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Memoir of a Murderer | Full Movie Review / Ep. 78 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Tiba K Rambles where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas except it is spooky season and
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  we are back for another movie review.
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  For this episode I am joined by Jen and Marissa from the K3
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  YouTube and podcast. How are you guys?
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  Good. We're good.
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  Thanks. It's been a minute since you
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  guys have been on the podcast. The last time you guys were here
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  was for the Healer review, which was a ton of fun, but I thought
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  it would be fun to bring you guys back to do a review of the
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  movie Memoir of a Murderer. So how have you guys been?
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  What have you guys been up to? If you guys want to share with
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  the Tibock audience what you guys maybe have been watching in
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  the past week or so, K dramas, K movies, what have you.
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  Well, it's now mid-september and there was a post lovely runner
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  lull for a lot of people. So I'm currently watching Love
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  Next Door and Queen Wu and I don't know, my slate feels
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  really full right now. Also No Gain, no love, and it's
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  a it's been a pretty enjoyable fall.
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  It's not the obsessions that I was hoping for, but I'm fairly
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  happy right now. Got you.
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  Got you. Yeah, I'm also watching Love
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  Next Door. I think I'm on episode 5.
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  I have like no desire to keep going, but I have just, I
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  prematurely said I was going to do a podcast episode on it.
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  So I am going to finish the show in a timely manner.
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  So that's on my docket too. But.
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  I don't know. I see people dropping it left
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  and right. Yeah, it's yeah.
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  Anyway, Jen, how about you? I am with you Jess.
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  Love next door is got like one more week to give me something
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  to to anchor on or I'm dropping it.
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  But I am loving no gain no love and Cinderella at 2:00 AM.
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  If you haven't tried that little nugget out yet.
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  I'm loving that one. And then I also am loving
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  Blackout. If you are into crime and
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  thrillers. That one's fantastic.
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  It's on Hulu, It just dropped. They dropped the 1st 8 episodes
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  on Hulu. And it's a little bit their
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  release schedules a little wonky on Hulu because they dropped
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  them all at the same time and then nothing since September
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  1st. But it does look like the whole
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  series is going to be there. So yeah, but it's it's
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  spectacular. It's so good.
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  I like that. I like that blackout.
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  OK, yeah, I have a handful of dramas that are on my Finish
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  2024 list. That's just a personal list that
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  I want to finish these dramas because I've been completely out
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  of the loop for most of the year and the year hasn't been that
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  strong is what I'm hearing and what I'm feeling in the air and
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  the ether. So I'll add that one to the
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  list, including I'll I'll give No Gain No Love a shot as well
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  as Cinderella at 2 AMA shot because those two sound really
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  fun and cute. So yeah, I would also recommend
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  The Frog and if you're tuning into this podcast because you
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  you like a thriller and you like some violence and you like a
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  good looking Korean project product, then I highly recommend
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  The Frog on Netflix. Yes, with Komenshi, I think is
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  in that show. Yeah, I've heard good things
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  about that show too. There's like a handful of shows
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  here and there that like pop up and I'm like, oh, I got to add
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  that to my finished 2024 list, which is not very long,
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  admittedly. So anyway, we are going to just
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  do a a review of Memoir of a Murderer.
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  It is a feature length film. We are not going to be covering
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  All right, so I'm back to my roots here.
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  As I said before, back to some movies.
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  Let's get into it. This was a first time watch for
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  me. The IMDb synopsis for this movie
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  reads real quick. A former serial killer with
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  Alzheimer's fights to protect his daughter from her psychotic
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  boyfriend. That's it done.
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  Boom out. That was it, that was it.
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  That was all IMDb gave you. That's hilarious.
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  Literally. It So this movie was released on
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  September 7th, 2017, September 8th in the States.
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  It's an hour and 58 minutes long, basically two hours long.
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  It's directed by Wanchinon who's also directed The Suspect in
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  2013 with Kong Yu. 7 Days from O 7.
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  He was a writer for Rampant from 2018.
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  It's a zombie movie with Hyun Bin which I really enjoyed.
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  I don't know if you guys have seen some other stuff from this
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  director but. Rampant.
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  For sure rampant. Yeah, saw rampant.
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  I actually saw a suspect. OK.
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  That was during my Gong Yu Kong Yu phase, so I saw.
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  I watched that and Rampant for sure.
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  This movie was written, it was 2 writers.
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  The first writer is Huang Zhou Yun and when I saw the list of
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  movies that this person has written I was like oh shit.
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  So a screenwriter for Old Boy Masquerade and Rampant.
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  So this makes a lot of sense. So worked with the director.
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  This definitely had an old boy like feel to.
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  It for sure on your first sight. On your first sight, when I saw
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  Old Boy I about fell back like 5 feet.
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  So yeah, I'm assuming you guys have watched Old Boy, the Pak
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  Tanuk 2003 film. I have not, but I read all the
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  synopsises for it, so I know I know what the big reveal.
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  Is God. This felt very old, Boy asked.
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  OK, I'm not sure. I have sat through the movie.
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  It's horrifying, OK? I guess I'm the only one who's
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  been traumatized here. So last year and it's on the
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  Patreon feed. Actually, I went and I did the
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  whole Vengeance trilogy from Pak Chon Luke and I reviewed it
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  solo. I just like decided to dive deep
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  and pop my Pak Chung Cherry, so to speak and like.
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  Did all three movies. You went hard.
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  And when I got to old boy, I was like, have I was I don't know
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  what to what to say. I the experience of watching old
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  boy with traumatized me. Yeah, I there there's I'm still
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  reeling. There's nothing but trauma to
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  say about that. Literally.
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  Yeah, literally. That's it.
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  So that's it. The fact that this writer
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  contributed to my trauma. Right.
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  Says a lot. They wrote Masquerade from 2012
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  which is an excellent excellent. It's a movie with Ebengun.
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  Yeah, that's a good one. That's really good.
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  Really good, and if you've seen the show The Crown Clown, this
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  is the movie. That it's based on.
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  I love the crown clown. Yes.
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  It's the same. It's the same king and clown,
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  yes. Yes.
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  Correct. I love it.
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  So moving on to the other screenwriter, Kimyonga wrote.
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  And then I again fell back 10 feet because when I saw this
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  movie on here, I was like, Oh my God.
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  It's the movie that started off for me.
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  They wrote A Moment to Remember from 2004, which I'm just sorry,
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  like, I need a minute, Chelsea. OK, I thought OK, because I was
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  like, Oh my God, this movie is what started my K drama journey.
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  Wow. I understand that.
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  Yes, it's a classic. Yeah.
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  Yeah. If you want some heartbreak,
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  then definitely watch the 2004 movie A Moment to Remember.
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  It makes a lot of sense because of the memory aspect of that
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  movie that ties in with this movie.
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  Memoir of a murderer. Yeah.
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  So this movie stars Sol Kyungu who plays Byongsu, the main
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  character. His daughter is only played by
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  Sol Hyon who I can't remember what K pop group she's part of.
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  Not AOA. It is AOA.
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  It is AOA. AOA and then Kim Nangil plays
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  Teju the psychotic boyfriend from the IMDb synopsis.
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  And then we have a few and then we have a few other bit players
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  like Odell SU plays Byung Man, the cop best friend E Byung Jun
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  plays the poetry instructor, which it's hard to like
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  visualize these people. But once you see like a picture
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  of them, you're like, Oh my God, I've seen these people in like a
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  million things. It's the Ajishi crew.
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  It's literally the Ajishi crew. And then Kimmei Yun plays young
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  Maria character Kimi Yun from Snowdrop this year.
