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Richie Incognito: We’re One Big F&*ked Up Family! · The Fish Tank: Miami Dolphins Tales From The Deep

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like we were just programmed to fight every day and that's how Tony program does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're going down a dark alley, you grab three of your buddies and you start swinging.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now you have Joe come in and he has his very particular way about doing things and
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[SPEAKER_03]: his different way of presenting and we go on road trips and he would say these are the color buses we're gonna get on here's the hotel lobby where we're gonna grab our keys and we got savages and it's like go just get us to the game on Sunday and cut us boots welcome back to the first tank presented by Van Horne law group and Casabella design group Seth Levitt and the toughest podcast or damn reno ever played with he is Ocean McDuffie Joose
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is, I feel like this is your kind of show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, tell me, do you have to say anything?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, this is my kind of guy right here, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My kind of guest right here, bro, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: If I was a little bit bigger, I think I'd be, you know, playing right beside him somewhere, you know, like mulling people and beating people up, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because that's my style of football, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And boys have missed down here right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That type of athlete, that type of football player, bro.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, I'm pumped about this one for sure, brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I am as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a guy we've targeted for quite some time glad that the stars of a line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we got him here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So our guest today, folks, if you're listening, he battled in the trenches for 15 NFL seasons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Choose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He started.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If he was going to line up, he was starting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, game played 164 games started.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was elected to four probals.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was the Miami Dolphins 2012.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good guy award winner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is rich in cognito.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Richie, did I leave anything important now?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bellman, that's all the highlights, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll probably be with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, heck yeah, I really enjoyed my time down in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, didn't end on great terms, but no, I love being in Miami, Dolphin.
1:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I love being down there, you know, I played for Tony Sprano.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when I signed in free agency, you know, I came down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like a mafia meeting, meeting Tony Sprano.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We had Tony at head coach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We had David Gugliamo as an offensive line coach and we went over to Vignettos over in Fort Lauderdale.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Great Italian spot by the by the old facility and I walked in and we were in this back room and Tony was really soft-spoken and he had the glasses on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I felt like I was going in and meet the dawn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Kiss the ring.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You definitely work.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Richard, Nick said, did leave something out, man, that I think is important.
2:25
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's what we've seen from you lately, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that is your role as an analyst with the arena grid iron.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you're doing it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're doing a hell of a job on this show, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And to no one surprise, no one surprised, you got some pretty strong opinions, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You were very vocal this season when it came to your opinions on the Miami Dolphins, especially when it came to Mike with Daniel and two of them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it looks like you know, you're really enjoying the role with the arena man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So tell us a little bit about that and what point, at what point did you decide that the dolphins needed to make the change that honestly it happened.
3:01
[SPEAKER_04]: So tell us about that a little bit.
3:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, uh, started a new media role with the reenigrid iron and, uh, we, we're in the hot take business.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with skip bailis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're talking on teams, we're talking story lines, we're talking individual players, which is, it's difficult to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you got to, you got to have a firm grasp on everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel you have to have a firm grasp on everything because I didn't want to come into this and be like, hey, I'm a 15 year vet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to shove it down your throat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of want to come at as, you know, I'm credible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know what I'm watching.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to educate the fans.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to convey my passion for football to the fans.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I want fans to see the game as kind of like I see it, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So to be credible with them, I want to drop the breadcrumbs all along the way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I want people to watch the games on Sunday and be like, Oh, I heard Richie talking about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me tune in next week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So with the hot take business, you know, I kind of, I like talking ball, I like talking offensive lines, I like talking all that stuff, but I'm in the hot take world now and I had gave some pretty spicy hot takes on the Miami Dolphins this year, but you know, I felt like I was I was giving a voice to the fans.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I felt like, you know, all the stuff, all the sentiment, all the stuff I'm reading on mine, all the stuff I'm seeing on the games on Sunday, it just kind of got to a point where I was like, you know, this is, this is non at me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I know it's, it's light and fans up too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the thing with Mike McDonald is he's, he's a very smart guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's super cerebral.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He has, he runs a great offensive system.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he is going to be great at the chargers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got Justin Herbert.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They got to get the offensive line figured out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think he is going to be,
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[SPEAKER_03]: really, really good for Justin Herbert.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Get him moving out of the pocket.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't just sit him back there like a statue, get whack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, you go back to the Miami Dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Early in McDaniel's tenure, they had a ton of success.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They were, you know, they were able to move the ball down the field.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're getting big chunks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They mix in Devon, H.N.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they really get a dynamic run game going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they start off this season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And for me, everything starts and ends with the run game, especially for the Miami Dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Once you get that run game going, you're gonna open up the rest of that offense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you're gonna open up those different levels on the field.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When I talk to fans, you know, we're old school.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We used to run the football.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We were coming in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We were going to run the football down your throat and we were going to get you to bring a safety up in the box and then we're going to hit you with the play action.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then once we got the play action going we're going to get you back and drop back and we're really going to pick you apart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of offenses, especially this season and especially with not great offensive line play, they really struggle to get the run game going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when I was looking at Mike McDaniel, you know, you're looking at the team, it looks soft.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just looks soft.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're getting shoved around in the trenches, you know, defensive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They make a couple plays, couple splash plays here and there, but they weren't able to get the run game going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I kind of unloaded on Mike.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I felt, you know, I do have a conscience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel bad for these guys because we all know each other.
6:03
[SPEAKER_03]: So I gave my take, but it was,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, in typical dolphins fashion in the middle of the season with the trade deadline coming up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They fired the general manager.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got we got no one running the show and the trade deadlines coming up and we're trying to offload water and, you know, Buffalo's is negotiate and hard and they can't get that done, but then you saw it like I think, you know, right around the trade deadline a little effort.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They got back to running the football.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They found their identity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They got back to running the football.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It opened up the rest of the offense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the results still were not good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But as I was looking at Mike, it's tough because he's so smart, he's so cerebral and he has his way about doing things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't think as a head man, that will hold the guys attention season after season after season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When you hit some adversity and you go in there and the head coach is kind of all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, doing it his way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just think it kind of just fell on deaf ears and that's what I was seeing on the field on Sundays.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm going to say we definitely agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about that this season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not surprised at the smash mouth offensive lineman said, you know, you got to start with running the ball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't like seeing a soft team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to try really, you know, juice and I are like those offensive coordinators who script the first 15 plays.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to try to stay on script here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you mentioned something about Mike McDonald's coaching style and leadership style.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that I think we're gonna touch upon a little bit later with maybe some of the experiences you had in different head coaches that you played for particularly here in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so let's get to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get to your arrival in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was 2010.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You came in as an unrestricted free agent, a one-year deal, and it was really kind of a show-me deal, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sprano needed to have
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, you're talking about a team that wasn't tough enough in the trenches, it was very clear that you were a targeted free agent, you know, let's, let's give this guy a shot, let's see if he can keep his shit together for one year, but he brings a tenacity that we need and, and the truth is you did have, yeah, some shit on your resume like that's the reality and, you know, it caught people's attention.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in different ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In Nebraska, we heard about the fights on the field in the locker room, costly personal fouls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The ram still see all that talent, draft the wood that they're in the third round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, there's, there's all the stats about the personal fouls and, you know, all the things that, you know, the fines, your first contract rich, you're not supposed to rack up all those fines, but, you know, you, yeah, I mean, I just find over a million dollars.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I let a million dollars on fire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, so, so then we're like, not even 10 minutes into this thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure what the title is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the title this episode should be a little million dollars on fire or Richie and Cognito.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do have a conscience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's still a lot to go on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But ultimately, you sign here, and they want a player that plays a certain way, you had the quick-stint and buffalo, where you like at the point in your life, where you're like, man, I need to figure this thing out or this thing that I dreamed about my entire life could be gone if I don't.
9:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 100% and I think that that's what I was most proud about my time in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I grew up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I learned how to be a pro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got down there and they were like richy, no penalties.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think one of the seasons I had no holding calls, no personal fouls, stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But back to my days in Nebraska, you know, I was young and crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to fight everybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, world school guys, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, these kids run their mouth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they would have been clocked.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They would have been knocked out back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it would have taught them a lesson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It would have humbled them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I was I was rough and tumble at Nebraska and I couldn't separate the man off the field from the guy on the field and then I got to St. Louis and I've never done that level of losing ever we don't lose men like us don't lose and when I got to St. Louis we were
10:02
[SPEAKER_03]: eight, eight, one in 15, two in 14, three in 13, one in 15, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was so frustrated with the losing that I was just taking shots at guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like we're down 35 enough and oh yeah, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, I'm going to talk my shit.
10:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to get in your face like that's the guy I was.
10:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And now, you know, now I understand it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We were losing, you know, it's the low hanging fruit is the guy out there getting penalties like an idiot.
10:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, it's on him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, when I was a free agent, I got cut by St. Louis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I went to Buffalo for a couple of weeks.
10:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Then I was a free agent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's when a lot of people grabbed me and they were like, hey, you're messing this up, man.
10:42
[SPEAKER_03]: You are you costing yourself a ton of money.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You've been playing for five years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have proble talent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You just have them put it together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So before I went to Miami, that's when I finally started accepting help.
10:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what the dolphins did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They insulated me with some great people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Jordan down there, he's the man.
11:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I used to just go over to his house and hang out, we would cook up swordfish.
11:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, just being able to talk and verbalize and not hold it all in and not bottle it in, you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That led to me having success.
11:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And like we were talking about, you know, I met Tony and Goo Jova at Big Nettos.
11:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like this mafia-style meeting, but
11:20
[SPEAKER_03]: A couple days prior I was in Cincinnati and I was in Cincinnati on a free agent visit and they brought me over to get the MRI.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am wearing my nice suit and it is freezing cold
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[SPEAKER_03]: And my agent strategically lined up that Miami meeting second because you know that was it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I go down to Miami, Tony Sprano, East Coast guys, like he wanted me to go to Cincinnati to drum up there off or so we could play it against the Dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I felt like I was going to some guys that understood me some tough guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I played in St. Louis for some guys that were scared of their shadow and we were going through an ownership change and we had a lot of turnover and we were
11:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Paying all these guys to come in and they were shutting it down and that was frustrating to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm out there on the field.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm bus to my ass.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Our offensive lying, you know, 60 million, 40 million, 30 million, 70 million and I'm making 340 grand and I'm better than these guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that frustration, but you know, I got down to Miami and it was good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was good to be around some of my people toughest two days I've ever done in my entire life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I felt like a friggin' navy seal there, but I got the penalties under control.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I played really well for one year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I signed a big contract 2012.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a veteran leader.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I make my first Pro Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 2013 was a wash. We got some big stuff coming up on that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You guys, you guys, we got some big stuff coming
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, you know, that's where I felt I transformed my game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I learned how to be a pro.
12:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I learned how to train.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I learned how to overcome that unbearable heat up there at that Davy facility.
12:54
[SPEAKER_03]: We used to be out there on the practice field.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Me and Jay Klong were like, it is literally raining everywhere else except on practice.
13:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And we can't go, why do we have an indoor bubble?
13:04
[SPEAKER_03]: We're out on this field.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tony's killing us out here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why do we have the indoor bubble?
13:07
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't even use it.
13:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I really I really felt like that was a pivotal point my career because it was either it was either this is going to work or this isn't going to work and I changed a lot of things in my life and that yeah that's what I was most proud of you know make the problem in 2012.
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[SPEAKER_03]: get to the 2013 season mentoring guys on the guy leadership counsel good guy award and then we get blindsided by some BS and that's where the big news is coming out you know give me a chance to tell my side of the story but uh but yeah you know I I love I love Miami I love living in Fort Lauderdale I was down on the beach in Harvard Beach I would get up every morning look at the ocean go to work
13:48
[SPEAKER_03]: ton of great guys I played with Anthony Fassano, Mike Pouncey, Brian Hartline, you know, we just had so many good guys and we really enjoyed being around each other.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So really fond memories of Miami and that's why I follow so closely like I feel passionate about the team.
14:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
14:06
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to talk about that 2010 team and you mentioned a few guys, you know, you talked about you and Jake, you know, talking about the heat, you just mentioned Brian heart line man.
14:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, we've had a lot of these guys on our line now.
14:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
14:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Coach Heart line.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
14:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We've had a lot of these guys on our podcast as well, man.
14:25
[SPEAKER_04]: So talk about some of these other guys, man, you know, the, the Vernon Carries that you talked about a little bit about the sorrow, the Ronnie's and the Ricky's and
14:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, the other side of the ball, the training crowd is the Randy Stark.
14:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, absolutely, guys, man.
14:37
[SPEAKER_04]: We could go all the way on about this boy.
14:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for talking about some of these dudes on that team, man.
14:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Because we've had a lot of dudes on them, man.
14:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody is a different type of character.
14:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, oh, man.
14:48
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to tell you, all those guys you just ran through are just such unique personalities, right?
14:54
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you get in the locker room and we're one big fucked up family, right?
14:57
[SPEAKER_03]: We all got our issues.
14:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We all got our advices.
15:00
[SPEAKER_03]: We all got our issues and and that's what's beautiful about the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got to get it all to come together.
15:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you got to have the leadership to bring all that together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the leadership to call guys out in the leadership to get guys going, but a big Vernon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love big varnish.
15:17
[SPEAKER_03]: He's one of the nicest people ever.
15:19
[SPEAKER_03]: We used them all.
15:20
[SPEAKER_03]: as an offensive line, we'd have to get together and we'd have to watch burn on the road trips because he had a weight clause.
15:28
[SPEAKER_03]: So he had to make weight every week.
15:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we were slapping the Pope ice chicken out of his hand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we would go to dinner, we'd be like, burn.
15:36
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
15:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember his last year he had a weight clause and I think it you know some big number 355 500 grand something like that and he thought he had to make weight all year long to get that bonus at the end.
15:51
[SPEAKER_03]: He found out about week 12 week 13.
15:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean we were wearing on him like that.
15:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Brother, they owe you that money.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are going to get you that money and some one messed up and told them like no Vern, it's pro-rated.
