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- 0:08Speaker 1: Fall systems, go clear the lift?
- 0:40Speaker 2: What is going on ship at Nation YouTube station? I
- 0:44Speaker 2: got my guy hand with me and we're not talking baseball.
- 0:47Speaker 2: We're talking NFL. It's Christmas morning here. It's NFL Opening Sunday.
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- 0:56Speaker 2: a comment down below with some of your favorite captains,
- 0:59Speaker 2: some of your favorite play tonight.
- 1:00Speaker 1: How do you think the game is gonna play out there?
- 1:02Speaker 2: We do take a look at those and potentially see
- 1:06Speaker 2: those for future giveaways in the near future.
- 1:09Speaker 1: Him, I'll bring you in man, Happy Sunday? Brother?
- 1:11Speaker 2: What's going on? Looking forward to breaking down this massive,
- 1:16Speaker 2: massive divisional rivalry here between the Bills in the Baltimore
- 1:20Speaker 2: Ravens in Buffalo fifteen and a half?
- 1:23Speaker 1: Is the total should be a good one here? Man,
- 1:25Speaker 1: how you doing?
- 1:26Speaker 3: Yeah? Doing well?
- 1:27Speaker 4: But before the haters say anything, it's a conference rivalry,
- 1:29Speaker 4: not a division rivalry. So the haters in the chat
- 1:32Speaker 4: don't say anything. But man, it's nice. It's a opening weekend.
- 1:37Speaker 1: We love that.
- 1:37Speaker 4: We love the main slate. Hopefully we make some cheese
- 1:41Speaker 4: there and then yeah, this game. I mean, you couldn't
- 1:42Speaker 4: ask for a much better game than this rematch of
- 1:46Speaker 4: the playoff game last year. I think that was to
- 1:49Speaker 4: go to the AFC Championship back in Buffalo. We know
- 1:54Speaker 4: the Ravens they're gonna be They're gonna be hungry neids,
- 1:57Speaker 4: and you know everybody thinks that as well. I said
- 2:00Speaker 4: it on the Friday Baseball Show. But this is year
- 2:03Speaker 4: three doing these showdown slights with you, so I can't
- 2:06Speaker 4: believe that we're already in year three, so looking forward
- 2:08Speaker 4: to another what seventeen or eighteen games?
- 2:10Speaker 1: Didn't do it this year? Yeah, sorry for the misspeak there.
- 2:15Speaker 2: I know a lot of the trolls always come at
- 2:17Speaker 2: me anyways in the comments, and nothing to do there.
- 2:19Speaker 1: We might as well start it.
- 2:20Speaker 2: Off right away, right with the butt counters and everything
- 2:24Speaker 2: like that.
- 2:25Speaker 1: I'm not really caring.
- 2:26Speaker 2: I don't really care too much as long as there's
- 2:28Speaker 2: money to be made and I keep winning money in
- 2:31Speaker 2: these dfifth streets. I'll leave the haters for the YouTube comments.
- 2:34Speaker 2: But hey, let's break this one down. Should be a
- 2:37Speaker 2: really good one here. I kind of have I don't
- 2:40Speaker 2: know if it's a contrarian take or what, but I
- 2:42Speaker 2: think the Ravens are gonna kind of kind of lay it.
- 2:44Speaker 1: Whooping here here on Buffalo.
- 2:46Speaker 2: I know Isaiah Likely is going to be out here
- 2:49Speaker 2: tonight for the Baltimore Ravens, So it's gonna be Mark
- 2:52Speaker 2: Andrews and Charlie Kohler manning the tight end position there
- 2:56Speaker 2: anytime Likely has missed games. Mark Andrews has seen an
- 3:00Speaker 2: uptick obviously in snapcount, target share, everything, air yards.
- 3:05Speaker 1: All of the all of the statistics there.
- 3:08Speaker 2: But pretty interesting news on the Bills side of things.
- 3:11Speaker 2: Todavius White is going to be doubtful here and Kristin
- 3:14Speaker 2: Benford is going to be out. Kristin Benford is going
- 3:18Speaker 2: to play excuse me, but Tredevius White is going to
- 3:21Speaker 2: be likely out in this game, which is pretty big
- 3:25Speaker 2: loss to their secondary there. Throw it over to you
- 3:28Speaker 2: kind of broad slate overview here before we kind of
- 3:30Speaker 2: jump in captains and then talk some flex stuff. What
- 3:33Speaker 2: do you kind of see, what's your game script? What
- 3:35Speaker 2: are you kind of looking at for this game overall?
- 3:39Speaker 4: Yeah, we have we have a I think a fifteen
- 3:41Speaker 4: and a half point total, right, I think it is
- 3:43Speaker 4: the highest of the weekend so or one of the
- 3:45Speaker 4: highest of the weekend. So there should be a back
- 3:48Speaker 4: and forth. We know Lamar what he can do. We
- 3:51Speaker 4: know Derek can bust the eighty nine yarder like you
- 3:53Speaker 4: did last year in the regular season against these Bills.
- 3:55Speaker 4: We know Josh Allen is great, So I think it's
- 3:58Speaker 4: going to be a back and forth worth game. But
- 4:01Speaker 4: there's also some new faces of new places. Your boy
- 4:04Speaker 4: JayR Alexander left Green Bay in the offseason. Now he
- 4:07Speaker 4: goes to to Baltimore to locke lock that side of the.
- 4:11Speaker 3: Wide receiver corps down. So I'm with you.
- 4:15Speaker 4: I do think the Ravens actually win this game. I
- 4:17Speaker 4: think they're highly motivated and they're a very good ball club. Uh.
- 4:21Speaker 3: But outside of Josh Allen, I mean I don't.
