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Chuck in the Morning 8-12 Hour 3: Hard Knocks delivers again, Baseball Brunch and finding the edge... · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: My name is Chuck Powell, Ashley Ryan with you as
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Speaker 1: well til ten o'clock this morning. A lot of baseball
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Speaker 1: things to discuss today, nothing pleasant, and a lot of
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Speaker 1: Seahawks stuff to talk about today, and most of that
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Speaker 1: usually is pleasant. But if there is one thing making
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Speaker 1: people uncomfortable around these here on ponks about our World champs,
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Speaker 1: it is whether or not we should or shouldn't pursue
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Speaker 1: this Terry and Arnold thing. So good morning to you.
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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks Episode two did air last night. And again
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Speaker 1: I think I say this because I think some people
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Speaker 1: are like, I'm taping that. Don't ruin it for me, Surrey.
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Speaker 1: This is like a major event. This is like a game.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't after a Seahawks game come on
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Speaker 1: Monday morning and be like, just in case somebody wants
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Speaker 1: to watch it later on today. Yeah, well we want to.
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Speaker 2: Ask you any questions about how Sam Darnold did because
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Speaker 2: someone might wanna might not have been able to watch
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Speaker 2: it yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, be careful. Said this year, we don't want to
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Speaker 1: give anything away.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't want to tell him who won or
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Speaker 3: how Sam did.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, we're gonna have to treat this like a game.
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Speaker 1: So here we are talking about hard Knocks, which I
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Speaker 1: think the episode as a whole was really just showcasing
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Speaker 1: Seahawks culture, how great Mike McDonald has made it. The
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Speaker 1: type of leader Mike McDonald is, which right now, I mean,
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Speaker 1: who doesn't want that guy? Who doesn't want that guy
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Speaker 1: as your leader? You know, the guy that's going to
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Speaker 1: tell you how it's going to be done. He's in control.
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Speaker 1: He makes that very clear. He gives you all sorts
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Speaker 1: of a long rope to be yourself. He will pull
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Speaker 1: it when he needs to. He will be firm about it,
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Speaker 1: he will be direct about it, and then he'll circle
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Speaker 1: back and tell you all as well, you know I
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Speaker 1: got to do this sort of thing. I love you,
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Speaker 1: you know that. I mean, that is like as good
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Speaker 1: as it gets. And I don't know how many books
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Speaker 1: he's read, or how many people he's been around, and
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Speaker 1: how many nuggets that he's stolen from other people in
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Speaker 1: his life that have been leaders to him. But whatever
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Speaker 1: he did to get to this point, my gosh, are
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks benefiting from it because that is a leader.
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Speaker 2: Well, And it's so fascinating to me too, because he's
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Speaker 2: able to be a leader without and exert his authority
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Speaker 2: without seemingly having an ego about it. I mean even
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Speaker 2: when he says, yeah, it's my practice, like turns out,
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Speaker 2: I run this.
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Speaker 3: You know, like even then, it was like it wasn't
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Speaker 3: like look at me, it's my I mean, it's still the.
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Speaker 2: Way he delivered it. It wasn't like, yeah, being a
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Speaker 2: jerk about it. It was like, hey, man, get in line,
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Speaker 2: come on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It's a fascinating and not overcussing,
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Speaker 1: but effective cussing.
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Speaker 3: Effective cussing, which is what I teach my.
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Speaker 1: Child, which is great. And then of course the collection
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Speaker 1: of people that he's brought in. I mean, if you've
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Speaker 1: watched two episodes and you're worried about Derek Hall, like
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Speaker 1: they might be a bad teammate, Like number one, I
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Speaker 1: disagree with you. That's not what I came away with.
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Speaker 1: It feels like they love him. But he's a little
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Speaker 1: bit like the crazy kid on the playground. Sometimes he
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Speaker 1: gets a little carried away and you got scold him
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Speaker 1: every once in a while and he might pout for
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Speaker 1: a second, but he's gonna see the big picture. I
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Speaker 1: think that Ad and Dirty said it right, Like the
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Speaker 1: things that drive us nuts a little nuts about him
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Speaker 1: are the things that we love about him and why
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Speaker 1: we gave him fourteen million dollars a year. So if
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Speaker 1: that's the if that's the bad character on the roster,
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Speaker 1: I think you're sitting pretty good the way Sam's come off,
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Speaker 1: the way Jsn's come off, the way Leonard Williams has
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Speaker 1: come off, the way Eman Warrior's like, it's just the culture.
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Speaker 1: You see the leadership first, and then you see the
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Speaker 1: culture and you're like, Okay, I get it. I get
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Speaker 1: how that leader has built this culture, and I get
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Speaker 1: how they've changed their philosophy to make sure the people
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Speaker 1: in that locker room are on the same page and
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Speaker 1: they're not just selfish and they do things the right way,
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Speaker 1: and they have the teammates backs and everything else. I mean,
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Speaker 1: more than anything else, I think maybe that Mike McDonald
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Speaker 1: has done, and that includes bringing the greatest defensive mind
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Speaker 1: in the sport currently to Seattle. The culture he's built
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Speaker 1: in two short years explains why we're already world champions
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Speaker 1: under his leadership, because they have changed the way that
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Speaker 1: they evaluate players and they have shot character way up
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Speaker 1: that list. And for them to have taken Leonard Williams
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Speaker 1: when he's thinking about retirement in New York because he
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Speaker 1: just wasn't having as much fun playing football, And then
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Speaker 1: bring him here to Seattle and we find out how
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Speaker 1: great a player he is, how great a leader he is,
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Speaker 1: how great a person that he is. I mean, my goodness,
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Speaker 1: what a what a boon for this organization. And John
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Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit for that too. That's not
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Speaker 1: just that's not just Mike gets the credit for that.
