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Ep. 210: Josh Carney on the Presence of a Feather · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Nor where you stand with on X all right Josh Karney.
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  Speaker 1: The first thing we gotta talk about, Um, you years
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  Speaker 1: old and here on my birthday today, I turned forty,
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  Speaker 1: and you're the first thing you're gonna do is tell
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  Speaker 1: me about how I suck at turkey? Calm, How are
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  Speaker 1: you having right to this day? No? Yeah, I want
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  Speaker 1: I wanted this clearly around. I listen. Yeah, I reckon,
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  Speaker 1: I had never Um, yeah, just tell me about it.
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  Speaker 1: Just hit me, just hit me, hit me. I'm up
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  Speaker 1: because my birthday, So hit me back down again. Man,
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  Speaker 1: give me a good formal critique, Like I'm like, what
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  Speaker 1: am my? What? What areas should I most strive to improve? Man? Um,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't want to break your heart like this
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  Speaker 1: is do it? Break break it up like like if
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna give me um, just trying to make it
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  Speaker 1: like trying to make it seem like you're not being mean,
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  Speaker 1: but like you're being helpful. Okay, Um, your turkey call
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  Speaker 1: is not supposed to sound like a drowning duck in
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  Speaker 1: a pool of um sewage. Yeah, okay, that's helpful. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like you, I'm just trying to help you out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to see duck hunt and
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  Speaker 1: that's appropriate. But what your turkey calling? You know, just
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  Speaker 1: it's cluck cluck perr. Not hit me with a beautiful
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  Speaker 1: turkey call. Oh man, here he goes. It's my style, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I love it with no assistance from calls whatsoever. Sands call,
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  Speaker 1: no diet p rams, no way tax involved, no see
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  Speaker 1: um uh turkey call company tried to uh like, man,
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  Speaker 1: you're really good. Like if I could say you had
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  Speaker 1: to make a lot of money, as I think this
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  Speaker 1: prostitution human traffy is not thinking that about for you know, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I I didn't mean to hit you that with this
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  Speaker 1: one when he came in, but but I had Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I became interested in you. Yeah years ago though. Um
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  Speaker 1: so you're saying you should been stalking me for a while. No,
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  Speaker 1: I happy. I stumbled into you and it was here
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  Speaker 1: like right now, we're in National Tennessee or at the
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  Speaker 1: National Wall Turkey Federation Annual Convention, um, the big show.
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  Speaker 1: And years ago I was here and you were you
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  Speaker 1: were just like on the show floor and there's a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of people gathered around and you were turkey calling,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember being like, how in the world does
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  Speaker 1: this guy do it without? Um the assistance of a
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  Speaker 1: call like just to make the noise. And then then
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  Speaker 1: I just did various bits of research and looked in
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  Speaker 1: and heard, um, you know, a story that you probably
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  Speaker 1: by now maybe you're sick of telling. I'm gonna make
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  Speaker 1: you tell it again and then talk about your life
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  Speaker 1: after that. But uh, explain a little bit so two
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  Speaker 1: thousand five, Um, well, let me backtrack a lot further
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  Speaker 1: than that. So I always grew up honey, right, I
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  Speaker 1: mean that was my passion growing up. And when I
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  Speaker 1: was a little kid, my dad would take me rabbit hunting,
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  Speaker 1: and just you know, I fell in love with doing that.
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  Speaker 1: So I wan't in Louisiana, South Louisiana, where it's hot
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  Speaker 1: and every snake wants to kill you. There. It's a
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  Speaker 1: terrible place to live on cotton tills, don't there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you can avoid cotton mouse, it's uh, it's a
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  Speaker 1: fun place to live. But it's um for me. You know,
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  Speaker 1: growing up there, I there was there wasn't as much
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  Speaker 1: variety um to hont as far as you know the
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  Speaker 1: other states. To me, we had deer and you know,
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  Speaker 1: duck hounting. I never got to duck hunting down there,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, we had a certain amount of animals
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  Speaker 1: that we've been hunt there. Um, so I just kind
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  Speaker 1: of picked and choose what I can hunt. So I
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  Speaker 1: grew up rabbit hunting, and then at the age of eleven,
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  Speaker 1: I uh started doing research and I I want to deer hunt.
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  Speaker 1: So age of eleven, I went out by myself and
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  Speaker 1: took my dad's thirty out six and I killed my
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  Speaker 1: first year. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't even know what. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I killed a button buck and I didn't even know
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  Speaker 1: the difference at the time because I would do until
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  Speaker 1: I've seen the little nubs on the horn when I
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  Speaker 1: got to it. So, uh, that was a rush for me.
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  Speaker 1: What else did you got? What else did you guys hunt? Like,
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  Speaker 1: give me the full game of what you hunted in
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  Speaker 1: those years in southern Louisiana. So for me, my whole
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  Speaker 1: family was a small game hunting family. So you know rabbits,
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  Speaker 1: We had square dogs that actually had competition score dogs. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so we traveled the country with dogs and competitions and
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  Speaker 1: you guys have all the tree and dogs, and you
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  Speaker 1: guys have like raccoon dogs and stuff. Yeah. So my
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  Speaker 1: dad had hounds for um, raccoons, But I just I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to stay up all night chasing behind a
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  Speaker 1: ringtail and just I just you know, I stuck to
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  Speaker 1: my square dog of my rabbit dogs. That was my passion.
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  Speaker 1: So you had obviously separate dogs, right, yeah. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: we had UM. We had beagles for rabbit dogs. We
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  Speaker 1: had um original Mount Curse for score dogs, and I
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  Speaker 1: think he had UM. I think he started out with walkers.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what he kept for coon houses. Walkers.
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  Speaker 1: Did you guys live in the country, No, Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: were in the city. Yeah yeah, what about fifteen dogs?
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  Speaker 1: And and every neighbor he ran into hated you. I
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  Speaker 1: mean we got hate mailk twice a week. It wasn't bad,
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  Speaker 1: but all the dogs, probably because I was in the
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  Speaker 1: front yard skinning recular or something like that. Not technically,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but it was. It was one of those
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  Speaker 1: deals where you know, I just growing up, growing up
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  Speaker 1: back then compared to now so much different that that
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  Speaker 1: was um more acceptable, Like it wasn't it's frowned upon
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  Speaker 1: the back then. Yeah, but like now if I try,
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  Speaker 1: you mean to be like a hunting family out skinning
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  Speaker 1: stuff out and whatnot? Yeah, No, that's ah now in
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  Speaker 1: like today's society and generation like that's frowned up on
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  Speaker 1: and like terribly yeah, you know, even like we live
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  Speaker 1: in in uh southwest Montana, you know, and um, one
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  Speaker 1: of the guys who worked with Seth he had a
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  Speaker 1: he had like a deadhead bocky found, you know, and um,
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  Speaker 1: he had it out in his yard and he could
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  Speaker 1: overhear the neighbors like aghast about this guy's got a
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  Speaker 1: deerhead in his yard. And that's sort of disgusting. It's
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  Speaker 1: like what the world called. It's Montana, man, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So funny story that just actually happened last what's to day, Thursday?
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  Speaker 1: So it happened Sunday. So I just moved through Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: So I got an apartment here. Um I was coming
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  Speaker 1: home Saturday night. I hit a deer. Okay, but this
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  Speaker 1: is about to be a crazy story. So I hates
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  Speaker 1: his deer. And if for people that listen don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in a wheelchair, so I'm truck. I have a
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  Speaker 1: lift to lift my chair. I want it off the truck.
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  Speaker 1: So it had just knits, snowed, the ground's wet, everything
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  Speaker 1: like that, and I'm all right, well, I just hit
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  Speaker 1: this fresh deer and not about to letting get waste.
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  Speaker 1: So I pulled in side road. I backed my truck
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  Speaker 1: up to put the gear and back to the truck.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I could lift it by myself. It turns
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  Speaker 1: out back up, but you're down. Like you get in
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  Speaker 1: your you get in your wheelchair, you're down on the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Any wheelchair. I get out of my truck in my chair,
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  Speaker 1: and then in my chair, I'm in my chair. So
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  Speaker 1: i'd roll around to the deer and I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: like lift it up to put it into bed in
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  Speaker 1: my truck. Huh, Okay, that didn't work out. Cars are
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  Speaker 1: blown past. Actually it was like, this is where it
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  Speaker 1: gets interesting. The road that I was on was closed,
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  Speaker 1: but it's where I lived because of all the flooding
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  Speaker 1: around here. I don't know why it was closed. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why, but I overheard somebody saying that there's
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  Speaker 1: like six counties around Nashville that are closed right now,
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  Speaker 1: and I was thinking, how can you close an entire county. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's been flooding pretty bad, Aim, But I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why the road was closed. But like it was like
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  Speaker 1: only one lane that was closed, So I just kind
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  Speaker 1: of went around the sign um, which I probably shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have done. Um, so I'm sympathetic. I understand. You know,
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  Speaker 1: my house was a mile away from there, so I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's like I'm not driving all the way back
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  Speaker 1: around instead go do it. So I'm trying to lift
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  Speaker 1: his deer up and back in the truck. It doesn't work,
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  Speaker 1: so nobody's coming by, so it's by myself. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, well, I'm just gonna use my lift on
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  Speaker 1: my truck to like hoist his deer up. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like a crane. So I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. So I dragged the deer to
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  Speaker 1: the side of the truck and I try and like
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  Speaker 1: you want this, dear bad listen. I had just I
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  Speaker 1: just got a brand new truck, okay, and if I
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  Speaker 1: hit a deer with a brand new truck and like
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  Speaker 1: a damn it, I'm gonna get something at it. So
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta pay the insurance. Gonna be expensive, deer.
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  Speaker 1: So I uh, I try and like pick the deer
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  Speaker 1: up enough to like get the rope around it so
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  Speaker 1: I could put it on back in my truck, pick
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  Speaker 1: his deer up enough to like where um my body
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  Speaker 1: shifted and my chair rode. I'm up, I gonna be
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  Speaker 1: down the hill. So now I'm sitting on side of
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  Speaker 1: the road with a deer cross my lap. My chair
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  Speaker 1: is gone, and uh, I'm still trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: how we need this. So can wait by the way
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  Speaker 1: and grounds wait. So I finally crawled back to my truck,
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  Speaker 1: get to lift, hook it up, and I uh get
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  Speaker 1: to dear in better truck. What I didn't realize is
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  Speaker 1: I needed to lift to get my chair on back
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  Speaker 1: in the truck. M So now I gotta tear with situations.
