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The Drama, Mishaps And F1 Scandals The Podcast No Grip With Lily Herman · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: Aro dot net, r r oe dot net. Not just
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Speaker 1: Enjoy your exploration, lily. When it comes to weather like this,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're out there, aren't you with F one?
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Speaker 1: I mean the thunderstorms don't get in your guys' way,
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Speaker 1: does it?
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Speaker 2: You know what rain doesn't thunderstorms. It depends depends on
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Speaker 2: the how close they are.
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Speaker 3: But they will.
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Speaker 2: They will stretch it to the limit as far as
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Speaker 2: having to cancel a RaSE or postpone or pause RaSE.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, they will race in the wet, no doubt.
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Speaker 1: I got to give you a big kudos and compliment
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Speaker 1: with no grip in the way that you are helping
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Speaker 1: to educate we people who are not really one hundred
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Speaker 1: percent educated on F one racing. We know what it is.
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Speaker 1: We've seen movies. We've watched it on TV, but my god, Lily,
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Speaker 1: you really give us a story here.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, that's that's very nice to hear.
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Speaker 1: And what is your connection to that, because I mean,
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Speaker 1: I mean for you to really bring it to a
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Speaker 1: level of cause I'm down here in NASCAR country. We
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Speaker 1: think every race should be like Nascar. Well, that's not
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Speaker 1: going to happen at the F one.
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Speaker 2: No, they well they don't do ovals and F one,
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Speaker 2: right they actually, you know, they have attempted in the
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Speaker 2: past to do ovals and F one. It to not
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Speaker 2: go well generally speaking, so but yeah, you know F one, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: very I think. I think Nascar, I do follow little
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Speaker 2: bit of Nascar has its own really high points and
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Speaker 2: interesting storylines and whatnot. I think F one there's something
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Speaker 2: about how global it is, how kind of intriguing. It's
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Speaker 2: also a little glamorous in a very European way.
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Speaker 3: I would say.
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Speaker 2: They will say they they're very European, but they love
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Speaker 2: American money. When they love they love to take hours.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I.
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Speaker 2: Think, you know, it's what I love about Formula one
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Speaker 2: is that, obviously you see a lot of really great racing, right,
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Speaker 2: and this is the sport's been around for over seventy
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Speaker 2: five years at this point. But I've found that if
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Speaker 2: you understand a little bit of you know, the culture,
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Speaker 2: what's going on in the paddock or outside of the track,
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Speaker 2: you actually get a better racing experience or viewing experience
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Speaker 2: of races since you have a better idea of Okay, who, yeah,
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Speaker 2: who's just struggling outside of this car or who which
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Speaker 2: two drivers are you know, known sworn enemies or rivals
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Speaker 2: and are are now duking it out on the track?
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Speaker 2: Right we have you know, we're talking last week. The
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Speaker 2: big news in the first race, or one of the
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Speaker 2: big storylines was, you know, Estebano Konn Pierre Ghastly. They
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Speaker 2: were friends in their youth who then had some major
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Speaker 2: falling out in their teens, and they've been having a race,
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Speaker 2: you know, against each other for years and sure enough,
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Speaker 2: you know, they're both French, so they're a little bit
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Speaker 2: spirited in that way.
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Speaker 3: And they came wheel to.
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Speaker 2: Wheel in Australia, and of course loved to see it
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Speaker 2: because that's just a fun a fun rivalry and a
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Speaker 2: fun beef.
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you brought up Australia because that's
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Speaker 1: your first episode. I mean you take us down under.
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Speaker 1: Many of us don't realize, like you said, this is
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Speaker 1: a global sport. And even though like we've seen it
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Speaker 1: in movies or we've seen it like when I was
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Speaker 1: a kid, it was on Wide World of Sports, you
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Speaker 1: still take us to Australia and give us a different
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Speaker 1: vibe about it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, every race different, different five different fans that they
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Speaker 2: were just in China, they're about to be in Japan
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Speaker 2: and yeah, just a different and obviously all the tracks
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Speaker 2: are different too, so you have to know not just
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Speaker 2: obviously the climate, the fans, you have to know the
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Speaker 2: circuits themselves can really really differ. And all these teams
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Speaker 2: and drivers are up against new rules and regulations this year,
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Speaker 2: which the drivers have had much to say about those.
