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The Late Debate | 27 January · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately the general man, welcome to the late Base.
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  Speaker 2: It's great to have your company. Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight. Huge crowds q at Sydney's Botanic Gardens to
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  Speaker 2: get the smell of a new plant, not because of
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  Speaker 2: its fragrancy, but because it's quite putrid. We'll show you
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  Speaker 2: that a little later. Plus, when we look at what's
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  Speaker 2: making news tomorrow, the Courier Mail have an exclusive story
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  Speaker 2: about gender clinics prescribing puberty blockers for children without parental consent.
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  Speaker 2: That's a huge scandal brewing there. Will bring you that.
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  Speaker 2: Plus The Australian has a story about the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: of Fiji saying that Australia should not be blamed for
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  Speaker 2: climate change. All of that when we get to tomorrow's news.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to start by posing a question. Should
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  Speaker 2: clubs that exclude members of the opposite sex be allowed
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  Speaker 2: to operate in twenty twenty five or are they a
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  Speaker 2: relic of a bygone past that should be banned. That's
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  Speaker 2: a question being asked in Victoria at the moment after
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  Speaker 2: a woman was denied membership of the Sandringham Club. That's
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  Speaker 2: a club on Melbourne's Bayside. The club was established in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen twelve and it features an array of sporting facilities.
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  Speaker 2: We might be able to show you some of those.
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  Speaker 2: They've got tennis courts, bowling greens, cricket pitchers and golf courses.
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  Speaker 2: And while membership is open only to men, their families
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  Speaker 2: are allowed to join them on site. That, however, was
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  Speaker 2: not good enough for one Melbourne woman, who, after being
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  Speaker 2: denied membership, now insists these clubs should be banned. The problem,
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  Speaker 2: of course, is they're perfectly legal, as was pointed out
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  Speaker 2: by Monash University professor Dominic Allen. Professor Allen said it's
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  Speaker 2: unlawful to discriminate on the basis of sex under Victoria's
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  Speaker 2: anti discrimination laws in the provision of goods and services,
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  Speaker 2: but there's an exception in the legislation which means clubs
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  Speaker 2: can exclude members of the opposite sex from membership if
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  Speaker 2: membership of that club is only available to one sex. Now,
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  Speaker 2: interestingly enough, there are thirty clubs or around that number
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  Speaker 2: in Australia that offer membership only to one sex, and
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  Speaker 2: they include Sydney, Melbourne's Alexandra Club and Sydney's Lyceum Club,
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  Speaker 2: both of which are open only to women. Curiously enough,
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  Speaker 2: no one is asking for those clubs to be shut down.
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  Speaker 2: Victorian's Women's Minister, Natalie Hitchins, she got involved in this
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  Speaker 2: debate and she said that clubs like the Sandringham Club,
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  Speaker 2: which is for men only, have no place in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five. A relic from the past, she said, which
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  Speaker 2: always makes me curious when people think that by quoting
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  Speaker 2: the date they're making an argument, the fact that it's
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five has no bearing on whether something is
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  Speaker 2: moral or immoral. In fact, that's based on the rather
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  Speaker 2: modern conceit that somehow, because we're alive today, we are
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  Speaker 2: automatically more morally evolved than say, our grandparents, which isn't
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  Speaker 2: always the case and probably not the case in Natalie
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  Speaker 2: Hutchins instance. Here she is the women's Minister can't even
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  Speaker 2: define what a woman.
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  Speaker 3: Is because the quality is not negotiable here in Victoria's speaker,
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  Speaker 3: and the rights of trans Victorians is not negotiable here
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  Speaker 3: in Victoria. As Minister for Women, I proudly stand up
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  Speaker 3: for all women, that includes trans women.
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  Speaker 2: So a women's Minister Caleb, who proudly stands for all
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  Speaker 2: women that includes men who identify as women, should probably
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  Speaker 2: just sit this debate out as to whether sex exclusive
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  Speaker 2: clubs should or should not exist in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true.
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  Speaker 4: Counterpoint though, is that if she believes that men should
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  Speaker 4: be allowed into women's clubs, perhaps she also has a
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  Speaker 4: point saying that women should be allowed in the men's clubs,
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  Speaker 4: by which I mean the men being allowed at the
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  Speaker 4: women's clubs as those claiming they are women. But you
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  Speaker 4: pointed out before the Alexandra Club and the Lyceum Club,
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  Speaker 4: and there's a Lyceum Club in Sydney. There's also a
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  Speaker 4: Lyceum Club in Melbourne which is right next door to
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  Speaker 4: the Melbourne Club, right, so you know a couple can
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  Speaker 4: walk up and the man goes in that door and
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  Speaker 4: the woman goes in that door.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see what the problem is here.
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  Speaker 4: And this woman who tried to sign up to the
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  Speaker 4: Sandringham Club, I mean, how dopey do you have to
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  Speaker 4: be as a woman to try and sign up to
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  Speaker 4: a men's only club and then get outrage that they
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  Speaker 4: didn't accept.
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  Speaker 1: Your membership application.
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  Speaker 4: If you go on the Sandringham Club's website and click
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  Speaker 4: on the about section. The first thing it says Sandringham
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  Speaker 4: Club is a private men's sporting club, so she must
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  Speaker 4: she should have known that when she went to a plan.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. I can't believe they didn't let me in.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if we can't have men's only spaces, I've
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  Speaker 4: never heard of anyone say that we can't have women's
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  Speaker 4: only spaces. Apart from transgender activists of course, but no
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  Speaker 4: one ever says that we can't have the Alexandra Club,
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  Speaker 4: or we can't have the Lyceum Club. It's always we
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  Speaker 4: can't have the Adelaide Club, we can't have the Melbourne Club,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera, because it's all when men go
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  Speaker 4: and do things on.
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  Speaker 1: Their own that is bad. We must let women in there. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's up to the club.
