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Bonus Episode: Great Actors of the 1970s, Juvenile Delinquency, and the Luck of The Draw · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we'd like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgracelands to the other, the backyard to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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Speaker 1: about juvenile delinquency and how it could possibly prevent great art.
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Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne, more on al Pacino and of course your voicemails, texts,
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Speaker 1: dms and more and as always, a whole lot of rosie.
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Speaker 1: All right, Discos, let's get into it. I've never been arrested.
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Speaker 1: I've never been part of some criminal scandal. I've never
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Speaker 1: done time. I've never spent the night in jail. The
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Speaker 1: closest I came to getting into real trouble, real trouble
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Speaker 1: with the law was I was caught shoplifting in Ozzy
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Speaker 1: Osborne cassette when I was in the seventh grade. I
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Speaker 1: didn't get arrested, but I didn't get in trouble and
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Speaker 1: have to go to court, where the judge, in all seriousness,
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Speaker 1: asked me, son, did Ozzy Osborne make you do this
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Speaker 1: ridiculous question? Of course, I've told some of you this before.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure my friends have all heard this story, and
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Speaker 1: those who have heard it know that the rest of
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Speaker 1: this story goes as follows. My father, who was accompanying
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Speaker 1: me to my court date, nearly fell out of his
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Speaker 1: chair laughing, and even so everything ended fine. I still
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Speaker 1: can't tell it the was serious or not. I was
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Speaker 1: let go on the promise that I'd never shoplift again,
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Speaker 1: I'd never get into trouble again. I was a minor.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even get a black mark on my record.
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Speaker 1: Nothing really happened, thankfully, because I acted like an idiot.
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Speaker 1: But the whole experience, it was scary. It woke me up.
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Speaker 1: It taught me. I guess that there are real consequences.
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Speaker 1: There were real consequences, I should say, for my juvenile
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Speaker 1: delinquency and my budding career as a teenage dirt bag.
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Speaker 1: I think where I grew up, Clinton, Massachusetts, a small
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Speaker 1: town west of Boston, a town that threw no fault
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Speaker 1: of its own didn't have a lot to offer me
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Speaker 1: by the time I hit my teens, and I didn't
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Speaker 1: have a lot to offer it either. Like a lot
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Speaker 1: of the kids I grew up with, I was a
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Speaker 1: tough kid. I don't mean like tough, like like fighting
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I mean tough like then. I didn't
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Speaker 1: realize it, but now I do. I put up with
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Speaker 1: a lot, and I developed some resiliency because of my upbringing.
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Speaker 1: But like most kids thirteen fourteen years old, back then,
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Speaker 1: I didn't know what I wanted out of my life.
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Speaker 1: I was unknowingly doing most things wrong, as I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that a lot of latch key kids were doing at
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Speaker 1: the same time back in the late eighties. I smoked,
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Speaker 1: I drank, I got really shitty grades. I skipped school
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Speaker 1: as much as possible. I cursed like a freaking sailor.
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Speaker 1: I didn't listen to really anything my parents had to say.
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Speaker 1: I listened to just enough to keep them off my
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Speaker 1: back when they were around. I guess my dad lived
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Speaker 1: in the city. My mom and stepdad, who were raising me,
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Speaker 1: were distracted. Was trying to make enough money to keep
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Speaker 1: the lights on and raise three kids. Parenting the oldest.
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Speaker 1: That would be me out of a life of crime.
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Speaker 1: That's an overstatement, a life of juvenile delinquency that didn't
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Speaker 1: fit into their schedule. And even if it did, by
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Speaker 1: that point in my young life, I doubt that it
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Speaker 1: would have mattered. That was nineteen eighty seven. I was
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Speaker 1: pretty convinced that I'd be dead by the time I
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Speaker 1: was eighteen years old. Not exaggerating. I was sure, as
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming a lot of young people are now, that
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Speaker 1: the world was going to blow itself up. The threat
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Speaker 1: then was nuclear war. Today it's the ever constant threat
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Speaker 1: of climate catastrophe, and back then it was the Russians.
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Speaker 1: I guess it still is. But what was the point?
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Speaker 1: Why study? Why get good grades? Why go to school?
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Speaker 1: Why get a date to the Sadie Hawkins dance? Why
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Speaker 1: cut my hair just because my baseball coach told me too.
