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How This Nurse Built Income Beyond the Bedside 리치언니로 은퇴하고 싶은 Rich Nurse Jiwon Lee · Take1.5 Podcast: Stories from the Messy In-between

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After working as an ER nurse in New York and I also worked in
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Boston, Nebraska, I realized that just working W2 and working
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as a nurse, I may not achieve the life that I want to pursue.
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I'd like to introduce my guest today.
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Her name is Chiuan Lee, and she's a fellow Korean American
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YouTube who emphasizes the importance of financial literacy
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and the diverse tracks for nurses.
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As you, grace, graciously introduce me.
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My name is Chiuan Lee and I work as a nurse in New York and I run
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a YouTube channel called Rich Nurse with two goals, which is
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to help improve financial literacy for nurses and also to
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let nurses about diverse nursing paths.
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So I'm happy to be here. So what is it like being a nurse
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in New York City? Nursing is perceived as one of
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the most stable profession I believe.
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And that being said, in New York City where there are a lot of
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hospitals in a very in a proximity, there are a lot of
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bedside nursing jobs that you can have.
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There are startup jobs you can have as a nurse.
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Also, you can be an educator. You can go into corporate, do
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research. There are other things that a
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nurse can do other than taking care of patients.
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We usually think when we see a nurse, they're taking care of
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patients, whether it's in a hospital or in a primary care
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setting. So I would say it's a blessing
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to be a nurse in in New York. I also lived in Philadelphia and
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Nebraska, Boston and New York now.
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Wow, Nebraska. OK, so you came to the States as
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a college student or? Yes?
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Yes. So I went to a nursing school in
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Boston and before then I was going to high school in Toronto,
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near a suburb of Toronto and that's when I moved and 1st
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learned how to speak and communicate in English.
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So that's when I was in, when I was 16, in high school.
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OK, OK. Yeah, OK.
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So you went to Toronto and then to the States?
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Yeah, so my mom used to be a nurse too, and she became an
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educator and she was pursuing her post doctorate.
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And you know, the immigration, it's easier to be moved to
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Canada than the States even like back then.
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So that's why she went to Canada.
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And then she brought my brother and I decided to join them
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because I didn't want to be by myself.
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At 16, what do you think about moving to a whole new country?
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Yeah, that's a good question. I was thoughtless.
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I had no idea. Hey, that's a that's a blessing,
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baby. That was truly because I didn't
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know and I didn't think the obstacles.
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I just wanted to. I think to myself, I don't want
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to go to Hagwan anymore. I just want to move.
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And I played ice hockey since I was little.
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So yeah, I had many friends who went to Canada, to the States to
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pursue hockey or to study. So at the time when I was in
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high school, I thought I was late.
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Believe it or not. It was really funny because so
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my friends when when they're in elementary school or middle
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school and I was already in high school and I wasn't in fluent in
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English or was able to communicate and make friends
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that well in English. However, it was blessing, as you
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said, that I wasn't really thinking too much into it.
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And then I just had to learn. Was it tough to learn a new
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language or were you already speaking some English?
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I was able to speak some, but it was hard to make friends.
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So that's why I like played sports.
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Anything that I could play. So like ice hockey, I played
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since I was a little. So I joined the team and I did
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field hockey, rugby, like track and field, anything that I could
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because you don't really have to speak when you're playing
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sports. That was my way too.
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Really mingle. Yeah.
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You know, you're the first Korean woman that I know who
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played ice hockey. It's not very common.
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I think it became more common when I speak to my friends who
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pursue that path in Korea, back in Korea and when I was growing
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up. I was born in 1991, so I started
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playing when I was 7 till I was in college.
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So I had like 5 girls in my team.
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It was Coed. We didn't have I since I was
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playing in Korea. We didn't have a team for girls
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because there are not many. So we shared lockers together.
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We played together, we body checked with guys.
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That's how we grew. Up.
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Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah.
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Did you come to New York for a job?
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So I was in Nebraska and then I moved to New York in 2020 during
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COVID because I wanted to work in emergency room.
