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The (Not So) Charitable Cheat with Gabe Dunn (Fraud Friday) · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: Scam goddess. What's popping, congregation? It's your girl, Scam Goddess, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 1: Lacey Mosley, and we are back for another installment of
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  Speaker 1: Scam Goddess Pandemic Edition. Like I always say, guys, we're
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  Speaker 1: not going to talk about that because you're living it, right? Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I'm super excited today. I always say I'm excited. I
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  Speaker 1: know I get on y'all nerves. Say it with me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm super excited. Thank you. For our guest, Miss... This woman,
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  Speaker 1: she's so talented. She's so funny. She has a great
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  Speaker 1: podcast called Bad With Money. She also has another amazing
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  Speaker 1: podcast called Just Between Us. She's a New York Times
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  Speaker 1: bestselling author, honey. Miss Gabby Dunn.
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  Speaker 2: Hi!
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  Speaker 1: And what... Hi. What book is the best-selling book? Because
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  Speaker 1: I also want to say that because the hoes need
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  Speaker 1: to read right now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's called I Hate Everyone But You.
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  Speaker 2: It's the first book that I wrote with my co-host
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  Speaker 2: on Just Between Us, Allison Raskin. So that was our
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  Speaker 2: first book.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It came out in, gosh, 2017. And then a
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  Speaker 2: sequel came out last year called Please Send Help. And
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  Speaker 2: it's YA. So it's a very easy, breezy read. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's the one that got on the New York Times
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  Speaker 2: bestseller list. It was very exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. I mean, that's a huge accomplishment. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to have to pick that up because you know I
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  Speaker 1: met your partner. I met Allison on the YouTube space
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  Speaker 1: doing like some kind of short TV show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. She knew you already because you were a guest
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  Speaker 2: on our show. And she had– I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: love Scam Goddess. And Allison was like, I know her.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Well– Excuse me.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Thank you. I know y'all too now, honey. I
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  Speaker 1: know some authors, honey. A bitch is cultured, okay? We're
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  Speaker 1: going to have to have a party with wine and
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  Speaker 1: cheese when we can leave so I can parade you
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  Speaker 1: around on my friends.
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  Speaker 2: She wrote a book.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I remember. She wrote a book, okay? And she
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  Speaker 1: know me and I know her, okay? So I also
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  Speaker 1: too in turn wrote a book. You see how that works?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man. Wait, what's your relationship with scams, Gabby? Do
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  Speaker 1: you have a relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed?
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  Speaker 1: Do you like them? Do you hate them? Do you
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  Speaker 1: feel like you're a scammer or no?
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  Speaker 2: I like to do a good scam, but they're like
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  Speaker 2: small scams. So I wrote a book also called... I
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  Speaker 2: wrote another book.
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  Speaker 3: I wrote a book called.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, books. I wrote a book called Bad With Money,
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  Speaker 2: which was based on my podcast. And I had a
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  Speaker 2: whole chapter about scams I used to pull when I
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  Speaker 2: was in my early 20s in New York.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 2: because New York seems to be kind of the city
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  Speaker 2: of scams because you can just like do whatever you
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  Speaker 2: want there.
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  Speaker 3: It's very strange.
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  Speaker 2: But, uh, so like I, I wrote this whole chapter
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  Speaker 2: and then they had me cut it because like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it was, I guess, bad or, um, they
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  Speaker 2: were like, we can't have you advocate for like, so,
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  Speaker 2: but they're like small scams. Like basically it was like,
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  Speaker 2: if you need an umbrella, don't ever buy an umbrella.
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  Speaker 2: Just walk into a hotel, be like, I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I was here yesterday and I left my umbrella. And
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  Speaker 2: then they'll just, or like a Starbucks or something. And
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  Speaker 2: they'll just give you an umbrella. Or like if you,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't ever buy a phone charger, like go
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  Speaker 2: to a hotel and be.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I'm so sorry. I like worked here.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Like, you know, I was working on my laptop here
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  Speaker 2: yesterday and I left my charger. Like, can I look
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  Speaker 2: in your lost and found boom, a charger. Like you're never,
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  Speaker 2: There's certain things you don't ever have to spend money on.
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  Speaker 2: And so, but then I wrote that in the book
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  Speaker 2: and they were like, we can't advocate for lying and scheming.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, but that's the truth about how
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  Speaker 3: you save money.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's been interesting doing a show about money where
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  Speaker 2: you kind of, I'm very honest on the show and
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy about that because like a lot of times
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  Speaker 2: it'll be like, the way that you make money is
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  Speaker 2: you do this, you do that. It's like very- Like,
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  Speaker 2: here's the... If anybody could do it, you just pull
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  Speaker 2: yourself up by your bootstraps and you get this thing
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. But to be honest, a lot of it is, like, scamming. Like,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of it is stuff like that or, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's been interesting to.
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  Speaker 2: It's been interesting to find the balance between giving people
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  Speaker 2: practical advice and also sharing the truth of what people
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  Speaker 2: do to make money. Cause sometimes if you're scamming, like
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  Speaker 2: I talk about like a little bit about like shoplifting
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  Speaker 2: in the book and like, don't shoplift from like a
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  Speaker 2: mom and pop, but like if it's a Walmart or
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  Speaker 2: like a, you know what I mean? Like there's a
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  Speaker 2: real loose sort of, Like, if it's like a chain,
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  Speaker 2: like a big chain that's unethical, like, scam away.
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  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, we just call that Robin Hood. And also,
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  Speaker 1: when you go and get an umbrella and you get, like,
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  Speaker 1: a charger from a hotel, which I have done the
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  Speaker 1: charger thing at a hotel before. I lost my charger
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  Speaker 1: for real, so I needed to find somebody else's charger. Right.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 1: It's recycling. They have drawers of these things.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: They're not going to do anything with them. That is recycling,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion. Your editors was hating, but they're probably
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  Speaker 1: also right because, you know. Yeah. You don't want to
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  Speaker 1: admit to crimes in a book. No.
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  Speaker 2: But is it a crime? It's like, is it?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, shoplifting, yes. But like, is it a crime?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's also like. The hotel thing, that's
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  Speaker 1: like a gray area. It's not a.
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  Speaker 2: Crime, but it's also, but I also did get scammed
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  Speaker 2: because I had, do you know those apps that are like,
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  Speaker 2: what is it called? There's like those apps that you
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  Speaker 2: can like sell things on and it's like, or you
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  Speaker 2: trade things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like Poshmark and shit like that, right?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's ones where you meet up in person. It's like.
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  Speaker 1: Like Craigslist?
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  Speaker 2: It's like... Murderer's List?
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  Speaker 3: It's like Craigslist.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's like Craigslist, but not Craigslist.
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  Speaker 1: Is it seedier or better than Craigslist? It's supposed to... Like,
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  Speaker 1: when you go, like, on a one to ten, like,
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  Speaker 1: how much murder are you expecting? Right.
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  Speaker 3: So it's supposed to be, like, better than Craigslist.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: But it's actually... What is it called?
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  Speaker 2: It's called, like.
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  Speaker 2: I want to say it's called, like, Left Behind. That's
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  Speaker 2: not accurate.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on. Hold on. That sounds like that book where
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  Speaker 1: all the people's clothes evaporated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I always wanted that to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Selling.
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  Speaker 3: I want to get raptured.
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  Speaker 2: You want to get raptured?
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I want to get raptured. I'm not trying
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  Speaker 1: to be the last bitch on earth. I'm trying to...
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  Speaker 1: I'll get naked right here and now to get raptured.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Ugh.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, I'm not going to be able to find it.
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  Speaker 2: But basically... It's okay.
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  Speaker 1: People will tweet us. I know. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: There's a few of them.
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  Speaker 2: But basically I went on one to sell a bracelet
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  Speaker 2: and I got to the, we met up in public
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  Speaker 2: in a parking lot and I got to the, to
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  Speaker 2: the place and he was holding a baby, an infant,
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  Speaker 2: the guy. And he was like, and I was like, he,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay. Here's the, he was like,
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  Speaker 2: here's my baby or whatever. And then I was like, OK,
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  Speaker 2: here's the bracelet. And then he was like, great, I'll
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  Speaker 2: go get the money. And then he just got in
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  Speaker 2: his car with the baby and left. So he.