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  Lovely runner. Runner which blew her up.
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  Everybody's knows her now. So that is our cast.
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  Oh God. That was her.
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  Yeah, that was her. It was like blinking.
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  You'll miss it. Oh God, I didn't recognize her
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  at all. Yeah, yeah.
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  And I've seen her in like 4 dramas.
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  I know as an adult I didn't even recognize her though.
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  You guys haven't mentioned Kilhey Young like she is like
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  she is like the how many to end all how many's like she does
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  everything from nuns to like the worst mom on the planet.
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  It's something in the rain. Literally I so the mom from
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  something in the rain is in this and she plays Maria, the sister.
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  And like, I guess that's all we'll say about that.
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  We're in the non spoiler section right now.
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  But like, yeah, she's in this. When I saw her, I was like a
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  nice nun character. Whoa, that's not heard of that
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  before. Well, you clearly did not watch
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  Midnight in the Midnight in the Hag one.
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  No, at midnight romance in the Hag one.
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  She was delightful. Bless her, OK?
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  She was she was delightful and she then she had scenes with we
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  had June when he was her son and something in the rain and all of
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  us were like, this is so surreal because she's not yelling at
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  him. It was great.
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  Right, exactly, exactly. There's history here.
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  All right, so we are at the end of this general section.
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  What did you guys think of this movie Memoir of a Murderer?
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  I think 1 of you had already seen it before, the other had
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  not. Yeah, so I remember watching
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  this, I think I think it was 2018, like as soon as it came
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  out on his streaming site. And I have memories of watching
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  it on a plane. Like I must have downloaded it
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  somehow. Watching it on a plane going, Is
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  this OK? Because I just kept going and
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  then it got so violent. I'm like, are there children
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  around me? But I, I really enjoyed it.
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  I watched it for Kim Nam Gill and stayed for his his kind of
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  duel with Silkyungyu. And it just I mean, that IMDb
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  synopsis just just barely scratches the surface.
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  Yeah, I know it was like AI generated like could be 50 other
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  films released that year. But it I mean, it begs the
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  question, who knows a serial killer better than another
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  serial killer? And I just thought that was such
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  a fascinating twist on the genre.
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  Yeah, yeah. It was enjoyable and visually of
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  just stunning. I thought that the way the
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  director used visuals and editing techniques and the
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  music, I thought it was amazing. The story itself fell flat, kind
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  of flat for me because I was expecting more of a twist, for
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  lack of a better word, there at the end.
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  And the twist was almost that there was no twist.
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  So, yeah, that was that was my my overall thought that I was, I
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  was a little bit disappointed because I all the visual cues
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  that they gave US-led me down a different path.
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  So yeah, I I agree with you. I think, Well, I agree that I
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  thought that there was going to be a twist because this was my
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  first time watching this movie and again, I'm scarred with Pak
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  Januk dramas. I've scarred with the, you know,
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  punching holes. And so I came into this thinking
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  there's gonna be a twist. It's gonna there's gonna be a
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  gotcha in the. Movie yeah, I was expecting
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  we're not going spoilers so I'll I'll hold that it's a spoiler
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  spoiler section. Yeah, yeah, well, I'll cue us
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  when we're in the spoiler. Section, but sorry, no, no, it's
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  fine. Yeah, I was excited to watch
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  this movie because also I came in blind.
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  Like I didn't even read the IMDb synopsis.
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  I like literally just press play and was like, OK, surprise me,
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  Memoir of a murderer. I was like, OK, they're not
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  going to surprise us by who's the murderer because it's going
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  to be whoever is telling us their life story, their memoir.
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  But I was like, how what? What else?
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  Like what else is the story going to be about?
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  I was surprised that it had. It felt a lot like Memento in
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  that like this person is fighting their mind, their
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  fractured mind, and how there is large quantities of time missing
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  and they are trying to piece together what they've forgotten.
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  And I really liked that aspect of it, that the editing and the
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  way that certain things are shot makes you confused.
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  And that's what I imagine experiencing dementia or
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  Alzheimer's is like. Unfortunately, I have direct
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  experience with dementia and Alzheimer's in my life with
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  family members who have gone through the disease and
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  progressed through it, and you just have to laugh to keep from
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  crying. There's a lot of liberties that
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  they took, I would say with it, but I personally don't feel like
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  it was Alzheimer's or dementia. It was just brain damage.
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  Right. It was just brain damage that
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  progressed throughout the 17 years and, you know, it
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  manifests tested in this really unique way with like his little
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  ticks and his episodes and things like that.
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  It wasn't necessarily, you know, the slow ravaging of time that
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  is typical of the brain shrinkage.
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  Sure. Of dementia, things like that.
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  Right. I mean, the fact that they're
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  letting him drive. Right, like they had.
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  The big I was like. Drive live at home.
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  Yeah. You know, like they have like
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  maybe that's a maybe no. No, he was out here performing
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  his daily functions as if he wasn't severely impaired.
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  He had his business running still with the veterinary
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  business, injecting little cats and animals.
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  I was like, he they're letting him do all this, that he should
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  be done, like this business should be sold by now, like the
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  way that he's at. Yeah.
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  So they took a lot of liberties. And I don't know if it was a
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  it's a cultural thing as well with Korea, I don't know, like
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  is it just a movie or is it a little bit of both?
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  So I think that's. Part of it that your lead, your
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  protagonist is an unreliable narrator exactly and an anti
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  hero. So it's just, I don't, I, I
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  would like to think that most people with Alzheimer's in Korea
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  are taken care of in some way that doesn't involve their
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  teenage daughter taking care of them at home in the countryside
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  with still going out on dates. With a recorder as his only
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  device for remembering. Like those are like the recorder
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  was the tattoos and memento like it's yeah.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  Yeah, it's got its little things.
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  Actually jumping on yes anding your memento.
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  I kept thinking it was, I kept thinking were going to get like
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  a Shutter Island situation. And I was like waiting for the
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  big Shutter Island reveal. And then maybe that's why I was
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  like, oh, all right, yeah, that did not happen.
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  Because. Of all the, all the cutting, all
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  the editing and the way we would go from one location to another
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  location just very quickly. And like there was that one
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  scene where he was talking to his cop buddy and then all of a
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  sudden his cop buddy just got up and his cop car just rolled up
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  and he just got into it and he left like as if he just called
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  an Uber that arrived. It was like stuff like that made
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  me think that there was, it was all going on in his mind.
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  That's all. So that made me give me very
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  much a Shutter Island idea, kind of like what you said, Memento.
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  It just made me think that again, as also, as Marissa said,
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  just not a reliable narrator. Like what are we actually
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  witnessing here? Because everything seems to be
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  there's no real flow to it. It's just kind of jumping all
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  over the place. And so that's, that was what, as
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  I was watching it, I kept waiting for that big reveal.
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  Yeah, I'm not sure if we ever get it and it starts.
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  Right. This isn't much of A spoiler,
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  but the movie starts where how it ends, and then we find out
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  like all the in between bits, like what happens to get us to
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  that part that we saw at the very beginning of the movie.
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  And yeah, I thought that, you know, with his shoes being on,
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  you know, the wrong foot and stuff.
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  I was like, oh, yeah, this is going to be like a shit show.
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  Like some twist is going to happen.
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  And then at one point in the movie, we even in the movie, we
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  see his shoes are placed in the wrong backwards.
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  So I'm like, oh, that's another clue.
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  And I'm like, no, it's not. Wait.