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I don't know whether that was a good time to be a nurse in an
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emergency room in New York City, but that's how I moved and.
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Yeah, yeah. Why?
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Why emergency room? I thought that I could be a good
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emergency room nurse because I like fast-paced and I wanted to.
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I liked people coming in and out and when you take care of them
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what their chief complaint, they either go upstairs or they are
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going home. So I thought I would like that.
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However, it was a difficult environment to be in because you
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had a lot of patience for yourself as a nurse and I
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couldn't attend to everything that a patient was asking.
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And you pivoted to different tract of nursing, right?
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What? What is that and how?
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What made you decide to do that? Currently, I work in a
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healthcare startup in New York as a clinical manager and I got
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interested in startup world since a few years ago because I
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thought that building a business and creating a team, managing
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different roles in business operation was very intriguing.
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And also startup founders, they have this grit, right?
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And they have this perseverance, ambition.
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And I was drawn to that. So I started going to different
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events. Like as I said, living in New
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York City, you have many chances or opportunities to do that.
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So that's how I got interested and I found this Korean
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healthcare startup in New York, started working as a nurse there
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at 1st and I became a clinical manager.
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And I realized that in healthcare or anything in any
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business that it's really relationship.
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So building in a managing that relationship.
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So that's how this whole experience started, from that
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startup event to me becoming a nurse and then to this
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managerial role. What kind of startup is it?
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So we are a premier care chain and we have the locations in New
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York, New Jersey, Alabama, Georgia and there are you know
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the Korean corporates like LG, Samsung or Hyundai.
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We are have in clinic in factory clinics in those factories.
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Too. Yeah, your primary care, it's
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sort of like a franchise or. Yes, it's a chain.
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Yeah, it's a chain, so they go. They have primary care locations
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and also they go in house. Right.
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Because locations like the Handymobus they have, they need
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to like go out of reach or go farther to see a doctor or a
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provider. So it's convenient for them
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while they're working during their work hours to just check
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with and what the doctor. So that's why they're trying to
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implement this. Wow, that's a great benefit for
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the employees, right. Exactly.
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Yeah. And then somebody who's speaks
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Korean as well. Right, Because you know, in
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Korean companies in Korea, they have like neighbor, they have
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these on site clinics. It's like like a clinic in a
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school. You have a nurse in in school
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and they, you know, kids when they're sick, they go see the
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nurse. So it's like bad with the
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Doctor. What do you say?
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How do you say that in Korean like Young?
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Young. Oh shit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like young oh shit in a
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factory. That's cool.
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That's really great. That's a good system.
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Yes, yeah. That sounds like a lot of work.
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You must be so busy. It is and I'll be honestly I
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cried a lot too. But it's OK because.
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Why, you know? Why?
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It's because I am used to being a nurse, right?
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I'm used to taking care of patients.
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And when you work as a nurse in a hospital, you have your own
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assignment and you have a number of patients that you take for
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take care of during a 12 hour period.
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And when you're done, you're done.
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It's not that you can bring them to home and then take care of
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them, right? And I realized that corporate or
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like company, it's different. So there are things that will
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linger, like many projects will go on at the same time you might
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relate to. It's not that I am done and I'm
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done. Yeah.
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And also like reporting system how I communicate they are also
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different and I I have been learning.
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So can I ask, you are for a Korean company, right?
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Yes. I do.
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So is it different than working for an American corporate or
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have you worked at an American corporate?
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No. So I can't really compare
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because it's my first corporate or start of experience.
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So I would say this, Korean people, they work very hard,
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which can be very beneficial for a company because when you're
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building a company, you have to work hard and there's no way
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around it. Yeah, Yeah.
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So that is good and bad. It's also stressful, but also
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it's a good for the company. If I were the owner, I would
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really appreciate that, you know?
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Yeah, yeah. What about the communication
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like style? I would think that it's very
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different. That's a great question because
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that's one of the things that I struggled with because, you
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know, I moved to Canada when I was 16.