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Speaker 1: I mean that's an equal share credit, maybe even more
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Speaker 1: so for John to pull off the trade to get
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Speaker 1: Leonard Williams. But that it's just a very likable group.
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Speaker 1: And that might be boring for a Jets fan that's
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Speaker 1: turning into this, but for a Seahawks fan that's sitting
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Speaker 1: on top of the world right now, and you watch
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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks and you get some nitty gritty details from
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes about how just what does make all
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Speaker 1: of these players take? I think, I like that guy.
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Speaker 1: Let's find out more about him, and then you come
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Speaker 1: away liking him even more. I mean, what a magical
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Speaker 1: formula that they've got work in here right now.
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Speaker 2: I mean I even just loved the fight between who
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Speaker 2: Mason Richmond and Riley Mills, and they get into it
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Speaker 2: on the field and everyone's like, and you know, Mills
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Speaker 2: gets all pissed, and then to settle it they have
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Speaker 2: to hold sledgehammers in front of the whole team, and
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Speaker 2: the face of Mason Richmond as he's.
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Speaker 3: Like, I don't want to lose.
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Speaker 2: This, you know, and everybody gets to be entertained by it.
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Speaker 2: I just I was like, even that is it was
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Speaker 2: just it was perfectly done.
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Speaker 1: And Mills didn't look like he was struggling at all
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Speaker 1: at all.
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Speaker 2: Were made of air because he was like, I could
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Speaker 2: hold these for seven days.
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Speaker 1: Those are some strong shoulders. Yeah, those are.
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Speaker 3: He did not care.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I don't know if the rest
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Speaker 1: of the country's enjoying it all that much. I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you this, I have not enjoyed the last few hard
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Speaker 1: knocks with other teams, but certainly for us to get
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Speaker 1: a little more insight into how our players tick, how
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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald's operation ticks, it's been fantastic. I mean, can't
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Speaker 1: get enough of it. Two episodes. I've enjoyed every second
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Speaker 1: of both the episodes. And yet there was some news
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Speaker 1: yesterday and that kind of is the big story here today.
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Speaker 1: Seahawks are definitely in on Terry and Arnold. If you
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Speaker 1: didn't already know that, he came to visit twice, so
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Speaker 1: that should give you every indication. And then how are
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Speaker 1: they discussing it behind the scenes. I didn't think we'd
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Speaker 1: get as much information as we did about Terry and
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Speaker 1: Arnold last night, including some John Schneider in his office
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Speaker 1: moment where he's sort of trying to already prepare the
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Speaker 1: organization for the pr hit that they'll have to take
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Speaker 1: if they signed Terry and Arnold. So let's pick it
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Speaker 1: up with leave.
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Speaker 4: John Schneider is deciding if he can sign Terry and Arnold,
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Speaker 4: a gifted cornerback facing multiple felony counts. His former team,
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Speaker 4: the Detroit Lions, cut him after his arrest. He's still
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Speaker 4: awaiting a resolution to his case. There's no doubt the
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Speaker 4: third year pro could bolster the Hawk's secondary Still, no
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Speaker 4: amount of due diligence will spare the team from criticism
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Speaker 4: if he's offered a contract.
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Speaker 1: It happens.
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember Lake, what does Terry and Arnold
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Speaker 5: think like Woby Another controversial signing that's happened, So we
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Speaker 5: could kind of like, oh, I can understand that situation.
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Speaker 6: Situations where someone has like an outstanding thing.
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Speaker 5: Right and then look at Holloway and were traded for
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Speaker 5: a chois a choirs?
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I mean, I don't know
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Speaker 1: about you, Ashley, greg and I talked about a little
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Speaker 1: bit earlier this morning. I mean that is a general
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Speaker 1: manager who still has that talent is talent mentality, Yep,
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Speaker 1: even though drafting for character and making it more important
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Speaker 1: in the last two or three years is as big
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Speaker 1: a reason as to mean. It's not like you didn't
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Speaker 1: draft talented guys. It didn't bring up a bunch of
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Speaker 1: good guys. You drafted talented guys, but you certainly have
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Speaker 1: made character a bigger priority in your last three drafts
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Speaker 1: and in your offseason moves. And yet there's still this
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Speaker 1: part and John that's like, Hey, talent is talent and
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Speaker 1: is already getting out ahead of I want to sign him.
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Speaker 1: That's my takeaway. I want to sign him. I want
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Speaker 1: him on this roster. Now you tell me how big
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Speaker 1: of a pr blow we're going to get back on
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Speaker 1: this and are we okay with that? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Find some examples that I could use of where it
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Speaker 3: worked out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not like he's gonna lose the fan
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Speaker 1: base if he signs Terry and Arnold. No, you forgave
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Speaker 1: him for you know, uh, Frank Clark. It took like
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Speaker 1: one sack before everybody was rooting for Frank Clark, even
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Speaker 1: though at the time I remember taking phone calls on
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Speaker 1: this and everybody was done being a seahawk. Not everybody
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Speaker 1: a people who are there are a lot of beat
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people are done. I won't
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Speaker 1: root for a team that signs a guy like that.