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  Yeah, I but I thought, you know, overall it was a very I mean,
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  there was maybe the movie is slightly too long for what it
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  is. Maybe the movie isn't doing
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  anything crazy with the cinematography.
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  Like this isn't like Roger Deakins here, but that's fine.
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  But I really appreciated how it is setting a tone.
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  It does have like the bamboo forest, which is really nice to
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  look at. It's very picturesque.
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  I feel like there's something too it's.
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  Creepy as hell. And it's creepy as shit.
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  Creepy as hell like did was it just me or did he have it like
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  all gritted off as if he was like I have dead bodies here
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  like like he's being super what is?
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  It just with. It right?
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  I know, it was so creepy. And these small towns are always
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  empty. Right.
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  Like he's dragged that many bodies.
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  I mean, he's a serial killer. There's a there's.
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  He's left a lot in his wake and no ones figured it out.
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  Right. Like they're not like there's
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  not like there's 30 missing people that we can't account
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  for. It's like.
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  I know I'd like the friend. Well, anyway, we'll get into
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  like a little bit more in the spoilers section, but how did
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  you guys feel about the acting performances from everybody?
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  I know that one of you wanted to watch it because of Kim Nam Gil
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  specifically. So how'd you guys feel about
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  them? Yes, Kim Nam Gil, he's such a
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  chameleon. He, I mean, if you look at him
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  in Fiery Priest where he's just this kind of wackadoo, you know,
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  martial arts wielding priest with this weird sense of humor
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  and then you know, some of his melodramas and then you've got
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  this, which is what did IMDb call him Psychotic boyfriend?
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  Psychotic boyfriend. Yeah, yeah, he was.
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  Definitely. He was definitely the definition
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  of that because you would. But that's the where the
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  unreliable narrator comes in because.
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  And I don't think the film went far enough with this.
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  But like, should I believe him? Because he's so charming and
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  he's so handsome and he's so nice to this young woman.
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  So I really enjoyed his performance.
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  So Kyung Gu was, you know, I think the last thing I saw him
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  in recently was Kill Buck Soon. Yeah.
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  On Netflix. I'm like, is this the same
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  actor? He's such a like, lost Ajushi
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  grandpa with, you know, brain damage from I don't know how
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  many car accidents. But he.
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  I thought was very compelling and but I do have to say Saul
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  Young I thought was a weak link who played his daughter was a
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  weak link in this film. OK.
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  All right. Yeah.
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  Jen, do you, do you agree with the assessment on?
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  I absolutely agree with her assessment.
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  I came to it. I would never have watched this
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  if you had not asked us to, or if I was on a huge Kim Nam
• 21:47
  Gilkek. And it was lovely to see him
• 21:49
  play kind of outside of his usual repertoire of characters
• 21:54
  he usually plays. But I feel like there was
• 21:57
  definitely a theme there that he's kind of got that little.
• 21:59
  He's got a little bit of a sassy streak that I think in all his
• 22:02
  characters came through. I on one hand believed 100% that
• 22:05
  he was a serial killer. And yet in the same in the same
• 22:08
  vein, also was like, there's no way because again, unreliable
• 22:11
  narrator, but I thought he did a nice job of threading that
• 22:14
  needle throughout most of the most of the the movie.
• 22:17
  And this is my first time seeing so Kungu.
• 22:20
  So he was new to me. I have nothing really to base it
• 22:23
  on. But I really believe, like you
• 22:24
  had said earlier, Jess, that if he did portray, I thought the
• 22:28
  ravages of brain damage very well.
• 22:31
  Like I was as confused as he was.
• 22:33
  And I thought he portrayed how confusing and disorienting that
• 22:37
  was. I thought you did a really great
• 22:38
  job with that. And then, yeah, that.
• 22:39
  I mean, I thought the daughter was, you know, she was, she
• 22:42
  seemed like in a different show, to be perfectly honest, until
• 22:44
  the last act. I felt like she was kind of in a
• 22:47
  like some some like ROM kami slice of life, picturesque, our
• 22:54
  bluesy kind of of drama. And so, you know, I mean, she
• 23:00
  never really I mean, again, unreliable narrator, but we
• 23:03
  never heard her talk about her mom who just suddenly
• 23:05
  disappeared. We never heard we never really
• 23:08
  got we didn't really learn much about her.
• 23:10
  So I don't know if that's part of it where we just didn't get,
• 23:13
  we just didn't have enough with her except his, our main
• 23:17
  protagonist's view of her, right?
• 23:19
  So that's all we got. So maybe that maybe she did what
• 23:22
  she was supposed to do, but I didn't feel like it was horribly
• 23:25
  dynamic. Oh, I see it.
• 23:26
  Didn't Take Me Out, but it I didn't think it was horrible.
• 23:29
  I see. I can, I can agree with that,
• 23:31
  that she was very two-dimensional, but that's how
• 23:35
  he's, I guess viewed her is just that's just his daughter and she
• 23:38
  comes and goes and she feeds me and then that's it.
• 23:41
  Like, there's not much there to it.
• 23:45
  And yeah, it's only until the third act that I'm like, OK,
• 23:48
  like we could, we're getting a little, you know, stakes here in
• 23:51
  something. Yeah.
• 23:53
  From her. Also the the woman in the poetry
• 23:56
  class, I've seen her in a bunch of traumas.
• 24:00
  She's she's played a. Shaman, she's played, she's
• 24:03
  played, you know, she's always a little overdressed.
• 24:08
  The heels are always a little high, the lipsticks always a
• 24:10
  little red, redder than everyone else, and.
• 24:14
  As soon as she's so. Funny and actually that was
• 24:17
  that's what I was surprised that there was humor in this film.
• 24:20
  And so you need someone like Kim Nam Gill to to carry that off or
• 24:25
  someone is probably very experienced.
• 24:27
  So Kyungu. So to have this character I
• 24:30
  should just look up her name because.
• 24:32
  It's Huang Sook Jung. Yeah, so you kind of the moment
• 24:36
  you see her, you know what's gonna happen to her character.
• 24:39
  Oh my God, the second she went chasing after the first time,
• 24:42
  like I'm sorry pumpkin, it was good knowing.
• 24:45
  Marked for Danielle. On you.
• 24:46
  Yeah, there's 2 serial killers in this film.
• 24:49
  You're not getting out alive. You are not making it to the
• 24:52
  third act, my friend. You were gonna trigger the third
• 24:54
  act. Thank you very much.
• 24:55
  Nice to meet you. Oh my God.
• 24:59
  I guess that leads into because you guys are talking about
• 25:02
  comedic bits of the movie and comedic characters like this
• 25:06
  one. Did the movie scare you at all?
• 25:09
  Did it thrill you at all? Hell yeah.
• 25:11
  I thought it. I did, yeah.
• 25:13
  Maybe that's because I was first time I watched it.
• 25:15
  I was on a plane like. Yeah.
• 25:17
  Feeling like being 35? 1000 that'll get shit real, real
• 25:22
  good. I have to say it did not, I
• 25:27
  mean, again, maybe it's just because, you know, I, it was not
• 25:31
  one of my first Korean thrillers that I've watched.
• 25:34
  And I feel like I also did this, unfortunately, with Train to
• 25:37
  Pusan where everyone was like, Oh my God, the zombies are
• 25:40
  terrifying. And I'm like, I can't watch
• 25:42
  that. And then I watched Kingdom and
• 25:44
  then I watched something else with zombies.
• 25:46
  And then I'm like, all right, I need to watch Train to Pusan and
• 25:48
  then I'm. Like, oh, you like backed?
• 25:49
  Into it. These aren't that scary.