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  Speaker 4: If the membership of the club says they want to
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  Speaker 4: let women in, that is their prerogative. If they don't
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  Speaker 4: want to let women in, that is their prerogative. Why
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  Speaker 4: as a man can I not have a space where
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  Speaker 4: I can go and hang out with other men without
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  Speaker 4: being bothered by women. I don't see what the problem is,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't see why women can't do the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: It's a quality of the story for all men's clubs
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  Speaker 5: is just ban women entirely.
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  Speaker 6: Look what happened. You gave them an inch this lady
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  Speaker 6: once a mile. Just ban them entirely.
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  Speaker 5: Make it an exclusively only men's club, because I swear
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  Speaker 5: for women like this.
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  Speaker 6: Can't believe this makes the news.
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  Speaker 5: One person finds something offensive these days, and oh it's
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  Speaker 5: front page news and let's write a whole article on it. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 5: it's just nothing from nobody from nowhere, being like, oh
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  Speaker 5: I found this offensive, and I'm just I just want
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  Speaker 5: everyone to know. If we just ignore these people, all
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  Speaker 5: these problems wouldn't exist. But okay, it's happened. So and
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  Speaker 5: so is upset. What do we do about it? I
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  Speaker 5: just reckon ban them entirely, because what a lot of
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  Speaker 5: women like this find far more offensive than a men's
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  Speaker 5: only space is those spaces.
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  Speaker 6: In which they can access, just like.
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  Speaker 5: The Australian Club, as long as they are accompanied by
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  Speaker 5: a man. A man has to get you in the door,
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  Speaker 5: and for certain women that is very triggering, which speaks
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  Speaker 5: to the fact that you don't have any man to
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  Speaker 5: get you in the door. Do you, because you're the
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  Speaker 5: exact kind of women that has driven men to make
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  Speaker 5: men's only spaces in the first place. So look, I
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  Speaker 5: think that is the moral of the story. These men's
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  Speaker 5: clubs need to go, oh, we've upset you.
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  Speaker 1: Let's double down.
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  Speaker 5: From now on, No women, under any circumstances can cross
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  Speaker 5: this hallowed ground. And I think society as a whole,
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  Speaker 5: whether it's women's spaces or men's only space, need to
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  Speaker 5: double down on this.
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  Speaker 6: I think we should have way more of them.
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  Speaker 5: Because in today's society where they are deriding everything feminine,
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  Speaker 5: everything exclusively female, and likewise for masculine everything, trying to
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  Speaker 5: convince us it's all just a spectrum. We're all, they them,
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  Speaker 5: It's just a hodgepodge of whatever, and you can switch
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  Speaker 5: depending on however you feel like it, and we're all.
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  Speaker 5: Equality isn't sameness, period, Tattoo that on your forehead. Equality
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  Speaker 5: isn't sameness. Men and women will never be equal in
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  Speaker 5: the sense of sameness.
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  Speaker 6: That is what they're trying to achieve.
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  Speaker 5: So anything like single sex spaces, which highlights our differences.
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  Speaker 5: Women love to get together and be women and talk
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  Speaker 5: about all the women and stuff that would make the
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  Speaker 5: men be like, oh dear God, why.
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  Speaker 6: And likewise I love it.
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  Speaker 5: It's a celebration of masculinity to just be like, here's
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  Speaker 5: where we smoke our cigars, we talk about manly things,
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  Speaker 5: we play the sports, we do, all the stuff that
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  Speaker 5: women aren't remotely interested in. I think we need more
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  Speaker 5: of them, because it thumbs. They flips the bird to
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  Speaker 5: this lefty Marxist idea.
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  Speaker 2: Of all, no, we're all the same, and so what
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  Speaker 2: do you say to the counterpoint? There was one university
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  Speaker 2: professor who said the problem with these men's clubs is
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  Speaker 2: that men sit down and they talk business my bed
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  Speaker 2: and they make deals, but the women aren't there. So
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  Speaker 2: women are excluded from you know, corporate Australia. Because these exclude.
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  Speaker 5: Why would these women agree with you us? I think
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  Speaker 5: about why would these women want to do business? Why
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  Speaker 5: would they want to be in the room doing business
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  Speaker 5: with men who would obviously rather do business with other men,
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  Speaker 5: not women.
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  Speaker 6: Like if if you've got a pile of men who
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  Speaker 6: are like, we'd rather do business with.
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  Speaker 5: Men, we choose to hang out at a men's only
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  Speaker 5: club and conduct our business here, what kind of stupid
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  Speaker 5: half wit woman is going to be like, well, I.
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  Speaker 6: Want their business and I want a seat at the table.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, you are exactly the kind of women men
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  Speaker 5: don't want to work with, and you're damaging our cause.
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  Speaker 1: Get out.
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  Speaker 4: And if you're going to have a business meeting at
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  Speaker 4: a men's club like the Melbourne Club or the Adelaide Club,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera, and it pertains to a deal that would
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  Speaker 4: involve a business woman, you can invite her into the
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  Speaker 4: club for the meeting. So there's no reason she can't
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  Speaker 4: go to business meetings. Just like if the CEO of
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  Speaker 4: Quantis these days is a woman. I mean, what if
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  Speaker 4: she goes down to the Lyceum Club in Melbourne and
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  Speaker 4: starts doing business deals in there with other women?
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  Speaker 1: Why can't I get it on that?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, she could just invite a man in if he
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  Speaker 4: had to go to the meeting for heaven say, and
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  Speaker 4: Mac showed you before Natalie Hutchins, the Minister for Women
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  Speaker 4: in Victoria, she doesn't know what a woman is.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you who else does know what a woman is.
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  Speaker 4: The police in the UK, in fact, probably the police everywhere,
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  Speaker 4: but the police in the UK have been dumb enough
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  Speaker 4: to actually write it down and put out a Handbook
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  Speaker 4: to all the coppers the plods over there, saying this
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  Speaker 4: is how you must now speak about everything, and they
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  Speaker 4: go into all sorts of nonsense about you know, there's
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  Speaker 4: no such thing as there being only two genders. Gender
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  Speaker 4: is a social construct. There's much more than male and female,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera. But it gets even worse. You can no
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  Speaker 4: longer say if you are a Bobby in the UK.
