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Brittish Williams Speaks Out in Exclusive Post Prison Interview · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five about this interview, and I'm here to
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  Speaker 1: say finally, I am giving y'all what y'all want. This
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  Speaker 1: is her first exclusive sit down interview since being Really Ladies, gentlemate,
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  Speaker 1: our girl.
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  Speaker 2: British Williams.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Carlos, I'm so happy to see you.
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  Speaker 2: You look amazing.
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  Speaker 4: You.
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  Speaker 1: You know the last time we chatted, you know, before
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  Speaker 1: you had to turn yourself in. We'll get into that later,
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  Speaker 1: but remember I was saying to you, like you're really pretty.
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  Speaker 2: You're like thank you, Yes, you look even better now.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody you know what. I don't know if I should
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  Speaker 4: be offended telling me that, or how I should feel
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  Speaker 4: about it, but I agree, I appreciate it, and I
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  Speaker 4: think I'm just I'm a different person a little bit
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  Speaker 4: now a lot. Honestly.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, listen, serving time in prison, and
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  Speaker 1: you served for two years? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Two years? How many months?
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  Speaker 4: Nineteen months?
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  Speaker 2: Two years and nine?
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  Speaker 4: No, two years and nicety ball when you do I
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  Speaker 4: don't know time? You do it months? It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I had forty I got a forty eight month sins,
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  Speaker 4: but I only have to do nineteen months of it.
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  Speaker 4: Then I did four months on house arrest.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll get into that in a second.
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  Speaker 1: But my point is, of course that situation, I hope
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  Speaker 1: it would have changed you. So before we get into
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  Speaker 1: the particulars, I just want to ask you, like, how
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  Speaker 1: are you doing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm doing really good. I'm not gonna lie and tell
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  Speaker 4: you that I don't have like social anxiety a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes I'm like, ooh, it's too much stimulation. Like my
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  Speaker 4: daughter says, Mom, I'm overstimulated. So I've started being like,
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  Speaker 4: maybe I've over stimulated.
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  Speaker 2: Oh is she saying that?
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  Speaker 4: She's like Okay, this is too much. The dog is
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  Speaker 4: over stimulating me, and I'm like what. So I'm kind
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  Speaker 4: of at a point where sometimes like a lot of
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  Speaker 4: loud noises is a lot for me, or sometimes where
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  Speaker 4: it's like people talking to me all at one time,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I need like a break. Like I've
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  Speaker 4: really learned how to use what I call my exit
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  Speaker 4: strategy when I think I'm a little bit too overwhelmed.
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  Speaker 4: So I still get a lot more over them now
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  Speaker 4: than I used to. I think is that it used
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  Speaker 4: to being back into the society and the.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's all. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well look, I have to say this, and I do
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  Speaker 1: want you to hear this from me as well, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people do feel this way. Obviously, you
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  Speaker 1: did the crime, and you did your time right, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe in judging anybody when it comes to that,
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  Speaker 1: because that's not my ministry. However, what I would like
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  Speaker 1: to say is we're happy you're home. So let's go
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  Speaker 1: back to listen our interview. You shed so much light
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  Speaker 1: on your situation. Not to get into the weeds of it,
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  Speaker 1: because we've already talked about that, but obviously you know
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  Speaker 1: you were you were sentenced of four years in federal
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  Speaker 1: prison where you did played guilty of fifteen counts of felony. Right,
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  Speaker 1: some of the things included, you know, things with irs
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  Speaker 1: and loans and all the other stuff. I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to read all of that because that's the past. But
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  Speaker 1: you were sentenced to four years. Your judge immediately God, you, judge,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Your attorney immediately released a statement saying that
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  Speaker 1: the four year sentence was egregious and he felt that
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  Speaker 1: you weren't being sentenced for the crime you did. You
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  Speaker 1: were being sentenced for being a celebrity who did the crime.
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  Speaker 1: At that time when you were sentenced to four years,
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  Speaker 1: did you also feel like, listen, I played guilty, so
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  Speaker 1: clearly I did something wrong.
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  Speaker 2: But did you feel that four years worth too much? Then?
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  Speaker 4: I did?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I did?
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  Speaker 2: Then?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Now I've come to a point where I have
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  Speaker 4: taken full accountability for my actions. I've come to a
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  Speaker 4: point where as I really shit and became these new
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  Speaker 4: layers of myself, shared those layers to become the new
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  Speaker 4: version of myself. I've realized that there were a lot
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  Speaker 4: of things about me that needed to change, and I
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  Speaker 4: don't think that those things would have been able to
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  Speaker 4: change if I had not went to prison. Prison gave
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  Speaker 4: me this new outlook on life. It gave me so
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  Speaker 4: much humility. I was able to see other people in
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  Speaker 4: different life. I was able to be with the people
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  Speaker 4: that I'm like, God, you went through that, or Oh
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  Speaker 4: my God, that happened to you. I was able to. Really,
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  Speaker 4: I've never had as much time in my life to
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  Speaker 4: be able just to have me time to myself, to
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  Speaker 4: be able to it sounds crazy, but to be honest
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  Speaker 4: with you, I never I never felt free until my
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  Speaker 4: freedom was taken away. And that's just the plain that
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  Speaker 4: to me.
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  Speaker 1: I never felt free until my freedom was taken away.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I think what happened for me was that I
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  Speaker 4: learned to know myself again. I think I had got
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  Speaker 4: to a point where I wasn't living the reality star,
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't living in the reality of the world. I
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  Speaker 4: have my own way of thinking or the way that
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  Speaker 4: things should go, and not knowing that the rest of
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  Speaker 4: the world is not living how I'm living, or the
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  Speaker 4: rest of the world is not in that space that
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  Speaker 4: I'm in, and that I am totally ungrateful. I was
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  Speaker 4: so ungrateful, I was so entitled. I was that had
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  Speaker 4: no humility at all, none at all. I didn't and
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  Speaker 4: I am just at a point. I've read a book
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  Speaker 4: while I was in prison. It is Oprah's her her
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  Speaker 4: when she used to do her Soulful Sundays, but she
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  Speaker 4: would have her interviews and she took like a correlation
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  Speaker 4: to put all of these books together, like all these
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  Speaker 4: different interviews and put into a book. And something that
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  Speaker 4: I read was you have to learn how to take
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  Speaker 4: your taking, taking the things you put expectations and replacing
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  Speaker 4: them with appreciation. And that's something that I'm like literally
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  Speaker 4: lived by now. Even when it comes to my child,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, you need to appreciate that a little
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  Speaker 4: bit more, or like you're very spoiled, and I know
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  Speaker 4: it's our fault because we spoil her, but I need
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  Speaker 4: you to understand that people have way less than you
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  Speaker 4: and that those things can be taken away from you.
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  Speaker 4: Being able to be in prison, I went from you know,
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  Speaker 4: being able to do anything I thought I could want
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  Speaker 4: to do to being able to have to be the
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  Speaker 4: same as everyone else. It was wearing green uniforms, eating
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  Speaker 4: the same food. Like you you're you're stuck into what
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  Speaker 4: you're being told what to do, there's nothing you can
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  Speaker 4: do about it, and you're stuck in a place where
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  Speaker 4: you can't leave. And it just put me in a
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  Speaker 4: different space to where I am now, my health wise,
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  Speaker 4: Like when people say health is wealth, it's a real
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  Speaker 4: thing for me. Now. I work out six times a week.
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  Speaker 4: I'm with my track. Yes, I'm obsessed with working out.
