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Tales Of Ozzy, KISS, AC/DC & More with Australian Podcaster Michael Pursche [Episode 321] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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Speaker 1: Why didn't engineer Alan Parsons get rich off of Dark
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Speaker 1: Side of the Moon. Was Bruce Culock responsible for the
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Speaker 1: Kiss reunion in nineteen ninety six, which band fired members
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Speaker 1: of their crew for requesting too much chocolate on their
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Speaker 1: tour rider. And what did basist Bob Daisley have to
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Speaker 1: say about the passing of his former bandmate Ozzy Osbourne?
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Speaker 1: All those questions answered. Next, I'm booked on Rock. We're
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Speaker 1: totally bummed rock and roll.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll leave you. You're reading. Little Hands says
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Speaker 2: it's time to rock and roll.
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Speaker 1: Rock band, roll up, I totally booked. Welcome back to
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Speaker 1: Booked on Rock, the podcast for those about to read
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Speaker 1: and rock. I'm Eric Sanach. We have a first time
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Speaker 1: guest on the show, Michael Persh. He is the author
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Speaker 1: of Sitting in a Bar in Adelaide fifteen years of podcasting.
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Speaker 1: The book covers highlights from what is Australia's longest running
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Speaker 1: classic rock podcast, also called Sitting in a Bar in
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Speaker 1: Adelaide Now and It's I believe eighteenth year. Michael. Welcome.
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Speaker 1: Great to speak with a fellow podcaster.
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Speaker 2: Hello, Eric, Great great to say hello. Great to say
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Speaker 2: hello from the other side of the world.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, is it eighteen years? Do I got it right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, two thousand and seven when I started, and
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Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't think i'd last the end of
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Speaker 2: the year.
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Speaker 1: At the end of that year, and here you are.
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Speaker 1: There are so many people that you spoke to to
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Speaker 1: put this book together. Tell us about all the people
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Speaker 1: that you speak with. How did this project all come about?
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Speaker 2: It was actually difficult to trim it down, Eric, I
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Speaker 2: had so many to choose on it was hard. I
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Speaker 2: tried to get a balance between people because of course
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Speaker 2: in Australia, I guess fifty percent or more of my
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Speaker 2: interviews are local guys, which which not everyone around the
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Speaker 2: world would know. Some people will, so I tried to
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Speaker 2: have a balance of both and sort of trying and
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Speaker 2: even enough a bit. But it came about the about
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Speaker 2: the fifteenth year of the podcast, an internet page called
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Speaker 2: buzz BuzzFeed did a poll on the top classic rock
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Speaker 2: podcast in the world, and I was totally surprised that
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Speaker 2: I made the list. So I was very chuffed and
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Speaker 2: was talking to my daughter one day about it and
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Speaker 2: she said I should write a book, and I was
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Speaker 2: and I didn't realize how much work it was when
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Speaker 2: I thought that was a good idea, And so it
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Speaker 2: took me an entire year. Every waking moment that I
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Speaker 2: had to put it together. I had to go and
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Speaker 2: he to go through all my interviews that i'd done
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Speaker 2: up to that stage and try and cull them down.
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Speaker 2: So one hundred and twenty five ended up being how
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Speaker 2: many I did, and that's and that was the maximum
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Speaker 2: that I could fit into a book.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had to transcribe all of them.
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Speaker 2: Well, I found a program that would do that, and
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Speaker 2: that was okay to the point where I because we're
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Speaker 2: talking music, there's a lot of you know, names of
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Speaker 2: bands and names of tunes and albums that it didn't recognize.
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Speaker 2: And also it had trouble with my Australian accent, so
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Speaker 2: it took me forever. It was okay to it was
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Speaker 2: okay to do the initial work, but to edit it
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Speaker 2: took forever.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. AI software it's good, but it's it's not that
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Speaker 1: good to where it's going to pick up on every
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Speaker 1: single thing. You say, Well, tell us where you're from.
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Speaker 1: A You're originally from Australia, born and raised, and I'm
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Speaker 1: also curious as to what got you into classic rock
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Speaker 1: and you're a musician as well.
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Speaker 2: I'm in Adelaide, which is in the south of Australia
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Speaker 2: and it's it's only a city of about a million people,
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Speaker 2: so we're not, you know, not not the biggest, not
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Speaker 2: one of the big cities in Australia, but it's it's
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Speaker 2: a rock and roll city. It always has been. Even
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Speaker 2: back in the in the sixties, a lot of English
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Speaker 2: migrants came to Adelaide and they were all rock and
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Speaker 2: roll people. So the music industry in Adelaide. Adelaide is
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Speaker 2: always punched beyond its weight in Australia from music. As
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Speaker 2: an example, guys that you might know, Rick Springfield's band
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Speaker 2: in Australia was called the Zoot and they were from
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Speaker 2: Adelaide back in the sixties, so he was actually from Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: but the initial band came from Adelaide.
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Speaker 1: So there's oh, I didn't know that.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of connections of guys that you might know.
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Speaker 2: Bon Scott from ac DC lived here for a while
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Speaker 2: and ended up actually joining ac DC in Adelaide. They
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Speaker 2: came through Adelaide in nineteen seventy four and they were
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Speaker 2: ready to change singers and Bon Scott was their roadie,
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Speaker 2: was a local roading so he ended up getting up
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Speaker 2: on stage with them at a club after they played
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Speaker 2: their gig and the rest is history.
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Speaker 1: You're a musician yourself.
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Speaker 2: I'm a drama yeah, so people would argue that I'm
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Speaker 2: not a musician.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, but you have a love of music. When
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Speaker 1: did music get into your blood? What was the first
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Speaker 1: time you fell in love with music?
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Speaker 2: I remember, like I'm in my sixties, so you know,
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Speaker 2: it was AM radio back then. Eric, So I had
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Speaker 2: a transistor radio under my pillow in my.
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Speaker 1: Bed when I was That's awesome.
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Speaker 2: Ten years old listening to the radio, and yeah, it
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Speaker 2: just it just took over and over and over, and yeah,
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Speaker 2: I guess when I was a teenager. Most It's weird
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Speaker 2: that I think most of us in their teenage years,
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Speaker 2: the music that we liked or heard stays with us.
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Speaker 2: And that classic rock for me from the seventies and
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Speaker 2: going back has just stayed with me. And luckily there's
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Speaker 2: still plenty around. And you know, although it's said a
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Speaker 2: lot of the guys that I loved when I was
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Speaker 2: a teenager are getting to that age where they're part away.
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Speaker 2: But you know, there's still plenty of guys holding the
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Speaker 2: holding a flag, and I'll see you've got a Van
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Speaker 2: Hayden flag in the back there. You know, that's a
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Speaker 2: great example of you know, those guys took it to
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Speaker 2: another level in the eighties and beyond, and you know,
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Speaker 2: inspired a lot more bands that are still making great
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Speaker 2: music now. So it just hopefully goes on forever.
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Speaker 1: Did you have anybody that inspired your interviewing style, because
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Speaker 1: you do make people feel comfortable. You can tell when
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Speaker 1: you're talking to these artists, these musicians, it's it's like
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Speaker 1: a conversation between two friends. It's almost as if you
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Speaker 1: knew them for a long time. So more I'm curious
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Speaker 1: if you grew up listening to anybody or on television
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Speaker 1: that you you emulated.
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Speaker 2: Not really. I read a lot of music magazines. There
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Speaker 2: was there was two very popular music magazines in Australia
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Speaker 2: in the seventies called one called Duke Magazine j U
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Speaker 2: k E and one called RAM Magazine and that that
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Speaker 2: stood for Rock Australia Magazines. And they were old school
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Speaker 2: like Cream was in the in the United States, so
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Speaker 2: they were they weren't glossy publications, but they had long
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Speaker 2: form interviews with people, and I loved reading them. And
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Speaker 2: a lot of the interviews they did were with guys
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Speaker 2: from the UK or the United States that we didn't
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Speaker 2: hear on the radio. So as an example, Blue Oyster
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Speaker 2: Cult and bands like that that did not get played
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Speaker 2: here but still had interviews in those magazines that I
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Speaker 2: learned about. So I sort of I think I loved
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Speaker 2: all that back then. And yeah, there were guys on
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Speaker 2: the radio, but there was no real long form music
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Speaker 2: interview stuff around back then.
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Speaker 1: In the beginning. Was it tough getting interviews or you
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Speaker 1: made you talk about that in the book, how are You?
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Speaker 1: Kind of surprised there were some people you were able
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Speaker 1: to reach pretty quickly.
