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How Hypnotherapy Unlocks Your True Potential with Craig Meriwether · Let's Get Naked

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SPEAKER_00: Hey everyone, I'm Ann.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Let's Get Naked podcast, where we dive deep into vulnerability.
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SPEAKER_00: In this space, we'll explore what triggers us, uncover the patterns holding us back, and discover how to take charge of our own growth.
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SPEAKER_00: If you're ready to dig in, be vulnerable, and face the tough stuff, then buckle up.
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SPEAKER_00: It's time to get naked.
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SPEAKER_00: I want to start today's conversation with a question.
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SPEAKER_00: How much of your life is actually yours?
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SPEAKER_00: Not your house, not your job, not your marriage, not your politics, you.
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SPEAKER_00: The person underneath all of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Because here's something that messes with me.
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SPEAKER_00: What if most of us are running around believing we're making conscious choices when we're really just acting out programming we downloaded decades ago?
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SPEAKER_00: Think about it.
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SPEAKER_00: Why do you react the way you react?
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SPEAKER_00: Why does rejection hit some people like a freight train while other people shrug it off?
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SPEAKER_00: Why do some people self-sabotage every relationship that gets too close?
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SPEAKER_00: Why do some people make money and immediately lose it?
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SPEAKER_00: Why do some people stay stuck in patterns they can clearly see, but somehow can't seem to change?
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SPEAKER_00: What if the answer isn't lack of intelligence?
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SPEAKER_00: What if it isn't lack of motivation?
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SPEAKER_00: What if it isn't because you're broken?
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SPEAKER_00: What if you're simply running software that was installed before you were old enough to know you had a choice?
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SPEAKER_00: Most of us inherited beliefs before we even formed our own opinions.
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SPEAKER_00: Beliefs about money, beliefs about love, beliefs about success, about God, about failure, beliefs about what we're worth.
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SPEAKER_00: And here's the crazy part.
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SPEAKER_00: Most people never question them.
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SPEAKER_00: They just spend their entire lives defending them.
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SPEAKER_00: The human mind is fascinating.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll fight to keep beliefs that are actively making us miserable.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll defend limitations.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll protect wounds.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll build identities around pain.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll spend decades proving ourselves right about stories that don't even serve us.
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SPEAKER_00: I always get abandoned.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not enough.
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SPEAKER_00: Nothing ever works out for me.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll never be successful.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm too damaged.
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SPEAKER_00: Says who?
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SPEAKER_00: Who installed that program?
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SPEAKER_00: And more importantly, why are you still running it?
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SPEAKER_00: Because if your beliefs create your thoughts, and your thoughts create your emotions, and your emotions create your actions, and your actions create your life, then maybe the real question isn't why is my life the way it is?
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe the real question is, what do I believe that makes this life inevitable?
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SPEAKER_00: That's where today's conversation is going.
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SPEAKER_00: My guest has spent more than 15 years helping people uncover the subconscious programming driving their lives.
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SPEAKER_00: Not the symptoms, the source code, the stuff buried underneath the anxiety, the fear, the self-sabotage, the trauma, the confidence issues, and the patterns that keep showing up, no matter how badly we want them gone.
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SPEAKER_00: So today I want you to get curious.
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SPEAKER_00: Not about hypnosis, about yourself.
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SPEAKER_00: Because if you're brave enough to ask the right questions, you might discover the prison isn't your circumstances.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the beliefs you've never challenged.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's get naked.
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SPEAKER_00: Today I'm stripping it all off with Craig Merriweather.
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SPEAKER_00: Craig is a subconscious transformation expert, clinical hypnotherapist, and medical hypnosis specialist.
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SPEAKER_00: He helps people break through mental and emotional barriers at the subconscious level.
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SPEAKER_00: His work focuses on eliminating limiting beliefs, resolving past emotional patterns, and creating lasting transformation from the inside out.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the show, Craig.
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SPEAKER_00: I am.
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SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much.
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SPEAKER_04: That was a wonderful introduction.
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SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_04: There's so much in there to talk about, so I'm excited to get going.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_04: And it's fun to like be in person.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:20
SPEAKER_04: So much of this stuff is over Zoom and things like this, so it's good to see you.
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SPEAKER_00: It is.
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SPEAKER_00: It's nice to have that connection.
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SPEAKER_00: It's nice to have the flow of it.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, when I started doing this, it was like I didn't really love the virtual.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's very like COVID-esque and very limiting as far as connection is concerned.
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SPEAKER_00: And so even though it's challenging sometimes to do it in person only, it's like whoever's coming to Scottsdale, Arizona, love to have him on the show.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you're not here, there's I just don't make exceptions for that.
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SPEAKER_00: I did one time and it was like, I just didn't love how it read, you know, and so it was like this is a really fun thing to have in person to be able to talk about all of the stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm really excited about today's conversation because it's something to me where I really have spent a lot of time, you know, realizing that the the patterns and the programming and the things that we don't even realize is running in the background is a lot of times what's calling the shots, and we don't even realize it.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, so if you're in this pattern in your life where you're not sure why things keep happening, it's like there's a lot of the stuff that was handed to us before we were even old enough to understand that we just keep running the program and don't realize that we're the ones that have control over whether that program continues to get ran or not.
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SPEAKER_04: And that that's a great point.
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SPEAKER_04: Uh and that's probably the most extraordinary point that we'll get to in this entire uh conversation I'll have for the next hour or so.
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SPEAKER_04: Uh, one of the questions you asked in that introduction, who put it there?
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: You did.
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SPEAKER_04: And that's not to say it was your fault.
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SPEAKER_04: Sure.
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SPEAKER_04: It's not to say it should have happened, it wasn't fair, it's not to blame the victim, especially uh as a child.
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SPEAKER_04: Sure.
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SPEAKER_04: Certainly not going to blame a child who's going through trauma, who's going through abuse.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_04: And again, it's not to say it was their fault, or they even did it on purpose.
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SPEAKER_04: Most of this stuff is installed, this kind of computer programming, this source code is installed unconsciously through a traumatic event, but you're the one who installed it.
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SPEAKER_04: And that in and of itself becomes very empowering because, well, that means you can undo it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: And so a lot of this work isn't so much, you know, scary hypnotism kind of stuff.
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SPEAKER_04: It's often reverse engineering what's already been done.
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SPEAKER_04: It's de-hypnotizing people.
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SPEAKER_04: So it's not, you know, a lot of people ask me, uh, can everybody be hypnotized?
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SPEAKER_04: Uh, or I tried it once and I I couldn't be hypnotized, and that's not a thing because we're always being influenced by something, especially now with social media and the news and all this kind of stuff going on.
6:42
SPEAKER_04: But and uh forgive me for not uh remembering the person, but it's um there's a great quote that uh came out a while ago uh that you are uh uh you make up the five people that you hang out with the most.
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SPEAKER_04: That's an awful paraphrase of that quote.
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SPEAKER_04: But you are being influenced by the people you hang out with the most, and that's why you're attracted to them, because he has the same kind of beliefs and he likes the same kind of music and he liked the same you know, sports or whatever.
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SPEAKER_04: But they're also influencing you in other ways.
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SPEAKER_04: And that is maybe hypnosis in and of a nutshell.
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SPEAKER_04: It's not just lying back in a recliner with soft music and closing your eyes.
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SPEAKER_04: That that's a form of it, and it's certainly helpful to quiet down that conscious level of mind.
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SPEAKER_04: But certainly this ability to uh influence people was known a long time ago.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Uh with you know, the marketing agencies, commercials, of course, politicians in the news.
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SPEAKER_04: And so, in and of itself, you have to become aware of who or what is influencing you, and is that okay with you?
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: I think opening your eyes is kind of the biggest component of that too, because when you talk about, you know, yes, maybe you weren't the one that, you know, it's not your fault that that was there, you are the one that continues to keep it there.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's the good news to me, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Because I think a lot of times people don't like to take that medicine of understanding that you're the one that has held you in this place of wherever it is that you are in life.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but to me, that's exciting news because it's like if I'm the one that's holding myself there, I can, you know, maybe I'm the problem.
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SPEAKER_00: I can also then be the solution.
8:17
SPEAKER_00: And to me, that's very powerful.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I think in society we've really gotten this where people ride that, you know, victim mentality really hard.
8:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's oh, this happened to me, this happened to me, this happened to me.
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SPEAKER_00: And I just come from this place of no excuses, right?
8:31
SPEAKER_00: There's no excuses.
