is,
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  Speaker 3: you know. So it's it's very interesting. It's a very interesting,
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  Speaker 3: you know thing to you know, like you said, if
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  Speaker 3: it's a feeling, how can it you know, manifest or materialize?
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  Speaker 3: And it could be like just showing a situation, whether
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  Speaker 3: involving some something, someone a place that you know immediately
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: connects to you and you know, even though maybe someone
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: might not understand it, you know, because it's already seeing
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: through you and it knows exactly what really scares you.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: So I think it's a very interesting concept how and
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: and it would be you know, really nice to know
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: more about it and to see it more like in depth,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: because I think there's so much more to buggerts than
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: we know.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: When I think, like the way that we kind of
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: first encounter them, like you know, in you know, a
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: defense against the dark arts lesson is not like a
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: typical type of way, right, like if you have one
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: that somehow gets into your home or something, you might
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: be in this place where your fear is not necessarily
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: being put on display, or like you encounter a bogger
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: out in the wild, you know, you might you might know, Okay,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: this might be a bogger because how else would this
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: be here? But other people don't know. But like, you know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, I'll defend to forever that Lupin
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: was the best defense against the dark arts teacher. But
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I would have hated this lesson to have my fear
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: on display kind of against my will. Yeah, in front
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: of my entire class, when you've got people like you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Draco and Cravin Goyle and all those people who want
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: to just you know, use that to make fun of
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: you and stuff like I think, yeah, I think that
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: would have been a very humiliating kind of class. And
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much control you in that moment
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: right when you know, you know, okay, I'm about to
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: be facing a Boggart, Like I don't think you could
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: try your hardest. I think to be like, well, I'm
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: going to think of spiders. I'm going to think of spiders.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: But I feel like that Boggart would be like, that's
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: not your biggest fear. I see you, I got you,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: like bam here something else, you know. I don't feel
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: like like how like I guess that's another question. How
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: easy is it to trick a bogg Art, Yeah.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Same as some mentors. I think there's this correlation between
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: two mentors and Boggarts about how do you fight them
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: with both spells that work pretty similarly similarly because you
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: have to think, think of a very happy memory to
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: you know, produce a Patonis and you have to think
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: of something that makes you laugh or something that kind
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: of like puts a little humor or comedy element to
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: that thing that you're so scared of. So they are
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: very complex spells, and I feel like if you're not prepared,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: like you said, Nicole, if you're not like, you know,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: ready to fight one, like, it might take some time.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: And it's uh, it's very it's a lot of it's
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: a lot of advanced magic too. And I think somehow
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Harry learning that spell before Expecto Patronum really help him,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: you know, then be able to cast it more easily
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: because he was already you know, he has started preparing
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: to those more complex spells. So yeah, what.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I think he had. And we'll obviously talk a little
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: bit about dementors in a little bit here, but I
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: think that it just, you know, it's very complex. It's
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: complex to cast expected patronum, and it's very difficult, and
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I think we obviously see that Harry kind of masters
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: it pretty quickly in comparison to other people. I mean,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: even Hermione struggled with it. But I think that he
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: had this kind of unfair advantage of being able to
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: have his his like a dementor as a bogg Art,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: and to be able to practice on that and not
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: on the like the real thing, And so I really
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: think that's why he was able to master it so quickly,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: because yeah, it's almost like this the bogger. It's not
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: going to hurt you like the dementor will, but it's
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: everything else about it seems legit, and the.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Way you fight it is exactly the same way as
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: you would fight the actual creature.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Right right, for sure. So the next one that we
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: had here is the in fairy or Infurious is the singular,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: and in firy is the plural. So these are interesting
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: ones for sure. So we learn from Snape that the
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Infurious is a corpse that has been re animated by
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: a dark wizard's spell. It is not alive. It is
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: merely used like a puppet to do the wizard's bidding.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: So they are kind of characterized as having white and
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: cloudy eyes. And speaking of complex spells, the spell that's
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: needed to reanimate the human body is very complex, which
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: probably is good so that you don't have a lot
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of people trying to do this. And you can also
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: right like, if these things were easy to do, right
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: then just why wouldn't you just do them? And you
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: can also you know, I think the other reason why
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: it's complex is because you're not just like reanimating the body.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: You can also use other spells to have the infury
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: respond in certain ways. So we see this like in
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: half woodprints, where you know, when the inferior are disturbed,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: they respond very lethally. You can like cast spells on
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: them to kill indiscriminately or to undertake jobs for you
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: that would be maybe other lies perilous to you, because
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the pros of infury is they
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: have no there's no sense of like self preservation, so
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: you can kind of get them to do whatever those
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: perilous jobs are. But I think, like you know, there
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: are some cons to using in fury, you know, other
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: than the fact that it's some really dark magic that
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: you probably shouldn't be doing.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Bussed up Little must Up.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: But you know, they have like I just mentioned, they
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: have no will, They have no brain of their own,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: so if they get themselves into a troublesome situation, they
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: can't really like think their way out of it, and
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: so you kind of lose your you might potentially lose
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: your puppet. So they are preserved indefinitely by dark magic
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: and can only be destroyed by fire. And the reason
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: for this is because there's been no spell found that
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: can make dead flesh impervious to burning. So therefore there
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: are reanimated corpse and there's not a way that you
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: can protect You essentially can't like protect somebody beforehand by
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: putting a curse on them, you know, to make it
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: so they don't burn, So then that can't then translate
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: to when they're reanimated. However, you know, you can, like
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I just mentioned, there's a lot of spells you can
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: put on your in theory, you can enchant them to
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: be able to avoid flames, which I feel like Baltimore
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: didn't do this in the game because like you know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Dumbledore gets in there and lights them all up, you know,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: So it's something that Baltimore.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Did and whatever they did as well, like you can
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: just cast and send you on them and they're done. Yeah, right, right.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: So that I mean that might be some very advanced
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: magic is to be able to to you know, enchant
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: them in a way that they avoid flames. Maybe that
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I could see that being something that only maybe very
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: few wizards have been able to actually accomplish. So in
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the Potoma writings, JK. Rowling has some specific notes about
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: in Fury, and I thought these were very interesting because
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite I'm a big horror fan, and
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: so one of my favorite like horror creatures are zombies.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: In college, I actually took a whole like elective course
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: on philosophy and zombies and literature, which was really interesting.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: So it's very interesting to hear JK. Rolling's thoughts on
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: this because she talks a lot about zombies, because inherently,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: if you think of just in Fury, they sound a
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: lot like zombies, right, It's this reanimated corpse, and we
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: do have zombies in the Wizarding World. They are part
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: of Harry's world. But she mentioned that she had several
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: reasons for not wanting it to just be zombies, like
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: she wanted to create something else otherwise you know, you
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: could have just had a bunch of zombies there in
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the cave guarding the locket. But her first kind of
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: point here was that zombies in general are not part
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: of British folklore, and they're associated with the myths of
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Haiti and parts of Africa, and this is actually where
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: zombies were really born in popular culture. The first time
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: we kind of really see a zombie in any kind
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: of media is in the nineteen thirty two film White Zombie,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: and that one portrays this kind of Haitian tradition of
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: a zombie. Eventually, over time and especially when George Romeiro
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: kind of came in, that's when zombies kind of started
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: to evolve a bit into what we kind of know
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: them as now. But they really started as being in
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: kind of like voodoo tradition. So that was kind of
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: the first the first reason. And she kind of mentioned
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: as well that because zombies are part of the whizzing
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: world and Hogwarts, students do learn about them, you also
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: won't expect to just see a zombie walking through the
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: streets of Hogsmeade in Scotland, because they're not really part
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: of the British kind of landscape. Yeah, so then she's like, Okay,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: that doesn't make sense to have all these zombies here
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: in this case, cause where did Baltimore get them? Right?