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Speaker 1: By the time I was in seventh grade, I was
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Speaker 1: such a little unknowing nihilist that I brazenly pocketed that
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Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne cassette the Randy Rose Tribute. Didn't matter the consequences,
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Speaker 1: and I did so because heavy metal was at the
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Speaker 1: time one of the only things in the world that
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Speaker 1: made sense to me that in Girls, But I'm going
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Speaker 1: to skip the girl's part for now and focus on
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Speaker 1: the metal and the consequences of my juvenile delinquency. For
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Speaker 1: the moment, Heavy Metal was everything you ever see the
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Speaker 1: movie Heavy Metal Parking Lot. Okay, that vibe was pretty
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Speaker 1: much my ideal notion of heaven in the seventh grade
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Speaker 1: of paradise, unlimited good times and no parents in sight.
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Speaker 1: And for those of you who don't know, Heavy Metal
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Speaker 1: Parking Lot is a documentary, I guess basically it's a
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Speaker 1: camera crew set loose in the parking lot of a
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Speaker 1: stadium where Judas, Priests and Dawkin are about to play
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Speaker 1: a concert in nineteen eighty six. I think it's in
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Speaker 1: Maryland or Delaware or somewhere on the East coast. So
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Speaker 1: it looked very familiar to me. It looks very familiar
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Speaker 1: to me, I should say. The filmmakers interview a bunch
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Speaker 1: of teenage wastoids. Dudes in half shirts with their cut
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Speaker 1: abs showing and feathered hair parted in the middle, chicks
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Speaker 1: and spandex and hair aquaneted to the moon. Most are wasted,
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Speaker 1: all are having the time of their lives. Where are
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Speaker 1: they now? Who knows how many of those metal heads
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Speaker 1: are living full, rewarding lives. I'm going to guess that
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Speaker 1: most are, because that's human nature. People find their way.
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Speaker 1: I found mine, but I very easily could have been rerouted,
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Speaker 1: gone through the wrong sliding door, or whatever. Fucked up bad,
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Speaker 1: real bad, as some of my friends did. Friends who
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Speaker 1: ended up dead, friends who ended up in prison. There
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Speaker 1: wasn't much difference between their childhoods and mind So why
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Speaker 1: did I end up here right now talking to you? Incidentally,
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Speaker 1: you might be able to tell from the sound of
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Speaker 1: this recording, I'm not in my studio at the time.
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Speaker 1: I'm in a cabin whereas my six year old calls
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Speaker 1: at a cabbage in the middle of the woods on
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Speaker 1: an island. You can probably hear my kids outside running around.
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Speaker 1: They're bug hunting right now. I've got the microphone set
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Speaker 1: up in the middle of the cabin here. It's quite idyllic,
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Speaker 1: even if it doesn't sound. So we'll be back in
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Speaker 1: the studio next week. But the point is, I'm recording
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Speaker 1: this on vacation, and it's a pretty awesome vacation, if
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Speaker 1: I'm being honest, A vacation in a place that's so beautiful.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even know it existed when I was a
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Speaker 1: teenager in a place so idyllic that I never would
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Speaker 1: have imagined I'd ever have been able to visit here
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Speaker 1: if I was aware of it. But here I am.
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Speaker 1: And a lot of this is luck, a lot of
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Speaker 1: it is randomness. Life can turn bad in an instant,
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Speaker 1: and sometimes we have no control over it, but sometimes
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Speaker 1: we do. Al Pacino, as a young juvenile delinquent, he
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Speaker 1: knew he had control over his life, the free will
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Speaker 1: to write what was almost a terrible wrong, so wrong
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Speaker 1: that he was about to get into serious life altering
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Speaker 1: trouble for an act that he hadn't even followed through with.
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Speaker 1: This story, as you probably know, is the subject of
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Speaker 1: our last full episode of Disgraceland. Now. Al Pacino's choice
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Speaker 1: to act his way out of what was almost a
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Speaker 1: ten year prison sentence, a role that, had he not aced,
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Speaker 1: would have resulted in the world being a little less
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Speaker 1: interesting or perhaps a lot less interesting, depending on your
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Speaker 1: point of view. Now, perhaps had al done that time,
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Speaker 1: that prison time, he would have got out of jail
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Speaker 1: and resumed his acting career and became a version of
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Speaker 1: the same star that he is today. But I highly
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Speaker 1: doubt it. Prison, despite what authorities and social scientists preached,
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Speaker 1: doesn't really reform criminals. It refines them, gives them the
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Speaker 1: skills that they need to become better criminals, not better people.