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SPEAKER_00: We have too much knowledge, too much information, too many resources that are available to us to be able to make changes.
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SPEAKER_00: There's just no excuses for me.
8:41
SPEAKER_00: And and realizing, you know, in my own work and my own journey that I've done, the things that really were responsible for that in early programming in childhood, right?
8:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, organized religion was a big, was a big component in my story.
8:54
SPEAKER_00: And everybody has different ingredients that make up their recipe, but kind of getting curious on what are the things that were instilled in me early, and do I believe those things now?
9:03
SPEAKER_00: You know, if you are willing to really kind of take that savage self-awareness, you know, view of what your life is, what your ingredients are, you'll be able to look and say, does that make sense for me?
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SPEAKER_00: Do I want to continue to carry that forward?
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SPEAKER_00: And when you identify things where you realize I don't want to, if you're not sure how to fix those things, I think that's kind of where what you do comes in beautifully, or even helping people kind of realize what those things are, maybe.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, and uh a lot of issues come down to people coming in, they they hear a podcast, they they see, you know, maybe read a book or an article or something, and it intrigues them.
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SPEAKER_04: And oftentimes, somebody coming into therapeutic hypnosis, they've run out of hope.
9:48
SPEAKER_04: There is nothing else.
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SPEAKER_04: They've done the years of talk therapy, they've done EDMR, they're all very helpful, very useful, very healing.
9:54
SPEAKER_04: But oftentimes it's not getting to that source code, you're not getting to that core issue because they don't know what it is.
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SPEAKER_04: And so you can talk about you know a problem or or so, you know, a few in life, but if you're not talking about the problem, you may continue to react to the world in anger or anxiety or fear.
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SPEAKER_04: And and logically, you can stand back and maybe even analyze, like uh, you have a friend, maybe a child or a sibling in your life, and you stand back and you're like, okay, if you just made this change, if you would just stop, because you grew up in the same household.
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SPEAKER_04: You see that with brothers and sisters.
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SPEAKER_04: It's like we grew up in the same household.
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SPEAKER_04: How am I how am I killing it and you're still struggling?
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SPEAKER_04: Okay, well, maybe there's those years of difference in terms of of age and and all that.
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SPEAKER_04: It's all again, source code.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, even if the influences are somewhat similar, growing up in the same household, maybe friends influences or teacher influences or other things, maybe the books they read, the TV shows they watch, also help direct in to a certain way.
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SPEAKER_04: But in terms of coming to a hypnotherapy session, it's often at the bottom of the list.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: And they've run out of hope.
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SPEAKER_04: And they say, well, this is the last thing, this is the only thing to try, and it becomes a catalyst for extraordinary change because they're taking back control.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, and I think, you know, you mentioned talk therapy, and I and I definitely believe that there's a there's a place for that.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: But I also, in my in my own journey and realizing how many other modalities are out there, um, I I think that just scratches the surface.
11:30
SPEAKER_00: And I don't think that that's um necessarily the most helpful one.
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SPEAKER_00: I think you can do talk therapy for years and years and years and not see results when uh from from something where you can go have a couple of sessions with this or some of the other things that I've seen that have worked really well because we do store that stuff in the body or subconsciously where it's like you could talk it to death and maybe not even realize that maybe your your uh you know your your lack of worth or worthiness is stems from maybe organized religion or maybe from where you were raised, you know, I was raised in South Dakota and where I was raised.
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SPEAKER_00: Women didn't have the same value as men did, obviously, because it was a different time back there as well, and also, you know, they weren't earners of money.
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SPEAKER_00: It was all of the different things.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but then I have that like deep down inside of me where, you know, if you wonder, I can talk to death about why I don't feel like I'm enough, but it is stuff like that that's just that core nugget that was that programming that was installed in you.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, visually visualizing it like a computer is really helpful to me because I'm a very visual person.
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SPEAKER_00: So when you think about okay, you came out of the box, whatever your whatever your ingredients were out of the box, and then you had these different outside factors that kind of play into it, whether you had two parents, whether they were loving parents, whether they fought a lot, there's just a lot of things that kind of go into your programming.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you're not happy with it as an adult, there's things that can be done about it, you know.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: And just using the the uh computer code metaphor, you know, if somebody is creating uh an accounting program for their business and they put in there two plus two equals five, well, it doesn't matter how much you you vent about it to your friend or talk about it with a coach or you know, slam your fist on your keyboard out of frustration, or even you take a marker, uh you take a sharpen, you write on there two plus two equals four on your computer screen.
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SPEAKER_04: It's not until you go into the code.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, find the code.
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SPEAKER_04: Now, do you need to analyze why that code was put in there?
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SPEAKER_04: Maybe that's helpful so it doesn't get repeated somewhere down the line.
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SPEAKER_04: Maybe you just need to change the code.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
13:26
SPEAKER_04: But change the code.
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SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_04: Put in there, you know, edit it, amend it, whatever you need to do, and put in there two plus two equals four.
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SPEAKER_04: You press save.
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SPEAKER_04: Now all your equations equal out.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
13:37
SPEAKER_04: And I don't mean to make it out to sound that simple or easy, but sometimes it's that simple and easy.
13:42
SPEAKER_04: A you know, really great story about this was uh some years ago I was doing some classes for the cancer support community of Arizona.
13:51
SPEAKER_04: And they uh I live in Flagstaff, although most of my stuff is over to Zoom, we talked about that.
13:56
SPEAKER_04: But uh, if any kind of brightness came out of the COVID area, it was like a lot of this work went to Zoom, whether it's talk therapy or uh life coaching or relationship counseling or hypnotherapy or doctor's appointment.
14:10
SPEAKER_04: And what the research has shown over the years, sociological research, is that Zoom sessions work as well as in-person.
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SPEAKER_04: In fact, there's some research that say Zoom sessions work better than in-person.
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SPEAKER_04: The virtual sessions work better because people feel relaxed and comfortable in their homes.
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SPEAKER_04: You live in a large city, you don't have to drive across town on a Friday afternoon to try to get your appointment.
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SPEAKER_04: You're at home when you're done.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so Zoom sessions work great, and uh the cancer support community opened up an office in Flagstaff uh in 20 uh 19, end of 2019, and three months later, you know, COVID happened.
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SPEAKER_04: And so they're the first people I noticed to shut down, like close the doors in terms of people coming in person because everybody has a compromised immune system.
14:49
SPEAKER_04: I was teaching some classes, pain control, healing acceleration is just kind of giving back, and classes went online.
14:56
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, well, I guess I can either be that guy and not do it or learn how to do stuff online.
15:02
SPEAKER_04: And I was doing a series of classes.
15:05
SPEAKER_04: Uh one of the people that uh came to the class was an older woman, she was in her 70s, and we'd done uh two classes on the third class.
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SPEAKER_04: She showed up a bit early to the Zoom class.
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SPEAKER_04: We're just chit-chatting as you do about the weather and how the weekend's gonna go and all that.
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SPEAKER_04: And she says, Hey, I wanted to ask you, does hypnotherapy work with procrastination?
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SPEAKER_04: I'm like, Oh, yeah, that's a mindset issue of not wanting to move forward with something, even if though it may be helpful for you.
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SPEAKER_04: Get that report done on time, get the meeting uh organized, all those things that some reason the brakes are being put on.
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SPEAKER_04: Well, that's a mindset issue, unconscious, but we can figure that out with hypnotherapy.
15:42
SPEAKER_04: It's a great uh tool to use.
15:44
SPEAKER_04: And I actually had an appointment the very next day at the same time.
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SPEAKER_04: So we set that up.
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SPEAKER_04: She shows up for her Zoom session the very next day, and she says, You know, I told you I wanted to work on procrastination, but what I really want to work on is why I don't matter in life.
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SPEAKER_04: This is a 70-year-old woman who feels she has no value, has no worth.
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SPEAKER_04: And that's because the subconscious mind came to her and said, Well, we can work on a problem, but why not work on the problem?
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SPEAKER_04: Because if you work on the problem, that procrastination is probably just gonna disappear and fade away and turn to dust.
16:17
SPEAKER_04: And so, yeah, we'll work on that problem.
16:19
SPEAKER_04: And there's a feeling state, whether it's anxiety or anger, however, you want to define that feeling state, but there's a feeling state to not being worthy, yeah, and not having value.
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SPEAKER_04: And that feeling state is being created by brain chemistry, hormones and the neuropeptides and things like that.
16:35
SPEAKER_04: And that brain chemistry is getting changed in that way when somebody feels unworthy or anxious or angry because of a thought, conscious or unconscious.