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  Speaker 1: So was the baby there to distract you?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: He used his baby as a. Yeah, he used his
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  Speaker 2: baby to be like, see, I'm safe. I'm a good
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  Speaker 2: person or whatever. And then you just.
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  Speaker 1: Most babies are unemployed. So I'm glad that that baby
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  Speaker 1: got a profession because it's time. Babies be out here
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  Speaker 1: just lounging around, not doing shit, not contributing to the household.
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  Speaker 1: So this baby is contributing financially. And I appreciate that baby.
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  Speaker 2: You talk about on the show, like people using things
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  Speaker 2: to seem trustworthy. And like having a kid with you
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  Speaker 2: is like a huge one. Like now I realize like
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean anything if someone has a baby. Bad
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  Speaker 2: people have babies all the time. But it is like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: that baby is like being used as an accessory in crimes.
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  Speaker 3: And the baby is like a baby.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. And then I love little pickpocketers. I
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  Speaker 1: love like a little just like English pickpocket toddler.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it made me feel OK about it was like
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  Speaker 2: whatever the bracelet was like, whatever. And I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know what? Sometimes I'm like jokes on me, like
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  Speaker 2: fool me once, like, OK, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: That's a freebie because I assume I try to assume
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  Speaker 2: when someone is scamming the way that like when I
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  Speaker 2: was scamming, it's because I was desperate. So like I
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  Speaker 2: try to assume that like, oh, that you know what?
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  Speaker 2: That baby needed food like that person did that because
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  Speaker 2: the baby needed food or something like.
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  Speaker 1: Baby just got some Similac. Big jump. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or like even I have like weird empathy. Like even
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  Speaker 2: when some like a Postmate takes your food, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: you know what? They probably needed it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the same way too with Postmates. It sucks sometimes
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  Speaker 1: because I've had them steal my food and then the
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  Speaker 1: food place or wherever I ordered it from is closed.
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  Speaker 1: So now I can't even get that. And I had
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  Speaker 1: my mouth all ready for it. And so I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: that hurts. It really does. It's happened to me several times.
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  Speaker 1: But you're right. I try to be more empathetic. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to go out like Lizzo tweeting bitches photos
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  Speaker 1: and shit like, this hoe stole my food.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So then I did. So then I got robbed.
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  Speaker 2: When that happened, I called the police. It took like
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  Speaker 2: two hours for them to get back to me. And
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  Speaker 2: then they were like, took a description of the guy
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  Speaker 2: and then they were like, what happened?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, well, you know, he was holding
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  Speaker 3: a baby.
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  Speaker 2: I gave him the bracelet. He went to his car
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  Speaker 2: to get money and just got in the car and
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  Speaker 2: drove off or whatever. And they were basically like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that sucks. And let me just say, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to tell you this, the, anytime I've
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  Speaker 2: called the police for like something happening, I have never
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  Speaker 2: been met with anything other than, yeah, that sucks. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I've never.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the police are here to harm people. They're not
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  Speaker 1: really here to help.
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  Speaker 2: It's not even harming, obviously, to me because I'm white,
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  Speaker 2: but it was just like, it's just every time I've
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  Speaker 2: called them for something, it's been met with a shrug. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I got robbed. I got mugged in Paris, and I
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  Speaker 2: went to the police, and they were like, what do
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  Speaker 2: you want us to do? And I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. Look into the mugging?
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  Speaker 1: Like... Yeah, you got to be Kim Kardashian to get
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  Speaker 1: them to look into your mug.
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  Speaker 2: It was so, the amount of, like, so I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this guy's, like, apparently running a scam.
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  Speaker 3: Like, here's his profile on the website. Like, here's his
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  Speaker 3: scam thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like, he's clearly, like, probably got multiple profiles.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll be able to find other people to, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, whatever. And they were just like, ah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: seems like a lot of work. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's happened to me. I had somebody do a hit
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  Speaker 1: and run on my car. And I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: I reported it. I did the non-emergency 911 because I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want them to show up because I am black.
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  Speaker 1: And when we call the police, they are here to
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  Speaker 1: harm us. You know, they do wellness checks. You won't
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  Speaker 1: be well after the check. Right. So I was like,
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  Speaker 1: non-emergency police, please do not show up where I am.
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  Speaker 1: And I told them what happened. And they were like, damn, sis,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that really sucks. Yeah, you could file a
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  Speaker 1: report or whatever, but we'd never go find a guy.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, okay. Like, it was just for show. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into what's hot in fraud. So this is
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  Speaker 1: actually something that's popped up during quarantine, but I guess
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  Speaker 1: it's been around for a while. It's the reemergence of
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  Speaker 1: a scam known as the Circle Game or Blessing Circle
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  Speaker 1: or Mandala Game, just in case you're seeing a different
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  Speaker 1: version of one of these things. But all three of
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  Speaker 1: those are the same scam. So police in California are
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  Speaker 1: warning the public that there's a reemergence of an online
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  Speaker 1: scam called the Circle Game, which asks people to pay
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  Speaker 1: an entry fee in order to play. So basically what
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  Speaker 1: it does is you pay $ 100. Oh, it's also been
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  Speaker 1: called the Loom Circles. they have so many names for
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  Speaker 1: this shit. Anything with circle, don't get involved unless it's
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  Speaker 1: on Netflix. Cause clearly it's some bullshit. But so according
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  Speaker 1: to the police, Most recent versions of the scheme promise
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  Speaker 1: $ 800 return on a $ 100 investment. In order for the
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  Speaker 1: first eight people to be paid, 64 new people have
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  Speaker 1: to buy in. In order for those 64 people to
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  Speaker 1: be paid, 512 people have to buy in, so on
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  Speaker 1: and so forth. So this is just like an OG
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  Speaker 1: pyramid scheme.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was about to say that's a pyramid scheme.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone knows what that is, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but it's called Loom Circle Girl. We got new
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  Speaker 1: names for it. Like, Loom sounds like goop. That sounds
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  Speaker 1: like a wonderful white lady brand that I want to
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  Speaker 1: be a part of. You know what I mean? It's
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  Speaker 1: just a pussy candle. And a loom circle. That sounds refreshing.
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  Speaker 2: A loom is what you, like, knit on. So it
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  Speaker 2: is kind of, like, it seems, like, safe and comforting.
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  Speaker 1: Right. This is, like, a middle-aged white woman activity.
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  Speaker 2: Like, looming.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So, like, they're like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting involved. I'm telling my friends. So, guys... Eventually,
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  Speaker 1: once enough people are recruited and enough money is sent
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  Speaker 1: to the game's founding member, the system collapses and people
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  Speaker 1: lose money, according to the police department. So you'll lose money,
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  Speaker 1: and also this activity is technically illegal in the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: But why would someone pay the entry fee?
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  Speaker 1: Because the whole point is, like, okay, you pay $ 100,
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  Speaker 1: and then once you round up enough people, your loom, circle,
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  Speaker 1: you know, candlelit, whatever the fuck you call it, the mandala...
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  Speaker 1: You get paid. By who? By the people who are
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  Speaker 1: buying in. So let's say we start with eight people, right?
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  Speaker 1: Then those eight people have to each recruit eight more people.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you get 64 people who have paid the $ 100,
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  Speaker 1: all eight people who started the scam get paid their money.
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  Speaker 1: And then if those 64 people who have now been
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  Speaker 1: roped into the scam want to get their coins as well,
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  Speaker 1: they have to go out and recruit eight people each
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  Speaker 1: and get 512 people to donate $ 100. And then they
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  Speaker 1: get their coins. But there's one person who starts it
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  Speaker 1: and they get most of the money. And then they disappear.
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  Speaker 3: So you know you're actively scamming your friends?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Well, you think you're getting them in on the
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  Speaker 1: loom circle, girl. You're trying to get them relaxed.
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  Speaker 2: Money has to come from somewhere. Do people know that?
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  Speaker 2: It's not a renewable resource. It has to come from someone.
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  Speaker 2: So eventually, at the end of the thing, there's a nobody.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. But here's the thing though, like with GoFundMe and crowdfunding,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand the difference between crowdfunding
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  Speaker 1: and a pyramid scheme. So you might think like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is like a little GoFundMe, like we all put
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  Speaker 1: in a dollar, but then I get to take home
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  Speaker 1: $ 500 because everybody gave me $ 1. Like you think of
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  Speaker 1: it more that way than you think of it like
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  Speaker 1: a pyramid scheme.