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Speaker 2: So you're with Australia. We really didn't know we were
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Speaker 2: getting right, and it turned out to be. I found
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Speaker 2: it to be a very entertaining race and a fascinating race.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, you really you really get a different sense
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Speaker 2: of place with every single race weekend in the sport.
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Speaker 1: What do you do in a situation like we just
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Speaker 1: had when I when the Iranian War was the shut down,
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Speaker 1: the race. How do we make up that race? Do
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Speaker 1: you move it to a different country? Everybody, including the fans.
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Speaker 2: Uh, They typically do not because it's just well, to
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Speaker 2: your point, it's global, right. So they they have these
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Speaker 2: you know, these F one teams have these massive you know,
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Speaker 2: operations logistics departments, right, and they already are working over
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Speaker 2: time to figure out how to get cars from Australia
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Speaker 2: to China to Japan. They have multiple teams with different
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Speaker 2: cars and equipment going to different places at the same time.
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Speaker 2: So in the past, when they've had to uh, excuse me,
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Speaker 2: to cancel things pretty late, you know, the season's already going,
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Speaker 2: they just sort of said, you know what, we're just
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Speaker 2: gonna drop it. It's gonna be, you know, in this case,
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Speaker 2: like a twenty two race season for now, just because
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Speaker 2: it's so hard to uh to plan around, particularly because
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Speaker 2: the season goes from from March to December already, right,
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's hard to uh, and they have
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Speaker 2: some mandated rules around, you know, a summer break and whatnot.
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Speaker 2: So you know, obviously the teams, you know, the sponsors,
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Speaker 2: Liberty Media, which owns F one, they don't want to
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Speaker 2: cancel race. That's a lot of money to lose, but
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Speaker 2: they unfortunately, they don't really have a choice in this case,
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Speaker 2: and I think their decision to cancel those races was
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Speaker 2: the right one. They did have a race a few
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Speaker 2: years ago in Saudi Arabia where there there was some
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Speaker 2: explosions nearby and there were some bomb threats. Yeah, really
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Speaker 2: close to the circuit, and obviously the drivers wanted wanted
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Speaker 2: a meeting with the higher ups because they want to
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Speaker 2: make sure they are not going to, you know, get
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Speaker 2: get in a situation they want to they want to
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Speaker 2: be alive at the end of the race that they start.
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Speaker 2: So that race did go on, but I'm not surprised
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Speaker 2: that they decided in this case that maybe it wasn't
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Speaker 2: the best best call to keep those going.
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Speaker 1: Daniel Ricardo I call him the Mario Andretti of this
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Speaker 1: generation only because of his personality. Mario made us love
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Speaker 1: the sport, and I just feel like that Daniel is
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Speaker 1: going to do the same thing with a new generation
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Speaker 1: of fans.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's I love that episode that we
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Speaker 2: got to start with it because I think, you know,
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Speaker 2: his his story is so fascinating, given that now you
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Speaker 2: know he's he's like I'm out of motor racing.
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Speaker 3: I'm retired.
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Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know if he will be forever
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Speaker 2: my guy, but but you have people who, yeah, like
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Speaker 2: I have friends who who including the person who was
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Speaker 2: our guest for that episode, who really came to find
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Speaker 2: their love through for the sport, through Daniel Ricardo and
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Speaker 2: through his racing. So it's yeah, it's been interesting to see,
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Speaker 2: you know what, what came with him over his time,
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Speaker 2: you know, in F one and the fact that it
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Speaker 2: ends on this sort of weird, kind of sour note
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Speaker 2: is interesting. But I like to think his story is
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Speaker 2: more of a to be continued than you know, a
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Speaker 2: period on it. I would I would love to see
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Speaker 2: him back in some capacity if even if it isn't
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Speaker 2: some other racing series.
