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Elon Musk, JD Vance, Putin & the EU: A Young Globalist Answers Back – with Jovan Jovanović · Gunther Fehlinger Podcast

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  This is going to failing us podcast here from Vienna.
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  We are live and we are English today because we have a very
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  special guest. But first let me make an
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  announcement again. The last fire Races session was
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  subscribing and please continue to do so.
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  We are crashing today 120,000 tonics because we have Elon Musk
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  who is making a lot of noise about European, American
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  affairs. And of course, this is nonsense,
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  what it says, but nevertheless, it creates a lot of attention on
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  the issues of global governance, on the issues of world
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  governance, on the issues of EU, US relations.
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  And today I'm very honored to have a special guest here at the
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  podcast, a young but very dynamic personality.
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  He's Jovan Jovanovic, and he is here to talk about the World
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  Economic Forum, about Klaus Schwab and about the Munich
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  Security Conference and much more.
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  And I think you are calling yourself a globalist and that
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  will be very interesting. But we want to learn about you.
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  Please, Yovan, introduce yourself and let's discuss what
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  exactly is a globalist. Please, Yovan.
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  Thank you very much, Gunter, for for having me in general.
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  Yeah. So my name is Yovan.
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  I'm 24 years old. I have a start up in the AI
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  segment. We do automations for for tax
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  advisors and auditors, but I'm also highly engaged in politics
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  or generally international relations.
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  I'm a global shaper, hence the the categorization of a
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  globalist. Maybe maybe short introduction.
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  What the the shapers are? What connection it has?
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  Let's start with you, because we're interested.
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  In the person and the person behind.
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  This and you are on the way up and you have your own IT
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  company. Yes, I have an AI company.
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  It's actually got birthed out of a project from the Global
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  Shapers, which is actually quite interesting.
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  We tried to do something good for the community in Salzburg,
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  reskilling to help the people get those skills they need for
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  the future of the economy in the fourth industrial revolution.
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  And through that, we got input that AI is not only needed to
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  like generate images or make funny videos, but also to
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  automate repetitive tasks that are like the same every single
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  time. So in the back office,
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  administrative tasks, emails, things like that.
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  And with that feedback, I thought like, OK, the market is
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  here. The people that are highly
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  efficient and can do AI, data scientists, they're also here.
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  Why not do something? So we decided to do something.
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  We founded Novamundi, which is our company name and are now
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  finishing up the MVP and starting the launch in the
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  beginning of next year. Very good.
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  It's a successful startup company.
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  You have built it when. It's, I mean, it's been in the
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  works for months and months and months, but the legal entity
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  only exists since November because we got investors first
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  and then after everything was negotiated, equity funding,
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  venture capital, like all of that, then we founded the legal
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  company and now we're on our merry, merry way.
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  Very good. So it already has funding and
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  venture capital inside. Yes, congratulations.
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  Thank you very much. You're kind of this young
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  dynamic startup elite of Austria.
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  I mean that that's your words, not mine, but I'm gladly going
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  to take that compliment. Thank you very much. 24 like the
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  new Elon Musk of Austria. I wouldn't go that far.
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  I wouldn't go that far. We will discuss about Elon Musk.
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  Different politics? Maybe, but.
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  You're just 24 and so you have achieved a lot.
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  You have also studied and yeah. I'm still studying actually law
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  full time. Law in Salzburg.
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  In Salzburg, yes. And I'm also part time employed
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  at an auditor at video and also engaged in like the NGO
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  activities as mentioned, like Global Shapers and all of that.
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  Very good. Let me ask because you are Jovan
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  Jovanovic, You have a background in Southeastern Europe.
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  Yes, I come from Serbia originally and I moved to
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  Austria 12 years ago I think. So I actually kind of grew up a
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  bit in in Serbia, in England, Yeah, not often Belgrading
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  Pasratts, which is a not that well known city.
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  I don't know if you know it. Not really tell me, because I
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  know Serbia quite well and some in Serbia know me very well
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  because I'm not so popular there.
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  They have some people with others, maybe yes, but I'm very
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  interested because I was very active during the time of
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  change. Each I went 20 times to support
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  the transition towards European Serbia.
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  So I love Serbia. If Serbia loves us, yeah, it's a
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  bit. Fully agree.
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  I could not agree more. It's a love and hate
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  relationship a little bit. But the European values need to
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  come to to Syria and when that happens then we can grow
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  together as a whole united Europe, I think.
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  But at the current moment, the current regime at least kind of
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  hinders that, in my opinion. Absolutely, it's a big problem
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  and the students of Serbia are in constant revolution and they
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  try to change the regime. And that's something I, I
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  honestly really am passionate about because those students,
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  they see what could be, they see Europe, they see the values of
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  the democracy, the right of law that could be, that exists
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  somewhere else and they just wanted in their own home as
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  well. Is that too much to ask for?
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  And and that's why I honestly support the the students for
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  wholeheartedly. They have deserved our support,
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  absolutely, and just to hang out with tyrants and dictators
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  because of economic interest is not the best policy, I think.
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  Exactly. So tell me, I think a lot of the
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  Serbs, when they see, they see that young people, when they
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  come to Vienna, to Austria, immediately they turn quite
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  successful. That could be.
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  That could be, yeah, I. Know we have one Bosnian, a
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  refugee with 10. She came to Vienna and she
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  became the Minister of Justice. Yeah.
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  Yeah, Yeah, exactly. No, it's because people have
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  something to prove. They now have a country that
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  isn't corrupt, that isn't full of, I don't know, like
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  bureaucracy that hinders every try at success.
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  You have a country that allows it and now you, if you have the
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  opportunity, I'm going to use it.
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  I'm not going to ignore it and be like, OK, I came to this much
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  better infrastructure with the legal system that actually
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  works, and I'm not going to use it.
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  I'm just going to be unsuccessful just as I was
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  there. I'm going to use that framework.
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  And I think a lot of people have that mentality when they come
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  over, they want to make the best out of it, and I think that's
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  good. So he is Jovan Jovanovic in the
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  age of 12, came with his parents I guess to Seitzberg and is now
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  studying law. Successful, Dressed for Success
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  has her own start up company with funding, not just the idea
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  but with funding, international funding.
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  Congratulation is on the way to big success and is in the NGO
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  community, which is a very normal thing in Austria.
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  Everybody's engaged in during student times, either in the
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  student union or in the student fraternity or in some student
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  club. This is what we do in Austria
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  and we loved it very much. And then you have to decided to
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  be engaged in a very special a student activity if I want to
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  call it like. This I did indeed, yes.
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  And tell us how you are now engaged in the framework of the
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  Munich Security Conference of the Davos World Economic Forum.
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  These are the most prestigious think tanks which there is in
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  Switzerland and in Germany. Normally I would, because I was
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  20 years active as well in Forum Alpach.
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  So young or successful high potentials like you would
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  normally go to the Forum Alpach and to be active there you
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  decided from the European level to go to the global level and be
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  active in Switzerland and in Germany.
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  In this, unfortunately we can say a little bit more successful
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  think tanks than the form iPad, which I love and admire, but it
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  is not as soberly famous as Davos and as the Munich Security
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  Conference. So how come Jovan viewer engaged
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  in this big global thing things? Well, I'm not beating the
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  globalist allegations here, but I, I, I got invited to an event.
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  It just started very simply, I think it was a bowling event.
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  And I said like, OK, the Global Shapers, what is this?
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  Let's, let's talk about it, let's see it.
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  And then I found out the Global Shapers are a community that has
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  been initiated by the World Economic Forum to cause local
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  impact and scale it up globally. Now this is very abstract and I
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  know it sounds very abstract, but what I mean with that, there
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  is over 500 hubs internationally over I think 18,000 members,
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  including alumni in the whole network and they're in cities
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  all over the world. And they do projects that help
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  the local community in some way. Of course, the needs of the
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  community are going to be different according to region
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  because in India you can do projects for clean water, for
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  example, because the population needs that.
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  In Austria, I mentioned that earlier with future skills it
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  it's different needs. So what we started?
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  Our water is clean. Our water is clean, our business
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  environment. Exactly, and education can also
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  do some some. Yeah, you know, materials.
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  Absolutely, of course. Making his whole career on
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  changing education and he did something similar like you
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  because he started the youth network, which I understand is
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  global Shapers is the youth engagement where the world.
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  Come from. Yeah, yeah.
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  We had this initiative groups, it was called IG and clubs ALPA.
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  And Matthias has basically created this global shapers of
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  ALPA. Yeah, and he always says that
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  education system in Austria. Absolutely.
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  And that was a need and we did that project.
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  And now just for an example, I mean, it developed kind of
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  similarly to the example I'm going to bring, But if it works
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  in, in Salzburg and you have metrics like we had over 120, I
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  think companies visit our workshops to reskilling and AI
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  usage and all of that. If that works, you can replicate
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  it in other hubs, Vienna, Munich, Heidelberg, Hamburg.
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  And if that works in those regions as well, then someone
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  reaches out from Boston, from New York, and then out of
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  nothing pops up a WhatsApp group with 700 members.
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  And a week later, a Zoom call with over 100 participants on
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  how to replicate this in different countries, different
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  regions. And then you have scaled your
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  impact from the local into the regional and then into the
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  global. And that's what I meant with ACT
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  regionally, but think globally to act to to achieve that global
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  impact in some way. So what's your exact position
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  now in this global Shapers? It's a city based or regional
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  like Salzburg or Austrian based Global shapers.
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  It's it's regional based. We have two hubs in in Austria,
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  we have Vienna and Salzburg. Germany has many more.
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  It's a bit more present there is.
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  What's your your position now my?
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  Position currently is impact officer.
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  Last year I was curator and I think in February the elections
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  are again, so I'm going to be candidating again as as curator.
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  Orator means the Austrian boss. Let's.
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  President. President of Yeah, Young.
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  Oh yes, it's basically the Young European Worldwide Forum, World
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  Economic Forum, Austria. You were already there.
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  I was a curator exactly. There is 3 statutory positions,
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  the curator, vice curator and impact officer.
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  The curator, vice curator, pretty self-explanatory
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  president, vice president and impact officer measures the
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  impact, he produces the numbers, calculates OK, what did we
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  actually do? Did it actually do something?
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  Did we 'cause impact or did we just do greenwashing and then it
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  sounded nice but didn't do actually anything.
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  And then we present that to the HQ in order to show what we've
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  done in the last year. The HQ, Yes.
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  Now we wanna know everything. Where's the HQ and is it really
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  the World Government? Everybody on at least my Twitter
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  feed seems to be very excited that there is a secret World
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  Government and it's the World Economic firm, The HQ.
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  Where is it? The HQ is in Geneva.
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  In Geneva. Yes, but.
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  But I have to disappoint. It's not an evil cabal of
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  shamans controlling the the whole world.
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  I have to disappoint. You can.
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  Tell someone my Twitter feeds. I need to think I I.
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  Think so that that there are many people that think that, but
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  that's sadly not the truth. Yeah, there there is no behind
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  close quarters agenda that controls everything.