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  Speaker 3: I am not good at math.
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  Speaker 2: So I wouldn't even be able to be scammed by
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  Speaker 2: this because the person would, I feel like it would
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  Speaker 2: be like, The person would be explaining this, like, to
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  Speaker 2: me what I need to do. And I'd be like,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't, like, I wouldn't be able to visualize
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  Speaker 2: the numbers. And they'd give up. Like, they'd be like, look,
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  Speaker 2: we tried to talk.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: Her into a scam, but she is too stupid.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Like, we can't. Like, she is too dumb.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: They kick you out of the circle. She was like,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: so who do I give? Who am I giving $ 100 to?
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: And then they, do I rob somebody? Because how do you? Like, Gabby,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: we're actually going to take you out of the circle.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Gabby, but we're removing you from the circle.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: You've actually asked way too many questions. And because like money,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: because then like where does the money come from? Am
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I dumb? Lacey, what am I not understanding? Am I stupid?
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: No, you're not. It's just like when you crowdfund on GoFundMe.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Like everybody gives like $ 50, $ 1, $ 10.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: But I don't expect to get that money back when
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I give it to GoFundMe.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Right. But in this situation, it's like if you had
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: a GoFundMe going on and then you were like, okay,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give $ 100. They're going to give me
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: $ 800 as soon as I get eight of my friends
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: to give $ 100. That's how I get my money back.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: And then my friends are now involved in the scheme
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: and they go get eight more friends so that they
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: can get $ 800. So technically all you had to invest
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: was $ 100, but then you go get eight of, you know,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: your home working Facebook moms. You go on the neighborhood
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: watch group and you get $ 100 from them. And then
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: that's how you get paid out.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: So you have to just like not care about your friends.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. I, late... You have to rob loved ones. Okay,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: so Lacey can see me. The people watching cannot. My face,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I can see myself too. My face this entire time
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: has been like that meme of the old woman thinking
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: about math.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Like my face this whole time has been like squinting.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: All the numbers on the screen. I was like, where
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: did these numbers come from?
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: This is a rough one for me. This is where you,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: everyone who follows me finds out I'm dumb.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: No look it's it's better to not understand and participate
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: in these sorts of things because you never get your
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: money back because all the money when you first start
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: recruiting people is going to the person who started the
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: scam and then eventually they just.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Why is this happening right now during quarantine because people
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: are just home.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah people are home and like easy money is a
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: thing and we talk about the despo meeting we talk
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: about Like, okay, if it seems too good to be true,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: it probably is. If you over here calling your cousins
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: trying to get them to donate $ 100 to the Mandala Project, like, girl, no. Yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Don't do it. And they got cute little photos, too.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: They got, like, a little, it's like a little map
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: where they put the names on it in the blessing circle,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: and it kind of looks like a diamond.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Let me see if I can.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. When there's artwork, that's where it's convincing.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can see this. Oh, no.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: This is the little art. And so they put the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: names on the little parts of the diamond. So it'd
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: be like Gabby, Lacey, Scammer, Criminal.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: So it's like paying to be in like a top eight,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: like a MySpace top eight?
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, like a MySpace top eight. That's rough. Yes, but
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: with money. That she don't get.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems bad. You know, I've been.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Doing these giveaways where, like, people have been giving me
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: money and I've been doing these giveaways on Twitter for, like,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: you know, people that need to pay bills.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: And some people are really, like, trying... Like, they'll just request.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Like, they'll get my Cash App from it and then.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Or whatever.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: And then I'll just get, like, 100 requests on Cash
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: App just being, like... And I think they think that
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I'll just... be like, oh, you're right, I forgot. I
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: need to pay random person I've never met $ 100 for
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: groceries or they'll be like, you know, you owe me
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: money for this or whatever. Like, they think I'm just
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: going to... But you know what? If you don't shoot
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: your shot, even if it makes no sense, if you
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: don't shoot your shot, I guess you miss 100% of
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: the shots you don't take.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Right. And especially because you're on Twitter, you have a
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: good amount of followers and you are donating. And I
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: saw Yashar doing that, a few other people. Like, I'm
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: sure there are people who are like, maybe they're just rich, rich.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Let me just go over here and invoice.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Them real quick.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or like... Right.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not all my own money. But also like.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Or there's like people... I've noticed certain countries, like they'll
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: be like the same person over and over again with
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: different accounts. And it'll be like, it's almost always the Philippines.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, I see.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: And they write the same exact thing. And I'm like,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: this is such a quarantine era scam that people can pull.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Like I see people respond. the exact same thing over
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: and over again. And people just make accounts just to
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: follow these giveaways or whatever. And I'm like, they don't
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: actually need it. They're just like, this is my time.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Right. Or maybe they do need it. That's true. Scamming
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: is a profession. Scamming is a job. And I'm sure
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the scammers have also been laid off. I'm sure scammers
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: are underemployed right now and they can't file for unemployment.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: What they're supposed to tell the government their previous job
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: was robbery. I need to file for robbery. I have
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: not been able to break into anybody's homes because they
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: are currently present at them. And that's really damaging the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: robbery industry.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, that's so true.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: We need a stimulus package for the robbers. Look, without
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: the robbers, we don't have ADT. You know how do
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you sell home security if nobody's trying to burglarize? They
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: are necessary in the ecosystem. So shout out to the
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: robbers out there. I know it's a tough time. These
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: are tough times for robbers. Oh my God. We're going
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Scams!
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back. And it is time for
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: my favorite segment of this podcast, Historic Hoodwinks. And guys,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to go ahead and tell you today.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I was talking to Gabby about this before we started recording.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to do this story. And you guys
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: have reached out to me about this story a lot.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: About this nasty bitch. And I hate this motherfucker so much.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: And I'm so sorry, but we are going to do it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: This is like not even all of the scams this
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: raggedy asshole has run on us. And if you don't
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: know by now who I'm talking about, I'm talking about 45.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Donald J. Raggedy bitch ass orange ass Trump. If you're
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: a Trump supporter, you might want to go ahead and
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: turn this shit off right now. But I'd be shocked
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: if you was just listening to a black bitch talk
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: all the time if you support Trump. Because I am
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: very black again. A reminder, I'm black.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: One thing, can I say?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: One thing I.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: very much adore about this show is that like, nobody
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: is forced to listen to it. And yet like, you'll
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: get you like, when you talk about the things that
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: are like, this show is very black. It's like, nobody's
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: making you like, yes, that is why that is the,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the person who is the host of the show. Like,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Like, like, you're like, Oh my God, the premise.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Love it. Could we replace the literal creator of like,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: it makes no sense. So I also like if you're like, I,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I love Trump. I love Trump. But I also love
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: hearing about scams. Oh, no, there's not any other place
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I could possibly hear about scams.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of that happened because like
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: original like kind of awards and write ups that we
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: got really likened us to the crime, like the true crime,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: which we are. We're true con. And so true crime
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: heads are like a different breed. They're like, you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: all in it. A lot of them are like bro-y
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: white dudes. And so they turn my shit on and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: they're like, who is this bitch? And why is she
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: opening her mouth?
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: They also like, it's also like we get emails to
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: JBU that are like, why don't you ever have like
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: people from the other side on?