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Speaker 1: Yea, I know he's doing play by play or something
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Speaker 1: or for he's out there on the field with that
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Speaker 1: microphone in his hand. There's just something about his experience
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Speaker 1: that thickens the storytelling. I mean, he can get the dirt.
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Speaker 1: The rest of us are sitting here waiting for the dirt.
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Speaker 1: I think he could get the dirt.
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Speaker 3: He also knows when, when and how to stir the pot.
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying you could get it. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: absolutely no, I would.
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Speaker 2: I would love to see him back in some capacity
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Speaker 2: there or Yeah. Like I honestly, I was kind of
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Speaker 2: rooming for him for a bit to go to an
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Speaker 2: Indie car or some other series. But like I said,
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Speaker 2: I think for right now, maybe he needed a beat
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Speaker 2: to figure out what life looks like post F one, which, hey,
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Speaker 2: a lot of people need need that time too.
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Speaker 1: So am I being just a critic, you know, armchair
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Speaker 1: quarterback when I say that Brad Pitt almost got it
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Speaker 1: in that movie. I just felt like that it was
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Speaker 1: missing something because what I see and what you guys
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Speaker 1: deliver with F one, I didn't feel it in that movie.
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Speaker 1: What about you? Because I'm feeling something with your podcast
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Speaker 1: and it's more than what I got out of that movie.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny you should mention the movie because we do.
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Speaker 2: Our next episode coming up next week, Head of the
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Speaker 2: Japanese Grand Prix is about the worst motor sports movie
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Speaker 2: of all time. It is not the F one movie,
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Speaker 2: I will say. My producer, Yelle high for him, it
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Speaker 2: is the F one movie, and he was very upset
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Speaker 2: when I said it was not what I wanted to cover.
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Speaker 2: You'll hear him be very passionate about his dislike for
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Speaker 2: the F one movie in that episode for a little bit.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, I Brad Pitt.
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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, Brad Pitt is.
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Speaker 2: Much older than even the oldest drivers are, So it's
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Speaker 2: kind of hard to ignore that You've got you know,
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Speaker 2: like a kind of late fifties, maybe even sixty at
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Speaker 2: this point, you know, driving around in a sport where
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Speaker 2: the oldest drivers are you know, early mid forties and that,
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Speaker 2: and that's considered like, oh, you're you know, on the
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Speaker 2: really stretching it at this point in pro sports, especially
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Speaker 2: something like F one.
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Speaker 3: So I think.
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Speaker 2: Also, you know that movie, just speaking as far as
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Speaker 2: race logistics, an F one race week in last three days,
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Speaker 2: that movie only shows the races you don't show, for.
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Speaker 3: Instance, how do you qualify?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: Why? Why is Why is Brad's F one team you know,
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Speaker 2: always in the back? Like how do they end up there?
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Speaker 2: Why can't they just go to the front. If I'm
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Speaker 2: not a n F one fan, I'd be wondering why
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Speaker 2: he didn't have to start back there in the first place,
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Speaker 2: you know, Like, why can't they just drive to the
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Speaker 2: front and call it a day. So yeah, I will
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Speaker 2: also say he seems to be wearing veneers in that
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Speaker 2: movie in there, very blinding. I struggled a little bit
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Speaker 2: with the Veneers because I was watching on you like
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Speaker 2: a giant Imax screen, and I was like, man, I
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Speaker 2: need sunglasses in this theater whenever he's kind of smiling
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Speaker 2: at night. But yeah, you know, I enjoyed it. You know,
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Speaker 2: I watched it in like a heavily air conditioned suburban
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Speaker 2: movie theater when I was visiting home over the summer.
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Speaker 2: And it's a good blockbuster for that. But yeah, I
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Speaker 2: don't know many people who weren't into F one who
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Speaker 2: are now like deeply into Formula one, the series, you know,
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Speaker 2: the racing series because of that movie.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, please do not move.