- 4:22Speaker 4: I don't think the Bills have a whole lot of
- 4:26Speaker 4: weapons that are I'm going to play today. Just two
- 4:29Speaker 4: things to note as well, and we'll get into it
- 4:31Speaker 4: when we get into defense and kickers.
- 4:33Speaker 3: But two new kickers for.
- 4:35Speaker 4: These teams, right, Tyler Bass on the Uh he's out tonight.
- 4:40Speaker 4: So they signed Matt Prater and then uh Justin Tucker.
- 4:43Speaker 4: Uh no telling what he's doing today. But Tyler Loop
- 4:46Speaker 4: makes his debut. I think it's his debut.
- 4:48Speaker 3: But Justin Tuk, a long time Ravens kicker, He's gone.
- 4:51Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely great breakdown there.
- 4:53Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler Bass is on the il Matt Prater has
- 4:56Speaker 2: come in and yeah, no more Justin Tucker there. It's
- 4:59Speaker 2: gonna be Tyler Loop season for the Ravens in general.
- 5:03Speaker 2: We'll talk about the kickers when we get to the
- 5:05Speaker 2: flex position. I don't think it's a kicker captain night
- 5:08Speaker 2: personally for myself. Here when we jump over to the captain,
- 5:11Speaker 2: we look at these price points. It's pretty interesting to
- 5:13Speaker 2: see Josh Allen at sixteen to five more expensive than
- 5:16Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, but nothing too kind of bad an eye
- 5:20Speaker 2: at here. Both these quarterbacks seem pretty underpriced for what
- 5:23Speaker 2: they're upside displays in general. I know Lamar Jackson is
- 5:27Speaker 2: about fifteen hundred to two thousand dollars cheaper than what
- 5:30Speaker 2: his typically price his typical price point is on these
- 5:33Speaker 2: primetime showdown standalone games in general.
- 5:36Speaker 1: So that's definitely a talking point there. I did a
- 5:39Speaker 1: dry run.
- 5:39Speaker 2: It's likely gonna be Toppy Allen, Lamar Jackson leading the
- 5:42Speaker 2: captain charged by no surprise there, so pretty much anyone
- 5:45Speaker 2: else outside of those two you're gonna get some leverage
- 5:49Speaker 2: over the top. I think guys like Derrick Henry is
- 5:51Speaker 2: gonna be the next one that gets played the most overall,
- 5:55Speaker 2: and then anybody else besides Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry,
- 5:59Speaker 2: it's gonna be kind of a wasteland in terms of
- 6:01Speaker 2: ownership from the captain position. So you should be able
- 6:03Speaker 2: to get pretty good leverage on guys like James Cook,
- 6:06Speaker 2: Zay Flowers, Tupac Shakir, Mark Andrews. Those are some of
- 6:09Speaker 2: the guys that I'm looking at there in the captain position.
- 6:12Speaker 2: But break it down, what do you see from the
- 6:14Speaker 2: captain position overall? If you're gonna play Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
- 6:17Speaker 2: how are you gonna play him differently?
- 6:19Speaker 1: Are you gonna do any sort of If.
- 6:21Speaker 2: Josh Allen captain, you need this X number of wide
- 6:25Speaker 2: receiver tight end in the flax things like that.
- 6:27Speaker 1: Talk about the captain position overall.
- 6:29Speaker 4: Yeah, captain I think is gonna be led by by
- 6:32Speaker 4: the quarterbacks. Right in these two quarterbacks, uh, you know,
- 6:36Speaker 4: one and two in the MVP voting, and they're unique
- 6:39Speaker 4: in the sense that they can be the optimal captain
- 6:43Speaker 4: and not really have any skill position guys bring them
- 6:45Speaker 4: along a they do a lot of running around the
- 6:48Speaker 4: goal line running in general, so they do that. They
- 6:51Speaker 4: also spread it around to numerous targets. Uh, so you
- 6:54Speaker 4: may you may see that again tonight. So if you
- 6:57Speaker 4: wanted to get different and do say maybe a quarterback
- 7:00Speaker 4: captain and one skill guy or even no skill guys
- 7:05Speaker 4: and maybe you know their kicker or something like that,
- 7:07Speaker 4: I think that's viable with these two guys, and then
- 7:11Speaker 4: and then some more captains. I think Derek Henry's gonna
- 7:13Speaker 4: go overlooked, and I get it right, Like he's got
- 7:17Speaker 4: Lamar to to deal with, you know, to take away
- 7:21Speaker 4: you know what call fifty to seventy rushing yards and
- 7:24Speaker 4: some goal line carries. But the big dog can certainly
- 7:26Speaker 4: eat against this Bills team, so I think he'll go.
- 7:30Speaker 3: A little less under owned.
- 7:32Speaker 4: And then outside of that, it's gonna be tough for
- 7:35Speaker 4: me to find anybody else that I like a captain.
- 7:38Speaker 3: I mean, these Bills running backs.
- 7:39Speaker 4: I know they just signed James Cook to a big contract,
- 7:42Speaker 4: but they're not afraid to throw in Ray Davis or
- 7:45Speaker 4: Johnson to get carries. So to me, it's Allen it's Jackson.
- 7:50Speaker 4: It's the big dog, like a distant third for me,
- 7:52Speaker 4: and then I'm with you like no captain, kicker, captain defense,
- 7:55Speaker 4: anything crazy like that. So I'm really focusing on those
- 7:58Speaker 4: top three guys, and I think they're gonna be focused
- 8:00Speaker 4: on by everybody as well.
- 8:02Speaker 2: Yeah, no, definitely there For me overall, I'm gonna be underway.
