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Birds Weekly: Ray Didinger, Derrick Gunn Wonder About Eagles: "Is There A Coming Back For This Team?" · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it is time once again for the latest
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  Speaker 1: edition of Birds Weekly, presented by the Inside of the
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  Speaker 1: Birds Network. For that man right there, Ray did drum,
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  Speaker 1: Derek gun and Ray. Thanksgiving just didn't taste the same,
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: or the day after Thanksgiving just didn't taste the same
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  Speaker 1: after watching that debacle at Lincoln Financial Field. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we spend a lot of time going over game scenarios
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  Speaker 1: in our mind leading up to a game, and for
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  Speaker 1: the life of me, what we witness Friday never even
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  Speaker 1: crossed my mind. I expected it to be a good game,
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  Speaker 1: hard fought game, but I never expected to see a
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  Speaker 1: Bears team come in here, especially a Bears team under
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  Speaker 1: a first year head coach that had won five games
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  Speaker 1: in the last two minutes of a game, that was
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  Speaker 1: learning how to win, come in here in steamroll this
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  Speaker 1: Eagles team on both sides of the football, the way they.
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  Speaker 2: Did, they did everything you just said they did. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you looked at the Bears as a team that was
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  Speaker 2: on the come. You know, I was willing to grant
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  Speaker 2: them that.
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  Speaker 3: Figure.
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  Speaker 2: They started this year zero to two, and they came
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  Speaker 2: rolling in here at eight and three, same record as
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles. But you know, I mean, they had beaten
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  Speaker 2: They beat the Raiders by one point, they beat Washington
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  Speaker 2: by one point. I mean, there was the feeling that
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how you felt, but I
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  Speaker 2: looked at the eight and three and kind of thought,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not so sure it's legit.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that he was a witness game. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: think it would be easy because, let's face it, the
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  Speaker 2: way that he was have played this year. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that any game figures to be easy with this team,
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  Speaker 2: but I thought, certainly at home they would win it.
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  Speaker 2: I never expected it to turn into what it turned into,
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  Speaker 2: which was just a straight up sixty minute beat down,
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  Speaker 2: is what it became, which leaves us to ponder the
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  Speaker 2: question of is there hope for this team? Is there
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  Speaker 2: is there a coming back for this team? Given where
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  Speaker 2: they are right now. I Mean, you can say all
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  Speaker 2: you want about, oh, they're still eight and four, Oh
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  Speaker 2: they're still in first place in the NFC East, which
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  Speaker 2: is all true, but if you just look at the
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  Speaker 2: team and the state of the team right now, it's
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  Speaker 2: pretty hard to be optimistic about the future.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I know people don't want to hear this, but the
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  Speaker 1: way the Eagles are playing right now. That Dallas team,
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden is coming around. They beat the
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  Speaker 1: last two defending Super Bowl champions in a span of
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  Speaker 1: four days. Granted, both games went home for them, and
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  Speaker 1: they are much different team at home, and that don't
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  Speaker 1: than they are on the road. But the bottom line
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  Speaker 1: is this slowly closing in on this Eagles team. You know,
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  Speaker 1: leading up to this game, right after that debacle down
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  Speaker 1: in Dallas. All we heard all week long from this
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  Speaker 1: Eagles team, from the coaches on down to the players.
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  Speaker 1: We got to address the little details. It's about focus,
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  Speaker 1: it's about executing, it's about finishing plays. Second play from scrimmage,
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  Speaker 1: they get a false start and I'm thinking, what the
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  Speaker 1: heck did they work on all week?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly right, exactly right. I Mean, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Story the story in the season. Really, Uh is that
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  Speaker 2: kind of sloppiness, that kind of just dumb football, poor execution.
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  Speaker 2: I Mean we talk a lot about the play calling,
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  Speaker 2: which you know, steers us right back to Kevin Patullo again,
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  Speaker 2: like like that's that's where the problems beginning at. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there aren't problems there, there are,
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  Speaker 2: but there's just so much of that stupid stuff and
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  Speaker 2: just lows the execution and just poor football that you know,
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  Speaker 2: the play calls, that's part of it, but I mean
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  Speaker 2: the problems.
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  Speaker 3: Go way, way way beyond that.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, there was a you know, my old
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  Speaker 2: friend and you probably remember Mark Wicker, who used to
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  Speaker 2: be a columnist here in Philadelphia, really good writer.
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  Speaker 3: He's now living on the West Coast.
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  Speaker 2: He's writing an online column now which is called The
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  Speaker 2: Morning After, which I would recommend it to our viewers.
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  Speaker 2: Anybody has access to the Internet, try and find a
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  Speaker 2: website called The Morning After. And Wicker writes every day
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  Speaker 2: on some sports topic. And he wrote today a column
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  Speaker 2: looking back on the Eagles Bears game, and he said
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  Speaker 2: something that pretty pretty chilling but kind of rings true.