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Speaker 1: There's more with Lily Herman coming up next. The name
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Speaker 1: of the podcast is No Grip. We are back with
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Speaker 1: Lily Herman. We are convinced that the reason why you're
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Speaker 1: such a brilliant storyteller with No Grip is because you
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Speaker 1: had the experience before this, like when you were doing
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Speaker 1: Friends to Lovers that podcast, that that's where you learned
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Speaker 1: how to create relationship that you know the story and
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Speaker 1: somehow some way. You've got to get that listener to
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Speaker 1: buy into the story, and you've mastered that art. Do
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Speaker 1: you agree with that that it took those other podcasts
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Speaker 1: and other things that you did in order to make
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Speaker 1: this one such a brilliant display.
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Speaker 3: Oh, well, thank thank you. It's very kind. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Frienz Lovers was a fun, you know, early pandemic project.
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Speaker 2: Choosing Sides, which was the other F one show I
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Speaker 2: worked on. Yeah, that one, in particular, I think was
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Speaker 2: really instructive and understanding. You know, how do you tell
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Speaker 2: the history of something that has a very, very long
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Speaker 2: history in a way that is entertaining for people who
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Speaker 2: maybe don't have previous context, right, Like, how do you know?
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Speaker 2: In that case for those who don't know, I had
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Speaker 2: an F one show during the twenty twenty two F
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Speaker 2: one season called Choosing Sides F one. My co host
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Speaker 2: at the time was Michael Costa, who is a correspondent
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Speaker 2: on The Daily Show, and he knew nothing about F one.
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Speaker 2: He's actually a tennis guy, and so the point of
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Speaker 2: the show was can I take Michael through all of
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Speaker 2: the teams and drivers on the Grid that season? And yeah,
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Speaker 2: and at the end he had to pick a favorite
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Speaker 2: driver and a team to root for. And but yeah,
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Speaker 2: a lot of these teams have histories going back in
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Speaker 2: some cases, you know, at this point seventy eighty even
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Speaker 2: one hundred years. How do you condense that into a
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Speaker 2: you know, a forty minute episode. I think that's really interesting.
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Speaker 2: And also how do you make it. We have to
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Speaker 2: persuade him, right, and you have to find high points
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Speaker 2: of every team to make Michael interested. So that was
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Speaker 2: I think a really fun experience as far as as yeah,
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Speaker 2: and also you know, I have my own biases and whatnot.
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Speaker 2: How do I make maybe drivers or teams I'm not
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Speaker 2: as interested in or maybe aren't my favorite, how do
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Speaker 2: I make them appealing to Michael so that I can
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Speaker 2: be a good, you know, steward of the sport and
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Speaker 2: shepherd him into it to find what he likes best.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, that was I think a really formative experience
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Speaker 2: that I'm excited to bring some of that energy to
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Speaker 2: No Grip, even though it is is a different show
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Speaker 2: tackling more specifically f one culture.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you said that, you know, you called
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Speaker 1: yourself the steward of the sport. I call you an
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Speaker 1: ambassador of the sport. I'm gonna I'm gonna take you
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Speaker 1: higher because because you are representing something that we you know,
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Speaker 1: for instance, that you could sit here and you could
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Speaker 1: talk about Mark Weber, but because you've been had and
12:05
Speaker 1: had that experience with Mark Weber, we now get something
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Speaker 1: that that ESPN isn't going to cover because it's bigger
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Speaker 1: than a three minute story.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's you know, Mark Webber great example
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Speaker 2: of you know, he's Australian driver, had some interesting radio
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Speaker 2: but he also, for instance, is the manager of Oscar
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Speaker 2: Pastre right, who is the uh, the the ausi on
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Speaker 2: the grit. If you don't know that that adds a