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  Speaker 1: I finally get all to take care of the next day,
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  Speaker 1: this is going back to skinning in the yard. The
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  Speaker 1: next day, buddy of mine comes over and uh, we're
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what we're gonna clean his deer at.
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  Speaker 1: Literally we take it to my apartment, through the house
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  Speaker 1: and skintting on the porch. That's good thinking. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: they hear this, I'm probably gonna get you. Yeah, Like
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  Speaker 1: your landlord right now is like, hold on, what's this
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  Speaker 1: dude's name? Yeah, I just running this dude in the place.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, my name is John Travolta. Yeah, Well
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  Speaker 1: show me where it says that in the least, you know. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: was it a bucker dough. It was a small dude,
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  Speaker 1: So you got to the freezer. Oh yeah, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: have a it's probably backtraps this weekend. You got a girlfriend, No,
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  Speaker 1: I do not know, so you don't have anybody cooking
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  Speaker 1: for No, I can't cook with the crap. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna burn his deer. Just let you know. So let's
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  Speaker 1: go back to when you were younger, Like you're loving
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  Speaker 1: and you strike off and go figure out deer hunting. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I figured out and yuh and what kind of
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  Speaker 1: area you hunting and like like like public land or
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  Speaker 1: you guys know people we had, um, friends of my dad's.
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  Speaker 1: We just you know, go hunt in their place and
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  Speaker 1: it's we're hunting the swamp. Sometime we're hunting, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pines and wheezing animal were um, there's
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  Speaker 1: some hardwood timbers, um. But it's it just depends, you know,
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  Speaker 1: every every hundred miles, it's the rain changes a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, you never know what you're gonna get into. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So after that, like the next couple of the next
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  Speaker 1: couple of years, I was like, all right, I'm really
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  Speaker 1: intrigued by deer hunting. So my dad had a cabinet shop.
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  Speaker 1: He's um carpenter, and like he was a working shop.
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  Speaker 1: And while he's there, I'd go hunting. I go back
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  Speaker 1: behind place and hunting, um and then going on a
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  Speaker 1: little further. I h came across turkey hunting magazine, TV
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  Speaker 1: shows or whatever however, found it and I was like, okay, cool,
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  Speaker 1: I want to turkey hunt. You know, I wanna hunt
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  Speaker 1: all year round, so I want to go rabbit hunting morning,
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting afternoon. With spring time. I want turkey hunt.
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  Speaker 1: So and your old man wasn't a turkey hunter. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: nobody know, like saying my final family small game hunting,
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  Speaker 1: Like they didn't know anything about deer hunting, turkey hunting,
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  Speaker 1: none of that. Um. So I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna getting books, you know, go Walmart, by some calls,
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that, just to try and do it. So
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  Speaker 1: we get all that stuff take care of and uh
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  Speaker 1: we go turkey hunting. One Sunday, I church and uh
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  Speaker 1: we're sitting there in middle of day and uh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: about yards with my dad and UM start calling and
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  Speaker 1: I'm an okay, caller at this time, I was okay,
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  Speaker 1: and uh and what what kind of calls were using
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  Speaker 1: back when you used to use calls? I think I had, um, like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: one of those pushbox calls. I think this would have had.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, I don't remember what my I think my
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  Speaker 1: dad had a a slate call. Whatever you had it
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  Speaker 1: sound it's so bad. Here's the worst turkey call ever.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm I'm like, I'm a bit better better than
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  Speaker 1: your dad. It's it's a close race, it's very close race.
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  Speaker 1: So um, how this turkey game like this is? This
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  Speaker 1: is like where I'm gonna take credit from you because
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  Speaker 1: as bad as he called a turkey, steel came in.
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  Speaker 1: So well, here's the thing, man, I want to clarify.
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  Speaker 1: I am deadly on turkey. I get all kinds of turkeys.
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  Speaker 1: I prove a point. Steve called in a turkey for
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  Speaker 1: me last spring. I prove a point by getting I
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  Speaker 1: use my bad I use my my poor calling time
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  Speaker 1: everything everything else I do nice and I you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I drive around in my vehicle now calling to
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  Speaker 1: practice more. But we're not here to talk about We're
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  Speaker 1: here to talk about my So you know this is
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  Speaker 1: this is This is a theory I have about turkey hunting.
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  Speaker 1: Turkey hunky is like dating at a bar. I like
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  Speaker 1: it already. Already. It's like going to a bar. Like
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  Speaker 1: the time that you want. You have to have like
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  Speaker 1: a high class call to get his attention. The later
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  Speaker 1: in the day, the drunker, the worsher call can be,
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  Speaker 1: the more he's interested. Like I said, there's a ten
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  Speaker 1: at two and a two at ten. I go the
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  Speaker 1: same with turkey hunting. You could sound like the worst
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  Speaker 1: hand in the woods at ten o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: He gets away from his hand, no matter that it's
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  Speaker 1: easy bird to kill. If he got what you could
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  Speaker 1: kill him. Yeah, that's interesting. I do kill a lot
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  Speaker 1: of turkeys around ten am. We're just talking about I
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  Speaker 1: like the way we said it better though, you know
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  Speaker 1: to remember that, all right? So I want to keep
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  Speaker 1: tracking what happened. What happened you get into into a
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  Speaker 1: transformed in many levels of transformative accident that you get
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  Speaker 1: into turkey hunt. Are we on like the turkey hunt? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: This is a hunt? Like we, uh, my dad, we
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  Speaker 1: go down this place. We you and your old man
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  Speaker 1: are hunting together. Yeah. Yeah, So we go to a
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  Speaker 1: place where we rabbit hunted, and um, I found if
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  Speaker 1: we're going down its gravel road, I find a feather
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  Speaker 1: in the road. I was a hundred percent sure that
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  Speaker 1: it was a turkey feather. Looking back at it now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was like a hawk feather. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that turkey's on this place. So we
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  Speaker 1: go set up and um, just based off the presence
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  Speaker 1: of a feather, I was thirteen, Steve dogging on it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not dogging on just want to make sure I'm
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  Speaker 1: understand like you like, you're just not you're not hearing
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  Speaker 1: gobbles and whatnot. No, no, no, it's it's like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, ten eleven o'clock in the day. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we just first time. We're just going out there, like
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  Speaker 1: I think he just wanted to shut me up as
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  Speaker 1: a kig, and that's all I talked about. So we
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  Speaker 1: go out there and we, you know, kid yards far
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  Speaker 1: from each other, and he's sitting on one tree and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting on another tree, and we're calling back and forth,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, he had a twelve games of double buck
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  Speaker 1: shots and I had a fourteen. And I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: lie to think I had like a slug in here
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  Speaker 1: or something like that. I was like, it's bigger than
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  Speaker 1: a chicken, shoot a bigger load. Yeah, I mean that's
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  Speaker 1: that was just my mind to you guys. Just weren't
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  Speaker 1: you guys weren't tuned into the rules and whatnot. No, no, first,
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  Speaker 1: turkey hu, I'm not gonna lie to you, Steve, like,
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  Speaker 1: I did not do my research on this part. You're
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  Speaker 1: a kid man, Yeah, it's just you know, one of
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  Speaker 1: those things now, I know, because I never want to
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  Speaker 1: get a shot what Yeah, I mean I grew you know,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of Yeah, when you're young, it was all.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: It's all kind of you don't even need to apologize. Man,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: when you're young at a certain for a long time,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: you're relying on the people around you, like you rely
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: on the people around you to know like what's up
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: and what you're supposed to do. And even when you know,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I found it being young, even when you know stuff
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to do, if the older people around
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you do it, you just took it as being that
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: that's like how you would do it. You know, it's
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: funny that you brought that. I gotta tell tell them, buddy,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: my other day is like growing up as a kid,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: like I didn't know what no trust back, So it
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: was you see what was that went hunting? I mean
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: that was It's a different time period, but I mean
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what a no trust backs. I was
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: my old man would go down the road if if
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: someone had too many up, he'd think it was kind
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: of an eyesore and him, his body, Eugene would go
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: down and they'd take him down. Just different, different, different
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: generation man. And then when you're young, it's like, you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: you have to be pretty old to question your old
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: man like you were your old man's I don't know,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I assume my old man knows what's going on. I
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: know I knew that there was laying there, his animals own,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: and I want to go hunt. So we're calling and
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the turkey comes behind the uh behind the tree I
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: was sitting on and uh, I can see my dad
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: off to my left and he's getting ready and he
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: don't see me, and uh, he don't see because he
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: didn't know where you went and set up well, I
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: mean I was wearing Roald Tree camouflage. I mean, I'm
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: blended with everything. Shout out the road Tree for that,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just joking. So he doesn't see me because like,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: like I said, I'm tucked against a tree, and I
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: think he's more focused on the bird. And when he shoots,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: like before he shoots, like I can see him, like
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: put put the gun up, and like I could see
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the whole like everything going and he puts the gun up.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: The turkey no turkeys behind me, I can't so like, oh,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I'm facing forward. He's to my left by twenty yards,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Like I can't behind behind you, barely behind you. Yeah,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: So I I just stay still on the tree because
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I know that you know something is there. So I
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: just stay still and um, I can look out of
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: the corner of my eye, like I tilt my head
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: just enough to see him click the safety off and
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: pull the jugger, and I see fire. My body goes numb,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: ringing in my ears and like I just can't do anything,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Like my body goes completely numb. He runs over, he
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: picks me up, and uh he's carrying me out of woods.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: And I was like that you shot me. You know,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: he's got nine one in the phone. He's carrying me
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: out of the woods and uh e m s gets
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: there and he put me in the back of um,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the back of the truck. And I was like, this
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: is it. I'm done for Lord, just Lord, just protect
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: my dad. It's it. How many of those buckshot pellets? Seven? Ye?