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  Speaker 2: He said, with that shot, that TV shot in the
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  Speaker 2: fourth quarter of the fans heading up the steps and
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  Speaker 2: out in the exits with the game still going on, that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the Eagles fans all on their green leaving
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  Speaker 2: that with it with about five minutes six minutes to go,
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  Speaker 2: he said. Wicker said, the feeling I had, the song
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  Speaker 2: that I heard ringing in my head was ding dong
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  Speaker 2: the Witch is Dead, which is sort of just saying
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  Speaker 2: the you know, last year's champions, they're gone.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I mean watching the way.
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  Speaker 2: That game went down, you know, I mean I kind
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  Speaker 2: of get where he's coming from on that it had
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  Speaker 2: that feeling. I mean, you had the feeling of I
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  Speaker 2: don't know you felt about it, Derek, but watching that game,
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  Speaker 2: the feeling I had was it was two teams going
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  Speaker 2: in different directions. You had a young, hungry team that
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  Speaker 2: wanted it really bad and are really starting to believe
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  Speaker 2: in themselves and are on the path and maybe doing
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  Speaker 2: big things, versus a team that looked old, tired and
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  Speaker 2: frankly not up to the task. That's how it looked,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I mean, you can go through all the
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  Speaker 2: x's and o's, and we could do that all night
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  Speaker 2: if you wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: But on the.
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  Speaker 2: Basic level of which team looked like the better team,
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  Speaker 2: which team looked like it wanted it more? To me,
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  Speaker 2: it's the Bears.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 1: You look across social media right after the game and
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  Speaker 1: even through today as we taped this podcast, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people are already ready to give up on
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  Speaker 1: Eagles for twenty twenty five. For me, I'm not quite
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  Speaker 1: there yet. When you look at the rest of this schedule,
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  Speaker 1: which could be misleading by the way. I mean, they
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  Speaker 1: do have a favorable schedule after they go past the Chargers,
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  Speaker 1: when you consider they still have the Raiders, they still
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  Speaker 1: have two games against Washington to play as well. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm teetering, ray, I'm on a teeter totter, and the
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  Speaker 1: teeter totters like this now in terms of do I.
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  Speaker 4: Keep hope, do I give up? Where are you at
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  Speaker 4: this point?
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  Speaker 2: Same thing? Yeah, same thing. I'm not prepared to say
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  Speaker 2: it's over. I'm not prepared to say that it's done,
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  Speaker 2: that they can't make the playoffs, because you still look
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  Speaker 2: at the roster and you still look at the talent
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  Speaker 2: there and you can't deny it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's there. But I'm looking at the same
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  Speaker 3: way you are.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at schedule and I'm seeing the
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  Speaker 2: Raiders look to me like they can't get out of
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  Speaker 2: their own way right now.
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, that's the.
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  Speaker 2: Game that played in Philadelphia. I mean, I can't imagine
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  Speaker 2: anyway to lose that game. And you got to figure
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  Speaker 2: the two Washington games. I mean the Commanders are I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they're they're pretty much shot. So I mean those certainly
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  Speaker 2: are three winnable games. But even though this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Bills are not having a particularly great year either,
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  Speaker 2: But you got to go up there and play them,
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  Speaker 2: and the likelihood is that the Bills will be playing
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  Speaker 2: for something, So I don't think that would be an
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  Speaker 2: easy game by any means. And then you got the
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  Speaker 2: game coming up on Monday against against the Chargers, who
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  Speaker 2: have a very good defense.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, as I know.
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  Speaker 2: That Jim Harbaugh as an offensive play caller man, he
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  Speaker 2: wants to pound the rock, and you give him a
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  Speaker 2: week and an extra day to study the tape of
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  Speaker 2: this game justin Herbert might not, he might not hit
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  Speaker 2: double digits and pass attempt. Jim Harborough might just dust
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  Speaker 2: off the old Woody As playbook for this one and
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  Speaker 2: just come out, you know, and run that and run that,
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  Speaker 2: that counterplay that inside inside zone where you know, you
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  Speaker 2: just start everything going this way and then cut back
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  Speaker 2: on the And the Eagles had no answers for that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was trying to figure out had it
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  Speaker 2: ever happened before that? A visiting team came into Philadelphia
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  Speaker 2: and played the Eagles and had two backs rushed from
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  Speaker 2: more than one hundred yards because the stat that Al
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  Speaker 2: Michaels brought out last night, which they dug up during
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  Speaker 2: the game, was the last time the Bears had two
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  Speaker 2: runners go for more than one hundred yards, and they
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  Speaker 2: went they had to go all the way back to
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  Speaker 2: eighty five, which was the Bears Super Bold season when
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  Speaker 2: it was with Walter Payton and Matt Suey. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: thinking I'd like to know, look at this from the
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  Speaker 2: Eagle standpoint, when's the last time a visiting team came
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  Speaker 2: into Philly and.
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  Speaker 3: Had two backs go over one hundred yards?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 2: I looked it up because you know, I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: just finished rewriting the Eagles Encyclopedia, which you had behind
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  Speaker 2: you there. Yeah, so I had a lot of my
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  Speaker 2: old history stuff sort of stacked in a drawer er,
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  Speaker 2: so I went through it, Derek, unless I'm missing one,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think I am. I think the last
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  Speaker 2: time a visiting team came into Philly and had two
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  Speaker 2: backs rushed from more than one hundred yards in that
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  Speaker 2: game was Opening Day nineteen sixty.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, come on kidding me.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, I think I think it was.