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  Speaker 4: You can't say black sheep. You can't say blacklisted. You
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  Speaker 4: can't say something's got a black mark on it, because
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  Speaker 4: it suggests that black is bad, and therefore that is racist.
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  Speaker 1: This is directly out of the handbook.
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  Speaker 4: It's is don't say any expression that uses black in
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  Speaker 4: a negative way, for example, black sheep, blacklisted, or black mark. Now,
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  Speaker 4: as far as I'm aware, there's no racial connotation to
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  Speaker 4: the use of.
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  Speaker 1: Black in that circumstance. It refers to death, etc.
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  Speaker 4: Which comes to all of us regardless of race. So
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  Speaker 4: I don't really see what the issue is. There. Can't
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  Speaker 4: call depression the black dog anymore. In fact, black dogs
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  Speaker 4: all have to be killed now because it is racist to.
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  Speaker 1: Even acknowledge that they exist. I mean black cats.
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  Speaker 4: Remember, you can't have a black cat walk under a
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  Speaker 4: ladder because it's bad luck.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to kill all the black cats now work. No,
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  Speaker 1: don't you dare do that, because that's discriminatory against the
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  Speaker 1: short blacks as well. That you could also order one
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  Speaker 1: of those if you go into a cabe.
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  Speaker 4: The handbook goes on, well, many people who are pregnant
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  Speaker 4: or have given birth identify as women. There are some
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  Speaker 4: non binary, trans and intersects. People who do not identify
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  Speaker 4: as women, and who may be.
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  Speaker 1: Pregnant and give birth.
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  Speaker 4: Try to use gender neutral language such as pregnant person
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  Speaker 4: or expectant parent where possible. And then it gives possibly
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  Speaker 4: the most common sense thing in this entire thing.
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  Speaker 1: Never ask someone if they are pregnant.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure how that relates to the paragraph
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  Speaker 4: before it.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was just common sense.
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  Speaker 4: If you don't want to get yourself in trouble with
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  Speaker 4: a woman who's put on a few kilos, don't ask
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  Speaker 4: her if.
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  Speaker 1: She is pregnant. The thing goes on.
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  Speaker 4: It says some there's a difference between non racist and
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  Speaker 4: anti racist, and the police, for some reason or another,
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  Speaker 4: need to acquaint themselves with the definition of those two terms.
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  Speaker 4: It talks about white frigility, which is apparently when white
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  Speaker 4: people don't want to hear that racism exists. I would
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  Speaker 4: have thought suggesting that that was exclusive to white people
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  Speaker 4: is in and of itself racist. It says don't generalize
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  Speaker 4: about people. For instance, as an example, saying that older
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  Speaker 4: people are boring and grumpy, or that women in their
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  Speaker 4: fifties are men a pausal. I'm not entirely sure what
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  Speaker 4: that has to do with policing. I didn't know the
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  Speaker 4: coppers were walking around sizing up fifty year old She
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  Speaker 4: did that because she's mean a pausal. It also says
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  Speaker 4: not to refer to mature adults, because that would be
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  Speaker 4: to suggest that a younger person couldn't be mature.
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  Speaker 1: But of course you would use maturer adults where you.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't want to call someone old because you thought that
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  Speaker 4: might be offensive. So the long and short of it is,
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  Speaker 4: there's nothing you can say anymore if you're a policeman
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  Speaker 4: in Britain, I mean police person or police stay then.
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  Speaker 2: And also, for the long and short of it, I
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  Speaker 2: found you are very good, very good, But.
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  Speaker 4: I mean this is utterly absurd. I mean, imagine you've
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  Speaker 4: signed up to be a copper and you thought, okay,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to stop some crimes, and then they lobb
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  Speaker 4: this handbook in front of you, telling you you can't
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  Speaker 4: say that someone's got a black mark on them because
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  Speaker 4: it's racist.
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  Speaker 2: The bad news is there's a lot of knife crime
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  Speaker 2: in the UK. The good news, though it's hurty, words
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  Speaker 2: are not in use anymore. I would have thought police
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  Speaker 2: have a lot more important things to do. But this
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  Speaker 2: advice caleberin Liz, I would have thought is racist in
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  Speaker 2: and of itself because it implies that black people are stupid,
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  Speaker 2: in that black people can't differentiate between a racial slur
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  Speaker 2: and a perfectly innocuous mark such as this person has
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  Speaker 2: been blacklisted. It implies that black people are emotionally fragile,
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  Speaker 2: that they're going to get triggered at the first word
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  Speaker 2: that implies anything about them, and that they're easily offended.
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  Speaker 2: And it's also racist because no one's banning things like
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  Speaker 2: whitewashing or white board those things about we know the
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  Speaker 2: difference between a racial slur and that because we're white,
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  Speaker 2: the inference being we're more intelligent, and of course worse
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  Speaker 2: than being insulting to black people, it's just downright dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: The UK is in the middle right now of trying
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  Speaker 2: to unpick this grooming gang scandal where Muslim men predominantly
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  Speaker 2: from Pakistan, over a period of a decade, raped thousands
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  Speaker 2: and thousands of young girls and it was allowed to
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  Speaker 2: happen primarily because police and government officials were so afraid
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  Speaker 2: of offending people of a different race that they talked
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  Speaker 2: in vagaries about these crimes rather than got specific about
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  Speaker 2: them and the rest of the perpetrators. So this is
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  Speaker 2: the last sort of advice that police in the UK
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  Speaker 2: should be worrying about.