16:02
[SPEAKER_03]: You're getting that every time you make weight You're getting that pro-rated amount and he went off the rails.
16:06
[SPEAKER_03]: He was he was off the rails, man And we were we were on his so hard a so funny man.
16:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I love big burn and then Jake long man one of the best athletes with one of the best men one of the best athletes and one of the best left tackles I played with you.
16:21
[SPEAKER_03]: You imagine we had Jake long me and Pouncy
16:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, three, four time pro Bullers.
16:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we were some dogs.
16:28
[SPEAKER_03]: We were operated such a high level when we had such a passion for football and Jake and I were so close and it was so much fun to go to work with a guy like Jake blue collar, grab your lunch pale, get to work.
16:42
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we would do those two days and you wouldn't hear a peep out of Jake.
16:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Jake would just be positive
16:50
[SPEAKER_03]: we would fight through for each other.
16:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Pouncy, you know, you want to talk about another colorful individual.
16:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Pouncy is my guy.
16:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Pouncy, Pouncy is my guy.
17:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And we are crazy parts of our brain talk to one another.
17:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Me and Pouncy, man, we would light it up American social.
17:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, we had so many good times.
17:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Fassano, Fassano still lives in the area.
17:13
[SPEAKER_03]: He's in Fort Lauderdale every time I come in town, I go stop over at Uncle Fassano's house, have a cigar, you know, he's old school, hard line, hard line was, you know, the guy was a technician.
17:25
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't have blazing fast speed, but the guy got open in the guy caught the ball.
17:29
[SPEAKER_03]: And now you see every great receiver that came out of Ohio State,
17:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm always talking about Coach Heartline because he got those boys coached up good, right?
17:38
[SPEAKER_03]: You mean, those guys are polished receivers, those guys are great, Channing Crowder insane, love them, fishing all the time, always talking, nonstop talking, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk,
17:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Randy Starks, one of the best interior guys I've ever played with.
17:53
[SPEAKER_03]: We iron sharp and Zion.
17:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Randy Starks, Kendall Langford Paul Soliye, big Paulie, Paulie got franchise tag.
18:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was $13 million and he put a million dollars in his backyard and we would always be over there drinking and hanging out.
18:09
[SPEAKER_05]: We heard about those points.
18:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they did a good part of this.
18:11
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a big step.
18:12
[SPEAKER_03]: We heard about them.
18:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, they would get the cover going.
18:15
[SPEAKER_03]: We'd the cover and the vodka man.
18:17
[SPEAKER_03]: You would be, you would be turnt even those parties.
18:20
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, man, I think we were such a close knit team.
18:24
[SPEAKER_03]: The defense did all their stuff.
18:25
[SPEAKER_03]: The offensive line.
18:26
[SPEAKER_03]: We did all our stuff with the offense.
18:28
[SPEAKER_03]: We hung out.
18:29
[SPEAKER_03]: And we were a tight knit team, man.
18:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And we had dogs everywhere.
18:33
[SPEAKER_03]: We really had some dogs.
18:36
[SPEAKER_03]: That was back where they were running that three-four scheme and in training camp, we would just bash each other.
18:40
[SPEAKER_03]: We weren't doing Oklahoma drove, but we were doing something very similar that would be very illegal today.
18:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
19:02
[SPEAKER_02]: But the winds were reflective of what they should have been based on those rosters.
19:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and unfortunately, you know, in your second year, Tony doesn't make it to the end of the season.
19:12
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, Todd Bowles finishes out the season.
19:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And now it's time for the dolphins to find a new headman to take over the reins.
19:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And this leads me to something that, you know, you kind of expressed a little bit earlier in this interview.
19:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And I heard you say this.
19:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to quote something that you said, Jews, you're going to love this.
19:31
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is a direct quote from Richie, and I didn't read it.
19:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw it on YouTube.
19:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a real quote.
19:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And you were talking about offensive line coaches, but I think it's applicable with the headman as well.
19:42
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't roll out some nerd in front of 15 to 20 alpha males who all we do is think about beating people up and that's facts like as much as that might smack somebody in a mouth it's facts and it might be a little bit unfair to to say that and then lead into the Joe Philbin era, but he how how different was.
20:04
[SPEAKER_02]: the experience to play for Tony, who you seemed like Tony Sprano rich in Cognito, you guys seem like two peas in a pod, as far as a coach in a player.
20:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wonder how a rich in Cognito kind of adapts and exists in a Joe field but environment.
20:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, going back to what you said before, we didn't get a lot of wins.
20:26
[SPEAKER_03]: 2010, 2011, we didn't get a lot of wins because we couldn't hold up our end of the bargain on offense.
20:31
[SPEAKER_03]: We couldn't move the ball.
20:32
[SPEAKER_03]: We couldn't run it consistently.
20:33
[SPEAKER_03]: We, you know, we would get past as going, but it was, it was not enough to overcome.
20:38
[SPEAKER_03]: The defense was pretty good.
20:39
[SPEAKER_03]: The defense, I think, would, would have given us a shot.
20:41
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, all those defense needs to do is get the ball back to the offense.
20:45
[SPEAKER_03]: we get the ball back on offense and we couldn't do much, but yeah playing for a guy like Tony Sprano cut from the same cloth from the northeast, no nonsense, wants you to be a great player.
20:56
[SPEAKER_03]: He could put his arm around you and be like speaking to your soul, or he could just tear you apart.
21:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Great Tony story I got.
21:05
[SPEAKER_03]: That year you got fired, we started off 0-07.
21:08
[SPEAKER_03]: and when you know Tony was a great motivator and he was always doing stuff like you know we had Jason Taylor and a bunch of older guys he put a gas can in that locker room about midseason and he though the note do you have enough gas to finish the season you know get a motivated and you
21:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Tony was great man.
21:27
[SPEAKER_03]: He was he was a master motivator, but we couldn't get it going that year.
21:30
[SPEAKER_03]: We started on seven and it was it was it was really tough on all of us, you know, we had gotten our first winning Kansas City.
21:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember we're coming off the field guys are crying.
21:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we put in so much work and I really think the lockout messed us up.
21:43
[SPEAKER_03]: The lockout we had a lot of guys come back and to after you know, 2011, not in great shape, not focused, training camp kicked our ass, you know,
21:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Tony really turned up the dial on us because we weren't there all off season, right?
21:56
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really think that that wore on us.
21:58
[SPEAKER_03]: We were gonna use the heat to our advantage.
22:00
[SPEAKER_03]: We were gonna practice, we were doing two a day, one a day, two a day.
22:03
[SPEAKER_03]: We were practicing at 930 in the morning and three o'clock in the afternoon.
22:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Then we'd come back the next day and we practiced at one o'clock.
22:10
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, we were preparing for the New England Patriots, and we're like, we're going to be comfortable in the heat.
22:15
[SPEAKER_03]: We went out on that Monday night football, and they beat the crap out of us.
22:18
[SPEAKER_03]: So, there was, you know, there was a lot of things that factor in there, and then you go on to a guy like Joe Philivan, who's very cerebral, very nerdy, very, you know, not Tony Spurano, complete opposite.
22:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was an adjustment.
22:33
[SPEAKER_03]: That was an adjustment for a lot of guys.