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  Speaker 2: And it was the Cleveland Browns, and the two backs
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  Speaker 2: were Jim Brown and Bobby Mitchell's who.
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  Speaker 3: You know are now both in Canton. Yeah, both in
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  Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: And I will still always contend I think Jim Brown
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  Speaker 2: is the greatest football player I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: But that's it.
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  Speaker 2: And like I said, maybe I missed one somewhere along
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  Speaker 2: the line, but I don't think so. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the last time that happened. The opener of the nineteen
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  Speaker 2: sixties season. Okay, And guess what, Jim Brown and Bobby
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  Speaker 2: Mitchell both great players, they didn't rush for as many
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  Speaker 2: yards as.
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  Speaker 4: These two guys. Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 2: That's the kind when we talked about this being a
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  Speaker 2: historic beat town.
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  Speaker 6: That's how historic it was, right, Not just two backs,
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  Speaker 6: but two backs listed on the roster at five eight
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  Speaker 6: in about two five, two seven, you.
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  Speaker 1: Would have thought they were Earl Campbell and Jim Brown
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: running out of that backfield. I mean, at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the first quarter, the Bears had eighty four yards
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  Speaker 1: rushing against a defense that was giving up one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifteen a game. At halftime, they had one forty two.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the game, they had two hundred
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  Speaker 1: eighty one yards rushing as a team. I'm still trying
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  Speaker 1: to get that to soak in. The Eagles defense, which
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  Speaker 1: had been tough and which had bailed this team out
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  Speaker 1: time and time again all season and was tough against
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  Speaker 1: the run, gave up two hundred and eighty one yards rushing.
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  Speaker 1: And it wasn't like the Bears were using any plays
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  Speaker 1: of trickery.
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  Speaker 4: They just lined up and just took it to.
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  Speaker 2: Them, right, yeah they I mean, how many times did
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  Speaker 2: you see that same play where you start one way,
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  Speaker 2: the blocking going one way, and then the back just
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  Speaker 2: comes up and just cuts out and just cuts to
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  Speaker 2: the open side, cuts out the back door over and
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  Speaker 2: over again, and it was there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know you said the two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: eighty one yards, I mean, that's a pretty stunning statistic.
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  Speaker 2: But rushing first downs for the game, yours had seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: The Eagles had two. So this was this was just
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  Speaker 2: total domination the line of scrimmage the Eagles. I know
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  Speaker 2: you worked with Seth Joyner fund the game, So I
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  Speaker 2: know what Seth's reaction must have been sitting there watching
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  Speaker 2: four quarters of guys not getting off blocks, you know,
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  Speaker 2: linebackers not filling holes, mistackles all over the plays. I
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  Speaker 2: can only imagine what Seth was saying about that, but
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was that bad.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we've talked in past weeks of about really
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  Speaker 2: kind of how valiantly this defense has played week in
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  Speaker 2: and week out to keep this team afloat when the
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  Speaker 2: offense hasn't been doing Diddley, you know. I mean we've
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  Speaker 2: been saying that every week. I mean the defense, heck,
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  Speaker 2: I mean the Green Bay game of the Detroit game
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  Speaker 2: of defense won those games for you because the offense
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  Speaker 2: didn't do anything. But this was one game where all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, I mean, the defense just completely fell apart.
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  Speaker 2: And and anybody that had been paying even a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of attention to the Bears, if you watched them
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  Speaker 2: at all this year, the one thing about him is, man,
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  Speaker 2: their offensive line was good, and they were they were physical,
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  Speaker 2: and they had a you know, and Ben Jonson, he
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  Speaker 2: has an approach to this team. I mean, they've got
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  Speaker 2: an edge to them, and they come in and and
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna they're going to try and prove to you
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  Speaker 2: that they could be more physical than you are at
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  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, and they're going to win at
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  Speaker 2: the point of attack. That's the way this Bears team
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  Speaker 2: is built, and that's the way they've played. Uh and
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  Speaker 2: they certainly, I mean, they've been good all year until
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  Speaker 2: they got to eight and three. But and they said
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  Speaker 2: this after the game, this was their biggest win of
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  Speaker 2: the season. And go on the road against the Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl champs into their stadium and hand them that kind
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  Speaker 2: of a beating. I'll tell you this, the Bears. The
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  Speaker 2: Bears might wind up winning that division. They really might.
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  Speaker 2: And at the start of this year, when you looked
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  Speaker 2: at when you were signing up, I think you never
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  Speaker 2: even thought Ben Jonson was a really good coach and
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  Speaker 2: he was going to improve that team.
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  Speaker 3: And he certainly has.
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  Speaker 2: But you looked at that division the start of the year,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, those are all playoff teams,
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  Speaker 2: and I think at least I felt that, Okay, the
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  Speaker 2: Bears are going to improve. I mean, this coach is
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  Speaker 2: going to They're going they're going to improve under this coach.