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  Speaker 1: I run.
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  Speaker 4: It started off from being in prison. Weren't running on
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  Speaker 4: the track and going out to like we call it
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  Speaker 4: like going outside, like going on the track, and I
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  Speaker 4: would go and I would run, and I would go
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  Speaker 4: to the gym and I would just kind of work out.
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  Speaker 4: But now it's like it's a part of my lifestyle
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  Speaker 4: every day. Like this morning, I got up. I had't
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  Speaker 4: worke out in three days because it was my birthday
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  Speaker 4: this weekend, and I was like, getting up and go
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  Speaker 4: to the gym. I did. I did three and a
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  Speaker 4: half miles on a treadmill. I was like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: felt better, you know. So. I think it's just I
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  Speaker 4: really had to understand that the things that I thought
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  Speaker 4: were okay with me were not okay. Like I really
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  Speaker 4: wasn't entitled. Bitch's no other way around it. That's really
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  Speaker 4: how I felt, and I really went through counseling, and
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  Speaker 4: I went through a program in prison that really had
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  Speaker 4: me dig deep into who I was as a person
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  Speaker 4: and to dig deep into the people that I've affected
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  Speaker 4: in my life. And I don't think that I was
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  Speaker 4: able to look at those things from being able to
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  Speaker 4: be objective from all parties. I wasn't objective. I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: objective person at all. I always saw stuff how I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to see and what I thought was okay. And
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  Speaker 4: that's just not a way to be able to be
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  Speaker 4: to live your life, or to be able to be
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  Speaker 4: a part of the world if you want to actually
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  Speaker 4: make an impact on the world.
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  Speaker 1: To me, that is beautiful because the thing is this,
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  Speaker 1: you are such a different woman than who I met,
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  Speaker 1: like almost two years ago, right because at that time, look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just being real with you. I even felt that
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  Speaker 1: you were in denial about the things you did. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I, respectfully, of course, just wanted you
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  Speaker 1: to tell your truth. But I really was like, the
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  Speaker 1: reality hasn't hit her yet. And the beauty of your
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  Speaker 1: situation is you allow yourself to really deal with the
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  Speaker 1: ramifications of your actions.
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  Speaker 2: So with that being said, can you walk.
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  Speaker 1: Us through the first day you were in prison and
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  Speaker 1: what that was like, because, again in your words, not mine,
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  Speaker 1: here's this entitled bitch walking into.
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  Speaker 2: Prison for the very first time.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's let let's take it back a step further.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I think I was.
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  Speaker 4: I was so entitled at the fact that I didn't
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  Speaker 4: even go self surrender on time because my lawyer told me,
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  Speaker 4: don't self surrender. It's fine, we're gonna put that pill in.
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  Speaker 4: They'll give you this, they'll give you that. Just totally
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  Speaker 4: in denial about what was going on, like I had
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  Speaker 4: to go to prisons like that is just what it was.
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  Speaker 4: And I didn't seb surrender on time. So a week later,
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  Speaker 4: the marshals came to my house. They didn't kick the
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  Speaker 4: door downs with they have marshals all around my house.
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  Speaker 4: They came, they arrest me. You have a federal warrant.
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  Speaker 4: You know you're supposed to be in prison this time,
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  Speaker 4: blah blah blah. And I was going to a camp
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  Speaker 4: at the time. I was going to Alderson Camp. And
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  Speaker 4: because I didn't go to camp, I was put behind
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  Speaker 4: the wall. So I was really in prison. I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: at camp. I was I was behind the wall in prison.
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  Speaker 4: So for nineteen months I did. I did all my
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  Speaker 4: time in prison, person not in camp.
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  Speaker 1: Waste hold on because you did not self surrender. Your
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  Speaker 1: punishment was instead of going to camp, they said, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: since you did this, we're now going to.
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  Speaker 4: Put a management variable on you and you're going to
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  Speaker 4: go to prison because that you're gonna go behind the
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  Speaker 4: wall because we have to make sure you're not gonna
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  Speaker 4: run because the camp you could just leave if you
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  Speaker 4: wanted to. Technically, I mean, listen, you gotta I am
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  Speaker 4: a firm believer in it doesn't matter what you do.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe not two years ago I didn't believe it, but
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  Speaker 4: you gotta pay for what you do. That's just what
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  Speaker 4: it is, and you have to end whatever whatever you
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  Speaker 4: put out in the world. People think karma is not
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  Speaker 4: a real thing, but karma is such a real thing.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that for me, I was thinking that oh,
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  Speaker 4: maybe I was doing all of this, or I was
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  Speaker 4: making I was doing these crimes. There wasn't really a
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  Speaker 4: big deal because all black people do it, and this
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  Speaker 4: and this and that, all these excuses, when in reality,
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  Speaker 4: all I had to do is walk on the straight
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  Speaker 4: and narrow and to understand that God has given me
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  Speaker 4: so many blessings. He's given me so many opportunities. He's
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  Speaker 4: put me in position, and he keeps giving it to me,
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  Speaker 4: and he keeps giving it to me. He keeps giving
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  Speaker 4: it to me. He's like, Okay, I'm gonna get the
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  Speaker 4: ball again. Let me see if you're gonna balance it?
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  Speaker 1: Are you?
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  Speaker 4: Are you?
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  Speaker 2: Are you?
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  Speaker 4: Are you gonna balance it? Are you? And I think
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  Speaker 4: that if I wouldn't have set down and really gotten
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  Speaker 4: to the word of God and reading my Bible and
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  Speaker 4: reading so many different I've read so many books. I
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  Speaker 4: studied forty eight Laws of Power for nine months. Oh
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  Speaker 4: It's probably the horrible, most horrible thing that I've ever done,
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  Speaker 4: because now I dissect everything. I hate it. But it's
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  Speaker 4: like I just really was able to put my all
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  Speaker 4: into figuring out what my purpose was. And I think
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  Speaker 4: a lot a lot for me. I used to walk
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  Speaker 4: in how much why am I going to make? Or
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  Speaker 4: what am I going to do for this? And how
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  Speaker 4: much money is this going to take? And and now
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  Speaker 4: I just don't feel like that no more. Now it's
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  Speaker 4: like I'm walking in my purpose and whatever my purpose
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  Speaker 4: is that God has given me the money will come
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  Speaker 4: with it. That's just where I'm at with it. I've
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  Speaker 4: been trying to make decisions about starts. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if that really goes. I used to go
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  Speaker 4: with things against things that I thought was a part
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  Speaker 4: of my integrity, and now I refuse to do anything
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  Speaker 4: that I feel I could hinder my brand. And I
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  Speaker 4: can feel like that my daughter may look at me
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  Speaker 4: crazy for ten years from now. I'm just in a
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  Speaker 4: different space about how I do things. And I just
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  Speaker 4: think that no matter what, God is going to leave
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  Speaker 4: me in the right way and with his grace and
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  Speaker 4: his mercy, it's just nothing that I won't be able
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  Speaker 4: to accomplish with whatever it is that he wants me
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  Speaker 4: to do.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what I want to do, I love that. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: everybody knows I'm very spiritual. So everything you're saying is gospel.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really loving this growth that I'm seeing with you.
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  Speaker 1: So what was prison like for you for those nineteen months? Oh?
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  Speaker 4: My god? The first day in prison, I walked in,
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  Speaker 4: I got I took a bus across. We went from Oh,
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  Speaker 4: I flew we call it Conye. It was a private plane,
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  Speaker 4: but it wasn't my type of private plane.