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I cat hit my esophagus, um, my left arm. I
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: want hit my left arm across my chest. Two of
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: my right arm. I still have one of my pelvits
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: still have one of my right shoulder. Oh, my lunging stomach.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: And one hit my spine T one T two area.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: We're is that it's an upper um, like just right
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: about the um mid chest. One hit your spine mm hmm. Yeah.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: And so that was your last like lower body movement
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: ever was that day? And then the thing is, you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I was, I was a point guard for basketball. I
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: was you know, high up on the baseball. I mean
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I love baseball and basketball. I mean I was had
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: a pretty good athletic thing going on. And uh it's
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: like that in the moment taking away, So I uh
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I get that aside from your general running around in
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the woods all the time, from the sounds up yeah yeah,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, no, I mean you couldn't have had
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: any idea what was going on. I had no idea,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I knew that I got shot. That's all
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: new and you couldn't but obviously you couldn't move no
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: good day, like I had ringing in my ears, body
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: completely numb. Huh, I mean it was. It was pretty
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: much like I was life and I was just look,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I had enough energy to look that's it. And what
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: uh your old man carried you, but he makes a
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: call and just carries you off to where an ambulance
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: can get to. So I get into the back of
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the ambulets and uh, a blackout. The funny thing is,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't know I could get blacker, but I blacked out.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: So I wake up and there's his lights is a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: beautiful blond lady. She's like Josh, Josh. And I looked
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: there like you're an angel. She's like, no, I'm your NURSEU.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: It's like, dang, your always trying to get your wing
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: number one up. And uh. From there, you know, the
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: doctors came in and I had I think I had
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: thirteen surgeries and I died on the operating table twice.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: And I stayed in the hospital for I want to
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: say three months, and they were suscitated. You. Yeah, thirteen
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: surgeries and in within that three months. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Had uh like my whole like under my chest, like
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: from my stomach down like past my belly button, cut open,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: my back, um, from the base of my neck all
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the way down my pelvis is cut open. Um, I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: just cuts down my side. I mean I look like
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Frankinsan just to be a clear vision of it. And
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and were you, um, were you conscious for most of
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: this time part of this time, you know, with the accident.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: So when they transferred me from one hospital to another, Um,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know how it's happened, but they dropped me
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: on a helicopter, so like on the like the guaranty
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: would ever transform me. They dropped me on a helicopter.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: My head hit the base of it and it it
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: put a I don't know, it messed my head up.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Like so if I ever take my hat off, like
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I have a big um like a big missing spot
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: in the scar in the back of my head. It's
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: like my memory is like very bad it from it
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: really so so what like what's the state of your
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: father while this is going on? Honestly, couldn't tell you.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't. I wasn't. I just can't. I
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it was it just your dad as your mom around
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to my mom's around. My whole family is there. But
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I mean being in the hospital of so long, I
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: mean I was on so much medication and you know
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the fact that I couldn't even remember stuff. I don't know.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got you. So you mean like during
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: this month or three months, you don't know what your
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: father or stayed was you're trying to stay alive. Yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just, I mean I knew that I
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: had people come visit me. I mean I I vagualely
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: remember people come to visit me. Um. But other than that,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I think I was so medicated that I slept most
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of it. I mean I just either that or I've
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: blocked it out mentally. And I just I just, like
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I said, honestly don't know. So at what point did
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: it become There's kind of two transitions. I'm curious about
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: what point did it become that you that the dust
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: settles and you know that probably barring some kind of
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: medical you know, breakthrough that doesn't yet exists, you'd like
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: probably never walk again. Uh when do you know that
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: to be true? And then when how long goes by
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: before you're sort of like ready to attack life again.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: So the doctors came in and UH said, you know
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you've been shot. You know you're paralyzed. You want me
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to walk again. But it's I'm not fully paralyzed. Like
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the bullet. It's severed my sponic corp but didn't cut
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: it all the way. So it's the body super weird.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Um So like I can like feel things, I just
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: can't walk. Oh, but it's not like a normal touch.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: It's more like a tangling sensation. It's like for a
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: spontic cordage. I can't regulate my body tempature. So if
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I get hot, it's like I'm you about to pass out,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And I stay cold all time, even if it's like
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: seventy degrees and wind blows because the spinal cord and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I just can't regulate my bodies because it doesn't send
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: those signals to my brain correctly. That's something I've never
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: thought about before. No, no, So I mean I always
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: say it just being like a movement thing. I never
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: think about it being like other other functions. It message,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: it message your whole body up. I mean it just
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: because I mean those the nerves that it trans it
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: goes to your brain and it sends it back down
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to wherever, you know, even your fingers or like you
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: want to move your legs, that all trans goes up
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: your you know. That's I guess it's like a railroad
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: going back up to your brain. You know. Just if
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that if it's cut, there's no signal, it can't receive that,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: so you just don't work. Do you are you able to? Um? Like,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: like if you say you imagine you want to move
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: your leg, do you are you at this point remember
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: like what that felt like to like without thinking about
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you like go to move your leg and it would move,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: like you still have the sense that you can make
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: like the impulse to do it, but it just isn't answered.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: So have you ever heard like like you think it's
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: called phantom like phantom pains. It's more like that. But
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I still have my limbs so I can like feel it,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't really do anything. So I guess like
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: mentally it's there, but physically it's not so and it's aggravating.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: It's it's very aggravating. Um oh, I can only imagine.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I never like when I first started doing therapy, I
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: could have a little bit of like movement in my feet.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Um intentional movement, yes, but I just I guess being
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: in a chair for so long, my muscles just tightened
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: up so much that he just I don't know if
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: he just doesn't I don't know if it's my muscles
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: just too tight, they just can't get the signal, can't
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: get there. I have no and I don't understand it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: So just one of those deals where I just we're
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: all with it and keep going. Uh. Okay, of the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: second part, after your accident, you get clear about what
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: your future is gonna look like that you're probably it's
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: robbly hard to comprehend, but how many months or years
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: goes by before you sort of are like that, You're
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: back in like you're alive, You're a human being here
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: on earth. There's ship you gotta do right, You're gonna
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: like you gotta resume school, find a way to enjoy yourself.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Like what is the gap? Like two weeks I got
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to the hospital and uh two weeks two weeks after
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: me now the house whenever, right back, honey, no ship, Yeah,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you gotta be toughier. Who stupid? Who did that decision?
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: It was me? So um the thing was like I
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: was being babied so much and I didn't like that,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you know, and um, maybe which is one of those
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: deals where I just like I don't want to be
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: baby like that stuff happens, Like I'm not gonna be
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: sitting here and be someone's like burden. And that's what
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I felt like. I felt like a burden to my
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: family's take care of me. I mean, that's just my
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: whole life just changed. So, um, one day my mom
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: was in the house. I was like, look, I went
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: hut and she's like what and she was like, I
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: will finish killing you, like you're you're not going hunting
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: like so, uh, that day I made her very mad
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: because I went back hunting in the wheelchair obviously. So
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: from that point, I had to uh learn how to adapt.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it was a hell of a
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: challenge and it still is, you know nowadays. But going
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: from like using your limbs and then like transferring to
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a chair and trying to figure out how to get
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: across logs and rocks and stuff like that, that's hard
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: as hell. Like that's challenging, but that challenge is what
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: drives me, Like, that's what makes me want to do more,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: like if I see something that I can't do or
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's not in the card, like that
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: makes me insane, Like that makes me want to do
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: it even more so going out after the accident that
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: made my drive and pass. We're honey so much more.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: This guy, this sounds like a dumb Maybe it's not
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a dumb question if you can think about it this way.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: What you know, you're only thirteam when you when you
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: were injured, But what percent, like what percentage of the
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: places right that you might normally have gone became just
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: inaccessible to you? I mean, yeah, yeah, so you were
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: off stopping through the swamp and oh yeah, it's I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: mean honestly, like I could roll through the yard. I
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: was gonna ask, like your home situation, yea, Like did
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: your dad have to do some serious carpentry work on
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the bomb? Yeah, I mean I had to like get
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a ramp and like like everything had to be modified.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I mean just I mean the house at stairs had
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: to get a ramp or um widden bathroom doors or
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: whiten doors for um, the bedroom where um making cabinets
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: lower for me to get into them, and stuff like that.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, like everything at that moment changed. I mean
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you go from you know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: having a normal life to like you mean it's pretty
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: much having to depend on someone or have things accessible
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: for you, um and your lifestyle. I mean it's just
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: like in a instant, it just changed. So I mean,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: like saying your daily activities. You know, if I just
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: wanted to you know, get up and go take shower whatever,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, it took me a lot longer to just
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to do that, um, like getting dressed. I mean it
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: make may have taken me, you know, three minutes to
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: get dressed normally. I mean that transferred their fifteen minutes.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: You know, just because I have I have to pretty
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: much my arms and my my my arms and my
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: my crutch for my legs too. So it just it
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: just makes it a lot, makes things a lot harder.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I think transferring from like my chair to a car
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to a tub or two, the mad all that made
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: it so much challenging. And then liked thirteen years old,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: like I was a scrawning kid, Like I didn't have
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: much at all to throw my weight around. So I
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: mean it just it made everything that much more challenging.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: What was how was your dad doing like, like, once
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: it was clear that you were okay and you were
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: ready to get back on it, was your dad just
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: so guilt ridden that he was he wasn't able to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: function or was he able to be a dad, to
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: do a good job being a dad despite that guilt. Honestly,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I really I don't know. I mean, like, once I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: started getting back into, um, the hunting side of things,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I think that it made him a little bit easier
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: about situation, knowing that I wasn't letting it stop me.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: So I think that was like a settling point. I mean, obviously,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you in the back of his mind,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you know, he's like, okay, well he goes this is
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you know, because of me. Um. I mean, I'm pretty
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: sure you had guilt for that, But that time period,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I just I just don't remember that much. Do you think, like,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: looking back on it, do you think that um, for
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a dad in a situation like that, do you think
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: it's better for the dad to just carry on and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: be strong or do you or do you think of