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Speaker 1: He gets two sacks and we love him, So he
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Speaker 1: knows that that's what will happen eventually, as long as
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Speaker 1: Arnold is exonerated. But there's that Rascal and John Schneider,
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Speaker 1: that general manager that sat there with Pete and had
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Speaker 1: conversations at the table, discussing, you know, let's get him,
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Speaker 1: we'll deal with a.
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Speaker 3: Pr Yeah, they would have done it in a heartbeat.
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Speaker 1: And so he's already mapping that out and trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out we'll take the PR hit. I'm not worried
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Speaker 1: about that, but for the sake of everybody else in
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Speaker 1: the organization, how do we lessen it? How do we
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Speaker 1: deal with it. What are some other examples of how
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Speaker 1: teams have done this and didn't come away with didn't
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Speaker 1: come away by angering everybody?
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Speaker 2: Right, Which shouldn't be surprising to any fans that he
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Speaker 2: would make sure that he did all his research before
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Speaker 2: he made a move like this, because it is a
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Speaker 2: big deal. And even if and again this isn't based
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Speaker 2: on if Terry and Arnold is guilty or not guilty,
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Speaker 2: because we don't know that.
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Speaker 3: It's just it's also a distraction.
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Speaker 2: It's also I mean, eight felonies isn't something like you know,
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Speaker 2: he accidentally, you know, fell asleep at the wheel and
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Speaker 2: crashed into a parked car, right, I mean, this is
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Speaker 2: a big deal.
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Speaker 1: Could be live in prison.
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Speaker 2: It could be life in prison. So it's it is.
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Speaker 2: It seems bigger than anything else. So yeah, you better
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Speaker 2: be doing your research if you're going to think about
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Speaker 2: bringing this guy in.
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Speaker 1: All right, So that was John caught in the office
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Speaker 1: overhead boom mics. Here he is being interviewed about it.
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Speaker 5: We have ninety players here right now.
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Speaker 1: We're always kind of looking for what's next.
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Speaker 5: How do we how do we get ready for you know,
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Speaker 5: a corner that's not here yet? You know, like guys
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Speaker 5: that we're gonna need at a certain point.
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Speaker 3: You want to be strong as healthy as possible.
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Speaker 5: In December January.
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Speaker 7: Last night I was talking about carry talk to jam
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Speaker 7: about Oh yeah, he was awesome. He's a leak. He's
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Speaker 7: got a buddy, high school buddy. He's like, this was
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Speaker 7: to be awesome for him. Just have a baby, his
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Speaker 7: wife and up here, up here with them, be awesome.
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Speaker 7: He's like, he's just like, it's just like spool Joey
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Speaker 7: thinks he is gonna be able to play in the preseason.
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Speaker 1: Sweet might be unfair. I read that as man John
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Speaker 1: is John really wants him because the GM and him
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Speaker 1: is like, I can get a first round talent who's
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Speaker 1: still in his mid twenties and probably get him to
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Speaker 1: play here for league minimum, just selling him on the
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Speaker 1: fact that he can be a part of a world
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Speaker 1: championship culture and be under the guidance of the best
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Speaker 1: defensive mind in the National Football League. He's not going
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Speaker 1: to get some big giant offer from anyone, so that
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Speaker 1: alone should get him here to Seattle. But I haven't
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Speaker 1: yet convinced my head coach we should do it. Yep,
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Speaker 1: that's how I read that, and I know that there
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Speaker 1: was that little quip maybe you heard it, maybe you didn't,
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Speaker 1: where he was like sweet, Mike said sweet. Yep. I
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Speaker 1: did not get the impression that Mike has sold on
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Speaker 1: this at all from that episode. And it's really short clips, right,
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Speaker 1: but I didn't get the impression that Mike sold on
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Speaker 1: this idea at all. And I get the impression that
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Speaker 1: John is completely sold on it, and that John is
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Speaker 1: coming into Mike's office. I talked to college teammate Milroe.
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Speaker 1: He thinks he's awesome, he's the best guy in the world,
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Speaker 1: so he's really trying to like sell him on Mike.
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Speaker 1: That's the impression I drew from there.
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Speaker 3: And that's the same thing I've seen.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he even says, oh, it plays just like
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Speaker 2: spoon and then he's oh, g really yeah, that was
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Speaker 2: that little thing, and I was like okay. And then
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Speaker 2: he when he says and he'll be available for the preseason, Well,
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Speaker 2: I think that when Mike responds with sweet, I mean
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Speaker 2: that's for two reasons. One, Well, we don't care if
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Speaker 2: he can play in the preseason, right, what's his eligibility
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Speaker 2: going to be like in the actual year, is he
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Speaker 2: going to be in jail or is he going to
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Speaker 2: be on a field right? And when he says sweet,
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Speaker 2: he might as well have said neat. I mean it
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Speaker 2: was that kind of like, Okay, I see what you're doing.
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Speaker 2: I know you want this guy, so you're going to
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Speaker 2: continue to do the thing the thing you're going to do,
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Speaker 2: but I'm not convinced of this and he does not
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Speaker 2: fit anything I've been trying to put together here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if and if you had that same conclusion,
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Speaker 1: Ashley and I sort of had the same conclusion. There.
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Speaker 1: Sounds like Leave and HBO had the same conclusion as well,
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Speaker 1: because this is how they ended the episode.
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Speaker 4: Getting the right fit isn't always easy. Normally, a highly
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Speaker 4: skilled player would be a shoe in, but with Terran Arnold,
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Speaker 4: the free agent with the legal problems, it's not that simple.