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  Speaker 2: No plush seats, honey, No.
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  Speaker 4: They have you literally chained at your chain, in your
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  Speaker 4: at your at your hands, You're chained at your feet.
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  Speaker 1: And Ninnie Lee's and Carlos King are going on tour,
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  Speaker 1: starting with a two city stop in February. On Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: before they sell out. See you there, to.
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  Speaker 4: Be honest with you, And it's funny when you think
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  Speaker 4: about it, and when I really think about it, it's
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  Speaker 4: not funny because it's almost like you look like it's
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  Speaker 4: so many cause you're on there with me and it
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  Speaker 4: maybe like fifteen women in every the rest of the
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  Speaker 4: planet is nothing but men. It almost looks like slaves,
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  Speaker 4: like a slavery coming in and out. The planes are
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  Speaker 4: coming up, they're coming down, they're dropping them off, they
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  Speaker 4: dropping dow, theyre picking them up, they're ropping them down,
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  Speaker 4: and it's like so really sad to see because I'm
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  Speaker 4: watching like it's like to some of them it's their
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  Speaker 4: new normal, like they go to prison over and over again,
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  Speaker 4: and it's like they don't understand the capacity of what
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  Speaker 4: it is doing to their community or what is doing
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  Speaker 4: to their family. I think for me being in prison,
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  Speaker 4: it was like I walked in and I had to
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  Speaker 4: They put me in this unit and I had these
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  Speaker 4: bunks and I was like, this is the cover. The
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  Speaker 4: covers was brown covers with holes in them, and we
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  Speaker 4: had to figure out how to I learned how to jail.
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  Speaker 4: Though I learned. I learned how to jail. And but
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  Speaker 4: the first the first six months, I cried every single
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  Speaker 4: day I would want a shower, I would just cry.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't cry because I didn't want them to think
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  Speaker 4: I was weak, but I was crying to shower. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my god, I can't believe I'm here. Oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: I don't deserve it. Oh my god, oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: It was always it was always me telling myself for
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  Speaker 4: those first six months that this hit couldn't be happening
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  Speaker 4: to me, like I don't deserve this. So I got
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  Speaker 4: to the point where I had to really take accountability
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  Speaker 4: that British, I need you to understand that this is
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  Speaker 4: me talking to myself. You did something wrong. You need
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  Speaker 4: to take accountability for that. You need to pay the price,
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  Speaker 4: which is at the time of list, which the judge
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  Speaker 4: gave you was forty eight months. You have to do
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  Speaker 4: the time that he's given you. And it's weird because
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  Speaker 4: I told my probation officer, I was like, I really
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  Speaker 4: want to talk to my judge and have a conversation
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  Speaker 4: on him. And she was like what. I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I kind of want to thank him, you know, And
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  Speaker 4: she was like, write him a letter. He was like,
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  Speaker 4: he always wants to. They read all the letters. And
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I used to be so angry with him,
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  Speaker 4: like I thought that he like, I'm like, he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: have a heart. He's hardly She took me away from
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  Speaker 4: my daughter. He did this, and he said something to
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: me when he sent it to me, and he said you,
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: He said, you just told me in your letter that
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: you knew what you were doing, and you did it anyway.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: He said, you are a public figure and you have
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: a higher responsibility to the people that look up to
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: you than a regular person does. And when I first
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: heard that then it was like the nerve of you
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: to think that I'm supposed to be better than somebody
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: because this is what I do, or the nerve for
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: you to think that you should sends me based on this,
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: But in reality he was so right. God has given
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: me an opportunity to be able to be in a
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: space to have a platform, to be able to be
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: a voice for them. And instead of me being a
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: positive voice and being there to be as as as
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: a great example of what people should do, I decided
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: to do it the wrong way. So I might have
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: affected some women or girls or whoever that might think
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: that what I did was okay and then when it
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: did that and maybe they could be in the same predicament.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Or I might have disappointed some of my fans because
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: they didn't think that I would do that because they
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: saw me as this hard working mother or you know,
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: an entrepreneur. So in reality, he's right. I do hold
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: a higher standard to the world of how I should
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: display and what I should do. And now I leve
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: everybody less. Means I don't even want a handicapped placker.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: I want nothing to do with nothing illegal. Whatever's going on,
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: please keep me out of it. And I'm acting and
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: I've learned conspiracy is a real thing. Conspiracy is me
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: and you can be sitting here talking and we could
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: be like, let's go rob this back downtown, and whether
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: we go rob it or not, that's conspiracy. They can
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: get you on it. So anybody talks about and oh,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: I don't even want to hear it.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: You block it out. You block it out.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: So the thing is, when you were there the first
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: six months, you're crying every day.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Do the women recognize you?
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: It was a frenzy when I went into the prison,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: like literally to the point where I had to sign
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: something that said that the BOFP would keep me safe
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: because I was a public figure and they had to
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: make sure that the things certain things didn't happen. I
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: would go and take pictures with people on the weekends
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: when we did picture stuff, like I really like, I
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: really had, honestly to be in prison and to walk
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: through all these different lives of people because I've met
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: so many people. I met older people, younger people. They
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: have people that are eighteen that are in prison with
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: girls that's got twenty years or women that I met
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: like miss Bell, which is somebody that I became really
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: close to and she has a life sentence and you know,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: I really and she's been on the she's been on
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: the list to get to get partned, and I met ms.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you know who miss West is,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: but Kim Kardashian was working with Miss Michelle West and
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: she got her partnered. Yes, in February. She was really
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: one of my close mentors while I was in prison,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: I said, and had conversations with her. She gave she
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: had me read this Langston Houston, this Langston Hughes book
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: that I loved. We would still to have meetings. She
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: was sent and talk to me her daughter, who is
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: a stylist that's out in LA. Like, I met really
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: interesting and good people that really helped me throughout the way.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: And I was so blessed to watch her go home
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: because she had two life sentences plus fifty years. You know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: nobody can do that, but God, there's no other way
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: around it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Were you before prison? Were you always spiritual?
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: I was? I was. I was fake spiritual. I think
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: like I was, like cause I really when I was younger,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: I thought I was called to be a preacher and
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: like I did, like I would go to Sunday school
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: and I would do this, and I would do that.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: But I never I never had the relationship that I
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: have with God now, and I wouldn't have because when
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: you're when you're sitting in that space, or you're in prison,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: or you're in that there's nobody else you can call
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: on but Him. And sometimes God puts you in a
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: space where you only can call on Him and only
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: be responsible for him. And I don't think that's something
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: that I really really understood until that moment came. And
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I tell people all the time God's grace and his mercy.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I don't think I ever could have got through it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: I don't ever, I don't think I could have. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: think there's no way around it.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Let's get back into the shell.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I tell people this all the time, and I tell
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: myself this, right, if we have any tissue we can
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: give to want to make sure because the faces beat, Yeah, listen,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: God doesn't make mistakes. And one thing I know for
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: sure is God always wants you.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: To turn to Him.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: And when we have free will, right, that's the blessing
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: of being on this earth.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: We have free will to do what we want to do.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: We're not supposed to do everything we want to do right,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and sometimes we make decisions that isn't right, and we
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: sometimes ask God, well, why did you make this happen,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: versus being like, no, I made this happen, and what
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I need to do is repent of my sins and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: really follow God's word to help me out of this situation,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: because all He wants you to do is rely on him.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: And everything you're saying is true in terms of sometimes
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: God will put you in a situation where you can
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: only rely on Him and you only know it's Him.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: And I know that from my life. I know that
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: for lo as.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Many people who are in this industry, you are, even
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: in this conversation, changing lives with tons of women because
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the thing that you did.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And I will never forget this.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: When you and I had our conversation before you went
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to prison, you were talking about the things you were
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: doing and you were like, everybody does it, and I
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: was like, I never heard of it?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: What was it?