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And then similarly to this like voodoo tradition, so when
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: in that when those corpses are reanimated, there's also a
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: magical component of it where they weren't like bit and
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: turned into zombies like we typically see in zombie fashion
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: or if you're a big fan of walking dead like
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: i am, humans basically all have this weird mutation kind
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: of thing where when they die, you're going to turn
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: into one. What happened in these earliest zombies is that
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: you had somebody who had to essentially magically reanimate, and
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: that person, that sorcerer who would do that, would sometimes
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: use the soul of that, you know, whoever they were
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: reanimating to sustain themselves, almost in like a philosopher's stone
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: kind of way. Yeah, So if there's also this like
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: kind of like master servanty kind of relationship that also
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: comes into play here, because if you are a sorcerer
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: that was capable of creating a quote unquote zombie, they
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: would remain in your control through that magic. Very similar
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: in a way though to infury though, right, but JK.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Rolling specifically mentioned that this tradition of using the soul
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: she thought conflicted with her whole horrecruck story that she
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: was you know, brewing and obviously didn't want to also
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: suggest that Altemore had any more use for the Infury
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: other than to just being guards of the moor Crux.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I thought that made sense as well. And then also
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: she also made the point too that we've seen zombies
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: represented so many times in film and other medium over
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the years. So now there's just a lot of associations
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: that are with zombies, right that they're like they just
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: want to eat your brains and like they you know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: you just there's so many what do you think. She
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: actually mentions in the writing she thinks of the Thriller
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: music video and zombie Michael Jackson in the Red Lighter Jacket.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: So there's so many associations we have with zombies, right,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: And she kind of was like, I didn't have a
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: use for those associations in the story I was telling,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: So it made sense, I think why we didn't get zombies,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: but still very much took the idea of this reanimated
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: corpse that we see with a zombie and used it
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: in a way that suited the story. And so the
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: name infurious is a play on in faris, which in
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: latin Is means below, and so this had the connotation
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: of being lesser, so like lesser than a living human
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: also think like the underworld kind of thing. So I
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: thought that was you know, an interesting kind of the
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: etymology of that word. And we know that the Infury
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: were widely used by Baltimore during both Wizarding Wars, and
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: it is thought that a lot of his in ferry
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: armies were composed of both muggles that were murdered and
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: also a lot of the witches and wizards that went
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: missing during those wars, you know, potentially you know, ended
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: up you know, ended up there. And one thing that
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, kind of also thinking about as well,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: is that, you know, we know that Regulus Black met
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: his end in the cave, you know, after he was
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: dragged into the lake by the Infury and unfortunately didn't
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: have the same you fate as Harry because he didn't
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: have Dumbledore there to kind of you know, save the day,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: you know. And I guess my thought is like wondering,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: like do we think if Regulus became an infurious. You know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: is there the possibility of, you know, could Baltimore have
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: found a spell to also enchant the water, you know,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: because obviously he's not there right to turn Regulus into
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: an infurious, But could there be some spell in the
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: water that's like, if you fall into this, now you're
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: doomed for the rest of your life to be part
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: of this army of in fury.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Well. I mean, Regulus was in there indefinitely, so he
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: went down and did not come up when I think
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: in theory that's what would happen though, in that cave, right,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: because you drink the potion, you get thirsty. Here's this
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: big bottle, big body of water that's filled with the infury,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: and if you don't have someone there to save you,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming probably at this point Creature had already you know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: disaporated away with the locket by the point. By this
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: point maybe, But I mean also would creature have said, well,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know, would creature have tried to save him?
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just assuming that Creature was probably
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: no longer there at the point of when you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Regulus goes over to that lake to try to get
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the water, and so there's nobody there to save him.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And I think in Valtimore's mind, when he was probably
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: creating that whole you know, elaborate protection of the hor crops,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: probably thought that, you know, I think with Harry and Dumbledore,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: it was a unique situation because they were there together.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: And obviously you have Dumbledore, you know, our mastermind of
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the series, who knew probably we should be there together.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: There should not just be one of us there, right, right,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: But most people would probably be alone, and so I
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: don't know, I think there wouldn't be a time, It
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be time for you to even try to save
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: yourself with fire or or anything.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, didn't Creature drink the potion? So did Regulus.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Now don't even remember, Like was Creature left in the
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: cave and then I don't know.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I thought that he I thought that he switched the
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: locket with the fake one and told Creature to destroy
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the fake locket, and he drank the potion and then
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: he got the thirst, and then when he tried to
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: drink the water from the lake, that's when he got
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: drug under and killed. And that basically he ordered Creature
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: to return home and destroy the locket and basically never
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: tell the family what happened. So and that's why creatures
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: kind of spending the rest of his life, you know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: kind of being upset because he wasn't able to.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, so that is what happened.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I just looked there there is there's
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: this article from official Harry Potter dot com regular strength
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: of burning potion himself rather than letting creatures suffer again,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: and was dragged his death by the infury a distract
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: creature was ordered to return home.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: That is such a good, like whole story how that
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: was all woven as well, So obviouslycense is still mind boggling.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that's like a whole other like
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just it just got me thinking.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: It was like this whole other piece of like, oh
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: my god, that whole scene when we're there with like
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: with you know, so many years later with Dumbledore and Harry,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: like God is Regulus down there as one of these
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: and I I would I hope that that is not
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: a fate that he had had, but yeah, just something
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I thought of.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: So he was literally dragged to the underworld drag too, Yeah,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: the deep.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: So my thing is. Okay, So if you are a
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: witcher wizard, you know that this magic exists to take
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: corpses after you're gone and reanimate you to be these
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: creepy like undead things. Knowing that that can happen, why
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: don't they have some sort of like burial ground enchantments
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: to protect corpses, which clearly they don't because Baltimore could
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: get into Dumbledore's tomb so easily, Yeah, or go with
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: cremation like something like come on, Yeah.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think some of it is, like I'm
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: sure some of it is just like plot holes, right,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Like we needed it for the plot. We needed Baltimore
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: to be able to get into Dumbledore's grave for the
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: plot to advance. Yeah, And I think it's just but
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I think also like people probably just don't assume that
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: someone's going to use their corpse in that way. Obviously,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Voldemort's very an exception to the norm and very deranged
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, so I'm sure it's not
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: a common occurrence, right, And I think that, you know,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: with him, it's like some people I think didn't really
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: have a chance because I think they were part of
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: his inferior armies. I think were people that he murdered,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: so like in that moment, it's like you're being murdered
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: and now I'm taking your body versus that him thinking
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: let me just go to the nearest gravesite and just
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: get all these people. So I think that there probably
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: isn't so much of that fear once you're already maybe
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: dead and buried. I think Dumbledore was an exception to
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: it because he needed the Wand and knew that it
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: was buried with him. But obviously too, burying the wand
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: with Dumbledore. They obviously did that. I feel like, you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: like not thinking that someone's gonna they Dumbledore had the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Elder Wand of all things, so clearly they thought that
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: burying it with him would be enough protection. So maybe
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: that's part of it too. They don't I don't know. Yeah,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: somebody had one job and they with that, like.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Well, they also wouldn't have known that it was the
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: elder one, right, I mean.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I forget like we know this, Yeah, and it
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: would make sense that like a witcher wizard would be
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: buried with their wand like that. It just makes sense.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: But yeah, well you see Harry Doubler's office at the
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: end of papla prince and he's holding his wand you're like,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: come on, get it, get it, just take it, take it.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Come on, you're still in time. I have no idea
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: what that is.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Come on, if only you knew, right, But no, I
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: think it probably has to do with the fact that
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: like this isn't probably just a common occurrence, and so
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: it's not really something that you template or typically think of.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: It's part of your your the burial process. Make sure
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: you put this enchantment on me so someone doesn't turn
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: me into it in fury.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean it's scary if you think about it,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: because I think obviously we see visually how many there
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: are in that cave, but and so that we don't
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: know necessarily how many there actually were. But it really