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Speaker 2: I guess the advent of the Internet made it easy.
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Speaker 2: I found, even though it was early days. I found
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Speaker 2: a couple of Australian guys that had a presence on
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Speaker 2: the Internet and I could talk to normally their publicist
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Speaker 2: or their manager and you know, this is what I do.
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Speaker 2: I'd love to say hello, and it's snowballed from there.
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Speaker 2: So the first interview I ever did was with a
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Speaker 2: guitar player called Kevin Borich. His name is and he's
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Speaker 2: not a well known guy around the world, but he
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Speaker 2: should be. He is up there with Joe Walsh and
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Speaker 2: he is one of Australia's great He's actually originally from
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Speaker 2: New Zealand, but he is one of the world's greatest
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Speaker 2: guitar players. He's played with so many guys in Australia,
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Speaker 2: and even with Joe Walks. There was a sort of
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Speaker 2: a supergroup that kicked around Australia for years called the
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Speaker 2: Party Boys, and they would be mostly Australian guys, but
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Speaker 2: they would bring guys from overseas and do a tour
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Speaker 2: around the country and play some of their tunes cover versions.
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Speaker 2: So Joe Walsh did it for a while and Eric
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Speaker 2: Burden from The Animals did it for a while. So
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Speaker 2: Kevin Borich was the main guitar player in that band.
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Speaker 2: And I remember Joe Walks saying that he was one
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Speaker 2: of the greatest guitar players that he'd ever played with,
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Speaker 2: So he was my first one and it's sort of
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Speaker 2: snowballed from there. So but I guess what I found
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Speaker 2: from speaking to people from overseas is ay they've been
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Speaker 2: to Australia and had a great time, So I can
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Speaker 2: sort of I can sort of work off that, which
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Speaker 2: is always good. And if they haven't been to Australia,
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Speaker 2: some of their musical mates have been here. And until
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Speaker 2: you've got to come to Australia, you know, we love
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Speaker 2: rock and roll, we love we look after the guys
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Speaker 2: that come and see us. So you know that that
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Speaker 2: works very well for me. But I guess the other
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Speaker 2: thing is I'm interested in their music. I'm not. I
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Speaker 2: don't care who their girlfriend is this week. I don't care,
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Speaker 2: you know, if they're whatever they did in the past,
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Speaker 2: with whatever substances are, I'm not interested. I really just
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Speaker 2: want to hear about their music. So and that seems
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Speaker 2: to put me in good stead these guys. You know,
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Speaker 2: maybe you're used to people trying to get the dirt on.
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Speaker 1: Them and I'm sure yep, and they appreciate that. They're
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Speaker 1: absolutely shit that I'm sure. Well, let's let's get into
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Speaker 1: some of the interviews that you've done. Let's start with
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Speaker 1: Alan Parsons, one of the most respected recording engineers and producers.
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Speaker 1: He also had the successful band The Alan Parsons Project.
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Speaker 1: He received a Grammy nomination for his engineering work on
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Speaker 1: Dark Side of the Moon. But what may surprised people
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Speaker 1: to know is that Alan did not get rich off
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Speaker 1: of that album.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely not. And I was again, I was just
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Speaker 2: blown away to have the opportunity to talk to Allen
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Speaker 2: and the first Alan Parsons album just blew me away
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Speaker 2: and I've been a huge fan ever since. But we
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Speaker 2: got to talking about Pink Floyd and he said he
10:38
Speaker 2: had the option of having a royalty in perpetch, you know,
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Speaker 2: for the sales of the album, and he chose to
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Speaker 2: just take a fee, which I think I can't remember
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Speaker 2: exactly what he said, but it might have been something
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Speaker 2: in the in the realm of two thousand pounds he
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Speaker 2: got paid and that was it. So yeah, he certainly
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Speaker 2: did not make a fort and we just assumed that
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Speaker 2: he did, which is unfortunately a common story in entertainment,
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Speaker 2: isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Sure, but he part laid that into a career obviously
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Speaker 1: that paid off well, but it is it is surprising
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Speaker 1: because he's the only one that got a Grammy nomination,
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Speaker 1: which is That's the other insane thing is that Dark
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Speaker 1: Side of the Moon did not win a Grammy.
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Speaker 2: It's still still in the charts now.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you spoke with Steve Howe, the legendary guitarist
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Speaker 1: of Yes.
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Speaker 2: I'm a huge Yes fan and I stumbled across a
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Speaker 2: pr agent in the UK who looked after Yes and
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Speaker 2: Asia and a lot of bands of that and just
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Speaker 2: opened this Pandora's box for me. That was just blew
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Speaker 2: me away. And Steve How I actually spoke to Steve
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Speaker 2: How about a solo album that he had coming out
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Speaker 2: and Yes, it had not been in Australia since nineteen seventy three.
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Speaker 2: They came out here when Close to the Edge came out,
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Speaker 2: and I was too young to go and see them.
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Speaker 2: I was maybe nine years old, so I didn't go
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Speaker 2: and see them, and I vaguely recall them on the radio,
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Speaker 2: but only just so. Steve during that interview dropped it
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Speaker 2: on me that yes, we're coming to Australia. So for
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Speaker 2: about the last half of the interview I could hardly speak.
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Speaker 2: I was so excited that they were coming and they
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Speaker 2: weren't coming to my part of Australia. But I packed
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Speaker 2: up and flew over to Sydney and saw them play
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Speaker 2: and that was John Anderson was not in the band
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Speaker 2: at that stage. It was the new Yes that's still
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Speaker 2: going around now. But Steve Chris Guy was still alive,
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Speaker 2: and it was twenty fourteen and sorry, twenty eleven was
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Speaker 2: the first time and they came back in twenty fourteen.
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Speaker 2: But they were fantastic. It was surreal to see them play.
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Speaker 2: Just so, you guys are so lucky in the States,
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Speaker 2: you get to see guys at that nearly every year
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Speaker 2: and we really don't. But you know, the tyranny of distance.
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Speaker 1: My friend, yeah, well they're on the Fragile tour right now.
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Speaker 1: They're playing all of Fragile and I guess he's they're
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Speaker 1: not going to be taking that tour Australia. I know
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Speaker 1: they have some dates coming.
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Speaker 2: Up I'm not that I'm aware of, but they Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they did have a great time here and they came back,
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Speaker 2: as I said, a few years later, but they haven't
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Speaker 2: been for over ten years. And again, you know, Australia
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Speaker 2: doesn't have a huge population. It's a long way between cities,
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Speaker 2: and you know, it's a long it's a long haul
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Speaker 2: to get here. So it's always been a bit of
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Speaker 2: an issue that, you know, we don't a lot of
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Speaker 2: bands we don't see here, Like there's so many I
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Speaker 2: could list so many great American bands that I love
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Speaker 2: that have never been to Australia, you know Kansas and
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Speaker 2: and Sticks and guys like that who I would love
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Speaker 2: to see, but you know, they've never made it across
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Speaker 2: the Pacific sadly.
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Speaker 1: Well, you had a friend of the podcast, Tim Derling
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Speaker 1: on recently to talk about the books he's written. One
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Speaker 1: of them is Kansas on Kansas basic example.
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Speaker 2: All the all the guys that we spoke about that,
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Speaker 2: you know Night Ranger and Kansas and Yan t that
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Speaker 2: we spoke about, well, we're really not well known here
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Speaker 2: at all. They had no radio play and it was
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Speaker 2: only I guess in recent years in the Internet that
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Speaker 2: music's easier to get to. But the only thing that
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Speaker 2: we had in Australia that that gave us a glimpse
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Speaker 2: of those bands back in my day when I was
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Speaker 2: a teenager was Rock Concert, the TV program John Kirshner's
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Speaker 2: Rock Concert. Yeah, and they would play that, you know,
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Speaker 2: eleven thirty or midnight on a Saturday night, and they
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Speaker 2: would play bands that we never got to hear on
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Speaker 2: the radio. So that was you know, a huge part
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Speaker 2: of my taste in music's come from that, you know,
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Speaker 2: Cheap Trick and Ted Nuge and all those great guys.
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Speaker 2: We just didn't see so it was Yeah, it was fantastic.
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Speaker 1: One episode that I have coming up, Michael, you'll be
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Speaker 1: interested in, is I have Preston Fraser, author Preston Fraser,
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Speaker 1: who's been under He's got a new book out on Yes,
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Speaker 1: but he focuses on just the years without John Anderson,
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Speaker 1: which I think is really interesting. Maybe I'll get you
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Speaker 1: as a new subscriber to the podcast, so I'll look
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Speaker 1: for I'll let you know when that goes out.