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  It's just a forum where people come very high profile
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  stakeholders. Of course, if if Bill Gates
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  comes there and JD Vance and Freddy Miats and they talk about
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  things that can be done. It's just a table and a table
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  has meaning that people can use it to talk over things like we
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  are currently talking about. They can align on things and
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  decide to do things together. That leverages the impact in my
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  opinion, but it's far from everything gets controlled by a
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  shadow government, so. So that is a false perception.
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  So in reality, Klaus Schwab and his World Economic Forum
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  basically is a very successful think tank.
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  It is a very yes, That is a very good pinpoint.
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  There is a lot of events that get organized summits where
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  stakeholders come, stakeholders go.
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  They talk about different ideas, they align on things that they
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  believe in. There is various programs like
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  for example the Global Shapers or the Young Global Leaders
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  programme for very successful young people.
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  I think from Austria we had only one person participate in it and
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  it was Sebastian Kurz. Actually Sebastian Kurz it.
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  Was bastards the. Best of our generation and he
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  made it there. Yeah, there were a lot of
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  people. I think Angela Merkel was there
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  as well, McCall. So a lot of high profile
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  politicians as well. Also people from business
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  likewise. And we see that the program
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  worked. I mean the people that did spend
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  time in those classes, they are currently now the voices in
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  various industries and policy making decisions.
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  So it works and by that I just want to say it has various.
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  Maybe because that's a dream of many among them.
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  Also my dream to build up a global think tank movement.
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  Some people might be jealous basically because Klaus Schwab,
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  basically, he has been the most successful of all of them.
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  Yeah. And because IPOC is not as big
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  other think. Thanks.
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  There are many think tanks in the world, but none of them is
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  as successful as the World Economic fall.
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  I think he, Professor Schwab, has a very vision based decision
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  making and he foresaw things much before they actually
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  happened. So was it the change with the
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  economy? I don't know if you've read the
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  book the the 4th Industrial Revolution, but he foresaw a lot
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  of technologies that are going to be present today, especially
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  how AI is going to be used, nanotechnology, robotics, all of
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  those things. And he wrote that book, I think
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  almost 10 years ago. Please correct me post podcast
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  if that is wrong. But he saw it coming a long time
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  ago. And I think that combined with
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  talking constantly to decision makers, stakeholders causing
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  that come together of various nations, various industries made
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  that thing successful. And he's based the headquarter
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  as you call HQ? Yes, he's in Geneva.
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  I understand. The HQ is in Geneva.
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  Correct. This is like a big, small How
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  can we imagine this headquarter of the global think tank?
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  It's shaping the world. It's big, it's beautiful, it's
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  the best. That's Trump.
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  Yeah, exactly. No, no, it's absolutely
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  beautiful. I was there recently, a few
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  weeks ago. It was awesome.
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  I just paid a short visit. It's this nice grey glass
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  building with a lot of nature, a lot of plants.
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  It looks very exotic, a lot of different colours inside.
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  Geneva is quite a special place that was only once there, but
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  because of this being the seat of the world government of the
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  League of Nations. The UN as well, yeah.
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  And then the building is now the UN.
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  But it was the League of Nations why they decided to go to Geneva
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  and a lot of global organisations like the World a
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  Trade Organization and many of them, I think the Swiss are very
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  generous for international organizations to be.
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  Yes, and there's over. I read 70 international bodies
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  and important institutions. So as a seed of a secret world
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  government, it's in the logical choice.
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  Yeah, no, no, it's perfect. And I honestly love Geneva.
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  Geneva is such a nice city. I find it slightly comparable to
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  Salzburg, but it just has more presence.
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  Let's see. It's very Salzburg.
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  We never managed to get any real organizations.
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  I mean, we got the Salzburg Summit where also a lot of
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  stakeholders come to, but it's not the.
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  Salzburg Summit of the Austrian Federation of Industry.
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  The Salzburg Summit of the Institute of the Regions or the
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  Salzburg Summit of the. We have many South.
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  Of the there's also the Global Salzburg Global Seminar.
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  I think that's one think tank which is sitting.
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  That's that's the one I meant, yeah.
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  So you have some some international events at least.
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  So this beautiful city we have now we have some the young
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  Global Shapers and Jovanovich to organise.
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  You organise events as well in Salzburg of the Global Shapers.
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  You have a yearly agenda and program.
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  And we usually either Co participate in events.
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  For example, now we want to do like a charity gala in in March
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  with some other different partners.
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  But usually we try to participate at events where high
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  profile stakeholders, industry leaders, politicians are in
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  order to find out, OK, what does the local and regional community
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  need? And then put that information
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  like, write it up very nicely. Of course, the decision makers
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  are only human. They're not going to read 50
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  pages of just plain text. You have to do data
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  visualization, make it very nice.
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  And then we present it to the stakeholders who actually make
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  the decisions and say, hey, this is what the community actually
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  needs. Please deliver and.
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  Because we have now a new governor of Salzburg, Mrs. H
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  Startler, who was the former Minister of European Affairs,
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  and I'm sure she in her secret dreams and to see Salzburg as a
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  small Geneva. We can try it.
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  We can do. That with your help.
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  With her help, our hands are open.
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  We're gladly going to do. That if you bring Klaus Schwab
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  to Salzburg, I'm sure she will be so delighted to support the
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  initiatives. Yeah, I surely do hope so
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  indeed. Because Salzburg is already,
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  I've mentioned already Salzburg Global and of course the
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  Salzburg Regional Summit in September and on from the
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  industrial finding each during the Salzburg Festival, which is
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  of course the big reason to go. And so that's always the end of
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  July. I was there once.
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  So there could be also some cooperation with all these
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  initiatives and somehow make Salzburg Geneva.
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  Again, not again. We we never heard.
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  Geneva But you don't have the lake there exactly.
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  It's in Salem, say the lake, anyhow.
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  It's nearby, we have. Nice enough we have different
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  national we. Have more lakes?
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  We're more lakes than the. But the place which is globally
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  famous for the World Economic Forum is less Geneva and are
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  still not Salzburg, but it's Davos.
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  And tell me about Davos. It's now coming up in the end of
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  January, I think every end of January.
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  This is the claim to fame of the World Economic Forum.
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  This is the yearly Chamberry of the global good, mighty and
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  powerful and rich. And will Elon Musk be there?
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  I cannot disclose if Elon Musk will be there, but.
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  But Klaus Schwab will be there. I don't know.
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  I don't actually know because I don't know if you've heard, but
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  he's not the chairman anymore. Yeah, I heard that.
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  But it's a transition pace. He's already, I don't know, his
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  age actually. He's quite old, but he's very
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  active for his age, I mean, so. But he has transitioned to his.
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  He's not currently in the governing body of the World
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  Economic. Forum who is now the world the.
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  The current governor is Borg. Borg, Brenda, he's.
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  A Norwegian I remember. Yes.
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  Yeah, yes, is good. They have all the money.
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  Exactly. Yeah, he hopefully brings some
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  of the oil wealth. We want the nearer to Europe, of
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  course. Exactly.
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  I want them to join the European Union because we have, because
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  we can discuss about Ukraine and the Norwegians are getting all
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  our money now. Yeah.
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  And thanks for bringing all the oil and gas to Europe.
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  They help us a lot. They are good Ellers, but
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  nevertheless, they're getting very rich.
• 20:17
  And they have the one trillion fund, I think something like
• 20:20
  that. And so now they have taken over
• 20:22
  the World Economic Forum as well.
• 20:25
  We can get more nearer with them if they align more with Europe,
• 20:29
  come closer. It's gonna come together as a
• 20:31
  very pretty nice thing, I think I.
• 20:32
  Wanted to ask you as well, have you ever met Professor Schwab?
• 20:36
  Yes. Yes, yes.
• 20:37
  Shake the hands, chatted a bit. The whole package.
• 20:40
  The whole package OK. Very nice.
• 20:41
  Was a very, very cool person in my opinion.
• 20:45
  Very conversational and honestly, I love him as a
• 20:48
  speaker because he is a bit older that that's just fact, but
• 20:52
  but the way he speaks very much passionate and and I love it.
• 20:56
  It's something you like to hear and it's also very insightful.
• 21:01
  He doesn't just talk to talk. He talks with a lot of
• 21:04
  background information or inputs that actually is valuable to the
• 21:07
  listeners. So, so I kind of I like him as a
• 21:10
  speaker very much. In my generation, for me, when I
• 21:12
  was as young as you, it was Otto von Habsburg or Erhard Busek,
• 21:16
  the great Austrian European, and they were the inspiring speakers
• 21:20
  of our generation. You would say that Klaus Schwab
• 21:23
  is the personality to inspire you.
• 21:25
  I think so. I think so.
• 21:27
  He he sees the value in youth. He sees the value of people who
• 21:32
  are young who want to change things.
• 21:34
  And I think he founded the the Global Shapers community for
• 21:37
  that reason to give the youth that platform to be able to
• 21:40
  change things later on and engage with really high profile
• 21:44
  stakeholders. Because if you grow up in an
• 21:47
  environment like that, you're gonna be a part of that
• 21:50
  environment at some point, you know?
• 21:52
  And I think that project worked out really well.
• 21:54
  So we are now one month ahead of the next big double summit.
• 21:59
  I think it's under in the middle of January.
• 22:02
  Pretty much it's like 17th until the 23rd I.
• 22:05
  Think so, it's pretty much 5 weeks to go.
• 22:07
  And can you give us a little bit of a foresight?
• 22:10
  Will it be about the current US, EU relations?
• 22:14
  Because we are in a very complicated situation, they seem
• 22:17
  not to like us anymore and they want to ex the EU.
• 22:21
  Yeah, that that was really a banger that that, Musk tweeted
• 22:24
  recently. We are the nice guys.
• 22:27
  We are the allies. I, I no, no, no, disband the
• 22:29
  whole EU, you know, just just go on to the national level.
• 22:32
  Of course, that's going to work out.
• 22:34
  But let's talk less about the the Russian propaganda that he
• 22:37
  fell into, but more about Taos, which you mentioned.
• 22:40
  I can't give too much input, you know, but I can, I can tell that
• 22:43
  the topics are going to be very relevant to what's currently
• 22:46
  going on in the world. It's going to be a lot of
• 22:48
  geopolitics. Of course it's going to be a lot
• 22:51
  of AI on on also in in supply chains, healthcare, whatever
• 22:56
  these fields that are highly relevant to global governance to
• 23:00
  the regions and the world in general in my opinion.
• 23:03
  But I sadly can't give input on the specific sessions or or the
• 23:08
  guests. We will see it on television and
• 23:10
  on. The Twitter, definitely.
• 23:11
  There will be a lot of news because Double S has really
• 23:14
  managed to attract also the global media elite and it's one
• 23:18
  of the meetings which is globally broadcasted and
• 23:20
  everybody will know what's going on there and if young people
• 23:24
  want to join such events in the form.