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: does make it seem like this lake is filled with them.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: So that's I mean, that's a lot of corpses.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if these are really all people he's murdered,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that's that's quite the list.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Hmm interesting mostly uns.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I can see muggle bornes like hundreds and herds of
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: muggle borns being in fairy or also like muggles, and yeah,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: that's why it makes sense why the name is very
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: It's very curious why. You know, in Furious is Latin
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: for below lesser, which is what Baltimore the opinion he
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: had on muggle borns and muggles too, so it only
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: makes sense that that's who he was using as in Fairy.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, I agree.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: M yeah, creepy m hm.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Not for Baltimore, it's right.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Down, no, yeah. And then the next one I had
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: her was dementors. I know we've mentioned them a couple
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: of times here, but you know, dementors are considered one
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: of the follow us dark creatures in the Wizarding World.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I mean so far. I mean, in Fury is sound
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: pretty bad too, but but with Dementtors, I think what's
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: different here is that, you know, they do have a
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: little bit of like sentience kind of going on, and
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: you know, of course we know that they're creatures that
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: can suck hope and happiness out of their surroundings. Lupin
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: describes dementors as being among the foulest creatures that walk
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: this earth. They infest the darkest, filthiest places. They glory
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: and decay and despair. They drain peace, hope, and happiness
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: out of the air around them. Get to near a dementor,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: and every good feeling, every happy memory will be sucked
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: out of you. If it can. The dementor will feed
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: on you long enough to reduce you to something like itself,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: soulless and evil. You will be left with nothing but
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: the worst experiences of your life, and you will just
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: be an empty shell that lost its soul. So heavy,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: so heavy stuff. And you know, of course, you know
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: dementors are a metaphor for depression. JK. Rowling, you know,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: did share that her inspiration for dementor is stemmed from
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: her own experiences with fighting depression. And I mean it
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: makes complete sense because you know, being just reading the
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: description of a dementor, really you just, I, at least
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: for me, immediately think of depression, especially of a severe
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: type of depression. And what's really interesting about dementors is,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: you know, they're blind, but they have the ability to
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: sense the emotions of humans. And kind of similarly to
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: what we were talking about with Boggerts and wondering if
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: we could trick a bogger, we do kind of see
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: that you can kind of trick a dementor. But it's
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: not easy, you know. So we see that, you know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: their blindness, but their ability to sense the emotion of
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: humans is kind of used against them with serious you
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: know serious kind of manages to trick them by changing
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: into his animagus form, which is obviously not human, to
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: kind of escape as command. So there's kind of a
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: little bit of a loophole there. And then we also see,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: you know, when Bardi Krout Senior is able to have
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: his wife, you know, take their son's place at Azkaban,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: because at this point both his wife and Bardi Couch
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Junior were so weak and depressed. They're basically you know,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: the dementors blind, so they can't see who it is.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: They're just like, oh, here's this this depressed person here,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Let's replace it with another equally depressed person and bam,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: here you've managed to trick the dementor.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Which is so interesting because this is so like very
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: much like depression doesn't discriminate, like.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's like really or in like emotions
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: in general, it's like, don't don't discriminate, and they're not,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: you know, I think obviously we see though that they
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: are able to be used in a way to search
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: out somebody, right, Like they're used to try to find
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: serious black, so there's something that can be done there
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: to lock them onto somebody. But I think when they're
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: not looking for it is kind of when you can
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: sneak in and use their weakness a bit, you know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: like Bertie Crouch Senior did. There wasn't that time for
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: them to necessarily do whatever it is they need to
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: do to like learn and hone on the person. I
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: think of like dogs like that are used to like
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: search and find people, and you know, you make them
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: like you really kind of bombard them with that person
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: sent or something like that, so they kind of know
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: who they're searching for. I like wonder what they do
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: to the dementors to be like, this is how you
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: identify serious black when they're they can't necessarily see interesting.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that, and that to
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: our list of unanswered questions the series. But I think
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: one of the things that makes the Dementors the scariest
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: is is the Dementor's kiss. And you know, they're they're
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: capable of literally consuming a person's soul, and honestly, what's
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: the worst thing about this is they're not killing you
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: you're just left in this like permanent vegetative state with
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: no soul. And speaking of unanswered questions, you know, I
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: have a lot of questions here, like what happens to
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: the soul after the dementor's kiss? Like where does it go?
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Is it digested by the dementor to the point that
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: it's just obliterated? Is the soul trapped in the dementor?
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Which is even more terrifying. You know, if you're a
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: dementor who has performed the kiss on somebody, are you
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: stronger than the other dementors because you can kind of
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: continue to feed off that soul that's in you. Like,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I got a lot of questions here.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Well that's what they think of questions. But yeah, right,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: so I'm thinking they suck it in and they just
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: like you said, they probably become stronger, and it's I
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: don't think, yeah, I don't think it's it's I don't
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: think it's just the soul is just you know, floating around.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: I think it just you know, they trap Yeah, yeah.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like literally consumed by the dementor, like consumed
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: by the depression. So it's just not there anymore. Like
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: if you get all consumed by something, right, you're no
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: longer the same person, Like parts of you start to
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: go away if you give into it all.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like when you get so depressed, it's like
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: you it's very commonly to refer to someone as like
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: the shell of the person that they used to be,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: because everything that made up your personality, your everything kind
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: of just gets lost to the disease. Luckily, with depression
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: you can there's things that can help. I think with
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: the dementor's kiss, I think there is no right unsucking
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: the soul out of the the mentor is irreversible, similar
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: to the veil. Yeah, right, once you've crossed the veil
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: and the Department of Mysteries, like there's as far as
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: we know, there's not a way to get the soul back.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The demential skiss is like a metaphor to that
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: stage of depression where there's no turning back unfortunately, Like
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: it's like that darkest, darkest place that unfortunately people cannot
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: come back from. And so yeah, it's like you still
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: have like ways out of depression. But I think when
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: you get the demental skiss the same way parallelly when
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: you get that in real life unfortunately there's no way
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: you can you know, come back from that. And you know,
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: it's it's such an interesting metaphor how she managed to.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: And I think it also throws some light into people
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: who don't necessarily understand what depression is or how to
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: help help someone or how to you know. So I
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: think that really brings a lot of awareness to what
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: that is and more insight and you know, and you
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: can see it very clearly in the books and the
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: films how that is represented. And I think it was
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: a very clever and and uh yeah, good way to
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: show what that feels like. And also for her to
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: express and exteriorize what she had you know, in her
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: past and put it in book form and turn it
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: into this filthy like foul creature and yeah, yeah.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: And I think, like similarly to how we were talking
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: about the prevalence or the yeah, the prevalence of fear
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: in humans, the prevalence of sadness and all of those
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: kind of emotions are just as you know, just as prevalent.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: So it makes why you know, we have dementors and
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: why they'll continue to exist, because that's another not even
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: just looking at you know, as far as depression but
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: just sadness in general. Every human knows, every human knows
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: that emotion. So you've got this creature that can really
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: thrive because you're going to find that any you know,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: anywhere you know that you go, and you know, I
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: think that right, so we see that, you know, the
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: only way to fight off a dementor is through the
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Patona's Charm, and which you know obviously we talked about,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: is not an easy spell to master. And I think
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: part of that also, I think is, you know, being
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: in the presence of a dementor and just the its
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: ability to really suck that happiness and everything out of
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: you must make it very challenging in that moment to
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: ignore that enough to be able to channel this happy memory,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: this this really powerful positive thing to try to defeat
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: it when you're really at a disadvantage in that moment.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: So even if you can master the spell, I think
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: it's not easy to use it in that moment. And
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I think like when we see Harry kind of really
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: you know, explode with it in Prisoner of azkamand when
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: he's saving serious he's he's an you know, he's there too,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: but he's like an onlooker in that moment, right, Like
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: he's not standing face to face with a dementor who's
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: actively getting in his head and like trying to suck
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: out his soul, so he can really kind of channel
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: in that moment, and I think it'd be very different. Well,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: it was very different, right because he was on the
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: other side too and couldn't do it in that moment
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: because he was also having you know stuff, you know,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: happiness and stuff sucked out of him. So I think
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: that really does show that it's it is not only