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  Speaker 2: But they're not going to climb. You know, they're not
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  Speaker 2: going to jump these other teams because those other teams
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  Speaker 2: are there now. You know, the Bears are going to
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  Speaker 2: come on and they're gonna you know, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: get better, But I don't see them getting ahead of
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  Speaker 2: those other teams. Maybe one of them, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're not going to. My goodn't a certain gonna jump
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  Speaker 2: from last place to first place in one year? Well
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  Speaker 2: guess what they might? Because right now, right now, they're
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  Speaker 2: they're playing really good. And the thing is it's a
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  Speaker 2: young team, and with each one of these wins, they're
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  Speaker 2: just getting more confident, you know, and this win against
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles on Friday is going to just take their
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  Speaker 2: confidence up even higher.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 1: After the game, DeAndre Swift, who was here for a
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  Speaker 1: brief stint with the Eagles, said, we wanted to send
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  Speaker 1: a message to the league in this game. I sit
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  Speaker 1: here and Ray, the only thing I can say is
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  Speaker 1: message received loud and clear.
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  Speaker 4: They were not a great.
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  Speaker 1: Defense statistically, especially against the run. They were not a
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  Speaker 1: defense that put a lot of pressure on quarterbacks or
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  Speaker 1: sacked the quarterback a lot. They were not a prolific offense.
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  Speaker 1: The quarterback was completing fifty nine percent of his passes
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  Speaker 1: coming into this game. But again, message received loud and
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  Speaker 1: clear in terms of them playing as a cohesive unit
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  Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball, making the necessary plays
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  Speaker 1: when they have to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the one Defensively, I mean they were,
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  Speaker 2: you know, twenty fifth in this category. They were twenty
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  Speaker 2: seventh in this category. I mean defensively, they.
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  Speaker 3: Had not been good. They're given up yards or given
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  Speaker 3: up points.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: They were given up. But I mean this stat was
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: almost jowne driving to me. They were worse in the
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: leg giving up yardage on first down, Like, they were
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: given up almost seven on the average for the whole season,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: seven yards on every first down play. How how do
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: you take that those defensive stats and translate that into
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: an eight and three record. It just didn't seem to
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: make sense unless you went to the old giveaway takeaway
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: You look at the number of times i mean, sixteen
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: interceptions twenty four takeaways.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, they were like way ahead of everybody.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: So that was the great equalizer, And that was one
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: of the things you and I both talked about last week,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: was well, yeah, that seems to be how they're winning
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: the games is that they're taking the ball away from
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the other team. But we all know now that the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Eagles they never turned the ball over. I mean, that's
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the one thing they don't do. You know, they don't
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: make a lot of big plays, they don't score a
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: lot of points, but they don't turn the ball over.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Well, guess what in this game and a couple of
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: big spots you did.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And it was just enough for the Bears to get
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: for the Bears to come in here and win a
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: game that I don't think. I don't think very many
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: people thought they were going to win. But they want it,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: and they want it convincingly.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: You know, as we were talking about, the Bears were
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: running a basic zone blocking concept, you know, push everybody
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: one way back goes out the back door the other way.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time, ready, to be honest,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: where I saw a jailing Carter and Jordan Davis getting
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: manhandled for sixty minutes of football when they've lined up together.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: And to me, Ray, and this is my own perspective,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: my own opinion, to me, it looked like not just
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: those two, but the entire defensive front was going through
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the motions at times. It's like they would just if
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a blocker just pushed them one way. It was like
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: they were just dancing with them in one direction until
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: somebody else would make it play somewhere else. I hadn't
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: seen that from this defense in twenty twenty four or
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: this year up until this game. It started to happen
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: in the Dallas game, but what we saw in this
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: game was atrocious.
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  Speaker 2: Say, very simple stuff really when you get right down
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  Speaker 2: to it. I mean it's just a simple concept to
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: get everything kind of moving one way and then zone
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: block it up and then create that back door lane
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: for the back to just find it, cut it, hit it,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and he's gone. And I mean the backs were coming
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: through there. I mean they were into the secondary without
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: even being touched on a lot of those plays. It
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: was a very very well, very well designed and very
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: well executed running it. Heck, I'll tell I'll tell you
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Gunner I'm watching that game and the way they're running
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the ball, I'm thinking, why is Ben Johnson even throwing
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: at one time?