• 23:26
  Arbach and you as well. I was also in the IG Arbach
• 23:30
  Brussels, IG Arbach Kosovo and all these youth initiatives I
• 23:34
  was in actually in Albania, Macedonia, Kosovo, Brussels, and
• 23:38
  I also shaped in Upper Austria and helped to set up some of
• 23:41
  these organizations. And so the situation was that
• 23:45
  when you basically work for this forum indirectly in this youth
• 23:49
  movements like Global Shaper, you can also attend this global
• 23:53
  forums. And then young people basically
• 23:55
  spend one or two weeks at the end of August in the Forum Alpac
• 23:59
  in this beautiful mountain village.
• 24:01
  And how does it work? Because I understand in case of
• 24:04
  divorce to just buy your ticket doesn't seem the normal budget
• 24:09
  of a normal student. That is very.
• 24:10
  Correct. It's not.
• 24:11
  So yeah, if you have your parents at Elon Musk and Bill
• 24:16
  Gates together, you might have this.
• 24:18
  But. I don't think every single
• 24:19
  member has the father as Elon Musk.
• 24:22
  He has 12 children already, so. Yeah, but not 18,000.
• 24:25
  That's a bit pushing it, yeah. So how to attend this summit?
• 24:28
  How to engage? How to do that?
• 24:30
  So First off, everyone between the ages of 18 and 27 can
• 24:34
  actually become a global shaper. You can just apply to your local
• 24:37
  hub, say, OK, I want to make a change locally, regionally, and
• 24:42
  I want to bring something to the table and change and impact the
• 24:45
  community that I live in, in a good way.
• 24:48
  That gets you into the community and the community offers access
• 24:53
  to many doors. It offers access to the annual
• 24:56
  summit for example, where the curator is meet once per year in
• 24:59
  the HQ in Geneva. So from every.
• 25:01
  Single. I have this global summit.
• 25:03
  There's a curator. Exactly.
• 25:06
  So every single curator from all over the world, it's like 500
• 25:09
  people there, like the presidents of each hub coming
• 25:12
  there. It's only 200 countries in the
• 25:14
  world. Yes, but there is many cities in
• 25:16
  those. Countries.
• 25:16
  OK. City based?
• 25:17
  Yes. City based?
• 25:18
  OK, I understand. And they all come there and of
• 25:21
  course you think like, okay, how am I gonna interact with all
• 25:23
  these people? New people?
• 25:26
  They're very hard working. Very.
• 25:29
  Ambitious. Ambitious, exactly.
• 25:31
  Very successful. We life it in.
• 25:34
  But the energy that I felt there is just so indescribable.
• 25:37
  Of course, they're very efficient and ambitious and have
• 25:42
  succeeded so much in their life even though they're young.
• 25:44
  But it's such a warm energy. Even if you see someone the
• 25:47
  first time, it's like seeing the best friend you haven't seen for
• 25:50
  like 3 or five years again. So it's a very open, warm
• 25:54
  community and everyone who wants to participate, of course, I
• 25:57
  think will be very, very welcomed in in this aspect.
• 26:01
  Now that's like one of the events.
• 26:03
  The other one is of course Davos.
• 26:04
  For example, You can just apply as.
• 26:07
  I apply. You apply, I think you're
• 26:09
  slightly over the age limit, yeah.
• 26:11
  By the way, I don't know if I mentioned until 27 the age
• 26:15
  limit. I'm 57, respect the age fresh.
• 26:19
  You're freshly turned 18. Boomer now Generation X, Yeah.
• 26:23
  Okay. But yeah, you can just apply for
• 26:26
  that. There is nomination criteria for
• 26:28
  different events. For some you can just apply,
• 26:30
  some you can just go there. For example, there's like
• 26:33
  regional. Events my wife doesn't allow me
• 26:35
  the budget to pay for the. Ticket But yeah by the way the
• 26:38
  things get covered by the wife okay so like the annual summit
• 26:43
  in Geneva all paid for the food the hotel the travels of that
• 26:47
  they even that's. Attractive for students, I
• 26:49
  agree. Otherwise, Geneva, I had the
• 26:51
  pizza at the time I was there and they asked me for €20 for
• 26:55
  one pizza. Yeah, it was actually very
• 26:57
  small. Pizza, yes.
• 26:57
  I had the same experience recently in Geneva.
• 26:59
  I was very hungry and I just wanted to eat something and I
• 27:02
  bought the pizza. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this small and
• 27:04
  I paid €30 for it. €30 yes, yes, you know, I was there five years
• 27:08
  ago. So the inflation, yeah, it seems
• 27:10
  to be the shrinking place. Exactly.
• 27:11
  Exactly 30. EUR for a pizza I better OK,
• 27:15
  Pizza I better eat a little bit less it.
• 27:17
  It was an OK pizza, but. You brought this famous
• 27:19
  sistoodle, yes, It's not exactly €30 in.
• 27:22
  It is not. No, they are crazy with the
• 27:25
  prices in Geneva. No, it's it's all.
• 27:26
  Students, that's difficult to afford.
• 27:28
  And I think that's a very good program to include the youth
• 27:30
  because not all of us are coming from Austria or Germany to to
• 27:34
  Geneva. Some are coming from Beijing,
• 27:36
  some are coming from Japan, some are coming from the US and
• 27:39
  that's a bit longer flight travel than.
• 27:41
  Exactly the cost also several €1000.
• 27:44
  And I mean, they, they pay all of that so, so they take over
• 27:48
  the costs, so. Basically, they're shaping allow
• 27:50
  it. Young, global elite,
• 27:52
  interconnected, ready for global governance.
• 27:55
  A lot of globalists meet, yes. It's a lot of globalists, Yeah,
• 27:58
  it's a very. Globalist.
• 28:00
  I am a globalist. I confess guilty as charged.
• 28:04
  I am guilty as charged, yes. What it means for you, because
• 28:07
  on X as well, there's a lot of debate.
• 28:09
  When I say I'm a globalist, I put my face on, there's hundreds
• 28:12
  of comments and say we got you and we always knew.
• 28:16
  It seems to be an insult. In my youth I was campaigning as
• 28:20
  EDS chairman. I was from the EPP, the youth
• 28:23
  organization. I was the chairman for two
• 28:25
  years, 9698 and I was campaigning for my RE election
• 28:29
  as globalization, the force of democracy, market, prosperity,
• 28:34
  freedom, security. Globalization is good, yes, and
• 28:37
  I was elected. Yeah, and now it's.
• 28:40
  Now when I say globalist, everybody.
• 28:42
  Boo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:45
  It's just politics, man. What's going on?
• 28:47
  It's it's just politics. I think that comes from the very
• 28:50
  right angle of politics from from.
• 28:52
  Elon again. Elon, Yeah.
• 28:55
  Elon, of course. Elon, of course, Exactly.
• 28:57
  JD as well, but also from Russia.
• 29:00
  Everyone who's a globalist wants democracy and all of that to be
• 29:03
  a global thing. International thing is evil of
• 29:06
  course, because the globalists, they want to destroy culture and
• 29:10
  they want to destroy tradition and have everything so
• 29:13
  diversified that there is no identity anymore.
• 29:15
  That is the argument that that the right wing not normal right
• 29:19
  wing. You can have normal
• 29:20
  conservatives, but this specific angle of right wing portrays
• 29:24
  globalists. As Putin as a in your age with
• 29:28
  24, he was a K GB training officer and he has a lifestyle
• 29:32
  on KGB and he wants to defend now global culture and
• 29:36
  tradition. That is a a weird misconceptions
• 29:39
  I've heard, I've heard like Russia is based.
• 29:42
  They're so traditional and so culturally present, they're
• 29:45
  going to defend their Christian values.
• 29:48
  Russia has the highest divorce rates in the world.
• 29:50
  They have rampant abuse of heroin.
• 29:53
  They have rampant corruption that's based that is what what
• 29:56
  you want to sell sell out Europe for.
• 29:58
  That's just the the good thing, huh?
• 29:59
  They. Run by channel side or maniac
• 30:02
  who attacks Ukraine everyday? Destroy cities.
• 30:04
  Exactly that kind of role model. I, I fully agree.
• 30:08
  I do not see it at all. I don't see it either.
• 30:10
  And that is such a way of the Russian propaganda working
• 30:14
  because it's usually these pro right wing traditional European
• 30:20
  channels. But when you check the location
• 30:22
  of the, the, the where the account is based, it's usually
• 30:24
  like in India or in Russia or somewhere.
• 30:26
  So it's not of course, European channels.
• 30:28
  But they say, yeah, Russia is good, the EU is actually evil.
• 30:34
  Even if that were true, of course it is not.
• 30:36
  But do you think that if you say like, yeah, Rush is really cool,
• 30:39
  let me let me help their propaganda get put into my
• 30:43
  country and my politicians sell out my country to them.
• 30:45
  Do you think that's going to be good for you?
• 30:46
  Do you think you should sell out your family, your communities,
• 30:49
  that the town, the nation you grew up in, the other European
• 30:53
  communities for that? Do you think they will treat you
• 30:55
  better than your own Europeans? And that is such a weird
• 30:59
  misconception that is happening currently in Europe, people
• 31:02
  thinking that the enemy is going to treat them better than their
• 31:06
  own countries. You can criticize the
• 31:08
  government. If you hit the class again table
• 31:11
  too much, the people who are driving cars when listening to
• 31:14
  the podcast will always get a kind of.
• 31:17
  AII am very sorry for the jumps here.
• 31:19
  I I'm very sorry for the jumps. Just that's better for the N 11.
• 31:24
  So let's come to Elon Musk. He's a South African who has
• 31:27
  tremendously been successful in the American economy and but he
• 31:31
  is somehow the altimist globalist.
• 31:35
  He's a global tycoon. He wants to dominate the IT
• 31:38
  markets, the spaceship markets and the car markets.
• 31:41
  He is actually the one global tycoon which everybody knows at
• 31:46
  the world, but he is against globalism.
• 31:49
  How can anybody understand that? I think it's politics.
• 31:53
  It's just politics. I mean, we see this new trend in
• 31:56
  the American politics of we should focus on America first
• 32:01
  and the whole big organizations like the UN or the EU, they want
• 32:06
  to hold us back. We Americans need to follow our
• 32:09
  own interests and manifest destiny.
• 32:11
  That that phrase that used to be a, a very American phrase.
• 32:16
  And with Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, they propagate that they, they
• 32:21
  still of course have the global influence.
• 32:23
  You can say that that Elon Musk is only stationed in the US and
• 32:27
  only has influence there. We can see the tweet that he
• 32:29
  post that has influence globally. 220 million followers
• 32:34
  and even if he, if I make despicable say, if he puts a
• 32:39
  completely nonsense out, yeah, he gets 60 million.
• 32:43
  People the opposite, of course he's it's his platform.
• 32:46
  He's gonna be paid. 43 billion for it.
• 32:48
  Yeah, he's gonna pump some tax credits and some bank.
• 32:51
  Credits. Some.
• 32:52
  Some. Nevertheless, he put a lot of
• 32:54
  money on the table and his tweets are getting prioritized.