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: a challenging spell to master, but a challenging spell to use. Obviously,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: the more dementor you have, the harder it is. And
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I think even some of the most powerful wizards could
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: probably become a victim to a army of dementors. Yeah,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: and I think that also, you know the use of
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: chocolate and everything too to kind of help restore you
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: after kind of encountering a dementor. I think even just
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: with that whole the whole metaphor of depression and sadness
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that too, Like you know, chocolate and
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: sweets and all that kind of stuff just brings you know,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: a good.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Chocolate cake can just fix a lot yeah.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, like definitely onto something there. And it just
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: to me it made perfect sense that that is like
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: the anecdote after you've encountered a dementor is like, here,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: have some chocolate, you'll feel better. Absolutely, lupa and I
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: will words to live by, words to live by. Yeah,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: And so I mean we do see the de mentors.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: You know, they are employed by the Ministry of Magic,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: which is kind of funny thinking of them as being
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: employees for their ship as an HR. Absolutely, but I
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: make sure that clocking in and out, I imagine like,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: you know, having to pull them into my office and
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: be like, you know, we heard that you were trying
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: to suck out Susie's soul again the other day. We
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: can't have that.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: She clearly said no the first time, we got to
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: put you on corrective action.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Man. But in all seriousness, they were they were employed
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: by the Ministry as prison guards, you know, as CAPAN
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: and which makes sense, right, because how else to make
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: your prisoners complicit bye then by yeah, putting them in
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: this weakened state, you know. And I think we see
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: serious as able to kind of fight that a bit
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: because he knew his innocence and I think that helped
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: him to be able to kind of resist a bit,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: to get the strength up enough to be able to
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: you know, fool them and break out. So we know
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: that the dementors are intelligent in some regard, right. They're
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: intelligent enough to follow instructions to be employed and everything
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: like that. And they also eventually, you know, decide to
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: switch their loyalty over to Lord Baltimore, which makes sense,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: you know. And I think Lord Baltimore even says at
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: some point about the Dementors like there are natural allies,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: like this makes sense, they have them part of us,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: and so I think that's interesting that they possess enough
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: intelligence right to be able to switch loyalty. And interestingly,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: dementors do have a striking similarity to raiths in Scottish mythology,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: which are often described as tall spirit ghosts in a black,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: hooded cloak. So there is definitely some things in Muggle
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: mythology that they kind of resemble. I think in like
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings too, that they're yeah, they're they're
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: kind of similar to mentors as well. Yeah, and so
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: I think that's very very interesting. But I think the
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: way that they're used in the Wizarding World and the
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: way that you know, JK. Rowling created them is very
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: unique because of that, that metaphor to depression. For sure.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: I wonder how they communicate with them, How do they
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: give them instructions? How do they you know, how do
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: they comply with whatever entity they're working with?
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: You know, what's the stakes if they don't comply?
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, what what is like?
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think you get on get unemployment? Yeah?
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Huh weird? Yeah? What was in it for them?
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: What was in it for them to work with the Ministry?
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: I think, Well, obviously they got to feed being guards
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: at the prison, they got a constant supply of despair and.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but what did they get going to Hogwarts in
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: year three? What did they get in return?
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: To get serious? I think that I think because he
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: managed to fool them, And I think that's the motivation
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: of you are this person that somehow was able to
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: fool us. We will not stop until we find you
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: and suck out your soul. So I think maybe, like
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: you know, they were doing it seemed like they were
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: doing like the Ministry's bidding, right, But I feel like
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: there probably was some intrinsic motivation for them which that's scary.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: If they can have intrinsic motivation is terrifying, but it.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Ties in naturally with you know, them switching their loyalty
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: to Voldemort later on.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're similar ideologies for sure.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, scary.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Speaking of scary, the next one I had on the
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: list here is letho folds, which are very similar to
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: dementors y, Yeah, the living shroud as they're also called.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: And I think what's really scary about these letho folds
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: is that, yeah, it's kind of scary because they're like
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: this scary blanket coming for you, but there's like not
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: a lot known about them. And they're also mortal, which
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: is interesting, but mortal not in the sense of like
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: they're a like being, as in like a human being,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: but like we can somehow like kill them. So they're
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: very cunning, very deadly. But yeah, they basically are just
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: kind of a shadow or a black cloak. They have
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: received the highest classification, which is XXXXX by the Ministry
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: of Magic, and I mean a lot of the creatures
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: we're talking about actually do have this classification as well.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: And this classification is reserved for creatures that are extraordinarily
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: dangerous and are actively hostile towards witches and wizards. So
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: of course, a lot of the ones we've talked about today,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: if you check Fantastic Beast and Where to find them,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: you'll see that they also have this similar classification. But
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: what's really scary about lack of holds is they move
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: in silence, and they tend to attack their victims when
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: they're sleeping, ironically because they look like big blankets, right,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: so literally they will smother and suffocate you, and then
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: once you're dead, they digest your corpse. And they do
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: this so that they leave no trace of evidence.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: WHOA, I'm never going to look at blankets the same again,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: I know, you know, like I love the color black,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: so like it would not be it would not be
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: out of the norm for me to have a black blanket.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: But I don't know if I ever could.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Suddenly, the dementor doesn't seem like a very bad you know,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: like a very bad ally no no, no.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: And what's really interesting though, is like we do know
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: that leath of bolds can be repelled by the Patrona's
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: charm as well, And.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: We also know.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Because there's just some descriptions of you know, very few
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: people though, who have managed to kind of survive a
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: lath of bold attack that have also described their touch
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: being very you know, cold and clam me, just like
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: a dementor. So I think there is a lot of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: evidence here that there might be some kind of relation
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: between dementors and latho folds.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Like what that is?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: You know, are they just in the same you know family,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Like I think of like the big cat family, right,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: and you've got lions, and you've got cougars, and you've
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: got jaguars and cheetahs, Like they're all kind of different,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: but they all belong to the same like umbrella group.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Is that what we have here with letho folds and dementors? Possibly?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it seems like dementors are almost like the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: more evolved version of lathophold sophisticated. Yeah, more like said
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: like you know, they've kind of got a goal. They're
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: trying to go for the soul, whereas letho folds are
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: like person, let me consume.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: All of it, no evidence left behind.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's like, what is the motivation for the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: latho folds, Like where are they let the folds? How
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: many lethofolds are there? Is this something you have to
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: be afraid of every night you go to sleep? Like
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: is the night? Is this the night of la? The
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: fold is going to get me? Like how do they.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Like I think? And I think that's kind of a
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: lot of the kind of underlying question I have about
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of these creatures is really like what's their
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: motivation and why aren't they doing their their thing that
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: they're known for, like all the time or haphazardly or
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: like I don't know, yeah where like do letho folds?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Like do they all reside in like a cave together
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: when they're not out roaming?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Like or are they solitary creatures?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Like you can't see them being solitary. I don't see
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: them living in like a family group now, And like
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: where did they come from? Like I don't, I don't know.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: There's just there's a lot we don't know about them.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: And I think it's because they're so probably hard to
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: study because of how dangerous they are and yeah scary.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Well, continuing with the like weird, abstract y, wispy kind
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: of black creatures, the next one here I had was
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: the obscurists, which is another kind of you know appears
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: as this black, smoky ball of energy which seems to
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: be this theme. Maybe they're yeah, maybe they're also related
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: stills right, and we have you know they are they
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: are a force that is an energy force that is created.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: This I think is different because we kind of know
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: we know where they come from and how they're created.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: We just don't we don't really know how. So we
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: don't know we know how, but we don't know the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: logistical how. Right. So we have you know, a witch
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: or wizard who is attempting to suppress their magic versus
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: learning to control and harness it. And so when they're
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: you know, oppressing and oppressing and oppressing and oppressing it,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, you've got this energy force
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: that's created that is essentially their magic. And you know
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: that when an obscurial, which is obviously an individual who
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: has an obscurist feels upset or angry, that is when
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: we see the obscurest manifest and become uncontrollable and destructive,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: and the angry, the more angrier, the more upset that