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Speaker 2: And a classic example of history that you know, I
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Speaker 2: remember Drama a great album, right, it was the number
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Speaker 2: one album for the year in the USI. It got
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Speaker 2: nothing in Australia, didn't even didn't even make a ripple.
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Speaker 2: So that's that's how different the music industry is on
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Speaker 2: different sides of the world. So we you know, we
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Speaker 2: heard absolutely nothing from that album and it was the
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Speaker 2: number one album of the year on the USI. So
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Speaker 2: that's crazy, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: But on the reverse side, Kiss that same year, because
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Speaker 1: I think Drama came out in nineteen eighty, Kiss in
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty was dead in the water here in the States,
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Speaker 1: yet in Australia huge.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was one of those guys that lined up
15:56
Speaker 2: forever to get it. And yeah, I guess again because
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Speaker 2: it was so long. That was the first time Kiss
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Speaker 2: had ever been to Australia, so we you know, they
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Speaker 2: were on air radar since Alive came out in seventy five,
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Speaker 2: so it took along, you know, the five year period
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Speaker 2: that Kiss fans didn't get to see them, so it
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Speaker 2: was it was a very big deal. And yes, Kiss
16:21
Speaker 2: you you're right Kiss Kiss's favor had fallen out in
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Speaker 2: the US and maybe not so much in Europe. But
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Speaker 2: also that I guess that worked in their favor that
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Speaker 2: there it was an opportunity to take them somewhere else
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Speaker 2: in the world to that they were still going to
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Speaker 2: make some money.
16:37
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, did you know that
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Speaker 1: Aast Frehley was not the band when you were getting
16:41
Speaker 1: the ticket for that show because it wasn't publicized all
16:45
Speaker 1: that much, was it not?
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Speaker 2: That I recall, No, Peter Chris had left.
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Speaker 1: Peter Cres, Vinnie Vincent was there, I believe when you
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Speaker 1: had gone to see them, but maybe not because they
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Speaker 1: had The thing is they had Peter out first, and
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Speaker 1: and Ace was on the cover of Creatures of the Night.
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Speaker 1: He didn't play on that album, and then Vinnie Vincent
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Speaker 1: was on the tour.
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Speaker 2: I think it's just on the on the edge of
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Speaker 2: that time because Unmasked was was quite popular here in
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Speaker 2: Australia at the time. And and Ice played on that,
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Speaker 2: didn't he.
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Speaker 1: He did, and he was on that tour.
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Speaker 2: It may have been it may have actually even been
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Speaker 2: the last time he came with, you know, in that
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Speaker 2: in that period of the band. But you know, the
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Speaker 2: guys have been back so many times since, and that's
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Speaker 2: a great example. Once you know, once Kiss came to
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Speaker 2: Australia and realized they had such a huge fan base
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Speaker 2: here and still today they you know, they've come back
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Speaker 2: regularly ever since, and and Ice has played in clubs
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Speaker 2: here in Australia, and Jean's done some solo gigs here
17:47
Speaker 2: like Ice Freely solo band. Just well, I saw them
17:51
Speaker 2: in a club here a few years ago and my
17:54
Speaker 2: hearing still hasn't recovered, but they was inside.
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Speaker 1: Be back after this, I culatin.
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Speaker 2: We'll go up on MACQ after our short intermission.
18:06
Speaker 1: Speaking of Kiss, let's stay on that topic because you
18:08
Speaker 1: did have Bruce Cullick on your show, and Bruce Cullick
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Speaker 1: was the guitarist of Kiss throughout most of the eighties
18:14
Speaker 1: into the nineties, and one of the interesting things that
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Speaker 1: he talked about with you was regarding the MTV and
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Speaker 1: Plug show in nineteen eighty six, and you asked him
18:24
Speaker 1: about that because it led to the reunion with the
18:27
Speaker 1: original four guys. You asked Bruce about the story that
18:30
Speaker 1: was out there. That was Bruce who suggested Ace and
18:34
Speaker 1: Peter be part of that show. Do you remember what
18:36
Speaker 1: his response was?
18:37
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and then and then it sort of came
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Speaker 2: back to bid him, didn't you know? It was so
18:41
Speaker 2: successful and it snowballed into the reunion and Eric and
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Speaker 2: Bruce sort of got pushed to the side, which which
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Speaker 2: I think. I think he was very upset about the time.
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Speaker 2: But I think in hindsight, I guess the you know,
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Speaker 2: the passage of Ptolemy's He's learned to leave, you know,
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Speaker 2: I guess it always had to happen, But yeah, it
19:07
Speaker 2: was I think, you know, it was really yeah, he's
19:10
Speaker 2: doing that might have happened, But I guess he didn't
19:12
Speaker 2: know that the MTV anything would be such a huge
19:15
Speaker 2: sensation that everyone allowed to see those guys back on stage.
19:19
Speaker 1: So I think he told you, Hey, wouldn't it be
19:21
Speaker 1: cool to have Ace up there? And then I think
19:23
Speaker 1: maybe it was Eric Singer. It was like, Hey, if
19:25
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Ace, let's have Peter come in it
19:27
Speaker 1: with something very innocent enough. It wasn't like there was
19:31
Speaker 1: any grand plan. It wasn't like and it wasn't like
19:33
Speaker 1: Paul and Jean were thinking of anything. They just figured, Okay,
19:37
Speaker 1: let's let's try it. And then they saw the reaction
19:40
Speaker 1: that it got and then of course the reunion. Now
19:42
Speaker 1: let's talk about David Lee Roth. As you know, you
19:45
Speaker 1: saw the behind Me the banner, the Van Halen banner.
19:47
Speaker 1: So I'm a huge Dave fan. And you had Stevie
19:51
Speaker 1: Vaie on your show. And Stevie was on those first
19:54
Speaker 1: two solo albums from Dave, amazing guitarist, also a being
19:58
Speaker 1: called Alcatraz. And here's a small world old story. Their
20:01
Speaker 1: bassist Gary Shea had him on the show. Here grew
20:04
Speaker 1: up right here in my hometown of Southington, Connecticut, right
20:07
Speaker 1: down the road. But you asked Stevie about his first
20:11
Speaker 1: gig with Alcatraz.
20:13
Speaker 2: invY was was in the band, and everybody loved invY
20:17
Speaker 2: and you know everyone. I think I think from memory,
20:20
Speaker 2: I think the gig was in San Francisco and everyone
20:23
Speaker 2: of the the auditorium was full and everyone was chanting
20:27
Speaker 2: invY and Steve I comes out on the stage and
20:30
Speaker 2: from what Steve said, the audience just went quiet. Who
20:33
Speaker 2: is this guy? And you know, as soon as he
20:36
Speaker 2: started to play.
20:37
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah he's on that one album. It's disturbing
20:42
Speaker 1: the piece he might have been on. Yeah, that's a
20:46
Speaker 1: great album.
20:47
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and and and and Steve was one of those
20:51
Speaker 2: guys that I thought, there's no way Steve I is
20:54
Speaker 2: going to talk to me. And I just I made
20:58
Speaker 2: an approach to his PR people and I've spoken to
21:02
Speaker 2: him three times since. He is the loveliest guy. And
21:06
Speaker 2: you know, he's such an easy person to interview. He
21:09
Speaker 2: loves to chat and he you know, he loves to
21:12
Speaker 2: talk about music and guitars and guitarists that he's met around.
21:16
Speaker 2: You know, he's just a lovely, lovely fellow.
21:18
Speaker 1: So he's not a mud slinger. He never says anything
21:21
Speaker 1: bad about anybody. He's always got great things to say.
21:25
Speaker 2: He discovered a young lady here in Adelaide when he
21:29
Speaker 2: was here and she was at the time. She was
21:30
Speaker 2: fourteen years old and her name is orianthy Oh. Yes,
21:36
Speaker 2: he's recently, in recent years come to live in the States.
21:39
Speaker 2: Her partner is Richie Sambora, and they record together and
21:45
Speaker 2: she is a killer guitar player. Just he came across her,
21:49
Speaker 2: you know, as I said, fourteen year old girl here
21:52
Speaker 2: in Adelaide playing on her own. She jumped up on
21:55
Speaker 2: the stage supporting him with a backing track and just
22:00
Speaker 2: her and ed. You can imagine the room was full
22:03
Speaker 2: of every musician in Adelaide and everyone's jaw hit the floor.
22:07
Speaker 2: She was just blew everyone away. So yeah, amazing, amazing girl.