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: someone wants to see the guilt. Honestly, I don't. I mean,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: it's life, life happens. I mean, no, you you have
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: no control of the cards, So holding yourself at blame
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and being guilty or having that guilty conscious about it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, of course, you know you're gonna think about
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: it's gonna beaning back of your head and all that stuff,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: because you know that's that's life. You're here human, that's
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. But I don't think. I think guilt
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: will um drive you to an early grave if you
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: let it. And I think him seeing me push forward
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and not letting it get a hold of me made
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: him a lot stronger. Oh that's an interesting way you're
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: looking at it. Yeah, did what was your feeling about?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: And you've been injured by a firearm, But I mean
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you started hunting right away. You didn't have any sort
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: of like you didn't have um fear of or anger
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: towards toting a shotgun around the woods, like you didn't
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: look at it like, man, that's the thing that almost
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: took my life. Actually I did. I kind of had
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: like a honestly steals it this day, I'm very weary
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: around some firearms. That's why I love both hunting so much.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I've got to bow hunting. I
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: think it's like fifteen sixteen, and I just really stuck
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: with it. I mean, I don't try a lot of people. Gods,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: it's not it's not the it's not the fact that
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I don't trust them. It's just the fact that it's
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: it's a man made item and anything you're wrong ang time.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: So I mean, I guess I kind of have a
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: little bit of PTSD towards it. But that's understandable. I mean, yeah,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I could also understand you said, and I never went
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: in the woods again. Yeah, now, but I um, but
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: even I'll carry I'll shoot an animal to rifle me.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: That doesn't bother me. But still at certain points, like
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: it's just I just I have that PTSD. They just
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: like that that mental images in my head. I just
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: sometimes just freaks me out. Board than anything to tell
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: people about, Um, how you became interested in in turkey
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: calling and realized that somehow you're injury like manifested in
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: such a way that you were able to have this
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: like super special talent. How that's easy. I didn't have
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: friends growing up. I'm just joking. So, um, well, I
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: didn't know if you could tell me that your friends
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: bailed on you because you were in a wheelchair. I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: don't know, no, uh, then the herd a little bit. Yeah,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: so uh in high school, like I was like, like
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the cafeteria is like half a mile from the school.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: It's like I had to get people to like push
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: me down to the cafeteria. Stuff like that just became
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: a pain. Like I felt like it was such a
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: bird to like my friends and family. So I just
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I think my high school years started making me very
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: independent and I'm grateful for that. Like really, yeah, I'm
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: super grateful that, um because the fact is, like I
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: live by the school. Like you don't know who you
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: are as a person until you were absolutely alone, and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: you know I was. I guess I was comfortable, um
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: being a dependent there, like depending on someone until I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: didn't have that someone and then figure out who I
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: was as a person and leaning on myself more. Becoming
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: more independent made me truly, um, like I don't know,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: it made me super interested in myself, like my capabilities,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: like what makes me tick? Like what's my passion with
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: drives me? And I think that's what, um, those high
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: school years did to me, because I mean I had friends,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: but I had to fend for myself. You know, um,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I had people, my friends are going to lunch and
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: just you know it's like, oh, you know, we forgot
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: about Josh. And I'm like, all right, cool, I'm sitting
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: here waiting on somebody to help me with launch. You know,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: it's already an hour pass and I still it eating.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: So you know, I just it built me. It started
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: building my character. Um so I'm appreciative of that. Oh
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: but man, I can imagine that just by no fault
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: of your own, it could just is easily destroy your character. Man,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: some people, no, I mean your person becoming just like uh,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: sociopathics not the right works that has like such a
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I guess, like just like losing faith in people. Yeah.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: So I mean I was, you know, early on in
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: my my years, I was at that point like I
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: was how I was in such a bad place I was,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: you know, I felt like I was a bird everybody.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've contplated suicide. I mean I went through
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: that whole route of depression, but having a mindset of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: you know, God left me here for a reason, and
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I battled God, I'm not gonna sit here lot to you.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I mean I was like, you know, you say you
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: love your child, Why would you do this to me? Like? What? What? Like?
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: What were you thinking? Like? I had my battles, you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I faced my demons and I've I've been down that route.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: But you know, being able to appreciate the little things
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: in life makes it so much better as you keep going.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Cherishing knows moments, I mean, And I think that's what
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: got me through my darkest times was realizing that even
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: though I had lost my legs, I still had so
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: much more um you know, just being able to um
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: sit back and be like, Okay, I still have life.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: You know, I still can breathe. You know, I still
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: can do what I want to do, even though I
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: have to do it a little bit different. You know,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: it's not worth me, you know, committing suicide or like
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: taking myself away from my family, even though like I
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: felt like that was a better where it's just an
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: exit plan, you know, but it's not. It's not a
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: good exit plan. When you thought about when you thought
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: about suicide, was it were you imagining that it's um
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that it takes you out of it, like it takes
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: you out of yourself, or you imagine it takes you
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: away from all the people that you don't want to
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: be that. You don't want to feel like a burden too,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: like who are you doing a favorite to you or
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: your family? For me, I felt like it was more
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: of a favorite to my family like suicide would have
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: and that. Yeah, yeah, but I mean still like just
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: obviously like it's like intense depression. Oh yeah, you know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: super intenste depression like I was because like I said,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I mean I had to depend so much on other
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: people and they had to go out of ways just
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: to make sure that I was doing something or like
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I was better, like I had to take medicine or
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: like whatever the situation was. I felt like I was
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: such a birden on other people that it may be miserable.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: We'd eat me up inside. Well, just the thinking of
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: like you know what you said, Well, now it's an
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: extra fifteen minutes to get dressed, and it's an extra
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: ten minutes to do this, and extra this much time
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: and this much time just and then to and that's
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: just to navigate normal everyday life and then be like,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: but I'm also going to try to still hunt. It's
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: just like the layers of complication. It just had to
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: have been so daunting early early on especially you know,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I remember the writer Jim Harrison, who we talked about
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: a fair bit um. He used to suffer from horrible depressions,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: and he described one time being in such a state
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: of depression that it was like he couldn't picture getting
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: dried off with a towel after getting out of it. It
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: It just seemed like too much of a hassle. And
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: he talked about a friend of his one time demonstrating
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: a very quick efficient way to dry off with a
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: towel after the shower, and him trying to like memorize
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the how to do it because even that was just
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: more than he wanted to deal with in that in
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: that state, right, it's made a depressure right there. I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: mean at least did a shower as a plus side. So, uh,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: talking about the Turkey column man. So with my accident,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: like so, I had a bullet hit my soft case. Um,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I had a breathing to my throat for a very
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: long time, and the doctors came in and said, well,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: you won't be able to talk again. You're gonna need
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: a trake. And when he told me that, I was like,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: you're wrong, No, I pulled. I actually pulled the tube
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: out of my throat. I totally doctors like, now you're
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: wrong and what I did so he thought like you
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: could talk, but they're gonna do something to you that
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: it will make it that you can't talk. The breathing
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: tub was in my throat for so long that it
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: damaged my vocal cords. So I was gonna need a track,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: like I was gonna have to talk with the Oh
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I'm with you now, I got you, I got yeah,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: and there this is just like an accepted it. Dude.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: It's Louisiana, our medical studies. It's not that great. Yeah,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: so it's just like oh you know yeah and yeah,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: had you listened to him, that's what would have happened. Yeah. Yeah,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: So um, I just I guess it was like itching
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: or whatever. So I just I pulled his day on
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: two out of my throat and it altered my vocal
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: cords and or pulling the tube mountain dude. Yeah. So
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: like I had to get us to like voice therapy
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: after that, and like being thirteen, like my vocal cords
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: never really matured. So like, yeah, but I wouldn't get
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, sitting here talking to you now, I wouldn't
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: get that sense mm hmm. Yeah, my vocal cords is
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: never really matured, So I don't even I guess I
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: don't even really know what that means, man, because I mean,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: like anyone listening right now, anyone listening right now that
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't be like, wow, it's it's not like it's
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: not like you know, I'm trying to think, it's not
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: like talking to a kid. So okay, So so you're
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: bringing that point up, So like I don't sound like
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: a kid, but I can still hit a very higher
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: pitch for for my age or whatever, because when I
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: have acted, like saying, my vocal cords never fully matured
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: because I had it to my throat and alter my
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: vocal cords. So that's why I can go from like
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I'm talking now to like a freaking screaming out google.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, just because those vocal cords never really matured
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: and I could hit notes like a soprano. Give me
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: an example of behind. No, we're gonna get kicked out here,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: but all right, I can take zanta fe off here.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: You are you spell? Or you want to I want
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: to specle Billiana Olk? Oh yeah, so is this like
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: a thing you realized or just start learning how to
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: make turkey calls, So I think, uh, what year was
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a two thousand? Summer two thirteen, I went to an
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: outdoor express show in Louisiana and this guy was trying
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: to sell me a turkey call, and I was like, no,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I don't want to buy a turk call. Obviously I
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: didn't want to buy a turk call. They've been a
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: church shot turkyani. So like that was like, no, I
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: think for me, you yeah, so um you better. So
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: he was trying to like sell what his call like
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: it sounded terrible, and uh me be like, I'm not
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: a lie, like I grew up playing sports his point
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: guard picture all that time. I was a little cocky
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: when I was younger. So this guy was like trying
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: to sell me turtle. He's playing like it's like that
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: don't sound it good? So what kind of call you use? Me?
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Me a kid, a little cocky kid like I can
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: do in my mouth, had no idea could do it,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: no idea. He was like, well, let's hear it. Like crap.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: This guy called me out of bluff and I was like,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: all right, do it again, and he did it. And
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I did the best that I couldn't mimic it. The
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: owner of the company turned around and said, is that
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: our call? He's like, no, that's a kid, and they
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: ran me away from the booth. Really, so I went
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: to uh inside inside of the expo and uh. Another
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: guy was like, hey, that's pretty cool. Like I'm I
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: feel like I just a compiens up. So I'm going
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: around you practicing tune it out because I mean, I
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: just got ran away from a Turkey color movie because
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: it sounded good, and like a guy noticed it. It's
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: like it sounds pretty good. Like what else can you do?