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Speaker 1: So al likely after ten years in lock up would
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Speaker 1: have emerged more criminal minded than he was when he
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Speaker 1: went in, and likely would have wound up back in
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Speaker 1: prison at some point and not starring in some of
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Speaker 1: the greatest films in Hollywood history. Okay, these films, particularly
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Speaker 1: the iconic ones from the nineteen seventies that al Pacino made,
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Speaker 1: never would have existed, or if they did, they'd be
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Speaker 1: a lot different without al Pacino. I guess that's the point.
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Speaker 1: Is The Godfather any good with Robert Redford in the
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Speaker 1: role of Michael as the studios wanted? I don't think so.
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Speaker 1: Does Serpico even get made without al Pacino? Who plays
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Speaker 1: Sonny in Dog Day Afternoon? Dustin Hoffmann, I can actually
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Speaker 1: see that one. Who does Robert Nero star opposite and
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Speaker 1: in Heat? I have no answer for you on that one.
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Speaker 1: Sylvester Stallone is scarfaced, definitely not as far as I'm concerned.
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Speaker 1: No one about al Pacino could have played Left and
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Speaker 1: Donnie Brosco. And on the other hand, the dude who
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Speaker 1: served me my coffee at Dunkin Donuts this morning could
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Speaker 1: have done a better job than Al did as Jimmy
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Speaker 1: Hoffa and the Irishman, but Al gets a pass for
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Speaker 1: that one. There's a lot of what ifs, is my point,
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Speaker 1: and I can't imagine a Hollywood history without Al Pacino,
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Speaker 1: or at least I don't really want to. The randomness
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Speaker 1: of life is so absolute sometimes that when we consider
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Speaker 1: what we have for films, for music, the astonishing art
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Speaker 1: that's part of our modern culture on screen and in
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Speaker 1: our speakers, we are so lucky. We are blessed. Think
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Speaker 1: of these artists, these actors, the musicians. Think of the
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Speaker 1: way they live their lives. How close to the edge
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Speaker 1: they were, how close to death they came, never mind prison,
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Speaker 1: and how they survived only to continue making great art.
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Speaker 1: The Beatles were lucky to make it out of Germany
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Speaker 1: alive in their early days. Imagine if John's Nazi goose
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Speaker 1: stepping on stage insulted the wrong tough at nails German
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Speaker 1: from the Reaperbond District and he wound up dead. Imagine
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Speaker 1: if Sean Penn assaulted the wrong dude on the set
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Speaker 1: of and ended up with a bullet in his belly
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Speaker 1: instead of a light sixty day jail sentence. What if
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Speaker 1: Easy suffered the same drug dealer's fate as his dead
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Speaker 1: cousin Horace. What if George Lucas died in that car
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Speaker 1: crash as a kid. What if Madonna in Blondie's Debbie
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Speaker 1: Harry didn't overcome the trauma of being raped. What if
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Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe didn't overcome the sexual abuse she suffered as
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Speaker 1: a child. Can you imagine a world where we have
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Speaker 1: no Beatles, no NWA, no Star Wars, no Madonna, no Marilyn,
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Speaker 1: no Al Pacino. I can't. It all makes me wonder
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Speaker 1: now what we're missing? What incredible works of art, What albums?
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Speaker 1: What movies were never made because the people who would
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Speaker 1: have made them never had the opportunity because they were jailed,
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Speaker 1: or they died too young. However you look at it,
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Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is that Al Pacino survived
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Speaker 1: and became one of the greatest actors of all time.
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Speaker 1: Last week I asked you guys, in preparation of our
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Speaker 1: full Al Pacino episode, if al was the greatest actor
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Speaker 1: of the seventies, and we'll get into that answer in
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Speaker 1: a bit, but I can share with you now a
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Speaker 1: lot of you submitted Al's friend John Cazel as your answer,
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Speaker 1: and on this sort of cultural sliding doors topic that
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Speaker 1: we have here, John Cozel is a perfect answer. Cazelle,
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Speaker 1: of course, played Fredo in The Godfather and was romantically
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Speaker 1: involved during his career with Meryl Streep. But more important,
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Speaker 1: John Cazel died young at the age of forty two
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Speaker 1: from chainsmoking cigarettes. He died of lung cancer. But before
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Speaker 1: he died, and here's the point, he made only five movies,
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Speaker 1: and each of them is an undeniable masterpiece. Each movie
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Speaker 1: that John Cozelle made, all five of them were nominated
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Speaker 1: for Best Picture, The Godfather, Godfather Too, Dog Day Afternoon,
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Speaker 1: Deer Hunter, and Francis FOURT. Cooppola is the conversation, what
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Speaker 1: the hell would John Cozel's career have been like had
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Speaker 1: he lived? What movies would he have starreded that don't
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Speaker 1: exist right now? What would he in Meryl Street have
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Speaker 1: given us Beyond the Deer Hunter? It's fun to think about.