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  Speaker 5: And certainly should make it into the news. Right now,
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  Speaker 5: the UK is a tinder box when it comes to
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  Speaker 5: racial tension. They've had one too many terrorist attacks and yes,
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  Speaker 5: the latest being these Pakistani grooming gangs, where it has
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  Speaker 5: been shown that people that the community is told to trust,
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  Speaker 5: these very policemen, care more about being accused of racism
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  Speaker 5: than protecting vulnerable British natives in their country girls from
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  Speaker 5: these Pakistani grooming gangs. This is, like I say, worse
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  Speaker 5: than tone deaf. If I was in the UK, I
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  Speaker 5: think this might be my dipping point because the fact
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  Speaker 5: that they are still paying attention to this, putting this
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  Speaker 5: out in their guidelines, pouring over their handbooks, does my
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  Speaker 5: head in You guys have far worse problems. Do your
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: jobs for crying out loud. But as a wider issue,
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  Speaker 5: what really boils my brains about issues like this is.
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  Speaker 6: The same people who laugh.
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  Speaker 5: At measures like this and just be like, this is
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  Speaker 5: so ridiculous, I pose it are the same people who
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  Speaker 5: do advocate for hate speech laws if and when it
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  Speaker 5: suits them. You can't have it both ways. If you
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  Speaker 5: are going to concede worse, legislate that words are hurty,
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  Speaker 5: some of them too hurty to be used, some of
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  Speaker 5: them must be eradicated all together, then you are going
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  Speaker 5: to end up with this because once you have ceeded
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  Speaker 5: that ground, you have ceded that ground to people who
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  Speaker 5: are then in charge of deciding which words are hurty,
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  Speaker 5: which words are classified as hate speech, and therefore can
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  Speaker 5: be wiped off the entire societies lexicon. So just remember
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  Speaker 5: next time you're like, yes.
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  Speaker 6: Well, actually I think it should be illegal to say
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  Speaker 6: this or this.
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  Speaker 5: Because cancel culture is siding with your opinion on one
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  Speaker 5: very rare day. If you're a conservative, then just remember
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  Speaker 5: you're seeding ground to that very same side.
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  Speaker 6: Who are like well, marvelous hate speech laws. This is bad,
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  Speaker 6: this is banned.
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  Speaker 5: But speaking of institutionalized hate speech laws and banning this
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  Speaker 5: and we kind of information all, especially on the socials,
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  Speaker 5: Guess what the EU have done. I know you're not
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  Speaker 5: not expecting anything good to come out of that parliament
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  Speaker 5: anytime soon.
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  Speaker 6: No one's holding their breath.
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  Speaker 5: But goodness me, they have doubled down on laws that
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  Speaker 5: were introduced last year.
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  Speaker 6: It's called the Digital Services Act.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: Came into force last year and it's only twenty twenty five,
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: but they've already decided to make it worse. Here are
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: there renewed guidelines under this revised code that they've come
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: up with regarding who can post what on social media
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: platforms and how they are to be censored under the
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: revised code. Companies these are the platforms like X like
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: Meta that are signed up must allow a network of
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: monitoring reporters that are nonprofit or public entities with expertise
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: on illegal hate speech.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: Is that opposed to legal legal speech.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Even legal guys, to regularly monitor how the signatrees these
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: platforms are reviewing hate speech notices. They will have to
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: review at least two thirds of h speech notices. Received
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: from monitoring reporters within twenty four hours. No, there's no
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: speaking to the magnitude within twenty four hours. Any platform
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: could receive one thousand, five thousand, one hundred thousand, and
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: they're expected to address over two thirds of those within
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: twenty four hours. And now the EU has ensured that
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: this process is being monitored. So any platforms that have
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: signed up to this, and they all have by the way,
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: they're forced to if they want their platforms to be
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: operational in Europe. So they all have X meta, you
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: name it. They've signed up. They want to be operational
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: across Europe. Now the EUS like, ea, EA, you signed
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: up on it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: We don't trust you. Now we've got these extra layer.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: To ensure that not only are you doing it, but
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: you're doing it in a timely fashion. And to us,
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: timely fashion is addressing two thirds of any number of
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: complaints within the last twenty four hours. It is utterly
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: ludicrous and it's just bald place censuship. I mean, this
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: is not just hate speech. This is anything that they
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: deem disinformation.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: Don't we love that word. It just keeps popping up.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: So one of these not for profits that will be
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: monitoring our tweets for disinformation is Amnesty International. So they
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: have been nominated by the EU to go through our
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Twitter feeds and make sure it's all you know, true
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: and correct. This is an organization that tweeted in twenty
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: twenty two that abortion is a human right. Amnesty International
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: can tweet that, so you get no idea of maybe
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: their bias. When reading your.
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: I can tell you a lot more about a speech.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, they tweeted non binary rights human rights.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I would have thought non binary people have human rights.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: It's a bit of a nonsense. And in last year,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: in April ten, Amnesty International made a big deal about
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: a terrorist leader responsible for the death of an Israeli
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: nineteen year old who was abducted, held for ransom, then
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: when he wasn't ransomed by the Israeli government, he was tortured,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: sexually assaulted, he was castrated, his eyes were gouged out.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Then he was shot dead and the terrorist leader who
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: was responsible for that died in an Israeli prison. An
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Amnesty International called that an example of Israeli cruelty that
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: they allowed this man to die in prison. And this
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: is the organization at the EU. They're so concerned about
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: this information, they've put Amnesty International as one of the
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: key umpires of people's social media posts. Who will Amnesty
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: International answer to and how will they define aid speak
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: subs information according to their worldview, which, as you can see,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: is i'd say pretty different to ours and most of
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the people watching tonight.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Well, well, if it's up to Amnesty International, I mean,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: if you said Jewish women should should not be raped
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: and taken hostage on over the seventh twenty twenty three,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: they'd say that was hate speech, given the way they
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: carry on, And it's much like they are being forced
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: into a position that social media companies for a while
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: put themselves in them. And you think of here in Australia,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Facebook was signed up with the RMT fact check right,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: and we know, particularly during the Voice debate, what was
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: going on there where they were claiming that whatever the
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: nose side of the campaign said about the campaign was
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: somehow disinformation, and so Facebook was censoring that because it
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: was either wrong or it was hate speech.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Et cetera.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: But anything that was of the Yes campaign just got
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: a green flag. There was no problem there whatsoever. So
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: the social media companies had actually tried this out before
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: and it didn't work. They got rid of it. Facebook
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: got rid of r MIT fact Check. The ABC used
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: to have an association with rimat fact Check. They've also
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: stopped that because they've worked out that this stuff doesn't work,
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: because these people just have a bent that they keep
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: trying to put forward. And so the EU has gone fantastic.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: They tried it for themselves and it didn't work, So
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: now we're going to make it law.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: How much better could it get?