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: that wizard which gets the larger that the obscurist will grow.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: It really feeds off of that emotion again, so we
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: know that obscuristis can move, they can fly, they can
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: respond to the actions of people that are immediately around it.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: They can comprehend human speech, which makes sense right because
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: they're really born out of a human And you know
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: again they're also capable of killing other humans. And I
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: was wondering if, like we think that almost in a
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: I know, I guess a battle of the dark creatures,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: do we think like an obscurist could is powerful enough
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: to maim or kill one of these other creatures you
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: had an obscurists had to head with a dementor or
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: a luft the fold or.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: You know, out on top because like less and worse
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: like suppression or depression.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: That would you rather have?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: And I think what's I mean? I think what's really
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: interesting about obscurists and obscurios is that you know you
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: are when you're an obscure cannot be killed when they're
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: in their obscurest form, which makes me feel like maybe
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: they are the more superior in terms of destruction, like
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: in being indestructible compared to other creatures, because we do
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: know that like if something if say you were to
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: use the most powerful spell you have to blast and
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: obscure us in that moment, that obscurists might you know,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: blast into a million different pieces. But when it's fragmented,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: those fragments will reform, They will find their way back
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: to each other and reform, and so there's little you
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: can do to destroy it. And in terms of the host,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: the individual the obscure obscurial, we know that a lot
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: of them do not survive past the age of ten
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: because the obscurist is just going to continue to grow,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: and eventually it just drains the obscurreal of their energy
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: and their strength. And you know, it's at a point
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: where you completely you know, you already don't have control
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: over your obscurists, but it gets to the point in
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: this almost like host parasite relationship where the parasite overtakes
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: the host. And you know, we learn in Fantastic Beasts
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: that Knew attempted to remove an obscurist from the body
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: of you know, the eight year old Sudanese girl, and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: unfortunately the girl does not survive the process. But what's
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: interesting is we see that the obscurist does right, it
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: lives in Newts case, and so I think it's once
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: it's formed, it seems like they're really or at least
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: at this point, nobody has found a way to destroy it,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: you know. And I have so many questions too about
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: the process, right of trying to just pull this out
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: of somebody. How do you find it? Where is it?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: How do you pull it out in a piece? And
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: I think it comes back to the logistics of how
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: it's formed, like how does the suppress magic evolve into
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: the obscurists? And what if you stop suppressing your magic
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: but you've already had an obscurest start to form. Does
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: it just stay a little baby obscurists and you you
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: can never really get rid of it, or because you're
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: suppressing your magic and the obscurist is growing, you're just
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: doomed to never You're just doomed. There's never a there's
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: not like a comeback from it.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Well, because I mean even in Fantastic Beasts, once Credence
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: is actively using magic, he's still the obscurest still takes
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: him over. So it's almost like, yeah, you're like beyond
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: the point of repair even if you're not suppressing anymore.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Well, he's just an interesting case in general, right, because
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: he's survived. He's it's like, in a way, he's found
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: a way to be able to control it in a way,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: even if he doesn't think he controls it, I think
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: he does. And I think that's why it's been able
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: to not overtake him in the way that it historically does.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: And so I could see him always being an obscurial
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: he well, I mean he is, like because he like
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's I think, like, does the obscurial like
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: die with the person, like if when you do well
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: when you die, or does it we know it can
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: live without the person, right, because we've got this one
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: in Knute's case that is living without its home race.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Which this is forever and always going to be my
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: biggest beef with a Fantastic Beast series. And we all
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: know how much I love these movies. But I think
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: my theory is better than the solutions they came up with.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: They could have had Arianna's obscurest be the same obscurist
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: that goes into credence creedom, therefore making him a dumble
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: door without really having him a dumble doore So he's
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: still credence bare bone, but it's like he's.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Connected to the double door inside of him.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Because we know that the obscurest cans outside its original host,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: So why wouldn't it look for another person to occupy,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: you know, Like I feel like that just ties it
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: all together so much better, especially since like as soon
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: as we knew about and obscure is where our like,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh ariada like it just it makes sense.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Why couldn't they have done it?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: Why didn't he have to be.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: As much as I love yong ho ab er fork,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: we didn't need it, No.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Not at all, you know. And it's like you have
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: here in the dock, like I think, yeah, I do
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: agree with you here. It is such a misopportunity that
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: we didn't talk about the fact that now we have
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: two dumble doors that have developed a obscurit ob I
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: don't know what the plural is, no, And it seems
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: like it's pretty rare. I think, like it seemed like
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: at least what I saw in my research was there
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: was a period of time where a lot of obscurious
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: obscurey I we're developing because people of magical nature were
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: being you know, prosecuted. I imagine like during the Salem
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: witch trials stuff like that. You know, I saw that.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: But I think, like, you know, there's times where there
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: was kind of persecution of these witches and wizards, and
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: it would make sense that you would have this like
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: birth of obscure eye because people were suppressing it because
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: their livelihood was at stake. But then I think once
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: there started to be more laws and stuff in place
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: to kind of protect witches and wizards and keep them
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: separate from the muggles and be more you know, discreete,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: I think that's when we started to see the obscure
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: I kind of taper off quite a bit and they
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: became more rare. So you're telling me this one family
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: has two.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: Of them, right, is it possible they're eradicated so at
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: the present, because I.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: Think you're always going to have like especially you know,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: I wonder if like muggle born children are maybe more
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: susceptible to becoming obscure because you've got them living in
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: the muggle world and then having weird think of like
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Harry right, weird things that would happen and you're kind
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: of like, what is going on and you don't really
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: know how to control and harness that, and so I
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: don't know how you learn to suppress it either, but
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: I could see maybe somehow figuring out how to try
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: to suppress that because you're in this environment of maybe
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: weird things happen when you're around and people make fun
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: of youah or just things like that, and you just somehow,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you just somehow learn to suppress it.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: So I think it's definitely still possible, you know, or
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: if you're.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: You know, I think there's got to be more than
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: one Harry in the world, you know, under those conditions,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: under that you know, surprising his magic, you know, with
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: having that very hard childhood, there has to be a
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: lot of them still to this day. So it's like, yeah,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: I think it's very possible that they are still even
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: though they're rarer. There are cases I think.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Probably much rarer, because I think, yeah, they're able to
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: kind of exist in this in this wizarding world, separate
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: from muggles and be themselves. And you've got, you know,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: all these magical schools that have come up now, right,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: and so they're they're finding these kids that are magical
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: and almost like accept it's funny because like with Hogwarts,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: like you're kind of intercepted and you go there past
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: the age of when a lot of obscuria like live.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: But so I don't know if that really helps, Like.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: It's not like you.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Saved you. But I think that, yeah, I think that
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: it's just it's safer. It's like a safer time for
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: witches and wizards than it was maybe earlier in history
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: when they were being prosecuted and stuff like that, and
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: you kind of had to had to be more careful.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: But I don't think they'll ever be eradicated because I
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: think you might always have a situation where, you know,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: I think of think of like Vernon and Petunia who
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: are aware muggles who are aware of magic. And I
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: guess imagine if I mean, in a way, we have
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: the situation right because we have we do have they
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: have somebody there that has magic. And luckily Harry doesn't
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: turn in to an obscurist, but he I feel like
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: he could have. But I think of having parents or
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: something like that right that are actively squashing what is
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: happening because they know what's happening, and maybe like you know,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: or I guess, yeah, I guess it really just comes
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: back to the It's like the muggle Born children, but
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: a different scenario because you're like a muggle born child
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: that's birthed to people who know about magic. That's like
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: that might be like the perfect storm. Yeah, and like
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: just Petunia is like idea of like, you know, you're
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: a freak because well we know it's just because she
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: was jealous, but like having that kind of mentality of
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: like you know, you're a freak, and all this kind
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: of stuff, like I could see that could push somebody.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, even Credence's situation could happen in modern times,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: right if you are with parents or adoptive parents, like