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Speaker 1: I'll get more into John Cazel when I answer your
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Speaker 1: calls and texts in a bit, but right now I
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Speaker 1: want to hit on next week's disgrace Land subject real quick,
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Speaker 1: I want to hit on Metallica. This episode on Metallica
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Speaker 1: is largely about Cliff Burton and the impact of his
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Speaker 1: death on the band, and Metallica is such an institution
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Speaker 1: now that it's hard to fully understand how important Cliff
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Speaker 1: Burton was to Metallica. He was the group's heart and soul.
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Speaker 1: He was the medal in Metallica. The band beat to
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Speaker 1: his heart rate. If Metallica broke up after Cliff's death
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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six, as led Zeppelin had broken up
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Speaker 1: after John Bottom's death in nineteen eighty nineteen seventy nine,
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Speaker 1: I think it was early eighty. I doubt that those
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Speaker 1: who knew Metallica personally would have been surprised if they
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Speaker 1: broke up, because Cliff was that important, and Cliff's death
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Speaker 1: was a giant loss that the band somehow overcame. When
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Speaker 1: you listening to the Metallica episode next week, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to ask you guys to think about the episode's theme
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Speaker 1: of loss and think about which living artists you can't
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Speaker 1: afford to lose and why why would you be devastated
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Speaker 1: if God forbid, we lost Dave Grohl or Taylor Swift
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Speaker 1: or Beyonce or Morgan Wallen or Jack White or Casey
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Speaker 1: Musgraves or Chris Stapleton or Billie Eilish or Lady Gaga
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Speaker 1: or Adele any modern artists? Which modern artists can't you
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Speaker 1: afford to lose? And why? What do they provide for you?
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Speaker 1: What do these artists give you that makes them so
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Speaker 1: indispensable to your lives? I want to know who can't
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Speaker 1: you live without? Right now? Call me six one seven
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Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight to let me know,
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Speaker 1: Leave me a voicemail, send me a text, or hit
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Speaker 1: me up on the socials at disgrace lampod. I'll be
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Speaker 1: back in a flash. All right, let's get into your voicemails.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into your texts. Last week, like I mentioned before,
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Speaker 1: we asked in honor of al Pacino, who the greatest
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Speaker 1: actor of the nineteen seventies might have been? Who you
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Speaker 1: think deserves that crown? Got some interesting answers from a
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Speaker 1: bunch of you. Let's check out this answer from Cynthia
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Speaker 1: in the five Away.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Jake and Cynthia, I've been thinking about what you
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Speaker 2: were saying about the best seventies who owned the seventies
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Speaker 2: as far as acting, And I gotta say Donald Sutherland's
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Speaker 2: because well, I think of movies like Mash and Animal House,
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Speaker 2: Don't Look Now, which I just saw not too long
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Speaker 2: ago really freaked me out, and Invasion of the Body Snatchers,
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Speaker 2: which traumatized me as a child. But honestly, he runs
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Speaker 2: the gamut of genres and it's not a seventies movie.
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Speaker 2: But in nineteen eighty he did Ordinary People, which is
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Speaker 2: completely different from the other movies that I mentioned. So
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Speaker 2: I just got to say his face was everywhere and
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Speaker 2: in all of these movies that were you know, that
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Speaker 2: have longevity that will be forever. That's my input. Thanks.
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Speaker 1: Donald Sutherland is a is a sneaky pick and not
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Speaker 1: one that I would have thought of. I wouldn't I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't claim donalds I wouldn't give him the crown. But
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Speaker 1: he's He's up there in a handful of grtes from
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Speaker 1: the decade, for sure, if for no other reason than
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Speaker 1: his his brief pantsless role in an Animal House, which
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Speaker 1: I just every time I see it, I laugh my
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Speaker 1: ass off. Also, a Mash is clute, is clute? The
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies or is that like sixty nine, sixty eight,
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Speaker 1: sixty nine, something like that. Love Donald Sutherland, rest in peace.