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: And see, it's no different from what was suggested here
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: in Australia, which was a misinformation Disinformation Czar or whatever
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: it was going to be down at AKMA, the Communications
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: and Media Authority, which would have done exactly the same thing,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: but just at a governmental level. The EU now gets
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: to say, well, this is not happening as a tool
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: of the governor. We've got nonprofits coming in to do
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: it for us. Who do you think they choose the
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: people who agree with them, and the idea that they
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: have to assess all of the complaints within a twenty
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: four hour time frame. If I decide now that I've
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: got a particular bent against X, an X would be
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: the most likely one to face this kind of thing
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: given at c Elon Musk running the show. We just
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: get a campaign of people together to just report every
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: post as a piece of hate speech. I mean by law,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: they are forced to assist them within twenty four hours.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: Tell me how then the EU would say, oh, this
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: isn't happening, We'll have to take over this function.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: Ladies and gentlemen. We gave them a chance. It's not working.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: I also don't think it's coincidental that these kind of
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: measures we just finished talking about the UK police they
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: can't even mention blackmail, black this, black anything that these
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: kinds of institutionalizing thou shalt not say fill in the
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: blank is rife in the UK and in Europe. Why
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: because these are countries that are being absolutely pummeled with immigration,
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: whether illegal or illegal, and that is going to result
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: in people noticing and writing things, inventing online as they
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: can and should be able to on their socials. But no, no,
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: we're going to call that hate speech. We're going to
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: take you're just noticing something. You don't even have to
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: be derogatory about it. You're just noticing something, and we're
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: going to make sure you don't dare mention it because
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: we are doing this, We are orchestrating the takeover in
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: your own countries, this invasion by design. But hey, we
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: don't want you guys talking about it and actually finding
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: each other getting together and going, hey, what can be
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: done to keep my country my country?
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: And the clue is when officials start banning things like hate,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: which is an emotion. One of the EU officials said
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: there's no place for hate online or offline in Europe. Well,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the definition of what hate is, of course, is in
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the eye of the beholder, and typically that means government
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: will decide what they want to be said and everything
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: else is banned. But it just gets better and better
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: in Europe, of course, where they keep cracking down on
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: free speech. Open borders continue to be propagated. But there's
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: a new sheriff in town, and that's Donald Trump. Three
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: days into his presidency, he addressed the meeting and your
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: meeting in Davos of the World Economic Forum. I just
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: imagine all the World Economic Forum people. They're gritting their
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: teeth as Trump is beamed in on the big screen.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: And Donald Trump did not hold back. He got stuck
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: into the Biden administration, calling them a totally inept group
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of people, which is just beautiful because people like John Kerry,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: the Democrat, would have been sitting there in Davos listening
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: to all of this, trying to maintain a smile. Donald
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Trump said that America is open for business, and then
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: he had this to say about the Green scheme, so
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: loved by all of those pushing for globalization, especially those
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: in the World Economic Forum have listened.
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: I terminated the ridiculous and incredibly wasteful Green New Deal,
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: like all it the Green New scam, withdrew from the
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: one sided Paris Climate Accord, and ended the insane and
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: costly electric vehicle mendad.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I mean kind of this disrupts everything. Right. Everybody at
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the World Economic Forum is all about globalization, what they
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: call it, the rules based international order. And in comes
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, who says America first, if you want to
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: do business with us, great, If you don't, you're prerogative.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: But we're not going to play nice guy and be
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: rolled over anymore. We're going to stand up for what's
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: best for us. And they've got four years of this.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, you love the balls on the guy, don't you.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: He just rocks up and says Look, this is how
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: it's going to be. I don't care if you're not
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: on board.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Get stuffed, which is exactly what Harvey and Malay did
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: last year.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: He was elected over in Argentina, and you look at
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Malay's track records since he went over there and basically said,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: everything is stuffed. I'm just going to completely rejig Argentina
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: and we'll see what happens.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Well, it's worked. He's backed it up.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: And that's what Donald Trump now has to do and
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: he will do. He goes and tells these people this
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: is how things are going to run. And then in
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: four years time when he walks away, everyone at the
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: World Economic Forum will have to look even if they
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: can't outwardly say it because we can't admit that we
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: were wrong, but they will have to look at what
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump has done during his term and but grudgingly
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: admit that, yes, he was right. They'll never say it,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: but they'll have to think it.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: And that's the.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Best part of it is that he can go in
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: there and say, look, I know you're wrong.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I'm going to show you that you're wrong, but you
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: won't be man enough.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: I'm mad enough to come and talk to you and
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: tell you how I see the world and that I
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: think you're wrong. But you'll never be man enough to
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: tell me that I'm wrong. You know why, because he
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: won't be.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: He won't be.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: He's taking them on. He's taking them on at the WEF.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: He's taking them on in America, and much like the
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: leadership you've seen from Donald Trump before he became president,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: since November, the way he's changed the culture in the US.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: We just have to hope that this flows on elsewhere
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: and changes in countries like Australia and the UK, etc.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: That's how you bring down a big thing like the
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: world economics. We can't bring him down, but you know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: try to counter the world economics.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: Oh, they will just buy their time. They know what
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: to expect because it happened the first time, and they
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: have been dreading this for the previous four years under Biden.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: They've been talking about the possibility, especially once he announced. Obviously,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: they were quaking in their boots. In this time round
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty five in DeVos, they've at least admitted, well, yeah, sure,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: we hate him, but Trump's one.
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: And that means we at the WEF we've lost.