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Speaker 2: little bit of more color commentary to Oscar Pastrey. And
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Speaker 2: you know, he had a bit of an interesting entry
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Speaker 2: to the sport where a different team claimed, apparently without
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Speaker 2: his sign off, that they he was joining their team
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Speaker 2: alp And this is a couple of years ago. It
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Speaker 2: became a very iconic incident in F one and you
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Speaker 2: know Mark Weber was the one behind the scenes managing
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Speaker 2: that whole situation. So if you if you don't know
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Speaker 2: these little details you know, and these inner workings and
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Speaker 2: the interpersonal relationships, you do miss a fun a fun
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Speaker 2: little thing, right, you can still enjoy Oscar pastries racing,
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Speaker 2: or maybe you enjoyed Mark Webber's when he was on
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Speaker 2: the grid. But if you don't have that connection, you're
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Speaker 2: you might be missing a bigger piece of the story
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Speaker 2: there that makes it a lot more enjoyable to watch
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Speaker 2: Oscar now. Of course, Oscar unfortunately has not started either
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Speaker 2: race this year so far, so we'll see if he
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Speaker 2: does any racing in in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: But always has my attention because when when they're not
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Speaker 1: making the racing, that to me tells me there's new
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Speaker 1: people on the horizon and they're all coming in with
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Speaker 1: more competition and it's and that's what I love about
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Speaker 1: F one is that with it being so global, you
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Speaker 1: don't know what that playing field is going to be
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Speaker 1: like this weekend.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can think you can have a car that
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Speaker 2: gets you on the podium one week and then the
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Speaker 2: next week you have you know, different track, different climate,
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Speaker 2: different you know, it's a race circuit versus you know,
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Speaker 2: a Sandalone circuit. You know, the you're a street circuit.
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Speaker 2: I mean you can see anything going on any given
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Speaker 2: week to week, and that's that's also the fun of
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Speaker 2: it is people will try to make predictions right, like, oh,
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Speaker 2: you know this, this team did well this week. Therefore,
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Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, more than almost any other sport.
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Speaker 2: You you really don't know past a certain point most seasons,
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Speaker 2: you know how certain things are going to shake out.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, and certain drivers to your point, certain drivers
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Speaker 2: love to race in wet weather when it's rainy and
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Speaker 2: gross out. Some others completely crumble the second that there
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Speaker 2: is a you know, a drop of rain on the track.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, you never know what you're gonna get.
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Speaker 1: See, that's the difference between North and South Carolina. Here.
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Speaker 1: North Carolinians can drive in the rain. South Carolinians forget it.
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Speaker 1: Get off the road quickly. You're gonna you're gonna get
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Speaker 1: injured out there because they just can't drive in South Carolina.
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Speaker 2: Well, I grew up in Florida, where you'd think they
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Speaker 2: know how to drive in the rain, and yet and
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Speaker 2: yet like it starts raining and they act like they've
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Speaker 2: never seen water before.
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Speaker 1: So now, what is it like for you to walk
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Speaker 1: through the pits and stuff? Do they look at you,
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Speaker 1: lily and just go oh God, or do they go
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Speaker 1: come over here? You haven't covered my story yet get
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Speaker 1: over here.
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Speaker 3: I'm not really in that. I've been to a couple
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Speaker 3: of races.
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Speaker 2: I'm not really ever in the paddock itself, but you know,
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Speaker 2: I will say I am aware of you know, I
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Speaker 2: also have an F one culture newsletter called called Engine Failer.
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Speaker 2: It's been around here about half a decade now. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and I know some teams are subscribed to it. I
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Speaker 2: know they read it. I'm aware of which.