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Speaker 1: He just passed away a little while ago. On the
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Speaker 1: same subject to three ZHO two rights in Gene Hackman. Shit,
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Speaker 1: he's been out of the spotlight for years and slipped
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Speaker 1: from my mind. Hackman or Paccino, I don't know, dude,
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Speaker 1: That's a fucking Sophie's choice conundrum. I feel like Gene
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Speaker 1: Hackman is a just great, one of the greatest actors
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Speaker 1: of all time, for sure, and we overlook him, all
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Speaker 1: of us. I feel like he doesn't get mentioned enough.
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Speaker 1: And when we talk about the greatest actors. He's tremendous
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Speaker 1: in everything I've seen him, and even movies I don't like.
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Speaker 1: If I'm switching through the channels and I see Gene
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Speaker 1: Hackman's face, I'm gonna stop and I'm gonna watch it
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Speaker 1: off the top of my head. These aren't seventies movies,
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Speaker 1: but Hoosiers hits. Of course, we're ad ten and bombs.
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Speaker 1: Even the Firm. He's fantastic in the Firm. I almost
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Speaker 1: said cocktail. He's not in cocktail, but Tom Cruise is
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Speaker 1: in a tropical place in both those movies. Have you
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Speaker 1: guys seen the recent you said he's not in the
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Speaker 1: spotlight here the three or two mentioned that, But have
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Speaker 1: you seen the recent pictures of Gene Hackman. I believe
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Speaker 1: there are some paparazzi get photos of him. I think
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Speaker 1: he lives in like New Mexico or Arizona or something
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Speaker 1: like that. And he's getting out of his pickup truck
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Speaker 1: at ninety something years old. He looks nothing like you
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Speaker 1: would expect. Google these images. They're they're really fantastic, kind
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Speaker 1: of shocking given how different he looks. But he's old,
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Speaker 1: but he's up and around. Man, he's up and around him.
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Speaker 1: And Clint Eastwood get a handed to those guys. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: where's Clint Eastwood on the list of seventies actors? I
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Speaker 1: don't think anybody mentioned Clint Eastwood eight point eight text
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Speaker 1: in Hey, Jake Mickey here on the topic of best
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Speaker 1: actors in the seventies. I think we both know that
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Speaker 1: a lot of peeps will say de Niro. It's tough
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Speaker 1: not to, but I'm gonna throw this name in the hat,
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Speaker 1: mister Richard pryor not all of them comedies either, Lady
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Speaker 1: Sings the Blues, for example, a very solid seventies catalog
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Speaker 1: for the Man until next time, Mickey, I could very
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Speaker 1: easily google Richard Pryor's videography from the nineteen seventies, but
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that right now because i
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Speaker 1: want to keep talking to you. But hit me back,
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Speaker 1: give me more. Besides Lady Sings the Blues, I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: of prior movies and I'm I guess maybe it's because
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Speaker 1: of my age, but I'm thinking eighties. I'm thinking Brewsters, Millions,
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking the Toy I know I have some big
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Speaker 1: ones that I'm missing here. What is that one Blue
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Speaker 1: Collar the Paul Schrader film that's seventies I believe, with
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Speaker 1: Harvey Kaitel and Richard Pryor. Yeah, there's a lot from
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Speaker 1: the seventies, but there's not a lot that's popping off
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Speaker 1: at the top of my head right now. Also, why
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Speaker 1: can't you find Lady Sings the Blues anywhere? What's the
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Speaker 1: story with that? I want to watch that movie again,
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Speaker 1: the bill It's a Billie Holiday story and you can't
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Speaker 1: find it anywhere. If you have the reason, Mickey, let
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Speaker 1: me know. Get back in touch on Instagram at Young
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Speaker 1: Base these writes in the greatest actor in the nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventies is John Kezel. He made five movies, all of
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Speaker 1: them were great. Yes, we talked about that at Young
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Speaker 1: Basti's and I also what we didn't talk about what
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Speaker 1: we mentioned John Gazelle is the fact that John Kazelle
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Speaker 1: was born I believe in Revere, Massachusetts, and he's buried
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Speaker 1: in Maldon. He was a Boston boy. I think he
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Speaker 1: hooked up with Pacino in Boston. In the episode that
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Speaker 1: we have on al Pacino, al Pacino, this incident that
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Speaker 1: I talked about where he gets hauled in by police,
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Speaker 1: he gets arrested. That happens in Rhode Island while al
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