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Speaker 4: So Seattle has invited him to the facility. Mike McDonald
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Speaker 4: has questions will Arnold make the team better? And equally important,
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Speaker 4: does he understand the culture and what Seattle is building?
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Speaker 1: And that's what you weigh with every decision as a
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Speaker 1: professional sports organization. You weigh reward versus risk. Does Rian
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Speaker 1: Arnold make our secondary better? Yeah? Probably, Yeah, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: if he's eligible, if he's not in prison, and he's
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Speaker 1: on a football field, and the Seahawks will be better
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Speaker 1: for having him on the football field, But at what cost?
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Speaker 1: Certainly nothing cap wise, it doesn't feel like or financial wise.
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Speaker 1: And I think there's a pretty decent chance that he
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Speaker 1: blends with the personalities. But why run the risk of
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Speaker 1: bringing on someone that would take the law into their
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Speaker 1: own hands and voyor watch three people be beaten, whether
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Speaker 1: they stole from him or not, and then didn't even
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Speaker 1: take the time to make sure they were the right
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Speaker 1: three people. You really want to introduce that into your
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Speaker 1: perfect world champion. The reason we are world champions is
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Speaker 1: probably because of this culture that we've created in such
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Speaker 1: a short period of time. You really want to inject
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Speaker 1: that in there so you can be a little bit better,
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Speaker 1: so you've got depth at the nickel position. That's what
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Speaker 1: we're doing. That's what you want to do. I think
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Speaker 1: almost I think almost every NFL franchise in the league
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Speaker 1: would do this, But I don't think the Seahawks should.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they need to, And I don't know
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Speaker 1: why you would risk being in such great position for
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Speaker 1: this upcoming season to defend your title by bringing this
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Speaker 1: into your chicken coop.
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Speaker 2: And that's the exact thing there is the risk verse
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Speaker 2: Is the risk worth the reward? I don't think so,
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Speaker 2: because you already have a great defense. Yeah, it would
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Speaker 2: always be nice to improve. Nobody's ever gonna say, Gosh,
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Speaker 2: I don't want we're perfect, we don't want to improve anywhere.
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Speaker 3: That's no, that's not the case.
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Speaker 2: But the risk here with your fan base, with your
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Speaker 2: locker room, with your coaching staff, with your legal team.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just too big.
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Speaker 1: And it's not like this is the I mean, this
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Speaker 1: is big enough, Like, what is this crime? What were
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Speaker 1: you responsible for? Who are who are these people that
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Speaker 1: you did this to? What did they do to you? Exactly?
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Speaker 1: What are we going to find out in a hearing
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Speaker 1: because you're certainly going to end up in a hearing.
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Speaker 1: Charges haven't exactly been dropped, so it certainly wasn't just
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Speaker 1: a clear misunderstanding.
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Speaker 8: Sorry Fellas, he's got court today. I think, yeah, so
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Speaker 8: that's not been dropped. And then here's the last piece
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Speaker 8: of information. And I know I've mentioned this a couple
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Speaker 8: times this week, but the Detroit Lions didn't hesitate. Nope,
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Speaker 8: I mean, they've got far more invested in Terry and
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Speaker 8: Arnold than what the Seahawks would.
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Speaker 1: Have to invest in him. They've got millions, they got
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Speaker 1: a first round traf pick. They've got a weak secondary
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Speaker 1: that has been their issue. Probably the reason why they
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Speaker 1: haven't won a super Bowl or at least gone to
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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl in the last couple of years is
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Speaker 1: because their secondary two years in a row got devastated
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Speaker 1: by the time crunch time rolled around in the season.
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Speaker 1: And so of all the teams that should let's make
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Speaker 1: sure on this Terrrian arm let's not make a rash decision,
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Speaker 1: it would be the Detroit Lions. And they cut him
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Speaker 1: the next morning. Yeah, after the news broke. They may
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Speaker 1: have known it longer, but after the news broke, they
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Speaker 1: cut him the next morning. Yep, and have not looked
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Speaker 1: back on that. So and I don't think the Detroit
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Speaker 1: Lyons have some jackass organization anymore. And I don't think
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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell is some you.
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Speaker 3: Know, it's definitely not a pushover.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they decided, you know what, it's not worth it,
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Speaker 1: the Jews is not worth the squeeze.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't blame him, Let's.
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Speaker 1: Let him go. And now here we are. Here, we
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Speaker 1: are with this almost perfect culture in sports, sitting on
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Speaker 1: top of the mountain, and we're gonna invite this person
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Speaker 1: to sit at our table with all of this unknown
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Speaker 1: as a not just as a criminal violator potentially, but
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Speaker 1: just as a human being and as a teammate what
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Speaker 1: makes him tick. And we're gonna risk that just to
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Speaker 1: improve an already good secondary, maybe an already great secondary.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't seem worth it to me.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it. No, And I my impression of
19:06
Speaker 1: last night is that John Schneider is really trying to
19:09
Speaker 1: talk Mike into this. That's the that's the impression that
19:12
Speaker 1: I took it all right? Coming up next, Yeah, it
19:17
Speaker 1: was a huge game last night. As ugly as it was,
19:21
Speaker 1: it was a huge game. And so we will have
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Speaker 1: the Baseball Brunch Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
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Speaker 1: The first lesson today is don't assume anything.
19:30
Speaker 3: You know what happens when you assume that's.
19:32
Speaker 1: Right, you make an ass out of you and me.
19:34
Speaker 3: Don't do that. Kids.
19:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's time for our Mariners game recap, eight thirty
19:40
Speaker 1: Mariners game recap, and yeah, we don't have a lot
19:43
Speaker 1: of good things to tell you, but it does feel
19:45
Speaker 1: important that we do share some stuff here today. The
19:50
Speaker 1: Mariners ended up losing last night to the New York
19:53
Speaker 1: Yankees four to one, but if the show did start anyone,
19:57
Speaker 1: it was Brian Wu with five shutout innings, And when
20:00
Speaker 1: Brian Wu was presumably leaving the game, Randy A Rose
20:04
Speaker 1: Arena decided, let me give you a chance to win
20:07
Speaker 1: this game, buddy too.
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Speaker 9: Two, this is deep, the opposite way it is gone.
20:16
Speaker 9: Randy Arose Arena the opposite field home run to put
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Speaker 9: the Maritors in front into sixth. Then in Yankee Stadium
20:25
Speaker 9: Gibbeth to the Mariners won nothing.
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Speaker 2: Seattle, remember when we were so full of hope.
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Speaker 1: One to nothing at that point, but Brian Wo's day
20:36
Speaker 1: was done. Our bullpen obviously has not performed well as
20:39
Speaker 1: of late, except for Andres Munnos and Gabe Spire apparently
20:44
Speaker 1: was not available last night with some sort of mysterious
20:47
Speaker 1: back injury that popped up on his flight from Seattle
20:51
Speaker 1: to New York, so apparently he wasn't available. So Jose
20:55
Speaker 1: Ferrer came in in the sixth and was dominant sixteen
20:59
Speaker 1: pitch and man he looked as good as he's looked
21:02
Speaker 1: maybe all season long in that inning last night. But
21:05
Speaker 1: like Brian wu after the fifth, Dan Wilson didn't want
21:09
Speaker 1: to overtax anybody.
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Speaker 3: No, because why would you? Yeah, why would an important
21:13
Speaker 3: time of the season.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and decided one inning is good. We will face
21:19
Speaker 1: left handers. Two left handers to start the next inning,
21:23
Speaker 1: very good hitters with Michael Rucker who came out of
21:26
Speaker 1: the bullpen and proceeded to give up four base runners
21:29
Speaker 1: and the next five men that he faced, Edward Bizardo
21:33
Speaker 1: relieved him couldn't clean up his mess. And the next
21:37
Speaker 1: thing you know, the Mariners are down four to one
21:39
Speaker 1: and they just did not show any fight to come
21:42
Speaker 1: back once again from a more than two run deficit,
21:46
Speaker 1: and they lose the game four to one to fall
21:48
Speaker 1: to eight games under five hundred on the season. It
21:51
Speaker 1: prompted cal ralegh our featured guest appearance here today in
21:55
Speaker 1: the Baseball Brunch to meet the media, not just the
22:00
Speaker 1: Seattle media, but the New York media as well. He
22:03
Speaker 1: came out of the locker room in full uniform and
22:05
Speaker 1: decided he had something to say in the hallway after
22:10
Speaker 1: the game. Here's cow. Yeah, man, it's not good, not
22:15
Speaker 1: quite well.
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Speaker 6: Uh you knows such for me, you know, I'm auful.
22:21
Speaker 1: So it's uh, this is what it is.
22:23
Speaker 6: Just gotta got hall way to be better and to help,
22:26
Speaker 6: you know, bring the dock guys along.
22:28
Speaker 1: And they uh, you know, we just have one there.
22:32
Speaker 6: I mean, we're just playing very very very out of
22:35
Speaker 6: that's falling, you know, every every fast of the game.
22:38
Speaker 6: You'll gotta you gotta pick up you know, from the
22:41
Speaker 6: the nagers that going to the you know, executioner, to.
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Speaker 1: All things in the game to help you win baseball games.
22:47
Speaker 1: And and we're sean to hold that up.
22:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the first start to do.
22:51
Speaker 5: Would want to see this to taking operation.
22:55
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we just gotta we just we gotta
22:58
Speaker 6: bring that edge every day.
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Speaker 5: You know, it's tough, things are going your.
23:03
Speaker 6: Way and uh you know it's hard to feel like
23:07
Speaker 6: against you, but you gotta you know, you.
23:10
Speaker 1: Gotta have a good attitude.
23:11
Speaker 6: You gotta ultimately bring that edge to play every single
23:15
Speaker 6: day because it never given to you. You gotta go
23:17
Speaker 6: take it. Sometimes your feeling after yourself. You got lots
23:21
Speaker 6: of days out there you maybe maybe have a little
23:25
Speaker 6: less energy or maybe you don't have quite the edge
23:28
Speaker 6: that you should have every single day, and.
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Speaker 5: They don't.
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Speaker 1: You know, that starts me a lot of blame on yourself.
23:35
Speaker 1: You want to blame on the other players. Dan is
23:37
Speaker 1: taking a lot of blame and ores. Where are you
23:39
Speaker 1: at with that experience?
23:42
Speaker 6: I mean, ultimately, you know, the players decide the outcomes
23:46
Speaker 6: of these things.
23:47
Speaker 1: You know, obviously Dan has to say and who comes
23:49
Speaker 1: in and writes the line up?
23:50
Speaker 6: And you understand that at the end of the day,
23:52
Speaker 6: those twenty six guys have.
23:53
Speaker 1: To be ready to blame.
23:54
Speaker 6: You have to, you know, rely on each other.
23:56
Speaker 1: And that's where the performance complain.