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: Trump has done something no person in the world has
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: ever done before. A dead band, a dead politician has
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: risen somebody who the year were four years ago at
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: the US he's buried dead politically known to me, he's
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: now returned. This is the greatest comeback in political history
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: of a politician. And then therefore he thinks he can
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: do anything.
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: We need to also factor in not only who's one,
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: which is Trump, but whose loss.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Which is to say US, And I guess.
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: I would add throw into that that the epitome of
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: the US who is losing here is Europe?
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: Really did he become Europe's president? I miss that?
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: But there they are, these world leaders, these elites that
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: get together and shoulder rub every year to make our
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: lives miserable worldwide. I'm just like, oh, big dog Energy's
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: back in the White House. How are we going to
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: pull this off anymore? But check out this guy. His
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: name's Larry Fink. He's the CEO of Black Rock because
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: they couldn't just name the thing evil af And he's
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: got this fascinating take on AI that I'd never entertained before.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Here he is speaking to Davos saying, essentially, these countries
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: who are very tight immigration policies. They're very nationalistic. They
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: don't let in huge wads of people from all over
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: the world preaching to their people, say, oh, we've got
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: to do it for GDP, we've got to do it
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: for growth, we've got to do it for all these
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: hair brained reasons. No, they are passionate about keeping their
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: country exactly as it is. They're very nationalistic, they're very prideful.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: He's saying AI is going to work a treat for
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: these people because governments who have implemented those policies once
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: they have AI, which can do one hundred people's jobs.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Just one computer doing one hundred people's jobs around the
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: clock doesn't need to sleep or eat well that whole
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: but we need it for manpower.
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: Argument is going to go out the window.
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: In my conversations with the leadership of these large developed
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: countries that have xenophobic immigration policies. It'll allow anybody to
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: come in, shrinking unemployment, excuse me, tricky demographics. These countries
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: will rapidly develop robotics in AI and technology. And if
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: the promise I didn't say it's going to happen, but
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: as a promise of all that transforms productivity, which most
• 30:55
  Speaker 9: of us think it will. We'll be able to elevate
• 30:58
  Speaker 9: the standard of living countries and the standard of living
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: of individuals even with shrinking populations. And so the paradigm
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: of negative population growth is going to be changing, and
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: the social problems that one will have in substituting humans
• 31:17
  Speaker 9: for machines is going to be far easier in those
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: countries that have declining populations.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Well well, well, I love how we call nationalist countries,
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: which is an awesome thing. In my opinion, I think
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: every country should be nationalists. I think every country should
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: be filling the blank First, when did it become a
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: sin to stand up for your own interests? For crying
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: out loud? Love that he calls them xenophobic countries?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Like how dare they?
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: But I'd never thought of this take on AI before, right,
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: because this is what the Australian government certainly preaches to us,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: and we're just having big Australia foisted on us. None
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: of us voted for this, but we wake up in
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: a country every day now we're only a third of
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: us born here, Like, how do we end up here?
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: How did this happen?
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: But to our government has always preached to us, Oh,
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: we've got to do this.
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: It's for growth, it's all about GD But most.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Australians don't even know what gross domestic product is, but
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: that this is what they water board the public with
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: and say, look, we have no other choice. We've got
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: to do this. Once AI gets kicking, that's simply going
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: to go out the window, unless you're talking about tradees,
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: because I think it's.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: Going to take her while before AI can build your house.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: So he's saying countries like Japan that are wealthy countries,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: highly developed countries, they've got a declining population, but they're
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: going to be okay because AI will mean they don't
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: need to import labor force, computers will do it. On
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the other hand, those countries that have been listening to
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: people like him in the World Forum and have gone
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: for diversity and important huge numbers of people, they're going
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: to not only have problems with social cohesion, but when
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: AI comes in, they're going to have millions of migrants
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: have imported who no longer have jobs to do. So
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: they've got social cohesion problems and they're going to have
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: massive economic problems and what to do with all these
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: people who no longer have jobs?
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Correctamen and I do wonder the argument makes sense, but
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: there is a point at which AI can go too far.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: And I get the idea that AI can replace potentially
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: a lot of office jobs and menial types of work,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: but there is a point where it puts too many
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: people out of work. Even in those countries where they
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: have type immigration policies, potentially you could have so many
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: people out of work that you just can't cope with it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, you can't possibly have everyone in the country
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: building houses, because if your popularity, your popularity, your population
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: is declining, then you've got no one to build the
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: houses for, right That's the only work that will be
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: left over, potentially is physical labor of some description. So
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: I buy the argument, and I get the argument, and
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: I think that's fine as long as as we know
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: at which point to stop AI from taking everyone's job away.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: If it own, if it means that you don't need
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: to bring in extra people to service the population, great
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: that makes sense. But if it goes too far and
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: you end up replacing the jobs of the people who
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: are already there, then yes, you're going to end up
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: in a lot of trouble. And of course we talked
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: about Donald Trump before and his power being able to
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: go to the WEF and tell him exactly what he thinks.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: How's this for Donald Trump exerting a bit of power.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Of course, he said, first day back in the job,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: as present, we will have mass deportation, and he is
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: delivering on that promise. They sent two planeloads of illegal
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: margrants back to Colombia. Now, when the plane's got to Columbia,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: the president said, no, we're not taking them.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: You can't do this.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: So Donald Trump got on social media and said, well,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: I know what I'm going to do about that. I'm
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: going to whack on you a twenty five percent tariff,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: which within a week will be fifty percent. Anything that
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Columbia imports into the United States. I'm assuming HIPT cocaine
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: because that comes in away from taxation, et cetera.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: We'll have a fifty percent teriff on it.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: And so within two hours, the president of Columbia changed
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: his tune and said, actually, yes, you can deport the
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: illegals back to Colombia. I'll even send my own presidential
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: plane to collect them for you. I mean, you talk
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: about the big dog energy of Donald Trump, this is
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: it or it large he's gone not having it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: He may just have to fall off.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: It has got to be the shortest trade war in
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: three of the universe. He never actually got to take place.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: So first Donald Trump said, I'll start out with a
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: twenty five percent tariff all the goods that you sent us.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: But within a week it's going to go to fifty percent.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: And not only did the President fold and be like, okay, okay, okay,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: we'll take them, he then shared on here his own
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: social media that he was you he was offering his
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: own presidential plane to help ferry these criminals out of
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: USA and back into Columbia.