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However, I am used to working in English and also medical jergens
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or medical terms. I'm more used to speaking in
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English and when I'm talking and communicating with the team or
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with my patients or clients. So it was difficult at first
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when I had to communicate with the team members in Korea
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because we had of a team in Korea as well.
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And 1st, everyone spoke in Korean and I first just wrote
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like Slack messages and everything.
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And when I even presented, I spoke in English.
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And I realized that for us to really be on the same page, I
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need to choose a language that we all can understand.
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So I'm not saying that they can't understand English, but
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they're more comfortable in Korean.
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Yeah. So I changed to Korean.
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Yeah. Oh my goodness, are you
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interpreting every word in your mind like oh, hurry, hurry,
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hurry. Yeah, that happens too.
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There are some things that I'm just used to saying in English.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Especially your professional field, you know, Yes, yeah,
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yeah, yeah. It's funny because sometimes
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when you're speaking in Korean or like in a foreign country,
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for instance, just because you make it like sound like Korean
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doesn't mean it's Korean. Yes, exactly.
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Just like linger out the syllables and you're like,
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that's that wasn't great. Right.
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And I thought you're it was funny that your pockets name is
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Conglish is another language. I thought that was really funny.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is.
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It really is. I mean, even when we're speaking
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you and I, you know, I mean, we, I guess we've been speaking
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mostly in English, but we go back and forth and some words
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you just cannot use in English or, or Korean, right?
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So we just use whatever it's, I think more acceptable now
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because K pop and K culture is so popular.
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I was watching what do you call it like K pop monster hunters or
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something like that. Yes, that's you know what I'm.
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Talking. About yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And they were like, oh, you're the Monday, you know, in the
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show, like, use those type of words and it's accepted, I
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guess. And people know what that means
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more than before. So.
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Right. Yeah.
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That show is so popular even it's not only the.
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Children, it's everyone. And I heard the songs are
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amazing, yeah. Do you have a YouTube channel
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called Rich Nurse? You're my sombe.
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Actually, you have many following, some subscribers and
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viewers. I'm like, oh.
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No. When do I get there?
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You will get there. Why rich nurse?
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What does that mean? So I chose the name Rich Nurse
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because it's easy to remember and it's more intuitive.
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So my initial goal as a nurse when I was in nursing school was
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to get my nursing PhD and become a tenured professor.
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That was my initial goal. And then after working as AER
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nurse in New York and I also worked in Boston, Nebraska, I
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realized that just working W2 and working as a nurse, I may
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not achieve the life that I want to pursue.
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Meaning my parents and my family is in Korea.
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So if I want to go back to Korea and just want to spend time with
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my parents, would I be able to do that working as a nurse tied
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to a job? I thought that that was not the
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path that I wanted to see myself in, in 1020, thirty years.
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So I started to think, what are some other ways that I can make
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income? Because finance is something
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that we have to consider, right? Sure.
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So I was reading, I was listening to podcast, I was
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watching YouTube about different investment approaches.
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And then I thought to myself, I wish I knew this when I was in
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college. I wish I started just saving
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$100 a month maybe. And then with compound interest
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it'll be much more by now. I'm 33 so so I started YouTube
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channel and I was thinking I wish more nurses knew this even
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one year earlier or one month earlier and start investing or
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saving. So that's why I have my YouTube
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channel as rich nurse because I want to talk about money freely
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and also educate nurses about it because I was so ignorant on on
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this topic. And also the second goal that I
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have the diverse nursing paths paths.
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Why I want to speak about it is because when I was in nursing
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school, I thought education or bedside nursing were the only
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choices that I can have as a nurse.
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However, when I graduated and pursuing my masters, I
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accidentally had to choose my major, change my major from
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clinical nursing to leadership and education and admin because
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I failed my clinical. OK.
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So yeah. And then I saw nurses who are
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working in consulting firms. I saw nurses who had their own
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businesses. I had nurses who were doing
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things that I didn't imagine that was possible.
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So I wanted to talk to nurses about their experience who are
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pursuing their paths, who are non traditional way of nursing.