23:58
Speaker 6: You know, Dan's playing eger he's out there playing what
24:02
Speaker 6: he's not out there pitching. You know, that's what it
24:05
Speaker 6: comes down to, comes out with the twenty six guys
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Speaker 6: in that locker room and around to lean on some
24:09
Speaker 6: different guys each night, and that you know starts in
24:12
Speaker 6: up outs and we just have to do a better
24:14
Speaker 6: job of relaying that and understanding I can't point fingers.
24:18
Speaker 6: We can't, yeah, says Jerry's fall and Nussell's fall or
24:23
Speaker 6: Dames Folly can't. It's not their fault, it's our call.
24:25
Speaker 6: Where we're the ones that are accept that. It's just
24:28
Speaker 6: the taut for audio of it. That's, like I said,
24:32
Speaker 6: is a bas later on the team. You know, I feel,
24:34
Speaker 6: you know, responsible, and you just have to do you know,
24:37
Speaker 6: I just have to do a better job of getting
24:41
Speaker 6: ready to go and be prepared and bring that you know,
24:44
Speaker 6: the edge, and that bringing this night and stuff like a.
24:48
Speaker 1: Sow rally after the game. Not the greatest audio in
24:54
Speaker 1: the world did get better, but it was important for
24:58
Speaker 1: us to replay that and just case maybe you didn't
25:01
Speaker 1: hear some of the highlights. He basically started off by saying,
25:04
Speaker 1: it starts with me, I'm awful. That's how he began it. Yes,
25:08
Speaker 1: and then said, we were playing very, very bad baseball
25:13
Speaker 1: in every facet. Now I don't think that's necessarily true
25:18
Speaker 1: every facet of the game. I thought you got some
25:20
Speaker 1: good starting pitching last night. Yeah, he added, we got
25:25
Speaker 1: to pick it up. We got to bring that edge
25:28
Speaker 1: every day, and we're not, which is very important. I mean,
25:31
Speaker 1: it's a cliche to say we got to play that
25:33
Speaker 1: edge every day. It suddenly does not become a cliche
25:37
Speaker 1: when you say we're not, which is something that let's
25:41
Speaker 1: face it, a lot of Mariner fans have been complaining
25:44
Speaker 1: about all season long, from Ashley to Dick Fane, to
25:48
Speaker 1: myself and to a lot of you that have corresponded
25:51
Speaker 1: with us or have a life there on social media.
25:55
Speaker 1: And it looks like they it looks like at times
25:59
Speaker 1: they don't they do right. It looks at times like
26:04
Speaker 1: they're not trying. They are, but there's a difference between
26:10
Speaker 1: trying and having that edge. And we've watched them play
26:16
Speaker 1: a couple of games this year, that first game of
26:18
Speaker 1: the Dodgers series where they seem to play with a
26:20
Speaker 1: different edge and you thought maybe that was going to
26:22
Speaker 1: kick start something. Didn't that four to two win over
26:25
Speaker 1: the Tigers. They seem to play with an edge that night.
26:30
Speaker 1: Thought maybe that was going to kickstart something. It didn't.
26:33
Speaker 1: So for the captain of the team, in essence, he
26:36
Speaker 1: doesn't wear a seed, but for the captain of the
26:38
Speaker 1: team to come out there and say we're not playing
26:40
Speaker 1: with the edge that we need to and again it
26:43
Speaker 1: starts with me and can't be pouting that it's not
26:47
Speaker 1: happening for us individually. We got to come together as
26:51
Speaker 1: a team. That in essence was the message. But is
26:53
Speaker 1: it too little, too late?
26:55
Speaker 2: And That's my fear is because obviously we know time wise, yes,
26:59
Speaker 2: we have time to overcome this deficit. I mean we
27:01
Speaker 2: just if you watched the fiftieth Anniversary special on Saturday,
27:04
Speaker 2: they talked about the nineteen ninety five team coming back
27:07
Speaker 2: from thirteen games down to end up winning the division
27:10
Speaker 2: in that going to that tiebreaker game and winning the division.
27:13
Speaker 2: So mathematically, no, they're not out of it. Time wise,
27:15
Speaker 2: they're not out of it. They've got plenty of time
27:18
Speaker 2: for the deficit they have. The problem is, Okay, where
27:22
Speaker 2: does that edge come from? Are you just going to
27:24
Speaker 2: decide to bring it today? And if that's what's happening,
27:26
Speaker 2: why didn't you decide to bring it last month or
27:29
Speaker 2: the month before?
27:31
Speaker 3: Like where has it been?
27:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't I don't think it's necessarily a decision.
27:34
Speaker 1: It's just a competitive fire.
27:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, where is that fire?
27:39
Speaker 1: Even when you are trailing four to one? Because Dan
27:42
Speaker 1: made a stupid decision and put Michael Rutger in the
27:44
Speaker 1: game last night, even when that backfired, And like me,
27:50
Speaker 1: you probably see Rucker on the mound and think the
27:52
Speaker 1: game's over, And the only one that doesn't is Dan Wilson.
27:55
Speaker 3: I wonder who would defend on the roster. Who would
27:57
Speaker 3: be defending that choice?
27:59
Speaker 1: I don't know, But where is that fire? Where is
28:02
Speaker 1: that competitive There's a difference between wanting to win and
28:06
Speaker 1: trying and having that competitive edge that might separate yourself
28:11
Speaker 1: from your opponent that day and pull out a victory.