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: What a win.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: Trump's been very firm on this and saying, hey, look.
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: We want to be friends with all our neighbors.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: We're a very friendly country here, but friends don't leave
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: each other's rubbish in.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: Each other's backyards, and you only take your criminals back.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Don't you wish that we had something similar here in Australia.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: How many times have we talked about these detainees, etc.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: And so on, those who have re offended, those who
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: should have never been here in the first place. But
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Australia's just like, oh, well, what can we do We've got.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: To keep him.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: He's just like mate, by the jet load. We are
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: sending your back and.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: You only had to do this once. He's made an
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: example of Columbia. Every other South American country will have
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: taken note, and I suggest he probably won't have any
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: more problems. Good to see a present actually take action too.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden would have had to go on a trip
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: to the beach, take a nap, consulted committee before he
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: would have done anything about this. We're going to go
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: to a break. When we come back, look at what's
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: making news tomorrow, including an exclusive in the Career Mail
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: about Queensland children being prescribed puberty blockers without parental consent.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: All of that in just a moment. Welcome back. Let's
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: take a look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: The Career Mail has a front page exclusive. I should
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: point out there's a cyclone bearing down on North Queensland,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: but there's about to be a cyclone hit promoters of
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: gender ideology in Queensland. With this exclusive, clinic gave kids
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: puberty blockers without parents consent. Children's gender scandal, reads the headline.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: The article says Queensland kids as young as twelve have
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: been prescribed puberty blockers and gender affirming hormones without proper
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: medical support and parental consent. The Chrisofoley government has been
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: rocked by explosive claims that rogue gender services have been
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: operating in Cans, with Queensland Health now launching an independent inquiry.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: The article goes on to suggest that the can Sexual
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Health Service has apparently delivered unauthorized gender care gender care,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: gender service to about forty two children, as I said,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: without proper medical supervision or parental consent. Now, of course,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: here in Australia, our politicians have resisted calls for an
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: inquiry into the way kids with.
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: Five times five times.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson five times, as Liz says, has called for
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: such an inquiry, and our politicians have been completely incurious
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: about what we're doing with kids. Just maybe this is
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the tipping point that might arouse the curiosity of some
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: of our politicians who think maybe we should take an
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: interest in how our kids are being.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to arouse anything for years now.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: Remember it was twenty twenty three when doctor Gillian Spencer a.
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: Child syke in Queensland.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: There's been a concentration of Queensland doctors, pediatricians and child sikes,
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: like doctor Gillian Spencer, who tried to speak out about
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: this specific in Queensland, saying, these guys are just running
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: a mark up here. We cannot back this gender affirming
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: care that's going on and they knew, so.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: That's my point. This isn't going through. Oh yeah, maybe
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: we'll finally get action. They've known for years.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Doctor Gillian Spencer was stilled down in twenty twenty three.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: I've lost counter the amount of articles where Queensland has
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: specifically will like cut this out and they were either
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: stood down or penalized in other ways. That is how
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: absolutely militant certain people are about driving this agenda. And
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: like I say, five times, not once, not twice, not
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: a third time, Senator Pauline Hanson has just tried to
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: get up an inquiry.
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: It's not like.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to pass a bill to ban gender affirm No,
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: She's simply said I want an inquiry into this, especially
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: since the CAST report in the UK where they.
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: Banned this treatment.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: Nobody's getting puberty blockers anymore because had massive issues, rendering
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: some kids infertile for the rest of their lives had
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: bone density issues, you name it, it's got it. They
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: banned it nationwide. Can I just get an inquiry into this?
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: And the powers that be, those evil, evil individuals said
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: no five times five times, So no, I don't think we're.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Going to get any action on this.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: It wouldn't matter what the headline was, they will do nothing.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: But this is the thing, bugg of the inquiry. The
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: inquiries have already been done.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Overseas exactly know what's going on.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Just skip to the part where we scrap it Like
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: this shouldn't even be a discussion that we are having tonight.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: We shouldn't then be waking up tomorrow to hear politicians saying, oh,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: we're going to look into this and something has to
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: be done. Just do it, Just do it like they
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: could have done it years ago. The Cash report, as
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: you said, the NHS scrapped it, the Tavistock clinic shut down.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: The UK has been through all of this, and Australia
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: is so far behind the rest of the world. The US,
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: I mean in New York Times, for heaven's sake, is
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: publishing stories now about people who regret having transition when
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: they were children that would not have happened.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Five years ago.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: The culture, the talking points have changed so much overseas,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: and yet here in Australia we're in exactly the same
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: place we have been for years. Just do something about
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: it and stop it.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: It's like we're back in pandemic days. The science changes
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: depending on which state you're in, sometimes which city you're in.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Certainly which country you're in, the science is totally different.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: So in the UK it's banned, it's evil and they
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: know it. But apparently here in Australia we don't even
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: want to know their science, and we certainly don't know ours.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: We're just determined to push an ideology on innocent children.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: To the front page of the Townsville Bulletin, Now electricity
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: meters ripoff Queenslanders.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: Oh, Queensland heavy.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: New electricity meters being rapidly rolled out. In the bush's slash,
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: carbon emissions are quote enabling a ripoff end quote according
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: to an economics professor that Federal Labor appointed to the
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Climate Change Authority, University of Queensland's John's Quiggin told the
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: bullet In, many households with smart meters had been moved
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: to demand tariff power plans that were just crazy.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: Wait a minute, so we've actually.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: Got these being rolled out which are ripping off Queenslanders
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: like you wouldn't believe it. It's being done at the
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: state's behest, of course, as everything is being done, and
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Queenslanders already have the most expensive power prices in the nation.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: It's been that way for I think well over a
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: year at this point, and now they're finding out that
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: the state is just like, look, while we're ripping.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: You off, let's just make it worse.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: And it's not small. It's, according to the towns Or
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: bullet In, an extra eight hundred dollars a year on
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: top of people's energy prices because of what the government
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: is doing, supposedly to help them. What's that old thing government?