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Speaker 3: Ones and who.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I, you know what, I'm known
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Speaker 2: to put out opinions, and they're well informed opinions, and
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Speaker 2: you know, ones that I thought about a lot, and
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Speaker 2: they're well researched and all of that. But you know
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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that the teams like those opinions. So
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Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting in that I A, yeah, I
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Speaker 2: sort of, I sort of like to keep my distance,
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Speaker 2: but you actually, in that way and and not maybe
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Speaker 2: directly interacting with the teams and drivers, you can actually
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Speaker 2: learn a lot more, right because if you interview these
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Speaker 2: drivers have been media trained to you know, the point
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Speaker 2: a point of absurdity. Right, They're not going to give
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Speaker 2: you much, but if you know, you know some of
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Speaker 2: the biggest go everyone gossips in the paddock, But the
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Speaker 2: biggest gossips are always going to be the the low
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Speaker 2: the lower level people that you wouldn't expect, and they
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Speaker 2: give you all the good, yeah, the good, the good intel,
15:42
Speaker 2: or tell you what to look for, or tell you
15:44
Speaker 2: what's coming down the pike. So I personally prefer that
15:47
Speaker 2: you know the the driver's team principles. Whoever else at
15:50
Speaker 2: the top won't necessarily, you know, give you much and
15:55
Speaker 2: it'll typically be an answer they've given everyone else to
15:57
Speaker 2: before you. So that's that's at least where where I
16:00
Speaker 2: try to report from.
16:01
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to do with a racer
16:03
Speaker 1: is is when when when they want to just give
16:05
Speaker 1: you those short answers and stuff, because you know right
16:07
Speaker 1: away that they're going to give you those answers. So
16:09
Speaker 1: what I'll do is immediately I'll jump into I won't
16:11
Speaker 1: talk about racing, and so you start talking about other
16:15
Speaker 1: things in their life. Boom boom boom, get them talking,
16:17
Speaker 1: make your way back. I mean, it's you've got to
16:18
Speaker 1: play a mental game with them so you can knock
16:20
Speaker 1: them off that well, you know, when we're out there
16:22
Speaker 1: on that field saying I don't want to hear that junk.
16:25
Speaker 1: We've heard that before. What do you do?
16:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, it's goodness.
16:31
Speaker 2: You know, my interview styles have changed over the years,
16:33
Speaker 2: and we do have a couple of bigger named people
16:36
Speaker 2: potentially coming on the show in the future.
16:38
Speaker 3: I think the listen.
16:39
Speaker 2: I try to be really straightforward from the jump as
16:41
Speaker 2: to what's going on it. I never I personally struggle
16:43
Speaker 2: with them. I never want to gotcha anyone because you
16:45
Speaker 2: actually often don't get good answers from that either, like
16:48
Speaker 2: you know, because they're just so flustered that kind of
16:49
Speaker 2: stumble over it. So I think it's it's like you
16:52
Speaker 2: want to build rapport, but I don't want to be
16:53
Speaker 2: anyone's friend, right, I'm no one's besty because that can
16:56
Speaker 2: also be its own its own issue. But you do
16:58
Speaker 2: have to kind of build up a a vibe quickly.
17:01
Speaker 2: That's at least been my approach. I actually I've interviewed
17:05
Speaker 2: fewer F one drivers. I've actually I have done a
17:07
Speaker 2: bunch of entertainment reporting in previous lives. So I have
17:10
Speaker 2: you know, when you're when you're sitting there, you know,
17:12
Speaker 2: staring at Channing Tatum, you know, over zoom and you've
17:15
Speaker 2: got you know, twenty five minutes to chat with him.
17:18
Speaker 2: You're like, Okay, I need to I need to figure
17:19
Speaker 2: this out quickly. So but uh, yeah, no, it is.
17:23
Speaker 2: It is interesting because y F one drivers can be
17:25
Speaker 2: a little tight lipped, not always the biggest fan of press,
17:28
Speaker 2: and they they think they know how to play it
17:30
Speaker 2: at this point, which hey, a lot of them do,
17:32
Speaker 2: and a lot of you know, motorsports folks don't necessarily
17:35
Speaker 2: press them on it at this point.
17:36
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm definitely.
17:38
Speaker 2: Curious to see how how that relationship evolves between media
17:41
Speaker 2: and these these F one drivers and these team principles,
17:43
Speaker 2: especially given you know, the rise of content creators and
17:46
Speaker 2: influencers and whatnot. Because they're in the paddock in drops now.