16:42
SPEAKER_04: So sometimes it's just as easy to follow that feeling state in the body back to the thought, conscious or unconscious, that is creating the change of brain chemistry.
16:50
SPEAKER_04: So that's what we did.
16:51
SPEAKER_04: And so we're doing um a regression work.
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SPEAKER_04: Now, this is basically her fourth session.
16:58
SPEAKER_04: The first three sessions are general class group sessions of and of things like pain control, healing, acceleration that have nothing to do with the issue.
17:08
SPEAKER_04: So this is her first solo session, and we do this, but she's used to it, she knows the work.
17:12
SPEAKER_04: She's been practicing during the weeks with the recordings I send.
17:16
SPEAKER_04: And we take her back in a regression style to a memory that she has somewhere in the filing cabinet of the subconscious mind.
17:27
SPEAKER_04: You know, 10 down to 1 and 1.
17:29
SPEAKER_04: Where are you?
17:30
SPEAKER_04: She says, I'm standing up in my crib and my father's screaming at me because I won't stop crying.
17:35
SPEAKER_04: Now I don't standing up in your crib.
17:37
SPEAKER_04: What is that?
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SPEAKER_04: Like 12 months old, 14 months old, something somewhere around there.
17:40
SPEAKER_04: And if she's 70 years old, I'm guessing this is the 1950s or so.
17:45
SPEAKER_04: And maybe men back then weren't exactly trained how to nurture small children and babies.
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SPEAKER_04: Maybe dad's having a bad day, a bad week, a bad life.
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SPEAKER_04: Maybe dad's not the nicest person in the world.
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SPEAKER_04: Mom's out of the house, the baby won't stop crying.
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SPEAKER_04: It's late, and he just snaps.
18:02
SPEAKER_04: And the only thing he thinks to do is to scream louder than the baby and tell the child to shut up.
18:08
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
18:09
SPEAKER_04: And in that instance, the child, even though it's 12 months, 14, 16 months old, has to justify why this is happening.
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SPEAKER_04: Analyze that in a really quick fashion on why this is happening.
18:20
SPEAKER_04: This person is supposed to love her, to nurture her, to uh protect her, is screaming at her.
18:25
SPEAKER_04: That's frightening.
18:26
SPEAKER_04: That's gonna be so traumatic.
18:28
SPEAKER_04: And in that instant, that child came up with, well, I guess I don't matter.
18:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: I guess I have no worth of value, otherwise, this wouldn't be happening.
18:36
SPEAKER_04: Now, is that true or not true?
18:38
SPEAKER_04: Well, it's not true.
18:39
SPEAKER_04: But in that instant, to justify why this is happening, to form that armor so that it won't ever happen again, she put that file in the filing cabinet.
18:48
SPEAKER_04: Now it wasn't her fault, and it shouldn't have happened, and it wasn't fair.
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SPEAKER_04: But she's the one that did that.
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SPEAKER_04: Now, unfortunately, for unfortunately, it took some 70 years for her to finally say, I've had enough and I want to change this.
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SPEAKER_04: We changed it, we did some deep healing work, I never saw her again.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: Isn't it?
19:05
SPEAKER_04: You know, it's extraordinary.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: It's so great because it's like those things, they get calcified, right?
19:09
SPEAKER_00: When you say the filing cabinet of your subconscious, I think that's such a great visual.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: And then those things get calcified in there, where then you that's the root, and then you build your entire life around those kind of core, terrible feelings about yourself, right?
19:22
SPEAKER_00: That's that mind that tells you you're not good enough and all of these things.
19:25
SPEAKER_00: And I work with a lot of people where, you know, they they think they have to go through all of the all of these problems, right?
19:31
SPEAKER_00: They have all of these problems.
19:32
SPEAKER_00: And I will maintain that if you can find the roots and pull those weeds instead of just keep mowing them, you don't even have to deal with all of the stuff that's on top because it will automatically just die up and go away once you get to those kind of really big roots that are in there, subconscious or otherwise, that um are the ones that are dictating and telling you the story of your life.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: And so it's just that's such a great example and such a great story because um how amazing and how powerful that she's able to fix that and then go about her life in one session, right?
20:03
SPEAKER_00: A couple of group sessions and then one session with you.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: I just think that that's really powerful.
20:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, I want to stop really quickly and just and just say, you know, most people hear hypnosis and think stage shows and plucking like chickens.
20:14
SPEAKER_00: Will you kind of describe that a little bit?
20:16
SPEAKER_00: Because I I, you know, I want people to understand.
20:18
SPEAKER_00: I understand hypnosis, I've done it successfully before, and I'll tell that story a little bit later in the show.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: But I would love for you to just kind of tell a little bit so that people that are listening that aren't familiar have a better idea of what we're talking about.
20:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's really unfortunate.
20:30
SPEAKER_04: Uh a lot of the misconceptions and myths about uh hypnosis and hypnotherapy through movies and TV shows, the Las Vegas shows, the comedy club shows.
20:41
SPEAKER_04: And and people get this idea that it's brainwashing or mind control, or that turns people into zombies or Manchurian candidates to go assassinate the prime minister, and it's not what it is.
20:53
SPEAKER_04: In fact, what again, what this does is actually gives you back the control.
20:58
SPEAKER_04: And really, all we're all we're talking about is brainwave state.
21:00
SPEAKER_04: And the famous ones we learned about back in school, beta, alpha, theta, and delta.
21:05
SPEAKER_04: And by moving down, just quieting how fast the brain is working, really, uh, how fast the brain is processing information, you move into that alpha brainwave state, a daydreamy state.
21:15
SPEAKER_04: So let's say I'm back in high school math class and I'm paying attention, it's gonna be on the final, I gotta, I'm taking notes, I gotta do well.
21:21
SPEAKER_04: I really gotta do well in this test, so I'm paying attention.
21:24
SPEAKER_04: And I'm in the beta brainwave state.
21:27
SPEAKER_04: My brain is firing at about 18, 20 cycles per second.
21:30
SPEAKER_04: Now I've seen those YouTube videos of a lightning storm in the brain.
21:34
SPEAKER_04: Neurons firing the low electrical pulses to each other.
21:38
SPEAKER_04: Well, how fast that lightning storm happens is what brainwave states you're in.
21:42
SPEAKER_04: And so I'm paying attention in the present moment, so that's what like we're in right now.
21:45
SPEAKER_04: We're in the present moment, focusing on the task at hand, having this conversation.
21:49
SPEAKER_04: We're firing about 18, 20 cycles per second in this conscious awareness state of the beta brainwave state.
21:54
SPEAKER_04: Well, I'm back in high school math class and I just ah, can't deal it.
21:58
SPEAKER_04: And I start staring out the window.
22:00
SPEAKER_04: And I'm thinking about, you know, weekends coming up.
22:02
SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be so much fun.
22:03
SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna hang out with my friends.
22:04
SPEAKER_04: Oh, that vacation I took last week, and then the movie's coming out.
22:07
SPEAKER_04: Well, I've just moved into the more daydreamy state.
22:10
SPEAKER_04: I've slowed down how fast my brain, my brain is processing information.
22:13
SPEAKER_04: This teacher's still talking, doing the equations on the board, kids asking questions and acting up and doing, but I've tuned all that out and I've floated and drifted away.
22:22
SPEAKER_04: I've altered my state of consciousness and moved into the alpha brainwave state.
22:27
SPEAKER_04: And then I start doing one of these and I started fuss.
22:31
SPEAKER_04: I'm not really asleep, you know, uh, but I'm not really awake either.
22:34
SPEAKER_04: I'm in the theta brainwave state.
22:36
SPEAKER_04: So I went from 18 to 20 cycles per second down to alpha, 12 cycles per second.
22:41
SPEAKER_04: Now I'm about six cycles per second.
22:43
SPEAKER_04: And in a minute, I might be fully asleep in the delta brainwave state, firing about, you know, two, one cycle per second.
22:50
SPEAKER_04: But the teacher sees me and says, Hey Craig, why don't you come up here and do the problem on the board?
22:53
SPEAKER_04: I jolt awake and I'm looking around and I don't know how to do the problem.
22:57
SPEAKER_04: I wasn't paying attention.
22:57
SPEAKER_04: Now everybody's staring at me, I'm embarrassed, I'm a little bit scared because he wants me to come off on the I don't know how to do that problem.
23:04
SPEAKER_04: Now I'm stressed.
23:05
SPEAKER_04: I'm firing about 30 cycles per second in the high beta stress response, the fight or flight response.