22:12
Speaker 2: And we're you know, we're very tough to see. What
22:15
Speaker 2: a what a great career she's she's had scenes.
22:18
Speaker 1: You talked with legendary drummer Carmine, a piece Vanilla Fudge,
22:22
Speaker 1: Cactus back Bogert and a piece Rod Stewart, King Cobra.
22:27
Speaker 1: He played with Asie for a bit. What a resume.
22:30
Speaker 1: One thing that would be missing from drummers who would
22:32
Speaker 1: come after guys like Carmine is that certain swing, you know,
22:35
Speaker 1: And that's that's because Carmine grew up in an era.
22:38
Speaker 1: Like he talked to you, about where there weren't rock drummers,
22:41
Speaker 1: it's jazz drummers. It was Gene Crooper, it was Buddy Rich,
22:44
Speaker 1: guys like that. He shared his thoughts on that with you, right.
22:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and and and if you know, it all
22:50
Speaker 2: comes back from those two guys. When you go and
22:53
Speaker 2: watch those two guys on YouTube and watch Buddy Rich
22:57
Speaker 2: and those guys play, they are just believable players. And
23:01
Speaker 2: every rock drummer owes so much to those guys. But
23:05
Speaker 2: came on again was to my mind just this rock
23:08
Speaker 2: star god and to talk to him just blew me away.
23:13
Speaker 2: I first saw him play. He came to Australia with
23:16
Speaker 2: Rod Stewart's band in about nineteen seventy seven, I think,
23:21
Speaker 2: and I didn't know much about him, but he made
23:25
Speaker 2: such an impact that I went back and looked at
23:27
Speaker 2: his career and again, such a lovely guy. And I've
23:30
Speaker 2: spoken to him again since, and you know, there's, as
23:34
Speaker 2: you said, there's so much that he's done. And he
23:37
Speaker 2: had very similar stories about Ozzie and Sharon that Bob
23:41
Speaker 2: Daisley had, so it was really interesting to compare notes
23:45
Speaker 2: about how he was treated in the Ossie Osborne camp
23:48
Speaker 2: fascinating stuff.
23:49
Speaker 1: Trying to remember when did he work with Ozzie.
23:52
Speaker 2: I think in the early eighties, maybe eighty three ish
23:57
Speaker 2: eighty four, okay, because he went he did a tour
24:01
Speaker 2: of the States and and whoever was sponsoring him drunk
24:07
Speaker 2: it was, I can't remember who it was wanted him
24:09
Speaker 2: to do clinic says, you know, as those guys do.
24:12
Speaker 2: And apparently Sharon got the got a nose how to
24:15
Speaker 2: joint and wouldn't even let him do that, like it's
24:17
Speaker 2: just crazy, Like yeah, so just you know, so controlling
24:21
Speaker 2: on the on the guys that you know people he
24:25
Speaker 2: added to the show lot. You know, what better is
24:28
Speaker 2: it to come and see these guys. As much as
24:30
Speaker 2: we love Ozzie, he always had such great play as
24:33
Speaker 2: you go to see them as well, don't you.
24:35
Speaker 1: Legendary jethro Tooll front man Ian Anderson was on your show.
24:40
Speaker 1: What did he have to say about revisiting the past material?
24:44
Speaker 1: Because he tours with Tall, he tours solo, and he's
24:47
Speaker 1: smart enough to know which audiences want what it depending
24:51
Speaker 1: on where he's playing rights.
24:53
Speaker 2: And he was one of the guys that I thought,
24:56
Speaker 2: you know, when you haven't done an interview with somebody
24:58
Speaker 2: you think, oh, he's going to be really hard work.
25:01
Speaker 2: And he had a reputation as being a bit could
25:03
Speaker 2: be a bit testy, and he was just fantastic. I
25:08
Speaker 2: couldn't shut him up. He just chatted and chatted. We
25:10
Speaker 2: chatted for well over an hour and he was lovely.
25:13
Speaker 2: He just again, I think because I was interested in
25:16
Speaker 2: the music. And yes he does. He does have a
25:20
Speaker 2: very good understanding of his fans that want to hear
25:24
Speaker 2: the run of the Mule, Jeth Rotel excuse me, and
25:29
Speaker 2: but the other stuff that he does. But he you know,
25:31
Speaker 2: he likes people. One of one of the things that
25:34
Speaker 2: I that I remember is that he really appreciates the
25:38
Speaker 2: people to sit and listen to his music. He wants
25:42
Speaker 2: you to hear what he's playing. So the back in
25:45
Speaker 2: the old days, you know, I think he referred to
25:49
Speaker 2: them as a led Zeppelin crowd, you know, carrying on
25:52
Speaker 2: and making noise and dancing around. He didn't really like that.
25:55
Speaker 2: He wanted people to listen to the music. So but
25:58
Speaker 2: again he was such a lovely fellow.
26:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of ZEP, and he talks about Robert Plant
26:03
Speaker 1: maintaining his integrity, how he could have easily took a
26:06
Speaker 1: money grab and done these Zeppelin reunion tours. He really
26:11
Speaker 1: appreciates that about Plan. I think Ian Anderson has that
26:15
Speaker 1: same mindset too. It's the integrity that he wants to
26:17
Speaker 1: keep intact.
26:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be very difficult, and to you know,
26:22
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's people in Robert Plants here even now
26:26
Speaker 2: that I'm saying, you know, come and do it, Come
26:27
Speaker 2: and do it, Come and do it, and you know
26:29
Speaker 2: it doesn't really achieve anything. And yeah, it's it's a
26:33
Speaker 2: hard CaAl, isn't it. As a fan, it's a hard coal.
26:36
Speaker 1: Sure, well, the fans want it. But Plant never seemed
26:40
Speaker 1: to was. It wasn't something that again, it wasn't a
26:42
Speaker 1: money graph for him. Even when he rejoined Page for
26:45
Speaker 1: the Page and Plant stuff, it was it was it
26:47
Speaker 1: was to rework some of the songs that they did together.
26:50
Speaker 1: It wasn't going to be just like a carbon copy.
26:53
Speaker 1: Podcasts will be back after this, but.
26:56
Speaker 2: Time has come for someone to put his foot down
26:59
Speaker 2: and that what is mean.
27:04
Speaker 1: Michael Adelaide is the author of Sitting in a Bar
27:06
Speaker 1: in Adelaide fifteen years of podcasting because out now. One
27:10
Speaker 1: of the artists you interviewed who has sadly passed. Was
27:13
Speaker 1: Greg Ken, famous for his hits in the eighties Jeopardy
27:17
Speaker 1: the Breakup song. Greg talks about Joe Satrianni being in
27:22
Speaker 1: his band. Joe Satrianna I didn't even realized was in
27:25
Speaker 1: his band at one point. When was that back in
27:27
Speaker 1: the early.
27:28
Speaker 2: Days of the Great King Band, and Joe Satriani was
27:31
Speaker 2: the rhythm guitarist.
27:33
Speaker 1: Like how crazy is the crazy? Yeah?
27:35
Speaker 2: Absolutely? And Greg King again a lovely, lovely fella and
27:40
Speaker 2: you know again, what was playing for maybe a fifteen
27:43
Speaker 2: to twenty minute interview went for an air or an
27:45
Speaker 2: hour and a half. He's just such a lovely fella.
27:48
Speaker 2: And that's I guess. You know. One of the things
27:50
Speaker 2: that might the book a bit more important for me
27:54
Speaker 2: is so many guys like Greg that I've spoken to
27:57
Speaker 2: have gone and not here anymore. So it's sort of
28:00
Speaker 2: it makes it a bit special that I got to
28:03
Speaker 2: talk to those guys and Yeah, and he discovered Joe
28:08
Speaker 2: and just that they were playing clubs in I think
28:10
Speaker 2: San Francisco back then, and Joe just went on to
28:14
Speaker 2: be this phenomenal guitar wizard. So it's amazing when you
28:18
Speaker 2: see how guys are that started off, but Steve I
28:22
Speaker 2: was similar. He was, you know, playing rhythm guitar with
28:26
Speaker 2: Frank Zappa back in and yeah, look look what he's
28:30
Speaker 2: doing now. He's taken it to a level that we
28:33
Speaker 2: didn't even think that you could take a guitar to
28:35
Speaker 2: that level. So yeah, amazing.
28:38
Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, you interviewed John wat who sang with
28:41
Speaker 1: The Babies, had a huge solo hit single with Missing You,
28:45
Speaker 1: later front of the band Bad English with members of Journey.