• 25:51
  What do you mean? It's because I've, you know, so
• 25:53
  I kind of ruined it for myself because that the speed and the,
• 25:58
  you know, the dynamic of those zombies at that time is the
• 26:01
  first time we've kind of seen that.
• 26:02
  But I had already experienced it through the dramas.
• 26:04
  And I feel like that's kind of what happened to me here, that I
• 26:08
  kind of was like, I was always waiting for something to happen.
• 26:11
  And then it, you know, I, I, so I feel like, yeah.
• 26:14
  And I'm also watching Blackout right now.
• 26:16
  And so Blackout is much more like, oh, my God.
• 26:20
  Oh my God, that happened. Oh my God.
• 26:23
  Because it's kind. It's actually weirdly kind of
• 26:25
  similar because he is accused of murdering two of his classmates
• 26:29
  when he's 19 years old. And it's the reason he and he
• 26:33
  can't remember because they claim he drank so much he
• 26:35
  blacked out, hence the title. And so he ends up in jail for 10
• 26:39
  years, gets out, goes back to his hometown, they all hate him,
• 26:42
  obviously, and things start happening and he's trying
• 26:45
  desperately to get his memory back, to learn what happened
• 26:50
  back then. And so it is, and it might.
• 26:52
  And again, it might be just like I said, it might be a this movie
• 26:55
  might have been a casualty of me watching Blackout at the same
• 26:59
  time. I wonder because I watched this
• 27:01
  in 2018. I think I started watching K
• 27:04
  dramas in 2016, so still fairly new and I don't think I'd seen
• 27:08
  that many thrillers at that. And this is also like pre
• 27:11
  Parasite, which is the twist of all twists in Korean films.
• 27:15
  So it's yeah. So I can see like if it's on, if
• 27:19
  you watch it later, it doesn't have the.
• 27:22
  Yeah. Oomph that you're waiting.
• 27:24
  For right, especially I mean like for real parasite, you're
• 27:27
  like what? That was, yeah.
• 27:30
  I didn't feel like this movie had that what moment at all?
• 27:34
  I was just kind of like, oh. Yeah, it was like, it was
• 27:37
  definitely like a oh. Really.
• 27:42
  Seriously, that's me. When it finally ended, I went.
• 27:48
  I wish you guys could see our faces right now because we are
• 27:51
  just making these crazy faces, as we say, 20 different ways.
• 27:57
  But yeah, I agree with you guys that I was fully expecting to be
• 28:02
  thrilled and scared. And I think I only was scared
• 28:06
  one time. And it was a jump scare that we
• 28:08
  could talk about in the spoiler section.
• 28:11
  And then the rest of the movie, I was like, you know how you go
• 28:15
  through a haunted house and you're like peeking around the
• 28:17
  corner? You're like, I see the dark
• 28:18
  corner, I'm expecting it. And then you look with the
• 28:21
  flashlight and nothing's there. That was like a movie.
• 28:27
  Wait. I'm fine.
• 28:28
  I'm good. All right.
• 28:29
  Oh, Nope, not there either. Oh.
• 28:32
  Nope, you're like it's just the dark corner, like, you know,
• 28:37
  yeah, it you it was fine. There's nothing inherently bad
• 28:42
  about the movie and I do feel like it's maybe I watched it at
• 28:47
  the wrong time in my K movie journey, where I've watched
• 28:53
  already a lot of things and I've already watched all the Pak
• 28:56
  Chung nooks and I've watched the pong junior right the train to
• 29:00
  Busan I. Mean, coming off of a Pak Chung
• 29:03
  Wuk marathon, this one was not gonna was not gonna meet.
• 29:06
  It's not gonna touch. At all.
• 29:08
  Not even at all. Not even at all.
• 29:11
  Yeah. It was gonna be.
• 29:13
  It was gonna be lacking. Yeah.
• 29:14
  I, but I think, you know, the whole reason for doing this,
• 29:17
  this this spooky season and for doing movies are obviously this
• 29:21
  this year is because I didn't have enough time to watch an
• 29:24
  entire spooky drama. So I thought, you know, let's
• 29:27
  cover movies. I love movies anyways.
• 29:30
  And a lot of Korean watchers don't like spooky stuff.
• 29:35
  They don't like scary movies. They don't like horror genre as
• 29:39
  a genre. And so I always like to
• 29:42
  highlight these things and I'm like, you know, let's, you know,
• 29:44
  get out of our comfort zone. Every so often it is spooky
• 29:46
  season. This is the perfect time to like
• 29:49
  try something new. And it's only two hours and
• 29:52
  we're all three of us are saying you can do it.
• 29:56
  You can watch memoir of a murderer and you'll be fine.
• 29:58
  I mean, let's. Let's be honest, it's the length
• 30:01
  of this whole movie is like a length of like a love love next
• 30:05
  door episode, for God's sake. So oh.
• 30:08
  So get me started on the length of episodes in Cage.
• 30:10
  I don't know. Anyway, I think it's worth
• 30:15
  trying and I think we're going to close out the non spoiler
• 30:19
  section which is giving our scores out of fives hold you
• 30:22
  bottles. So whoever wants to go first
• 30:26
  score out of five, soldier by 5 being the best, 0 being not so
• 30:30
  great. You can give half half bottles
• 30:32
  as well half scores. I'd give it a 3 1/2.
• 30:36
  Oh my God, So was that. Yeah.
• 30:37
  Exactly. What I was going to give it, All
• 30:39
  right, all right. Yeah.
• 30:41
  All right. I think I will go ahead and give
• 30:44
  it, I don't know, just to be contrary and fresh, I'll give it
• 30:48
  4. But I am known to be that person
• 30:52
  that changes my score in letterbox like months later.
• 30:56
  I'd be like, why did I give that a four?
• 30:58
  Why did I give that a four and a half?
• 30:59
  And I'll change it to be lower. I almost never change something
• 31:03
  to be higher. It's like the recency bias and
• 31:06
  the high of watching something will wear off and then I'll be
• 31:10
  like, whoa, what was I thinking there?
• 31:12
  And then I'll drop a score. So I'm going to go ahead and
• 31:15
  give my initial 4 Sochu bottles for this and it will likely drop
• 31:20
  to 3 1/2 later. OK.
• 31:23
  But I'll give it four. It's solid, It's not perfect,
• 31:27
  it's very watchable, it's very atmospheric.
• 31:30
  And if you've never watched Memento or these other movies
• 31:34
  that we're referencing, then it's probably going to get you
• 31:38
  right. Like some of these like tricks
• 31:41
  and editing things are going to get you.
• 31:42
  So I, I think it's, it's worth it for for a certain audience
• 31:46
  members. So with that being said, we are
• 31:48
  going to get into the spoiler section and talk a little bit
• 31:50
  more in detail about this movie right after this The Greatest
• 31:56
  Trick. Houston, we have a problem.
• 31:58
  I am the father. I see dead people.
• 32:01
  The devil ever pulled. Pay no attention to that man
• 32:04
  behind the curtain. Was convincing the world you
• 32:07
  can't handle the. It didn't exist, no.
• 32:10
  What's in the box? All right, we're on the other
• 32:15
  side of spoilers. I know we kind of did a few
• 32:17
  spoilers in the other in the non spoiler section, but we are
• 32:20
  going to do a little bit of a deep dive here on the memoir of
• 32:24
  a murderer film. Jen, I hear you have a question
• 32:27
  for us. I do and I'm this is the this is
• 32:29
  the big Kahuna spoiler of the whole movie.
• 32:32
  But can someone explain the ending to me?