23:11
SPEAKER_04: Just in high school math class, sitting there, getting bored, I've altered my state of consciousness three or four times, just in about six, seven, eight minutes.
23:20
SPEAKER_04: Well, we do that all the time during our day.
23:22
SPEAKER_04: If you ever had that experience of driving home, and you don't remember the last minute or two, you're driving to the store, you missed the exit on the freeway or whatever, because your mind drifts off.
23:30
SPEAKER_04: Your subconscious mind took over driving because you know how to drive.
23:32
SPEAKER_04: You know how to drive home, you know how to drive to the store, you know how to drive to work.
23:34
SPEAKER_04: So it takes it over just like it ties your shoes and rides a bike and walks down the street.
23:40
SPEAKER_04: Well, we do that all the time.
23:43
SPEAKER_04: That's hypnosis.
23:45
SPEAKER_04: The alpha, theta, delta brainwave state is what's collectively known as the hypnagogic trance state.
23:51
SPEAKER_04: So there's a phrase to throw out on your next party.
23:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's like I'll never remember that again, but it's great.
23:57
SPEAKER_04: But that's hypnosis.
23:58
SPEAKER_04: We do it all the time.
23:59
SPEAKER_04: There's not a person who can't do that.
24:01
SPEAKER_04: And so if even somebody listening or watching has experienced hypnosis, this is really exciting because if somebody out there said, Well, I can't be hypnotized, that shows you the control you have.
24:12
SPEAKER_04: You did not feel comfortable in that situation.
24:14
SPEAKER_04: There's the academics out there, um, researchers and things that say, well, 20% of the people can't be hypnotized.
24:21
SPEAKER_04: That's not a thing.
24:21
unknown: Right.
24:22
SPEAKER_04: They could not be hypnotized with you in your research lab in the classroom or whatever you were.
24:27
SPEAKER_04: They didn't feel comfortable and they would not allow themselves to move out of that.
24:32
SPEAKER_04: They may even got a little bit more stress because of the white lab coats and the forms and the tablets and all the things that made them a little more stressed out.
24:41
SPEAKER_04: So they could not relax into the alpha brainwave state.
24:45
SPEAKER_04: That doesn't mean they can't do it.
24:46
SPEAKER_04: It means they took control and said, I don't feel comfortable in this place, this person at this time.
24:50
SPEAKER_04: They took control.
24:52
SPEAKER_04: And so, really, what this comes down to is timeline.
24:57
SPEAKER_04: And back in the early 1800s, uh, there was a doctor by Dr.
25:02
SPEAKER_04: James Esdell.
25:03
SPEAKER_04: He was in India practicing as a surgeon.
25:06
SPEAKER_04: And back then, like all over the world, they didn't have fancy hospitals or fancy anesthesia, anything like that.
25:11
SPEAKER_04: So if you're having your leg amputated, if you're, you know, some issue, you're biting down on a stick, right?
25:17
SPEAKER_04: Or maybe blow to the head to knock you unconscious or something.
25:20
SPEAKER_04: Well, Dr.
25:20
SPEAKER_04: James Esdell, being there in India, he learned about this trance state he could put people in.
25:25
SPEAKER_04: And so he would take about an hour to put people into a deep, deep, deep, deep trance state.
25:30
SPEAKER_04: So far under into trance, it'll look like they're in a coma.
25:34
SPEAKER_04: Then he could do amputations.
25:35
SPEAKER_04: They wouldn't move.
25:36
SPEAKER_04: He'd cut people open with a knife and take out tumors and deal with injuries and war wounds and all this kind of stuff.
25:42
SPEAKER_04: Well, he went back to England, took this process with him, teaching it, talking about it.
25:47
SPEAKER_04: Another doctor, James Bard, wanting a word to describe this trance state, this coma-like state, as he talked about with his colleagues and wrote about it, decided to name it after the Greek god of sleep, hypnos.
26:00
SPEAKER_04: So he called it hypnosis.
26:02
SPEAKER_04: And since then, over the last whatever, 130 years or so, this word has grown to encompass all sorts of different altered states of consciousness we can put ourselves into.
26:13
SPEAKER_04: So it's really a natural state of mind.
26:15
SPEAKER_04: We can put ourselves into, yes, it's nice and relaxing when you turn the lights down and you relax in a recliner and all that.
26:22
SPEAKER_04: We can do this in a crowded airport with your eyes open if somebody's having a panic attack or something.
26:26
SPEAKER_04: Sure.
26:27
SPEAKER_04: It'd still be techniques under the umbrella term of hypnotherapy.
26:31
SPEAKER_04: There's all sorts of different tools and techniques we can use.
26:34
SPEAKER_04: We can do it anywhere, anytime, any place, but understand that you are in control.
26:40
SPEAKER_04: And so when you look at those shows, uh, and people are dancing like Michael Jackson and singing like Elvis Presley and talking like chickens or whatever.
26:49
SPEAKER_04: Every single person who got up there volunteered to be up there.
26:53
SPEAKER_04: They want to be up there.
26:55
SPEAKER_04: And, you know, who's that hypnotist going to come there?
26:58
SPEAKER_04: Come on, hey, welcome everybody.
26:59
SPEAKER_04: We're gonna have a great show.
27:00
SPEAKER_04: Who wants to come up here and be part of the show?
27:03
SPEAKER_04: Who are they gonna pick?
27:04
SPEAKER_04: The introvert in the back of the room, sinking down their chair, trying to, you know, hide in the shadows, or are they picking the extrovert who got there early because they're an exhibitionist and they want to be part of the show, they want to have fun.
27:13
SPEAKER_04: Every single person who gets up on that stage volunteered to be up there.
27:17
SPEAKER_04: And even if they lost a bet, let's say you're saying, okay, well, if you lose a bet, then you have to get up there and do the show.
27:22
SPEAKER_04: They're gonna be excused from the stage.
27:24
SPEAKER_04: That's why they pick like 12, 13, 14 people, because two or three of them are gonna be excused because they're stressed and they're they have stage fright and they're not gonna be able to do it.
27:34
SPEAKER_04: And look at them after the show, they all have a big smile on their face because they had a good time.
27:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you can't make anybody do anything they don't want to do.
27:40
SPEAKER_04: Even with influencing people, you're being influenced because something about that thing, whether it's the commercial or the news or the politics or the whatever it is, the music, the sports, it resonates with you.
27:52
SPEAKER_04: You know, so if somebody is a big time football fan, just because the hockey team in town won the championship, it made it they don't care.
28:01
SPEAKER_04: It doesn't influence them because they're not a hockey fan.
28:04
SPEAKER_04: You know, and so, or the the big popular artist releases a new album or a new movie or something, it's like, well, I don't really care.
28:11
SPEAKER_04: It doesn't resonate with me.
28:12
SPEAKER_04: However, my other favorite band is going to release an album that excites me.
28:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so it's about resonating, but it also, yeah, there's a certain aspect that can influence you if you know you're not watching.
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29:02
SPEAKER_00: One of the things that I've experienced, and maybe you can speak to kind of what the feeling of that is, but one of the things that I experienced, excuse me, when I went to hypnosis, uh, God, it's probably been 25, 30 years ago I went to quit smoking uh successfully.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: I I quit smoking and uh I started again after a couple of months because I started putting on a bunch of weight.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: But I walked out of that office and never smoked again.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: I didn't even think about it, which is crazy because for anyone that knows me knows that I loved to smoke.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: Like I really love to smoke.
29:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh and I don't know the science behind all of it, and it wasn't really kind of a therapy thing.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: It was like I went specifically for smoking, he did his thing and and off we went.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: But um he gave me this tape, which I found this week, earlier this week, uh, just randomly.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh and if anyone has something where you play a cassette tape on, please let me know because I don't even know that they make that stuff anymore.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: But um when he when he brought me back out of that, he asked how long I felt like I had been under, under whatever, you know, maybe he was that well, maybe he didn't exactly so whatever that means.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: And I told him maybe a couple couple minutes, and he said it had been an hour.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: You know, and then here's the tape so that you can hear exactly all of the things.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: And it just blew my doors off because I didn't know anything about it when I went and did it.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: I had been recommended that by someone else who had had worked for.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, so so maybe you can excuse me, speak to that and just say like what that feels like, or how, you know, are there different levels where people can go?
30:33
SPEAKER_00: Because I think I've also done one more recently and that was more hypnotherapy that was like, okay, why do I feel this certain type of way?
30:39
SPEAKER_00: And like you're saying, go back in your mind to wherever to dig that up.