17:50
Speaker 1: Well one of that's why I rely on on No
17:52
Speaker 1: Grip and I rely on these reporters, and the reason
17:54
Speaker 1: why is because I want them to help fans understand
17:57
Speaker 1: that through thick and thin, no matter how big the drug,
18:00
Speaker 1: the mishaps are, the scandals, it's still a business. So
18:03
Speaker 1: when I heard the story about you know, the owner
18:06
Speaker 1: that fires two drivers, I'm going, Okay, it happens. It
18:09
Speaker 1: is a business. Business has to come first.
18:14
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a it's a ruthless sport.
18:16
Speaker 2: Like I am no obviously, being in the States, I'm
18:20
Speaker 2: used to following what happens with our biggest sports here,
18:23
Speaker 2: right at the NFL or the NBA and whatnot. But
18:26
Speaker 2: F one, they they will just cut you.
18:28
Speaker 3: And never talk to you again in this way.
18:30
Speaker 2: That is very But they're also all on the paddock together,
18:32
Speaker 2: so they're kind of avoiding each other. There's a lot
18:34
Speaker 2: of yeah, a lot of money changing hands. F one
18:36
Speaker 2: is also a very long history of sketchy sponsors, right,
18:38
Speaker 2: they have a they had a years ago, they had
18:41
Speaker 2: a literal Nigerian print scam in the form of an
18:43
Speaker 2: F one sponsor, right, like we all hear of that
18:45
Speaker 2: as far as like early email scams. No, no, they
18:48
Speaker 2: had a guy pretending to be a Nigerian prince essentially
18:50
Speaker 2: in their paddock who had no money. They had a whole, yeah,
18:53
Speaker 2: a whole drama with a fake energy drink sponsor one
18:56
Speaker 2: of the teams a few years ago. So yeah, it's
18:58
Speaker 2: you've got a lot of money changing hands, a lot
19:00
Speaker 2: of bit of dubious origin, which is also really fun
19:02
Speaker 2: to watch, and uh yeah it's and it's it's just
19:07
Speaker 2: so much money too. Like that's the thing, is, you know,
19:10
Speaker 2: compared to NASCAR indiecar which which also you know, pulling
19:13
Speaker 2: a fair chunk of change. You are you know, you're
19:15
Speaker 2: looking at at just you know, so much dough on
19:19
Speaker 2: the table in the sport, which I personally find it fascinating.
19:21
Speaker 3: And yeah, I love a little a little sponsored drama.
19:24
Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you?
19:27
Speaker 1: Because twenty minutes with you is never, never, never going
19:30
Speaker 1: to be enough.
19:31
Speaker 3: Well that's very kind.
19:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, So No Grip is on the iHeart app, It's
19:36
Speaker 2: on Spotify, Apple podcasts, everywhere else you get your your podcasts.
19:40
Speaker 2: I also do write, yeah, and f one culture newsletter
19:43
Speaker 2: called Engine Failure. You can find that at Engine Failure
19:45
Speaker 2: f one dot com. And our show on social media
19:48
Speaker 2: is that No Grip podcast. So lots to look forward
19:51
Speaker 2: to and yeah, me really, it's gonna be a really
19:54
Speaker 2: really fun season.
19:55
Speaker 1: Oh I can't wait to talk with you again, because
19:56
Speaker 1: one of these days we need to break down that
19:58
Speaker 1: newsletter in the way that I call you the backstage
20:00
Speaker 1: pass that everybody wants, and they've got to find you.
20:03
Speaker 1: And that's what I want people to do. They need
20:05
Speaker 1: to get to this newsletter so they understand the sport
20:08
Speaker 1: and they can grow with it.
20:10
Speaker 2: Wow, that's very kind. Yes, everyone join us. There's a
20:13
Speaker 2: lot of chaos and a lot to cover.
20:15
Speaker 1: I love it. Please have a brilliant day today and
20:18
Speaker 1: please come back to the show anytime in the future.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.