• 32:34
  OK, I had, I was. So I literally had to go to the
• 32:40
  Googler to be like, someone explained the ending to me
• 32:43
  because I don't know what just happened at all.
• 32:45
  Like is is I had spent the whole movie being like, is he actually
• 32:50
  Kim Nam Gill and this is just him reliving all of his murders?
• 32:53
  OK, No, because they actually fought and people died.
• 32:56
  So that's not it. Is Kim Nam Gill actually his
• 32:58
  son? And then the Locket thing
• 32:59
  happened and then it was like, is he just trapped in his own
• 33:02
  memory? Like I yeah, it's the last one.
• 33:04
  He's. Trapped in his own.
• 33:06
  In. His own memory, yeah.
• 33:08
  He, he really ingrained in him the knee.
• 33:12
  It's almost like Inception, where it's like you're waiting
• 33:15
  for a train and then that character can't get out of her
• 33:19
  head. It's waiting for.
• 33:19
  The world to fall over. Yeah, we're just waiting, right?
• 33:24
  So Marianne Cotillard's character and Inception, like
• 33:27
  can't get out of her head that her world isn't real even after
• 33:30
  she comes to out of the dream. So the same thing is kind of
• 33:33
  happening to him, that even after the danger is well past
• 33:37
  and he's now in an assisted living facility or some
• 33:42
  institutionalized or something, after this whole thing blows
• 33:46
  over, he's still left with I need to save her from whatever
• 33:52
  that character's name was, like Teju.
• 33:53
  Oh yeah, Kim Mintego. Kim Teju, I need to save her
• 33:57
  from Kim Teju. I have to kill Kim Teju.
• 34:00
  Hi. That's how I interpreted it.
• 34:03
  I mean, no, thank you. Okay, that's how I interpreted
• 34:06
  it, but I was hoping for something a little juicier than
• 34:08
  that because I was like, I don't know where this.
• 34:11
  Okay, now The thing is, I don't know how the hell he got out of
• 34:13
  the facility. Well, that's I don't think he
• 34:15
  did. I think he was in we're gonna go
• 34:16
  with that. I think he was in his own mind
• 34:20
  and the tunnel. I kind of felt like the tunnel
• 34:21
  was like his brain of some. Sort, yeah.
• 34:25
  That's kind of how I interpreted originally.
• 34:28
  And then we got the whole movie and then I was really like
• 34:30
  boggled by the end of. Those because there was, I don't
• 34:33
  know how he got, because he also somehow got his hands on
• 34:37
  medication that he was going to inject himself with a like a
• 34:40
  lethal injection. And I was like.
• 34:42
  That's Was that real? How is that?
• 34:44
  Even happening in a secure facility.
• 34:48
  I don't think so I think that's his mind and he, you know it,
• 34:53
  it's what's keeping him alive. This need to go after him 'cause
• 34:57
  that tunnel, every time you see it in the film represents some
• 35:01
  sort of fantasy or alternate reality or some, you know, time
• 35:08
  travel portal the tunnel the. Tunnel.
• 35:11
  It's the tunnel. It's the tunnel I would have
• 35:14
  enjoyed a lot. It was time travel.
• 35:17
  OK. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:19
  I'm glad that we talked that over because I thought that was
• 35:21
  a real tunnel and he was out like off the res and I couldn't
• 35:25
  wrap my head around that part, like the logistics of him
• 35:28
  actually making it out. I don't think so.
• 35:31
  Well, I don't think so either and I but I also thought that
• 35:34
  bookending the movie with that also a on one hand makes a ton
• 35:39
  of sense and yet on another hand makes me more not confused but
• 35:44
  really just solidifies the unreliable narrator of what did
• 35:48
  we just watch. For two hours, yeah.
• 35:51
  Yeah, I think it just got a little existential at the end,
• 35:54
  you know? You know, I like concrete
• 35:57
  things, Marissa. I know you do.
• 36:02
  I'm a Virgo. I need it to be concrete like
• 36:05
  the earth. This.
• 36:08
  Yeah, this was like, not that this was like that at all.
• 36:11
  It. Wasn't no Jenny is an
• 36:12
  explanation. What happening?
• 36:16
  But see, I think that for me, I enjoy like having the detective
• 36:19
  that kind of walks you through it and explains it and kind of
• 36:22
  gives you those guideposts where you're just like, like
• 36:25
  Inception, like Inception had kind of someone that took us
• 36:28
  through all the different things.
• 36:30
  I don't remember who that was. I don't remember all the
• 36:32
  details, but I found it to be satisfying because it was like,
• 36:34
  hey, did you notice this? This.
• 36:39
  This is important, you know? Yeah, I mean.
• 36:42
  There's always these like exposition, exposition dumps in
• 36:46
  the movie. And like Leo does one that's one
• 36:48
  of my favourites in Inception where he just like he says like,
• 36:52
  how did we get here? Do you remember coming here?
• 36:56
  And the whole world starts to shake and he's like, this is
• 36:58
  your first experience and shared dreaming right now.
• 37:00
  And it's like, that is a crazy moment.
• 37:04
  And you know, he explains stuff. Oh my God, right after.
• 37:07
  That that's funny. We're talking Inception and
• 37:09
  Shutter Island, which is also a Leo Leo movie.
• 37:11
  Leo, Leo clearly is my guidepost guy for wacky movies.
• 37:18
  Like, I just needed him to make a cameo and be like, Jen, this
• 37:20
  is what you should be paying attention to.
• 37:22
  It's like, thank you, Leo. Thank you.
• 37:24
  Oh. My God.
• 37:25
  So I appreciated the fact that he he made-up the sister like
• 37:31
  the sister was a hallucination. Yeah.
• 37:35
  I thought that was so cruel. I was like, oh shit, like that
• 37:39
  was a twist. I felt that was that landed
• 37:42
  pretty well. It did.
• 37:45
  It did. I was expecting, I don't know.
• 37:47
  I think it landed and then I went, oh, well, we can't do that
• 37:50
  twice. So that's the twist of him not
• 37:52
  being the OK, all right. Yeah, that was a good twist.
• 37:56
  And the the whole replaying the whole scene of him putting his
• 38:00
  daughter in the taxi and then playing the reality, what really
• 38:03
  happened was like the reality was so much worse.
• 38:08
  I'm like, he's literally putting her in the car with her
• 38:11
  psychotic boyfriend. Serial killer.
• 38:13
  Yes, right. And he thinks he's putting her
• 38:15
  in a taxi. It's it's just so.
• 38:17
  Oh my. God, I will say that was
• 38:19
  probably the best, the best moment in the whole movie for
• 38:21
  me, because that was that was the kind of shit I love when I
• 38:24
  watch. He's like, Oh my.
• 38:26
  No. Yeah, like that.
• 38:29
  So I wanted more of that. His unraveling there is so like,
• 38:33
  you're like, Oh my God, he's like fucked it up, didn't he?
• 38:37
  Because like he it wasn't even that he forgot that she's dating
• 38:41
  a serial killer. It's that she he actively like,
• 38:45
  put her in harm's way and shoved her off to the guy that he's
• 38:50
  trying to keep her away from. Yeah, you know that little
• 38:54
  recorder probably should have started every day with your
• 38:57
  sister is not around anymore. That recorder could have been
• 39:02
  much more handy. Just really good, completely
• 39:05
  brutal, more handy. I just got off watching.
• 39:08
  It's OK. That's love.
• 39:09
  I don't know if you guys have seen that K drama, but there's a
• 39:12
  similar twist in that in that show.