- 8:07Speaker 2: I'm not gonna play any Derrick Henry up top. I'm
- 8:10Speaker 2: just gonna take a leverage approach there. I'm going pretty
- 8:14Speaker 2: much all in on Lamar Jackson. I think Lamar is
- 8:16Speaker 2: gonna take a big step this year. He's a fantasy
- 8:20Speaker 2: uh I always always has a ton of fantasy goodness
- 8:23Speaker 2: in him.
- 8:23Speaker 1: So for me, I'm picking one of the two. I'm
- 8:26Speaker 1: going Lamar Lamar.
- 8:27Speaker 2: Jackson over Dereck Henry here, so I'm probably not gonna
- 8:30Speaker 2: play any Dereck Henry tonight in the captain position.
- 8:33Speaker 1: There, I'll talk about James Cook.
- 8:35Speaker 2: I know you obviously I'm in on on Josh Allen
- 8:38Speaker 2: and Lamar Jackson. I put Lamar over Josh Allen, which
- 8:40Speaker 2: is no surprise there. It's gonna be probably the more
- 8:42Speaker 2: popular take, but that's okay because I I'll have more
- 8:47Speaker 2: ownership to be able to go to Lamar when I'm
- 8:49Speaker 2: not playing Henry up there. I think James Cook is
- 8:51Speaker 2: kind of interesting up in the captain position for a
- 8:53Speaker 2: couple of different reasons. Number one, it's gonna be direct
- 8:56Speaker 2: the leverage off of Josh Allen captain. Right, maybe it's
- 8:59Speaker 2: James Cook that scored outside of the ten yard line.
- 9:02Speaker 2: I mean you're kind of looking at You're kind of
- 9:04Speaker 2: looking at James Cook to score outside of the red zone, right,
- 9:07Speaker 2: because they bringing the Ray Davis and the Ty Johnson's
- 9:12Speaker 2: and all of that crap still on the Buffalo side.
- 9:15Speaker 1: But James Cook, super explosive, has shown a ceiling.
- 9:18Speaker 2: He's got a nice price point at thirteen to eight,
- 9:20Speaker 2: and it leverages Josh Allen, like I said, and also
- 9:23Speaker 2: Derrick Henry. Right, if James Cook is getting going on
- 9:25Speaker 2: the ground and doing his thing, which can definitely happen.
- 9:28Speaker 2: We just saw it right with Javonte Williams direct pivot
- 9:32Speaker 2: off of the quarterbacks in that game.
- 9:34Speaker 1: I think James Cook is very similar to there.
- 9:36Speaker 2: Direct pivot off of Josh Allen, direct pivot off of
- 9:38Speaker 2: Derrick Henry, who all are going to be much higher
- 9:41Speaker 2: owned there, because again it flips the game script in general.
- 9:44Speaker 2: If James Cook is doing his thing, it's likely that
- 9:47Speaker 2: Derrek Henry is not going to be super involved there,
- 9:49Speaker 2: and we might see some work from the Justice Hill right.
- 9:56Speaker 2: Pass catching back there for the Ravens and more on
- 10:00Speaker 2: the pass catching is kind of how I'm looking at
- 10:02Speaker 2: it there. So in James Kick, I think he's good
- 10:04Speaker 2: leverage play at the captain position overall, I think that's
- 10:07Speaker 2: pretty nice. And then Zay Flowers, I'm in on this
- 10:09Speaker 2: Baltimore passing game. If I'm under on Derek Henry, I'm
- 10:12Speaker 2: gonna be over on the passing attack from the Baltimore Ravens.
- 10:15Speaker 1: So I like Zay Flowers and Mark Andrews.
- 10:17Speaker 2: So for me, it's Josh Allen Lamar, James Cook, Flowers
- 10:21Speaker 2: and Andrews are kind of the main captains that I'm
- 10:23Speaker 2: looking at over there. I think you could play Shaki
- 10:26Speaker 2: in general, but I really want to focus on Alen
- 10:29Speaker 2: and Cook from the from the Bills, Lamar, Zave Flowers
- 10:32Speaker 2: in Mark Andrews from the raven side.
- 10:34Speaker 1: Any additional takes from the captain position from you.
- 10:38Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so.
- 10:41Speaker 4: One thing I'll note though real quick is and I
- 10:44Speaker 4: know this is a completely different season, but last year,
- 10:46Speaker 4: you know, game one of the season, it was Isaiah
- 10:48Speaker 4: Likely who had like one hundred and fifty yards and
- 10:51Speaker 4: a bunch of catches. And obviously he's out, so it's
- 10:53Speaker 4: not gonna be him. But I do think that the
- 10:55Speaker 4: Ravens could get somebody like a like a random receiver
- 10:59Speaker 4: Zay Flowers you alluded to. It's always tough to play
- 11:04Speaker 4: the you know, to play their receivers. But you know,
- 11:07Speaker 4: with Trey White missing, like, does a Rashad Bateman do
- 11:10Speaker 4: something you know he could do, like four catches, one
- 11:13Speaker 4: hundred and forty yards and two touchdowns something crazy like
- 11:16Speaker 4: that going up against JaMarcus Ingram, who's the backup for
- 11:19Speaker 4: Trey White. So I think if you're playing a large
- 11:21Speaker 4: field something like that, you may want to get crazy.
- 11:23Speaker 4: But for me, like I said, it's mainly the big
- 11:25Speaker 4: boys up top.
- 11:26Speaker 1: Yeah, no, excellent breakdown there.
- 11:28Speaker 2: When we jump over to the flex, a lot of
- 11:30Speaker 2: the same kind of stuff is going to apply here.
- 11:33Speaker 1: In general.
- 11:34Speaker 2: Again, quarterbacks underpriced for what their roles, and they're upside
- 11:38Speaker 2: and everything.