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Because if nursing students didn't know what they wanted to
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do or if a nurse is considering different paths than taking care
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of patients in a hospital, they can know their potentials and
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they can know what options they have.
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And I think that's a very important when evaluating your
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values and your options in the future.
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How do you compound your education or financial literacy?
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I believe in small steps and maybe just one episode of
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pockets of real estate today, but if I do that every day, it
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will be massive inside or experience that piled up in my
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head. So I really believe in investing
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in myself and it doesn't have to be like huge, massive success.
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It can be, as I said, listening to podcast, it can be talking to
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an investor and listening to their stories.
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I can be just walking down the street and ask a constructor
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company's name. So I might have it in the
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future. So those small steps, I believe
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that they're going to grow and get compounded.
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And that's how I want to like think of it so I'm not too
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overwhelmed. What is your goal when you reach
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your financial stability? My goal, I have many while
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working with people who are sick or got sick, I realize that life
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is short and there's some things that we tell ourselves, let me
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do this. And then we push it, push it,
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push it. And then it becomes a few years
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later. And we don't live forever.
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So we don't have, we have limited time with our parents,
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right? And especially because I'm in
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living in a different country, I see them once a year.
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So if I want to travel to Korea and see them, spend time with
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them, that's one of the things that I want to do if I don't
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have to work for the sake of earning.
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Also, this is my long term goal but I want to have a foundation
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where I can help with education. I really believe in the power of
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education because the reason How I Met you or how I am living
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here working as a nurse is because I had a privilege to be
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able to get educated. And I know that there are some
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people who don't have means to do that and there are some
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people who don't know how to. So I wish and I hope that I can
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help them. And I when I was little, when I
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was in elementary school, my dad had a little foundation for it,
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like middle school girls to help them with tuition.
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So I, I still have that memory of them writing letters.
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And my dad would show them to me.
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So that's one of the things that I wanted to do, too.
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Yeah. You, you have the legacy
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already. Follow.
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That's wonderful. Yeah.
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Thank you. Yeah, what a blessing.
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I know. Yeah, truly.
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What does your portfolio look like?
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All right, now I am in investing in real estate, residential real
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estate. So where I am recording this
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right now, it's a condo in New Jersey.
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So I bought it in 2022 with 5% down because I had an intention
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of living in it and renting it out.
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So at the time in order to save, I lived in the living room and I
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rented out two rooms that I have.
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So I had some rental incomes and I was able to save.
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You know, it's very expensive to live in New York and New Jersey.
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So that's how I saved. And then while I was doing
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travel nursing at the time, I bought my second property in
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Rochester, NY, in upstate because the price was cheaper.
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I was more affordable. And it was to my radius and had
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three colleges and 3-4 hospitals.
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So I thought it was a good place to buy.
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So I also moved there. And in order for me to put down
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as little as possible, so I lived there also.
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And then I moved back to New Jersey.
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And so the Rochester one is an Airbnb.
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And yourself taught. I'm not married and I don't have
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children. So I thought that this was a
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time that I could do this like sacrifice my space and in order
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for me to save, because if I have a child, it'll be
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difficult. Like I'll have to have a space
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and I'll have to also think of my husband's thoughts and ideas.
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So let me just do this now and I can.
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That was my thought process. Oh, my goodness.
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Like, I mean, you're young still.
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And how do you, I mean, most, most people in their early 30s
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don't think this way. I don't think So what got you
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into thinking this way? Was it your family background?
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What? What is it?
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It was the desire to be wealthier.
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I'll be, I'll be honest, how I like.
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Started to educate myself, like reading and the stuff that I
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mentioned. And one of the books mentioned
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that 90% of Americans who became millionaires did it through real
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estate. So I was like, what is there in
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real estate? I need to learn, but it was
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scary because it's an asset or property that you have to
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manage. It's not you can invest like
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stock and you can forget about. So I had a hurdle and I just
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pushed it for a year or two and then I told myself I'll just buy
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something and I'll live in it. If anything goes wrong, I'll
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just live in it and I'll figure it out.