• 39:16
  And so when the sister wasn't there, I was like, oh, not
• 39:19
  again, not again, not twice in one week, twice in one week.
• 39:25
  I was like. Yeah, there are some tropes that
• 39:29
  just don't come around that often, and that's the.
• 39:32
  Right, like the mental illness it's struggling with some sort
• 39:37
  of psychosis does not happen that often.
• 39:41
  It's it's kind of rare nowadays. So yeah, man, I got bamboozled
• 39:46
  twice in one week. That's rough.
• 39:49
  That's rough. It's rough.
• 39:50
  It's rough out year, bro. I also, I thought that the the
• 39:55
  show, I thought that the movie kind of hit its stride when it
• 39:59
  started to delve into the theme of nature versus nurture for
• 40:04
  serial killers. Did you guys feel any type of
• 40:06
  way about that? I did, but I also thought it was
• 40:10
  completely out of left field that Kim Nam Gill had an entire
• 40:14
  divot bro his skull. You should have seen me at work
• 40:19
  today when he started fixing his hair.
• 40:22
  So the whole thing is he actually starts fixing his hair
• 40:26
  in the mirror, in the mirror almost like obsessively.
• 40:30
  And I'm like OK, weird. Then he takes his whole half
• 40:33
  skull off. His whole head off.
• 40:35
  Like and I was like, the fuck is going?
• 40:37
  On like this. Did not.
• 40:40
  This was not in my bingo card at all.
• 40:42
  No, like it was like, again, going back to maybe it's all
• 40:47
  just brain damage. Brain damage.
• 40:48
  Clearly, yes, clearly when you are missing 1/4 of your cranium,
• 40:55
  maybe a little bit of maybe a touch of brain damage.
• 40:59
  But just a touch, just a little touch sprinkling.
• 41:03
  Just a NAB. Her visa.
• 41:06
  Shaking her head. She's just like, I can't.
• 41:09
  The amount of abuse in this in this film, Oh my God.
• 41:15
  I know. It's like, I mean you.
• 41:16
  Can't the way that it. Starts like with our lead silk
• 41:20
  young Gu like, you know, he starts killing people who air
• 41:24
  quotes deserve it. I'm like I'm like, OK, sure.
• 41:28
  So we can feel good about him. We'll keep following him because
• 41:31
  he's really, you know, he's getting rid of people.
• 41:35
  Dexter. Total noble Dexter type.
• 41:38
  Yeah. And then it's just it was a lot.
• 41:41
  He killed a lot of people, Like a lot of people.
• 41:44
  It started going like from child abusers and like people that
• 41:49
  beat their dog to death. So like animal abusers down to
• 41:53
  like this person looked at me wrong and they annoyed me and I
• 41:57
  was like, oh, okay, that's that's it.
• 42:01
  That doesn't quite track very well.
• 42:03
  No, you've you've gone off the rails now.
• 42:07
  We have now crossed. We have now crossed into just
• 42:09
  full on cereal. There's no.
• 42:11
  Yeah, yeah. Right.
• 42:12
  I did appreciate Kim Nam Gill being like, we're exactly the
• 42:15
  same. You thought they deserved it
• 42:18
  because, you know, God chose them for you.
• 42:20
  Or like that kind of a thing. Like someone else told you they
• 42:23
  were bad. I just choose them because I
• 42:25
  want to do it. Yeah, Like, yeah.
• 42:28
  And I'm like he had. The right idea like they are
• 42:30
  both equal amounts of fucked up and they chose their victims the
• 42:34
  way they chose their victims. It's just going to end up in an
• 42:37
  FBI like handbook anyway. It's not a it's he's trying to
• 42:43
  be like this holier than thou. I have a, you know, calling and
• 42:48
  purpose on my life to to kill these people and take them off
• 42:51
  the planet. And, you know, I feel like every
• 42:54
  serial killer has to have some sort of God complex.
• 42:57
  So it it was, it was interesting to see them together.
• 43:03
  I think that's when the movie was really cooking.
• 43:06
  I agree. I wish we would have seen more
• 43:08
  of that and more of their cat and mouse game, Yes, which I
• 43:13
  think could have been more fun, especially with Kim Nam Gill
• 43:16
  knowing that at any moment he's just going to black out and like
• 43:19
  not remember anything. And I thought that moment in the
• 43:22
  house where he's like, did you just forget?
• 43:24
  Everything Mendo. Man, yeah, I know, right?
• 43:27
  Like I thought that was just a great, I thought that was just a
• 43:30
  great moment. It's funny, I wrote in my notes.
• 43:32
  I don't think it's this cat and mouse, I think it's alligator
• 43:34
  and crocodile. Yeah, that's that's much better.
• 43:38
  I don't know, 'cause but it, but that is where it took off.
• 43:41
  And I wish I, you know, I'm not a writer.
• 43:44
  I think there's an alternate ending that doesn't have them,
• 43:48
  you know, like with Kim Nam Gil laid flat out.
• 43:51
  I think there's a clever, cleverer ending out there that
• 43:55
  really kind of would play into the two of them being serial
• 43:59
  killers and justifying their lives.
• 44:02
  I I think there could have been something more there.
• 44:05
  I don't know what it. Is I think I saw on the IMDb
• 44:07
  trivia section really quick. I skimmed it and it was saying
• 44:11
  that there are multiple endings like directors.
• 44:14
  Cuts. Yeah to the movie.
• 44:15
  Oh yeah. Yeah, I when I went searching
• 44:18
  for someone to explain the ending to me, I'm I'm in the
• 44:21
  Googler. One of them was just was just
• 44:24
  awful. It was like basically the
• 44:26
  daughter ends up killing herself in a myriad of drug overdoses
• 44:30
  because she couldn't handle it. And I was like, that is a
• 44:33
  horrible ending and I'm glad you did not put that in there.
• 44:35
  And that was the only one I'd read.
• 44:37
  But I was like, OK, we'll stop there because that's terrible.
• 44:40
  You're like, we're not, we're not adding to the lore here.
• 44:43
  We're subtracting from the lore. No, Yeah.
• 44:48
  So there's like a second one on. When I look at my drama list,
• 44:52
  there's like a second movie. Really.
• 44:55
  Is there called Another Memory? And I can't, yeah, I can't tell
• 44:59
  what it is. Maybe it's the director's cut?
• 45:03
  That's probably it. Yeah, it looks like this is a
• 45:06
  second one, like a second part of his memoir, like another
• 45:09
  memory he had. So it's, yeah, it says this is
• 45:12
  the director's cut, and it's 10 minutes longer with a different
• 45:15
  ending. Yeah, 10.
• 45:16
  Minutes to a different. I wonder if that's Yeah,
• 45:18
  interesting. I don't know if I necessarily
• 45:22
  want to explore that, but I mean, it's only 10 minutes.
• 45:25
  What? I would if it was only the last
• 45:28
  10 minutes, I would watch the last. 10 minutes, yeah, yeah,
• 45:30
  exactly. But Speaking of like the third
• 45:33
  act, I think that the third act with their fight is really good.
• 45:39
  I liked their hand to hand and then fighting all over the house
• 45:43
  and him walking in after literally running down Teju in
• 45:50
  his car like he ran him over. Oh my God, the.
• 45:53
  Car crash, like took me by surprise.
• 45:56
  Yeah, yeah. Those were really filmic and
• 46:00
  wild and beautiful, all of the car crashes.
• 46:03
  But you had to do that because Kim Mountain Gill's a pretty big
• 46:06
  guy. I think he could really take him
• 46:09
  on a regular. Wait, how big is Kim Nangil?