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: And we're like, oh, cause we don't want to.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Cause we don't like them.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I don't need to.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: So anyway, if you like Trump, I guess skip this
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: one episode. Listen to the other episodes of Lacey's show.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can listen to all 30 whatever other episodes
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and just skip this one because, guys, we're talking about Trump.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Just so you guys know, because we don't like to
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: steal from our writers, a lot of this story comes
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: from Vanity Fair, and it's written by Bess Levin, November 7th, 2019.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: So shout out to Bess. Shout out to a... I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: think that's a queen. I can't tell by the name.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Bess could be any gender.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Shout out to a monarch.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: So... Right. So we're talking about specifically Donald Trump's charity scam. God,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: there's so many. He had the fake university.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: The ultimate scammer. The ultimate scammer.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yes. He scammed his way to the White House. And yes,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: he's terrible. But God, can you imagine going from just
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: being an Adderall poppin', cocaine sniffin', reality TV show host
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: who lies about his money... to president of the united
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: he didn't even want to.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Be president he was running to boost ratings for the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: apprentice like what the fuck he almost scammed himself whilst
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: scamming he like.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I remember his inauguration speech where he genuinely looked shocked
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: he was like what the fuck am i doing here
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: why is this happening he.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Played everyone and played himself.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: So donald trump's charity scam Back in June 2018, the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: New York Attorney General's Office sued the president, all three
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: of his adult children, and Donald J. Trump Foundation, accusing
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the charity of functioning as a little more than a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: checkbook to serve Trump's business and political interests. And said
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: he was engaging in a shocking pattern of illegality.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Shocking to who?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I think that is an ex- No one. No one
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: at this point. I mean, he came out and said
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: he would shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and he would
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: still be supported. And he really might shoot somebody on
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Fifth Avenue. That's the only thing he hasn't done. He
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: basically has.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing he could do that would turn
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the people that are diehard against him. Like, he's right.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: He could. He's done things that I would say are
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: worse than that. And like still, I mean, even like,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: even all, I mean, everything he's done has been a scam.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Like even, even not just the charity scam, but like
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: all of it has been scamming. I mean, since like
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the eighties and nineties, like people knew, knew that. And
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: he's had many things fall through that people like, it
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: was like common knowledge.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. And I mean, all of it. The
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: one thing that I will say about Trump is he
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: keeps it in the family. Everybody in his family is
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: doing crime. It's always time for crime at the Trump household.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: And he fails up is the thing.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Like women that have pulled scams are like destroyed forever.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: And then like men have pulled scams and they just
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: live to scam another day. So that's the whole story.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: There's definitely an inherent privilege. And this is a random
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: side note, but Ivanka had a shoe line back in
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the day. And this is before Trump was running for
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: office and shit. And I remember I used to try
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: them shoes on. Those shoes was narrow as fucking cheap
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: as hell. And I just want to say that. And
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with anything we're talking about.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: But the shoe business went out of business and I'm glad.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Who were those shoes for, Ivanka? Who? Jessica Simpson would never.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Jessica, I was literally about to say, Jessica Simpson's shoe
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: line is incredible.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: It is and she's got they're comfortable they're nice and
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: high you can run from the cops in them you
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: know she's really putting out the footwear the apparel i.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Was literally about to say like i like before you
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: said it i was about to be like you know
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: whose shoe line is great jessica simpson it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Was a shock to everyone because everybody was like oh
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: chicken of the sea jessica is stupid and she was
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: like jokes on you girls because i'm putting out the footwear.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: And it is popping uh.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: So the allegations in the suit also included a claim
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: that $ 10, 000 was spent on a portrait of the president
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: later found on display at one of his Florida hotels.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: The reason Trump's charity bought it was because nobody else
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: wanted it, his lawyer said in court. Oh, my God.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: So you commissioned a photo of yourself. Like, Trump, you
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: know you're not. We don't want to look at you.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: You're not a looker. Why are you getting paintings done?
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: And then you bought your own paintings? And then put
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: it on display.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: The problems just run so deep. Like even the thing
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: that's going on now where he's like, I take hydroxychloroquine.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Like I take it.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Like I, you know, when he's like promoting the COVID cure.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And then you find out that he has stakes in
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the company that makes it. Like it's always like you
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: could any avenue you go down with him. you will
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: find something that is a conflict of interest or something
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: that he's doing in order to like make more money.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: That's all it is. I mean, you talk about like,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: people talk about this all the time, but like you're
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: not supposed to have any conflict of interest as the president.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Like Jimmy Carter had a peanut farm and he sold it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Because he didn't want to look like he was going
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: to make any profit off of being president. Like, oh,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: people might buy more peanuts because he's the president.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: It would be unethical.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: So he sold it. Think about how fucking quaint that
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: is in comparison to what's going on now, where Trump
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: is literally just, like, promoting his own hotels and resorts
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: as president. Like, it is... Shocking.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: He does club appearances at the Mar-a-Lago. He does club
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: appearances as president. Can you imagine having a wedding party
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, the president's here. Pop a bottle.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Why is the president? Don't he got presidential stuff to
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: be doing? Why is he at the Mar-a-Lago? And he's
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: done several appearances. It makes people want to rent the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: hotel for their wedding because they want the president to
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: show up so they can take photos. It's crazy. Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I was like, how am I getting a free before
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: 11 flyer and the president is on?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Bitch, what?
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: They're talking about ladies. Ladies get in free. President Donald
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Trump gonna be in the VIP. If y'all want some
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Hennessy with the president.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: He's turned the whole thing into a money-making endeavor. And
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: he was doing, so what you're talking about, I mean,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: he was doing that before he was president. And charity
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and running a charity is a great quote-unquote way to
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: like launder money, essentially.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, because it's always just donations. Where do they come from?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: We've had so many scams that had a charity that
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: was just washing everything clean. These purchases are bizarre, though.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: He had $ 100, 000 that he used to settle a legal
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: dispute with the city of Palm Beach, which Trump resolved
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: by contributing the amount to the Fisher Foundation so he
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: didn't pay somebody. off to get rid of a case
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: two hundred fifty eight thousand dollars was used to settle
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: a lawsuit against trump and his businesses including a hundred
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: fifty eight thousand dollars to the martin greenberg foundation whose
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: founder sued trump national golf after it failed to pay
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: him a promise of million dollars for scoring a hole-in-one
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in a charity golf.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Tournament oh my god Oh, my God.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: He was like, my bad. We didn't give you the million.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: We'll give you $ 158, 000. $ 5, 000 was used to advertise Trump
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Hotels because that's charity. Eric Trump used his foundation money
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: rather than his own to pay for a $ 1, 600 copper
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: wine still and antique bottle washer. What the fuck is that?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: You lose, you get to be a certain level of
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: rich or you've started out as this level of rich.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: You've always been this level of rich and you lose
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: any perspective on like what the average person needs to
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: survive and live. And you lose any like, idea of
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: what things are worth or what money like I like
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: when I see celebrities houses and they're clearly a one
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: person they're not married they don't have kids whatever and
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the house has like eight bedrooms why why but you
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: convince yourself this is what I need and so it's
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: people like that we're like he's like What does a
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: copper still cost? $ 100, 000? Seems right. Here you go. Like,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: they just lose any concept or never had any concept of, like,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: what things should cost, what things do cost, and, like,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: where money should go and why.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Right. It's like that Curb Your Enthusiasm joke where they're like,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: do you know how much a banana costs?
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's Arrested Development.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: It's Arrested Development, but yeah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: How much could a banana cost, Michael?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: $ 10?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Like, it is so, yeah. And, like, they just don't,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: see it they just don't see it as um the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: way that like someone who knows where every dollar they
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: spend goes they just don't see it they're like we'll
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: use it to pay people off we'll use it for
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: this we'll use it for that like they just don't
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: have any concept of of how much money is worth.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Right but why are you out here pulling out your
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: charity checkbook for this like yeah i need a sixteen
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: hundred dollar cup a cup hold on let me.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Get my because of taxes why are you because of
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: taxes Because we've given a lot of things tax-exempt status,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: and a lot of our... What you're talking about, the
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: scam that you're talking about, Lacey, is promoted by our government,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: even before Trump, as always. The way that the government
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: works is giving tax-exempt status or bailouts to wealthy people
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: or corporations all the time.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: It's not like a glitch.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: It's a feature. Right. Yeah. And it's also like, oh,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: don't worry, guys, because when we give these tax breaks...