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: You know, because I mean.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: The kid, you know, Williams, he finished the day forty
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: seven percent completely. I mean, he was only a fifty
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: nine percent completion guy going in. He finished completing forty
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: seven percent. He was under fifty percent in the game
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: on a day when you were absolute total control of
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, your backs are ripping off seven
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: eight yard games like they're nothing. You're playing in a
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: day when it's cold and it's winds blowing forty mile
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: an hour. Heck, I don't know that I would have.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I would have thrown five passes
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: in the whole game. Yeah, you know, I was a
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: little bit surprised that Johnson threw it as much as
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: he threw it. But of course they get to win
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: easy anyway. But I mean, they had such control of
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the game, and they were so totally neutralizing the Eagles
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: front seven that I'm actually surprised that Johnson ran it
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: as much as he did. I'm not sorry, but that
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: he passed it as much.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: As he did.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: They ran over eighty offensive plays in this game eighty
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: five over eighty.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Plays in this game. Right, and you know, Caleb, the
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: one thing.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: He has he has a strong arm, but he has
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: an inaccurate arm as well. But the one pass he
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: threw on the on the on the play actions in
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: quarterback boot leg, he rolled out to his left and
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: in the wind, floated that pass twenty eight yards to
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: comment for that touchdown, that was a thing in beauty.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I think that was his best pass of the day. Yeah,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't make a lot of great passing plays,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: but what I've seen of him, I've watched this team play,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: this Bears team play five times now this season. He
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: makes the necessary throws when he has to. I mean,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: he's still got a long ways to go, but Ben
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Johnson has done wonders in terms of building his confidence
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and understanding how to read defenses. He doesn't always get
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the ball to where he's supposed to go, but he
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: gets it there when he has to, and that has
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: significantly contributed to the success of the the of that team.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he and he can he can run when
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: he has to. Uh, and he can you know, and
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: he'll he'll get out of the pocket and and run
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and run for that big first down to keep a
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: drive alive.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: He can do that.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: The one thing you can see with him and this
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: is where this is where he will over the next
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: couple of years make his greatest improvement and maybe and
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: maybe really really come on as a passer is just
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: his mechanics are just not good, you know. I mean,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: his footwork is just not good. I mean some of
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: the some of the poor throws he had in this game.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: And I understand the wind was a factor for sure,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: but some of them, I mean, he still just doesn't
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: get his feet under him. He throws a lot of
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: balls off ballance balls, hang up, balls, sail on him.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: And that's just mechanics stuff. I mean, he's got it.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: He's got the strong enough arm, He's got a very
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: strong arm. He just has to get his whole body
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: underneath those throws. And that's just mechanics.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: That's just repetition.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And we saw, you know, we saw what Johnson did
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: with Jared Goff in Detroit in terms of making him
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: a more efficient passer. And I think that over time,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: with more time to work with work with him, Johnson
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: will do the same thing with Williams. But right now,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: he's just kind of, you know, he's just kind of
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: a playmaker more than he is a pure quarterback right now,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: and he's you know, when you've got the line playing
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the way they're playing and the backs running the way
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: they're running right now, all he has to do is
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: make a couple of play is here and there, and
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: it's going to be enough to win. But I agree
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: with you that that sort of that sort of little
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: bootleg action to the left when he floated at the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: battle of the tight end who had gotten behind blanket ship.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was a really a really good call
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: and a really well executed play, and you know, the.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Bears, there's no conclusion to think, Wait, the Bears will
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: look like the.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Better team here. I mean, and by and by a lot.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: It wasn't even close, did the And yet you know
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: there was the score was so close for such a
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: long time, even though the Bears were completely dominating it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: You kind of got the feeling, at least I got
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: the feeling the Eves were not playing well at all.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: The Bears are in complete control, but you kind of
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: got the feeling, Okay, Themes are playing bad, but they're
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: going to get a break.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Or two.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Here they're going to score and they're going to go
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: ahead and they're going to win the game, and we'll
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: be saying when it's over, Oh, it was ugly.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: It was another ugly game.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Another but they found the way to win, you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I mean we thought it was going to be another
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: one of those and it wasn't. I mean, they had
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: their opportunity there where they score the one touchdown, they
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: get it to ten nine, and typical of the season,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Elliott misses the PA two. So now Bears get the
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: ball back and Williams throws that little swing pass screen
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: pass that Jlex Hunt intercepts. The Eagles get the ball
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: and now they get the interception in the red zone. Okay,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: so here you figure, Okay, it's ten to nine. The
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Eagles get the turnover. Now they're going to take it
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: in score and finally get the lead, which they hadn't
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: at the lead all. Now they're going to finally get.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: The lead and they'll be ahead and okay, now now
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: they're going to win the game.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: You know, as bad as they've played to this point,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: as much as the Chicagos dominated, you know, this is
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: going to be one of those that they're going to
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the old they found.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: A way to win. Well, they didn't this time. You know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: they ran the toush push, got stripped, turned the ball over,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: the Bears take it the rest of the way, score
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: the touchdown, and guess what, it's over at that point.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Eagles had their chance right at that
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: moment to score the touchdown and maybe get control of
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: the game. They turned it over.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: The Bears take it away, which have been doing all year,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: take it the other way for a touchdown, and from
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: that point on it was their game.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: You know, We're gonna get to Jalen in just a
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: moment because wow, I mean, that's all you can say
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: about Jalen's lack of performance in this game. But from
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: your perspective, what is happening to fit Vic Fangio's defense. Now,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: we saw them fall apart in then second half against Dallas.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: We saw a complete collapse against this Bears team from
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: start to finish. This is not a Vic Fangio defense
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that we've grown accustomed to. Scene and players are out
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: of position, players are missing tackles, players are still committing penalties,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: unnecessary penalties. I don't know how to pinpoint what I'm
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: seeing in the Vic Fangio defense right now. And you know,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: you covered the game longer than I haven't. I've been
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: covering it for over forty years. Maybe you have a
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: different perspective in terms of what you're seeing from this
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: big defense right now.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Well, this was different in a sense that what happened
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: in Dallas was against the Cowboys team. For whatever else
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: you want to say about them, they're explosive. I mean,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: you know, they're the number one there's number one passing
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: team in the league. They're the number two scoring team
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: in the league. I mean, that's an explosive offense. And
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: when they get it going, and especially in that building,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: they can blow you out. And that's what happened. They
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: got the ball, they got hot, they got that offense cooking,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and they just blew the Eagles. I've seen them do
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: that before, so that was okay, it comes. You know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: they come out of a twenty one nothing hole and
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: they beat it. Well, that's that's pretty bad. But okay,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I get it because I know I know who's doing
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: it to you. And on one level, it kind of
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: makes sense because they could do that to anybody. This
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: was a harder one to figure because this was a
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: top to bottom beat down from a Bears team. That's
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're young and they're good, but they're not
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: that that they would that they would come in and
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: they would just dominate you and dominate you at every level.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I mean they dominated you with the line of scrimmage,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: they ate up your linebackers, they made big plays in
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: the passing game, and just had their way with you
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: for sixty minutes they did, and the defense was just collapsed,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: you know, and I just wonder, you.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Know, what is it? I mean, is it? You know?