• 32:57
  I think they are. Mine are not getting so much,
• 33:01
  which I think I'm the voice of reason.
• 33:04
  Absolutely platform. I mean, if you want more you
• 33:06
  just have to buy Twitter, you know then then.
• 33:08
  Yeah, that's not exactly the available.
• 33:10
  I can buy some cakes and coffee, but that's so let's come to jade
• 33:15
  events. He also raised to prominence to
• 33:18
  criticize Europe at the Munich Security Conference famous or
• 33:22
  infamous speech he made last year.
• 33:25
  And we have now him as the vice president, potential
• 33:29
  presidential candidate in 2028. And now I want to ask you
• 33:33
  because he's very worried about globalism and he is the one anti
• 33:38
  globalist in a perception at the logical father of this MAGA
• 33:42
  movement or whatever stepson, whatever he is.
• 33:45
  But nevertheless, he's very worried about this kind of
• 33:49
  cultural homogenization of the world and all these free speech
• 33:53
  issues. I want to ask you, America, you
• 33:56
  know, is basically still the cities look quite similar.
• 34:00
  They have the skyscraper cities I admired, but it's not exactly
• 34:05
  that there is such a big cultural difference between
• 34:09
  maybe there is maybe between Virginia and Georgia.
• 34:13
  They certainly it's cultural differences.
• 34:15
  But when you look in Europe, we have this ancient civilization
• 34:19
  of the Finns, of the Greeks, yes, and of the Austrians and of
• 34:25
  course the Italians, the Spanish.
• 34:26
  We are going back 2000 and some of them maybe 3000 years in the
• 34:32
  case of the Greeks. Yeah.
• 34:33
  And the last time I was in Greece and in Albania and in
• 34:37
  Italy, it still looked very much like Greece, Albania, Italy,
• 34:41
  Huh. Yeah.
• 34:42
  Didn't look like a unified European culture.
• 34:45
  Exactly so I think. Salzburg also looked quite the
• 34:49
  same, yes, the last time I was there and it looked quite
• 34:53
  beautiful, to be honest. And I would call Salzburg your
• 34:57
  new home city as a kind of symbol of European cultural
• 35:01
  heritage of the first level. Thank you very much for that
• 35:04
  compliment. Yes.
• 35:05
  It is, you know, it is a global center of culture and it's not
• 35:10
  going to be an equalized I don't standardized.
• 35:14
  No, no, no. We have far more than even the
• 35:16
  Americans. No, don't, don't worry.
• 35:18
  There the the American culture, of course it exists and there is
• 35:23
  also the traditions. They have all of that, but it
• 35:26
  all comes derivatively from Europe.
• 35:29
  It's something that's derived from us, of course.
• 35:33
  Looks very traditional, but it's definitely a very European.
• 35:37
  Culture, yes, exactly. It all comes from Europe.
• 35:40
  So we're all connected somehow. That's the connection of the
• 35:43
  West, the common denominator, if you want to say.
• 35:47
  But I don't think we're losing that in Europe.
• 35:49
  Of course, I know what they're trying to say with that
• 35:52
  rhetoric, and it's plausible to some degree.
• 35:55
  They say they have their fears regarding immigration, and of
• 35:59
  course we need to have good policy on immigration.
• 36:01
  We need to have a grip on it and not run rampant in Europe.
• 36:06
  We have to control it, of course, but it doesn't mean that
• 36:08
  every single kind of immigration is wrong and that we can't allow
• 36:11
  immigration at all. That's their fear, and they
• 36:13
  present it as a losing culture and losing tradition.
• 36:17
  But the fear is rampant immigration and in Europe we
• 36:21
  cannot lose that culture in that sense because the buildings are
• 36:24
  here, the tradition is here, the people are here, and the people
• 36:28
  are maybe contrasting to the to the opinion of the very far
• 36:33
  right. People are not getting replaced
• 36:35
  by by immigrants, for example, because the culture is still
• 36:39
  European, the legislative is still European, the laws are
• 36:42
  still European, the language is still European, everything is
• 36:45
  European. We're just getting more
• 36:47
  workforce and people that can improve this country and grow
• 36:50
  with the continent as well and not here to to replace us in any
• 36:54
  way. But via a continent, America is
• 36:56
  a continent. For example, let's go to your
• 36:58
  family history and compare it to America.
• 37:01
  And America took in a new member states into the federation as
• 37:05
  well until I think the 1960s. I don't know the exact history
• 37:09
  of their statehood, but when you, for example, compare
• 37:12
  Serbia, which is a bit of a wild and less developed place, my
• 37:16
  dear serving friends, nevertheless, let's compare to
• 37:19
  Texas or to Oklahoma, relatively new member states.
• 37:25
  Yes, of course, the history of America is much more united and
• 37:28
  has been in the 19th century, but these are relatively new
• 37:31
  member states. And if your family would have
• 37:33
  decided to go from Texas or Oklahoma to, let's say, Boston,
• 37:38
  and you are 20 years later than IT company in Boston, it is
• 37:44
  totally normal in America to go. Yeah, in Serbia, you went to
• 37:49
  Austria and in the beginning of your life you're certainly well
• 37:52
  treated as an immigrant child. Yes.
• 37:54
  Of course, but that is a reason to do better, because you come
• 37:59
  here full of hope and opportunity, because all those
• 38:03
  things that are not in Serbia are in Austria.
• 38:07
  For me at least, the rule of law, there is corruption in
• 38:10
  Serbia, things that you will not get through a judge, even though
• 38:14
  you are in the right. There is inflation, no money, no
• 38:17
  jobs, no future that my family saw.
• 38:21
  And then we moved to Austria. And then, even though I couldn't
• 38:24
  speak the language at all, I had nothing.
• 38:27
  We had nothing. We didn't come from money and
• 38:29
  then just bought a lot of things and then it was fine.
• 38:32
  No, they were working in a hotel and my father works as a house
• 38:37
  maintenance or no building maintenance.
• 38:39
  Sorry for, for a company and I had to go to school and study
• 38:44
  and all of that. But that that that
• 38:47
  predisposition of opportunity that I can actually reach things
• 38:50
  in this country that pushed me to the edge and to say, OK, I
• 38:54
  want to reach them all. I want to become good.
• 38:56
  I want to learn the language. I want to be to have my own
• 38:59
  company. I want to be successful.
• 39:00
  And I think fostering that kind of spirit, that kind of
• 39:03
  immigration, is the right solution and it is exactly what
• 39:06
  we need in Europe. Exactly.
• 39:08
  It should be quite normal that people from Serbia, Bosnia come
• 39:11
  to Vienna or we come there, we go to holiday in Croatia or
• 39:15
  maybe go to retirement in Florida of Europe, in Albania,
• 39:18
  which is actually a very nice place.
• 39:20
  Yes. And it's one of my dreams to be
• 39:22
  in Montenegro, Albania, somewhere when I in the
• 39:26
  retirement age. That will be the future.
• 39:28
  And America is this united continent we wanna be.
• 39:32
  But unfortunately, Elon and JD Vance don't want us to be
• 39:37
  united. Yes, I mean, that is quite
• 39:39
  absurd saying that we need to disband in the EU so the small
• 39:44
  countries can represent their people much better.
• 39:47
  OK, then disband the United States.
• 39:49
  That's that's good, right? That would be great.
• 39:51
  That would be the same logic. That would be great because then
• 39:54
  the people of New York will get the representation from Mandani
• 39:58
  and not from Trump. Come on, what arguments are you
• 40:01
  bringing? He's just spouting Russian
• 40:02
  propaganda. He just found it on on Reddit or
• 40:05
  X or whatever and he said oh that is nice.
• 40:07
  They are good, but that comes directly from Russian channels.
• 40:10
  Should we not focus a little bit more on the Russian threat
• 40:14
  because Russia is attacking us economically, politically and
• 40:18
  militarily in Ukraine so badly, killed so many people?
• 40:22
  Does this genocidal maniac not deserve more of our attention in
• 40:26
  all instead of having this Internet scene kind of family
• 40:29
  feud which we have now in December for what reason?
• 40:34
  Yeah, I know. I'm sorry, but I have a very
• 40:36
  specific opinion on this. But I think it's not one of the
• 40:39
  bigger threats. It's the largest threat to
• 40:41
  Europe. And we need to have a united
• 40:44
  front here. If Germany says yeah, Putin is
• 40:47
  bad, but France says no, Putin is good, that's not going to get
• 40:50
  us anywhere. We need to have a united front
• 40:52
  and have a presence on the outside, like foreign presence
• 40:57
  of the EU that is united, that says OK, no, we are going to
• 41:00
  fight against this and we will not allow this to happen
• 41:03
  anymore. It's a hybrid warfare as you've
• 41:05
  mentioned it. It's misinformation, it's drones
• 41:07
  violating airspace, it's lies, it's influencing politicians
• 41:11
  buying out the the IFD party and they have a lot of cases with
• 41:16
  corruption there. A lot of right wing parties, the
• 41:19
  extreme ones at least in Europe have that problem.
• 41:22
  So this is multi front or multi dimensional war that Russia is
• 41:27
  waging on us and we should just sit here and talk?
• 41:31
  That is the solution. No, we have to fight back.
• 41:35
  It doesn't have to be with nukes.
• 41:36
  We don't have to nuke Moscow immediately, but we can fight
• 41:40
  back. We can send funds, the frozen
• 41:42
  assets to Ukraine. We can fund Ukraine to fight the
• 41:45
  war further. We can help them by giving them
• 41:47
  weapons, and we can fight Putin. That is something not only that
• 41:51
  we should do. That is something we have to do.
• 41:54
  You've heard that he rejected the plan of the peace treaty
• 41:58
  that that was offered to him. That was more than he asked for
• 42:01
  for in the beginning, and he still declined it.
• 42:03
  Do you know what that means? That means he wants war.
• 42:07
  And a man that wants war is not your friend, regardless of what
• 42:10
  the Instagram algorithm says. How cool Russia is?
• 42:14
  That man is your enemy. He wants to attack your country,
• 42:16
  he wants to attack your family, your nation and that you have to
• 42:19
  defend. Even if you are unsatisfied with
• 42:22
  USULA in or the EU Commission currently, that doesn't mean you
• 42:26
  should be a traitor and sell out your whole community because of
• 42:29
  that. Change the government, go into
• 42:31
  politics, get active, do something, change it, and then
• 42:35
  still be aligned with your own people and don't sell them out
• 42:38
  for just this small thing. You're very passionate young
• 42:42
  advocate of freedom. The.
• 42:44
  Passion did come out a little bit, yeah.
• 42:46
  Thank you. You're one on the 18th of
• 42:48
  December we have the European Council, which is our main
• 42:51
  governing institution like the US Senate.
• 42:54
  If you want to compare it with the Americas, it's the heads of
• 42:57
  states will come together and they have one very important
• 43:00
  agenda point. This is about funding Ukraine
• 43:04
  and using the Russian assets which are frozen after the war
• 43:08
  in the European Euro clear system.