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: or just guardians who maybe have these ideas about witchcraft
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: and evil and all that stuff, which is still a
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: thing today. You know, you could see where that could
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: trickle down to the kid, and then if things start happening,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh my gosh, oh no, it's witchcraft.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Oh no, like I got to keep this hidden. I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: can't turn into this because that's evil. So it could
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: very much still be a thing. M h.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: It's very much like a product of the environment. I
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: feel like it's very a it's in that like you know,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: if you were to put like the nature versus nurture
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: debate with Obscurio, I feel like it's much more at
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: the nurture piece because you're you know, you've got Arianna,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: who you know, had I mean, you know, obviously there's
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: still a lot we don't know about, like what happened
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: to her, and we can only kind of speculate, but
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: you have that situation of kind of like being teased
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: in trauma and all of that to the point where
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: you suppress out of a trauma response. And then you know,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: you've got, like we just talked about with credence, kind
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: of being in this environment that is very like this
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: is bad and all this kind of thing. So I
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: just can't see, like, you know, like I could never
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: see like one of the Weasley children becoming an obsteria,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: right because they were in a very like loving environment
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: that had magic everywhere from the moment they were born,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: and it was very like, very accepting obviously of magic.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Being a you know, pure blood family, yeah, I think
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't see it so much there as like a
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: genetic condition. Like it's much more as I.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: Think that's all. Yeah, that's why they show us this
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: backstory on credence and how he was terribly abused by
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: his caretaker at you know, and how you know, everything
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: he was going through in all of these things, all
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: this burden that he was caring and how did it
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: all explode it in the end, like literally exploded. So
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: I think it's very like I think they they really
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: managed to to you know, make us realize, Okay, this
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: is you know, not anyone can be an obscurious like
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: this is very like particular cases, but it can still
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: be applied to today because there are still child children
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: who either you know, come you know, from foster homes
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: or places that maybe they don't receive the love and
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: care that they need, and they are you know, forced
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: to suppress their magic, they're forced to suppress their feelings,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: or they're abused, and you know, obviously that all comes
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: to this stage in which you know, there's no you know,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: there's no turning back. So yeah, I think it can
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: still be applied to to today. And hence why the
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: reason that these still exist even if they are still
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: rarer than they were probably ninety years ago.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: Do we think that? I mean, because if you're you know,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: really thinking about it again, right and kind of going
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: back to Harry. It seems like everything about Harry's environment
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: was the perfect breeding ground, if you will, for him
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: to turn into an obscurio. Do we think the fact
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: that like he's a Hore Crocks and had a part
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: of Baltimore inside him was like this protection against it.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: It could be. I also just think he's so unaware,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: like he honestly doesn't know why this stuff is happening.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: He doesn't know that he's doing it. I think just
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: his blissful ignorance kind of helps him out there because
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know to suppress it, because he's like, I
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: don't know, I just stand it up on the roof.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I guess.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe my thought of it happening more with
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: like mubble born children. Maybe not. Maybe they are more
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: protected from it because they have that innocence and they
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: don't know about the Wizarding world and so yeah, they
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: just they don't know what. They're not suppressing anything because
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: they don't know what. They don't know what they would
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: be suppressing, like they don't know what it is.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, huh, maybe that's why it's so rare because you
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: do have to have that situation where you're aware that
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: you are the one creating these situations and these anomalies,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: and you also have to have the thinking that those
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: things need to be suppressed, so like you have to
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: be aware that you're doing it and want to suppress.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: It for it to actually happen, which makes a lot
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: of sense in a situation like Ariana Dumbledore, right, because
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: obviously she's very aware of magic, being part of the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Dumbledore family, and then it's kind of like, you know,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: this traumatic experience happens to her, and then that's when
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: the suppression happens as a response to the trauma, not
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: even necessarily so much of like I just don't want
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: to be have magic anymore. It's just maybe sometimes you
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: just have an event that happens to you that's so traumatic. Again,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: it kind of goes back to the depression and that
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: kind of thing we were talking about where it's just
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: you're just incapable kind of and we actually see this
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: happen in other things, Like I was just thinking about
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: the Witcher and I haven't read the books or played
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: the video games, but have seen the couple. The first
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: couple seasons of the show, and I think it's And
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: now I'm not going to like say specifics because I
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: might be wrong here, and you know, there might be
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: people listening to this right now that are like, that's
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: not right. But I feel like the one girl, she
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: like something happens and she does like lose her powers,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: and it's almost like after this like traumatic thing. I
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: might be misremembering it, but I feel like we see
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: that in other mediums, where like there is this magical
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: power or something and like something traumatic happens to you
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: and then you can no longer channel or you can
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: no longer tap into whatever that power was. And so
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's being suppressed, but you're not even actively suppressing it.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: It's almost like this subconscious suppression of it as a
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: trauma response. And obviously you've got this magic in you
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: that wants to come out, and it's just like building
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: and building and building, it can't come out, because I
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: guess with those muggle born children it does come out, right,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Like we see Harry's magic come out. He just doesn't
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: know it's magic, right, h You know, And now that
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: Fantastic Beasts is more likely than not canceled. They could
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: have explored this more. And you know that they were
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: going to write because we introduced Ariana and they started
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: the whole she was an obscurist, obscurial and then now.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: The acts and we're not going.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: To learn more about it.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: I'll never forgive them.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Nope, Warner Brothers, if you are listening.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: I am carrying that grudge with me to the grave.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: You stole my last two movies from me. Yes, that's it.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to learn more about her. But maybe
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: we'll get you know, obscurials again in some form to
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: learn more about them, because I think the Fantastic Beast
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: films we did start to learn more about them, you know,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: but I think there's still a lot we don't know
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: and they're very, very interesting. And so I just had
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: a couple more two there's ones I wanted to talk
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: through that are actually kind of related in a way.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: So the first one I had was the Acromantula. And
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: you know there are spiders, right, but I wanted to
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: include them because like, they're not your ordinary house spider, right,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: They're like this enormous, monstrous, a eyed spider. It's capable
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: of human speech.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: They're like, fine, find in Australia.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: Probably, yeah, yes, yes, Like at some point spiders. The
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: thing that's terrifying is like, like I get a lot
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: of spiders in my apartment all the time, and I
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: always just call them Aragoga and everything like that. It's
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: been nice because actually I used to be really afraid
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: of them, and now I'm not so much because they
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: just kind of sit in the corner and don't really
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: do anything. But I yeah, I'm just like, man, one day,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: are these spiders going to evolve? Like they're listening to
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: us talk all the time, right, Like everybody has so
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: many spiders in their house, whether you know it or not.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: They are in your walls. They're They're sorry if that's
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: scary and triggering for anyone, but it's true. There's so
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: many spiders. They just sometimes sometimes you see them, sometimes
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: you don't, and they're just listening to you talk. And
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: maybe one day they're gonna evolve. If it happens, it'll
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: be in Australia. But like, absolutely terrifying. If my spiders
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: start walking like they do walk, but if they start
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: talking one day, I will suck them up in my
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: vacuum cleaner even quicker than I already do because man,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: you know, but yeah, you've got these massive spiders that
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: have this thick black hair that covers their body. Their
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: legs span can reach up to fifteen feet. They've got
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: pinchers that have a distinctive clicking sound, right, the pincers
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: when they get excited or angry. But like, you don't
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: know if they're excited or angry, so you should just
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: or run either way. Yeah, they might be both. And
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: pinchers are poisonous either way. Yeah, either way, it's dangerous.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Get out of there. And the female acromancholas are bigger
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: than the males and they can lay up to one
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: hundred eggs at a time. Wow, which is just terrifying.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: The eggs of the acromanchula are defined as a class
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: A non tradable good by the Department for Regulation and
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Control of Magical Creatures. There are severe penalties attached to
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: their importation or sale, understandably because they're scary, and they
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: also do have a high classification in that rating scale
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: of the Ministry of Magic classification. So it is believed
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: that these acromanchilas are wizard bred, possibly with the intention
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: to guard a wizard dwelling or treasure but then eventually
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: there was the ban on experimental breeding that took effect
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty five, and that is when you kind