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just learned this ten minutes ago,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: so um, you know, people start getting like, oh that's cool,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: like can you do this animal or this animal? This
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: an I don't know. So I started like YouTube and
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: animal sounds and I just like with practice. But the
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: way that that break it down is I would get
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: an animal, figure out what sound it makes, and put
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: it to the closest word, and I break that word
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: down until it gets to that sounded. I just what's
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: your word for a turkey yop? I think it's just yelp,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: but it's like a it's not it's not full, it's
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: not a full YELP. So if I'm if I try
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: and explain how to do a turkey call to someone, um,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I would say, um uh it's yeo y e l P.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Then you go y e e e l l P.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Help help, help, and then you you extend that word.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: But in the cadence off, you want to have your
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: at the end of you want your pitch to go
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: just a little bit higher. So you want to you know,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: flood of your your your tongue just a little bit
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: just to get that that full pitch out. And then
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: once you get that down, you know, you just want
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: to speed it up just a little bit. So then
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: a little rasp on there too. So that's a part
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: of the like the whole pool and two about so
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: like I can like get to like a raspy pitch
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: or like it gets like a older like a growl
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: to it. I mean I can throw like three different
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: turkey calls at you know, in a sequence. So um
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: so when so at this point you're starting to learn
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: out of call, but you're not at turkey hunt, so
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: you probably marry this with the turkey hunting pretty soon, right,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking, like this is such a killer
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: skill for a very specific crowd that you're no longer
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: associated with. Yeah, so here's the deal. Here's the deal
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: said like after this show, like people like, Okay, well
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: what does can you do? It's like I don't know
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: and not. This is like when Facebook was like becoming
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: like I was getting to use Facebook a little bit more,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: like said, this is two thousand and thirteen. Like I
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: think I was still like twenty years old something like that.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: So I was just learning about Facebook and I think
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I was just driving out a road one day, just
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: being I don't know, just being a a dork, and
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, turkeys is coming up, and I did
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: this video and I posted and like people start sharing
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: like oh dude, like you sound pretty good, Like you're goofy,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: but you sound pretty good. And people start sharing like,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: well what else kingdos? I don't know? And uh they're like,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: well they had this like animal call challenge they going
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: on Facebook because I made like some sounds and uh.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: This is like going towards the end of two thousand thirteen.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: And then it got to the point where um, somewhat
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: a buddy of mind notice it and he's like, hey,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: you need to come to a t A. I don't
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: even know what a t A is. He's like, it's
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: like a big archie trade show. I mean everybody goes there, like, Okay,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I'll see what I can do. I had no intention
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: to one you thought you should go there to do
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: what though, and just I don't know. I guess to
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: hang out and call I don't know, like I don't know.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: He was like, you just need to go, all right,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: cool whatever, I'll go. But but I say that, but
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I was shooting competition archery two, So like I guess
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what he was thinking. Okay, so simultaneous
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: to the animal thing like your hardcore shooting. Yeah. Yeahs
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Like after my accident, that drove me like further into
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: wanting to do it more like my accident, like it
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: it put a feel inside of me to want to
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: do it more. Are you shooting against um? Like, are
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: you shooting against other people who are wheelchairs and just
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: shooting general? I'm shooting against everybody. Huh yeah, you got
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: right back in there, man. Yeah. And so this is
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: competition archery like shooting targets three three D shoots. Yeah,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: so your body's like I don't want to really, but
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: your body's like, hey, man, go to a t A. Yeah,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: And you're like, I don't know why, but I will go. Yeah.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: So and then I met another friend of mine, uh curse,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: and she was She's like, yeah, I'm going to a
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: t A. Let's meet up bear, because like, I've met
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: these people from making an animals sounds on Facebook. I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: mean that's how I I met these people. It sounds yeah, man,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: looking back at it, it sounds funny, but so um
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: the Facebook animal sound making. Yeah, I was like Dr
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Doolittle online, but I talked to animals in a different way.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: So it was like, all right, let's go to a
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: t A and let's just like I had to meet
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: up all right, cool? So I go and um, I
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: mean my buddy robbed and invite me hang out with him.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Everything's fine and kursten Um. She was like, hey, let's
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: go around the show. It's like all right, cool. So
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: we're going down this owl and I see Jim Shocking
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: like he's like one of the only people I knew
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: at this show. I see Jim Shocking and I freaked
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: out and have a fangirl moment. Big nine ft tall dude. Yeah, yeah,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I freak out. I have a fan girl moment, so
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I think, oh my god, there's Jimp Shocky and she
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: was like, do you want to meet him? I was like, no,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: he's busy to get people around. He's just busy. So
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: this girl goes through the crowd, like parts of the
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: crowd like Moses Partner the Red Sea, and she's like, Hey, Josh,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: this is Jim Jim, this is Josh. I'm so freaking scared,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: like I don't say, hey, I freaking goose honky Jim Shocky.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: My nerves stick over so bad that I go was
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: honk at this guy and he's like, did you just
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: honk at me? I was like, hey, I guess I
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: don't know that's what you're saying. Can I guess? I
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: don't know? I was so nervous. So he's like that
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: was pretty good, Like what else can you do? Like
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: he makes some other sounds. So I just started like
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: doing sounds, and like somebody took out a cell phone
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: and videoed it, and uh, it got posted on Jim's
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: page and got posted on Even's page. And then like
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: some other people are around and like they just saw
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: me doing these sounds. So like the whole show I
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: was going around making calls for everybody, and like that's
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: how I got my start. Like I went from me
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: nobody from South Louisiana to when I got home, like
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: my social media exploded, like it got really weird really quick.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Um it just because because I'm from a small town
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: like I was, I was that kid that was like
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: so um, I didn't it wasn't sheltered, but I was
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: in my own little world, especially coming from an accident
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and you know, figuring out figuring out life. Still now
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I'm in like the public eye, like everybody wants to
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: know like who you are working to do and stuff
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: like that. That's scared hell out of me. Like I'm
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: not even a lot to you. Um. It just was
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: so different only from you know, being from a small
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: town and being exposed to the world and you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: you get all these people from all over the places,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: you know, sending you messages and things like that, I
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: want to be friends. You have no idea who they are,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: So I mean it was it was a culture shock
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: for me, honestly, and it became like it became like
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: a business for you for a while. Yeah, Like explain
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: that though, like like what like like what specifically, were
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: you being did you want to being paid to do?
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I honestly cannot, Like if someone wants to do this
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: as a business plan, I cannot give you a guideline
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: to do. I will not recommend you go out get
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: shot Josh Carney path to business. It's not it's not
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: honking strangers. No. Well, I mean it's a little weird nowadays,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: but just that I wouldn't. I would not recommend that. Um.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: But you know, so I was, you know, doing these
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: interviews for like radios and like radio shows and like
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: just like no, like same stuff on my Yeah, yeah,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: but I was doing it like at the shows and stuff.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Like people contact me like hey, like you know you
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: do you want to come to an event? Like you know,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: we heard your story, Like do you want to come
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: speaking to the event or wherever? It's like my my
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: first event was at a church in uh across at Arkansas,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. As a look, I've never did
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: public speaking in my life. I don't know why are
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: you're calling me? You got the wrong guy? Like I
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: barely know how to make animals. Sounds like I just
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: learned that an hour ago. But what were they wanting you?
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: To come do. They wanted me to tell my story
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: of how I overcame UM, how I got from a
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: hunting accident to getting over it and getting back into
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: um hunting. So that's what I did. I stumbled my
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: way through that first show. But the good thing about
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: it that was funny m hm. So I did comedy
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: before I got to the hunting industry, so I was
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: able to throwing a serious point covered with a joke,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: so like, I always kept the audience attention. So that
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: right there is like what kind of built me into
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: getting and speaking? So this show here is my first
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and like after that it went well so that well,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: maybe I can do another one from there. I just
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: change a little change style. You know, did things, you
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: tweaked the little things here and there, and I got
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: better at it. And from there more people like, Hey,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: do you want to come speak at the event? Do
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: you want to come to a seminar? Do you want
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: to come UM host a disabled hot like do you
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: want to do more stuff? I'm like, yeah, who's managing
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: all this for you? I was doing it at the time.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I mean I was, I was a young dumb and
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't I I was, but you're doing paid gigs, right,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I'm doing paid gigs. But you're you're just like, here's
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: my fee, and negotiated and contract on a like. At
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: that time, starting out, I had a a really cheap
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: fee because I didn't know what I was doing. I
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: had enough to like, hey, yeah, cover my gas, my expenses,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: feed me and give me a hotel. I'll be there.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I had no idea when it came to business. So
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well, I'm doing enough of
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: these shows for cheap. Let me start charging, all right.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, cover my expenses five
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: from the bucks, I'll do it. That became all right,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: well it's you know, it's it's getting better. Now I
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: got a little money, I can go go back home,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: have you know, a little bit to play with. You know,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: it's like cool. I like that. From there, I started developing, Okay,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: well I'm getting more work than um. Then the the money,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't I was doing, dude, But I
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: was overworking myself because I was on the road a lot.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I mean I think two thousand fifteen, I hit like
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: two sixty days on the road. No. Yeah, but all
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: with hunting industry stuff. How much did it when you're
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: doing this to your talk about all the time. And
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I'm guilty right now because I'm interviewing you right now,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: But how much should it become like did never be
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: did you ever get in your head where you sort
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: of had a hard time that you would separate you
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: like as a fully formed person with like that you
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: are like this embodiment of a story, mean that like
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: you have like a narrative. You were injured horribly, um,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: you started hunting and you have this this gift to
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: to do animal calls, um, and people just wanted to
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: be like again and again and again and again, tell
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: me about that, Tell me about that, Tell me about that.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Does that cause like an identity crisis? Yeah? Yeah, it
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: actually does so honestly, So like going it's it was
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: super weird for me getting a guest to so like
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I had to live two different lives. Like when I
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: was at events or shows or whatever, I had to
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: be the son of the South, like that's what I
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: went by, a son of the South. So I had
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: a strictly show presence that I had to stick to.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: But outside of it, when I was like family friends,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: like I was Josh Carney, like I was just let's
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: hang out, cut out myself. But when I went to
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: a show, I was in that strictly like that entertainment mode.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Is it Is it a requirement that you as not
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Josh Carney, but you as the son of the South.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Is it a requirement of the son of the South
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: that the son of the South is in a good mood?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I'm always in a good way, that's the thing. Though
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: you're able to do it. Yeah, I'm always in a
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: good like. I mean, life has challenged me enough that
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I understand, like, bad things happened for a moment, and
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: you can't let it ruin a day. So I made
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: if something like bad happens, once it's over it, it's
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: over with, you know, just keep moving forward. I mean,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: don't let sixty seconds of your day ruined the other
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: twenty three hours and minutes. Dude, I'll lose two weeks
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: off sixty seconds. No, I haven't been forged by fire, right, Yeah,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I mean you just you just it. There's a lot
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: of people like it takes a bigger person to do,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: and I think that's that's where I'm at. I mean, like,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: I just don't let a lot of things bother me.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, something can always be worse, and I think
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: being able to like like over the years, I've done
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: things with events with like kids with like cancer, like
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: terminal illnesses and things like that, I think that humbled
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: me as a person, Like they truly humbled me. Like
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: I understand, like I'm in a situation, but there are
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: people out there in worse situations i am, and they're
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: happy about it, like they're grateful for what they have.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: So if I was bitter because I can't use my legs, like,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: that's efficient me. So I mean, knowing that it could