22:35
[SPEAKER_03]: That was an adjustment.
22:38
[SPEAKER_03]: We grew to understand Coach Philobin, but it took a while.
22:42
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's like, he's like a C-suite executive.
22:45
[SPEAKER_03]: And when you have guys, all's worth thinking about is kicking ass, crushing beers, going to the bars, come back tomorrow, we're gonna kick more ass.
22:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we were just programmed to fight every day.
22:59
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's how Tony programmed us.
23:01
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're going down a dark alley, you grab three of your buddies and you start swinging.
23:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Now you have Joe come in and he has his very particular way about doing things and his different way of presenting and we go on road trips and he would say, these are the color buses we're going to get on.
23:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's the hotel lobby where we're going to grab our keys and we got savages.
23:20
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, go just get us to the game on Sunday and cut us loose.
23:26
[SPEAKER_03]: it's it's one of those things where you have to you have to adjust your thinking you have to adjust your mindset you have to adjust how you act in the building and ultimately what coach Philip in it it came down to the same things you know uninspired play you know guys not playing physical when I was with the buffalo bills we were licking our chops in 1560 and 17 they had a good team but in 15
23:47
[SPEAKER_03]: they were the worst team we played all season long.
23:50
[SPEAKER_03]: They were not physical.
23:51
[SPEAKER_03]: They were not playing fast.
23:52
[SPEAKER_03]: They had some good pieces still there, but that's ultimately what got you filled and fired.
23:57
[SPEAKER_03]: And when I tell you, we've lit them up.
23:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Both times we played them, they were literally the worst team we played all season long.
24:03
[SPEAKER_03]: You can be smart and you can be cerebral, but you got to show passion.
24:07
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to get got.
24:08
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to rally guys.
24:10
[SPEAKER_03]: You might be a different type of leader, but you need to be able to speak to 53 different personalities.
24:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why we vibe with Tony.
24:19
[SPEAKER_03]: We're a bunch of psychopath killers.
24:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Tony is a great guy for us.
24:24
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, calm, cool, collected.
24:26
[SPEAKER_03]: You think you're going into a meeting in his office, you're going to get whacked, like good fellows.
24:30
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you walk in and sit there and very soft spoken, but being a head man's managing personalities.
24:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And you have a lot of different personalities in that locker room.
24:39
[SPEAKER_03]: And you've got to speak to each one of them individually.
24:42
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the greatest coaches I've seen do it was John Grood.
24:45
[SPEAKER_03]: absolutely love playing for gluten and what made gluten unique was he not only had a personal or professional relationship with every guy but he understood what made you tick he understood your family dynamic understood where you came from he understood your struggles and he was constantly pulling guys aside and he'd give you a couple of lines and that would that would focus you in for the next week, month, whatever.
25:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's, that's kind of a lost art form.
25:09
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why we're seeing nine, 10 coaches fired every season because Brian Callahan, he's in Tennessee.
25:14
[SPEAKER_03]: He can't even get a coordinator job.
25:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I just read he's going to interview for the Giants quarterback coach job.
25:20
[SPEAKER_03]: What I heard is, you don't command the locker room.
25:23
[SPEAKER_03]: You start losing guys.
25:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And as soon as, as soon as those, you know, OJ.
25:26
[SPEAKER_03]: As soon as those fractures show up in the locker room, it starts showing up on the field.
25:30
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk a little bit about 2012, man, because, I mean, we talked about some bad years, but I mean, that was kind of a magical year for you.
25:39
[SPEAKER_04]: You plan all 16 games, like Seth said, always talking about Reggie Bush, has nearly a thousand yards.
25:45
[SPEAKER_04]: You made the first pro bro of your career, hell, like Seth said earlier in the show, I mean, you voted the team's good guy.
25:52
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's the experience you had always dreamed of as an NFL player.
25:57
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that seemed like you, that seemed like one of your best years right there as an individual player.
26:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Up until that point, my career, that was the best year in my career.
26:07
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I had learned from 2011, probably didn't show up in the best shape.
26:10
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I got paid 13 million bucks right before the lockout.
26:13
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, we're travel in the world.
26:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I was working out and stuff like that.
26:17
[SPEAKER_03]: But after 2011, I really changed my approach in the weight room nutrition.
26:21
[SPEAKER_03]: really worked on my body and what kept us together in 2012 playing on a great offensive line was Jim Turner, the offensive line coach.
26:29
[SPEAKER_03]: guy from Boston, guy was a Marine, he served in South America.
26:34
[SPEAKER_03]: My dad was an Army Ranger, so you know, cut from the same cloth, tough, hard-nosed physical, but he could coach you up.
26:43
[SPEAKER_03]: He was the best offensive line coach I've had up until that point, and he was able to break the down, the game down into techniques, and he was able to sit there and tell you, look.
26:53
[SPEAKER_03]: your first steps messed up, your second step, your pad level.
26:56
[SPEAKER_03]: He was able to kind of put it all together for me and get me to play to technique.
27:01
[SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, 2012 was special man that nobody said Reggie Bush can run in between the tackles and we were going to come out.
27:07
[SPEAKER_03]: We were going to assault you from snap to whistle.
27:11
[SPEAKER_03]: to get Reggie Bush a thousand yards and we had some good success, you know, we were moving the ball and, you know, for me that was it.
27:18
[SPEAKER_03]: That was, I made the Pro Bowl.
27:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I had got to go down to Hawaii, spend time around Ray Lewis and Peyton Manning, all the guys and it was like, yes, I've arrived.
27:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I've worked.
27:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was my seventh season.
27:30
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I had worked my entire life to get to this point.
27:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I got the contract.
27:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I got the Pro Bowl.
27:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I was really, really proud of myself.
27:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I had really come a long way to transform myself into that guy.
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28:15
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I'm listening to so much good stuff for us, there's a reason you're getting paid to do this now.
28:21
[SPEAKER_02]: But there was a few things, you know, psychopath killers and some of these other things that you referenced.
28:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And forgive me, if I go all cerebral, Joe Philbin like here, but you know, there's like this study of archetypes that I love.
28:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And basically it's the comparison of the outlaw versus the villain.
28:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And the idea is that the villain is straight up evil, you know, he's driven by malice, he's driven by chaos, just generally seeking harm, and now the outlaw is is more of the anti hero, you know, he's kind of living in that gray area, you know, he's pushing the limits, but there's a purpose behind the limits.
28:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's rebelling against the system, you know, I think of Jesse James, like Jesse James Robbs a bank in a movie and we want him to get away Billy the kids shoot some dude in a bar and we love it, you know, and so like that they're the outlaw and you just look at them differently than the villain and so I'm setting all this up to say when I look at your career and I never thought about this till we were prepping for this interview.
29:20
[SPEAKER_02]: You kind of oscillated between villain and outlaw at these different stops in your journey and maybe like in Nebraska, you know, slash St. Louis, you're the villain and then you get to to Miami and you're the outlaw like we like it.
29:37
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they make the the fan conduct video and it's the old right guard anything less is, you know, you're over there.
29:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now, in that point, you're the outlaw until all of the sudden, midway through 2013, bully gate, and it sounds like you've got some big things that are going to discuss in a few months, so we understand a respect that there's a timing element of this.
30:03
[SPEAKER_02]: So we don't need to get in the specifics, but all of the sudden, you're not just the villain, you are the national villain.
30:09
[SPEAKER_02]: You are being, you know, you're being just dragged everywhere and did you create certain things for your, so sure, right, you know, had a reputation and I'm sure there's things that maybe you wish had been handled differently, but, but when that happens like that, like how did you.
30:26
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like it happened overnight for you because you had worked really hard to turn villain into outlaw and we're very well-liked by your teammates down here for the most part.
30:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And now you've got to manage like what the fuck just happened and how did I find myself in the minute?
30:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Like how difficult was it to find yourself in the middle of all of that?
30:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, that was incredibly difficult.
30:48
[SPEAKER_03]: That was something I was blindsided by.
30:50
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I was used to being the villain.
30:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I was totally okay with being the villain.
30:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I get down to Miami and I'm understood and I'll round people that understand me.
31:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, playing with Jake, playing with Mike.
31:03
[SPEAKER_03]: The Jake was the team captain.
31:06
[SPEAKER_03]: He was a leader.
31:07
[SPEAKER_03]: He was the vocal leader.
31:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I could just be me.
31:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I could help Mike come along, you know, he was a young rookie
31:12
[SPEAKER_03]: and we had a, we had a, there was a maturation process with, with Mike as well as with all of us, but you know, I was comfortable being the villain.
31:19
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I got in a fight at an off-campus party at Nebraska, uh, gotten a, a fight in the locker room with one of my buddies, get to St. Louis.
31:28
[SPEAKER_03]: You have this.
31:30
[SPEAKER_03]: villain type persona, getting fouls on the field, but I always knew I was a good dude.
31:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I always knew that I was well-liked in the locker and my guys, they loved me.
31:39
[SPEAKER_03]: They knew I would lay down my life for them.
31:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And they saw the hard work and they saw the tenacity and they saw everything that the fans don't get to see.
31:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially back then, you can only get news from us in the newspaper article, or maybe a blog, right?
31:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, we could see,
31:56
[SPEAKER_03]: three dimensional what these athletes are what motivates them we have a view into their world twenty four seven three sixty five so yeah you know i was comfortable being the villain i got to my amy i turned into the outlaw the lovable guy like a this guy's crazy but we love them you know he's he's one of us right and i really did a good job of
32:16
[SPEAKER_03]: becoming a leader of, you know, being, being conscious of my actions affect the young guys.
32:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, it was 2013 came and it was tough, man.
32:27
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really tough.
32:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I spent 2014 out of football.
32:31
[SPEAKER_03]: It, you know, that was a growing process.
32:33
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a learning process.
32:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And when I got the opportunity to come back in 2015, I went proble, proble, proble, proble.
32:38
[SPEAKER_03]: team leader team captain all that stuff.
32:41
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it's a learning process, man.
32:44
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I was just fight Prevalidation.
32:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I was fighting for money.
32:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I was fighting for fighting everything and when you're a fighter or I'll put it this way when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail
32:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, as I'm older, you know, 42 years old, I'm out of the locker room.
33:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I've had a lot of time to think, a lot of time to figure out what I want out of life, what life looks like, you know, you realize, people are getting turned up every morning to go in the weight room at 730, and then go through those pads on and go out to the field.
33:15
[SPEAKER_03]: And especially in the Miami Heat in training camp, you have to be wired different.
33:20
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to be wired different, and then you have to understand
33:25
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I think, you know, it all coming together and then it all flaming out so bad in 2013.
33:30
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just like, we're at the top of the mountain and now we're back down at the bottom.
33:35
[SPEAKER_03]: We got to scale our way up, but that's life, man.
33:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Life humbles you, the game humbles you, the Lord humbles you, and you just got to keep taking those on the chin and it's really, it's not about how you get knocked out.
33:47
[SPEAKER_03]: It's how you get back up.
33:49
[SPEAKER_03]: It's how you respond and I think that's what people
33:53
[SPEAKER_03]: value about me.
33:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what people see in me.
33:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm not perfect.
33:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I got a lot of stuff in my past, but I show up every day.
34:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I work hard.
34:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a good teammate.
34:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I get guys motivated.
34:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And when you go out there on Sunday, you want to get behind me.
34:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the first one off the bus on the first one throw in the punch.
34:10
[SPEAKER_03]: When you're going, when Tony used to say, I want you to be the guy that
34:18
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to be one of the guys that your teammate will call up and I would be offended if someone were to go get some shit and they didn't call me first.
34:27
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think I think you know that and then that's what ultimately in Buffalo and Oakland I was able to
34:35
[SPEAKER_03]: disconnect from the villain.
34:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't care what you thought about me because most of the information was not true.
34:40
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of it was factual and true, but no one knew Richie and Cogney to at that point.
34:44
[SPEAKER_03]: It was headlines.
34:45
[SPEAKER_03]: It was stories.
34:46
[SPEAKER_03]: It was all this stuff.
34:47
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was able to disassociate myself with the villain.
34:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And the only thing I could do was just show up, be a good dude, be positive, be a good teammate.
34:58
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was that was my focus to reclaim my career.
35:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Man, Richie, that's so good, man.
35:05
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's, you know, in big set, I'm telling you, I try to tell people all the time, man.
35:09
[SPEAKER_04]: They have no idea what we as former players go through.
35:13
[SPEAKER_04]: They have no idea the things that, you know, we have to do, well, mentally and physically, become, you know, who we need to be on Sundays or Mondays or whatever can be.
35:22
[SPEAKER_04]: It can really, it can really fuck you up in areas, you know, of your life, man, and it's hard a lot of times.
35:28
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, really damn hard to learn how to manage some of that stuff, man, and I think that.
35:34
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's it for me, you know, you know, I've become such a huge proponent of you as taking care of your mental health, these dignitizing mental health, you know, issues and just consistently working on yourself.
35:49
[SPEAKER_04]: And I hear that from you, Richie.
35:50
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think it's like something that you've done with, you know, and I've dealt with playing that on my own, you know, I'm gonna tell you that, man.
35:56
[SPEAKER_03]: We've also dealt with it, you know.
35:57
[SPEAKER_03]: We've all either dealt with it or we know someone that's gone through it.
36:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
36:01
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, you know, as players, you know, in the fire, in the in the flames, right?
36:07
[SPEAKER_03]: You have, you have tenacious young men trying to make a name for themselves, trying to get paid.
36:13
[SPEAKER_03]: You also have the bunny factor in, right?
36:15
[SPEAKER_03]: You're still in a lot of money at guys who never had any money.
36:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I have, I got my first check for 700 grand.
36:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought I was never going to have to work again and boy was wrong, right?
36:24
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, you know, it's really interesting, man, the man in the arena and the man out of the arena are two different things and and that's where you have the divergence and that's where you have people constantly fighting to to make those guys marry up right and
36:41
[SPEAKER_03]: it's tough man.
36:42
[SPEAKER_03]: We've all been through some shit.
36:43
[SPEAKER_03]: We've all been in the locker room and had our boys go through some shit.