30:43
SPEAKER_00: And I don't feel like I was under in the same way that I was for this smoking thing.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: So obviously there's different degrees of it as well.
30:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's just the brainwave state.
30:50
SPEAKER_04: Are you in the high alpha firing about 14, 13, 12 cycles per second?
30:55
SPEAKER_04: Are you way down maybe more into theta brainwave state, six cycles per second?
30:59
SPEAKER_04: Is it's just like somebody, you know, falling asleep, you know, but not really, but they're kind of that daydreamy state, and you're like, oh, and you they jolt yourself away and say, okay, I need to, oh, it's been an hour.
31:10
SPEAKER_04: Or you're in that flow state, maybe at work, or maybe you're being creative, and you know it's been three hours and you didn't realize it.
31:20
SPEAKER_04: It's not an unnatural state to get into because when you move out of that conscious awareness, and then we could get into the whole nother conversation about maybe the gamma brainwave state where you're firing like a hundred cycles per second, really get in that flow state, whether you're an athlete or a creative type or a business person, and you just get into that creative flow, and it's been hours, and you didn't realize you forgot to eat, you forgot to go to the bathroom, you forgot to pick your friend up from the airport because you get into that flow state.
31:43
SPEAKER_04: Again, all we do is take advantage of that.
31:46
SPEAKER_04: We're not doing anything that you're not doing already.
31:49
SPEAKER_04: Now, a lot of the times, especially when you're dealing maybe with something more traumatic, and uh we want you in a conscious level of state where we're having a conversation.
31:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
32:00
SPEAKER_04: He may be very relaxed, but it wouldn't be unlike uh having you close your eyes and relax a bit.
32:06
SPEAKER_04: And then tell me about high school.
32:08
SPEAKER_04: Well, you're accessing a memory about high school, and I may ask some questions, leading questions about high school, and you're pulling memories out of that filing cabinet.
32:18
SPEAKER_04: Well, sometimes those files may be a little bit further back or in a locked drawer that needs to be unlocked.
32:24
SPEAKER_04: Well, you know what the problem is, because if a certain feeling state or a certain reaction like procrastination and moving away from something or deep fear of, let's say, a red pickup truck, because when somebody was um, you know, they're 12 years old and they were in a hit-on collision with a red pickup truck, that was very traumatic.
32:46
SPEAKER_04: Well, now maybe in the filing cabinet is red pickup trucks are dangerous.
32:51
SPEAKER_04: And now is that true or not true?
32:53
SPEAKER_04: Well, it's like that's a file in the filing cabinet, and they may be now 50 years later, they don't even remember it.
32:59
SPEAKER_04: And they're driving across town and it's great traffic and it's a beautiful day, and the music's amazing.
33:05
SPEAKER_04: But out of the peripheral vision, they saw a red pickup truck.
33:08
SPEAKER_04: They even consciously clock it, but out of the peripheral vision, they saw a red pickup truck in a parking lot.
33:14
SPEAKER_04: It's not dangerous because it's not coming at them.
33:15
SPEAKER_04: There's nobody even in, it's not even running.
33:17
SPEAKER_04: But it gets them a little stressed, a little hyper-vigilant.
33:21
SPEAKER_04: And so by the time they're they're at uh their destination, at their friend's house for the party, they're like white knuckling it on the steering wheel and they're all up tight.
33:28
SPEAKER_04: It's like, why?
33:28
SPEAKER_04: Well, because their subconscious mind registered a danger.
33:32
SPEAKER_04: Now, was it a danger or not a danger?
33:34
SPEAKER_04: The file and the programming was you need to watch out for red pickup trucks.
33:38
SPEAKER_04: Now, can that be you know eliminated or reduced or turned down to zero?
33:44
SPEAKER_04: Because there are certain aspects of life where fear and anxiety are important, like the fear and anxiety that keeps you from walking down the dark alley at midnight, even though it's a shortcut home.
33:53
SPEAKER_04: The the you're out, somebody's out hiking in Alaska, you turn the corner, that grizzly bear is not your friend.
33:59
SPEAKER_04: You know, peering too far over the edge of the Grand Canyon, going out hiking in the middle of the afternoon when it's 128 degrees out into the desert, even though it's going to be, you know, a beautiful sunset.
34:08
SPEAKER_04: It's like sometimes that fear and anxiety is there to help.
34:11
SPEAKER_04: So you don't want to like get rid of it, but it may be influencing you in a way that is unhealthy.
34:16
SPEAKER_04: And even something like smoking cigarettes.
34:19
SPEAKER_04: This is the proof of the control issue.
34:21
SPEAKER_04: I can't make people just quit smoking if they don't want to quit smoking.
34:25
SPEAKER_04: It's like you were we were talking before the cameras started rolling about somebody in your life and they're smoking, and it would be so great if they stopped health reasons and money and all that stuff.
34:35
SPEAKER_04: Well, even if you set up an appointment for them, that hypnotherapist can't make them quit smoking if they don't want to.
34:42
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
34:42
SPEAKER_04: You know?
34:43
SPEAKER_04: And so that's the control you have, however, if you want to.
34:47
SPEAKER_04: And I'll I find when I work with people with quit to quit smoking, again, most of the time over Zoom sessions, is that the problem isn't quitting.
34:56
SPEAKER_04: They've quit.
34:57
SPEAKER_04: They've quit many times, maybe.
34:59
SPEAKER_04: Well, it's just for two days, it's just for three days, it's well, by three or four days the nicotine's out of your system and all that stuff.
35:05
SPEAKER_04: So the problem isn't quitting.
35:07
SPEAKER_04: You can quit.
35:07
SPEAKER_04: You've proven yourself over and over again, you can quit.
35:09
SPEAKER_04: So the problem is why do you keep starting again?
35:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:11
SPEAKER_04: Is there a stress issue?
35:13
SPEAKER_04: Is it a boredom issue?
35:14
SPEAKER_04: Is it just you like the ritual of the entire thing?
35:16
SPEAKER_04: There's a reason why.
35:18
SPEAKER_04: And you always find it like with smoking, there's an age group, like 12 to 25.
35:22
SPEAKER_04: You never find somebody like at 35 or 40 and say, Ah, I just started smoking.
35:26
SPEAKER_04: Isn't this amazing?
35:28
SPEAKER_04: And is it always within that socialization period of a teenager's and early 20s?
35:33
SPEAKER_04: Maybe they want to look cool in front of their friends, or maybe they're just bored, or say, everybody else is smoking, so I guess I'll try it.
35:38
SPEAKER_04: And you have to force yourself into that, and then it's like, okay, well, this is kind of fun.
35:43
SPEAKER_04: But you weren't born a smoker.
35:45
SPEAKER_04: That's not who you are.
35:46
SPEAKER_04: That's not true source code.
35:49
SPEAKER_04: You are a non-smoker.
35:50
SPEAKER_04: So really it's just you know, reverse engineering what happened.
35:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
35:54
SPEAKER_04: It's not like turning you into some zombie person who doesn't want to smoke anymore.
35:58
SPEAKER_04: It's like, no, you are a non-smoker and you've quit many times.
36:01
SPEAKER_02: Right.
36:02
SPEAKER_04: The issue may not even be the smoking.
36:04
SPEAKER_04: The issue is why do you keep needing this um self-care uh that is unhealthy in the long term, but in the instant, you get that dopamine head and think, okay, so what do you need the dopamine head for?
36:18
SPEAKER_04: And it's like these questions that you know what the answer is, because you know what the problem is.
36:24
SPEAKER_04: And that's the thing.
36:25
SPEAKER_04: When somebody may feel anxiety or anger and they're not even sure why, you know why.
36:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah because you're even if somebody's chronically anxious, chronically angry, most of the time, they're not anxious all the time.
36:38
SPEAKER_04: So the mind knows when to turn it on and when to turn it off.
36:42
SPEAKER_04: So sometimes it's just finding those, that pathway back to why does the mind create the brain chemistry to create that feeling state and that reaction?
36:52
SPEAKER_04: And that's why sometimes it can be that simple and easy.
36:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, it may be you know issues that are difficult, but let's just you know deal with them.
37:03
SPEAKER_04: And it's not that not where we're creating amnesia.
37:05
SPEAKER_04: You don't want to forget stuff, you want to remember the hot pot on the stove, you know, will burn your hand.
37:10
SPEAKER_04: That that's wisdom.
37:11
SPEAKER_04: They don't need to keep the pain anymore.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: You know, why why can someone understand like exactly why they're doing something destructive and then still keep doing it?