- 11:39Speaker 1: I mean seeing them at ten eight and eleven k
- 11:41Speaker 1: it's a little absurd.
- 11:42Speaker 2: DraftKings likes to do the old soft pricing in Week
- 11:46Speaker 2: one right, to make everyone feel like they're building all
- 11:48Speaker 2: star teams. Right, everything looks good on paper, and then
- 11:51Speaker 2: they're like, oh, I can play this, I can play that.
- 11:53Speaker 1: Next thing.
- 11:53Speaker 2: You know, they're depositing more and DraftKings is making more
- 11:56Speaker 2: and more money.
- 11:58Speaker 1: So obviously, good good move on Draftki.
- 12:00Speaker 2: But from a DFS perspective, here, quarterbacks pretty cheap in general.
- 12:05Speaker 2: Then you got the running backs obviously, and then it
- 12:08Speaker 2: drops off a cliff.
- 12:09Speaker 1: I mean these wide receiver ones.
- 12:11Speaker 2: You got Zave Flowers at eighty two hundred, Shaki at
- 12:13Speaker 2: seventy six hundred. I mean we're used to seeing like
- 12:17Speaker 2: like I said, right, the CD Lambs and that of
- 12:20Speaker 2: the Thursday Night game. I mean they were ten eight
- 12:23Speaker 2: eleven k themselves. For that, you're dropping way off the
- 12:27Speaker 2: cliff for the wide receiver ones in both of these
- 12:30Speaker 2: respective offenses. And then you got obviously andrews keyon Coleman
- 12:33Speaker 2: Bateman down at fifty eight hundred.
- 12:35Speaker 1: Talk about this flex position.
- 12:37Speaker 3: What are you?
- 12:37Speaker 2: What are you looking at here? Anything stand out to
- 12:39Speaker 2: you overall? From a roster construction standpoint, or overweight underweight
- 12:44Speaker 2: type type approach. I know we don't have ownership in
- 12:47Speaker 2: here yet recording this Sunday morning overall, but we should
- 12:50Speaker 2: have a pretty good idea of what the ownership's going
- 12:52Speaker 2: to shake out just based on these price points alone.
- 12:56Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you said you know your boy Tupac
- 12:58Speaker 4: because it should should have a night, nice night, right.
- 13:01Speaker 4: He's kind of the de facto go to guy, right
- 13:03Speaker 4: working out of the slot to do a lot of
- 13:04Speaker 4: slip screens to him ninety four catches last year. I
- 13:07Speaker 4: think he's josh Allen's main target, but I talked about
- 13:10Speaker 4: it earlier. Mean, there's just so many options to choose
- 13:12Speaker 4: from him, Keon Coleman specimen, but he didn't really show
- 13:15Speaker 4: up last year. Interested here your take on Keon Coleman.
- 13:18Speaker 4: I'll probably be under but once again, I'll put him
- 13:20Speaker 4: in that Rashad Bateman category where he.
- 13:23Speaker 3: Could just go off.
- 13:24Speaker 4: I mean, he has the skills, he just hasn't done
- 13:27Speaker 4: it yet now his sophomore season. I guess kind of
- 13:31Speaker 4: one name that I'll mention as well for the Bills
- 13:34Speaker 4: is Joshua Palmer Canadian. So you know Tambo is gonna
- 13:37Speaker 4: like captain and every team he has Joshua Palmer coming
- 13:41Speaker 4: over from the Chargers. And maybe it's a Hard Knocks bias,
- 13:44Speaker 4: but I feel like I feel like Allen was throwing
- 13:46Speaker 4: to him a bunch in Hard Knocks.
- 13:48Speaker 3: He's proven from.
- 13:50Speaker 4: San Diego or La whatever you want to call him.
- 13:52Speaker 4: Now he kind of gets his elevated to a starters
- 13:55Speaker 4: role here in Buffalo. I wouldn't be surprised if he
- 13:58Speaker 4: comes out and has a good first game.
- 14:00Speaker 1: Only fifty four hundred.
- 14:01Speaker 4: I like that price, you know, with with no with
- 14:06Speaker 4: No basically tied end to UH Mark Mark Andrews started
- 14:10Speaker 4: the season slow, but should UH should be elevated now
- 14:14Speaker 4: with No likely. So I like Andrews, and then I
- 14:17Speaker 4: like Bateman a little bit too. Nid's just because that
- 14:20Speaker 4: that uh CB two, that cornerback two is out UH.
- 14:25Speaker 3: So I don't. I don't hate Bateman either. At only
- 14:27Speaker 3: fifty eight hundred.
- 14:28Speaker 2: Yeah, No, excellent breakdown there, A couple of things else
- 14:32Speaker 2: I'll add there.
- 14:33Speaker 1: Keon Coleman.
- 14:34Speaker 2: The reason I'm going to be interested in Keon Coleman
- 14:37Speaker 2: is if you look at his price point, he sandwiched
- 14:39Speaker 2: between guys like Shakir Andrews, Bateman, and Kincaid, who I
- 14:43Speaker 2: think all command more ownership. There you see his projection
- 14:47Speaker 2: right around in the low nines right, which is lower
- 14:49Speaker 2: than Bateman, lower than Kincaid for more expensive price, and
- 14:53Speaker 2: quite a bit lower than guys like Mark Andrews and
- 14:56Speaker 2: Shakir there. I'm not too worried about projections in a
- 14:59Speaker 2: one game stamp.
- 15:00Speaker 1: All right, we're just playing tonight. We're playing tonight, right.
- 15:03Speaker 2: We just saw guys like Johan dottson outscorer, DeVante Smith
- 15:07Speaker 2: and aj Brown Thursday Night Open opening game. In general, right,
- 15:11Speaker 2: all it takes is one one catch.