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Everything they touched, they make it worse? Was it wrong?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Who says are the worst words you can hear in
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: your life after from the.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Government here to help, which which Kevin rad Than reappropriated to.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm Kevin from Queensland and I'm.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Here to help them when we're on about having a
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: nice Bova with your cup of tea that night when
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: he became PM two. But it's it is ridiculous that
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: they create this system. Well, we know why they've created
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: the system, because you know, it allows them to interfere with.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Your air conditioners.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: They can turn it down when they're worried that the
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: electricity is going to be turned off because there's not
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: enough power to go around, et cetera. But they have
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: a system that they say, well, this will be good
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: because we know exactly at what times you're using power,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: et cetera. So you know, we can offer you a
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: discounted rate during the day when people are less.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Likely to be using power.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: So you should run your dishwasher and your washing machine,
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: et cetera. Then, but of course it also means that
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: they know when you're using power at night. So you
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: go on this deal which they have sold to you
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: is great, great, great, You'll get cheap power during the
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: day and then at night they're just jacking it up
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: to high heaven and pretending it was a good deal.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Let's go to the Australian where it says AI and
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: g hotpot falls quiet on China.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I wonder why China's answer to chat.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: GPT has plenty to say about Australia, labeling it's human
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: rights record a mixed picture and the national holiday deeply divisive,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: but it draws blanks when asked about the ti Anaman
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Square massacre in nineteen eighty nine, Jijingping, the Cultural Revolution,
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: or China's own record.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: On human rights. Gee, I wonder why that might be
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: a So.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: If you ask, what's this thing called deep seek? If
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: you ask it about Donald Trump, or about Anthey Albanesi
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: or Peter Dutton, it will give you an opinion. If
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: you ask it about Xijingping, it says, can we change
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the subject or talk about something else. So it just
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: goes to show everyone in China is scared of the
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: authoritarian leader. Even Ai is too scared to talk about him.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: So you say divisive device division yep, yep, okay.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Well have you kel not on this one? I think
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: both are okay, but I'll take this goes.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: To show why Trump's pursuit of pre eminence in Ai
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: is so important, correct, because if China dominate, then it
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: allows them to set the narrative for the whole world,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: which cannot be allowed.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: That's why the race, that's what TikTok's for, they've already done.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: It's maked into the next gener race.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: Have Ai and it'll all be over, including those jobs.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Apparently another story very quickly before we go to the break.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Pacific dose of green clarity for gen. Prime Minister Civitenni
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Rabuka has rejected claims by fellow Pacific leaders that their
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: countries are being endangered by Australia's hypocritical expansion of gas
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: and coal production, declaring we should not blame Australia for
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: climate change, and he said that the transition to green
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: energy must walk apace with development and affordability.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Someone actually making sense and saying, no, the little country
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: with twenty seven million people is not the reason that
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: you're supposedly going to end up underwater.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I can't believe he's actually covering a.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: Sort After Trump pulled out of the Paris Accords, all
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: these islander nations would be like, well, that's it, We're sunk.
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: Where done, It's over. Like why at.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: This point would you ever berate Australia ever again.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: That the problem is the Albanizer government will jump on
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: this and say, see, we're not responsible. But the Albaniza
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: government are excited because they want to host COP thirty one.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And one of the contentions is that Australia is not
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: a good citizen. This will be proof that we are.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Therefore we can host COP thirty one, which will just
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: cost us a whole lot more money in climate change
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: mitigation costs. Anyway, we're going to go to a break
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: when we come back. Lots of people lining up at
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Sydney's Botanic gardens to smell a flower. Not because the
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: fragrance is nice. It's futrid and people want to whiff
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: that's coming up at.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: This a moment.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back. Well, huge crowds queuing out the botanic
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: gardens to smell the flowers. But Caleb, this is slightly
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: different kind of smell.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Indeed, there is a big stink in Sydney, and I
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: can report it is not James McPherson. That's just localized
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: to mcquarie Park and this studio here at the Lake Debate,
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: but the titan Arum, otherwise known as the corpse flower.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: I had to make sure I got the real name
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: in there because my father is a horticulturalist. This thing
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: takes ten years to first bloom, and then after that
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: it blooms every three to five years. But when it does,
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: the stink is absolutely putrid, so much so that people
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: actually take time out of their day to go and
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: smell something that apparently smells like rotten eggs. According to
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: one boy who went to visit, it is a bizarre
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: idea that you would be like, Okay, here is something
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: that smells like something I don't want to go near
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: at all, but I'm deliberately going to go near it
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: because it is so unusual that this thing smells like
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: it does. I can't make sense of it.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: So only when you can watch the good part online
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: like this was live streams, you can sit in the
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: comfort of your home smelling it. No one savory smells
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: and watch the thing bloom.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: But no, they wanted to smell it.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: Funnily enough, the brother of the kid who said it
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: smelt like rotten eggs, his little brother piped up and said,
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: and poop, it smelled ape.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Always the little brother. The ABC interviewed a woman who
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: traveled an hour to smell it. I think that's the thing, right.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: You can watch it online and you can see it,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: but the experience is really sure to be smelt. This
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: woman traveled an hour to smell it. She told the
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: ABC it smelt like wet towels, and then advised after
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: she got home she'd get friends and she'd come back
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: to smell it all over again.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Look, it must be such an enriching experience. I think
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: we all have to go down and perhaps check it
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: out for ourselves and love it and see and see
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: how we go, and see whether or not it does,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: in fact smell worse than James McPherson.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: That might be a feat.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take Cale about back. We're going to
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: have words, but you stick around. Coming up is the
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: reader Penny Show. Couldn't I