28:49
Speaker 1: Going back to that single Missing You, he did something
28:51
Speaker 1: really interesting with that song with Alison Kraus.
28:55
Speaker 2: Yeah he did, and you know, to take over such
28:58
Speaker 2: a well known tune that people knew across the world
29:01
Speaker 2: and to remake it into a country in inverted commas tune,
29:07
Speaker 2: and what a great job they did. And Alison Krause's
29:10
Speaker 2: has done that as as you mentioned Robert Plant before,
29:12
Speaker 2: she's and she's bought her music to someone like me.
29:17
Speaker 2: She would not be on my radar, but she's she's
29:20
Speaker 2: crossed over to two guys like me that the rock fans.
29:23
Speaker 2: And I'm an Allison Krause fan. I like, I've really
29:26
Speaker 2: gone and looked at what she does, so you know,
29:28
Speaker 2: that's that's a great thing. One of one of the
29:30
Speaker 2: great things that John spoke about. Back back in the
29:36
Speaker 2: early mid eighties, there was you know, satellites were a
29:40
Speaker 2: new thing and satellite television and they would being interviews
29:44
Speaker 2: into clubs. So and they did one with Bad English
29:48
Speaker 2: here in Adelaide, and he and I remember watching it. It
29:52
Speaker 2: was on they played on television as well. But I
29:55
Speaker 2: remember asking about that and he said they'd come off
29:58
Speaker 2: a gig and they were what us substances ire on.
30:01
Speaker 2: They were totally off their trolleys when they when they
30:04
Speaker 2: did that interview, and he could remember it so that
30:07
Speaker 2: I thought that was really fun.
30:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's had an amazing career too. I just saw
30:11
Speaker 1: him out on the road. I think this summer I
30:13
Speaker 1: saw on YouTube playing some shows. I believe it was
30:16
Speaker 1: this past summer. So he's still going.
30:18
Speaker 2: The babies were booked to come here like last year
30:21
Speaker 2: and the tube got canceled. I would have I would
30:24
Speaker 2: love to sing them. To my knowledge, they've never been
30:27
Speaker 2: to Australia so and the first two babies Alms were huge,
30:32
Speaker 2: so I would have loved to sing them because our
30:34
Speaker 2: fingers crossed. Maybe damn the track they'll come back and
30:37
Speaker 2: see it.
30:38
Speaker 1: Fee Wable front end of the Tubes. He was on
30:41
Speaker 1: your show in twenty twelve. The Tubes known for their
30:43
Speaker 1: elaborate stage shows, and he told you about how the
30:47
Speaker 1: band would spare no expenses to get the best stage
30:50
Speaker 1: show there was. But there was an escalating list of
30:55
Speaker 1: expenses on their riders, much of it spent on chocolate.
31:00
Speaker 2: And that got a crazy, yeah, crazy story that they
31:03
Speaker 2: just did weird things like your expenses were just nuts.
31:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, dancers right, it was the dancers that were requesting chocolate.
31:15
Speaker 2: But again he was He was a guy that I
31:17
Speaker 2: never thought I'd get to interview, and the interview went
31:21
Speaker 2: for so long I think it was a three hour
31:24
Speaker 2: episode of the program that And again, the guys have
31:29
Speaker 2: never played in Australia. The Tubes have never been here.
31:32
Speaker 2: If I win lotto and can afford to bring them
31:36
Speaker 2: to Australia, I would love to have them play. They
31:39
Speaker 2: feeded a promotional tour out here when completion Backwood came out,
31:44
Speaker 2: just a chat tour, but the band has never played here.
31:47
Speaker 2: I would love to see them.
31:48
Speaker 1: So why is it that so few bands tour there?
31:52
Speaker 1: Not a lot of radio airplay I.
31:55
Speaker 2: Think a lot of a lot of the mid level bands.
31:58
Speaker 2: Like like I said, I guess they're a lot bigger
32:01
Speaker 2: in the States, Sticks and Kansas and the Tubes can
32:07
Speaker 2: fill a big haul in the United States, but they
32:10
Speaker 2: would be playing in sort of two thousand seedars here.
32:15
Speaker 2: So you know, the financial risk for a promoter to
32:19
Speaker 2: bring them out is you know, it has always been
32:22
Speaker 2: a bit of a challenge. There's there's some guys in
32:24
Speaker 2: New Zealand called Greenstone Entertainment that in New Zealand in
32:31
Speaker 2: January they have two two public holiday weekends in a
32:35
Speaker 2: row and they do they do three big outdoor concerts
32:40
Speaker 2: there every year in those two weekends, and they bring
32:43
Speaker 2: bands out to New Zealand that have never come to Australia.
32:47
Speaker 2: As an example, Ario have done Ario Speedwagon have done it.
32:52
Speaker 2: And so the you know, they're clever enough to bring
32:56
Speaker 2: those guys out because people want to see them. Occasionally
32:59
Speaker 2: there's an Australia promoter that will grab them and bring
33:02
Speaker 2: them to Sydney and Milman for one or two gigs.
33:05
Speaker 2: Lynnard Skinn it is is an example. They've never really
33:08
Speaker 2: toured Australia but did two gigs on the back of this,
33:12
Speaker 2: so it's I don't think Australian promoters are really that
33:15
Speaker 2: adventurous either, which is which is really frustrating. So yeah,
33:20
Speaker 2: but again, these guys are getting older and it's it's
33:23
Speaker 2: I guess it's harder for them to to you know,
33:26
Speaker 2: they can go to Europe and and not have to
33:29
Speaker 2: travel so much, and they know they're going to make money,
33:31
Speaker 2: and so it's, yeah, it's difficult.
33:33
Speaker 1: Well that's yeah, more of a factory even nowadays as
33:36
Speaker 1: opposed to the others. You did have John Anderson on
33:40
Speaker 1: your show, John Anderson of Yes, and you brought up
33:43
Speaker 1: an album that some may not know of that you're
33:46
Speaker 1: a big fan of called sun Hillo.
33:48
Speaker 2: The A Life, you know, was his first solo.
33:51
Speaker 1: Album nineteen seventy six, and I don't.
33:54
Speaker 2: I don't really know if a people appreciate what a
33:57
Speaker 2: great musician John Enson is. You know, he's known for
34:00
Speaker 2: his voice and and but he played every instrument on
34:04
Speaker 2: that album and he came when he when he was
34:09
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he to say he was kicked
34:11
Speaker 2: out of Yes, but when all that happened, he actually
34:14
Speaker 2: toured around the world on his own solo and came
34:17
Speaker 2: and played in a club on his own and he
34:20
Speaker 2: blew me away. He played you know, every Yes tune
34:24
Speaker 2: you could ever want to hear, just with him, and so,
34:27
Speaker 2: you know, the album is a great example of what
34:30
Speaker 2: a fine musician he is as well as a great singer,
34:34
Speaker 2: so we don't sometimes guys like that are in bands
34:37
Speaker 2: where the other musicians are so you know, so great
34:42
Speaker 2: and and sort of take over that you you don't
34:45
Speaker 2: really appreciate. And then he wrote a lot of those tunes.
34:48
Speaker 2: So yeah, again, a great lovely fellow, lovely to talk to.
34:54
Speaker 2: I've had him on the show multiple times. He's lovely and.
34:57
Speaker 1: You talk about high praise, he said, Van Morrison give
35:00
Speaker 1: him a nice comment about that album.
35:03
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and you wouldn't. You wouldn't even expect those
35:06
Speaker 2: guys to be in similar you know, to move in
35:11
Speaker 2: similar circles, would you.
35:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, Colin Hay have meant at work. You talk to
35:17
Speaker 1: him just a year after the death of his bandmate
35:21
Speaker 1: Greg Ham, a very sad story. First, can you talk
35:25
Speaker 1: about what happened with Greg as far as the copyright
35:27
Speaker 1: lawsuit for those who may not be aware of that,
35:29
Speaker 1: how that affected him, and then following up with that,
35:32
Speaker 1: what did Colin have to say about that, and Greg.
35:36
Speaker 2: And I see Colin has got men at work back
35:38
Speaker 2: touring around the States at the moment with Toto and
35:41
Speaker 2: Christopher Cross. How cool is that. I'm so happy that
35:44
Speaker 2: he's out there and doing that. He's he's a great guy.