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: That was CPN?
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the CPN.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I know a CPA girl, I said, what's
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: a CPN? And then people were in my DMS like
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you never heard of it? And I'm like, I wasn't
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: being shady to my girl, like I as a forty
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: something girl.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Guy never heard of that at the time.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you're even saying like
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: even saying that, like, well, everybody does it, Well, everybody
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: robs the bank.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you should do it at all.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you were you were
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: able to allow yourself out to really seek God in
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: those darkest moments because he is the only person that
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: can help you out of the situation. Because let's be clear,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you were sentenced to four years and only served nineteen months.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: So I think, so this is the thing just about that.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: So people don't really understand the federal system, and you
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: don't really understand it until you have to be in
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: the system where you have a loved one that's in
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: the system to understand it. So people are like, oh,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: you gotta do eighty five percent, Well not really anymore.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: So really you're doing happier time now because of the
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: different programs that have been the First Step Act, the
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Second Chance Act. You have all these different programs that
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: stack on top of your sentence to be able to
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: make you leave prison a lot quicker. So one thing
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: that I was able to do while I was in
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: prison and I did a program car called art app
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: ourd APP is a residential drug residential drug program where
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: you go in if you have an alcohol problem, you
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: smoke weed or people I was in there were people
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: that have really hard drugs that were a heroine I
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: was on, was on heroin or you know, fitting all
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: or things of that nature. And you go through this
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: nine month process of learning and digging deep into yourself
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: to understand who you are from doing all these different
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: kind of assignments, for being able to have to get
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: up every day and do the exact same thing, having
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: to have your bed made, having to be in uniform,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: having to do all these things until I got to
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: a point where I was a senior guide, which is
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: the person that leads the community within the that leads
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: the community within our app and our depth changed my life.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie to you, and to the point
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: where I even went and talked about it to the
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: stakeholders while I was still in prison, to the people
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: that was there, because it really really really helped me.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I don't and to be honest with you, I didn't
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: have a drug problem. I mean, you know, I smoked
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: weed sometimes during alcohol I didn't have a drug need,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: you know, but I made it. So I did because
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: when you do our dep you get a year off
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: of you get a year off your.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Sentence and and how long is that program?
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Then when you get out, you have to do four
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: months of T that so that I just got off
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: of T that two weeks ago. What's that T that
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: is when you go and you do one on one
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: counseling once a week and then you do one on one,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: I mean you do group counseling once a week. So
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: I would go on Wednesdays and Thursdays. And it just
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: gives you another process of being able to process now
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: being on the other side of the gate, to make
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: sure that you're still walking in that straight line to
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: be able. And it really wasn't about drugs. It was
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: about changing your It's about your cognitive think cognitive thinking,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: so understanding excuse me, I had criminal thinking errors that
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: I hadn't that's what they're called. I had no clue
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: I had them. I didn't know. Entitlement. Entitlement super optimism
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: and thinking that I can get away with something like
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: I have superpower, so I can get away with stuff.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: What was another one? That was something that was good
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: cognitive indolence, like being lazy or just thinking that taking
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: the shortcut around things that I wouldn't have to do it,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: or you just learn all these things and then you
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: go and then we learn about these common thinking errors
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: and we like take them about the positive attitude and
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: you try to combat them with them. So for me,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: mine was entitledment. I'm very entitled. I thought. I was like,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: you know, top of queen bitch, who's gonna tell me
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: what to do? Who you're talking to? Like, but like
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: in prison, there's no queen bitch like you. Well, so
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: there is some I.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Was gonna ask you because there again, I watched movies,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: so I don't know this is a fact or not,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: but in the movies and the TV shows, there seems
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to be in female prisons this.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: You know, den mother, the queen bee, the one you
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: just don't.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Mess well, And they have some that and one. Most
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: of them were the older ladies that have been there
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: for a very long time. And I was really cool
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: with all of them, like.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I really, they're gonna try you.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: No, try me, like try to fight me.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: And stuff, yeah, like like to test your my gangster.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, one time I got tested.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: It was what happened with them.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I mean it was fine. We can't talk about all
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: those prison stories, but it worked out fine. But I
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: really people, really, I think more so for me to
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: be in prison. It really wasn't about I started. You
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: have to have a job where I was at. So
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: I became a teacher and I started an e commerce
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: course where I taught all the women how to start
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: online courses and how to be able to get their
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: LLC's and get their EI in numbers to be able
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: to start their own businesses. So I did that within
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: the prison. That was something I did. You don't have
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: out of eight hundred and something prisoners, there's only eight
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: teachers in the whole entire prison. So if people would
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: come and meet with me, I would go over their
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: business plans with them. I would help them whatever I
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: DIDs they had. They would bring me their scripts about
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: shows and movies they wanted to do. I was like, oh, listen,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: got a dog, you should tweak this or usually I
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: don't like about it. I don't know about that. So
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: I really like took things that I knew and tried
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: to pour it into other people. And then people really
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: pour stuff into me too. I did a whole I
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: interviewed seventy five women while I was in prison. I did.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna going to release a book called US Versus
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: the United States of America. Well it talks about all
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: of their things that they the things versus United States
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: said this and what they what the real truth was,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: and kind of like compare the two base on their
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: cases and just giving people a voice to be able
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: to talk about what happened to them and talk about
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: their children. And I just did. I just I tried
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: my best after I got over being a bitch for
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: six months, to give to get the best experience out
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: of it, because I think when we look at it
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: on TV, for me, I was like, oh my god,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: they're going to try to cut my face. Oh my god,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm gonna have to watch it. Men
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: prisons are like that, but women prisons are not like that.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: It's like a big slumber party. Honestly, it's not the best, but.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: It's not this who as dangerous? No, maybe the men
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: present away.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: They still are fighting, they still are cutting people's faces.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: That those things are still happening. Yes, yes, yes I did.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: I saw somebody get into a fight. I saw somebody
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: take a raise of blade and cut somebody in their face. Yeah,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: I saw all of it. That happened for sure. M hm.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And what would you do? Just mind your business?
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's the best thing for you to do, because
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: if you walk into to try to break up a fight,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: they'll put you'll be in the shoe too. The shoe
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: is the special housing unit where men call it the whole.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Like you literally go and you're in a space for
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: at least thirty days where you're by yourself and of steale.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: So that's not worth it. You know what, I rarely
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: could do prison I was gonna do that. I celebrate
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: that to I'm like, uhh yeah, whatever you'll got going
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: off the over there, I can't do it.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: And you know, there was a picture that was viral.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: I heard a couple of them. Yeah I saw.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but so okay, so explained to the
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: rain drop. There's there's a picture. It's Bredish for her
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: natural hair.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Uh huh.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: First of all, the body was bodying.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Was I sitting like this?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: It was?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: It was like a bodies abundant situation and maybe a bag.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: But the body, you'll have to like these You don't
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: like these sweat suits.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: We only can wear sweats. Don't have nothing enough.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: But but the carves and carving, yeah, we get them,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: We get them altered, We get the sweat since alters
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: in prison, girl, I have never met so many talented
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: people in my life. They do alterations, they make books,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: they do they do arts and crabs. If you could
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: see the things that they put together for birthday in prison,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: you'd be like, what the hell? Like literally cakes and
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: flowers out of paper, just like crazy stuff.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: You'd be like, wow, Like I'm telling you, it's like
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: being in a whole other world.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: But no, it was good because it was you and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: a bunch of baddies and my mad mean beautiful women.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: It was they're all cute, are you?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Guys were so cute and we were just looking like,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, y'all look at good in prison. Because again,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: people really look at some of these shows that they
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: think like, Okay, there's beautiful women who unfortunately are in
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: prison or whatever. But we feel like, okay, you know again,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming like it's corn rows. You know, y'all take
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: your wig off and when you get there and well
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you can't, well they.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Would sneak weaving sometimes, but like I would wear my
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: hair braided, like I get my hair braided or wearing
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: a bun. Sometimes I'll get my hair braided every week,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: like somebody canna break my hair, and I'll give my
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: heart braided.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: So and who does hair?