28:15
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the Rucker thing and
28:16
Speaker 1: not just be glib and sarcastic about it. It's just
28:21
Speaker 1: mind blowing. I sent out a tweet on Saturday. They
28:25
Speaker 1: got a bit of attraction. I think the most astonishing
28:29
Speaker 1: thing that I've witnessed this entire season, and not just
28:32
Speaker 1: with the Mariners, but in all of baseball, is Dan
28:35
Speaker 1: Wilson's faith in Michael Rutger. Yeah, and then to last
28:39
Speaker 1: night put him in a one run game, up one
28:43
Speaker 1: nothing in the seventh inning. It makes just zero sense
28:49
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, this is the time to push
28:52
Speaker 1: guys who are actually effective. I know Ferrera has not
28:55
Speaker 1: been effective as of late, but he was last night,
28:57
Speaker 1: facing two left He's the very next inning. Let him
29:00
Speaker 1: go back out there, and that's where.
29:02
Speaker 2: The in game situation, the endgame awareness comes into play.
29:06
Speaker 2: Oh okay, wait, we can't just go with he goes
29:08
Speaker 2: out for winning and then he goes away because that's
29:11
Speaker 2: what we normally do. Look at how effective he was,
29:13
Speaker 2: maybe we should keep him.
29:14
Speaker 1: Well, the only reason to do that is so let's
29:16
Speaker 1: use it so we can use him tomorrow night. You
29:18
Speaker 1: don't know what the game's going to be like tonight.
29:20
Speaker 3: You've got to play for the day you're on.
29:22
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what happens when you're in mid August and
29:25
Speaker 1: you're four and a half games out of first place
29:27
Speaker 1: in seven games under five hundred. You can't play for
29:29
Speaker 1: tomorrow anymore, and you are taking fair and effective lefty
29:35
Speaker 1: knowing you don't have spire against the lineup that has
29:38
Speaker 1: seven left handers in it, and you're taking him out
29:41
Speaker 1: of the game because well, maybe we can use him tomorrow.
29:45
Speaker 1: We take him out now, we might be able to
29:46
Speaker 1: use tomorrow. You could have let him pitch one more
29:49
Speaker 1: inning and still use him today, yep. Or he could
29:51
Speaker 1: have kept Woo in it's not Or you could have
29:53
Speaker 1: kept Woo in last night if you know you're down
29:56
Speaker 1: a man, yep. And Michael Rucker this year has and
30:00
Speaker 1: good in mop up roles and terrible in close games.
30:07
Speaker 1: Interesting because that's what he is, a mop up guy.
30:11
Speaker 1: For any major league roster out there, and we're using
30:15
Speaker 1: him in high leverage situations way too much. And when
30:19
Speaker 1: I say we, I mean Dan, Yeah, Michael Rucker in
30:24
Speaker 1: close games trailing by two or fewer or leading to
30:27
Speaker 1: or by two or less. Seven games sent in this
30:32
Speaker 1: last month and a half because everybody keeps telling me,
30:34
Speaker 1: we go to two point seven eoe E RA in
30:37
Speaker 1: the last month and a half. But in close games
30:41
Speaker 1: he has a six point seven five ERA. And that's
30:44
Speaker 1: even excusing him for those two runs he gave up
30:47
Speaker 1: against Uh, who who do we play over the weekend?
30:51
Speaker 1: The rais oh yeah, yeah, when he was brought in
30:54
Speaker 1: in a when he was brought in for some unknown reason. Uh.
30:58
Speaker 1: And then he also allowed in an herited run in
31:01
Speaker 1: the tenth, So those don't count against his ZRA. But
31:04
Speaker 1: he's given up eight runs and six and two thirds
31:07
Speaker 1: innings when the game is close, when the games within
31:10
Speaker 1: one run and he's been brought in, which has been
31:14
Speaker 1: four times in that span, he's given up eight runs
31:19
Speaker 1: and two and two thirds innings. That's a twenty seven ERA,
31:23
Speaker 1: and not just the runs, eleven base runners. He's given
31:28
Speaker 1: up eleven base runners in two and two thirds innings.
31:31
Speaker 1: You got a encyclopedia stack of analytics that you're pouring over,
31:36
Speaker 1: and you just can't see fundamentally, he is not good
31:40
Speaker 1: in high leverage situations. He's never been in them before,
31:44
Speaker 1: and he does not perform well in them. There's enough evidence,
31:49
Speaker 1: and we keep going with him with the season completely
31:52
Speaker 1: on the line. And again, when I say we, I
31:57
Speaker 1: mean Dan, I don't know what the infatuation is with him.
32:03
Speaker 1: He's fine on the roster. I don't have a problem
32:05
Speaker 1: with Michael Rucker being on the roster. He's terrific in
32:08
Speaker 1: mop up situations because that's what he is. He's a
32:12
Speaker 1: mop up reliever. And we keep using him in high
32:14
Speaker 1: leverage situations with the season on the line, and it
32:17
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me. And we're not asking anybody
32:20
Speaker 1: else to push a little bit further to try to
32:23
Speaker 1: save us in this desperate situation. Nope, we're just gonna
32:26
Speaker 1: manage this like it's April eighth. What are we doing?
32:33
Speaker 1: All right? Coming up next, Actually we're gonna hear from
32:39
Speaker 1: Ryan Healy. I'll explain next. Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 1: three KJRFM. It's with us. Last week, we're having as
32:46
Speaker 1: I felt riveting conversation about whether or not MLB should
32:51
Speaker 1: go to a salary cap. And it turns out that
32:55
Speaker 1: Hugh Millen was a pioneer for the damn salary cap.