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So that's, yeah, how I was able to start.
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And also it was the era of lower interest rate, so I think that
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helped too. What drives you?
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What drives me? I want to be a lifelong learner
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and then that's what gives me joy.
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So learning new things and meeting new people who have
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insight who and who are walking the path that I want to walk,
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that is joyful for me just and that's my motivation.
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Sure, you're so much so. Thank you man.
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No, seriously. I I really no very few people in
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their early 30s who would think this way or plan out there is
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future like this, you know, I mean, they still enjoy, you
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know, fine dining and shopping and not really necessarily
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thinking about. I want to be successful,
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financially independent and stable.
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Very nice. Thank you.
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I think it was also the thought or appreciation for my parents
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because I one day want to have children.
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Yeah, I know. You have four children, so I
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don't know how you did it. I don't either.
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Yeah, how I admire you so much. It just happened.
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And one day, if I want to provide for my children, like I
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need to be financially stable for me to become the shield.
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So that's one of the things that I was going through my head too.
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As a YouTube and I'm sure you have met many many people, what
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is most memorable person that you have met?
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Right now, the person that pops up in my head is Sister
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Kellister Roy, who is a nursing legend.
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I knew her before nursing school because of my mother, because
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her thesis for nursing PhD was based on her theory.
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And I'm Catholic and I went to Boston College was a which is a
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Jesuit college and Sister Roy was a professor there.
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So I knew that she was there, but I really didn't have a
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chance to connect with her. However, she retired a few years
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ago and she retired in Los Angeles after I started my
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YouTube, but I wanted to invite her to the channel.
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And then thankfully they contacted her and she emailed me
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like she was one of the The Pioneers.
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And it was very enlightening for me to be able to listen to her
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story. The person that I read from
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textbook and the way she explained about nursing.
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And she has Roy adaptation theory, which is explaining that
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a person is not only the physiological or psychological,
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there is environmental, there's social, there's so many stimuli
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and you have to understand it as a nurse, understand a whole
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human being in order to be able to take care of them.
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So yeah, that is one of the interviews that pops up in my
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hat right now. How inspiring, right?
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It was, we all have different stories and I have gotten to
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value the story sharing more after meeting different people,
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whether they're investors, nurses, because I could study
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different nursing class and talk about in my channel.
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But that can't compare to talking to the person who are
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working in the field or who have learned over the years and have
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their own insight. So I really value listening.
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That's one of the things that I have.
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I've gotten to learn more because listening is simple but
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very difficult. You know this man.
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And then you need to be attentive to what they're
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saying. You have to remember and also
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empathize with them. And those are things that I'm
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still working on and have gotten to appreciate more through
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meeting different people through the YouTube.
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What is your biggest challenge in listening?
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You know, we can't control thoughts.
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There are some things that while I'm listening, what I'm gonna
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eat for dinner today, sometimes there are some things that I
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can't control. But I have to tell myself focus.
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And at first it was difficult to just focus on the what they're
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saying and not focus on what I have to say.
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Because as interviewer, you understand that there are some
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follow up questions that you have to ask.
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There are some things as a common, what should I say?
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What is the, the right way to say this?
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So those were the hardest thing that I had to think about when I
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first started. I can relate.
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What's your attempt? Well, I think, you know, my
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background is in counseling, so that really helps.
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But I think the biggest thing is really genuinely have interest
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in this person that I'm talking with.
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Go in with curiosity. Right.
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That's so important. What does it mean to be a 1.5
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generation for you? So I was thinking about this
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question and I'll be honest, I have never thought of myself as
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1.5. I think because I came to this
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country as a student, it's not that my whole family moved.
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Now I have green card so that makes me an immigrant.
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But when I was going to school, when I was working, even then, I
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didn't think I was 1.5 generation because I saw other
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1.5 couples and I didn't think that I had similar concerns.
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I don't know whether it's my personality, but I never wanted
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to become American. I don't know how it sounds, but
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it's because that I always knew. And I still think my route is in
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Korea and that's my country. So I am living in the States.