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: You got somebody that does hair. You got somebody that
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: does nails. You have somebody to do wash clothes. You
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: got somebody to cook. You got somebody do everything. It's
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: the same kind of thing. It's just like it's own
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: little world.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: How was the food?
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Our food wasn't bad? They said, we have our prison
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: that I was that had some of the best food.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: But honestly, to be honest with you, guys, I would
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: like I learned how to really like prison cook and
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: cook in prison.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: What's prison cook?
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Like? I learned how to make like rice bowls, and
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: like I learned how to make like anchiladas, and I
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: would make tacos, and like you make convasary. No, you
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: have to boil it in hot water. You have to
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: drop it in hot water. You have to put me
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: with cooking bags. Like it's a real thing. Like I
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: went from having a chef to cook it in a bag.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: I thought about it on Sunday because my birthday we
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: had the chef came a couple of days and cooked
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: for us and stuff. Shout out to my chef. He's
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: really cool and he came and cooked for us, and
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: I was like, I sat there and I started crying.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: And my best friend looked at me, like, what's wrong
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: with true? I said, because I was just cooking out
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: of a plastic bag four months ago. And my other
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: friend came in, walked up stairs. It was just like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: what is wrong with you? She was like, I'm just
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: so happy you're home. She was like, I'm just so
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: happy we could do this, because it's really weird to
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: just I learned how to do things because I didn't
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: have a choice. But it's not it was a It
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: was it was a big, a big not a shocker
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: would be a good word. But I think a very
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: very good reality chick.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure, No, no, no, And I'm glad.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: But it goes back to what you said earlier about
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: having gratefulness because you appreciate what we can, what we
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: take for granted.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: A refrigerator, a mic away, the simple things that we
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: think nothing about. So grateful for this, the smallest things.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: When you talk about your entitlement, were you entitled like
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: as a little girl teenager, or did being famous and
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: being a reality start and making entitled.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: I've been in titleed my entire life to the point
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: where I see it in my daughter now. So it's
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: like I'm read, I'm retaking. I'm trying to readjust her
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: at seven so that she doesn't feel like she's so spoiled.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: And I think that a lot of us, as women
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: I've watched it, we categorize it as being spoiled. But
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: entitlement is a real thing when you feel like you're
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: entitled to have something, Are you entitled to something, or
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: you feel like you're better than someone so you deserve
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: this more than the other person does. And a lot
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: of us, for me, I used to do it in
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: simple things like well girl, you know, I am like
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: what's up? Like I pay extra? Or like forget her
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: who cares? Like I don't think like that anymore. I'm like,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: uh uh, like you know if this person was here first,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: like even I have. So this is what I've been
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: telling people. I have so much patience now, but my
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: tolerance is a minimum. I have so much patience, though
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: I don't have a problem. If the old lady is
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: walking down the street, it's taking her ten minutes in
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: front of me, no problem. It's just that I look
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: at times so much different. Nothing is more valuable than
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: my time now, because when someone takes that away from you,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: that is the one thing I cannot get back, and
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: that's the one thing I want to allow anyone to
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: waste of my time. So my tolerance for bull is
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: I absolutely no, in whatever case it may be. I'm
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: not arguing with nobody. I'm not fighting with nobody. I'm
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: not letting I'm not allowing someone to use me in
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: any kind of way that is malicious or negative. I'm
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: not dealing with negative energy. I'm just at a space
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: where I just need to be able to walk on
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: the path that I need to do to be able
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: to do the best thing for me and my child.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: So anything that takes me from that, I'm out.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Who was watching your daughter for those nineteen months?
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Her dad had her, my best friend had her, my mom.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Her dad did a really really good job. I'm not
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: gonna lie. She's very overly spoiled now, but it's fine.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: But he did a really really good job, and she
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: came to visit me a couple of times. She came
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: to four months. Yes, it was so hard, and she
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: spoke life and to me. The first time she came,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: she was about to leave and I started crying when
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: she was walking away, and she walking back over and
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: she's like, Mommy, you'll be home. So you're strong, you're beautiful,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: and she gave me a kiss on my nose and
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: she said, go take a nap. I'll see you tomorrow
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: when she came back the next day. And she's just really,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: really strong she has. I don't think we understand how
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: much resilience our kids have, because in my mind, I
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, my daughter's gonna hate me.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: She's gonna have abandonment issues like these are all the
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: things I was thinking because my mom wasn't as active
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: in my life as I would have wanted her to
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: be when I was a kid, so I didn't want
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: my daughter to feel like that was the same thing.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: But she did counseling the whole time I was gone.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: She did counseling once a week thought the time I
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: was gone, So I made sure that she kind of
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: was in a space where she could talk to someone
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: about something if she needed help with something. And I
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: think that's a big thing that our community doesn't really
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: understand or take value to mental health and being able
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: to talk to someone about the things that were going
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: through and I was. I was a victim of not
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: wanting to. It's not wrong with me. I realized that
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: until I was in prison, I hadn't even a grieved
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: my father passing away the proper way and understanding the
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: level of grief and the stages of grief and just
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: it's just been so many things that I've been enlightened
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: to now that I was able to be open to.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: I wasn't open to anything. I just thought I knew
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: it all. And I just thought that I knew better
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: than the next person knew. Or she don't know what
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: she's talking about. Or I got my money to her,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: so what can she tell me? And money has absolutely
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: nothing to do with being able to be objective or
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: money has nothing to do with being a good person.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: And I'm learning that people, most people that have the
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: most money are not the best people. And I don't
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: want to be that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Well, it's being titled, man, you know what I mean
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of people who have lots of means some
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: of them are ver entitled. Do you remember the day
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: that you were told you're getting out early?