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: They're going to make new jobs. And then those new
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: jobs are going to be your employment. And then you'll
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: be trickling down. We all got our mouths open sitting
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: in the desert waiting for the fucking trickle down. That
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: shit is not coming. It's not. It's not coming. Especially now.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: We've all seen all the holes and cracks in the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: system that maybe some people have the privilege to ignore.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: But now it's like everyone gets to see how bad
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the government has been for so fucking long. Government is
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: a scam.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: The government is a scam.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Wow. I was talking about this before. I was like,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: if I pay a parking ticket, bitch, I want to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: see a pothole with my name on it. I want
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: to know exactly where the money went. I want to
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: see a stop sign that's sponsored by Lacey Mosley and
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: her no driving ads. I want to know where it's going. Yes. Yes.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: And that used to be the case. Like not that
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: that specifically, but like it wasn't so twisted where like
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: if you gave your money to a bank, that bank
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: was in your town.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Like you knew you were like, hey, Charlie, the banker,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: you live next door to me. My money is in
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: your bank.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Now the government has made it so that it's all
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: like federalized and like and like chains.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: And so you have no idea where your money is ever.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Amorphous.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: That's why. I keep my money out of my mattress.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going to bury it in my backyard.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Cause I don't know.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, so Eric Trump had a
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: foundation too, and his foundation pretty much did what it's
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: told its donors. It would do send its money to St.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Jude until a huge board turnover. Four of the seven
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: original board members who were personal friends of Eric left. Curious.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: They were replaced by 14 new board members. The majority
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: of whom owned all or much of their livelihoods to
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the Trump organization. So he got rid of his friends
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and then he got people who were his cronies. His
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: friends were probably like, you know, this stuff sounds illegal, Eric.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: He was like, okay, I'm gonna.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Have to let y'all go. Here's also an assumption that
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I think middle class people have, lower class people have
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: that is untrue, which is that the people that are
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: on boards for charities are rich people. Like, it's not like,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: oh my God, they're so busy going to like the
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: charity gala or they're like, they're really busy like raising
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: money for these things. Like a lot of times, like
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: you will raise a lot of money for a charity
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: and then that money will like, yes, some of it
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: go to the charity, but a lot of it goes
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: to pay the exorbitant salaries of the board members, of
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the people who like are in charge of the charity.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Like it is, it is this like thing that I
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: think makes people feel good, but it is really, if
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: you're giving to a charity, you really need to like
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: look up and take into account like what the breakdown
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: of your donation actually is.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Where your money's going, how much of it's going. Because,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many popular charities like American Red
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Cross and places like that where there's some shady shit
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: going on. The bigger you get, like, it's a little
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: more sketch. So he hires these 14 new board members
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: who were very much dedicated to the Trump organization. Six
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of them were full-time employees, including Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen. Oh, boy.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: You've heard that name. Eric was on the board, his wife, Laura,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: and nine of the 17 Eric Trump board members had
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: vested interest in money making side of trump empire duh
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: uh the trump eric trump's foundation wrote a 25 000
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: check to the george rodrigue foundation of the arts the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: same year uh george rodrigue who had said that his
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: famous blue dog painting sometimes sold for about 25 000
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: created a portrait of donald trump for the auction at
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: eric's event so this is the portrait of donald trump
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: that they said that.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: They couldn't oh no are you gonna show it to me.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Let me see.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Do we have it?
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine it being good. Chelsea, let's
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: see if we can search that. Okay. Okay. Oh, the dog.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: So that's the dog. That's cute. Yeah, but do we
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: have a picture of the truck? Oh, no.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: No.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad you got this in real time.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. Who the fuck?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Who the fuck drew this? Oh, my God. Y'all, Google
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Blue dog? Is that what you put in?
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: George Rodriguez.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Okay. So what are we looking at here?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: So put in George Rodriguez Trump, guys, when you're at home.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Google this.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: And look at this fucking photo.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: The dog looks like it has been forcibly fed LSD
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: and then told about mortality. Like, it looks so scared.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Why is Donald Trump blue? What is this flag? Child,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: this is the ugliest shit I've ever seen in my life.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: It's really bad.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Of course this didn't sell.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: It's really bad.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, so here's the thing. So I don't think
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: it even had to be good because the point of
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: it was to launder money, I assume.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Right. But they could have at least made it convincing
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: that it was like cute art that people wanted to
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: spend money on. That is the ugliest shit I've ever
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: seen in my life.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: But if that was a picture, if that was that
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: same picture, but it was of Beyonce, I would be
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: into it.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, well, Beyonce in any environment, too. The
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: portrait ended up hanging over the couch in Eric Trump's
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: house where he was photographed sitting beneath it two years later.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Eric was asked about it on a phone call interview
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: in Forbes the next day. So, wait a minute. This
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: is a different painting. So, this is a painting that
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: he commissioned that they sold for charity. This isn't even
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: the painting that Donald Trump paid $ 10, 000 for that hangs
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: in his Florida hotels. This is a different painting. They're
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: just using money to launder. Like, they're laundering through art.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Which we all know happens. That's a very easy way
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: to launder money. Wow. So Eric was asked about it
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: in a phone call interview with Forbes the next day.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: After being told Forbes had several other questions, he sent
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a paragraph-long text message which read, I love that there's
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: people who can just text Forbes. Because also Kanye does this.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: He be texting Forbes. That's impressive. So he says, I
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: was reflecting on it last night. This is Eric Trump.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I was reflecting on it last night, and I have
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: to say I was really disappointed when you said the
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: story would be fair. Seems like there is a motive
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: against either myself or my family, and if that's the case,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I would simply rather disengage. So they had questions about
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: this painting and this money, and he was like, you know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: and he immediately goes to playing the victim. Wow.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if I had a painting of my father in
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: my living room and then someone was like, can we
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: ask you some more questions about this painting?
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: And I was like, shut down the whole interview. That's weird.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: That's so weird.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: What's up with that painting? No, I'm not going to
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: be attacked. I'm not going to have my family attacked, bitch.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Cut the cameras ASAP. Take these mics off. He's like,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I just asked about a painting. He's like flipping the
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: table over. He's like, get the fuck out of my house.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: So this is the thing is that like there's something
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: shady about almost every move. And I think that if
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: you've grown up around that and this is like Trump
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: grew up wealthy and like the kids grew up wealthy.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: And so like if you've grown up around that, The
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: things that you've just normalized it. Like you just think
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that that's how things are done. That's how business is done.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: That's how that's how you make more. That's you just
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: make more money. That's how you do it. Like they
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's like I think they are just
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: so normalized in crime that they don't really understand that
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: what they're doing doesn't help. Like there's this thing with
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: rich people of like we deserve to be rich. We
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: deserve to keep getting more rich. It's called the prosperity gospel.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: And I talk about this in my book in relation
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: to Trump. It's the idea that if you are rich,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: you are morally superior. You must have earned it in
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: some way. God has blessed you because you are.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: you must be smarter than everyone.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: There's, there's no, if you're poor, you're stupid. And there's
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: a reason you're poor and you must be like morally inferior.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: And if you're a good person and like the reason
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: that you're rich is because like, so this is why, uh,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: economically disadvantaged people like Trump and voted for Trump, not
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: just because they see him as aspirational, but because they,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: the ultimate scam is this idea that He is wealthy
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: for a reason and people who are wealthy deserve it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Even with Jeff Bezos becoming a trillionaire, you see people
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: like who literally probably don't even make minimum wage arguing
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: in the comments on Twitter being like, I don't understand
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: why we're mad at him for being a trillionaire. He
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: came up with a great idea and he's rewarded for it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: And that's the American dream. And they have no concept.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I tweeted about that and had people in my comments
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: saying the same stuff. Like, well, why don't you learn
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: how to code and make your own Amazon? Literal direct
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: quote and shit. And I was like, out of all you,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to be rude, but I was like,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: out of all the motherfuckers in this comment section, I'm
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the most likely to become a billionaire. And I'm telling
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you this is bullshit. Like, what are you talking about?
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: It's really sad that we've tricked people because I think
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: that people don't understand that, like, Jeff Bezos, he's not
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: on his way to becoming a trillionaire because he was
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: selling mixtapes out of the trunk of his fucking car, bitch.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: He ain't get that shit like Master P on the streets.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: You know when you get a certain amount of money,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you get involved in government. You get involved in lobbying.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: You get involved in making sure that our IRS division
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the funds. is underfunded so that they cannot
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: audit a billionaire physically they can't and who do they
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: audit the middle class like you're paying a higher percentage
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: of taxes than these raggedy bitches and you trying to
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: be one of.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Them you're not gonna be a billionaire and uh he
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: historically is terrible to amazon employees like amazon employees suffer
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: and are not paid and are and are taken advantage.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Of so like this idea that like And I think
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: people because like, so Trump does all these scams and
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I think people really see it and they're not saying
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: it this way because they believe themselves to be good.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: But in their minds, they're like, well, if I was
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: that rich and that smart, that's, I would do that too.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Like there, it's kind of like a, like a, a
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: thing where they're like, they, they see it as like, well,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: if I, I would be committing these crimes, like getting
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: away with the crime of it all is like a,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: like a prize, right?