36:46
[SPEAKER_03]: We're away working for eight months out of the year, you know, shit's falling apart at home.
36:50
[SPEAKER_03]: We got, you know, everything going on.
36:52
[SPEAKER_03]: And you have that times 53, then you add in the money you add in the fame, then you times that by 10.
36:58
[SPEAKER_03]: So it is tough.
36:59
[SPEAKER_03]: And I juice, I think mental health and I
37:02
[SPEAKER_03]: taking care of yourself and making yourself better every day so important and we got a lean on these young kids We got a lean on these young kids because we were once young and we didn't know how to ask for help And that's why I really enjoyed mentoring guys.
37:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I really enjoyed bringing guys along.
37:18
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, hey, I was in perfect Shit was crazy, but look where I'm at now.
37:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and Richie I was gonna ask you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was gonna fall over that like
37:27
[SPEAKER_04]: when you need it help, did you try to go through it by yourself?
37:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Or did you go out and get it?
37:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Could you talk about being able to do it as a player with younger guys?
37:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I went out and I got professional health help.
37:37
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
37:39
[SPEAKER_03]: How would you combat it, brother?
37:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was it.
37:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's one of the things when I signed with Miami Dolphins, they were like, hey, this is the team site.
37:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Jordan, you need to check in with him.
37:49
[SPEAKER_03]: You need to check in with him.
37:50
[SPEAKER_03]: You need to stay close to him.
37:52
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that was like the first step of like actually getting professional help because all that I had done up into that point was bottle it up, bottle it up, and then it comes squeezing out the cracks in different areas.
38:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the thing about bottle it up because it's just gonna explode.
38:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's gonna explode in different facets of life.
38:10
[SPEAKER_03]: So getting professional help, actually,
38:14
[SPEAKER_03]: acknowledging you need help, giving up that power, and then it's a learning process, man.
38:19
[SPEAKER_03]: You just start learning so much about yourself, you're learning how to take care of yourself, learning how to be a better man every day, and the more steps you take, the more the path becomes clear.
38:29
[SPEAKER_03]: But when you're bottling it all up and you're trying to go through that, and I'm trying to separate myself.
38:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to sprint away from the guy I was in Nebraska.
38:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Then I'm trying to sprint away from the guy I was in St. Louis and then all that shit comes back and it all, you know, all that stuff you bottled up so to be able to ask for help, it's be able to get it out is a very freeing thing and I think that's what we need to impart about these young guys is.
38:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Brother, this is so much bigger than you.
38:55
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so much bigger than your family.
38:56
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so much bigger than this team.
38:58
[SPEAKER_03]: What we're doing right now is on a magnitude and a scale that you might not understand until your career is over.
39:04
[SPEAKER_03]: So we gotta get you to understand now that this is the time, this is the place.
39:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Reach out, ask for help.
39:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Lean on your brothers, check in with your brothers.
39:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm constantly checking in with my guys.
39:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, how you doing, what's going on?
39:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, man, I think getting professional help, asking for professional help is a big step.
39:25
[SPEAKER_03]: And then once you're on that path, you're like hungry for more, right?
39:28
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like someone's showing you how to lift weights.
39:30
[SPEAKER_03]: You start lifting weights.
39:31
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to lift the 45 pound plates.
39:33
[SPEAKER_03]: And you want to put two 45s.
39:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And you want to get the three 45s.
39:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Personal, mental health and growing as a person is that you.
39:40
[SPEAKER_03]: You have someone show you the path, the path is dirty and dusty.
39:44
[SPEAKER_03]: You start cleaning that thing off and you're like, wow, life is pretty good.
39:48
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a good path.
39:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to keep going down it.
39:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, Richard, that speaks volumes, man, because as grown men, as men, we're afraid to admit that we need a little bit of help, man.
39:59
[SPEAKER_04]: And that was one of my problems as well.
40:01
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and when I finally did it, boy, changed my life, bro.
40:04
[SPEAKER_04]: It really, really did, man.
40:05
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, if big football players can do it, the average man, the average human going through life can actually reach out and get some help too, man, because
40:13
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not, it's not a sign of weakness, man.
40:16
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the sign of strength.
40:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
40:17
[SPEAKER_04]: When you realize you need a little bit of help, man, or some help, go get it, man, because look at us, man.
40:23
[SPEAKER_04]: It's changed our lives, man, because we've done so.
40:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
40:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Anybody watching this, you know, reaching out for help, it's just opening up, just letting somebody in.
40:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I'm, I'm, you know, my good boy.
40:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I'm, I'm struggling with this, man.
40:37
[SPEAKER_03]: it leads to more conversation is it leads to you figuring out in life nobody's perfect everybody goes through this man everybody needs a little help and that first step is the hardest just being like oh
40:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm fucked up.
40:52
[SPEAKER_03]: What do I do?
40:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it just leads to, it leads to more, it leads to more meaningful life.
40:57
[SPEAKER_03]: You just got to, you got to get over that hump because like you said, it's not a sign of weakness asking for help.
41:03
[SPEAKER_03]: That's actually the sign of the strongest thing you've done in your life up until that point.
41:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And then once you get the help, you need to accept the help and then grow from there.
41:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very much so and that's you know, I spent well however many hours watching interviews and reading about rich even though You know when we prepare for these things you think you know somebody, but then you start to dig in and and again You know Google richy and cognito.
41:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to get to like it's by seven.
41:31
[SPEAKER_02]: It's spicy
41:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to get the page 7 to be something that's not quite as spicy, but man, you sound like you are in such a great place right now.
41:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I even go back to the tail end of your football career, as you said, you get back on the field there, a couple of years with the Raiders.
41:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I did text juice.
41:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize Richie played with Alec Engel.
41:50
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it was my guy.
41:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Alec said Vegas Richie was something else.
41:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, I think you should have seen
41:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but so he says what's up, but you know, as you said, you mentor young offensive Lyme and your consultant in coaching guys up, juice spoke about the media work that you're doing.
42:10
[SPEAKER_02]: a lot of golf from what we got here.
42:12
[SPEAKER_02]: So like you've seen to be in this really good place, but I also read something where you said, look, I've come to grips with the fact that I will always be referenced by this knucklehead stuff that I did in my past.
42:25
[SPEAKER_02]: So how have you just gotten to the point in life where you understand that that's a part of you and that's the way a lot of people are going to see that first before they even open your mouth and you've just become
42:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure, you know, and it was a long process accepting that, you know, 2013 goes down and it's literally the worst of the worst day.
42:46
[SPEAKER_03]: All the skeletons in your closet get thrown around USA today and TMZ.
42:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's, it's, it's, it's, it was a jarring process.
42:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And then to spend a year out of the league.
42:56
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, thinking it's over like, hey, I just built myself into this and now it might be over.
43:01
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it made me appreciate the opportunity to come back and the opportunity to play.
43:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And, um, and yeah, you know, it's a growing process, right?
43:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I've grown so much.
43:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I've mentored so many guys.
43:13
[SPEAKER_03]: And you just get to a point where it's like there's just a disconnect.
43:16
[SPEAKER_03]: There's the Google search, there's the headlines.
43:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's really rich in copy.
43:20
[SPEAKER_03]: And you can only judge me about what my men say about me.
43:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Great ball player.
43:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I had him when he was young.
43:28
[SPEAKER_03]: We had Max Crosby.
43:29
[SPEAKER_03]: We had Colton Miller.
43:30
[SPEAKER_03]: We had Josh Jacobs.
43:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Roon brought me in to help these young guys get going.
43:35
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, the growing process, the maturation process.
43:39
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you finally grow yourself into a leader.
43:43
[SPEAKER_03]: You're a I was able to detach myself from the Google search and all that shit right because that's there everybody can go read that but it's how I show up every day I need to show up consistently for my men my men see me as leader I need to show up as a leader every day there's no days off when you're a leader so.
44:01
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a long process to accept everything that went down in Miami.
44:06
[SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely something I think about most every day that those thoughts pop up into my head.
44:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, that's it, man.
44:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just so thankful that the Buffalo Bill's gave me an opportunity to come back.
44:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when I got that opportunity, I came back and I ran with it, man, I played really, really well.
44:21
[SPEAKER_03]: We want a lot of games.
44:22
[SPEAKER_03]: We broke the playoff drought and Buffalo is 18 years old.
44:25
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's one of the the biggest achievements of my career because Warren Buffalo and they're telling us you haven't made the playoffs in 18 years.
44:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'd be like, I just got here.
44:34
[SPEAKER_03]: That has nothing to do with the big.
44:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I just got here.
44:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing everything I can to get over the hump and to finally get over that hump.
44:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And then to go to the Raiders, you know, to get redeemed by
44:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Go up to the Raiders and then we got such hungry young guys and then to not only play at a high level, but impact them mentor them
44:55
[SPEAKER_03]: get to retire a Las Vegas Raider, you know, that speaks to my relationships and all the work that I have done for the organization, then to be able to get a chance to go back and coach him and a chance to mentor something young guys, it means the world to me, it means the world to me, you know, once a Raider always a Raider and I'm just really appreciative of where I'm at and I'm really thankful that I got, I got to end on my own terms.
45:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And that has led to some of the greatest satisfaction of my life.
45:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I took a couple of years after football to figure out exactly what I wanted to do, who I wanted to be.
45:32
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of things became important to me, a lot of things we cut out.
45:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, man, I'm just excited.
45:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm consistent.
45:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I show up every day and I just try and be the same guy.
45:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the big brother.
45:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Uncle Richie.
45:44
[SPEAKER_03]: You get in some shit.
45:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I should be your first call.
45:48
[SPEAKER_04]: And Richie, I, I, I loved you as a dolphin too, bro, and I, you know, we miss, we miss some some richies down here, bro, you know, I loved that type of mentality.
45:58
[SPEAKER_04]: I always play, you know, why receive it, man, but I felt like I had a, you know, like an old line of defense of mentality when it came to fall, you know what I mean, and yeah.
46:05
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm just happy, man, and you're doing your thing, bro, and you're able to parlay whatever happened in your career to a fucking special career in a special message, man.
46:21
[SPEAKER_03]: you know what I mean that that's what that appreciates yeah no no doubt I appreciate it yeah you guys are the first you know we got we got some big things coming from back in my Miami days we got some big things coming I can't say much on it but uh but yeah man I'm going to promote man we're gonna come back and I appreciate those words juice you know
46:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I love my time in Miami.
46:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I love living in South Florida.
46:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I love being a part of the dolphins, you know, when I had got there, we're trying to get over the hump and get into the playoffs and I got so many good memories with all my boys down there, you know.
46:58
[SPEAKER_03]: my amy dolphins and the fins fans and South Florida are always near to my heart and I always love when I come back everybody everybody knows Richie.
47:07
[SPEAKER_03]: You're just walking down the street, you walk it down my shoulders.
47:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Every day I love that.
47:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
47:13
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's still a lot of love left in my heart for the amy dolphins.
47:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we ate that you took a, you know, took your frustration out in the Dolphins for those years, you're in Buffalo, but that's the other story.
47:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was, that was, that was payback.
47:23
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys don't really want to be sure.
47:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I come back and let you guys circle two of them on a count.
47:30
[SPEAKER_03]: You're right here.
47:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And we got poetic justice, 2015.
47:33
[SPEAKER_03]: We came, we came down there and we were playing in a game.
47:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I pulled around on power and Carlos Williams took a for a touchdown.
47:39
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was just standing on that field, looking at Joe Philbin, like, yeah.
47:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
47:45
[SPEAKER_03]: The villain is back.
47:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Richie, this has been absolutely incredible, man.
47:52
[SPEAKER_04]: And we do appreciate you sharing everything with us, man.
47:55
[SPEAKER_04]: So we're going to get you out of here in a moment, but what we do, we like to wrap up every single episode with two fun segments, right?
48:02
[SPEAKER_04]: So we like to call the first one, this tank numerology.
48:06
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you were number 68 with the Rams and the Dolphin.
48:09
[SPEAKER_04]: 62 and 64 with the bills and 64 with the Raiders as well.
48:14
[SPEAKER_04]: What's the story behind your numbers, bro?
48:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so when I got to St. Louis, I replaced, I got there at the end of the Great of Show on Turf, played with a lot of great guys, Orlando, pace, Isaac, Bruce, Tory, Holt, Marshall, Falca, Leonard, Little, you know, we had the right lover, I mean, we had so many great veteran leaders, and there's a guy there named Kyle Turley.
48:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you know, coming out.
48:38
[SPEAKER_03]: That was my guy.
48:39
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was number 68 for the Rams.
48:42
[SPEAKER_03]: They gave me his locker.
48:44
[SPEAKER_03]: He left me all his CDs.
48:45
[SPEAKER_03]: He left me books and books and books and CDs, man.
48:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's that was so awesome.
48:50
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're you're coming.
48:52
[SPEAKER_03]: You're coming up.
48:53
[SPEAKER_03]: You're trying to make a name for yourself.
48:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody knows who you are.
48:56
[SPEAKER_03]: And they have a guy like Kyle Turley, but like here's my number, here's my locker, here's my music collection, it's a passing of the torch.
49:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And that, as a young player, you got to get that going.
49:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was 68 in St. Louis, I was 68 Miami, and it was actually my dad.
49:14
[SPEAKER_03]: When I went back to Buffalo,
49:17
[SPEAKER_03]: In 2015, 68 was taken and it was taken by a fringe player.
49:22
[SPEAKER_03]: He was, you know, maybe not going to make the roster practice, squad guy and I was 64 and we wound up cutting that offensive lineman.
49:30
[SPEAKER_03]: So right before the season, I could have had 68 and I called him my dad and I said,
49:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I'm torn, what do we do?
49:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And he goes, new year, new year, new year, new number.
49:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, all right, man, that's right.
49:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Six plus four equals 10.
49:45
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm gonna give you 10 out of 10 effort every day.
49:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it, bro.
49:49
[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.
49:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Very cool.
49:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So if the Rams gave you turlys, number of rows of passing of the torch, and they kind of got what they deserve.
49:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess that's the way I look at it.