- 15:13Speaker 1: You know.
- 15:13Speaker 2: Keon Coleman's a big red zone threat in general, right,
- 15:17Speaker 2: kind of a touchdown or bus guy overall. But at
- 15:19Speaker 2: sixty six hundred, I'll take a shot on him, especially
- 15:22Speaker 2: when I think he.
- 15:22Speaker 1: Gets squeezed between the other four guys around him there.
- 15:25Speaker 2: So I am interested in Kean Coleman in the flex
- 15:28Speaker 2: is a differentiator piece overall. I like Josh Palmer quite
- 15:31Speaker 2: a bit here. His reception prop is sitting around two
- 15:35Speaker 2: and a half in general, I like the over on
- 15:38Speaker 2: two and a half.
- 15:38Speaker 4: There.
- 15:39Speaker 1: They went and got him for a reason.
- 15:40Speaker 2: I know Buffalo's wide receiver room was kind of a
- 15:42Speaker 2: mess last year in general there overall behind obviously Shakir
- 15:49Speaker 2: and then you got Kincaid there. I'm expecting Kinkaid to
- 15:52Speaker 2: kind of take another leap this year from from last year.
- 15:55Speaker 2: It was pretty letdown. It was overall a pretty big
- 15:57Speaker 2: letdown last year. So I like Kinkaid and Paul are
- 16:00Speaker 2: both at fifty four hundred and fifty six hundred there.
- 16:02Speaker 2: I think Bateman's gonna pick up more ownership than both
- 16:05Speaker 2: of those guys. In general there, I do like Bateman,
- 16:08Speaker 2: but again, Kim Kid Palmer, I think our interesting place
- 16:11Speaker 2: is well right there.
- 16:13Speaker 1: In general.
- 16:15Speaker 2: In on Mark Andrews, I'm gonna be heavily exposed to
- 16:17Speaker 2: Mark Andrews. It's the spot where I'm going in on
- 16:19Speaker 2: I think Mark Andrews and the Captain is viable tonight.
- 16:22Speaker 2: I like him a ton in the flex at seven
- 16:24Speaker 2: k there. I expect him to be right there in
- 16:28Speaker 2: that Shakure range in terms of ownership where people want
- 16:31Speaker 2: to go. I think Mark Andrews is a really good
- 16:34Speaker 2: option here tonight. Let's jump down into this lower lower tier.
- 16:38Speaker 2: Kickers are going to be the talk of showdown pretty frequently, right,
- 16:43Speaker 2: Everyone said kickers were dead at halftime on Thursday night
- 16:46Speaker 2: there until they're not right.
- 16:47Speaker 1: Everybody's dead until they're not These guys can bang.
- 16:50Speaker 2: Fifty yarders in like nobody's business, regardless of who the
- 16:55Speaker 2: kicker is, pretty much. I know Collinsworth was talking about
- 16:58Speaker 2: these new footballs in general, which are anticipated to add
- 17:02Speaker 2: ten tennis yards or so on to these uh the
- 17:06Speaker 2: these the lengthies kickers can kick in general. Any take
- 17:09Speaker 2: on the kickers here? I know Praterer is not Tyler
- 17:13Speaker 2: Bass by by any means there, but Prater longtime vet,
- 17:16Speaker 2: knows how to kick it through the uprights. And then
- 17:18Speaker 2: Tyler Loop coming in for the Ravens here. He's no
- 17:22Speaker 2: Justin Tucker, but hey, Justin Tucker season last year.
- 17:25Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you.
- 17:25Speaker 2: Want Tyler Loup in there over Dustin Tucker. Breakdown this
- 17:28Speaker 2: kind of mid tier range here, what do you see overall?
- 17:31Speaker 4: Yeah, let's start with kickers. And I was surprised that
- 17:34Speaker 4: that DraftKings put Praterer at the same price as Tyler Bass.
- 17:39Speaker 4: I don't think they're the same kicker. Obviously, Praterer was
- 17:42Speaker 4: on the street, so I'm gonna be a little lower
- 17:44Speaker 4: on Prader in general.
- 17:46Speaker 3: I actually think that.
- 17:48Speaker 4: You know, if it's close, the Bills will be more
- 17:51Speaker 4: prone to go for it, like if it's like, uh,
- 17:54Speaker 4: you know, fourth and short or something and they're between
- 17:56Speaker 4: like the twenty five and forty. I don't think Praterer
- 17:59Speaker 4: has the leg and more that Bass does. And then
- 18:02Speaker 4: Tyler Loop, yeah, you know, coming in for for Tucker,
- 18:06Speaker 4: same thing. I mean, the Ravens have shown that they're
- 18:09Speaker 4: not afraid to go for it. I'm gonna be a
- 18:11Speaker 4: little lower on these kickers than maybe most I don't.
- 18:15Speaker 4: I think it's more of a touchdown game than a
- 18:18Speaker 4: fifty yard bomb game. Even Elliott hit like a fifty
- 18:22Speaker 4: yard or two on Thursday Night. And as you're just
- 18:24Speaker 4: talking about those, they can just kick fifty yarders like
- 18:26Speaker 4: with ease. Now you know DeAndre Hopkins the Corpse of
- 18:30Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins. I don't advise playing d hop I'll probably
- 18:34Speaker 4: actually ex him out of my player pool. I know
- 18:36Speaker 4: you're a big Dulson Knox fan, but yeah, no, thank
- 18:39Speaker 4: you for me. The one name that I would mention
- 18:43Speaker 4: it's going to be Justice Hill three K. I kind
- 18:45Speaker 4: of like Justice Hill, interested to hear your takes on him.