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I've learned. So when I did our DApp,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: they told me, they were like, you're gonna learn what
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: day you're going home by this day, this day, and
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: let me tell you how I kept getting tested. Ooh,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: I kept getting tested. I kept getting tested. So I
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: was supposed to get out, and I was supposed to
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: get out in July, like of June.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: We got into June this year of.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: This year, and what happened was our graduation dates got
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: pushed back. So then they were like, oh, well, you
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: guys are probably leaving July. And I was like, okay,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: so I'll graduate and then i'll graduate from our DAP
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: and I'll leave the next day, or I'll leave a
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: couple days later. Originally I was leaving like the next
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: day after graduation. Well, they came called me back and
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I was like, no, you're not leaving ntil four weeks
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: after your graduation. I'm like another month and they're like yes.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: I'm like why you know? And then she ended up
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: calling and they gave me like an extra week to come,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: and so I ended up leaving prison on August the twelfth,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: which was on my mother's birthday, which was interesting, and
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: we tried to surprise my daughter, but she was listening
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: to everybody's conversation so she knew I was coming home.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: And it was It was weird, honestly, like to walk
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: out of those gates and like freely be able to
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: walk out. I was like, WHOA, Like this was like
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: the air smells different outside, and everyone looked different and
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: things were different. AI is this whole thing that I
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: still can't figure out. I've been trying to figure it
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: out and I still not there yet, but I'm trying.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: And just everything was just you don't realize how fast
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: things change within a short period of time. And I
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: love how everyone was like you weren't going that long.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: It's gonna get went by so fast. I'll be looking
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: at them like yeah for you.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Because being in prison, the days fell long.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: Ooh, they're so long. They are long because you're counting
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: them down. I just stopped counting down days two weeks ago.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not even being funny. I talked about therapist about
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: this because I was counting down. Today I got out
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: of prison, I'm calming down, so I got graduated, and
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: I was counting down to there I gout of prison.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Then I had the ankle monitor on, so I was
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: counting down how many days until I got off the
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: ankle monitor, and then until the day I got Then
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: I heard no. That was another thing. I wasn't supposed
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: to get off until December the sixteenth, and my PARATIONI
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, no, you're getting off early. And
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: I got off on the fourth, So I was happy
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: about that too. But that was a whole other beast
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: in itself, because you're you're you're out in the free world,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: but you can't do anything. You have to put in
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: a schedule for every single thing that you do. You
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: can't go anywhere without asking about it. You can't stop
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: at the grocery store, you can't stop at Walgreens. And
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: my daughter and needs better don't have to ask to.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Do so because part of the conditions of your early
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: release was you had to have an ankle.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Monitor for how long? Four months or four months? Was it?
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: House arrested, I was on what they call federal location monitoring,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: which is a new thing that the federal system is
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: doing where you go straight home to your probation officer
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: and your probation officer is like the liaison between the BOP,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: which is the you know, the Bureau of Prisons and
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: then you. But they have to say so because you're
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: still technically an inmate. You're just on the street. Most
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: people go to like to they usually go to like
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: a halfway house or something. But they didn't make me
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: gonna say. They let me go to straight home, which
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: was nice of them, but it gives you more restrictions
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: compared to me, not a halfway house.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: So anytime you wanted to like walk out the door,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you had to.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Have it scheduled. I've just been having my freedom for
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: the real in real life for literally two weeks, to
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: the point where I'd be like if you have to remember,
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: like I'm putting my pants on, like if you don't
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: have anc monitor anymore, or like you can leave the
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: house at eleven o'clock, that you can leave. I would
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: be home by six o'clock.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Was it was it weird for you to shower by yourself?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, it was.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Well, the thing with the showers is it was weird
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: for me to shower with no shoes on, because the
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: there you shower with shower shoes on. I never want
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: to put it on shower shoes again, Like athletes do
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: it a lot, you know, but like to have every
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: day you have to put on shower shoes. And like
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: I hated looking at everyone's hair. Oh the hair got
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: them my nurse. I have like a phobia with hair now.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: It's just it's horrible. And then like he's shaken because
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: the guards would walk with their keys. It's just little things.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: It's like reminding her prison. Oh my god.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: So you as as of today, you've been off of
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: ankle monitoring for two weeks.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: It's been well, that was the fourth about this is
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: the third.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Week, the third week, so for the past three weeks,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: how has life been for you.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: It's been refreshing, But it's been weird because I've been
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: so used to somebody telling me what to do for
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: like the past two years. So it's like now I
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: have my own freedom do what I want to do.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: And I'm really really careful about the things that I
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: said yes and no to, Like I just because I
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: want to be able to walk on that line that
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: keeps me where I need to be. I'm just a
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: lot more cautious now about.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Things now that you're out, what is your relationship like
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: now with your child's father, Lorenzo.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Me and Lorenzo have a good We have a good
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: co parents and relationships. Still, Lorenzo did a phenomenal job
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: with my daughter. I will forever be indebted and thankful
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: to him for how he treated her, how he was
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: very acceptive as a father, even with him just helping
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: me with things. Since I've been home, he's always been.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: He's just a great support system. As far as it's
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: being together, No, he has his own thing going on,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: all his girls friends, and you know, he's still a
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: ladies man. And you know, I sit and tease him
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: or give him advice about what to do or what
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: not to do. But I love him always. He is
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: always good. He's my family to me. I always got
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: to back. You always got my back, and you know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: we just have a we have a great coparents relationship.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: He gets on my nurse time. I cuss him out
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: every once in a while. I haven't been cussing, I'm
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: just cussing. I was like, you know what, I'm not
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: gonna deal with this right now. You're coming back and
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: you get yourself together. So but we have still have.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: We have a great relationship period. You we just do.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: When you're out and about, Like, are you trying to
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: meet new guys?
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm gonna be so I'm gonna so you
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: want me to be totally honest with you, Okay, So
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: I have the past. For the past few months, I
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: have been dating a girl I was. We're not we
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: weren't in a we're not in a relationship, but we
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: were dating.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: That makes any sense, dating virtually or no, just dating
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: like you know, dating.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: But I've been so it's not that I'm not.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: You will come to see you at the house.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: She came before, Yeah, a couple of times. I mean
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: whatever saying did you meet her? I knew her prior
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: to me going to prison. How I met her like
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: within like the realm of some things, like people.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: We knew mutual people, No, damn sliding, but like in
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: person once.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: And then DM and and then.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: You know, Okay, is she a stud?
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you would you consider her that?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Okay lipsick, No, No, she's she's like me with a wig,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: even though you're gorgeous.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: But we're really good friends and we're for She's really
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: one of my really good friends. And I don't know
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: if that's the lane I'm going to go in because
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: I'm like kind of like, now, I'm like, do I
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: want to date guys? I want to Dating a girl
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: is a lot?
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Is she the first girl you dated?
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: No, she's the first girl, but I dated dated? Yeah
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: for real?
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Really did you date any of the girls in prison?
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Of course I did, did just one or two.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Don't be asking any questions that you want the truth
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: to the.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I always want the truth. This is reality, reality, just
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: a couple.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, no big deal. It was it was fine.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: It was fine with y'all.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: It's this own little world in there.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Would y'all be intimate in the in the cells, we
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: didn't have sales.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: We were like in like cube cubicles. We Ours wasn't
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: like cells like certain prisons have sales. Ours was like
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: open bay, like like like college type like rooms.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where the door is open.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: There was no doors.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: There were no doors. Y'all can see each other's rooms.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: So y'all would put the sheets over your head.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: They put they what we used to what they call them, uh,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: they put the sheets up, but they called it what
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: did they call it? Tents? They would call them tents.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: They would up, that's what they call it, tints.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: And that's when you knew somebody was getting busy.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Well, you don't know if that's what's happening or if
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: they just watching the movie because they don't want you
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: because of the light. It just you never know. You
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: never know. You in prison, I did, yeah once or twice.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: You know, did y'all have vibrators in prison? No?
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: I wish would be it would have been a read commissary. No,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: you pick that up. But they make like they make
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: like dildos what I don't know. They have like a
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: factory that's within the prison where they can make stuff
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: out of stuff. I wasn't drawing out when I wasn't
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: doing that one, but the people did.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: So the booze you had in prison, are they still there?