50:00
[SPEAKER_03]: The 100% that instilled in me.
50:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, you can be a psycho path out there, guys.
50:05
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's it.
50:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I have my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my,
50:30
[SPEAKER_02]: that'll be taking right now.
50:32
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll throw a few fast-paced questions out here.
50:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Have a little bit of fun and see if we can finish this thing off in the end zone sound good.
50:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome, sounds good, man.
50:39
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, here we go, big set.
50:40
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, Richie.
50:41
[SPEAKER_04]: You attended Mountain Ridge High School in Glendale, Arizona, told me the mountain lines where the motto is the Ridge Way.
50:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell us exactly what is the Ridge Way.
50:53
[SPEAKER_03]: well you know the ridgeway was uh we moved out here in uh 1995 and it was a brand new high school like literally cut into a mountain.
51:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean I go back to my high school when I was so so uh so appreciative of growing up in such a beautiful place.
51:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I still live I'm in Scotts' Lair Zona um a guy I grew up with Anthony Miller.
51:11
[SPEAKER_03]: He's the f-like director over at Mount Ridge right now and
51:14
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the program had, they, they weren't relevant.
51:17
[SPEAKER_03]: They weren't very good.
51:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And Anthony Miller came over there and Tony, Tony Miller.
51:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And he instilled the Ridgeway.
51:25
[SPEAKER_03]: And he really got the program going, you know, because it was little stuff just taking pride and going to Mount Ridge.
51:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think a lot of teams have lost that pride.
51:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, we're Mount Ridge.
51:35
[SPEAKER_03]: We're tough, we're, we're from the West side.
51:36
[SPEAKER_03]: We're Glendale.
51:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he's done a great job rebranding them and bringing in that ridgeway.
51:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And now you go over, they've got a brand new weight room, brand new facilities, really, really kind of bringing the program.
51:49
[SPEAKER_03]: They're run like a small college over there.
51:52
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm proud to say I came from ridge because
51:55
[SPEAKER_03]: back in the day man we didn't have many people on the football team we had about 28 guys in the football team and all our dads were blue collar guys and we all played both ways and what set me up for life in the NFL was our head football coach Jim Yun was also the track coach but we'd do an hour and a half to our practice on offense then we would get some water and we would switch and we'd do an hour and a half to our practice on defense
52:19
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was born to do this shit.
52:21
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the right there.
52:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I was born to do it.
52:23
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the right way right there Next question at six foot three three hundred thirty five pounds will attend to the rival like you know the sons of anarchy
52:33
[SPEAKER_02]: is you're really not in cognito right so I go so far as to say that's one of the biggest oxy morons in the history of the court names right yes you think of anyone else in sports history whose name was more polar opposite to their persona than man in cognito I don't think so man because I've been anything but in cognito in my life try to fly under the radar just that's not the life for me I got to be in the spotlight I got to be in the headlines you know it's
53:03
[SPEAKER_03]: fucking crazy run man, but There's nothing in cog beetle about me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean when I was playing you know I'm a brick I am a big human like I am unconstorably large and you walk into a room everybody's like Who is that and so you know all tatted up man I've never been able to blend and I've never been in cog needle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I'm a little bit all right We're getting down to not a crunch time big Santa.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, Richie.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You want to refer to yourself as the alpha of alphas
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[SPEAKER_04]: If that was the case, here in Miami, you're Alpha 1A, who was Alpha 1B?
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[SPEAKER_03]: oh man we got a lot we got a lot of guys i'd say jake long he's cut from that clock he's the tough kid pouncy man pouncy back kid we used to wrestle in pouncy probably is the only one that could get could compete with me i in pouncy is strong and he's crazy we're both we're both nuts uh... you know Randy starts is definitely in there uh... big paul solely eye those guys i mean we were we were alphas i mean
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[SPEAKER_03]: You had to go out there and prove it every day in that heat and you had to be crazy you had to be nuts to send it I mean, I have track marks on my arm from the IVs from Kevin O'Neill and Troy Giving me IVs used to say Kevin O'Neill is the butcher.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be in a full body camp And I'd be like, no, no, you're not giving it to me Troy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Come here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You give it to me So yeah, then we had we had some great guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We had some and we had some good times down there
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[SPEAKER_02]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last question, you're going to help us put together a very unique all-star team made up of your former Miami Dolphins teammates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to ask you, I need you to fill four positions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One, who would be the best basketball player?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Two, who would be the best poker player?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Three, who would be the best arm wrestler?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then finally, who would be the best baker of cupcakes?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I go Brandon Marshall that dude could jump out the gym.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He has that big long tall frame that kid was East special man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's another guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He walks in the room and you're like, oh shit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is he's a Greek god.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What was the next one?
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[SPEAKER_03]: poker player poker player, huh poker player poker player I'd have to go like Nolan Carroll.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nolan Carroll is a very smart guy and it's very kind of You know now he's a media and he's talking but when he was playing he was like a quiet guy But you when you talked to him you realize he was super sharp, but he was always well cuz what's in your hand
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's he's welcome posed and he's got a good poker face.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I go no-one carol or lusaca polite Okay, best arm wrestler
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, I possibly, I mean, the guy was just barrel.
55:51
[SPEAKER_03]: We were used to wrestle with him all season or all off season and preseason, and that's when he got the franchise tag and he was really rolling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, his arms are like my legs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I, I, it's probably a good one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And finally, who was the best baker?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who would have been the best baker of tough games?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm gonna throw my boy under the bus because I know he can cook.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna save the sauna.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna throw him with a bus man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last time I was over at the house, he was cooking up stakes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He had a good spread.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know, I know Fazu, you can cook up some good, uh, some good cupcakes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he, you know, his rock star wife do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: His wife's care is the absolute best.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Me and the Spano.
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[SPEAKER_03]: over at the house hung over one day and she had a leave for a modeling gig and this was back when we were playing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, great house over on Los Olis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She cooked us this full meal and I thought she was going to sit down and eat with us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cooked a steak mushrooms, potatoes, everything, and then she goes, oh, I got to go to the airport.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She slayed, cooked this beautiful meal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then she takes off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, yeah, facade.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, she's a winner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there we go.
56:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is the two-minute drill.
56:58
[SPEAKER_02]: He has richy and cognito.
56:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love a quick thing about Anthony Fassano.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stu Weinstein loves to tell the story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know I'm sure you love here in that name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Stu loves to tell the story about they went bowling and and juices is incredible bowler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bowl to 300 game before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Fassano apparently was terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And finally they went up in her like Fassano.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like Anthony,
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[SPEAKER_02]: like you were really bad and he said, hey, where I come from, cool guys don't bull.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was a fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So baby, cool guys don't bull, but they bake cupcakes as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's a cupcake maker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rich, man, I'm grateful that you were so responsive and so eager to do the show and gave us this much time and we do look forward to hearing, you know, you said, you got big things coming, we just look forward to seeing everything that you got going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate it, guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'd love to jump on what you guys, and when we get closer, we'll jump back on them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll do a pot and we'll announce what we got going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sounds very rich.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for diving in, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, thanks for having me, guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a minute first time.