- 18:48Speaker 4: Just kind of a change of pace. Back they gave him,
- 18:51Speaker 4: They generally gave him five or so carries a game
- 18:53Speaker 4: last year, and we know he can catch it out
- 18:55Speaker 4: of the backfield at three K. I don't hate Justice
- 18:58Speaker 4: Hal and that's kind of that's kind of it.
- 19:00Speaker 3: For me down here in this this lower tier.
- 19:02Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I like I'm in on both of these
- 19:05Speaker 1: backup running backs, not all of them.
- 19:07Speaker 2: I think Justice Hill is a really good play in general,
- 19:11Speaker 2: if you expect the Buffalo to kind of be leading,
- 19:14Speaker 2: or to kind of I mean more of a back
- 19:18Speaker 2: and forth type game there in Baltimore to kind of
- 19:20Speaker 2: be trailing, I think Justice Hill is a really good
- 19:23Speaker 2: play in scripts like that. Obviously he can get there
- 19:25Speaker 2: in other game scripts, but realistically to hit his kind
- 19:27Speaker 2: of full ceiling that you want, not that he needs
- 19:30Speaker 2: it at three k there, but because again he's going
- 19:33Speaker 2: to be involved in like the two minute offense things
- 19:35Speaker 2: like that, but realistically to hit his kind of almost ceiling,
- 19:39Speaker 2: you're you're looking at Baltimore trailing game script.
- 19:42Speaker 1: In general, I think Ty Johnson is an interesting play.
- 19:45Speaker 2: I think the Baltimore side the Baltimore game are game
- 19:49Speaker 2: plan here in overall, I think Baltimore wins this game
- 19:52Speaker 2: in general, I think Buffalo's going to be trailing there.
- 19:55Speaker 1: That gives a lot of value to a guy like
- 19:57Speaker 1: TDY Johnson at twenty four hundred.
- 19:59Speaker 2: There also going to be lower owned in my opinion
- 20:02Speaker 2: then a guy like Justice Hill is because projections are
- 20:05Speaker 2: much higher on Justice Hill, almost a three point projection
- 20:08Speaker 2: higher for a guy like Justice Hill compared to TDD Johnson. Naturally,
- 20:11Speaker 2: that's going to drive a lot more ownership going to
- 20:13Speaker 2: Justice Hill. And in a game script where I think
- 20:16Speaker 2: the Ravens kind of win and handle it fairly easily
- 20:20Speaker 2: here against Buffalo, even on the road, a guy like
- 20:23Speaker 2: Todd Johnson makes my player pool as a nice value
- 20:26Speaker 2: play on the Buffalo side of things.
- 20:28Speaker 1: There, So I like that.
- 20:29Speaker 2: I mean with you, I prefer Tyler Tyler Loop over
- 20:34Speaker 2: Matt Prater. He's also cheaper. I do expect more people
- 20:36Speaker 2: to click that name as well, but both kickers make
- 20:39Speaker 2: it for me. I'm not really playing any of the
- 20:42Speaker 2: defense here. Bills at five k seem way overpriced in
- 20:45Speaker 2: general there not in on that. Not really interested in
- 20:47Speaker 2: the defenses in general. I probably won't get too much
- 20:50Speaker 2: defenses if any overall, not just because of the fifty
- 20:54Speaker 2: and a half total. You can kind of leverage that
- 20:56Speaker 2: both ways, right, do you put any stake into that?
- 21:00Speaker 2: People looking at the total fifteen and a half here
- 21:02Speaker 2: just naturally kind of xing out the defenses, which I
- 21:04Speaker 2: think is going to be the most common build. But again,
- 21:07Speaker 2: lots of points. All it takes is one kind of
- 21:09Speaker 2: pick six to the house there. But I mean at
- 21:11Speaker 2: these price points, they're kind of expensive in general. Any
- 21:14Speaker 2: take on the defenses here in such a high total.
- 21:17Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, these are two of the I mean
- 21:20Speaker 4: not only premier offenses, but also premier defenses. We got
- 21:23Speaker 4: Bosa coming over to Buffalo. I talked about Jaiyir. I
- 21:27Speaker 4: mean the thing though with Josh and Lamar obviously they
- 21:30Speaker 4: don't turn the ball over a lot, they don't take
- 21:32Speaker 4: a lot of sacks. They can get out of a
- 21:34Speaker 4: lot of sacks with their legs.
- 21:36Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm with you. I'll probably be lower on
- 21:38Speaker 3: the defenses.
- 21:40Speaker 4: But once again, if you're playing ten plus teams, I
- 21:42Speaker 4: don't think it's the worst.
- 21:44Speaker 3: I know, I talk about it all the time.
- 21:45Speaker 4: The Super Bowl, what three years ago, the Chiefs Seagals
- 21:49Speaker 4: first Super Bowl, It was like thirty to thirty, right,
- 21:52Speaker 4: thirty plus thirty plus, and you know the Chiefs defense
- 21:57Speaker 4: was on the optop because they had a scoop and score.
- 21:58Speaker 4: Jalen still put up thirty plus points on them. So
- 22:02Speaker 4: the defenses can still get there, but you would definitely
- 22:05Speaker 4: need a pick six, strip, sack something like that in
- 22:08Speaker 4: order to get there. I'm gonna be lower just because
- 22:10Speaker 4: these these quarterbacks just aren't turnover or sack prone.
- 22:14Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you there. I agree, very very I
- 22:19Speaker 1: agree overall in general with that.