• 43:10
  They, we are going to decide if they do this €140 billion loan
• 43:15
  to fund the war effort, which is very important because war is
• 43:18
  extremely expensive, destructive and Ukraine needs money so we
• 43:22
  can do that loan. And do you think that all this
• 43:25
  kind of anti EU bullying is somehow connected with this
• 43:29
  question if Europe will really use this huge resources frozen
• 43:34
  and support Ukraine further? I think it might be related
• 43:39
  because you have to ask, you have to go down the rabbit hole,
• 43:43
  where is the information coming from?
• 43:45
  And usually this disband in the EU, the EU is bad.
• 43:49
  All of that is coming from Russia.
• 43:50
  It may come from proxies that are stationed in India or China
• 43:54
  or whatever, but the channels that are producing this content
• 43:57
  are from Russia. OK, So we know that the Russians
• 43:59
  are trying to paint the picture. Why are they trying to paint the
• 44:02
  picture? Because we want to give the
• 44:03
  funds to Ukraine. So of course it's connected.
• 44:05
  They want to paint us as bad, as someone who doesn't respect
• 44:08
  international law, even though giving the funds to Ukraine,
• 44:12
  even frozen assets would be in accordance with international
• 44:15
  law. But let's follow that idea.
• 44:17
  They want to paint us as the bad guy in order for us to not have
• 44:21
  support from the US from which other else country that maybe
• 44:25
  Canada, for example, as they're growing together with EU slowly,
• 44:29
  which I very of course, much like.
• 44:31
  But they want to isolate us. Why?
• 44:34
  Because they're at war with Ukraine and they don't want
• 44:36
  Ukraine to get that funding. And if the whole world is
• 44:38
  against the European Union and Europe as a whole, then maybe
• 44:42
  Europe will be like, OK, maybe we won't give the funds to to
• 44:44
  them. Maybe we will go to our knees
• 44:46
  and say, OK, do what you wish with Ukraine, but that will not
• 44:50
  happen. And.
• 44:51
  So you are standing 100% for Ukraine, with Ukraine,
• 44:54
  absolutely, absolutely. We're coming now to the 18th of
• 44:57
  December key meeting of the European Council.
• 45:00
  Then on the 17th of January will be the double World Economic
• 45:04
  Forum. A lot of leaders will convene
• 45:06
  and a lot of decisions will be at least prepared.
• 45:09
  And then is another very important global shapers and
• 45:13
  security meeting which is on similar level like Davos.
• 45:17
  This is the Munich Security Conference, which normally is in
• 45:20
  the middle of February. I think so, yes.
• 45:22
  But this is where the speech of JADE events has shaken us, that
• 45:26
  we supposedly somehow are not free.
• 45:29
  We are continent raging in disaster and migrants have have
• 45:33
  taken over. Muslim hordes have conquered
• 45:36
  Salzburg. And I would like to ask you a
• 45:39
  little bit, what's your impression?
• 45:40
  Is Salzburg conquered by a Muslim horde?
• 45:42
  And do we need JADE events to defend free speech?
• 45:45
  And what is exactly the outlook on the 2026 Munich Security
• 45:50
  Conference? Will JADE events be invited
• 45:52
  again? I don't know if you will be
• 45:54
  invited. That's a good question.
• 45:55
  I will look into that. That is very good.
• 45:57
  But yes, of course, Southbrook, the fortress is already under
• 46:00
  the Caliphate. It's, it's already done.
• 46:02
  The whole of Europe has fallen. It's over.
• 46:05
  According to JD and Fantasyland. Exactly.
• 46:08
  No, it's it's all done. No, no, no, of course it's not
• 46:11
  true. And he did some PR there.
• 46:14
  I mean, some points, OK, they they have some validity with the
• 46:18
  Security question. Back then we didn't do nearly
• 46:21
  enough for our defense, which is true.
• 46:23
  We he he became a self fulfilled prophecy.
• 46:26
  He said you don't have defense. Without the Americans, you
• 46:29
  wouldn't be anything. And now we notice that America
• 46:32
  is now going a different path. Oh, we can't really rely on the
• 46:35
  Americans that much. We need to have our things
• 46:38
  together in Europe. We have to actually invest in
• 46:41
  Raimatal in, in companies that will actually help us defend
• 46:45
  ourselves. So there he had a point.
• 46:48
  Absolutely. But the freedom of speech, I
• 46:51
  don't know. We of course have a freedom of
• 46:53
  speech. It's in the emaca, in the
• 46:56
  legislative. Me as a pro NATO person in
• 46:59
  neutral Austria, I can say this everywhere exactly.
• 47:03
  Is nobody coming for me? Exactly, JD?
• 47:06
  He isn't coming, but maybe he should look in his own country
• 47:10
  first before making those comments.
• 47:13
  When you enter the US, you have to show your social media
• 47:16
  accounts before you get a visa. And I heard that some students
• 47:19
  got banned or kicked out of the universities because they
• 47:23
  criticized Israel. Very interesting things
• 47:26
  happening in the United States as well.
• 47:28
  So maybe clean up that first before speech.
• 47:30
  In Washington, DC. It's only freedom of speech in
• 47:33
  voice, but as soon as it actually is on the table then I
• 47:38
  don't know. But yeah, he should clean up his
• 47:40
  house first before he comes and preaches to us in my opinion.
• 47:43
  You want explain this a little bit?
• 47:45
  You're also involved in this Munich Security conference, yes?
• 47:47
  How come? Through the Global Shapers.
• 47:50
  This is a joint movement of Davos and Munich, OR.
• 47:53
  No, no, no, no, no. Just the Global Shapers in
• 47:55
  Salzburg are coordinating a project because the Shapers do
• 47:59
  projects that cause impact. I went into that a little bit
• 48:02
  and one of the projects that I'm leading currently is Polytalks.
• 48:05
  We were present at or we want to be present at 2 events. 1 is
• 48:08
  already checked. That was the Europe Summit,
• 48:10
  where we talked to various presidents, ministers, industry
• 48:13
  leaders about what the regions need and then summit the Europe
• 48:18
  Summit from the IRE. Yes, Salzburg, This is the
• 48:20
  Salzburg European Summit. Exactly.
• 48:22
  We didn't meet unfortunately, but I was I I saw the.
• 48:25
  Tour there, It's very sad. I tweet.
• 48:27
  I tweet a lot and so yes, visible, but this is a famous
• 48:32
  topic about regional economics. Regional.
• 48:35
  That was the idea, like to find out what the regions really need
• 48:38
  and we used that information. We did interviews with a lot of
• 48:41
  people and talked about what concretely needs to be done.
• 48:43
  Not like yeah, Europeans for. Your social media.
• 48:47
  That as well. We also active on social media.
• 48:50
  I am active on social media. Good Jovanovich Jovan on
• 48:53
  Instagram can be found very easily.
• 48:55
  We will link this. Hell yeah, we can absolutely do
• 48:57
  that. Absolutely.
• 48:59
  But yeah, so the idea was to talk with the stakeholders there
• 49:02
  on a regional level and ask, OK, because it's not only Austrian
• 49:05
  regions, you know, people from Macedonia came, people from the
• 49:08
  Balkans, from Eastern Europe, but it's still regional.
• 49:11
  And then we asked, OK, what do you need to be done concretely?
• 49:13
  And we didn't ask like, OK, Europe needs to hold together
• 49:17
  and be very happy. No, it was very concrete.
• 49:19
  For example, a sunset clause. That laws have an expiration
• 49:23
  date, and if they're good laws, they can be prolonged or
• 49:26
  changed. Or they expires to Mr.
• 49:28
  Shellhorn, he's looking for good ideas.
• 49:30
  Exactly. Things like that, they're
• 49:31
  actually quite cool and that can be implemented in the
• 49:34
  legislative because then we tackle the problem of over
• 49:38
  bureaucratizing Europe, which is a problem.
• 49:41
  So a lot of those like points that we took from the summit and
• 49:45
  then we used it to brief the European Parliament and
• 49:47
  Commission directly with the policy briefing.
• 49:50
  That was the first event. The second event we're
• 49:51
  organizing a side event at the Munich Security Conference.
• 49:54
  This we're doing together with other various hubs, with Levive,
• 49:58
  with Heidelberg, Vienna, Munich for example.
• 50:01
  And together we're organizing a panel discussion on two topics,
• 50:06
  the rebuilding of Ukraine and the European Security question.
• 50:10
  And there we will have surveys to find out what's the youth
• 50:14
  thinks about these topics, what the youth really wants from
• 50:17
  these topics. We will have keynote speakers
• 50:20
  there discussions various companies, private entities,
• 50:24
  public officials partaking and speaking on this very important
• 50:27
  issue. And we wish to to do the similar
• 50:31
  change that we impacted at the Europe Summit to find out what
• 50:35
  needs to be done to data visualization and present it to
• 50:38
  the decision makers that can make it happen.
• 50:41
  So that's like a short pitch on what we're doing at the Munich
• 50:43
  Security Conference. And you will personally go as
• 50:46
  well to Munich. Yes, yes, I will be there.
• 50:48
  You have been already. To the security conference.
• 50:50
  Now this will be the first, this will be the first will be
• 50:52
  exciting. Yes, I agree it will.
• 50:53
  Be I would also like to go. Maybe we can talk about.
• 50:57
  That I was in front of the Bavarian Hof, which is the
• 51:00
  hotel, and I tweeted and told that Austria should be in NATO
• 51:04
  and it should be in the interest of Bavaria.
• 51:07
  Yes, it should absolutely be. Unfortunately, Mr. Ishing, he
• 51:11
  was too, too politically diplomatic to say yes to this
• 51:16
  initiative. But I invite him for my podcast,
• 51:19
  Mr. I'm a big fan. And of course, we should all be
• 51:22
  united in NATO. Maybe to ask you about that one,
• 51:26
  are you in favor of Austria's NATO membership?
• 51:28
  Yes. But secondarily, I personally
• 51:30
  think that's. Good, let's cut this and.
• 51:34
  Let's go home. No, I think NATO is one of the
• 51:37
  solutions that we can have. But primarily, of course, a man
• 51:41
  can dream would be a European alternative of that, a European
• 51:45
  army, a European centralized. I guess you're voting nails
• 51:49
  there. You got secret again.
• 51:53
  You got me. Are you involved in politics as
• 51:56
  well? Currently not I.
• 51:58
  Here's your man. I used to be in Unos active.
• 52:02
  I was OK, good. Even that OK.
• 52:05
  Yes. But since then my focus was more
• 52:09
  on the global shaping, exactly on the shaping the globe and as
• 52:13
  well the startup. So that has fallen out of the
• 52:16
  picture a little bit. But as you can see, I'm still
• 52:18
  very political. I'm sorry, I tried to be
• 52:20
  neutral, but sometimes my, my opinions do come out and I of
• 52:25
  course know I can't make it fit for everyone, but it's my
• 52:29
  opinions, I stand by them and I have arguments.
• 52:32
  So. So that's all.