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And to an extent, I understand that because on the show, like, obviously,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: we love scammers. We love to see how people, like,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: you know, cheat the system. However, this is just, it's
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: detrimental in so many ways. And I think people don't
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: understand that we're not saying, like, oh, you can't make
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of money and then you want to take
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: it back because we want socialism. No, bitch, we just
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: want you to pay your fair share. Like, all these
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: billionaires would still be billionaires if they paid their taxes.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: There's a difference between the people you talk about who have,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: quote unquote, scammed or figured out ways to, like, get
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: to the top or make themselves better. And people who
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: come from wealthy families and greedily want more. If you're
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: a scammer who came from nothing and you're just trying
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: to like feed your baby who you're using in crimes, Godspeed.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: But like if you are already a billionaire and you're
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: disenfranchising people in order to become a trillionaire, like that's
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: not scamming. That's just like evil.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a sickness. It's hoarding. Like Jeff Bezos is
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: basically that episode of hoarding where you go in and
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the lady got 49,000 newspapers and she got lots of little,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: little trinkets and she keeps all the bottle caps off
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: her soda waters and stuff. That's Jeff Bezos.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: There's no reason for it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: He has a sickness. Right.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: So this is also like Trump. Trump could have just
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: continued on scamming. Why did he need to be president?
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Why become president?
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: It's just his lifelong obsession with Barack Obama, which is
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: so crazy. Because I've never seen another sitting president talk
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: about the last president as much as Donald Trump does.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Like, he always talking about this bitch. I'm like,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: he lives rent-free in your brain, huh? He just be
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: having dreams about Obama, sweaty on the beach, running through
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the waves, and he wakes up in a cold sweat. Like,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: what is this? Do you want to be with this man?
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: We all do. I understand. Oh, my God. But back
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: to this particular scam. So... The largest donation in the
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: 30-something year history of these Trump charities was $ 264, 000 to
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the Central Park Conservancy, which basically went to restoring a
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: fountain outside the Plaza Hotel with Trump owned at the time.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: So his biggest charitable donation was to a fountain in
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: front of his own hotel that he owned at the time.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: The smallest donation was $ 7. which was a foundation gift
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: to the Boy Scouts, which conveniently happened to be the
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: amount required to enroll a boy in the Scouts the
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: year that his son, Donald Trump Jr., was 11. So
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: he enrolled his son in the Scouts and used charity
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: money and only gave the Scouts seven dollars.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: So that is indicative of the scam. The bare minimum
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: and then your child benefits... It's almost like it is,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: it's just generational wealth and privilege. Like it's just the
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: whole thing of, also I'm sure he gets to put
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: on his taxes, like donated to the Boy Scouts.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Like I'm sure that's part of it too.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: $ 7.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: A lot of it is.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Just, it's all very for show.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of the scamming is like, When you
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: talk about like scamming for the arts and stuff, like
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: you can't really argue with that, right? Like if someone's like,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I donate to the arts, you're not going to like
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: look deeper into that. You're like, you're like, ah, yes,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the arts.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Love.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: I love arts.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: You know, like nobody.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I want them to keep doing art.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Paintings.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I love to look at them. Like you don't really.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Dance. Ballet. Missy Copeland. Yeah. Absolutely.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: So, like, there's nothing to argue. So, if you're like,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I donated to Boy Scouts, everyone's like, aw. Like, there's
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: nothing to argue with there.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: And so, ugh.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Well, this is how they got caught, which, I mean,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: did they ever really get caught? He's still our president.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: The Trump Foundation agreed to dissolve in December in the
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: face of an investigation. So, basically, they were being faced
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: with they were going to be audited. They were like,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: shit is sheisty. Shit is up. And they were like,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: you know what? Actually, we're going to cancel our organization.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: We're going to dissolve it.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: December 2019?
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, last December.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: That's so recently.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Yes. Right. They were like, pull the plug, pull the plug,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: unplug everything, move, shred everything. They're just running around.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: With cardboard boxes with paper, just shredding stuff, just running around.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Quick, quick, quick.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Setting things on fire.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: It's like that scene from Fun and Dick and Jane.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Setting things on fire.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Set shit on fire in the office. No, we're just
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: cleaning up. You know, fire actually is a much faster
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: way to get rid of paper than the trash. Taking
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: baseball bats to all the computers. She's like, what?
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: This is normal.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. No, we're recycling. So we got to
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: break up the computer into pieces.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: That's the only way they take it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: The amount that these people believe themselves to be the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: victims when they are... Like, here's the thing, right? So
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: your show is about scams. And it's interesting to, like,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: put these people as scammers because I think they're... Like,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: sometimes the scammers... are the victims of the structure of
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: the world. But these people had everything at their disposal
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: and still chose to scam. That's what's so fucked up.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Because sometimes it's not about, and we talk about this,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: like people get as far as they need to in
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: a scam and they continue running scams. And so then
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: it becomes to me like, okay, you like the high.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Like you want to get over on people and it's
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: not just about surviving. And so those people always get caught.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, not always. Obviously, these people have failed quite upwards. Yeah.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: This case was prompted by David Fahrenthal's reporting in the
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Washington Post about the foundation, which won the Pulitzer Prize
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: in 2017. So that's the guy who wrote about this,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: won a Pulitzer. Last December, the Attorney General's office announced
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: that Trump would shut down the charity, and now he's
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: being forced by a judge to cough up $ 2 million
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: to a group of charities to settle the suit. The
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: president tweeted, I am the only person I know, perhaps
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: the only person, I'm the only person I know, perhaps
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the only person in history who can give a major
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: money to a charity. $ 19 million? charge no expense, and
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: be attacked by the political hacks of the New York State.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: No wonder we're all leaving. Every penny of this $ 19
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: million raised by the Trump Foundation with the hundreds of
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: great charitable organizations, almost no expenses. Okay, obviously, lying. He
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: said that Letitia James, the Attorney General, is deliberately mischaracterizing
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the settlement for political purposes. And then he said that
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: she should investigate, you guessed it, the Clinton Foundation. Oh
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: my God.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Okay so so did it get resolved did it get
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: resolved in any way yeah.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: He yeah he had to liquidate the charity and donate
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: all the assets that they had that they were obviously
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: using for personal use he had to donate them to
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: other legitimate charities okay so no jail time no investing
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: They basically were just like, oh, no, we actually done
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: with charity. We canceled our charity. Last week, we canceled
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the subscription on our charity. So, y'all could have had
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the money. Like, they knew they were about to get
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: caught up.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: It's just hard because charity is so... broad so it's
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: like what was their foundation purporting to do like what
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: did it think it what what was it what what
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: was what was it helping.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I don't i don't actually know i don't know if
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: they had a mission statement it feels like it was
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: like we are a charity who gives to other charities
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: for charity and also we do charitying um and that's
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the problem we we are a non-profit That is... Hold on,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: let's see if there's a mission statement.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Because that's the problem, is that a lot of these, like,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: you just say, like, we're doing this for charity, and
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: it's like, what charity?
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: So he said his initial mission was to distribute proceeds
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: from his book, The Art of the Deal, to charitable causes. What?
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: That's your mission statement?
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Did that happen?
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: That's a very Trump mission statement. No. No. That did
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: not happen at all. But I'm also like, that's not
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a mission statement for a charity. Isn't this supposed to
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: be about helping people or uplifting a certain community?
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what people is it going towards? Or what is
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: it going towards?