37:21
SPEAKER_00: Like what does that look like?
37:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that that's really interesting because to a certain amount of um within them, they're getting something valuable out of that.
37:34
SPEAKER_04: Now, I can analyze that and stand back from it and say, well, there's nothing valuable you're getting out of that.
37:40
SPEAKER_04: But in that moment, whether it's the dopamine head or the feeling of safety, even though you could write logically on a list on like why it's not good for them, but that's the issue with the subconscious mind, is that the subconscious mind is here to protect us and to keep us safe and for survival.
37:55
SPEAKER_04: That's its main job, which doesn't necessarily mean successful and happy, it means alive.
38:01
SPEAKER_04: Now, it does this by creating safety protocols around the events, situations, circumstances that you've experienced in your life, maybe since day one.
38:11
SPEAKER_04: You may not remember most of them.
38:12
SPEAKER_04: They're in that filing cabinet.
38:14
SPEAKER_04: But there are all these files of all the things that have been uh traumatic and created pain and hurt and anger and humiliation and embarrassment.
38:22
SPEAKER_04: It doesn't want to experience that.
38:23
SPEAKER_04: Your subconscious mind is for you.
38:25
SPEAKER_04: It may not seem like that sometimes, but your subconscious mind is for you and wants you to survive and to protect you.
38:30
SPEAKER_04: Well, it's also, yes, running your immune system and your digestive system, being your heart, you get a cut on your finger.
38:35
SPEAKER_04: It knows what to do, it knows which finger it is.
38:37
SPEAKER_04: Somebody breaks a bone, they know where the where to fuse the bone.
38:40
SPEAKER_04: Your subconscious mind knows how to do all this and and hold on to habits like walking down the street, like tying your shoes and zipping up your jacket.
38:47
SPEAKER_04: All these things we don't have to think about, but its main job is to keep you safe and protected, and we'll do so by emotionalizing that hurt and pain because that's the warning signal.
38:56
SPEAKER_04: It's like somebody pulling the fire alarm in a building.
39:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the sirens go off, the lights go off, warning everybody that there's danger, you need to get safe.
39:04
SPEAKER_04: But we also have a warning system, but it's the feeling states.
39:07
SPEAKER_04: Feeling state of anxiety, feeling state of anger is your mind trying to get your attention that there's something dangerous.
39:13
SPEAKER_04: Kind of one of the big issues of being human, though, is what you practice, you get better at.
39:17
SPEAKER_04: Which is great if you want to learn piano or dance or martial arts or learning to walk as a kid.
39:21
SPEAKER_04: But if you're practicing anxiety, if you're practicing anger, practicing in self-soothing by smoking cigarettes, you're gonna get really good.
39:27
SPEAKER_04: You're really gonna wire that into your brain.
39:29
SPEAKER_04: So that's the subconscious mind, the conscious mind.
39:32
SPEAKER_04: That's the logical mind, the analytical mind, the mind that, you know, creates your plans, the plans uh and uh the uh to reach your goals, plan for your day, the plan for your week, your five-year plan, the goals you want to achieve, the willpower to go after that.
39:45
SPEAKER_04: But what neuroscience has told us is that conscious mind only makes up 5% of mind.
39:50
SPEAKER_04: Subconscious mind makes up 95% of mind.
39:53
unknown: Wow.
39:53
SPEAKER_04: So whenever there's conflict between the logical mind and the emotional mind, the emotional mind wins every time.
40:00
SPEAKER_04: That's why none of this has to make any sense.
40:03
SPEAKER_04: So when you say it's like, well, why would somebody do something that is you know inevitably going to harm them in the long term, like smoking cigarettes or something else?
40:13
SPEAKER_04: Why would they be doing that?
40:14
SPEAKER_04: It's because, well, no, it's not logical.
40:15
SPEAKER_04: Not logical at all.
40:16
SPEAKER_04: But somewhere in the programming, two plus two equals five.
40:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
40:20
SPEAKER_04: And it has to achieve that.
40:21
SPEAKER_04: It doesn't make any logical sense.
40:24
SPEAKER_04: But through wanting to move away from pain, that makes sense to them, and that's how they've set it up, maybe as a frightened child, unconsciously during a traumatic event.
40:36
SPEAKER_04: Because maybe the best thing that child could have done was to be small and keep quiet and to hide.
40:42
SPEAKER_04: And that was the best safety protocol that child could have come up with to keep them safe throughout those years.
40:48
SPEAKER_04: That doesn't work when you're 20 or 30 or 60 or 70 or 80 years old.
40:52
SPEAKER_04: But until you change the programming, two plus two equals five.
40:55
SPEAKER_04: It doesn't make any sense.
40:56
SPEAKER_04: It doesn't make logical sense, but and you can analyze it to death.
41:00
SPEAKER_04: A great example of the kind of history of all this is Sigmund Freud was a hypnotherapist.
41:06
SPEAKER_04: There were two schools of hypnotherapy in Vienna back in the late 1800s.
41:11
SPEAKER_04: He was at one of them, but he had a speech impediment.
41:13
SPEAKER_04: And as you can imagine, just hearing me talk through all this, you you talk a lot as a hypnotherapist because you're guiding them through their healing.
41:23
SPEAKER_04: Well, if you have a speech impediment, that's very difficult.
41:26
SPEAKER_04: And so he also was seemingly annoyed at that you could go into a hypnotherapist's office with a problem and walk out without it.
41:33
SPEAKER_04: He wanted to analyze, he wanted to understand, he wanted to uh understand the shadow self and really get into understanding why somebody is doing what they're doing and tell them why they're doing it.
41:44
SPEAKER_04: He wanted to be in charge of that, and so he developed uh talk therapy.
41:49
SPEAKER_04: And he also said that this was not going to be uh a poor man's therapy, it was gonna take hundreds of hours.
41:56
SPEAKER_04: And a lot of it didn't work.
41:57
SPEAKER_04: That's why he was doing copious amounts of cocaine and prescribing cocaine to his patients because they wouldn't feel better.
42:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
42:03
SPEAKER_04: You know, he probably OD'd somebody because they took too much cocaine for their body size, and he was even of somewhat of an addict by the end of it.
42:10
SPEAKER_04: And you can go to his office, take a tour of office, just like here in in Scottsdale, you can take a tour of Milton Erickson's home.
42:16
SPEAKER_04: Um, you can take a tour of Sigmund Freud's office in Vienna, and there's there's you know, medical grade vials of cocaine on his shelf.
42:25
SPEAKER_04: You know, what if you could just change the programming?
42:28
SPEAKER_00: Right.
42:29
SPEAKER_00: The the visual that you do with the two plus two equals five, and understanding that it doesn't matter if you write it with a sharpie marker on the on the computer screen or scream or do whatever, all you have to do is go and change that five to a four.
42:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:41
SPEAKER_00: And it just it it levels everything out.
42:43
SPEAKER_00: The other thing that I want to circle back on is you saying the five percent and the ninety-five percent for the emotional, because one of the things that I ride pretty hard on this show and in life is uh emotional intelligence because I think that if you look at the population, we're a bunch of children, right?
43:02
SPEAKER_00: And and once you see it, you can't unsee it.
43:03
SPEAKER_00: And so it's not me coming from a judgmental place, it's just understanding that um we're a in aging bodies, but emotionally we're still children, which is why people still act like they're in high school and still do all of these things and well into their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: Um so so understanding that 95% of that is emotional is wild to me because it's like we've left so much on the table by not having a a higher EQ, um, especially if it represents so much of us.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: You your 5% is no match against a 95% that's completely out of control or or not elevated.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: And so I just find that to be fascinating.
43:40
SPEAKER_04: At 17 or 12 or standing up in your crib, you we kind of regress to that state of this is where I got hurt badly.
43:50
SPEAKER_04: Yes, and that child never got hurt.
43:52
SPEAKER_04: What if you you know could heal the child?
43:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the mind can't tell the difference between what's real and what's imagined.
43:59
SPEAKER_04: That's another great aspect.
44:00
SPEAKER_04: Of being human, or maybe it can be frustrating.
44:02
SPEAKER_04: And this is most noticeable when somebody's having a nightmare.
44:04
SPEAKER_04: So if somebody's having a nightmare, you know, people have ever had that experience or have kids who've had that experience.
44:10
SPEAKER_04: It doesn't matter how realistic or how crazy that nightmare can be.
44:14
SPEAKER_04: The uh, you know, it could be a veteran having a PTSD dream about being back in combat, being on the front lines, even though their war was 40 years ago.