• 46:12
  Is he like a? 161 or something.
• 46:15
  Yeah, I think he's told. I thought he was.
• 46:17
  I thought he was much more we. I think sometimes he's bigger
• 46:20
  and sometimes he's, you know what I mean?
• 46:23
  Like they get. OK, so he, I mean he, they had
• 46:25
  the. Protein shakes sometime.
• 46:27
  Right little beefy 6 foot. Wow, no, I thought he was like
• 46:30
  one of our little 585. 8 short king.
• 46:35
  That's I'm telling you, I thought he was on team 5/8.
• 46:40
  I didn't realize he was a six furtor.
• 46:42
  All right. Yeah, well.
• 46:44
  I guess I should have known that because he he's worked with E
• 46:48
  honey so many times and she's so tall and they actually are like
• 46:52
  practically the same like there, there's no big difference there.
• 46:55
  So I should have known. I do.
• 46:57
  You're talking about the physicality, the the part where
• 47:01
  Pyeongsu is like, I got to get strong, I got to limber up.
• 47:05
  Because if this comes out to my hand to hand thing like strength
• 47:08
  is, that'll be like the number one thing, the number one
• 47:11
  deciding factor. I had lost it laughing
• 47:14
  internally. I was like, yeah, dude, you bet
• 47:16
  it's gonna come back in 24 hours.
• 47:17
  You got that? Trying to crush the apple in his
• 47:22
  hand. He was like the apple.
• 47:23
  Oh. My God.
• 47:25
  That was funny. That was.
• 47:27
  That was. Oh, shut up, that was.
• 47:28
  Great. Why is that a thing?
• 47:30
  Korean guys like to like split an apple.
• 47:33
  Like what? What is that with them?
• 47:35
  Yeah. I've never, I've never
• 47:36
  understood that one. I'm always like, all right, you
• 47:39
  do you. Yeah.
• 47:41
  You do you, buddy. Right.
• 47:45
  But I will say going back to what you guys had said earlier,
• 47:47
  like the comedy, I think the humor of it really did gave it
• 47:53
  that extra half a bottle of soju for me.
• 47:55
  Because it it gave it gave it a little bit more humanity, for a
• 47:59
  lack of a better word. Because I think if without that
• 48:03
  it would have been, it would have been just this, this
• 48:08
  cacophony of noise. Because there was no reliable
• 48:10
  narrator, right? There was no direct.
• 48:13
  There was no direct through line for us to follow.
• 48:16
  And without the like bits of comedy, I think I would have
• 48:18
  been just like, what am I watching?
• 48:20
  Yeah. Like what is happening right
• 48:22
  now? It made it.
• 48:23
  Yeah, yeah. It it, it brought humanity into
• 48:26
  it. It made it real.
• 48:28
  And otherwise that whole poetry class thing would have really
• 48:32
  been out of left field. Right, the poetry class bro,
• 48:37
  that thing was hilarious. Right.
• 48:38
  It's absurd. It's absurd that he's like the
• 48:41
  serial killer sitting in there with this.
• 48:43
  Like, what do you call it? Like a poetry teacher who takes
• 48:48
  himself so seriously? What?
• 48:50
  Do you call it like God? Yeah, he's just.
• 48:51
  Pompous. Pompous.
• 48:53
  It was hilarious. Yeah.
• 48:54
  Yeah. It was good.
• 48:55
  Stuff I love his voice over too. He's like, I hate this class.
• 48:59
  She made me come. So it's supposed to be good for
• 49:01
  Alzheimer's. He's gonna, I'm gonna kill him.
• 49:05
  Yeah, he's. Just he deserves to die.
• 49:08
  He's nice. He's.
• 49:08
  Just like, that's hilarious. I don't really love that.
• 49:12
  Yeah, yeah. Now I do think, well, I was just
• 49:18
  expecting him to die at the end of the at the movie, Yeah.
• 49:21
  Yes, for sure. OK.
• 49:23
  Someone had to, right? Yeah, yeah, he didn't die.
• 49:26
  He, like, keeps living. But Teju does die.
• 49:29
  The psychotic boyfriend does die.
• 49:33
  Yeah, and The thing is, you want him to die in the moment, but
• 49:36
  I'm not sure that was really that satisfying looking back on
• 49:40
  it. Yeah, I agree.
• 49:43
  I was actually just thinking that as you were saying it,
• 49:45
  because it was like it doesn't. I mean, we do know he trained
• 49:48
  hard our our, our Alzheimer's father trained hard to make sure
• 49:53
  he could, could defeat him in hand to hand combat.
• 49:56
  But in the actual real, in the real world, I thought he
• 49:59
  overcame. I think he kind of overtook him
• 50:02
  way too easily. And it would have been, I think.
• 50:04
  I think the ending would have made a little bit more sense if
• 50:08
  somehow Minteju escaped or got out of there, or somehow managed
• 50:14
  to survive in some way. I mean, you could read the
• 50:18
  ending as Teju is still around somewhere and did live, yeah.
• 50:23
  Just in his mind, I mean, and also that also works, just being
• 50:26
  in his mind. But again, I was, I just, I
• 50:28
  think, yeah, for me, like that whole there's a third act and
• 50:31
  there's like final beat that just didn't kind of right.
• 50:35
  It didn't, it didn't really land for me.
• 50:38
  I was a little. I was a little.
• 50:39
  Like what? What did you think of the reveal
• 50:42
  that his last victim 17 years ago was his philandering wife
• 50:47
  and the mother of Unni like his daughter, but then his daughter
• 50:51
  was not his biological child? Yeah, I think that was supposed
• 50:57
  to feel like a bigger twist than it was.
• 51:01
  Yeah, I agree. Or I guess he just needed a
• 51:03
  reason to stop killing, but they didn't really explore that.
• 51:07
  So I'm just kind of putting that on there.
• 51:08
  I don't know. I it, it didn't seem that big a
• 51:11
  thing. It was a force.
• 51:12
  Retirement because I guess the brain injury was so severe he
• 51:16
  didn't go to the hospital. But then.
• 51:19
  Right. He did have some sort of surgery
• 51:22
  that is documented so that when he went to see the doctor, the
• 51:27
  doctor was like, oh, it seems like you had a brain surgery due
• 51:31
  to an accident. Oh, right, yeah.
• 51:33
  So like this Alzheimer's and dementia that you're
• 51:36
  experiencing could be as a result of like this brain
• 51:39
  injury. I think that the scene where he
• 51:42
  got in the car accident also red herring to me as to what was
• 51:46
  happening because he like, flew out of that car.
• 51:49
  Yeah, hit the ground. It instantly popped up and was
• 51:52
  like, I'm getting back in the car, let's go.
• 51:54
  And I was like, well, that is weird.
• 51:56
  Weird. And so I, there was so many like
• 52:00
  cartoonish moments that seem to be only that, you know, could
• 52:03
  only happen in someone's brain. It's a little scrambled that
• 52:06
  that is. I felt like there was a lot of
• 52:08
  red herrings in that respect for that.
• 52:10
  You know, to go back to the daughter, I actually think it's
• 52:12
  a it's a really big deal in Korea, this idea of blood
• 52:15
  relations. Oh, yeah.
• 52:17
  So that was a really big point that you, you know, for him to
• 52:20
  say you're not related to me, you don't carry my blood.
• 52:24
  So that I think for the Korean audience, that would be a really
• 52:27
  big deal. She could.
• 52:28
  She could continue her life. Yeah, unmarred by the stigma of
• 52:32
  having a blood relation. Her own father be a serial
• 52:36
  killer, right? But it's her choice to stick
• 52:39
  with him, you know, to still visit him.