• 52:33
  But yeah, politics still interests me a lot.
• 52:35
  I I also want to enter politics at some point, European
• 52:38
  politics. You heard it first.
• 52:39
  Here. Jovan is ready.
• 52:40
  Jovan is absolutely ready indeed.
• 52:43
  But yeah, that that's something that's going to come later on
• 52:46
  because there is much that needs to be changed and to just wait
• 52:50
  on other people to change. It doesn't usually work out.
• 52:53
  So sometimes you have to take it in your own hands and do the the
• 52:56
  work that needs to be done. So you will go first time to the
• 52:59
  Munich Conference in February 2026?
• 53:01
  Indeed, let me ask you as well, have you been already to divorce
• 53:04
  in the main forum in the middle of January?
• 53:07
  No, I have not been in the annual meeting.
• 53:10
  There is other events, by the way, taking place around that
• 53:13
  most people can just go to. They don't know about it.
• 53:16
  The Open forum for example. You can just register online and
• 53:20
  go. Of course you have been there on
• 53:22
  this. Other members from the hub have
• 53:24
  been we were organizing currently for January to go
• 53:26
  there as well, like as a group like a short travel travel.
• 53:31
  I have to, I have to question you a little bit.
• 53:33
  Yeah. No, no, you have you're using a
• 53:35
  lot of time to work for Davos World Economic firm, but they
• 53:38
  have never allowed you to be at the main forum.
• 53:42
  Not yet, Not yet. In this 2026. 2026 that that's
• 53:46
  the next one, yeah. You will go No, no, no, Mr.
• 53:49
  Schwab, get this guy. Get this guy to the wall.
• 53:54
  Get this man in. That was immediately.
• 53:56
  Professor, please. He's a youngster, he devotes
• 53:59
  time and effort. He could also develop in his IE
• 54:02
  company and now he fights for your values and.
• 54:04
  Speaking truth, I cannot say. Because I make a little bit of
• 54:07
  an advertisement, if you your considerable energy and networks
• 54:11
  and power and intellect, you could also use for the forum
• 54:15
  ALPAC for the IG Salzburg President, for example.
• 54:18
  I don't know who that currently is, maybe not like that, but you
• 54:22
  could also do that for this Austrian think tank, the
• 54:25
  European Forum. And you definitely would have
• 54:28
  attended many times already the main forum because they're the
• 54:31
  idea is to have about 20% of the participants of 5000 people, the
• 54:38
  numbers on the website. But and they are like young
• 54:41
  people like you who are actually then two weeks in the seminars
• 54:44
  participating, talking at the main event with the key to
• 54:48
  stakeholders, which are maybe not as global and not Elon Musk
• 54:51
  and not Trump. But we have also we not
• 54:54
  representing the forum. But I was attending myself 20
• 54:57
  times or 25 times. So it was always very easily to
• 55:00
  talk to ambassadors, ministers, prime ministers and secretary
• 55:04
  general of the UNI, remember? And people make her selfies and
• 55:09
  have a fireside chat with the global elite.
• 55:12
  Maybe not as global as Davos and not as famous, but really very
• 55:18
  high-ranking as well. So why are you not devoting your
• 55:21
  energy for from ALPA? I could.
• 55:24
  I could. You're bringing me to very good
• 55:25
  ideas. Because when you are the global
• 55:28
  Shaper community, I understand that's more or less connected to
• 55:32
  the World Economic Forum, but you also do things with the
• 55:34
  European, of course. Of course.
• 55:36
  Yeah, we have the Munich Security Summit.
• 55:38
  So all your network could also be in 2026 with Ottmakaras and
• 55:43
  pushing him to be pro globalization.
• 55:46
  I I have much work to do there, yes.
• 55:49
  Yes, yes, because to make Austria more European is also
• 55:53
  necessary, because unfortunately we have a little bit of Alpine
• 55:57
  protectionism in our policy making.
• 56:00
  I ask you about some concrete issues, for example here.
• 56:03
  Do you support a free trade agreement with Miakosua and the
• 56:06
  European Union of. Course we need to, we need to
• 56:09
  grow together as a Europe and this isolationist perspective
• 56:12
  that the very far right countries have, they think they
• 56:15
  can replicate the Swiss model in in Austria, which is just not
• 56:20
  true. We can't be a copy pasted
• 56:22
  Switzerland. Why?
• 56:23
  Because Switzerland has been a neutral country for a much
• 56:26
  longer time, for hundreds of years.
• 56:29
  Not maybe the the legislative neutrality, but Switzerland
• 56:32
  hasn't waged wars, even going back to the Habsburg monarchy
• 56:36
  even before. Exported the Warriors exactly
• 56:39
  they have. Mercenaries.
• 56:40
  And everywhere else. Exactly.
• 56:42
  But they didn't invade and didn't get invaded quite often.
• 56:45
  So it became sort of a culture thing that very ingrained in
• 56:49
  their DNA in the Swiss DNA to to be neutral and no one attacks
• 56:53
  us. We don't attack anyone, just our
• 56:54
  mountains leave us be. But in Austria, the neutrality
• 56:58
  isn't something that exists since the Roman Empire.
• 57:02
  Austria lost the the the Second World War was lost, and then the
• 57:06
  neutrality clause came in order for the occupants to leave the
• 57:09
  country. That is just.
• 57:12
  Fact. Soviets wanted it.
• 57:14
  Exactly, exactly. And they and we had to do it.
• 57:16
  There was no other. Solution.
• 57:17
  Salzburg would be the capital of western Austria.
• 57:21
  Like exactly. Yeah, that was.
• 57:23
  Maybe would have been better as a capital.
• 57:24
  But I'm not gonna. Say.
• 57:25
  Anything I'm gonna say it was too closely at the at the front
• 57:28
  that Soviet occupied territory. No, but Salzburg would have been
• 57:31
  the capital of the Bayer day if Austria would have stayed
• 57:35
  divided. More or less that could have
• 57:37
  been an option. Exactly.
• 57:38
  And we didn't want that. So we said, OK, we take on under
• 57:41
  neutrality, but that doesn't mean that it's not going to be
• 57:44
  changed forever and that it cannot be changed and shouldn't
• 57:47
  be changed. The isolationist approach only
• 57:50
  works if you're irrelevant. If no one gives about you, if
• 57:54
  you no one cares about you, then you won't be attacked.
• 57:57
  But if Russia sees a strategic point in Austria and wishes to
• 58:01
  expand more into Western Europe, into Germany, Italy and France,
• 58:05
  then Austria could be a very interesting strategic point to
• 58:08
  expand into, either through air, land or whatever.
• 58:12
  So this approach of no one will touch us if we just put our head
• 58:16
  head in the sand doesn't work. And we need to closely ally
• 58:21
  ourselves with our European brethren and other European
• 58:25
  nations because as a small country we can't fend for
• 58:27
  ourselves. If you're neutral and get
• 58:29
  attacked by Russia, do you think Austria can can defend against
• 58:32
  Russia themselves? No, we need to have a fail safe
• 58:35
  plan on that issue. We will always ask our German
• 58:38
  Provost to defend us exactly, but if they call us, we won't
• 58:43
  pick up the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:44
  Did you see that statistic of like how many Austrians expect
• 58:49
  other EU countries to help us in war, but how many of Austrians
• 58:53
  are ready to fight for other EU countries?
• 58:54
  It was like completely disproportionate.
• 58:56
  Like 80% of Austrians expect other countries to stand for us,
• 58:59
  but only like 10-15 would fight for others.
• 59:02
  So, Austrian concept of solidarity.
• 59:04
  Yeah, Perfect. You do everything for me.
• 59:06
  I. Do nothing for you.
• 59:07
  I profit completely, yes, but it doesn't work.
• 59:10
  So we have to find some European solutions to these issues.
• 59:13
  So you are for a more European Austria?
• 59:15
  Yes, I'm for a very European Austria.
• 59:17
  I'm a federalist, a European federalist.
• 59:20
  And I think that the defense question should also primarily
• 59:24
  be answered through a European solution.
• 59:26
  And if that is not possible, as I've said, the man can dream,
• 59:29
  then the secondary one would be NATO, because that's the second
• 59:32
  best thing we can have. I start to smile now and I'm so
• 59:35
  happy. Very good.
• 59:38
  Just, you know, I let always the conversation roll a little bit.
• 59:42
  But if you endorse NATO, it makes me very happy because.
• 59:45
  I'm also glad to. See, you are in favor also of
• 59:48
  NATO membership of your native country of a region of Serbia.
• 59:52
  Yes, but some I have a. Lot of people who watch you.
• 59:56
  Some other check boxes need to be checked beforehand I think
• 59:58
  before they they get accepted into NATO, but at some point.
• 1:00:02
  But first, I understand your your more main driver of energy
• 1:00:06
  and of what you're doing is your startup company.
• 1:00:09
  So you are starting a company on the artificial intelligence.
• 1:00:13
  So let's talk a bit about that one.
• 1:00:15
  Do you think that Austria is digitalized enough?
• 1:00:18
  Do you think we have this new government now?
• 1:00:22
  And we have the State Secretary for Digitalization, Mr. Pearl,
• 1:00:26
  he has already called you for advice and said please.
• 1:00:29
  He has sadly, has not done that yet.
• 1:00:31
  And do you think because you are travelling a lot of the global
• 1:00:34
  shapers, you see a probably digitalization is one of the
• 1:00:37
  issues at your form? It's always the case that
• 1:00:40
  everybody discuss about the transformation of the society.
• 1:00:44
  Gauss Schwab has written the book The 4th Technology
• 1:00:46
  Revolution. So that's of course one of the
• 1:00:49
  big issues of the World Economic Forum.
• 1:00:51
  And when you see you come home in Salzburg, do you think then
• 1:00:55
  when all the digital services we have with Digital Signal 2 and
• 1:00:59
  everything, do you think we are the cutting edge of the global,
• 1:01:03
  it's shaping community of digitalization or can we do
• 1:01:06
  better and what we should do? It's cute, we're trying, it's
• 1:01:11
  going in the right direction, but we're not there.
• 1:01:14
  We're absolutely not there. It's small things, various
• 1:01:18
  different fronts technology can be used for, for example, what
• 1:01:22
  they really liked in Geneva, you can just order train tickets or
• 1:01:26
  bus tickets or whatever you need by sending an SMS like instantly
• 1:01:29
  and you get the tickets one hour, 10 hours, 24 hours,
• 1:01:33
  whatever time you have a ticket here you have.
• 1:01:36
  Even Switzerland is more digital.
• 1:01:38
  Yes, yes. Lazy old Switzerland.
• 1:01:42
  Switzerland in the mountains, yes, but that what you have to
• 1:01:45
  do in Austria, you have to download the eBay app.
• 1:01:47
  Now you have to go and find the tickets that you need or the
• 1:01:50
  Salzburg Fakia app or the regional 1, whatever region
• 1:01:52
  you're in. Now you have to find the ticket
• 1:01:54
  that you need. Now you have to put your credit
• 1:01:55
  card in. OK, that that's also very cool.