35:48
Speaker 2: It's just a sad story. He so, Greg Ham was
35:52
Speaker 2: people may recall with a flute player and songwriter and
35:56
Speaker 2: minute work and you know a great part of the
36:00
Speaker 2: and a huge part of the band. And there's a
36:02
Speaker 2: music quiz program in Australia called Rock Whiz and it's
36:08
Speaker 2: it's a slash comedy show. But they they made one
36:13
Speaker 2: of the so they have a question an answer and
36:16
Speaker 2: a panel sort of show. And one of the questions
36:19
Speaker 2: they asked was they played a little bit of an
36:22
Speaker 2: old Australian folk song called Kooko barro Sis of the
36:28
Speaker 2: Old Gum Tree and played a little bit of the
36:32
Speaker 2: flute plart from down Under and there was I still
36:37
Speaker 2: can't really colleate where they got this from, but it
36:39
Speaker 2: was an off the cough coment that the the presenter
36:44
Speaker 2: made that they were the you know that he plagiarized
36:48
Speaker 2: that that old Australian folk song and it just snowballed
36:52
Speaker 2: from there.
36:52
Speaker 1: And this was just that one moment.
36:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one off the coff cuff, I mean, just
37:01
Speaker 2: ruined Greg Ham's life and just he ended up in
37:04
Speaker 2: Core and at send him broken and in the end
37:07
Speaker 2: he took his own life. It's just the saddest, saddest story.
37:10
Speaker 2: It's just yeah, and I think and yeah, I think
37:15
Speaker 2: the guy's in men at work still, you know, still
37:17
Speaker 2: struggle with it. It was just an awful situation.
37:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you not sure how Colin was going to respond?
37:23
Speaker 1: Were you a little absolutely how you're going to ask? Was?
37:27
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure. It was one of those questions, you know,
37:30
Speaker 2: do I do I bring up that topic or not?
37:33
Speaker 2: But but I, you know, I knew how much he
37:35
Speaker 2: loved Greg, You and I you know, I think in
37:37
Speaker 2: Australia we could sympathize that it was just such a
37:40
Speaker 2: crazy situation. And I sort of went from from that
37:44
Speaker 2: angle to say, you know, how sorry that we all
37:46
Speaker 2: are that that that ended up like that, And you know,
37:49
Speaker 2: I'm happy that he took it that way that I wasn't.
37:52
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to dig the dirt or anything.
37:54
Speaker 1: But you delivered it with empathy and I think he
37:57
Speaker 1: responded well.
37:58
Speaker 2: But he's been living in California for years and he's
38:01
Speaker 2: the happiest man on the planet. There's a great there's
38:05
Speaker 2: a great doc HO made about him in the States,
38:09
Speaker 2: just maybe a few years old now, and I can't
38:11
Speaker 2: for the life and you remember the name of it,
38:13
Speaker 2: but it's it's on YouTube. It's really an awesome insight
38:17
Speaker 2: into how happy he is now, working applying around the US,
38:21
Speaker 2: and and you know, we're all, you know, we all
38:23
Speaker 2: love him and he's It's crazy how a Scotsman can
38:27
Speaker 2: come to Australia and write an iconic song about Australia
38:31
Speaker 2: and then go and leave in the States. Crazy stuff.
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Speaker 1: Book on Rock Podcasts. We'll be back after this.
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Speaker 2: The future is now.
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Speaker 1: to the show ac DC we mentioned them earlier. Let's
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Speaker 1: talk about ac DC. You had a really interesting interview
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Speaker 1: with Dave Evans. Evans was the original singer of a CDC.
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Speaker 1: Many may not be aware of this, but the story
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Speaker 1: was at Angus and Malcolm Young were not happy with
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Speaker 1: Dave and they either fired him or dismissed him, and
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Speaker 1: then Bond Scott enters. The reasons vary on that, but
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Speaker 1: what did he have to say about his time with
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Speaker 1: the band.
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Speaker 2: He's a crazy go I love IBAB and he actually
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Speaker 2: had the pleasure of applying some gigs with his band
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Speaker 2: supporting you man. He and the interview in the book
40:02
Speaker 2: was actually done in an outside cafe in Adelaide, So
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Speaker 2: there was I was actually talking to another guy doing
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Speaker 2: another interview, and Dave was wandering up and down the street.
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Speaker 2: And this is eleven o'clock in the morning, wandering up
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Speaker 2: and down the street in his leather pants, his stage
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Speaker 2: gear at eleven in the morning and when we both
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Speaker 2: knew him and we waved to him, and he came
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Speaker 2: over and he started chatting to us. So fantastic guy.
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Speaker 2: He's just he's still a rock star in his own mind.
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Speaker 1: And I love that handled that well because that that's
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Speaker 1: got to be one of those Damn if they only
40:38
Speaker 1: stuck around.
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Speaker 2: I think it's still it's still really really hurts him
40:42
Speaker 2: how he you know, he put his heart and soul
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Speaker 2: into that band and and you know where the people
40:48
Speaker 2: agree or don't agree, he's really been written out of
40:50
Speaker 2: the history of ac DC, which is very sad like.
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Speaker 2: But they, you know, for his story, was they you know,
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Speaker 2: he lived in Sydney at the time, and was you know,
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Speaker 2: I still had to pay his rent and was you
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Speaker 2: had to live and they really weren't paying him. So
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Speaker 2: the poor guy is is on the road and can't
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Speaker 2: you know, he's getting you know, trying to keep his
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Speaker 2: life in one piece, and he just wasn't being paid.
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Speaker 2: So I think that was part of it. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's it's a sad story that he really deserves to
41:23
Speaker 2: be recognized. And the real ac DC fans around the
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Speaker 2: world know that Dave Evans had a part in that.
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Speaker 2: And the first tune that they recorded was can I
41:33
Speaker 2: sit next to you? Girls?
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Speaker 1: Can they sit next to you? Yeah? Yeah, And then
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Speaker 1: we recorded it with Bond Yeah yeah.
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Speaker 2: And that's a great version as well. When the and
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Speaker 2: the original, it sounds a little bit dated, but but
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Speaker 2: it gives you an insight where ac DC came from.
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Speaker 2: And that's and that's, you know, a great piece of history.
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Speaker 2: Like I said, it's it's a shame that they don't
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Speaker 2: recognize that as much as they should.
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Speaker 1: You got to share the story about when they played
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Speaker 1: a wedding gig.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so they played a wedding gig. So a friend
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Speaker 2: of theirs lent them their PA h I think he
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Speaker 2: was lending them their PA system. And they said, oh,
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Speaker 2: would you play the wedding And they said and Dave
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Speaker 2: said no, we you know, were they were starting to
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Speaker 2: get popular and and you know, getting paid a reasonable
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Speaker 2: amount of money to play. And the guy said, oh no, no,
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Speaker 2: I'll pay you your normal fee. So they played at
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Speaker 2: a Greek wedding in someone's backyard, and of course they
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Speaker 2: asked them to play Zorba the Greek as you did,
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Speaker 2: and and they had of course, had no idea how
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Speaker 2: to play it, and the stories that Malcolm Young said, oh,
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Speaker 2: just give me a moment, and he went off in
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Speaker 2: the corner and noodled away on his guitar and worked
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Speaker 2: out how to play it. So the band came back
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Speaker 2: on and played an instrumental version of Zorba the Greek
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Speaker 2: at a Greek wedding. How cool was that.
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Speaker 1: That's a great story, that's a great Sorry.
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Speaker 2: Well, i'd be wonderful, les there was footage of that.
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Speaker 2: Nowadays everyone recorded on their phone, but back in nineteen
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Speaker 2: seventy four or they're probably yeah, it's a shine. That
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Speaker 2: would have been awesome.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just left up to our imagination as of
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Speaker 1: what that must have looked like. All right, let's finish
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Speaker 1: with Bob Daisley, bassist of Ozzy Osbourne, who I forgot
43:23
Speaker 1: and I was reading about him after listening to your interview.
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Speaker 1: He's on he plays bass on not just those first
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Speaker 1: two albums, but he's on No More Tears.