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: No, they're gonna They're gone.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Keep in touch. No, okay.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: It's sort of like when you go out of town,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: out of town, you know you for this time. Okay,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: so you were dating as a girl post prison release,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: but now you.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Know we're friends and we're still like it's dating a
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: woman is toxic. Okay, But I'm at a point now
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: where why is it toxic. It just is just a lot,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: and I ask emotions. Yeah, it's just a lot. And
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: so but now I'm open to dating, and like, if
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be a relationship with her, then I'm
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: gonna date multiple people because that's what you're supposed to do,
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: and so you find who you want to be with
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: right when you're dating people. When you're dating, you should
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: be dating multiple people to figure out which one you
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: actually want to be with. Yeah, so now I'm dating.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: So I haven't come to the conclusion of how I'm
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: going to do this, but I'm open to dating.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: You know, are you open to dating more women?
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: I'm open to dating in general. It doesn't mean I
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: have come to terms that I've always been bisexual. But
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: I was scared to say that out loud, even though
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: I have been playing and dabbling all the time. But
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: I never said that out loud. But it's not like
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: I woke up today and I'm like, oh, I hate men,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: so I'm gonna date women. I've always you know, talk
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: to women from time.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Zone Porsche came out.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I saw that. I saw that would
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: uh when I date Porsche. She's my cousin. Her Na's
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Porsche Williams right, I don't know. I should always say
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Porsha Porsia is really Porsche's fine, though, So I don't
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: know if I would not not date her, I don't
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: mean probably.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: It's the girl that you are still friends when you're
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: talking to. Is she in the industry.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: She's not in the industry?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, So it's not Tie Young.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: No, it's not.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Old time.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: I'd be like, this is so messy. No, it's not time.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: No, it's not time.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: It's not Tie. It's not Tie. You have my older girls,
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: though I have all the girls. I don't know what's
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: I doing.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: My brother junk because I love Tie and I'm always
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and I want to interview Tie and Tie.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I reached talked to her team when.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Basketball Vise was on to do an interview, and she
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: said she would do it, but things happened, And my
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: joke was, Tie is so fine that I would wear
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Chasity Bell.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Like Tie. I have never been with a woman.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: But you would try my hall past gorgeouses.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Somebody's the body's Megan So but you know Ties number two.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Let me find out.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Let me find out.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I like a couple of dudes like Tie. But I
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: on the conversation Paul the other day. Okay, we'll talk
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: about that later. But back to you.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: So, is there any I mean, you're out right now,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: you're free. Are there any men's that pick your interest?
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I mean mm hmm, famous, yeah, oh, Blue Checks, more.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Than one, oh sports one, Rappers one?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Is it future or.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: No? No, why would you put that one out there?
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll projected projects?
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: No?
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Uh uh I no.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Rapper. I mean I'm just saying maybe maybe
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: it could be reality star.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: No.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, I just I'm open to dating.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Period.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm open to a point where I'm like, if
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: it makes sense for me on the alignment that I will,
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: then I'm going to be like, Okay, maybe I'm going
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: to date with him. You know, because I was at
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: a point where at first, when the bark went person like,
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to dab with nobody. I don't want
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: to think they're entitled to talk to me. I want
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: toboy think they gotta deal with me. I just didn't
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: want that to be a thing. And then, you know,
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, but I'm kind of I'm open to dating. Well,
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: we'll see where it goes.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Listen, I think you should date around and see what
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I see what you like because.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: It's time for me to get married. I'm getting old.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: I'm old.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: You're not old.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I just turned thirty six.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Girl.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: You are first of all. Age ain't nothing but the
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: numbers you your spirit gifts. Twenties.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: But I need to But it's time for me to
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: get married and have a child, even if it's with
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: a girl or a guy. Whatever. Way, one more baby, okay?
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: And so that's mama, I do I want a boy?
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: You want to use lorenzo sperm?
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: And just no. I think that I can move forward
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: and have a child with someone that makes sense for
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: me to want to be with. Even though Lorenzo is
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: a great father, you know for sure. Jeans gray jeans, Yeah,
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: because my daughter's gorgeous and he has his other kids
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: are gorgeous too. But no, okay, I'm cool, Okay, okay,
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: all right, So.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Look, so what now that you're out, what is next
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: for British Williams? Like, what is it that you want
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: to conquer and do? Base on your experience.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: So we're working on my talk show right now, Conned
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: being British, and it's going to be a show where
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: my hope is to be like you know, Oprah in
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: a way that I can do it because you know,
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: we have the Jennifer Hudson and we have Sherry Shepherd,
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: and we have a Hall, but all of those women
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: are they're categorizing more so women in an older age bracket.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: So it's like I want to open up that age
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: record for between the women of twenty five to forty
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: five or twenty five to fifty to have those same
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: things that bring those guests on that we would want
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: to talk to and have. And then I have the
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: Saxe Space, which is my podcast, and I'm going to
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: do also too. I've been getting questions about it if
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go back to reality television, and of
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: course I'm going to. I just don't know what platform.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: If I want to go back to Basketball wives, if
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: I want to do something else. I want to do
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: something though, because I feel like I need to give
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: that side up to my fans, of give them that
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: raw feedback of what happened within me to see those
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: things and to be able to see me being British
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: as a mother, being British as an artist, being British
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: as a talk show Holls, being British as whatever it
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: is being able to see that side of me for sure?
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Were you able to see Basketball Wives?
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: I watched it while I was in prison, and when
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: we tell you what was the craziest thing. I had
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: never had to see myself in prison until one night.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: It was like on at like twelve o'clock at night,
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: and like one of my friends was like, British. They
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: were like, you're on TV. I was like what. They
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: were like, yeah, that's what. We watched the reunion and
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god. I didn't even get up
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: to going there. I was like, I'm not doing it,
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Like that was just too weird, you know. And they're like,
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: oh my god, you look see She's like you you
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: was bigger out here. You were something. She's like, oh
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: you was talking shit like it's funny. So but we
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: would watch it on Mondays like I would host it,
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: which is funny, Like that was my thing. I that's right.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: We would watch it that. I watched the girls have
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: with Tie and Me and all them on there. I
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: was like, okay, girls, like they was. You know, Jackie,
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: I've had Jackie block for at least three years now,
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: why are you block?
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Jacket? Christie.
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: Now she's lied on me, which lie was exactly I
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: point to you exactly, she lied on me, tried to record,
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: tried to record.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Me, just like she just is. Just grow up, grow
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: up Jackie, Christie for real, how.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Did you feel about what was going on between her
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and her daughter's chantelle?
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Not surprised, unfaced, that makes sense. She just that's a
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: firm person that needs to take countability for their actions
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: because everybody else is fought for hers. This is just
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: how she's always been.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I would like British wombs to go back on basketball wives.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: If you're listening. Okay, thank you so much.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: But look, I will say this all drugs aside. I
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: am so proud of your growth. I mean this when
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I say this. I was probably one of the last
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: people you interviewed with before you went to prison, and
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: to talk to you post release, two different women is
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: two different women.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: And I appreciate the fact that you allow.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Yourself to go through the motions to gain accountability when
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: you were ready to do it, to upgrade your spirituality
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: to where it isn't just like you said, the sort
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: of like dip your toe in and out, because there's
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: so many people who be like God this and God that,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: and I'd be like, how do you believe in God?
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: But I know for a fact you messy in a
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: sense of like you don't practice what you preach.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: You don't let them fight your battles. You want to
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: fight everything else.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: You do things behind the scene that doesn't that doesn't
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: make sense to what you're preaching to the public on
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: social media. So I love the fact that you're so
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: honest about it. What advice do you have for black girls,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: whether it's teenage girls, grown women who were doing some
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: of the things, who are doing some of the things
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: that you were doing, and.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: They just think this is the part of life.