44:22
SPEAKER_04: Could be something super ridiculous, super stupid, like a cheeseburger is chasing down the street, throwing coconuts at your head.
44:28
SPEAKER_04: In both situations, the mind has a safety protocol of shoot first, ask questions later, and that's an attack.
44:34
SPEAKER_04: That's a threat.
44:35
SPEAKER_04: And even in deep sleep, you'll turn on, you'll physically change by turning on the stress response, armoring yourself by putting the adrenaline and cortisol in your bloodstream, your heart racing to get it to your big muscles, your arms, and your legs, turning down the power of your immune system, your digestive system to get that power to the big muscles.
44:51
SPEAKER_04: Maybe so much cortisol wakes you up with a scream because it wants you consciously aware of the cheeseburger and where is it?
44:57
SPEAKER_04: And all because of cheeseburgers chasing on the street.
44:59
SPEAKER_04: So you can imagine what's happening in your waking world.
45:02
SPEAKER_04: And so the mind can't tell the difference between what's real and what's imaginable, change you physically physically by even something as ridiculous as a cheeseburger chasing you down the street.
45:12
SPEAKER_04: So a lot of this work is using the imagination.
45:16
SPEAKER_04: Because Sigmund Freud and Milton Erickson and Carl Jung and Laura Pearls, who developed uh Gestalt therapy, they all said the subconscious mind speaks to us in symbolism, metaphor, dreams, and imagination.
45:30
SPEAKER_04: We can speak back to it in metaphor and symbolism and imagination.
45:36
SPEAKER_04: And so we do.
45:37
SPEAKER_04: We we sometimes create a story of walking along a beautiful beach, or you know, whatever the symbolic, metaphoric stand under waterfall, blue healing energy.
45:46
SPEAKER_04: There's no such thing as a waterfall, blue healing energy that pours through you and washes you on the inside, draining and washing out all the stress and tension.
45:54
SPEAKER_04: But you can pretend and you will physically five feel that change.
46:00
SPEAKER_04: And so when healing can happen, what if you healed that child?
46:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:04
SPEAKER_04: Now, can you go back to you know when you were 10 or 12 or five years old?
46:11
SPEAKER_04: No, but you can pretend that you are standing in front of that child and give that child everything the child needed.
46:17
SPEAKER_04: The support, the encouragement, the love, the care, the strength, the empowerment the child needed.
46:23
SPEAKER_04: And if that child then has everything it needs to move forward in life, doesn't everything else collapse?
46:29
SPEAKER_04: Because if the fear and the anxiety is built upon that child not having support and encouragement, and then gets that support, encouragement, and love from you, and who better to know what that child needs than you, why would not everything change?
46:43
SPEAKER_04: You know, that pulse of card, you pull that bottom card of hurt and pain.
46:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, everything that's built on top of it, even decades later, has to collapse.
46:51
SPEAKER_00: It reminds me there's this restaurant that has this board, and it like puts up, you know, happy birthday to people or like whatever, and then it changes every couple of minutes, and so it's like every letter goes.
47:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: And it reminds me of that because you fix something, right?
47:04
SPEAKER_00: You pull that house of cards or you change something or you heal something, and then it's it's literally like looking at your life, and all of those things change, all of those letters change.
47:14
SPEAKER_00: And to me, I've been doing work on myself for years.
47:17
SPEAKER_00: I definitely co-sign and subscribe to everything that you're saying as far as going back to that version of yourself that needed that healing.
47:24
SPEAKER_00: And like you said, the who better to know and hold space for that child where you get what you need, it literally pulls that card out of there so that you're not building your life on um rotten fruit, on a instable ground, like whatever, whatever analogy you want to use in that.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: It is that powerful.
47:40
SPEAKER_00: And so when I look at people who are, you know, think, oh, I'm fine, I don't need to heal anything, and I look at what their life looks like, it's like, I don't know who your where your ego is getting in the way here, boss, but your life can be so much better than it is.
47:53
SPEAKER_00: Why wouldn't you want to do that?
47:54
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm gonna put in my hand here, your day can be a two or it can be a ten.
47:59
SPEAKER_00: And I've got these yay holes out here that are like, I'll take the two because of their pride or their ego.
48:03
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, you're a ding-dong.
48:05
SPEAKER_00: I live the best day of my life every single day of my life because I've done enough work to get all of that shit that I didn't didn't accept willingly as programming in my past.
48:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't live by that anymore, you know.
48:16
SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's part of the whole people living in, you know, the the elementary EQs and the living in high school is because it's like you got your feelings hurt back in middle school or elementary or kids made fun of you, or whatever it is.
48:28
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't even matter, right?
48:28
SPEAKER_00: I tripped in front of a class, I, you know, this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
48:32
SPEAKER_00: You build all of this scaffolding and stuff around this so that no one can touch that based on something that happened to you as a child, you know, and it's like we're adults now.
48:40
SPEAKER_00: Like you can fix that.
48:42
SPEAKER_00: We have different modalities, no matter what your brand is, it doesn't matter, right?
48:47
SPEAKER_00: Figure out what that is, fix it, and move on with your life, because then you're able to be productive and creative and add value to the collective instead of being this, you know, fear monger and living in this horrible place.
48:59
SPEAKER_00: It's like you get to choose.
49:01
SPEAKER_00: People don't understand.
49:02
SPEAKER_00: This is literally a choice.
49:03
SPEAKER_00: You get to choose.
49:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
49:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
49:05
SPEAKER_04: And it's that that survivalist mode of the subconscious mind.
49:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
49:09
SPEAKER_04: It's not there to make you happy and successful.
49:11
SPEAKER_04: It's surviving.
49:11
SPEAKER_04: You can survive in a two.
49:13
SPEAKER_04: You may not be able to survive at a ten.
49:15
SPEAKER_04: That's new and different.
49:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
49:17
SPEAKER_04: And so sometimes it may be the slow walk up the hill instead of taking your jet pack and getting to the top.
49:23
SPEAKER_04: It's all about, you know, how you're raised.
49:25
SPEAKER_04: Again, even in the same family.
49:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
49:27
SPEAKER_04: You may have true.
49:28
SPEAKER_00: I look at my siblings too, say very everyone's very different.
49:32
SPEAKER_04: Oldest child is going to experience the same family dynamics different than the youngest child.
49:37
SPEAKER_04: And so uh it's really about what is it that you need to create your best self?
49:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
49:44
SPEAKER_04: And there's all sorts of different I'm I'm not saying hypnotherapy is the be all end all.
49:48
SPEAKER_04: It's just what I use in my own life.
49:49
SPEAKER_04: And things that, you know, there's all sorts of issues uh um that can be uh helped uh quite successfully with EDMR, of course, and and uh talk therapy and all sorts of you know, any baseball player is gonna have a a running coach, a hitting coach, a throwing coach, a first base coach, a third base base coach, a physical therapist, a massage therapist, a nutritionalist, a general manager to do it.
50:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
50:14
SPEAKER_03: Takes a whole bit of it.
50:15
SPEAKER_04: All to get that player to the World Series.
50:18
SPEAKER_04: And so why not have that for your own life?
50:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
50:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
50:21
SPEAKER_00: What are what do people come to you most for?
50:23
SPEAKER_00: Or like maybe give me like the top list of things that you find yourself helping folks with.
50:29
SPEAKER_04: Trauma, anxiety, and anger.
50:30
SPEAKER_00: Trauma, anxiety, anger.
50:31
SPEAKER_04: And and as you can imagine, if since the last five, six years, that's that's been a lot on people's minds.
50:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the uh I I live live up in Flagstaff, Arizona.
50:43
SPEAKER_04: Um, and of course, you know, nowadays I work with people around the country and around the world.
50:47
SPEAKER_04: I've you know, uh strangely, you've worked with people.
50:50
SPEAKER_04: I was working with a professional basketball player in Iceland.
50:52
SPEAKER_04: He's in the European League.
50:54
SPEAKER_04: Um, now he's in France.
50:56
SPEAKER_04: But uh she just got a coaching gig in Kentucky.
50:59
SPEAKER_04: But um, you know, Iceland and Bulgaria and Tahiti and Costa Rica, all because of this extraordinary technology we have.
51:07
SPEAKER_04: But in terms of Flagstaff, it's a very athletic town.
51:10
SPEAKER_04: We're at 7,000 feet, so we're kind of like Denver, we're like um uh Colorado Springs, where the Olympic uh training center is.
51:18
SPEAKER_04: When that gets filled up, they all come to Flagstaff, and so we're a very healthy athletic town.