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I wish that it just said, Trump Foundation, it's like,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: we want to buy copper stills for all the legacy
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: inheriting young men of the world.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: At least that I would be like, that's honest.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Right. If he was just like, I'm giving my book
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: money to the poors.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, cash out them. Cash out the poors then.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Cash out them directly.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, we're tired of this. I also feel that way,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: especially right now. I've donated to some charities. I've also
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: just donated personally to people who were raising money for themselves.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: And I am kind of at the point where I'm like,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: when I get to this charity, like, who eating off
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: of this? Like, who got the money after that? Because
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I never know. And I'm very curious. Also, like, guys,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: if you're out there and someone's crowdfunding to raise money
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: for charity, don't donate to the crowdfund. Donate directly to
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: the charity. Because a lot of times people crowdfund for
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: charity so that they can write off a huge amount
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: of other people's money. And it's a scam.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: It's a very interesting time.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Because people are able to, like, ask for help for
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: themselves and you don't really have to go through an organization.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: But sometimes you do want to because you feel helpless
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: and you don't know what to do and it is
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: someone's job to take care of that. But you just
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: have to be sure that it is specific enough and
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: that you know the percentage, what percentage goes where and
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: what it's being used for. Because there's been a lot
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: of things outed that are like, oh, it was actually
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: for this person's salaries.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Right, which in case is like this is not directly
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: going to help anybody. It's just going to line your pockets,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: which I understand you have to look. You have to
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: pay people who work for nonprofits. You have to pay
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: anybody who touches money. You cannot not pay your treasurer
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: in any organization because they will start stealing. So you
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: have to pay these people. But I am also like,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, like how much? There should definitely be.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's interesting because some people work really,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: really hard in charities. Who's to say you can't have
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: a nice life working in a non-profit sector? I don't
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: think that that's fair. Totally.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: I just think if it's coming from someone like Trump
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: or someone like even the Clinton Foundation or someone like
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: a wealthy person's charity, I would just look into that
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: a little bit harsher than you would look into like
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: And a nonprofit that doesn't have like a figurehead.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Right. Or the nonprofit down the street from your house.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like you've got a women's
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: center or whatever. I mean, like, yeah, looking at everything.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: But if it is like Trump's charity for good deeds
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: and giving like.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I just I just think that a lot of times
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: it is a convenient way to look like a good
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: person to to put money into a place where it's
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: not going to get taxed. And it's really amoral and
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: really unfortunate. Some of the scams you have on this show,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, whatever, live your dreams. But this is one
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: that I think is just an example of rich people
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: believing so deeply that they have earned being rich that
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: they have lost touch with what will actually help people
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: and just want to continue to dogpile their money. And
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: that sucks.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Right. And that's also because once you're in a certain
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: stage in life, we always adjust to our surroundings. And
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: then you may forget about things. When I go to
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: the grocery store, I'm not really looking at the price
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: of anything that I put in my cart. I'm just like, oh,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: do I want these chips? I put them in. Do
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I want this toothpaste? I put it in. But there
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: was a certain point in my life, especially in college probably,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: where I was pinching my little allowance from my parents,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: which is still privileged. And I was like, damn, $ 5
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: for this meat. You know what I mean? I was
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: looking at those things. So there comes a point when
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: you're this nasty rich, nasty, honey, where you, you know,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: you and your friends are all complaining about the, you know,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: the price of jet fuel for your PJ and shit.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Like you're no longer in the real world anymore. And
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that's what's happened in this whole quarantine with celebrities, which
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I found very funny is like. celebrities always kind of
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: pretend like they're regular people, but they're also very rich,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: so they can navigate both spaces. It's like, oh, I'm
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: rich and people know who I am, but also the people.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I get on my Instagram and I talk to the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: girls face to face. You know, I give them the real.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: And so they're getting on here trying to like, like
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Sam Smith fucking got on Instagram and cried. First of all, y'all,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: if you're out there listening, please don't ever cry about
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: And open your front-facing camera. Like, nobody needs to just... Oh, no!
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: It's okay. It's okay. It's okay if you start talking
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: on live or something and you get emotional. I understand
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: that happens. It's okay if you start to cry. But
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: it is never okay to be crying and then be like,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: you know what I should do now? Open my camera
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: up and get on Instagram. What are you doing? And
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Sam Smith did that. And we're like, how do you
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: want us to feel, bro? You crying in a mansion.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: You crying in a parasite house. What.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot of, there
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: has been a lot of interesting stuff in that regard
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: because I think we're not, we see celebrities out and about,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: but we don't ever really see their houses.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Like we never see where they live usually.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of times they post from events or
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: they post from out, you know, at a restaurant or
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Paparazzi. Yeah. I got coffee.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But we never really spend so much time looking
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: at the interiors of their houses. Like certain celebrities, I've
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: been laughing really hard because people are like, oh my God,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: they don't own any art.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Like their walls are bare.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Like, are they okay? Like what's going on? Like you're
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: really getting to see, you know, like, or like there
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: was some influencer that posted a picture and was like,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: my house is a mess.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: And the kitchen was immaculate.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: And it's like, you're really getting like this insight into
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: people with followings that you like normally wouldn't get access to.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: And it's kind of showing you like who retains perspective
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: and who is just like, I don't, you know, like
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Ellen DeGeneres being like, I'm in prison. And it's like,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: honey honey no you're not.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Right and look everybody has made that joke at some
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: point but some of us just know better than to
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: say it on national television girl you ain't.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: In nobody's jail i have never i have never been
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: like i'm in prison because they wouldn't allow dogs in
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: prison and i have a dog here.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Right i've said i was in marcus's jail because i
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: imagine her jail was pretty nice I was like, this
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: seems about right. Like, I can crochet. You know, I
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: got a decent amount of space. This is probably what
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Martha was working with.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Like, it's just very– it's been– I think even celebrities
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: that promote charity, it's kind of this interesting thing where
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: I think people think, well, if they have a charity,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: they're a good person. Like, and it's not– and that's
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: the thing that was– I mean, I just think we
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: gave Trump so much leeway with all of this stuff,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: and we gave him so much credit for things that
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: he didn't deserve credit for that it led to him
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: being president. Like, this whole thing, like, he's just really
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: good at business, and that's why. It's like, no.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: It was like, he's had several bankruptcies. He's not good
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: at business. He's a criminal. And they're like, but he
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: made money off those bankruptcies. I was like, yes, but
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: those destroyed people's lives. People lost their 401ks. People were unemployed. Like, he... Okay,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: but he made money. Like, it's just, it's one of
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: those things of, like, until you're personally affected, you just
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: look at the numbers. So you're not thinking about, it's
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: not real until you know someone or you are a
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: part of it. Which is crazy how the lack of
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: empathy that we've indoctrinated Americans with.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, even, like, we talk about The Big Short, right?
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: I love the movie The Big Short. But it's, like,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: a fun romp through, like, the housing crisis. And, like,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: we look at all these people and we're like, oh,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: my God, like, they were so smart and they did
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: all these things and they whatever. But, like, real people
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: lost their homes and their retirements. But even in media,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure you know as an actress, like, even
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: all of our media sort of makes heroes out of
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: people who can take advantage. And it's, like, very... Right.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: It's... Even when they're criticized in films or TV shows,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: they're still lionized. And yes, I did just watch The
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Social Network again.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Well, guys, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: be right back with the last segment robbery and fraud
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: All right, guys, and we're back. Oh, this is the
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: saddest time because this is like the last thing before
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: I have to let Gabby go. And yeah, this is
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: a long one, guys. Enjoy us bitching about Donald Trump
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: as if that's not what everybody does every single day. Sorry.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: And this is also I'm going to leave with scammer
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: of the week is also going to just we're going
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: to stay on theme here. After one tweet to President Trump,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: this man got 69 million dollars from New York State
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: for ventilators. No.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: No, ma'am.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Yes. I hate the power that Twitter has now because
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Twitter has become so strong. It's absolutely ridiculous.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: I'm ready. I'm ready. What happened?
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: So on March 27th, as emergency rooms in New York
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: and across the country obviously began filling up, Donald Trump
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: posted on Twitter urging Ford and General Motors to start
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: making ventilators now. In caps. You know how he does.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: One of the thousand replies of the tweet attracted... struck
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: an equally urgent tone. We can supply ICU ventilators, invasive
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: and non-invasive. We have someone call me urgent. This person
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: who wrote this tweet was Yaron Oren Pines. And Yaron
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: is an electrical engineer in the Silicon Valley, a specialist
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: in mobile technology. He currently just has 75 followers on Twitter.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: So shout out to y'all who ain't got a lot
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: of followers. You could just tweet to the president and
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: maybe get $ 69 million. Like keep tweeting. So he apparently
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: has no experience in government contracting or medical devices. But
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: three days later, New York State paid Oren Pines $ 69. 1 million. Lacey, what?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: New York State paid him?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Why? What are you?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Because he said on Twitter, I got them ventilators. I
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: got them laters.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: But they didn't check.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: They didn't check.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: They didn't do a background check on him.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: They didn't. We in a pandemic, Gabby. Okay. He said
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: he got the ventilators. He opened his coat like bruh man.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: And he was like, yo, I got them ventilators. I
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: got them ventilators. What? He popped his trunk and he said, hey,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: New York State.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: This is like when I went to see The Roots
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: at Brooklyn Bowl on New Year's Eve in 2011 and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: I tried to buy Molly and it wasn't Molly.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: But instead, I'm New York State.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: It was Sarah. It was Haley. It wasn't Molly.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: But instead of it being me at 24 at a
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: concert on New Year's Eve, it's New York State and
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: $ 69 million.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: New York State. So shout out to you, Cuomo-sexuals, because
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: he kept this shit under wraps. I didn't hear about this.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: So the payment was for 1,450 ventilators. So 1,450 ventilators
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: at an astonishing $ 47, 656 per ventilator. At least triple the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: standard retail price.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Of the high-end model. At least show me the ventilators.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: At least show them to me.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Price checking. They're not price checking. They didn't shop around.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: They were just like, nah, let's throw a cool 69
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: mil at a man off Twitter. So obviously not a
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: single ventilator ever arrived. A state official, speaking of the background,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: like also like, bro, where did they send the $ 69
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: million to? Wells Fargo? You was like, yeah, I'm at
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: TD Bank. Y'all send me the 69 million to TD.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Cash app.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Lacey, they cash apped it. Straight up cash app.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Venmo me $ 69 million.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: PayPal me $ 69 million before taxes. Oh, my God.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Right. Actually, Venmo said that's over the limit that we
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: can send, so we're going to do it. You got
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: cash out? We're going to cash out you $ 69 million. Oh,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: my God. Help. What? So, obviously, the ventilators never arrived.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't ask to see a video or a picture
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  Speaker 3: of the ventilators?