• 52:41
  Unless that was a fantasy. No, that was real.
• 52:44
  No, I choose to believe that was real.
• 52:47
  I don't know Jen's like, I don't know what's.
• 52:50
  Happening I've it was all garbled at the end.
• 52:53
  I was like I have no idea like this.
• 52:55
  I feel like it should have end. You know some movies have like 4
• 52:58
  endings you're like so when they took him to the to the home and
• 53:01
  tried to cut his hair and she showed up, I was like is there
• 53:05
  another ending that is going to have?
• 53:06
  Like what is his? Is his roommate going to be
• 53:09
  Minteju? Like what's?
• 53:11
  Going on, that would have been a way crazier ending.
• 53:15
  You know, like he all made it all up while he was in, you
• 53:18
  know, Cheddar Island. What was I you?
• 53:20
  Really wanted that Cheddar Island ending.
• 53:22
  I did. I wanted.
• 53:22
  Like. Cheddar Island.
• 53:25
  So yeah, it was, it was a lot. It was a lot.
• 53:27
  I was like a, I felt like there was like a, it is kind of like
• 53:30
  it just kind of petered the enemy's kind of petered off for
• 53:32
  me. But going back to what Marie
• 53:33
  said about about how the scene where he tells her you do not
• 53:36
  have any of my blood in you and you are not the, you're not the
• 53:39
  daughter of a serial murderer. I thought that scene was far
• 53:42
  more impactful and more like emotional than the reveal of the
• 53:47
  mother and the murder and, and how it all went down 100% in my
• 53:52
  opinion. I thought that that that was a
• 53:53
  bigger like, oh, right, yeah, that's right.
• 53:57
  I agree with that completely. And to be honest, I was like
• 54:00
  thinking that this was the story that I had made-up like in the
• 54:03
  1st 20 minutes of the movie was that he that's not his
• 54:08
  biological daughter. He raised the daughter and it
• 54:12
  was some baby or something that he had acquired through his
• 54:18
  serial killings, so. Maybe he killed them.
• 54:20
  Oh my God, Jess, you and I must have been on the same wavelength
• 54:23
  because I was like, did he kill someone and they found this baby
• 54:26
  after murdering them and decided to take care of it?
• 54:28
  Like literally what is like yes I thought the exact same thing.
• 54:33
  Yeah, perfect. So me and Jen are on the same
• 54:35
  like morbid wavelength that absolutely.
• 54:38
  We are on that path, Jess. We are on it.
• 54:42
  We. Will have Leo DiCaprio pointing
• 54:44
  out like the the milestones for us, it's our own movie.
• 54:49
  That was not the case. We were half right.
• 54:51
  That's not his child. Not at all.
• 54:55
  Not even a little. Not even a little bit.
• 54:57
  I I just think that it was all jumbled and garbled and it, I
• 55:02
  think the movie is up to interpretation in a lot of
• 55:05
  instances. And if you are the type of movie
• 55:09
  goer who's like that intrigues you, that thrills you to put the
• 55:14
  pieces together how you see fit, then great.
• 55:17
  If you're like a couple of us on this panel that are just like.
• 55:21
  You can just say my name. Jen OK, OK, you're like Jen and
• 55:26
  you need some answers. Then this movie might not land
• 55:30
  as much with you. And both ways are fine.
• 55:33
  You can see 3 1/2 sold your bottles.
• 55:35
  It didn't kill Jen. It was fine.
• 55:39
  I survived. You survived.
• 55:42
  Did you guys have anything else you wanted to add about our
• 55:46
  discussion of Memoir of a Murderer?
• 55:48
  Because I feel like I've come to the end of my mental notes.
• 55:50
  I didn't take a single note for this movie, by the way, just
• 55:54
  running on fumes. Just going just going on
• 55:58
  instinct. Going on instinct.
• 56:00
  No, no, I think we covered it. I mean, yeah, I think we covered
• 56:03
  it. I think just to kind of yes.
• 56:05
  And to what you said as the person who needs a lot of
• 56:07
  guideposts and these types of dramas and or movies, it is if
• 56:12
  you are a person who enjoys the open-ended ending kind of thing
• 56:16
  where you can like, you can sit around and like, like have
• 56:20
  thousands of what ifs. This is, this is a great movie
• 56:23
  for you because there are a bajillion what ifs in this
• 56:25
  movie. So I would just add that.
• 56:28
  Yeah. Just if you're a Kim Nem Gill
• 56:29
  fan that you need to watch this, this needs to be part of your of
• 56:35
  your library. Yeah, he's on hinge when he
• 56:37
  takes his head off. I mean, that is a true highlight
• 56:41
  of the movie. It really was.
• 56:43
  I needed more of that. I was like I literally rewound
• 56:47
  it and then paused it at certain points because I was like I need
• 56:50
  to see this concave like I am truly.
• 56:54
  Shocked. I know the beginning of the
• 56:57
  film. He's holding a kitten.
• 56:58
  By the end of it, he's building. He's removing his head.
• 57:03
  Yeah. And it just was so out of left
• 57:06
  field. It was so random.
• 57:08
  It was so random. Like, what?
• 57:11
  Yeah. Like, why?
• 57:12
  Yeah. Why do we have to have a reason
• 57:15
  for him to be psychotic? Like he's psychotic because he
• 57:18
  got bashed over the head with an iron.
• 57:20
  With an iron, Yeah. The lesson of the movie is don't
• 57:24
  abuse your children. Don't abuse nobody, right?
• 57:29
  I will say this did you guys and did no one else like this is
• 57:33
  this is again me wanting like some sort of like connection.
• 57:37
  Didn't as soon as that iron came out when they were fighting in
• 57:40
  the end, I expected the daughter to pick that iron up and take
• 57:44
  him out with the iron and the fact that that was just left
• 57:47
  dangling there. I was like, I felt like that was
• 57:50
  pretty obvious. It was right.
• 57:51
  It was right there. Right there, low head, low
• 57:53
  hanging fruit. I will say I was a little bit
• 57:56
  more disturbed about the obvious age gap between the daughter who
• 58:01
  was still in school and this man.
• 58:04
  Like he's a police officer man with a full time job and he's
• 58:10
  over here messing with a little. Kitten.
• 58:13
  He had a kitten. Yeah.
• 58:17
  I was like, that's the thriller right there.
• 58:19
  That's right, The Scary Movie. Yeah, right.
• 58:22
  Fine. Yeah.
• 58:24
  No, Absolutely, yeah. All right, thank you guys so
• 58:26
  much for watching this movie and rewatching it.
• 58:29
  Marissa, I know that those plane ride movies, they'll get you
• 58:32
  every time, but where can people find you guys online in case
• 58:38
  they don't follow you guys or subscribe to your YouTube?
• 58:42
  You can find us on YouTube. You can actually find us
• 58:45
  everywhere at the K30 spell it out the KTHREE.
• 58:50
  We are on Instagram, we're on Twitter, I refuse to call it X,
• 58:53
  and we are on YouTube and those are that's where you can find
• 58:56
  us. Nice.
• 58:58
  Thank you guys again, this was a blast to do.
• 59:02
  Always a good time. Thank you.
• 59:03
  Jess yes. And I hope that the rest of your
• 59:06
  spooky season and the rest of your year goes wonderfully
• 59:09
  swimmingly. And that's it.
• 59:10
  That's been our show. I'm Jessica, and this has been
• 59:13
  the Tiba K Rambo's podcast.