• 1:01:58
  And it takes like 15 minutes to install that to to actually get
• 1:02:01
  that through. And you have to type in your
• 1:02:03
  credit card information every single time when you want to buy
• 1:02:05
  a ticket. When you go to the Salzburg
• 1:02:07
  Mountain for skiing, you better take cash with you.
• 1:02:10
  Yeah, yes, the they love the cash.
• 1:02:12
  They love the cash. Again, I'm not beating the
• 1:02:14
  globalist allegations here, but I'm very pro digital money and
• 1:02:21
  yeah, digital. Control everything.
• 1:02:22
  I do not want to control it, it's just easier.
• 1:02:24
  I don't like paper money, I don't like going to the ATM and
• 1:02:28
  picking up money. I just want to be able to hold
• 1:02:30
  out my phone, click it 2 times for the Apple Pay, done.
• 1:02:33
  That's it. And then the nightmare happens
• 1:02:35
  when I go to buy a kebab or something and then he says no,
• 1:02:38
  no, no bugger, no bugger. And then I have to Google where
• 1:02:41
  is the nearest ATM and then I have to go and pick up the the
• 1:02:44
  the cash money in order to be able to pay.
• 1:02:46
  This is a nightmare. I do not wish for the European
• 1:02:48
  populace. I want to shield them from from
• 1:02:50
  this bad experience. That can happen at the kebab
• 1:02:53
  shop or at the barbershop. Actually remember the history of
• 1:02:56
  your parents when they came. Where were the jobs in Salzburg?
• 1:02:59
  Salzburg is region. It's a peripheries, but the jobs
• 1:03:02
  were in tourism because of the amazing cultural heritage,
• 1:03:06
  exactly because of the hospitality and tourism
• 1:03:08
  industry. Salzburg is one of the global
• 1:03:11
  hotspots of tourism. I think even 30 million is the
• 1:03:15
  number. I heard 30 million guests in
• 1:03:18
  last year. Yes, it's very.
• 1:03:19
  Profitable one region Very. Of half a million people, I
• 1:03:22
  think half, 1,600,000 people live in the land of Salzburg,
• 1:03:25
  the region, and 30 million, this is a global number of
• 1:03:29
  significance. Absolutely.
• 1:03:31
  I don't know if you heard. The Sound of Music.
• 1:03:32
  This is exactly. This is like.
• 1:03:34
  I and this is still enough. Exactly your skiing centers of
• 1:03:38
  global significance. Yeah, this is the city and its
• 1:03:41
  culture. 30 million and that means jobs, that means
• 1:03:44
  prosperity, that means also quite high property prices.
• 1:03:49
  I'm not asking you if you have already apartment, because with
• 1:03:52
  24 that's not a normal thing, but you hopefully will have.
• 1:03:56
  And what are the property prices in Salzburg in the center?
• 1:04:00
  Let's say if you want to buy a flat with 70 square meters, will
• 1:04:05
  you need €500,000 or? Kind of, kind of.
• 1:04:09
  It is maybe 700. Maybe 700.
• 1:04:11
  It's very expensive. Yeah, Mr. JD wins.
• 1:04:14
  Yeah. And the slum of Europe where the
• 1:04:16
  Muslim boys have taken over, they are asking €700,000 for a 2
• 1:04:20
  bedroom flat. And in Vienna I bought one
• 1:04:23
  500,000. You know, the situation is not
• 1:04:25
  exactly a breakdown of European civilization.
• 1:04:30
  Not yet. Not exactly.
• 1:04:32
  Please listen. Here it is still very expensive
• 1:04:34
  I think. It's not easy for young people
• 1:04:37
  to buy, no. It's almost impossible if you
• 1:04:39
  don't inherit or work really hard you can forget it.
• 1:04:44
  But Austria is very specific in this context.
• 1:04:46
  I I used to work in real estate as well, so I know a bit about
• 1:04:50
  the prices in other countries. And honestly it depends if
• 1:04:53
  you're like buying as an investment or buying as
• 1:04:56
  something to live in yourself. Of course, it's a beautiful
• 1:04:59
  city, Salzburg or Vienna, where you can live in your own
• 1:05:02
  headquarters, so to say, but still, it's not very profitable.
• 1:05:07
  I mean, if you want to live there, if it's beautiful, of
• 1:05:09
  course, that's a different argument.
• 1:05:10
  But for investments, Austria has too high prices and too low
• 1:05:14
  rent. And I know this sounds absurd,
• 1:05:16
  the rent is already high. It is, but in like the economic
• 1:05:20
  sense, compared to other countries, other cities, it's
• 1:05:23
  actually quite low. It's actually quite low.
• 1:05:27
  Because of our low income levels, yes, we are having high
• 1:05:31
  taxes. And we also.
• 1:05:32
  Have school because I'm also for low taxes or I am absolutely are
• 1:05:36
  you for low taxes? I am for low taxes.
• 1:05:38
  I'm not flat taxes, not immediately.
• 1:05:42
  I still, I still, we have some ways to go, but I still want to
• 1:05:46
  have a Social Security for the people.
• 1:05:49
  And so I, I wouldn't describe myself as very right or left
• 1:05:52
  wing. There is policies on both ends
• 1:05:55
  that make sense. So I would, I don't know where I
• 1:05:57
  would put myself on the political compass.
• 1:05:58
  We don't know that yet. The nails.
• 1:06:01
  We learned that already. OK, Yeah, sorry for the jump
• 1:06:04
  scare that I just did again. But yeah, no, taxes are one of
• 1:06:09
  the the issues I'd say, but the other is like the legislative
• 1:06:12
  because because you have to put down 30% down payment and in
• 1:06:16
  Germany for example, much better, there is financing of
• 1:06:20
  100% of the price or even 110% with the Needham costing, so to
• 1:06:25
  say. So the German financial market
• 1:06:28
  more flexible. Yes.
• 1:06:29
  And the Austrian with highly regulated, we don't allow the
• 1:06:32
  youth to do 100% mortgages exactly and then they don't have
• 1:06:37
  apartments exactly and they have the rent and they are dependent
• 1:06:40
  on the socialist government to give them a cheap flat which is
• 1:06:44
  price regulated. Yes, that's perfect.
• 1:06:46
  The ideal ideal structure. I think something should change
• 1:06:49
  in Austria. And that.
• 1:06:50
  But we have to do it because no one else is gonna do it.
• 1:06:53
  That is always the thing. Yeah, after this small exchange
• 1:06:56
  about property prices, which are of course important, let's come
• 1:06:59
  back to the artificial intelligence because everybody
• 1:07:02
  now from these conferences I like also to attend, everybody
• 1:07:05
  says America and China unfortunately chasing away and
• 1:07:10
  the artificial intelligence with mega investments and hundreds of
• 1:07:14
  billions. And there was recently from the
• 1:07:16
  political Academy of the Austrian People's Party, an
• 1:07:19
  event where they made some studies and showed all this
• 1:07:22
  NVIDIA and Google and all these mega tech companies which are
• 1:07:27
  contrary to ICS, which is basically not valuable in a
• 1:07:31
  sense and not producing a lot of money, but it's the big issue.
• 1:07:34
  But the Americans have all these tech giants and they are
• 1:07:38
  investing in the artificial intelligence in the hundreds of
• 1:07:42
  billions if not trillions, while the Chinese are doing similar
• 1:07:45
  level. And in Europe we are talking
• 1:07:48
  about the dangers of IE and we try also to invest and some
• 1:07:54
  things are happening, gigafactories are talked about
• 1:07:57
  it. But you are in this sector
• 1:07:58
  professionally. What do you think?
• 1:08:00
  What is our IE kind of situation?
• 1:08:04
  Are we behind? Are we ahead?
• 1:08:06
  Will we catch up? Sebastian Kurz had this dream to
• 1:08:09
  bring us into the IE world. Do you think we do enough and
• 1:08:15
  where do we stand? 2025 at the end of the year?
• 1:08:19
  What's your wish for 26? Do we do?
• 1:08:21
  Enough. We we of course do not do
• 1:08:23
  enough. We discussed a lot on like the
• 1:08:27
  ethical use of AI and regulating it and restrictions that has
• 1:08:32
  cost us a lot of time and the US and China are both spearheading
• 1:08:36
  the AI game now. Irrelevant if you think that AI
• 1:08:40
  is a bubble with NVIDIA and IMD and Oracle just giving
• 1:08:44
  themselves the same amount of money to heighten the GDP, but
• 1:08:48
  actually it's just the same amount of money circulating.
• 1:08:51
  But still, there is use cases for AI in research and things
• 1:08:55
  that will change our society as a foundational thing.
• 1:09:00
  But that doesn't mean that Europe needs to compete in the
• 1:09:02
  same level. We don't have to have an NVIDIA,
• 1:09:05
  we don't have to make chips, we don't have to do those things,
• 1:09:09
  but we have to invest, we have to do something.
• 1:09:11
  And what is that something we can use the AI for things we can
• 1:09:16
  make full stack companies, For example, an accounting company
• 1:09:21
  that now isn't only an accounting company, but the
• 1:09:23
  fully AI automated and integrated accounting company
• 1:09:27
  starting using our innovation because we have smart people.
• 1:09:30
  We're always the peak of civilization innovation in
• 1:09:32
  Europe and we still have that here.
• 1:09:34
  But we need to finance it more. And we have to use this
• 1:09:37
  technology. We don't have to produce it.
• 1:09:39
  We're already, it's too late. I'm sorry.
• 1:09:41
  The door has closed already. The the ship has sailed.
• 1:09:44
  China and the US are already producing, but we can use it.
• 1:09:47
  We can use that to make companies from start, from the
• 1:09:50
  ground up, use it in the public sense as well, in politics, in
• 1:09:55
  governments, to ultimate repetitive tasks, to ultimate
• 1:09:58
  things, to have AI help the humans that work with it, not to
• 1:10:03
  replace the humans, but to make them leverage technology to
• 1:10:07
  reach more. And I think in this sector a
• 1:10:10
  Europe can compete using AI in defence, in drone manufacturing,
• 1:10:15
  already existing industries, but AI integrated and fully AI
• 1:10:20
  integrated, that I think is the the front you should be focusing
• 1:10:23
  on at the moment. Don't you think, don't you be a
• 1:10:26
  bit afraid that there will be less jobs in the Landeslagion
• 1:10:30
  and the state bureaucracy, for there will be.
• 1:10:34
  That could be. He will replace the civil
• 1:10:37
  servants. I don't think they will replace
• 1:10:38
  all of the civil servants, but we won't need much more
• 1:10:41
  additional ones. We don't need to hire 20,000
• 1:10:46
  public officials now because we have AI.
• 1:10:49
  So you won't have to hire much more people.
• 1:10:51
  But the people that are already here can do much more work with
• 1:10:55
  less time. So it's going to be much more
• 1:10:56
  efficient. And of course you might need a
• 1:10:58
  bit less positions, but are you going to complain as people?
• 1:11:01
  Those people are representing you.