32:58
Speaker 1: He was there. He was a player up in the
33:00
Speaker 1: National Football League almost his entire career from year two on,
33:04
Speaker 1: and he was there when they were drafting the first
33:07
Speaker 1: collective arguing agreement in professional American sports that would include
33:12
Speaker 1: a salary cap. And so I didn't even realize that
33:15
Speaker 1: he was this fountain of knowledge. We tapped into it
33:17
Speaker 1: last week, and right when he got to the good
33:20
Speaker 1: part where he was getting ready to throw Scott Morris
33:22
Speaker 1: under the bus, we lost him. We lost him on
33:25
Speaker 1: the airwaves, and so we have to make up for this,
33:28
Speaker 1: and we're going to do that today at nine o'clock,
33:30
Speaker 1: So that's coming up at the top of the hour.
33:32
Speaker 1: But I did want to finish off this Mariner conversation,
33:35
Speaker 1: especially full circle Dan Wilson, cal Rowley's comments about trying
33:40
Speaker 1: to find the edge, all of that stuff. Yesterday we
33:43
Speaker 1: had Ryan Heally on and Ashley'll tell you, I was
33:45
Speaker 1: going to play his clip about the offense, but now
33:49
Speaker 1: it makes more sense to play this clip when we
33:52
Speaker 1: had Ryan Heally on because I asked him first of all,
33:54
Speaker 1: I asked him what does Dan Wilson bring to the table.
33:57
Speaker 1: And he had a nice reaction about that, and I said,
34:00
Speaker 1: offer one criticism of Dan. Tell me something you would
34:04
Speaker 1: be critical of of Dan. And here's what Ryan Healy said.
34:07
Speaker 1: It's a hard question, Chuck. I know it's a really
34:10
Speaker 1: hard question. I know what my answer is. How I
34:14
Speaker 1: say it matters a lot. I think we all see
34:17
Speaker 1: the postgame interviews, right, yeah, and they tend to blend
34:21
Speaker 1: together the pretty similar, pretty much the same thing, every game,
34:25
Speaker 1: same thing.
34:26
Speaker 2: So my.
34:28
Speaker 10: Hope, because I don't know this for certain, I'm not
34:30
Speaker 10: in those rooms and what the conversations are with the players,
34:34
Speaker 10: I hope that there is more matter of fact in
34:37
Speaker 10: truth spoken behind closed doors, and I hope that there's
34:41
Speaker 10: more accountability to what is actually true and happening behind
34:45
Speaker 10: closed doors.
34:46
Speaker 1: It may be and it may not be working.
34:48
Speaker 10: I don't know that, but I do hope that there
34:50
Speaker 10: is at least the truth being spoken from manager to
34:55
Speaker 10: player or coaches to players about what's happening right now
35:00
Speaker 10: throughout the course of the season. And I hope that
35:02
Speaker 10: he's not relaying the same message that he is to
35:05
Speaker 10: the media that he is to the team.
35:08
Speaker 1: Ryan Heley yesterday, that does not sound very interesting now
35:12
Speaker 1: based off of what we heard from cal yeah after
35:16
Speaker 1: the game last night.
35:17
Speaker 2: And yeah, and it's something that we've said as well,
35:19
Speaker 2: like Okay, if you're going to be out here and
35:20
Speaker 2: be bland, just please don't be doing that in there.
35:23
Speaker 3: That's it.
35:23
Speaker 1: And for him to be wondering about that, Yeah. And
35:26
Speaker 1: then for cal Raley at game one twenty of the
35:30
Speaker 1: season forty two to go to come out to the press,
35:36
Speaker 1: to instigate that little impromptu press conference and talk about
35:41
Speaker 1: how we're not playing with an edge, it does make
35:43
Speaker 1: you wonder if it's just as soft behind the scenes,
35:46
Speaker 1: does it not?
35:46
Speaker 3: It absolutely does.
35:48
Speaker 2: And cal Rawly was more critical of him and himself
35:51
Speaker 2: and his own teammates than Dan has ever been.
35:55
Speaker 3: I mean the act it was more critical of the
35:57
Speaker 3: team than Dan Wilson.
35:58
Speaker 1: In one press con we got more truth from maniacta
36:01
Speaker 1: and one without sounding like he threw anybody under the
36:05
Speaker 1: bus or was overly critical, just fair, just honest.
36:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, decided I'm not going to recap the game. I'm
36:11
Speaker 2: going to tell you what went wrong, and I'm also like,
36:14
Speaker 2: when I say Bryce didn't have it, I'm gonna say,
36:16
Speaker 2: but he figured it out because I was ready to
36:18
Speaker 2: pull him in the first inning.
36:19
Speaker 3: And I gotta give him a shout out for going five.
36:22
Speaker 1: And please, can we just somebody get to him and say,
36:25
Speaker 1: you can never say tough one tonight ever again?
36:28
Speaker 3: No ever.
36:29
Speaker 1: I mean, we have had fifty six wins this year
36:31
Speaker 1: and sixty four tough ones.
36:33
Speaker 3: Tonight, but we didn't fight till the end in all
36:36
Speaker 3: of them.
36:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have lost five tough ones tonight in a row.
36:41
Speaker 1: And this is where we are. Yeah, this lowliest state
36:45
Speaker 1: yet of this Major League Baseball season, and some things
36:49
Speaker 1: have got to change. And I just think Cal's rallying
36:53
Speaker 1: cry for more edge is like a month and a half,
36:56
Speaker 1: two months too late.
36:58
Speaker 3: I hope it's not, but it seems like it might be.
37:00
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