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: be worse, it's something that makes me more positive. So
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: if I have a bad moment, I don't let it
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: affect the rest of my day. Well, we before we
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: started recording, we talked a little bit about, you know,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: your sort of view of operating within the hunting industry
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: and you grew tired of it. Like what's sort of
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: like defined the hunting industry for me? You know, I
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: mean and and and tell me like what it means
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: to grow tired of it or want to move beyond
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: it because you went to do you do like a
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: totally different line of work. Now, yeah, I'm a totally
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: different lot of work, so for me. So the thing
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: about the industry for me was like six years in it,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: like I was m I don't want to say I was.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be blunt. I was overworked, underpaid. Like when
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I went to a show, I was always someone's puppet,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: like do this, do that, do this, do that, and
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: like I never got a reward out of it, you know.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, we're just gonna use you for
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: like your social media or like whatever you bring to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: the table, and he and day. If we don't want you,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: we just don't want you. You know, do X y
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Z for us and we don't get you don't get
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: anything out of in of it, you know. And doing
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: that for so long it made me really bitter towards
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: the hunting industry because it was always give me, give me,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: give me, and I never got anything return. I mean
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I met some good people along the way, but if
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: it wasn't for speaking events that I was doing, I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: would have never made an industry. I mean it it
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: broke me down financially, mentally, like physically, like I was
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: on the road so much trying to pursue this image
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: that I had built in the hunting industry just to
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: stay afloat, and like I was. I was, I was
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: expected to do so much from the audience and from
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: you know, companies that wanted me to promote them for nothing.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: So that's where the whole persona But do you think
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: it's like but don't you think it's because of just
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: lack of management? You know that too. But so two
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: thousand seven, I think that that could probably that could
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: happen to many many people. Yeah, So two thousand seventeen,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I had I hired a business one. So let me
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: let me backtrack. So when I talked, I was talking
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: to you guys earlier. So I had a guy that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: was trying to be my manager. He was a credential
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Let me let me just say like he was a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: used carse that was when if that says anything, okay,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: So he was a sneaking of grass. So he wanted
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: to be my manager, like very shady chica dude. Um.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: But at the time I didn't know, I didn't know
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: what manage it was. I was having fun. I was
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: making a little bit of one here, and it got
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: to the point where um, the things like I was
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: more of a um token item for him to put
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: money in his pocket. So learning that started burning a
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: lot of bridge for me. So finally got rid of
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: him and I went back to doing things well. So
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I met this girl, um, this lady Heather Shepherd, and
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: she's my business partner. So we met. She booked me
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: for an event. It was her her family event, and
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: she booked me forward. I mean, from booking it to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: be getting there to the show's over, everything was like
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: to the t um like she's like, hey, Josh, you
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: know you have to be at this place at this time.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: You have to be here, here, your brakes here. You know.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Everything was like to a t um I think at
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: the end of the show, like her name went from
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Heather to boss lady, Like I mean, she was just strictly,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: you know, focus on making sure that everything was in
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: line and right. So after that show, UM, I approached like, hey, listen,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: like I really don't know what the hell I know
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: it and from seeing you work and how you um
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: handle business, I want you as a part of my team.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: So she came on board with me, uh and thinking
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: too that the seventeen and um we've worked together flawlessly
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: from the air. So she took over that management position
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: for me. So if someone wanted me to do a
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: gig or event, I pulled myself out of it. I'd
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: introduced to her, she take care of it. That became
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: a lot better for me. But at that time when
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: that's happening, I was already at the point where I
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: was starting to get worn out and so like if
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: it didn't fit, like you know, quieterias like Okay, I'm
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: not gonna drive from Louisiana oil mean just to go
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: on a free trip for exposure, you know, So just
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: things like that. But as far as getting the sponsorship deals,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't understand that of a business. And she was
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: so new to the industry at that time too that
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: we were both learning. So I don't think it at
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: the time. I think the way that we went about
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: it could have been done a lot better. But I
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: think it was a little too late for they also,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: So at what point did you decide that, let me
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: put it this way, when you got burned out on
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: sort of servicing the hunting industry in that community, Um,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: was your interested your interest in hunting go away? As well?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Are you actively hunting right now? Are you just done
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: with it? So two thousand eighteen was like my breaking
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: point for the hunting industry. I had I want to say,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: probably eight detent SI bolsters and like we had like
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: we were working like so with me. It had that
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: we were working on contract agreements making sure everything was
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: like right for the following you, to make sure everything went.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: This is sponsorships. That where they're giving you gear. Now,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: this is monetary sponsors and we're starting to make money now.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: So Um, we have agreements lined up. And back to
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: the back to the other guy that was trying to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: be my manager. I did a hunt with him, Um
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: and Texas, him and another guy. They made a video
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: of me. Um. Obviously, I can't put my my leg
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: on a turkey to stop it from flopping, so they
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: put my wheel on a turkey, and I mean, I'm
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: not gonna sit here a lot to you. I mean
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: that was quote unquote my legs. So walk me through
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: like you shoot a turkey, shoot a turkey, and this
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: is all being filmed. Yeah, so I shoot a turkey. Um,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: turkeys on the ground and like we're doing like the
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: b roll and stuff like that, and they wanted to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: make a video of me. Um. The whole storyline for
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: this episode was me conquering, getting over Turkey, onting accident,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: getting back to Turkey hunting. That was the whole storyline,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: which is a story you're familiar with. Yeah, I was
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: gonna say, yeah, yeah, so affect killer story after shoots Turkey,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: like they're doing a film and everything like that, birds
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: on the ground, They're like, okay, well, you know, just
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: like now you're in a wheelchair, Like this is the mindset.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: You're in a wheelchair because of Turkey. Hulley like, now
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: we want to make it look like you conquered you
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: know this, like you just slay the dragon. So like
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: all right, you know, just like just put your wheel
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: on the turkey's head like you just like defeated it. Yeah,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: this is like my first big like TV show. Deal man,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I just seeing where this is going, you get it's
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: so easy to get steam rolled, Yeah, because you're with
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: all these people and they know what yeah, and you're
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: not familiar with yet. You don't know, you don't understand that,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: you don't understand the end product, had no idea, but
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: the end product is like that's that's what I'm getting to.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: So it was like it wasn't even like a like uh,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: terrible shot like it was just my wheel on a turkey.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: I mean I see people put their foots on the neck.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: I just had a wheel on it. That wasn't even
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: the turkey. Like the worst thing I did that shot
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: him in the face, the worst they could have done
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: a turkey. So yeah, like preceded earlier shot with the gun. Yeah,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to stop flopping. I mean, like obviously
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: the turkey gets back up, I can't run behind it.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: So I mean if I put my wheel in her head,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: he can't go anywhere, all right. So the guy and
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: his part of whoever he was working with, they put
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: a video together like I had, um it was it
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't even it was the firm producer and editor. Video
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: sucks so bad, Like a six year old could have
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: did better. Like they had video like the b rolls
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: like me looking at the turkey, like fanning it out
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: and like just showing like me showing the coloration of
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: the feathers and everything, and then like it goes to
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: a scene where like my wheel is on a turkey
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: head and like that was the finished product. So this
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: this guy, it's it's like a terrible video. So the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: guy like you, hum, it's meant to be that it's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: all one continuous action. You you admire turkey and then
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: lay it back down and run it over. I guess
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: that's what they're trying to proceed. But it was such
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: a terrible video. Oh but it was enough to make
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: sponsors have an easy way out. So this guy, so
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: I was doing um seminar that shows and speaking events
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: things like that, and I had I was started getting
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: monetary sponsors. The sky whoever I was working with affiliated
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: with this guy said that the video too, and like
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: I lost a lot of money over the stupid stuff.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: I mean like a lot of money because of a
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: video of me shooting a turkey. And then like at
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: this time, this is like when um, I don't know
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: if you guys remember like the the big Beal thing
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: when he shot that elk or whatever and left it.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: It's just like in Walming then yeah, oh well yeah
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: shot shot accidentally hit a second old Yeah. Yeah, So
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: this is like around that same time period, which is
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: totally like that part of it shooting elk and and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: accidentally getting another one. That could happen lots of people,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: but whether or not you to it. Yeah, So the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: companies that saw this video, like, oh well, there's too
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: much pressure on the hunting and issue right now. We
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: don't need this being a part of our business floating
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: around because you put your wheel on a turkey the head.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: So it's an easy way out. So I started losing
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: contracts like but like, okay, I haven't seen this video.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Is Let's say I went into one of these sponsors
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: that you lost to deal with and I said to them, like, hey,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: what happened with I understand what happened with Josh Karney?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Like what went on there? Like do your best job
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: of telling what? They would say honestly, don't know, but
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: you don't know that they like you can't picture like that.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: They would have a different story than what you're telling me.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: It's like he put his wheel, said all that it was.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: I put my wheel on a turkey's head. It's it.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: They're like, okay, well, honestly, it was an easy way out.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: But easy way out implies that they wanted out. They
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well we don't have the budget this year.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like, okay, well now we have Oh whoa,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: you're doing this. That's not what we want to represent
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: as a company. And then the video was perceived as
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: such that it was um or being it was being
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: pushed as something disrespectful against animals. But okay, I don't
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: I don't want to like belabor this video issue, but
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: it sucks so bad. Was the video? Was the video though?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Was the video in the end? Was the video meant
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: to do what it was supposed to do? Or did
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: the video they put the video out there to be damaging.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: They put it out to be damaging, so they weren't
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: like trying to make something great like so this was
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: this was filmed for a TV show. They took enough
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: of the footage from that to splice it down to
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: make this video to send to the companies. So it
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: was like it was intentional. Yeah, they had a it
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: was a vendetta for something, maybe you don't even know
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: what that the owner of the show and the producer
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: got to it. And the producer was the guy that
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: was trying to be my manager. So the owner of
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: the show, once they got to it, the guy was
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: trying to take down everything that the producer had. And
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: I was in that mix of it. And at that
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: time I was being very successful and I was on
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: a lot. I had a lot of tension on me.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: So it was a very easy and it was very easy.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: I was a very easy target. I mean even hectic
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: that the guy still tries to use the video to
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: send to people. I'm like, dude, that was five years ago. Yeah,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: five years ago. So it's just yeah, I've met some
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: very I've met some great people, honey and showing me wrong.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: But for every good person, I've met a lot of
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: shady people too. I mean, do you think it's is
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: it hunting or is it like business? I think it's both,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because it's from the business
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: side of it, Like, no one's gonna show you. A
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: lot of these people are gonna show you their true colors,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: like they're gonna want you to do for me personally.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Like I was, like, I'm gonna go back to what
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: I said earlier. I was a puppet, Like I brought
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: the attention to a company for them to make a
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: buck out of it, and I didn't make a dime you,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: So I was just and I was just a token
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: item for them to gain something. What was the last
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: time you did uhum, what was the last time you
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: did a talk? But gave a talk? My last yeah,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: my last speaking event had to be last year. Um,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I took a I took a huge
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: break from the whole hunting industry at the two eighteen.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Oh I said, I lost a lot in that industry.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: And uh heck, I mean I went to the show.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I came back. Oh man, I had a heart attack.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: I mean it's it's stressed me out so bad that