• 1:11:02
  My taxes are paying for them, so I have to pay less taxes to
• 1:11:06
  finance them. Is that a bad thing?
• 1:11:08
  I don't think so. So should we be afraid of
• 1:11:12
  artificial intelligence? Not really.
• 1:11:15
  We should of course restrict very nefarious use of like for
• 1:11:21
  example making a deep fake of you robbing a store and then
• 1:11:25
  presenting it to the police and saying you interrupt the store.
• 1:11:27
  Arrest this man immediately. Not.
• 1:11:29
  She didn't. I'm just making an example.
• 1:11:32
  But those kinds of uses should be restricted.
• 1:11:34
  But everything else can help us thrive as a continent, as a
• 1:11:38
  people, and that should not be ignored in my opinion.
• 1:11:41
  But Europe is very much about fear in many of these ways.
• 1:11:45
  We are afraid of the future. So we regulate it first and we
• 1:11:49
  regulate it so strictly that we don't we are not fully part of
• 1:11:53
  the future and the possibly. Yes.
• 1:11:55
  And that's why the ship has sailed, that's why we can't
• 1:11:57
  compete in the production now because we've over regulated it.
• 1:12:00
  The AI Act, all of that made, I mean, of course, some things
• 1:12:04
  were good to regulate. Some like I just met mentioned
• 1:12:07
  the example, some things should be regulated, but it doesn't
• 1:12:10
  mean that we shouldn't innovate, that we shouldn't do new things.
• 1:12:14
  And in my opinion, I've, I've said it like 3 Times Now, but
• 1:12:17
  production already too late. But the usage on how to
• 1:12:21
  implement those new technologies and revolutionize all of the
• 1:12:25
  industries that we already have in Europe that are already
• 1:12:27
  massive, that's going to be a front that Europeans should be
• 1:12:31
  on, I think. Should we base our regulation
• 1:12:34
  always so much on fear? No Fear of IE, fear of
• 1:12:39
  genetically modified Geo, of nuclear power.
• 1:12:43
  You know, fear of everything. You're throwing very good
• 1:12:46
  keywords. Then we make this kind of very
• 1:12:49
  strict regulation and then some years later we find out that in
• 1:12:53
  America they had less regulation on this sector.
• 1:12:55
  They have developed a whole industry about the new food
• 1:12:59
  technology, new ways of feeding the world, a new innovative like
• 1:13:05
  artificial intelligence. And then suddenly we say, oh, we
• 1:13:08
  really have to catch up here, now here.
• 1:13:10
  Yeah, no, you can't have a fear based society that's gonna
• 1:13:14
  thrive. You mentioned nuclear power.
• 1:13:17
  We need nuclear. You're speaking.
• 1:13:18
  Nuclear in Austria. Yes, in Austria.
• 1:13:21
  You're speaking from my heart. I I, I think we need nuclear.
• 1:13:25
  So you have abandoned neutrality.
• 1:13:27
  You want nuclear? I do what else you want.
• 1:13:30
  I want genetically modified food.
• 1:13:32
  I want genetically modified to feed the world, yes, and
• 1:13:35
  eradicate hunger. Yes, exactly.
• 1:13:38
  You heard it first year absolutely the World Economic
• 1:13:41
  Forum wants to eradicate. He wants to put that's.
• 1:13:43
  Actually a good thing to do, and there would be technology there
• 1:13:48
  to do it. Yes, but some people are.
• 1:13:50
  When they hear genetic manipulation of food, they think
• 1:13:53
  of Alex Jones, who says they're putting the chemicals in the
• 1:13:56
  water that turn the freaking frogs gay.
• 1:13:59
  We're not putting chemicals in the genetically manipulated
• 1:14:02
  food. It's just.
• 1:14:04
  I guess you're even vaccinated. I'm actually not vaccinated.
• 1:14:08
  No, no, we broke the streak. We broke the streak.
• 1:14:11
  I'm very sorry we broke the streak.
• 1:14:15
  Okay, you should actually. I'm vaccinated.
• 1:14:17
  I have a COVID shot here and I have a flu shot.
• 1:14:20
  I haven't gotten strong. Certainly I have to Seven, no.
• 1:14:23
  US. I'm strong as well, but I'm
• 1:14:25
  strong. Good, good.
• 1:14:25
  We both go to the gym. Yes, I see.
• 1:14:27
  You post. That's very important, guys.
• 1:14:29
  Great. Gym.
• 1:14:30
  This is very important. It builds self-confidence, makes
• 1:14:32
  you stronger, makes you look better.
• 1:14:33
  Great things. The whole discussion to meet you
• 1:14:36
  came up in a discussion on The Fire Rises, on the video game
• 1:14:41
  where I'm involved. And then I played this first
• 1:14:44
  time now because they included me into this mode and I started
• 1:14:48
  to get engaged in a long session and gave me a lot of new
• 1:14:52
  subscribers and everybody there said Gunther, you are nice, but
• 1:14:57
  we want to have Professor Kyle Schwab at The Fire Rises Hearts
• 1:15:01
  of Iron. I guess the professor will not
• 1:15:04
  join. I don't think the professor can
• 1:15:05
  play Hearts of Iron. I have to ask.
• 1:15:08
  Honestly, me not as well unfortunately, but I had some
• 1:15:11
  help from some professional Youtubers who were playing the
• 1:15:14
  game, the mode, and I was just talking.
• 1:15:16
  But in these comments, when you have a lot of comments, they ask
• 1:15:19
  you questions, the audience. And then they all said Gunther
• 1:15:22
  is nice but get Klaus Schwab to join that game.
• 1:15:26
  And then on Twitter, they showed me a lot of photos of Klaus
• 1:15:30
  Schwab, who is like an Internet celebrity.
• 1:15:32
  This kind of what exactly is happening here?
• 1:15:36
  There is a lot of conspiracy theories with like the World
• 1:15:39
  Economic Forum or Klaus Schwab, so he gets a lot of attention of
• 1:15:42
  course. And I always ask myself why is
• 1:15:46
  that? Why is that?
• 1:15:47
  Why are there so many theories about him?
• 1:15:49
  And like a shadow government controlling everything.
• 1:15:53
  And then I tried to put myself in the position of the people
• 1:15:55
  who don't have the insights that I have or aren't active in the
• 1:15:58
  organizations I'm active in, and I can somehow understand it.
• 1:16:03
  Let me put it on the table. Everybody's watching now.
• 1:16:06
  The moment of disclosure is coming.
• 1:16:09
  You see a meeting in Davos, for example, where a lot of high
• 1:16:12
  profile stakeholders come. They are politicians, they're
• 1:16:16
  business leaders, they're people that actually have a lot of
• 1:16:18
  influence and can change things. They all come together in this
• 1:16:21
  specific location and they talk about how they can change the
• 1:16:25
  world to a better place, how they can contribute, and what
• 1:16:27
  they can do to make it a bit more less painful for everyone
• 1:16:31
  else. But that's nothing bad.
• 1:16:33
  Exactly. But on the outside it looks like
• 1:16:36
  powerful people come and discuss and then they do something
• 1:16:39
  shadowy. And that is, I think how the
• 1:16:41
  conspiracy theories come. They don't know what the people
• 1:16:44
  are talking about. They don't know that the things
• 1:16:46
  they're talking about is actually about bettering the
• 1:16:48
  world, bettering the environment, bettering the
• 1:16:50
  politics for the general population.
• 1:16:54
  They think it's like they're talking about how to make money
• 1:16:56
  and how BlackRock is going to buy up all the the, the, the
• 1:16:59
  real estate in the US. They think about those things,
• 1:17:02
  but it is not true. The stakeholders meet in order
• 1:17:05
  to make impact for the general population.
• 1:17:08
  It is going to help them and the vision that the outsiders get
• 1:17:13
  that people aren't engaged into these events, organizations,
• 1:17:16
  whatever. They just see a lot of powerful
• 1:17:18
  people meeting, talking, aligning on something they don't
• 1:17:22
  know what exactly, and then going back and doing that.
• 1:17:25
  That causing is on the website of last.
• 1:17:28
  Time. I know, I know, but it.
• 1:17:29
  Was a reports a message of reports about eradicating hunger
• 1:17:33
  Digital live. Streams as well.
• 1:17:35
  So many things, but. Even live streams.
• 1:17:37
  Yeah, but. Who cares?
• 1:17:38
  Who cares though? No one looks at that.
• 1:17:40
  Why would you look at real information?
• 1:17:42
  You just want the flame. You want to.
• 1:17:44
  Somehow Swap has been turned into a kind of a conspiracy
• 1:17:49
  style digital figure, Yeah, who has his own life as an avatar on
• 1:17:54
  video games, Yeah. Yeah, no, it's because he's the
• 1:17:57
  head of the organization, or was the head.
• 1:17:59
  He's still the. Founder So we have breaking
• 1:18:00
  news. There is no breaking.
• 1:18:02
  News. There is no breaking news.
• 1:18:03
  Indeed, there is no breaking news.
• 1:18:04
  It's just a think tank. It's just a think tank.
• 1:18:07
  With a youth organization. Exactly the.
• 1:18:09
  Charming gentleman is one part of it.
• 1:18:12
  Thank you. Hopefully the President of the
• 1:18:14
  future, who joined today on this podcast and had a very charming
• 1:18:19
  and very good interview with you.
• 1:18:22
  Thanks a lot, gentleman. Which is going for places in the
• 1:18:26
  future. He comes as with a migrant
• 1:18:29
  family from Serbia in the age of 12 to Salzburg.
• 1:18:33
  His parents have worked hard in the tourism industry.
• 1:18:36
  A lot of American tourists came to the nice hotels of Vienna, to
• 1:18:39
  the skiing centers. And his family was part of the
• 1:18:42
  value chain and is now a student.
• 1:18:46
  This law is active in the global community of Shapers, in the
• 1:18:50
  Munich security firm, in Davos and in many other of the think
• 1:18:54
  tanks in the West of Austria and is very charming, where a
• 1:18:59
  gentleman going way and breaking news.
• 1:19:01
  There is no conspiracy and Klaus Schwab is just a normal think
• 1:19:05
  tank personality. So welcome for coming.
• 1:19:08
  You want to say the final last sentence on this session here
• 1:19:12
  please? I just want to thank you Gunther
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  for for having me on here. It was such an interesting and
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  nice conversation. Very like minded individuals.
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  We are. We're both globalists.
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  The NATO was good flattex. We will see.
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  We will see, maybe, but you are for Europe and you are for a
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  secure, prosperous. And on that we agreed.
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  And that we need. To young generation which can
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  enjoy the same freedoms you have had in order to build your
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  company and your activities in beautiful European Union jade
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  events. You're listening, Elon.
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  It's just fine here in Europe. Yes, but.
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  Thanks a lot. Thank you very much for having
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  me, Gunter. It was very.
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  Nice. All the best in 2026 and success
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  in the forest. And Karl Schwab.
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  Invite him to Davos. He's coming up and coming.
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  Thanks a lot.