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: The Eagles have been losing time of possession pretty much
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: every week anyway. Yep, that's just the way the season's going.
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  Speaker 3: You know, maybe the bottom just fell out on them.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that after what happened to them in Dallas,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that kind of a game. You know, maybe the short week,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: maybe they were just exhausted.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was just but it just didn't seem
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: it just didn't seem like they had anything right from
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the beginning of the game. It isn't like fatigue set
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: in in the second half. They got pushed around in
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the first half. And one of the things that I'm
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: that I'm struck by in this was the similarity of
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: the weeks from earlier this season, the two games they
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: lost then to these two games they lost now very
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: similar and very disturbing for the same reasons. First time
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: they lose to Denver at home. The game very.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Similar to the Cowboys game.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: They seem like they're ahead, they're in control, they're in command,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: and they and Denver comes about and beats them at
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the end of the game. And the feeling, you guys,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: that they blew this game. You know, they had this
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: game and they let Denver come back and steal it
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: from them. But short week, you know, we're going to
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: New York on Thursday.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: You know, get everything right, We go to New.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: York and it's worse. Yeah, in New York and and
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: and they absolutely kill you. This was kind of the
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: same thing. You know at the Dallas team. You're twenty one,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: nothing to lead, everything's great, and all of a sudden
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: they they come back and they beat you. Short week.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Now this time you're coming home and you're playing the Bears,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and the Bears put the same kind of beating on
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: you that the Giants did earlier this season. Very similar.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: You know, gaming, you seem to have in hand, you
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: blow it. You come back in a short week and
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: you get beat worse by a lesser team. Why, I mean,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: that's that's you can put that on the players. But
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: to me that that smacks of coaching. You know, that
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: really smacks of coaching. And we've certainly talked a lot
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: about the offensive coaching and the shortcomings of the offensive coaching.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: This is the wizard one week where you kind of
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: got to look at the defense and maybe point your
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: finger to the defensive coaches too.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: You know, you know it's a bad game when Jake
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Elliott misses an next your point, But the problems run
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: deeper still, and that brings us to the franchise quarterback
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and Ray I think this might have been his worst
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: game of the season if you really sit down and
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: analyze it. He had he had Aj Brown on a
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: crossing route that would have been an easy first down.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: He's staring right at him, throws the ball by him.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Aj has to go down to his knees to get
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the ball and doesn't get the first down. He has
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Davante on a slant, which was the proper read. Davante
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: on the slant wide open, he would have walked it
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: in for six. He throws it behind Davante and on
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the same play, Dallas godd is running the scene route,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: waving his hand like he's waving a flag. There's nobody
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: within ten yards of Dallas. He misses both of them
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: on what would have been a touchdown. He could have
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: changed the minimum of this game. And then he throws
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: he throws a pick on a rollout.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: He just he will.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: He's one up and throws a pick on a rollout,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: and of course you talked about it. He fumbles on
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the touch push he gets Now Naseean Wright made a
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: great hit on the ball and pull the ball loose
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and got the ball and.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Recovered it for the Bears.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: But I think overall, Ray this might have been his
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: worst game of the season. Now people are gonna say
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: they are those who had supported Jalen supporters no matter what.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Who are gonna say, not just us, but the media
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: in general is Jalen bashing because we hate Jalen. This
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: is not about hate. This is a fair observation, fair critique,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And I think I don't know what it is because
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: if you look at the play where he threw it
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and aj had to go down on.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: His knees, he had time to throw the ball. If
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: you look at the route he.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Threw to DeVante, he had time to throw the ball,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: set his feed and throw the ball and still threw
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: it behind him. And I don't know what he's thinking
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: of what's going through his mind during these sequences, Ray,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: but something about his game is way off.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: It wasn't it Sure was this time.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about it and comparison to the other
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: games this season.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: But to your point about worst game of the year, yeah,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: it might be.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: It might be, especially when you consider you're up against
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: what were the the twenty fifth ranked defense or something.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: It isn't like. I mean, we can we can talk about.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: The coaching part of it, which is you were going
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: up a team against a team that was given up
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: an average of more than five yards per carry. I mean,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: this is the team that hadn't stopped anybody's running attack
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: all year, and yet you came out on a blustery, gusty, cold,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: windy day and I thought that I thought you just
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: threw the ball way too much.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know this team hasn't been able to