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: literally a heart attack. I flew back home. I went
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: to the uh gym later to night as I was
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: stressed out. I mean, this is like this is like
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: my shot, Like I just started finally started to make
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: money and like I lost. I mean I lost a
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: lot of money at a show because of that video.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: It was time for the show. Oh yeah yeah. And
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: then the bad part, like everything that was happened, so
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: like going back to like the bad moments, Like I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: was letting those bad moments pole up. So I had
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: just got turned down, um on a a good contract.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: And after they turned me down, the guy that producing
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: and send it out walks up and I was livid,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: like emotion like I was. I was in a different
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: state of mind at that point that it was it
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: was a miserable show for me, Like it was eating
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: me up inside, like a horrible show for me. Then
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: another thing I was losing. I was losing um spots
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: of like being Uh, this is a time phrase where
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: the hunting industry was so fo focus on, you know,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: being a cute blanche chick, you know, half naked doing
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: shows just to get you know, promotion, and I felt,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: really I felt that it got away from the value
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: of hunting that I was just I don't know, I
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: guess I was just a little bitter about it because
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: I mean I was losing. I felt like I was
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: losing out to um people that wanted to be something
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: that they worked and like I just I got caught
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: up in that realm of trying to be someone else
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: that I lost focus on who I was. Like, I
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: just like I didn't understand the fact that you know
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: that I was getting caught up in that mix. So yeah,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: I know, yeah, there's like you know, I mean sex
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: cells and everything. I mean definitely sells underwear, yeah, and
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. And yeah, like you know, as
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: much as it's even fair to talk about like the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: hunting industry as well as this sort of like defineable,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: containable thing, I know what you're talking about when they
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: became this it's it's not like this male fantasy thing
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: where it be that, um, you know, you have these
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: people that are like, oh that you know, they're so
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: beautiful and and they like to hunt. And it's like
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: this like complete total package, right that that you like
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: present as a as a marketing thing. It's like all
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: my problems, I'm lonely and I have no woman, and
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: now look this one's beautiful and she would appreciate my
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: hunting prowess. Not only that, but she loves the hunt,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: and that's how I will sell products. Yeah, old creepy gather.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: So so from from so back to that se I
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: like when that was going, like I was like, all right,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: well a lot of these people can't Like it was
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: so um it was so instant bottled. The honey industry
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: became so instant mottled that I was like, all right, cool,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: this is not even honey anymore. It's Hollywood. Like it's
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: not like something that I was like I was. I
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: was one of those guys that I was a rebel.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: Like it was like, look, I bust my butt to
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: go out here and do it, and I have I
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: know what I'm bringing to the table. I don't feel
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: that it's right for me to lose something to somebody
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: that just picked up a gun two weeks ago. Guild Animal,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: you felt like you had a product, yeah, and but
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: you were losing um some of these opportunities, some of
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: these paid opportunities, folks that didn't even have a product.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I felt that I brought more value to the table
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: than what I was, um, what I was getting out
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: of it. And to lose a spot to someone that
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: had no knowledge, couldn't teach you about anything hunting related,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: to lose it to a cute face, I just I
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: was in a very ill mood, so I made it.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I made a post and it wasn't even um like.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: It wasn't bad. It was more information or anything saying
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: how the hot industry was just becoming um more of
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: that sex cell type. And it flared up a lot
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: of attention because I'm one of those guys like I
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: will say, like I will say what the rooms? That
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: will you say like everybody's taking it? Hell, I'm just
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: gonna say it. I'm a clear elf. Now That's what
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: it was. It was one of those deals. Well, it's
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: a it's a super sensitive subject though man, because there
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: was a lot of that's a supersensitive subject. It's a
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: supersensive subject because the hunting industry traditionally was not hostile
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: in cases hostile the women. Um I had sitate to
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: say hostile women, not as inviting the women, meaning right
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: like people to buy a hunting license are guys timber
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: center women? Um, I don't think. I imagine that you
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: would always have I don't picture a world in which
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: you would be equal representation between men and women. I
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: don't picture that. But I feel if Dad's and whatever
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: dad's granddads didn't have such a strong bias towards the
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: boys in their family, in favor of the boys of
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: their family and against participation from women, we would land
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: not at maybe be seventy thirty female. There's no way
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be. I think there's like I think there's
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: biological factors that would prevent, but it wouldn't be. So
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: there is a thing where, Okay, to increase female representation
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: and hunting is important, to hear women's voices about hunting
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: and hunting is important. But I think that there's also
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: like a thing that I recognize it too, which is
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: very much. Um. People take that need but then they
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: can't help themselves. But to like sexify it. Oh yeah,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: no doubt. And I want my dog I got. I
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: have a seven year old daughter. I have like I
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: don't overpressure her, but she is very clear on the
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: fact that her dad very much wants her to go
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: hunting and fishing, to the point where I want her
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: to feel a little guilty when she doesn't go. Do
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: I then need to have it turn like do I
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: want her to to hunt in a bikini top? No?
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like she could look roughly like her brothers,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: like the same basic get up that her brothers are
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: comfortable and should be suitable for my daughter. So this
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: thing that we're talking about, like, I recognize, it's very
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: complex to be like everything. Man, it is complex to
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: the point to where is if your daughter was like, yeah,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: but dad, what I want to do is hunt in
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: a bikini top, and then you would have to be
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: then and be like I really want you to go, dude.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: That's a great point, man, because that would be what if?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: What if? Yeah? What she said to me, this is
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: how I like to do it. I like, I wanna, um,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: I love it. It's like this, make it fun like this,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: What am I gonna say, like, no, you cannot go
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: in that bikini top? She's seven right now? Is I'm
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: not there yet? I got time to figure it out.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: But yes, it's hard to deal with. Yeah, And so
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: then you throw and you go. You look at the demographics,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: right and you throw somebody, anybody up on a poster,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: and the marketing persons like, I want that poster to
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: represent the middle of the Bell curve, the vast majority,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: to draw the most people in, you know. And and
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: so you get in this conversation where it's like there,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: here's this very very pretty girl man whatever, um you know,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: is that representing the majority of the Bell curve? Is
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: that bringing in the most people. It's gonna represent some
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: some faction, but it's not going to represent them all. Yeah,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: they're they're advertising a water park in the elevators in
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: the place we're standing in right now, and advertising for
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: the water park are families, and the moms in the
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: things are in bikinis. But it's like, not sexualized. It's
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: a water park and there's families. I think it's not
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: sexual I think a bikini is more appropriate for a
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: water park than stay. Yeah, I just want to say, like,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: I don't want to overemphasize the bikini aspect this because
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: there are places where people you know it should be
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: uh you know, every runs around, but man, a little
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: bit the final COMPLEXI this is all to say about it,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: because not all want to say about it. But the
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: other thing I found is that women don't necessarily want,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily need forty six year old dudes like me
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: explaining this to them. So I get it. I get it,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: but I understand what I understand. So where where'd you
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: go from there? I take a really uh like a
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: detoxic break. I mean I I still had a couple
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: events and a couple of companies that I was working with,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: and um, I I just kind of I fell off
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: the radar a little bit to figure out who the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: hell I was because I was, like I said, I
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: I focused so much on big this persona to fit
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: this hunting image that I didn't know who I was
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: an he wore. And I want to ask about your
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: friends group too, because before you were like, well, one
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: way with my friends group and one way with your
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: friends group. Are they? Um, do you have a bunch
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: of folks like in your core friends group that are like,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: let's go hunting, let's go hunting, or are they not
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: in the hunting world? So I not industry, but like
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: like to be outdoors, like like hunting. I have friends
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: that are in the industry that I will go hunting
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: with um. But when I wasn't of value to them,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: I lost a lot of friends. I mean, if I
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: didn't bring it to the table, whoa you know. And
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: the funny thing is, like I think like to like
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: the pretty trade shows, like we're all buddy buddy shaking hands.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I miss is great to see all
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: this stuff for the rest of the three hundred sixty days,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: three and six whatever days, I don't even worry from them.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know who you are. You go to a
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: different show, they're like, oh, well who are you? I
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: mean like that's the kind of that's the kind of
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: people like we're running with it, this industry. Like if
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: it doesn't benefit them at the time, then you know,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: you're just another sticking away. But man, I think that
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: you're no, no, no, no no, I'm not I'm saying that.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: You're like like, I'm not saying it for anybody. I
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: just have a bad I have a bad um sense
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: of picking people. But I think you're talking about people.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're talking about the hunting industry. But
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, Like if we're in cosmetics industry,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like maybe would have found the same thing.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's in every industry. I'm not trying
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: to like stand around and like stick up for you know,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: like I play in the hunting industry considerably. I'm not
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: sitting around trying to be their advocate in mouthpiece or something.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, I feel like it's just you
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: found out some ship about life to say this is
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: just specific to this. No, no, no, no, I I
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: agree it's it's it's in life in general. But I
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: was so stuck in that round, like that's what I
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: was surrounded wish I understanding understanding from them. But now, um,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: you're you're you do want to come and like you're
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: ready to talk again, but you want to talk to
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: new people. Yeah, I mean not like I don't mind
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: talking about I'll talk to anybody. I'll talk to the wall.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna bother me. I'll get you certain trouble in
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: some quarters. I mean, like speaking is like what your
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: eyes are, Like, I just want to get I want
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: to get out of that scene, like because like I
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: was so saturated and a in the whole hunting in
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: issue round like I didn't know anything else. So like
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: now I'm just like, okay, well it's not for me
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: to you know, venture out and do more stuff. What
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: what industry working in right now? Like you just went
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: like during your detox, you just went working in a
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: completely unrelated world. Yeah no, I'd like from my detox,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: like I went from so like I went like this
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: is how like crazy was. I went from um, you know,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: driven in a hunting instrue guy, Like I finished, like
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: I think last spring, I did like a Turkey Turkey tour.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: I do a Turkey too every year. So I did
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: that and like after I finished that, like I got
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: back home, was like all right, cool, Um, I love
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: hunting up happy hunting, but I don't want to stick
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: in this round anymore. Like it's just like it's not
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: what makes me happy, like it it took a lot
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: of the passion away from me. So I left there
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: and I worked at a freaking car dealership like completely
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: opposite of anything. But I wanted to get into the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: field of the real world and get out of you know,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: this saturation that I've been in for so long. So
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: I did that from there. Uh it was That was
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: the worst shop I've ever had. Like that was way
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: worse than anything every did. Would hunt the entry. It's terrible.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: So if anybody every wants to buy a car, you
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: do not call me. So you're trying to sell cars? No, no,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: no, no no. I wasn't it salesman. I was UM it's
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: a b DC is what it's called. So like I
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: would be the person to um get people in to
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: um buy cars. It was more like a UM, let
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: me come you like this, let me introduce you to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: our top sales gas. Yeah something like that. Yeah yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I even grew the hair out, like I had the
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  Speaker 1: whole car salesman. Look, car salesman has longer hair. Well,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the slick back like the ninet
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: eight car salesman with like the old suit, like the
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: slick back hair like too much gas. Yeah, that was me.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: I grew my hair out everything like it was terrible.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: It was I was going through some rough times back then.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: He can cast where so it was your dad, right
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: because he's this hounds man. Those are very dedicated people.