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And now I'm way more comfortable being in this country, in this
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culture, meeting people. Guess I have embraced or learned
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to embrace who I am and I didn't really think to myself, oh why?
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Like when I first was move, when I first moved to Canada when I
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was in high school, that was one of my struggles.
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Like why can't I speak English like my friends?
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I don't understand the culture. I don't know the drama, I don't
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know the celebrities because I didn't grow up there.
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It's obvious that I know more of Korean culture, Korean language,
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because I was there my entire life at the time, for 16 years.
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But now, because it has been like 5050, me living in Korea
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and me living in here, I am more comfortable.
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I think that's why I don't really think of myself as oh I'm
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not fully immersed into this. Culture.
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Yeah, I see. 'Cause I was listening to your
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other interviews with other 1.5 interviewees and the things that
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they have mentioned about the identity struggles, not
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belonging to Korea, not belonging to becoming American
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and growing up with in the Korean household.
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I definitely relate to that. I guess I thought I have always
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had a place to be in Korea because my parents are there.
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I think that's why I didn't really feel I was fully
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isolated. Yeah.
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That's a really good point. You feel more rooted as your
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family back in Korea, whereas queer pose are kind of unrooted
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and moved here. And then there's no route.
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We're not, you know, trying to root, be rooted here, but then
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not yet. So I think that's the biggest
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struggle. That's a really good point.
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Yeah. You knew where where you belong,
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right? And imagine the parents, when
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they move to the states, they also have to adjust to the new
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environment. They also so need to think about
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their children and they're not used to living and with speaking
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in English or making money here and that in itself is struggling
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too. And for children to be with that
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and also struggle themselves in school and in social circles and
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what not, I think that can be more struggling now I think
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about it. Yeah, it's a huge challenge, I
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think. And even still, even still for
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those children, that generation from 70s and 80s are all grown
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up now, and now dealing with another set of immigrant
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struggles with the parents and, yeah, and the parents in their
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30s and 40s coming to the states, not speaking the
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language and not knowing the system they had to survive,
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right? Yeah.
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So I think it's a complicated sociological issue story, you
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know, generational event. It's very, very interesting to
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me and I feel so heartbroken at times, but then at awful at the
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same time. You know, we always say be out
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of comfort zone and it's just the way it has just, you know,
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suck it up. But sometimes you need someone
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to hug you. Like sometimes you need to be
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into a sorcerer circle or be in an area or a place for you to be
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embraced. I always, you know, told myself
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you have to do more. Like you have to be with people
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that you don't know and you have to learn.
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Go, go, go, go. But sometimes you need a break
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and there is so much value and resting too.
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That's how I have learned this year, more recently.
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So when you said that you took two months break, I thought that
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was very wise because you know, living and make a living as a
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1.5 or any immigrant, it is difficult, it is challenging.
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It's your life, it's you is the main character in your life.
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I know it's a cliche, but if you have to rest, if you have to be
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in your comfort zone and stay there for months, years, that's
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OK. That's what I have neglected I
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think many years and there is an importance in doing that.
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Wise words from chewing me. Seriously, I.
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Hope it helps. No, really, I'm I'm very sincere
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in saying that because I am just kind of blown away by how wise
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the young people are these days. I know that makes me sound
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really old, but no, really, I'm really amazed.
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Like I didn't know that. Yeah, in.
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My 30s. Yeah, No, I I wish more people.
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No. And just pat yourself in the
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shoulder and you did a good job today.
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That's OK. That's right.
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Yeah. Good job.
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Yeah. You showed up.
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Right. Yes, exactly.
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Yeah, yeah. I usually don't really talk
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about personal stuff in interviews so it was new to me
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and also I had fun. Good, wonderful.
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I'm glad you had fun. I did.
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I like to have fun. Yes.
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Yeah. People think I'm very serious,
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but I'm really not. Yeah, I could be, but.
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Right. I think so.
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And I laughed a lot today. I'm good.
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Yeah. So did I, Yeah, Yeah.