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: of stop seeing them be bread. And I think what's
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: also really scary about them is they have near human intelligence.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: Obviously they can speak, right, but they're all so highly untrainable,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: and they're highly dangerous to both muggles and wizards because
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: they kind of like, we don't we're not going to
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: submit to humans. So we do see that the colony
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: of Acromanchulas that live in the Forbidden Forest are pretty
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say friendly, but they tolerate Hagrid. They've been
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: there since the nineteen forties, you know. And really the
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: reason they tolerate Hagrid, though, is because of Aragog. Right,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: Hagrid raised Aragog, and Aragog becomes the patriarch of this colony.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: And once we see Aragog die, this colony of Acromanchula's
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: turns on Hagrid and they're like, you're no longer, we
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: don't care anymore. So they're scary, and I think that
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: it even shows that very rarely can somebody who even
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: appreciates them as a creature like Hagrid does. They don't care.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's scary. And also the fact
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: that they talk, you would think, Okay, that might be
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: something I can use to my advantage because I can
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: maybe tell them please don't need me, let me go,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: you know, I can you know, I can do anything,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: yeah with them, you know. And but no, it's it's
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: even worse because they never submit and you're done for.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Well. I think it's interesting the thing about the Acromancholas
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: that ended up joining kind of Valdemore. Obviously they did
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: it of their own volition, you know, but I wonder
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: if he had any kind of control over them, just
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: being like the powerful wizard that he is, or maybe
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: it's just maybe they had respect for him. I don't know.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting, right because we see we do see
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: these moments where like you know, Aragod did have like
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: an affinity for Hagrid and was able to convince the
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: rest of his family, hey, this human, well this half
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: to human, don't hurt this one. This is one that
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: we don't touch. Did Baltimore have any of that similar
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: sway or was it just like we get to be
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: part of this army that can go and kill and
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: eat and destroy, so that's why we're doing it. It's
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: like that's their intrinsic motivation. They don't really care what
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: they're fighting for, who they're fighting for. It's just an
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: opportunity for them to be their true selves.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: I almost think like they just picked what they thought
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: was going to be the winning side. They would get
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: them access to as many humans to eat as possible.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: Probably very similar to the Dementors.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: Really, at the end of the day, they don't they
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: don't care about Baltimore or.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: They would probably eat him if the opportunity presented themselves.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: Huh interesting. Yeah, And so the last one that I
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: had here was the basilist, because you know, I'm Slytherin,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: I had to end with a snake, and the basilisk
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: is also known as the King of Serpents. Basilisks are
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: obviously not just a Harry Potter thing either, you know,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: they're in Muggle mythology as well, but they're a green
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: serpent that can reach up to fifty feet in length.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: They have venomous fangs, but their most dangerous mean of
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: attack is obviously the gaze of their large yellow eyes.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: And looking directly into the eyes of a bassilisk is
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: instant death. The first recorded basilisk was bred by the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Greek dark wizard and parcelmouth Herpo the Fowl. He discovered
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: that a chicken egg hatched beneath a toad would produce
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: the basilisk, which is still the weirdest thing ever. But yeah,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: so the creation of basilisks has been illegal since medieval times,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: so I don't know what that meant before medieval times
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: if there was just basilisks roaming around. And as you
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: can imagine, this creature also gets the highest Ministry of
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: Magic classification because it's obviously very dangerous to anyone who
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: is not, you know, a parcel mouth and can't speak
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: parcel tongue. It's really the only person who can control it.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: And even then we don't even know just because you
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: can speak parsonal mouth or just because you are a
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: parcel mouth, Like what is the again? It comes down,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: I guess, to the intrinsic motivation right of this creature,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: like what benefit does it have to listen to you
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: or do your bidding? I think obviously the basilists that
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: we're encountered to is different because it's doing or is
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: not I want well doing the bidding. I guess you
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: could say doing the bidding and listening to very powerful
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: parcel mouths. But but yeah, if you can't speak parcel tongue,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: then you're pretty much sol when it comes to a
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: basil And even that still not it might not even matter,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: might not even matter. And you know, even those really
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: scary acromanchilas are also probably afraid of this basilisk. So yeah,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: but I think the basilist is very cool and would
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: not want to see one, obviously, but I think they're
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: very cool and you know, very curious about the magic
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: behind their gaze, like you know, because it makes sense
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: for a snake to be poisonous and you to kind
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: of meet your end because you were bit by a snake.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: But you know, really with the basilis here is that look?
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah, very interesting? But yeah, so that is just
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: some of the many dark creatures, many of them.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: Many of them.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: You can buy the.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Hogwarts, you know, the safest school outlet, but uh yeah,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: I mean and sometimes you do like the bugger, right,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: you encountered that in a very controlled environment. The other
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: ones maybe not so much. I think they thought the
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: basilast was under control. Clearly it wasn't. But yeah, I mean,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: and then right, you've got Harry, I mean, who has
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: encountered nearly all of the lists that we've talked about today,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: you know, with the exception of a lot of old
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: and obscurists. So yeah, Harry's just doing well. He lived
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: to tell the tale, so lives keeps living. The Boy
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: with Nine Lives. If he became an animagus, he should
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: be a cat, yes, yes, yeah, that could be a
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: discussion for another episode. What would what would these characters
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: Animegus Warms be mm hmm table that idea. I hope
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: you all enjoyed learning maybe a little bit more about
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: these creatures.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: Solem.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: So for this next segment, this is the first time
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: that we're that we're doing it. So basically, Loumas Solem
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: is a place, you know, a place where we're going
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: to highlight good and positive things happening in the fandom,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: from stories that have created an impact on the fandom,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: to upcoming charitable events, or even just stories that tug
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: on our heartstrings a little bit. So this time around,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: we wanted to talk about a very special event coming
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: up in Orlando. So there's nothing better than experiencing an
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: exclusive event at Universal Orlando. Why while supporting a great cause.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: So Give Kids the World, a nonprofit organization, is celebrating
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: their thirty year partnership with Universal by hosting a nineties
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: theme event. It's called Universally Nineties and yes, that includes
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: stressing up in your favorite nineties gear and timeless musical
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: classics from that decade. So yeah, So basically I wanted
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: to give a little bit of a background story on
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: this organization. So basically, the story of Give Kids the
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: World began with Amy, a little girl who was battling
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: leukemia and her wish was to visit the theme parks
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: in Orlando. So this very respected hotelier would grant Amy
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: her wish. Fortunately, due to you know, her travel plans
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: taking too long, her wish was never granted. Unfortunately she
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: passed away. So in light of that event, the hotelier,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: whose name is Henry Landworth, he ensured that story never
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: repeated itself and built Gets the World Village in nineteen
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: eighty six. This is an eighty nine acre nonprofit with
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: whimsical resort in Kissing Me, Florida that provides week long,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: cost free wish vacations to children with critical illnesses and
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: their families and to this day they have welcomed one
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: hundred and ninety three thousand families from all of fifty
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: states and across seventy seven countries. So it's a pretty
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: big you know, it's a pretty big organization. They've you know,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: accomplished a lot in this time, and I think it's
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: a very it has a very heartfelt story and definitely
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: something that's very selfless and you know, just about giving
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: back a little bit of you know, everything we receive
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: and just paying it forward. I think it was really
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: nice to mention this little bit of their story. So
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: going back to the event, you'll have access to a
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: block party at Universal CityWalk, complete with all inclusive food,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: drinks and entertainment. And for Harry Potter fans, there are
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: some special perks so you can enjoy exclusive after hours
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: access to the Wisney world of Harry Potter, Hawk's Meat,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: including Harry Potter, The Forbidding Journey, Hagrid's Magical Creature's Motor
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: Backe Adventure, and Flight of of the Hippogriff. All plutins
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: will go directly to give kids. The World Village and
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: originally scheduled for February first, twenty twenty five, the event
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: has been postponed due to a scheduling conflict, but this
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: is not to worry because they're working closely with Universal
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: to select a new date and are quote excited to
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: host the event later this year. Also, VIP opportunities will
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: be available, so be sure to keep checking their website.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: So their website is GKTW dot org, backslash universally, or
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: you can follow them on Instagram at gktw Village. So
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: you know, if you happen to be in the area
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: and you want to contribute to this amazing cause, keep
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: an eye out for updates on this magical event and yeah,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: join in to make a difference in the lives of
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: countless children.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Sounds like a really cool event for a really
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: great cause.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, and Harry Potter, so what could be better? So yeah,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: that wraps up our Louis Slim debut.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: Sonoris. So now for Sonoris. Last episode's question was what
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  Speaker 1: is your favorite special effect from the Harry Potter films?