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: run the ball at all this year, but there were
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: glimpses in this where I.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Thought it looked like the running game had a chance.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Not that they were all of a sudden that found something.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: But the Bears defense had that many holes in terms
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: of run defense that I thought the opportunity was there
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: for the Eagles to run the ball and and have
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: some success with it for maybe for the first time
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: all year. I was a little bit surprised at how
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: many times they just had Hurts just standing in the
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: shotgun and just trying to sling it when it clearly
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: wasn't a good day for him, and it was a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: tough day for anybody to throw the ball it. Conditions
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: just weren't up orn't good for it. So I thought
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: that was I was a little bit surprised at the
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: play calling, to be honest with you, But to your
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: point about Hurts his own performance, yeah, it was.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: It wasn't good.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: The the little slant that you talked about one advante
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: which is you know you're driving, you're driving the ball,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: you're in their territory. Uh, it's a play that there's
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: clearly an opening that if he catches the ball, you
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: put the ball on him and he catches it, it's
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: a very good chance he can take that into the
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: end zone them. You know, we've talked a lot about
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Kevin Patuolo, bad play calling, unimaginative play calling, not getting
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: guys open.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Well, none of that was true on that play.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: It was a good call. You had a good receiver
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: who was open. There's an opportunity for a big play
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: right there, and the quarterback just doesn't put it on them.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's you can't blame that one on the coaches.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was a good call. It was a
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: just a lousy throw. And that's kind of been the
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: story of the season. And you know, if this were
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Week three and it were September, you and I might
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: be saying they'll work this out. Yeah, yeah, there's still
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: there's still it's early in the season. They're just working
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: these things out.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Well, Thanksgiving is coming gone and it ain't early no more.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: And I think I've kind of come to grips with
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: the fact that this is what they are, you know,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: And I don't think they're going to get a whole
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: lot better.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: They just have to find a way to try to
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: win with what they have right now. And Okay, they've
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: gotten to eight and four, but.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: This, this isn't This does not have the look to
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: me of a team that, even if they get into
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: the postseason, has anything that's going to get them beyond
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Game one. You know, I think if they get in,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, to me, I just don't see them lasting
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: very long.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: You know, you've mentioned a couple of times about the
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: play calling, and you know, I sit here and I
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: agree with you one hundred But when you look at
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: this game across the board, this was not about play calling.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: This was about player execution on both sides of the ball.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: And once again people are screaming fire Petullo, Fire Petullo,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and Nick Sirianni after the game, came out and emphatically
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: stated we are not changing play callers. Should he have
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: made that statement right there or should he have just
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: kept quiet about and let people speculate leading up to
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the Chargers game, Because now people are even more irate
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: that Nick is standing his ground and he's supporting Petullo
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Again, I will also emphasize in this game,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: as it was the case in the Dallas game, this
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: this is not about just play calling player execution. I
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: mean quarterback missing missing reads, missing throws, the offensive line
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: not sustaining blocks, the defense getting mauled. You know, across
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the board for sixty minutes. Can you make a change
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: right now? I don't know about you. I don't want
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to see Nick Sirealni calling plays. You know who you're
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: going to promote from within. You're not going to bring
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: an outside play caller in, maybe an outside consultant to
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: look at your overall scenario and give suggestions. But Canny,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: can he do anything differently now in terms of as
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: we hone in on Petullo to to do anything different
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: to change what is going on right now?
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Nick has now been asked that question more than one. Yeah,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: in some of these games. The questions come up after games.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: The question has come up during the week during his
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: press conferences. Are you considering changing the play callers?
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: And he has been absolutely adamant. But no, Kevin will
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: continue to call the place. I mean he hasn't even
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: hedged on that or pause before he answered. It's just
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: just a blunt no. No, Kevin's going to continue to
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: call the place. I'll take him at his word that
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that's what he wants to do, that that's what he
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: feels it should do.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: But I don't know.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I mean behind the scenes, what if the owner. One
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: if the owner says I've had enough and Ken calls,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: you know when we know now over the last few
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: over you know with experience going back to Doug Peterson
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: that if things aren't going Jeff's way, Jeff has no
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: problem call on the coach and saying we you know
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: know that this isn't this isn't working. You know this coaching,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: this coaching thing is not working. We need we need
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: to change.