- 22:21Speaker 2: There, let's talk about these values kind of obviously, Ty Johnson,
- 22:25Speaker 2: Justice Hill both fifty value train there. Ray Davis might
- 22:29Speaker 2: get played a little bit just because again, Buffalo does
- 22:31Speaker 2: weird crap with the running backs, right, They kind of
- 22:34Speaker 2: used a three running back rotation there. Even if James
- 22:36Speaker 2: Cook is crushing, they'll still put in Ray Davis there,
- 22:39Speaker 2: Ty Johnson in the goal line in the red zone
- 22:42Speaker 2: type thing. But a guy that stands out to me
- 22:45Speaker 2: here is Charlie Kohler. Obviously, Isaiah likely is not going
- 22:48Speaker 2: to play in this game. You look at what the
- 22:50Speaker 2: Ravens like to do. The Ravens run twelve personnel at
- 22:53Speaker 2: like the fifth highest rate in the NFL at least
- 22:56Speaker 2: last season there. It helps when you have Likely and
- 22:58Speaker 2: Mark Andrews, but I don't think their offense is gonna
- 23:01Speaker 2: completely change.
- 23:02Speaker 1: Just because Likely is out.
- 23:04Speaker 2: I think Charlie Kohler is gonna slide more into the
- 23:06Speaker 2: Mark Andrews role, and then Mark Andrews is obviously gonna
- 23:09Speaker 2: slide into more of the Isaiah Likely role in general.
- 23:12Speaker 2: Obviously his tight end one there. But what's your take
- 23:15Speaker 2: on Charlie Kohler. Sixteen hundred doesn't really take much. He's
- 23:18Speaker 2: gonna be lower owned than guys right around him, like
- 23:21Speaker 2: Ty Johnson, like Justice Hill.
- 23:23Speaker 1: I think he's a pretty interesting play in general.
- 23:26Speaker 2: Like I said, twelve personnel, all it takes him slip
- 23:29Speaker 2: past the blocker, throw it over or in the red zone,
- 23:31Speaker 2: hit him and the touchdown goes a long way at
- 23:34Speaker 2: sixteen hundred. But he doesn't even need to score at
- 23:36Speaker 2: that price point, depending on what it does for your roster.
- 23:38Speaker 2: When you want to play guys like Josh Allen Lamar,
- 23:41Speaker 2: Dereck Henry up at the top tier where you're gonna
- 23:43Speaker 2: have to spend a lot of salary, especially if one
- 23:44Speaker 2: of those is in the captain position.
- 23:46Speaker 1: What do you see in terms of this value Charlie
- 23:48Speaker 1: Kohler and anyone else down here.
- 23:50Speaker 4: Yeah, with Charlie Kohler, it's pretty simple for me.
- 23:52Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to his name.
- 23:53Speaker 4: I'm gonna click that little box that says X amount
- 23:56Speaker 4: of my player pool because he definitely won't be on
- 23:58Speaker 4: the winner. I get it likely he's out, but no
- 24:01Speaker 4: Charlie Cohler for me. Uh, kid just can't do it. Yeah,
- 24:05Speaker 4: you mentioned Todd dallas On earlier. Todd Johnson, he's got
- 24:09Speaker 4: he's got too many nose.
- 24:10Speaker 3: Rings and ear rings for me.
- 24:12Speaker 1: But outside of that, Hey, they used him there in Buffalo.
- 24:15Speaker 4: Uh. The one name that I will mention, he's a
- 24:18Speaker 4: dart throw It's gonna be Tyrrell Shavers. Uh caught a
- 24:22Speaker 4: bomb last year.
- 24:24Speaker 2: Uh.
- 24:25Speaker 4: And if for some reason he slides in, if they
- 24:27Speaker 4: get down, you know, Shavers could take it, take the
- 24:30Speaker 4: top off of it. But it's something like that's a
- 24:32Speaker 4: one fifty type play. But I mean it's tough to
- 24:34Speaker 4: get to this.
- 24:35Speaker 3: Uh this value down here.
- 24:38Speaker 4: We didn't touch on Keaton Mitchell any any any love
- 24:41Speaker 4: for Keaton coming off the a c L injury that
- 24:43Speaker 4: happened two years ago. So last year was kind of
- 24:46Speaker 4: his rebuilding year. If you will any anything for for
- 24:49Speaker 4: Keaton Johnson, we didn't mention him as a kind of
- 24:52Speaker 4: another backup running back for the Ravens.
- 24:55Speaker 2: Yeah, no interest in keithon Mitchell. I'm much trying to
- 24:57Speaker 2: play Charlie Caller. We differ there. I think Charlie Caller
- 24:59Speaker 2: is a pretty good play at sixteen hundred, especially in
- 25:01Speaker 2: teams like Lamar Captain Builds or something in regard to that.
- 25:06Speaker 2: I think that value in that price point goes a
- 25:08Speaker 2: long way. He's definitely gonna be involved in this offense.
- 25:10Speaker 2: They're not gonna go away from twelve personnel like I
- 25:12Speaker 2: talked about, and Charlie Coller Flitz fits right into there.
- 25:15Speaker 2: He'll be out with it. I mean he can catch
- 25:17Speaker 2: a ball or two, right. We saw Quinton Johnson, who
- 25:21Speaker 2: couldn't catch it all last year, be optimal on Thursday
- 25:24Speaker 2: or Friday night there. So I think Charlie color is
- 25:27Speaker 2: a pretty interesting play. No, No, Keith Mitchell. What I'm
- 25:29Speaker 2: gonna do is your old trick here. I'm gonna go
- 25:31Speaker 2: right next to Keith Mitchell's name and hit this little
- 25:33Speaker 2: check mark here and take his ass out of my
- 25:35Speaker 2: player pool. So that's the first thing I'm gonna do
- 25:38Speaker 2: there any additional kind of breakdown here overall, I'm not
- 25:43Speaker 2: gonna get to five ones on any side in terms
- 25:45Speaker 2: of roster construction, I don't think personally it's gonna be
- 25:47Speaker 2: more four to two, three to three, which is gonna
- 25:50Speaker 2: be the chalkier route in general. I just don't see
- 25:52Speaker 2: one side kind of kind of owning the other side here.