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  Speaker 1: We got a couple of answers here, So so from Jerry,
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  Speaker 1: we got this really great email. Jerry says, I have
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  Speaker 1: vision issues that makes following the details of movies difficult,
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  Speaker 1: and sorting through the details of special effects even more difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Much of the time, what matters to me is how
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  Speaker 1: does an effector scene advance the story for me? And
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  Speaker 1: can I follow it? Some often praised scenes like the
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  Speaker 1: duel between Dumbledore and Valdemore at the end of Order
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  Speaker 1: of the Phoenix don't resonate with me, as there's so
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  Speaker 1: much detail that I can't follow what is going on
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  Speaker 1: as my eyes can't focus fast enough. This is one
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  Speaker 1: reason I enjoy the best of the various movie magic books,
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  Speaker 1: as I can actually see some of the details that
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  Speaker 1: others can see when watching the films. That's a really
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  Speaker 1: great point. Those books are fantastic for pausing the moments.
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  Speaker 1: Jerry goes on to say, I think my favorite special
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  Speaker 1: effect in the eight Harry Potter movies is when Harry
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  Speaker 1: flies on Buckbeak, as it so conveys the joy of
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  Speaker 1: flight and freedom and accomplishment when Harry had been so
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  Speaker 1: nervous and frightened as the scene opened. I have never
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  Speaker 1: forgiven the folks who set up the first Harry Potter
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  Speaker 1: the exhibition that didn't allow photos, saying Jerry's same, Yeah, true,
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  Speaker 1: since I couldn't get my photo taken with my hand
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  Speaker 1: outstretched toward Buckbeek's beak, not to mention that I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get photos of those lovely pudding courses in the Great Hall.
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  Speaker 1: Among the ones I like the least are the various
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  Speaker 1: centaur scenes scattered throughout in the moving staircase in Movie one.
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  Speaker 1: I think the best centaurs that have been created in
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  Speaker 1: the Wizarding World are the ones you see through the
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  Speaker 1: window of the Hogwarts express at Universal Orlando. The rest
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  Speaker 1: just don't look like centaurs to me, And my mental
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  Speaker 1: image of the moving staircases was never that they would
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  Speaker 1: physically move like that like that while you watched, but
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  Speaker 1: that one time you went up a staircase it ended
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  Speaker 1: in one place, and another time it ended somewhere else,
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  Speaker 1: but the changes taking place when no one was looking.
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  Speaker 1: So I always felt that those first moving staircases were
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  Speaker 1: just created to show the viewer that this place is magic,
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  Speaker 1: but they never worked for me.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. My favorite special effects in all the Wizarding World
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  Speaker 1: movies are from Fantastic Beast films, The a Rumpet Meeting
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  Speaker 1: Dance classic, The Birth of the Chillin Before the Murder
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  Speaker 1: of the mother in the last one, the manticorus, swivel dance,
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  Speaker 1: and so on, And I now realize that these all,
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  Speaker 1: like my favorite special effects from the Harry Potter movies,
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  Speaker 1: involve a beast and a beloved person interacting with that beast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so true, and I like those that show the personalities
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  Speaker 1: of both the beast and the person or person's so
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  Speaker 1: all that the special effects need to do is to
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  Speaker 1: not get in the way of letting the filmmaker and
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  Speaker 1: actor show those personalities.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely some good calls there, I feel like, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like with the Centaurs, I agree with you, Jerry. I
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  Speaker 2: think I mentioned that during the episode as the Centaurs
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  Speaker 2: were one that were kind of iffy for me too,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that, yeah, one reason why that the
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  Speaker 2: center looks so good at Universal Orlando. It's just maybe
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  Speaker 2: even updated technology, but it does. I do think it
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  Speaker 2: looks good in that scene as well, and I do
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  Speaker 2: think I think I put in our doc of episode
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  Speaker 2: ideas to maybe kind of redo that episode, but with
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  Speaker 2: talking about Fantastic Beasts as well. So definitely I think
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  Speaker 2: more to come because I'd love to talk about that
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  Speaker 2: film as well. And yes, the Birth of the chillen
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  Speaker 2: that whole scene. Absolutely love the.
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  Speaker 3: Depth of the baby chillens such huge trauma. It makes
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  Speaker 3: me hard. It makes it hard for me to we
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  Speaker 3: watch that film because I don't want to get to
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  Speaker 3: that scene.
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  Speaker 2: And it being like the opening like of that film too,
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  Speaker 2: like it's yeah more to come on that.
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  Speaker 1: Wa Yeah they hit you with that, yeah right at
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  Speaker 1: the front. Yeah sorry, oh yeah. Yeah. So thank you
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  Speaker 1: for that, Jerry, great thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: There, As always, Jerry, you have very very great thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: Very thoughtful. Then we got a couple comments from Instagram
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  Speaker 1: as well, from Lucy Hermione putting books away in the
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  Speaker 1: library and Goblet of Fire. It's a simpler effect, but
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  Speaker 1: to me it makes the world so normal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah is it Goblet of is it? Haplot? Prince? Isn't
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  Speaker 3: it the scene in Halfloot Prince where she's putting the
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  Speaker 3: books out away?
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  Speaker 2: Does that happen in Goblet of Fire?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: The scene in Goblet of Fire? Why And she like
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  Speaker 2: says to Harry about like being the chosen one or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and he goes, but I am.
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  Speaker 3: The chos scene, aren't they?
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that in the library?
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  Speaker 1: That's half blood?
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  Speaker 3: Prince's half blood prints, so that scene was done there
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  Speaker 3: is there are books floating.
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  Speaker 1: Was a deleted scene or did it make the film? Though?
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  Speaker 1: And Gobblet of Fire, they weren't they researching for the
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  Speaker 1: second task, but.
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  Speaker 3: They don't well a level with Gilly Wall and they
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  Speaker 3: do have books floating around. He had the book, but
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  Speaker 3: her mind's not holding any books, like she's not putting
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  Speaker 3: them away.
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  Speaker 2: Right, we're seeing Prince Yeah, either way, I agree, because
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of like anytime we see the magic that's
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  Speaker 2: not in a scene where it's like the focus is
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  Speaker 2: the magic. I think of that one we're in the
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  Speaker 2: Borough and stuff as well, and you just kind of
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  Speaker 2: see like the scrub the brush or the pan being
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  Speaker 2: scrubbed by the brush. It's like that's not the focus
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  Speaker 2: of the scene, but there's that attention to detail of
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  Speaker 2: all the little magic happening around that, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: Lucy just kind of makes the world seem so normal
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  Speaker 2: and natural and that we just have magic happening all
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  Speaker 2: around all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, agreed, definitely. Yeah, And then Jared says Dumbledore manipulating
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  Speaker 1: the water while fighting Baltimore at the Ministry of Magic. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that is so cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this has been a really fun episode. Lots
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  Speaker 1: to think about for sure, Yeah, some messed up stuff
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  Speaker 1: in the wizarding world.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and maybe eventually we'll have a part two on
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  Speaker 2: this conversation as well, because there is a lot of
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  Speaker 2: creatures that we didn't have to talk about today.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and who knows, maybe that will be for
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