51:22
SPEAKER_04: So I don't do a lot of smoking cessation.
51:25
SPEAKER_04: I'm kind of that's not my my niche.
51:27
SPEAKER_04: I can help people with that.
51:28
SPEAKER_04: But it's people who finally get to a point where I've done the tongue therapy, I've done the EMR, there's something else, and the source code has not been, you know, looked at or healed or changed to the point where I feel better.
51:47
SPEAKER_04: And you know what the problem is.
51:48
SPEAKER_04: That's the that's the extraordinariness of this, of being a human being.
51:51
SPEAKER_04: You know what the problem is because you're trying to protect yourself with this specific thing, with these specific feelings and these specific situations.
51:59
SPEAKER_04: So you know why you're doing it, maybe not consciously, but with that 95% subconscious mind is trying to protect you and keep you safe, you know why you're doing this.
52:08
SPEAKER_04: And you know what to do about it.
52:10
SPEAKER_04: That's what's extraordinary about this.
52:12
SPEAKER_00: I look at I look at men in a certain age bracket, and every one of them that I know has this like base layer defensiveness, anger, right?
52:24
SPEAKER_00: And I've watched as men that I've worked with get rid of that, set that down with different different modalities, different different things that they work with to do that.
52:35
SPEAKER_00: And you can ask any one of them, and they will say they would never go back to being angry all the time.
52:40
SPEAKER_00: So if you're listening out there, or if you know someone that has so much anger that just constantly is running at that, that is not a way to live, you know, especially if it can be as simple as, which I believe that it can, uh, as simple as pulling out the five and putting in the four so that everything flows well.
52:59
SPEAKER_00: If you have five percent that you know and 95% that you don't, but we have the tools to be able to fix the 95, this is a no-brainer to me, you know.
53:08
SPEAKER_00: And again, I just think I think at whatever point in time there was this negative energy around people that were into self-improvement or you know, whatever there's kind of like that hesitation about it.
53:20
SPEAKER_00: Positive affirmation.
53:21
SPEAKER_00: Right, exactly.
53:22
SPEAKER_00: It's like, are you out of your mind?
53:23
SPEAKER_00: Like you'd rather you it's a choice, you know, you'd rather live a shittier life than live a better life because you can do some simple things that would change your life this week, right?
53:32
SPEAKER_00: Regardless of whether it takes more than one time or whatever it is, I'm assuming that you're pretty accessible because of the Zoom situation.
53:38
SPEAKER_00: And and you're not the only you know, magician that does stuff, right?
53:42
SPEAKER_00: I say magician because I'm a magician as well, as I work with people.
53:44
SPEAKER_00: It's like it's not magic, but it feels like magic when you get the results.
53:48
SPEAKER_00: Because for me, I look back at my life before I started my healing journey.
53:52
SPEAKER_00: You couldn't pay me to go back.
53:53
SPEAKER_00: And I thought I was living a good life back then.
53:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, but it's like you do, you have all of this stuff that was programmed that was handed to you before you even were even with it enough to realize it, and you're carrying all of that around.
54:05
SPEAKER_00: That's that invisible weight that I reference all the time.
54:08
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, boss, you don't have to set you don't have to carry that around.
54:11
SPEAKER_00: Set that stuff down.
54:12
SPEAKER_04: But their programming is they can't.
54:14
SPEAKER_04: I know they have to hold it for whatever reason as protection.
54:17
SPEAKER_00: I know.
54:17
SPEAKER_04: They have to armor themselves, and the nervous system gets so exhausted.
54:21
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so it it uh it's it's pretty extraordinary.
54:25
SPEAKER_04: And and in and of itself, um healing can happen in an instant.
54:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, just as trauma can happen in an instant, whether you're standing up in your crib and your father's screaming at you or a car accident or some other issue around trauma, it may take you know, over the course of years for that trauma and abuse to run itself out, but that protection and that hurt and that pain happens in an instant.
54:50
SPEAKER_04: Why wouldn't you be able to heal it in an instant?
54:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there may be some steps to getting to the point of dropping the bowling ball, but drop the weight.
55:00
SPEAKER_04: And and this is where you were just talking about this and and what you're saying about, especially men of a certain age.
55:05
SPEAKER_04: And I was working with somebody, and he was uh well is so, but he's retired, but a uh psychotherapist, master's degree in in psychotherapy, and he was doing some health issues, and he had this kind of team of different people, and he wanted to do hypnotherapy as well.
55:22
SPEAKER_04: And and part of that healing was the mental emotional side of it as well as the physical issues he was the illness he was going through.
55:31
SPEAKER_04: And I generally see people three or four times.
55:34
SPEAKER_04: That's it.
55:34
SPEAKER_04: Sure, you know, maybe one time, maybe two times, maybe seven or eight times.
55:39
SPEAKER_04: But generally, I see people three or four times.
55:41
SPEAKER_04: That's amazingly to kind of tell people look, we're not gonna be doing 80, 90 sessions over two years, like talk therapy again, very hopeful, very useful.
55:48
SPEAKER_04: But that's not what this is.
55:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but we kept going and going, and I kind of deferred to him, and maybe that was my mistake because I was just like, Well, he's a master's degree in psychotherapy, he knows what he's wanting, he's working with these other people.
55:59
SPEAKER_04: I'm just part of the team, I'm the third base coach.
56:01
SPEAKER_04: Right, and so I was kind of deferring to him, and it's like, okay, we keep working on this stuff and working on this stuff.
56:06
SPEAKER_04: And finally I got to think, I think we're this is a codependent relationship, and I'm this, I'm feeling not, I'm feeling off about this.
56:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I finally just had to have a phone conversation with him and say, look, I don't think this is right.
56:18
SPEAKER_04: I'm not feeling good.
56:19
SPEAKER_04: He's like, well, no, I think it's going great.
56:21
SPEAKER_04: And he said, and he's in his 70s because of a complex post-traumatic stress disorder he had gone through as a child.
56:29
SPEAKER_04: He said, I know this is gonna take years, if not decades, to fix.
56:34
SPEAKER_04: And I thought, oh, there it is.
56:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think this is gonna take months, if not weeks.
56:39
SPEAKER_04: He thinks that if we deal with this in 10 years, he's right on track.
56:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
56:43
SPEAKER_04: And we didn't align in terms of how we think healing should happen.
56:48
SPEAKER_04: He thinks because it took years and years of creating this complex post-trial stress disorder, which may be influencing the illness within his body on top of all the other therapy he's doing, it's going to take a decade, if not more, to heal all of it.
57:02
SPEAKER_04: And I'm thinking, why can't we just knock it?
57:05
SPEAKER_03: Do it now.
57:05
SPEAKER_04: We've worked together a bunch of times.
57:06
SPEAKER_04: Let's just knock this out.
57:09
SPEAKER_04: And and that was on me because I deferred to him instead of saying, okay, by the sixth or seventh session, saying, Okay, what's happening here?
57:16
SPEAKER_04: Right.
57:17
SPEAKER_04: This isn't going to say, no, we're we're slow dripping this like molasses.
57:21
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
57:21
SPEAKER_04: It's like, okay.
57:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, why would you do that though?
57:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
57:23
SPEAKER_00: Like that seems like that's a good thing.
57:25
SPEAKER_00: That's his world view.
57:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
57:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
57:27
SPEAKER_04: You know, and and that's that's it with some people.
57:30
SPEAKER_04: You know, I'm a smoker.
57:31
SPEAKER_04: Okay, well, then you're gonna smoke cigarettes until you decide you're a non-smoker.
57:34
SPEAKER_00: And then you continue to tell yourself the story over and over and over again that that builds that pattern for you that you believe that that's what it is, and it just doesn't have to be that way.
57:41
SPEAKER_00: So Craig, thank you so much for taking time today.
57:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, will you please share with our listeners how to find you?
57:47
SPEAKER_00: We'll also put you on our website so that they have the contact information, but please tell people how to find you or any questions that you want to say.
57:53
SPEAKER_04: Best way is just at the website releasethepast.com.
57:57
SPEAKER_04: And you find me there, I'm happy to talk with people.
57:59
SPEAKER_04: If you want to do a Zoom call and do a consultation about what you want to work on, we'll talk specifically about uh the issues you want to address, email whatever you'd like, and uh yeah, let's get to work.
58:09
SPEAKER_00: Awesome, awesome.
58:10
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Craig.
58:11
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate your time.
58:12
SPEAKER_00: Highly, highly, highly recommend.
58:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, that's our time for today.
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