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Speaker 2: He plays he plays a really interesting role for Goddi's
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Speaker 2: early career. He's a great guy, a lovely guy, and
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Speaker 2: he's probably the most one of the most regular guests
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Speaker 2: I have on the program. He's come recently in recent
43:44
Speaker 2: years come back to live in Sydney. So he yeah,
43:48
Speaker 2: he left Sydney. He left Australia in the early seventies
43:53
Speaker 2: when he was you know, he really and a lot
43:55
Speaker 2: of guys did, a lot of guys that wanted to
43:57
Speaker 2: make it in the music industry went to London to
43:59
Speaker 2: try and make their fortune. And and Bob, you know,
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Speaker 2: he was he was only a kid. He I think
44:05
Speaker 2: he borrowed money from his mum and dad and and
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Speaker 2: went to to England and long story short, ended up
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Speaker 2: playing with Richie blackmore so, he played on Rainbow's album
44:18
Speaker 2: Long Live Rock and Roll. And it was from there
44:21
Speaker 2: that he had a friendship with with Ronnie Dio and
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Speaker 2: ended up ended up working with Ozzie. So you know,
44:29
Speaker 2: he's the he's he is the only Australian who has
44:31
Speaker 2: ever played in any of those hard rock bands. He's
44:35
Speaker 2: you know, he's done so much fantastic stuff with with
44:38
Speaker 2: Carmine you mentioned before, and yeah, played with with John
44:42
Speaker 2: Sykes and all those guys in Blue Murder, so you know,
44:47
Speaker 2: fascinating career and Blue.
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Speaker 1: Murder I forgot about That's a great album.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And and lots lots of bands that again should
44:55
Speaker 2: have been huge, but I think maybe did better in
44:58
Speaker 2: the States and Europe than than in Australia. They didn't
45:01
Speaker 2: really even Rainbow were not really a hugely popular being here.
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Speaker 1: Sadly, now I'm trying to remember, did Bob and Drummer
45:10
Speaker 1: League cursedly did they have to audition for Ozzie's band
45:13
Speaker 1: after Ozzie left Sabbath.
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Speaker 2: Well, well, the story was that that Bob had had
45:19
Speaker 2: heads up that Ozzie had well, let me go back
45:23
Speaker 2: a step. Ozzie was sorry. Bob was earmarked to go
45:27
Speaker 2: and play with Ronnie Dio because Ronnie had left Rainbow,
45:33
Speaker 2: and apparently got a message that Ronnie had been offered
45:38
Speaker 2: the gig in Sabbath, that Ozzie had left or been
45:43
Speaker 2: been shuffled sideway from Sabbath, so he went he knew.
45:48
Speaker 2: I think a mutual friend suggested to Bob to go
45:51
Speaker 2: and have a drink at a pub with with Ozzie,
45:54
Speaker 2: and they got on really well and got together and
45:58
Speaker 2: started writing some tunes. And Randy Rhodes was not in
46:02
Speaker 2: the picture back then that I think it was just
46:05
Speaker 2: some some roadies of Ossie's that were were playing music
46:09
Speaker 2: with him in in Ozzie's house and just yeah, and
46:14
Speaker 2: it all snowballed from there. So Lee Kurzlake had played
46:17
Speaker 2: in Your Eye Heap with Bob, so Bob knew him
46:19
Speaker 2: as a drummer. But apparently they auditioned lots and lots
46:24
Speaker 2: of drummers and and Lee finally got the gig. But
46:28
Speaker 2: and a great drummer he was, but he was I
46:29
Speaker 2: think he fell out of favor with Sharon because he didn't,
46:33
Speaker 2: you know, he was getting old, getting on. I think
46:35
Speaker 2: he was in his forties or fifties when and didn't
46:39
Speaker 2: look the rock star that they wanted Tommy Aldridge in
46:42
Speaker 2: the band for for whatever reason. And and that was
46:45
Speaker 2: a sort of the root of all evil for Bob
46:47
Speaker 2: that he you know, he was, he was loyal to
46:51
Speaker 2: Lee Kurzlake and didn't want didn't want him shuffled out
46:55
Speaker 2: of the band just because they wanted someone else. So
46:57
Speaker 2: I think that's where it all started. So but fascinating stuff.
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Speaker 1: It's fascinating and that that was hard enough. Obviously he's
47:04
Speaker 1: dealing with no longer being an Assie's band, But then
47:08
Speaker 1: there's the legal battles that he eventually has with Ozzie
47:12
Speaker 1: and Sharon. Talk about this controversy again for those who
47:15
Speaker 1: may not be too familiar with this whole thing, it
47:17
Speaker 1: was it was over songwriting. It was because actually Bob
47:22
Speaker 1: had some input in terms of those songs on those
47:25
Speaker 1: first two albums, Hum and Azzie had a good songwriting combination.
47:29
Speaker 1: In fact, he he praised how Ozzie could write those
47:32
Speaker 1: great melodies over the music that was presented to him.
47:35
Speaker 1: But there was an issue with that with Sharon. And
47:38
Speaker 1: then there's the re recordings. Tell us about all that.
47:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's just crizy that that you know,
47:45
Speaker 2: the guys were not getting credited for for their for
47:49
Speaker 2: their songwriting and and sometimes we're only getting a performance
47:53
Speaker 2: payment for the and no royalties from the albums. But yeah,
47:56
Speaker 2: it's it's really hard to feed them taking a step
47:59
Speaker 2: back and seeing how that happened in it. But then
48:02
Speaker 2: the crazy thing is that Bob left as a as
48:06
Speaker 2: a playing member of Ozzie's band because the first tour
48:09
Speaker 2: when they came, they too. They tour of Europe in
48:12
Speaker 2: the UK for a little while and then bought Randy
48:15
Speaker 2: to the US, but Bob didn't play Rudy Sarzo took over,
48:20
Speaker 2: so so things are already you know, a bit crazy
48:22
Speaker 2: back then, but then Bob had gone back in subsequent
48:27
Speaker 2: albums and and done more songwriting. So he did really
48:30
Speaker 2: love Ozzie, like they got on very well and they
48:32
Speaker 2: worked well together. But but you know, I don't want
48:36
Speaker 2: to throw mud at Sharon, but I think, you know,
48:40
Speaker 2: the business side of it just just soured at all,
48:42
Speaker 2: which is again really sad because they made great music together.
48:46
Speaker 2: Those those first Ossie albums still stand up as the
48:49
Speaker 2: greatest things he's made.
48:50
Speaker 1: So oh my god. Yeah, Now did the re recordings
48:53
Speaker 1: lead to the legal battles.
48:56
Speaker 2: I think that was part of it. Yeah, and again
48:58
Speaker 2: why would.
48:59
Speaker 1: I can't when was that, by the way, Michael, when
49:01
Speaker 1: did they I forget when the re recordings were? Is
49:04
Speaker 1: that late eighties?
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Speaker 2: Later on in the eighties, yeah, yeah, and again I
49:08
Speaker 2: don't understand why they went down that path. Why yeah, yeah,
49:12
Speaker 2: And you know again, Tommy Aldridge, you know, great drama.
49:16
Speaker 2: And you know, I haven't had the pleasure of speaking
49:19
Speaker 2: to him, but I think he's a great guy. But
49:21
Speaker 2: I don't understand why why Sharon was so adamant to
49:25
Speaker 2: bring him into the band. But you know politics, and
49:28
Speaker 2: because her father was was Don Arden, so he was
49:32
Speaker 2: you know, known from Jet Records back in those days
49:35
Speaker 2: as a very very hard businessman. You didn't muck around
49:38
Speaker 2: with him. You know, there's stories of him, you know,
49:41
Speaker 2: threatening to throw people out of his office window. So
49:44
Speaker 2: I think he was a very nice guy.
49:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she just was just kind of taking a
49:49
Speaker 1: shot at those two guys, like removing them from those
49:52
Speaker 1: albums was her way of getting him. Just I don't understand,
49:55
Speaker 1: you know it was that she ever said why she did.
49:57
Speaker 2: It, not that I'm aware of. No, No, I think
50:00
Speaker 2: it was you know, I'm really not sure whether whether
50:03
Speaker 2: it was to cut those guys out of the royalty
50:06
Speaker 2: stream that I'm not sure if they were getting any rules,
50:09
Speaker 2: but you do see bands do crazy things like that,
50:12
Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm really not sure what that achieved.
50:14
Speaker 1: But well, there was the Van Halen story when when
50:18
Speaker 1: they had the falling out with Michael Anthony and Wolfgang
50:22
Speaker 1: was in the band. On their official website, on the
50:26
Speaker 1: album covers that they displayed of all the Van Allen albums,
50:30
Speaker 1: they replaced Michael Anthony on that first album, you know,
50:34
Speaker 1: the first album cover where you see all four guys
50:36
Speaker 1: they put they put Wolfgang.
50:38
Speaker 2: On there, Yes, and it's and.
50:40
Speaker 1: Van Halen fans were not happy about that.
50:43
Speaker 2: I don't again, I don't understand the logic between doing that.
50:46
Speaker 2: It's it's a piece of history, it's the band's history.
50:50
Speaker 2: Leave it be. You know what does that achieve?