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  Speaker 1: Um was he supportive of you as he like proud
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: of you, uh you know, quote unquote making an name
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: for yourself in hunting or was he kind of like
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: I don't really know about that side of hunting now,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: I think my families would was supportive about it. I
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: mean honestly I was. I was, and I'm still one
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: of those guys. If I want to do something, just
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: had to do it, you know, like they didn't have
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: a a particular say so on me. Just packed my
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: bags that were going, honey go and try across world.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: I mean like I would literally leave my house one
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  Speaker 1: day and I'd come back two months later. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's just that's the decision that I wanted to make
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: in life, you know, And that's what I was so
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: focused on being successful and accomplishing things that I sacrificed
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  Speaker 1: a lot. I mean I sacrificed a lot of time.
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  Speaker 1: I sacrifice, Like I remember, I I think I went
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: three or four years without being at home for crystalers
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  Speaker 1: and thanks even like I just I never saw my
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: family because I was always on the road trying to
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  Speaker 1: be in that next level of success. So I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I I they were supportive in that fact that you know,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: I was driven up to do that. But you're thinking
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: now about now that you kind of dusted off, you're
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: thinking now about going back out in the world to
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: talk to people again. Yeah, I mean that's that's what
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: that's my passion. Like I think, you know, everybody has
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: a gift, and my gift is to UM I'm a
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: I'm a people pleaser, like bad situations to get situations,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: Like I can figure out ways to um make a
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: situation be viewed from a different aspect, and like, I
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: think that's what really drives That's what I'm really passionate about. UM.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: So what's the Like, what if you're going to talk
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: to people and you have an audience in front of you, UM,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: what's the takeaway? Like the takeaway of your talk isn't
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: that you're a people pleaser? No? No, no, no. So
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: I think it's more about um overcoming life. You know,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: everybody's faces with challenge and obstacles with the life. You know,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: it's either it's either you fight through it or you
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: give up. And you know, I was at that point
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: where I wanted to give up many times, and I
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: never did it because I knew that if I kept
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: pushing through, I kept fighting, like it would eventually get better.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna be easy, but it's gonna get better.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: And once it gets better, you know better, it gets
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: too phenomenal. And I want to be at a phenomenal
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: level in my life, you know. And there's like a
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: lot of people that struggle with things on a daily basis.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Everybody struggles with something on a daily basis. So if
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: I can get someone to figure a way too understand
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: that what they're going through is not something that they
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: have to go through or have to stay in that
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: situation like that is what like I want to present.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, because like that, we are only here to
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: deal with bad issues for a moment our lives. It's
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: not gonna take over our lives, you know. So being
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: able to present a different side and a different outlook
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: on life to someone is what I want to present
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: to people. Um, I've had people that have been in
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: way worse situations I have, and they have failed to
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: understand that life stunt over. You know, you can still
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: move on no matter how dark your days are. I mean,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: like after every storm and sunshine, I mean there's something
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: better for you in life. You just have to understand it.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: It's out there. You have to keep wanting it, you know.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: I think I think about when you bring that up,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: is just haven't been uh always just like you know,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: just like blessed and lucky right now you but me,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: I just you know, like I don't know, just lucky.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: And sometimes I'll wake up in the morning and my
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: kids will come down, all three of our kids will
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: be coming back with me, my wife, you know, And
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: instead of thinking like you're saying, like I want to
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: get I want things to get better and better and
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: then phenomenal, I think like, how could this perfection continue?
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: Like there's no way, like something bad has to happen,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: Like like how could how could one get so lucky?
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: And I think they have probably there if there's a
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: blessing to having just like such a major setback like
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: you had, it would probably too to get some reality there,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: you know, Like what I remember one time being down
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: in Florida and we're like on the beach, me and
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: my wife on the beach from Pham vacation. We only
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: had two kids at the time. The kids are playing,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: they're like helping you already somersaults and like things are
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: so perfect, it makes me feel like something bad is coming.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: What happened? No, there you go. Well, you know what,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: what we didn't know at that time was we had
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: firmly agreed that two kids was more than enough, and
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: we didn't know that. It's funny that story particular is
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: we didn't know that at that moment she was pregnant
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: with our third, which was like kicked the nuts. But
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: in the end, yeah, in the end, it's like, you know,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: like everybody like everybody says, like such a blessing, right,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: and it is, it's amazing. But at the time, so
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: when she's that's what we laughed about. Later it was
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: like something bad another kid. This kind of back cuddling.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: That what Cal asked about your dad, Uh, how how
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: your dad felt about you kind of getting so deep
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: in the industry. But I kind of wanted to know,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: you said, you say that you don't really remember what
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: kind of guilt your dad was carrying, like shortly after
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: the accident. Ten years pass after the accident, then you
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: start to kind of make a living and gain nationwide,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: worldwide attention from not only your calls but also retelling
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: the story, a big shot by your dad, And I
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: mean you think that after ten years there's probably a
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: lot of healing, healing happening like between just like with
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: the guilt he was carrying maybe that and then all
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, it just like it was it like
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: a wound opening back up for him that you were
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: touring the country telling this story. Do you think there
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: was any like obviously he was probably proud of you
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: for for getting up there and becoming a speaker. And
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: but after I already do you think there was any
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: resentment at all? You know, it's kind of what it
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: deals was like, Hey day, you remember that time you
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: shot me? Yeah, here's a video and you're gonna watch
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: this here now it sounds very sad piano music. Yeah,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: like very depressing. And they're like, okay, yeah, give me
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: a credit card, like I want to buy a truck.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Like it's that I don't guilty of Anybody has a
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: big you know your dad Okay, Oh yeah, my dad's fine. Uh.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: We don't turkey out together anymore, communicate with him, but
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: you know I'm talking out together. I mean it's a
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: different subs every different day. But now, I mean for
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: as far as you know, opening that well, I don't
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: think I think it's healed. I honestly think it's too.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: But being able to show that it it didn't hinder
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: me in life, I think that that's something that has
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: helped him heal. I think it's helped you know, me
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: and my whole family heal from a situation. Because I mean,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't look at my accident as it was,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: um something devastating, like I'm grateful for it. You know,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't it would not have made Yeah, it would
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: have I it would not have made me the person
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: that I am right now if it didn't happen. I
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: mean there's no telling what I would have been doing
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: or you know what kind of guy I would have
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: been if my actually never happened, Like it humbled me
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: so much, um because like I said, you know, we
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: take things for granted all the time, Like I could
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: have been a selfish prick if I'd never got a
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: leg saying away from me like now, like I cherished
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: the little things, like I'm grateful for so much more now.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: So like I just don't. I don't think my accident
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: was one of those deals where you know, I should
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: get bitter over to me, and I think it's one
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: of those things that really humbled me alife. You could
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: have been the type of dude who whendn't throwing a
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: road killed deer in the back of the track of
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: the ranch. You know that's never gonna happen again. So
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: if if, if people want as much as you're wanting
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: to do this, if people want to contact you UM
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: to talk about haven't you come and talk to a
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: group or how do they do it? How do they
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: get a hold of you? I think the easiest way
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: to get ahold of me is uh. I have a
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: Facebook page is called Son of the South s O
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: n of the South, and I think that's probably he's
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: the way to message me. Um, I stay on, I
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: used to say on social media a lot, but I've
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: laid back on that pretty much. But if you wanted
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: to get and send your message, it can still find you.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm not hard to five. Just look
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: for a black gund of wheelchair making animal sounds not
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: hard to find at all. The group narrows down quick,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: all right, man, this has been great. Uh, Josh Carney
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Son of the South. Sometimes they get called mouth for
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: the South. Don't know why. They're probably gonna talk a
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: lot like, yeah, we'll stick with Son of Himself, you know. Yeah,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on man. And yeah, now
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: that you told everybody how to find you, do you
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: want to learn more about Josh Go track them down.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Thank you s