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  Speaker 3: Could that happen? I wonder, you know.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: And the other thing I'm wondering is that that Hard
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Knocks series, the what they call Hard Knocks in season
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: thing is beginning like now, and it's going to be
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: on the air.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: It's getting on in the air right about now. This
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: is going to be the all.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Access cameras in the meeting rooms, cameras in the locker
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: room and everything with all of the NFC East teams.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: So the NFL Film's camera crews.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: They're going to be down Novacare uh, and they're going
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: to be filming all kinds of stuff.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: And they're going to be wanting to dive into the
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: what the hell's happened to the Super Bowl champs? What's
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: happening behind the scenes. You know, what kind of conversations
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: are they going to overhear about all of this stuff?
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: And we saw what the Hard Knocks thing did with
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: the Giants last year when they were in the office whenever,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: in the office of Joe Shane, when he when he
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: just told the owner that I'm not going to sign
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: one Barkley, and all of a.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Sudden, it's it's out there for the whole world to see.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what are those cameras going to see
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: and hear inside the Eagles right now? I mean, the
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Eagles do a pretty good job of walling off the media,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: you know, letting the access, controlling the message, as we
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: like to say, you can't do that with these you know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: with the way they shoot these Hard Knocks thing. You know,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the cameras could stumble upon something here that might be
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: a real reveal as to how things are working in there.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: And you know, the last thing to give it a
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: state that the Eagles are in right now. The last
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: thing they need is to having to worry about a
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: camera over somebody's shoulders. But now they don't have any choice.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: It's there. So for the fans that have been wondering
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: what's happening behind closed doors, now you know what kind
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: of what.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Kind of unrest is really going on?
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Who's really mad at who, who's really pointing fingers at who? Well,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: you may be you may be getting the answer soon
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: on television because Hard Knocks is going to be that's
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: going to be one of the storylines that they're going
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: to want to follow is what's wrong with the Super
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Bowl champs and can they get it right?
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Where does leadership on this team come into play?
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Ray?
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: If you look at Brandon Graham since he's been back,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: he doesn't play many plays, hasn't been effective at all.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Zach Bond, outside of the almost pick he had down
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: in Dallas, has been relatively silent in games. You know,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Lane Johnson is down with that planner fasciitis. I'm sorry,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Liz frank injury. Where's where's leadership and who are the leaders?
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Who are the guys that can can stand up and
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: get in people's faces right now. And I've I've been
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: going over it in my mind. Ray, I don't come
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: to a conclusion there there is a definitive player or
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: players right now that can rally the troops. They're gonna
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: have to do it collectively, but I don't see a
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: definitive player who can step forward and bend people's ears
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and get them to listen right now.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: No, you're right, I mean, and that's one of the
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: things that we talked about earlier this season, was especially
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: on the defensive side, because there are so many young
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: players over there. Who is the leader over there? Good question,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: and you would think it would be Bond, But he's
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: only in his second year with the team, and I
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: don't know that he has that kind of personality. Na
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Kobe Dean, I think has that kind of personality, but
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: he's not hasn't been back all that long. I mean,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: he's he's missed a lot of time, so I don't
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: know if he's really in that position right now. And
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: then on the other side, on the offensive side, it
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: probably was Laying. It probably was Lane Johnson, but now
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: he's out, so good question. I mean where do you
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: where do you look for your leadership right now? If
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: you're this team, I mean the obvious place you would
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: say of your quarterback, But he's got his own issues
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: right now. So yeah, I mean there's a lot of stuff.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff going on with this team
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: right now, and not much of it is good. And
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: you got a lot of you got a lot of
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: things to work out and not a whole lot of
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: time to do it, because I mean this game, I
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: mean this game coming up. I mean, everybody's assuming, oh,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: they're eight and four, they'll be fine, they'll make the playoffs.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, maybe, but do you think do you really
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: think they're going to have an easy time of it
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Monday out in La I don't think so. I really
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: don't think so. If you lose that one, three losses
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: in a row, now you're eight and five, let's say
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: the Cowboys win again, and now they're just one game back.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: It's it's it really is. It really is amazing from
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: where we were how many weeks ago, three there we
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: are now this team that this team is fighting for
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: their lives. But the one thing it's been true from
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: the beginning is you know, there's been something missing.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: With this team right from the start.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: You know, they've won some games, the scraped down a few,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the defense has just saved them a couple of times.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Offense has never gotten it together ever to this and
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: right now that is still true, and so that they
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: find themselves in this position right now, it's scary but
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: not surprising.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Well, this is a team, indeed, that has a lot
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: of soul searching to do. They have some extended time
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: off now to get ready for what's going to be
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: a rugged encounter against the La Chargers out West on
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: a Monday night, and you're right, if they lose that game,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: people are really going to be irate that this team
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: has lost three in a row. But they've got a
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: lot of issues that settle between now and then, and
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: they've been telling us they know exactly what to do,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: and they still haven't done it yet. So it's going
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: to be interesting to see now that they're back against
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: that Proverbia wall, how they're gonna come out swinging. And
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: of course that Chargers team we're going to talk about
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: later in the week, because they've got a very interesting
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: defense and some very interesting offensive weapons that are going
• 50:17
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