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: Well, one thing that I have created since I've been
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: out of prison is called my foundation, is called the
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: Brilliance Foundation, And the Brilliance Foundation is what's set to
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: be able to not only do prison reform things where
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: we go in and we help the things that I've
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: saw within the prisons that need to be fixed, because
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: one thing that I saw was the health care for
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: women in prison. Health Care for women in prison is
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: a very very difficult thing because you have women in
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: that are pregnant, you have women in that to have cancer,
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: you have women in there that are sick or have
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: things going on with them, and the process for being
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: able to get in with a doctor or a specialist
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: is like crazy, doesn't even make any sense. And that
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: was something that I noticed, even with feminine care in prison,
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: I noticed that, so I started up. I started the
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: Safe Space feminine Care, which is something where we have
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: bore asset, we have we have more gasses oppositories, we
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: have phone washing. My hope is to get some kind
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: of bill passed that they require certain vitamins, certain things
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: on commisary for women in being state or federal prison
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: where it allows them to be able to have those
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: knees met when it's something to come to their vaginal care.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: So I want people to remember that when they go
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: to prison that you don't really have any control over
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: the things that are going on with your body. Period.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Like you literally are an entity that belongs to the government.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: You don't go by your name. You go by a number.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: What's my six, say five one nine, five on nine, Yeah,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: that's my number. That's my number. It's like forever embedded
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: in my head.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: They call you by your number, you're.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Called my last name. We me tell you a story.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: That was funny. When my daughter kind of visit me,
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: they called me Williams. They're like William Williams. My daughter
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: looked at that man, she said, her name is British,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: her name is not Williams. And she didn't understand it
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: because she's like why, she said, why does he keep
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: calling you Williams. That's not your name. I was like,
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: but they go by last names. There were military time there,
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: so you go buy your last names instead of your
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: first names, and then you have so many Williams, like
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: Williams five or nine and Williams six a five or
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: whatever it is. So my recommendation to women that have
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: or has been through the same thing that I've been through,
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: or doing the same things that I was doing, it's
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: the stop because nothing, no amount of money, no amount
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: of success, no amount of love, no amount of any
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: of those things are worth the time that you have
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: to give back to the to eat, into the government,
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: to the state, whatever it may be. Because when you're
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: sitting in it's sitting in the cellar, you're sitting in
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: that room and you can't leave, and it's Christmas. I
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: cried so hard on Christmas last year because I wasn't
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: there with my daughter. I something I don't know if
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: I'm ever gonna and it's hard for me to say.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: I you just say, I never regret anything, but I
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: regret the things that I did because those weren't mistakes.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: Mistakes are something that you do once or twice, and
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: then it once, then twice, after two or three times,
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: it becomes a pattern. It becomes a part of who
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: you are that it comes up something that you're doing purposefully.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: So to stop that cycle, you have to just tell
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: yourself that the things that you're doing are wrong. Not
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: because I think as a as an individual. I used
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: to go to be like, oh, I'm doing to survive.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: I gotta do it for this, or I gotta do it
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: for that, I gotta do it for this. But in reality,
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: I did all of that and my daughter didn't have
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: me for nineteen months. I couldn't go to her school functions.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: I couldn't be there for Mother's Day, I couldn't be
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: there for her birthday parties. You know, I was parenting
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: over a phone on a video visit once a week,
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: and it just wasn't None of it was worth it.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: Not a bag, not a shoe, not a car. None
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: of it was worth it. And I just recommend that
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: you know, you look at what's really important to you,
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, what I also
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: realized would be in prison. Of people that I thought
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: was my friend or people that thought that would be
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: there for me were not there for me. But most
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: of them were Brooke, Bailey, Brandy, all of them sent
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: money all the time, email me all the time. My
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: best friend Raquel always is my ride to dive, you know,
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: my friend Tisha bringing my daughter to see me, even
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Lorenzo bringing my daughter to see me. My manager at
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Lesion was there. All the people that most of the
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: people that I thought would be there were there. It
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: was a couple of people that were like, oh really,
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: like that's what you own, you know, And now they
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: just don't get to go on the journey with me,
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: which I'm not upset about it. I'm not mad about it.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: And I you know, if I see them that I speak,
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: how you doing, But like, you just can't be in
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: that circle of that space with me now because who
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: I am now you deserve that last version of me.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: You don't deserve this version of me. So I just
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: I suggest that women learn that people that are going
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: through what I've going through or doing the things that
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: I did, learn to just understand that the things that
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: they're doing nothing is more important than your time. It's
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: just not. And you know, some people might not get caught,
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: and some people get caught, but either way you're gonna
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: when you really work hard for the money that you need,
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: you value it differently. The way you spend it is differently.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: The way that you cherish it is differently. And you know,
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: for me, I was doing legal stuff and doing legal
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: stuff and doing legal stuff for what like it's we
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: think that I think. I used to think, oh, if
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: I go give out, if I go give out turkeys
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: for Thanksgiving, I'm doing good a good deed. Or if
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: I go buy clothes for the shelter for the girls,
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: I'm doing a good deed. But in reality, like I
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be doing that anyway, Like it's not I'm doing
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: it for show or doing it because I'm trying to
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: like off base what I did wrong to feel like
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: I'm doing something right. Just do it right the first time.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: It's just so much easier now. Listen.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: That's the best advice, because you know, listen in our community. Again,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I go back to our first interview, and you're admitting
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: to doing things you thought everybody did. And I believe
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: in education, not education meaning the universities in school, which
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: is import in two, but the education that our community
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: needs in terms of like just because your grandmama put
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: your cousin turned like, that's not legal, but when you
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: grow up in this environment, you think like I thought
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: that was legal, or your five year old, you know child,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: you put the cable building their name, Like there're just
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: certain things that you know, we laugh at as a
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: community that we just think is normal, but it's not
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: normal in the eyes of a government. And that's why
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: your story to me is so powerful because you're not
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: alone in this, but the fact that you allowed yourself
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: to do the time, you grew so much in those
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: nineteen months that now this platform and everything you're going
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: to do because I believe in you so much, and
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I know for a fact that a lot of people
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: lives are being changed listening to your story, and there's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: just so much more room for you to change lives.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: So I'm proud of you.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: I thank you so much, Carlos, and I really hope
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: that people take the things that I've been through, and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: they take the mistakes that I've made or the lessons
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: that I've learned, they turn they they turned that into
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: something where they don't have to do it. I remember
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: when I was younger, one of my friends used to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: always tell me that you know what you you smart?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: You smart. Smart people learn from smart people learn from
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: their own mistakes. Wise people learn from other people's mistakes.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: So I hope that the people that are watching can
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: be more wise than they are smart, Like, for sure,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: because I was a smart as it's not a wise person.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: Now I'm stepping into that. But oh maybe I should
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: do that. If you say it's hot, I believe I'm.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Not gonna putch it, you know, go have at it.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So I think that's that's the most important thing,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: is really being able to understand that and being able
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: to know that sometimes life is going to give us
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: things and we're going to get there, going to test
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: us to see if we're going to if we're still
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: in that space to do something wrong or we're still
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  Speaker 4: face to do something illegal. We're sill in that space
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  Speaker 4: where we know that something's wrong, but we do it anyway,
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  Speaker 4: And that's just not the best thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: I'm proud of you, British William y'all follows So Proud
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  Speaker 1: Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with
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