50:53
Speaker 1: So tell me, tell me. When Assie passed away, I
50:57
Speaker 1: would imagine Bob was the first guy you thought of.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And and sadly, the last few times that I've
51:03
Speaker 2: had him on the program have been similar situations that
51:07
Speaker 2: he played with Gary Moore, he played with with Ronnie Dio,
51:10
Speaker 2: as I've mentioned before. So we've you know, we've done
51:13
Speaker 2: a program together on those guys, mainly because he is
51:17
Speaker 2: the only Ossie that played with those guys. But then, yeah,
51:21
Speaker 2: when when Ossi passed away, there was not anything around,
51:27
Speaker 2: you know, all the all the media around the world
51:30
Speaker 2: didn't really mention the guys that you know that helped
51:34
Speaker 2: Ozzie get there in his solo career a little you know,
51:37
Speaker 2: Randy Randy Rhodes had a little bit of a mention.
51:40
Speaker 2: But and I wrote a note to Bob and said,
51:43
Speaker 2: you know, I wish there was someone would mention you
51:47
Speaker 2: know how great Ossie's first band was and how you
51:49
Speaker 2: set the path for his career and and having and
51:53
Speaker 2: he'd written Bob had actually written an article for the
51:58
Speaker 2: national newspaper called The Australian. It's, I guess similar to
52:04
Speaker 2: is that USA today is the national newspaper similar to that,
52:09
Speaker 2: And he'd written a great article on how you know
52:11
Speaker 2: what they did in their early days and and you
52:14
Speaker 2: know how much he loved Ozzie and what they did together.
52:17
Speaker 2: So I was I was really happy to see that
52:20
Speaker 2: and that I think that started to go out around
52:22
Speaker 2: the world a bit, and so you know, it was
52:24
Speaker 2: it was still only about a week after Ossie's passing
52:27
Speaker 2: that that we had a chat and Bob was was
52:30
Speaker 2: very very emotional about that. As I said, they were
52:33
Speaker 2: really good friends. I think even all the water under
52:36
Speaker 2: the bridge that that happened business wise and money wise
52:39
Speaker 2: didn't really affect their friendship. I think. I think they
52:43
Speaker 2: still had that, you know, that similar sense of humor,
52:46
Speaker 2: I think, but I think in the younger days are
52:48
Speaker 2: pretty crazy guys.
52:49
Speaker 1: So that was great to hear. Great, Yeah, there were
52:52
Speaker 1: many things that I really was interested in when I
52:55
Speaker 1: listened to that last interview did with him where he's
52:58
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, he reminded everybody, don't forget that that
53:01
Speaker 1: wasn't Ozzy Osbourne's solo project that was called Blizzard of Ours.
53:07
Speaker 1: The band was called Blizzard of Ours.
53:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, and isn't that a great story? How that just
53:13
Speaker 2: changed and Bob wasn't aware that that had changed until
53:16
Speaker 2: the album came out. It's crazy. Well again, it's it's
53:20
Speaker 2: just behind the scenes, someone's finger poking. And yeah, if
53:24
Speaker 2: you there's some you know, there's promo photographs of the
53:29
Speaker 2: Blizzard of Oz band which was Randy Lee and Bob
53:33
Speaker 2: and Ozzy and no mention of of actual Ozzie's name.
53:37
Speaker 2: It was it was a new band. So yeah, how
53:40
Speaker 2: quickly that changed?
53:42
Speaker 1: Yep, And he brought up the point he says, I'm
53:44
Speaker 1: the only surviving member of that band, which is really
53:47
Speaker 1: hard to believe, but which.
53:49
Speaker 2: Is which is a little bit sad when you think
53:51
Speaker 2: about that. It's, as I said at the start of
53:53
Speaker 2: our chat, Eric, you know, from from my year of
53:57
Speaker 2: you know a lot of those guys are getting into
53:58
Speaker 2: their seventies and eighties and no longer win us. So
54:01
Speaker 2: it's you know, we have to cherish, cherish that music,
54:05
Speaker 2: and when we get a chance to go and see
54:07
Speaker 2: these guys, you know, it's and that gets me off
54:09
Speaker 2: the couch. Sometimes the last thing I want to do
54:12
Speaker 2: is go out in the middle of winter and see
54:14
Speaker 2: a band. It's like, no, I've got to go because
54:16
Speaker 2: it may be the last time you see these guys.
54:18
Speaker 2: And sometimes it is so yeah, yeah, he did.
54:23
Speaker 1: I think he talked a little bit about the process
54:25
Speaker 1: of songwriting that took place back in those days. On
54:28
Speaker 1: those albums. I think it would be him and Lee
54:32
Speaker 1: and Randy kind of jam and on stuff, and then
54:34
Speaker 1: they would present it to Azi and again Arsie would
54:37
Speaker 1: come in and come up with these great melodies over
54:40
Speaker 1: the music. It was. It was a really good chemistry
54:42
Speaker 1: that they had.
54:43
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and you know, I think if they would
54:46
Speaker 2: have stayed together as a unit. Although the second album
54:50
Speaker 2: is still very, very good, you know, I think that
54:54
Speaker 2: the all you know, I love all Ossie's work, it's
54:57
Speaker 2: all great stuff, but those two albums stand out above
55:01
Speaker 2: the rest. For I think that chemistry and that songwriting
55:05
Speaker 2: chemistry makes the difference. And you know, Crazy Training, for instance,
55:08
Speaker 2: is the song that you know, people think of from
55:12
Speaker 2: Ossie's solo career. And and every time I see, you know,
55:15
Speaker 2: a ball game or something from the States, it's it's
55:19
Speaker 2: quite often used to bring the sports team out. You know,
55:22
Speaker 2: people love that song.
55:23
Speaker 1: So it is in every stadium around the country with
55:28
Speaker 1: that lead off all of but here Ossie screaming all aboard. Yeah,
55:32
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've got a chance to see that final concert,
55:35
Speaker 1: the farewell Ye and Sabbath.
55:39
Speaker 2: And the sad thing was that I saw some footage
55:44
Speaker 2: of it, and that I think the day after I'd
55:48
Speaker 2: heard that Ossie had passed away, because I was a
55:50
Speaker 2: bit slow getting to see it. And yeah, it was
55:53
Speaker 2: quite a shock.
55:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, shocking, but boy, what a way to end a
55:59
Speaker 1: career in a lay. It's like you literally like they say,
56:03
Speaker 1: you're gonna die on the stage. I mean, he really
56:05
Speaker 1: came damn close to it. And that's a great way
56:08
Speaker 1: for him to say goodbye to the fans, to all
56:11
Speaker 1: of the you know, pay tribute to all the people
56:13
Speaker 1: that he worked with and all the fans around the world.
56:15
Speaker 1: So it was a it was a fitting end. I
56:17
Speaker 1: just I wish Ozzie was still with us because I'm
56:19
Speaker 1: a huge AUSSI fan and just the guy a body
56:22
Speaker 1: of work that's unmatched between Sabbath and Solo. It's amazing.
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Speaker 1: us about where people can listen to the show? Any website,
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Speaker 1: social media.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and anyway that you grab your podcast from. Just
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Speaker 2: putting in a baron adelaide. So, and I don't have
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Speaker 2: a lot of my historical stuff up because I'm one
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Speaker 2: of the things I'm passionate about is keeping independent. I
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Speaker 2: don't I could get sponsors and I could do it,
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Speaker 2: you know, another way, and make money out of it.
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Speaker 2: But I'm I want to I want to be able
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Speaker 2: to do how I do it, and I want to
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Speaker 2: talk to people I want to talk to. I don't
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Speaker 2: want to be told what to do, and so it
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Speaker 2: you know, it makes there's a not always so much
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Speaker 2: stuff out there.
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Speaker 1: But no, I hear your creative control. You get control
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Speaker 1: over everything. You don't have to anybody like you know.
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Speaker 2: I like to be able to. I don't like to
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Speaker 2: be told, you know, you only have half an hour
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Speaker 2: or you know you can't talk to this person or
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Speaker 2: that person. Well, you know that's important to me, and
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Speaker 2: that's what I love about podcasting. It does give you
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Speaker 2: that freedom. That and my program is on terrestrial radio here,
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Speaker 2: so I can't you know, I can sort of work
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Speaker 2: out as well, and that can sort of do both.
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Speaker 2: That's you know, I'm really I'm really chucked that I'll
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Speaker 2: get to do that.
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Speaker 1: Michael Adelaide, thank you so much for coming on.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Eric, great for talking. Mike Pleasure, absolutely pleasure.
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Speaker 2: Mm hm, that's it. It's in the books.