- 25:55Speaker 2: Both of these teams are pretty good in general. I
- 25:57Speaker 2: think they play each other fairly close here. I think
- 25:59Speaker 2: both more wins by seven to ten points or so,
- 26:02Speaker 2: which I don't really think a five one is going
- 26:04Speaker 2: to get there in general. But any additional takes in
- 26:07Speaker 2: regard to kind of roster construction three three four, two,
- 26:10Speaker 2: five to one? What are you kind of looking at here?
- 26:12Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. It's you know, it's somewhere in
- 26:14Speaker 3: the middle.
- 26:15Speaker 4: I'm not going to go crazy like a Josh Allen
- 26:17Speaker 4: captain with five Ravens or vice versus something like that.
- 26:22Speaker 3: I think it's viable just because of their legs, but
- 26:24Speaker 3: it's not something I'm going to do tonight.
- 26:25Speaker 4: I'm not playing one to fifty, so yeah, for me,
- 26:27Speaker 4: it's gonna be more three three, four to two. I
- 26:29Speaker 4: don't hate a two to four for sure, but that
- 26:32Speaker 4: would kind of be the extent of where I would go,
- 26:34Speaker 4: you know, way off from a captain perspective.
- 26:37Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I tend to agree there. End of the
- 26:40Speaker 1: show here, let's talk a little bit about FanDuel.
- 26:42Speaker 2: FanDuel finally got their head out there, you know what,
- 26:44Speaker 2: and figured out how to take a copy and paste
- 26:48Speaker 2: aspect of DraftKings showdown product and bring it over to
- 26:51Speaker 2: their is obviously adding the additional roster spot and the
- 26:54Speaker 2: one and a half multiplier on the MVP position. A
- 26:57Speaker 2: couple of differences that I see on FANDUE let's stick
- 26:59Speaker 2: out to me. Number one, key On Coleman. Coleman sixty
- 27:02Speaker 2: six hundred on DraftKings, he's only forty eight hundred on FanDuel.
- 27:05Speaker 2: I think key On Coleman, I already liked him a
- 27:07Speaker 2: decent amount of DraftKings is a differentiation piece.
- 27:10Speaker 1: I don't think he was going to get played.
- 27:12Speaker 2: Don't think that's going to be the case over on FanDuel,
- 27:13Speaker 2: where it is more of a touchdown dependent site.
- 27:15Speaker 1: We do know Keon Coleman is fairly touchdown dependent.
- 27:19Speaker 2: Forty eight hundred on him, I think is a pretty
- 27:20Speaker 2: good price point over on Fando there, so talk about him,
- 27:24Speaker 2: and then the reverse of that is a guy like
- 27:26Speaker 2: Joshua Palmer, Right, we both like Joshua Palmer on DraftKings
- 27:30Speaker 2: due to his price point being in that value tier,
- 27:33Speaker 2: but him being priced over guys like Coleman and Kincaid
- 27:36Speaker 2: on FanDuel, I think makes him a payoup for to
- 27:40Speaker 2: be contrarian kind of take on Fandue at seventy six
- 27:43Speaker 2: hundred there, break that down, any any thoughts on Fandue
- 27:46Speaker 2: in particular. I mean, you got Bateman at eighty six hundred,
- 27:49Speaker 2: Palmer seventy six hundred, key on Coleman at forty eight hundred.
- 27:51Speaker 2: Those are kind of some of the guys that stand
- 27:53Speaker 2: out to me in terms of pricing overall. But what's
- 27:56Speaker 2: your what's your kind of take on that in terms
- 27:58Speaker 2: of Fandel.
- 27:59Speaker 4: Yeah, Fandel, Well, I mean it's to me, it's like
- 28:02Speaker 4: you elevate the quarterbacks even more. You talked about the
- 28:05Speaker 4: pricing difference, right, I mean, if you get a guy
- 28:08Speaker 4: that has ten catches, I mean that's five points right
- 28:10Speaker 4: there differential. So to me, this quarterbacks with their legs.
- 28:14Speaker 4: You talked about the touchdown, So it's it's the quarterbacks
- 28:18Speaker 4: for me.
- 28:19Speaker 3: The only other.
- 28:20Speaker 4: One that's even viable would be the King, because the
- 28:23Speaker 4: King can't score three touchdowns. Keep Lamar out of there,
- 28:27Speaker 4: you know something like that. It's so touchdown dependent to me.
- 28:31Speaker 4: It's only a three man race over there, and those
- 28:33Speaker 4: three guys that I liked on DraftKings only get elevated
- 28:36Speaker 4: moving over to.
- 28:37Speaker 2: Fandle Yeah, no excellent breakdown there, and then, like I said,
- 28:40Speaker 2: Kean Coleman becomes a pretty good value in general. Josh
- 28:44Speaker 2: Palmer's kind of your differentiation piece in general, just because
- 28:47Speaker 2: he's more expensive there. And same thing with Bateman Bateman
- 28:51Speaker 2: eighty six hundred. We both liked him, especially you liked
- 28:54Speaker 2: him on Draft King eighty six hundred. I don't think
- 28:57Speaker 2: anybody's clicking that name on Fandua at that point. I
- 29:00Speaker 2: think him and Palmer are both kind of the wide
- 29:02Speaker 2: receiver differentiation pieces if you got a truck her build
- 29:06Speaker 2: in general, going to guys like that overall, But I
- 29:09Speaker 2: think we broke it down pretty good in general. Should
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