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  Speaker 1: Nah, bruh. He said, I got them ventilators.
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  Speaker 2: People on Craigslist are shrewder than this.
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  Speaker 1: Than New York State. A state official speaking on background
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  Speaker 1: because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the terms
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  Speaker 1: of the deal said that New York entered into the
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  Speaker 1: contract with Oren Pines at the direct recommendation of the
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  Speaker 1: White House Coronavirus Task Force. So, a.k.a. Donald Trump was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I did a tweet and there's a guy who says
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  Speaker 1: he's got ventilators. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: And then they just had to listen to him?
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  Speaker 1: It seems that they got it on the good authority
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  Speaker 1: of the White House. You know how good that authority is.
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  Speaker 1: We're all injecting disinfectant. Okay. So nearly a month later,
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  Speaker 1: New York has terminated the contract and the state is
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: now trying to recover all the money it paid the
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  Speaker 1: Silicon Valley electrical engineer. Officials refuse to say how much
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  Speaker 1: the state has been able to claw back. They said
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  Speaker 1: we're in discussions on a few remaining issues.
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  Speaker 2: If I'm him, I change my name, hop, skip over
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  Speaker 2: to New Zealand and never talk to anyone again.
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  Speaker 1: Duh. Ever. I'm going to put all the money in
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  Speaker 1: the Cayman Islands. You will never see me set foot
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  Speaker 1: on American soil ever again. They reached out by phone
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  Speaker 1: to Oren Pines and he said, neither me nor my
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: company is providing any comment on this. And then he
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  Speaker 1: hung up. What company? Oren.
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  Speaker 3: Oren Pine LLC, which he registered on Zoom, legal Zoom.
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  Speaker 1: So the- I know, this is crazy. The money he
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: received on March 30th was the largest single payment made
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  Speaker 1: by the New York Department of Health under an executive
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  Speaker 1: order issued by Governor Andrew Cuomo last month that aimed
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: to streamline the procurement process that critical medical equipment could
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  Speaker 1: reach the hospital as quickly as possible. So he's like
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: cleaning up because this is obviously being done.
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  Speaker 3: Lacey, yeah, this is a 10 on your despometer.
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  Speaker 2: People are despo.
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  Speaker 1: Because we're at a tent. We're at a tent. We're despo.
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  Speaker 1: And then he was like, great. I got them ventilators
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter. Bruh, I'm going to start commenting on Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump's tweets. Whatever he asking for. He's like, give me masks.
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  Speaker 1: I got them masks.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God, please.
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  Speaker 1: Tell Cuomo to run me 69 mil.
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  Speaker 3: And then I just solved the Flint water crisis with it.
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  Speaker 1: Right oh my god so states were forced to fend
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: for themselves to purchase life-saving supplies to combat you know
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: to combat this global pandemic he added that the state
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: has since been able to meet most of its needs
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: re-evaluating contracts and canceling others so they had a contract
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: with him they're still trying to get the money back
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: they this is horrible And between March 19th and April 27th,
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  Speaker 1: the health department cut 77 checks for a million or
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: more for medical supplies, for a total nearing like $ 735 million.
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  Speaker 1: That's what state records show that they've spent. So what's
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: $ 69 million to a guy who got ventilators in his trunk?
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  Speaker 2: This is the problem. But also, just ask to see
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  Speaker 2: a photo. Like, ask to see a video. Why? Why
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  Speaker 2: did you.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump comments on Twitter like pics.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pics or didn't happen. Like why? Why?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Lacey, I guess my question for this entire episode is why?
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  Speaker 1: Why not is the answer.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: We are in the darkest timeline.
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  Speaker 2: Why not?
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  Speaker 1: Right. Why not scam? So I'm very fascinated to see
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  Speaker 1: if he's going to get. that they're going to get
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  Speaker 1: their money back from him. Because basically, the deal was for,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: you know, around 5,700 ventilators, actually. Well, according to a
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: report by the Albany Times Union, which is a different
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: news outlet than reported before on this. And... They said
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: the contract with Orrin Pine stands out even among the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: motley array of vendors that struck deals with New York
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  Speaker 1: over the past few months. Because like New York paid
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: for N95 masks. They were paying roughly $ 12 a mask
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  Speaker 1: when those masks usually would go for like $ 125 and
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: that kind of bulk purchasing. So everybody's kind of been
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: jacking up the price on medical supplies.
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  Speaker 2: No, this is the fucking problem with capitalism too. And
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: in America, we've made health a business. So the fact
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: that people's idea would be like, oh my God, people
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: need masks. Let's jack up the price is so coldly
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: capitalist to be like, now's the time to benefit is like, oh,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: it makes me so mad.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Right. And we normally have laws against this. So it's
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: shocking to me that New York has been just paying
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: these people out. Because it's like when the stuff happened,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: when the levees broke, you couldn't raise the price on generators.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: That was illegal, stuff like that. So it's crazy that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: they're just like, no, we'll pay it. Okay, guy from Twitter,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: 69 mil. They're desperate.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: They're 10 on the Despo meter.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Right, because it's such a condensed city. Like everyone's living
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: on top of each other. There's no place worse to
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: have a pandemic than New York City. But yeah, so
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Orrin Pines. I don't approve of this scam. This is
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: terrible what you're doing. It is, however, hilarious that you
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: made a comment on the president's tweet and then got.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: This is Trump's fault. This is Trump's fault, for sure.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Who else is... This is crazy. Like imagine your
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: president getting on Twitter like, hey, who got the man?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Well, he just like retweeted someone the other day who
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: then was like, I'm not pro Trump. And then just
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: went on to tweet a bunch of anti-Trump shit, even
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: though Trump had just retweeted that person. And it was like,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: I can't. Like, why?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: He's retweeted stuff that's making fun of him. He's retweeting
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: memes and videos from Independence Day with his face dubbed
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: on top. This shit is crazy. It's crazy.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Please give me and Lacey $ 69 million. The funniest amount
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: of money you could possibly give someone.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Sex, you know? Oh, wow. I appreciate this charlatan. But
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: all right, guys. We've reached the end. Gabby, where do
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: you want to be found? That's what we always ask people.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I'm on Instagram. at gabby road which is a beatles
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: reference that is very dumb and i didn't understand branding
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: so i have gabby road on instagram and gabby dunn
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: on twitter uh it's g-a-b-y for both and then i
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: have I have four books that I've written. We talked
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: about two of them and then Bad with Money. And
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: then I also wrote a comic book, which came out
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: last year called Bury the Lead, which you can also
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: you can get wherever you get regular books. But it's
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: a graphic novel. So that's the most recent one.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Come on, book. Come on, author. I told y'all,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: she's out here writing the books for the girls. I
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: love it. Pick those books up, guys. They won't cost
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: you $ 69 million.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: But if you want to cash app me that, I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: will accept it.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to cash app us $ 69 million,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: we will take it. As always, guys, if you want
• 1:09:49
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• 1:09:53
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• 1:09:55
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• 1:09:58
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• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: at my nonsense. All right, congregation. Keep scamming.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: ScamGoddess!