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Hopefully this stays through. There's a little bit of storms
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going through Indiana right now. Lost power for only like 30
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seconds, but still like reset minor and everything.
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So hopefully that stays true and stays the way we are.
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We already got MJ in the comments saying we are.
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For anybody who doesn't know, MJ is a massive Penn State fans and
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she likes to she likes to remind me of that and I like to, you
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know, poke fun at her a little bit and what not.
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Of course, we got Jay from ASAP joining in as well.
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And then we got into the Weeds podcast hosted by Laura and
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Amber both. So if you like anything sci-fi,
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creepy, or honestly, you just like the tea for a lot of the
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social drama, those two ladies are the ones that you want to go
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to for all of that. But nonetheless, though, I have
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a repeat guest that's a special guy coming back on to the
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podcast today by a gentleman by the name of Jackson, who is a
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huge Packers fan as well as a South Carolina Gamecocks fan
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who's going to be joining. We're going to be discussing a
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little bit about his Packers, how he feels about the Matthew
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Golden draft, how he feels about Jordan Love, if he's still the
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guy or not, how Jackson feels about the college football play
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offs expanding. And of course, Jackson's former
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quarterback Aaron Rodgers and if he will ever sign with the
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Pittsburgh Steelers because he's somewhat of a drama queen.
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We've also got Charles in here. He's the husband of Amber and
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Laura's dad, a big supporter of, I'm assuming of end of the Weeds
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podcast. Also in here saying I hear her
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husband's creepy. I haven't I haven't heard that
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one. I have not heard that you're
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creepy good Sir. I've heard I've heard nothing
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good but good things. I've heard you're also
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incredibly intelligent. So I mean, you're, you're good
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at my book so far at least. But nonetheless, with all that
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being said, let us go ahead and get Jackson in here.
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The interview of the week is brought to you by Jersey Mike's,
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a sub above. Jackson, welcome in, good Sir.
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How are you? It has.
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It has been a hot minute. I'm doing good man.
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How about yourself? Pretty good, pretty good.
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So, so let's just jump right into it, man.
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We'll we'll jump into a little bit with college first, 'cause
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there, I know there's a little bit to talk about there, but
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there's not a whole lot. They already, they kind of
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already talked about this when they first did the playoff
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expansion, when they expanded the teams to 12 this past
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season, they said that they were going to do this for the 2024
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and the 2025 season and then potentially in 2026 they were
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going to have the option to expand it out to 14 teams.
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Now we're hearing a little bit of rumors that it might be 16
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teams that we could expand out to.
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So realistically, about the top third of your top 25 or 2/3 of
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your top 25 are potentially going to be eligible to make a
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playoff run. And it also leaves more room for
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error like you could have a three to four loss team now in
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the playoffs as a result. So, so I kind of got 2 questions
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for you and I'll, I'll ask the first one, then we'll then we'll
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jump into the second one. Do you like the idea of them
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expanding it out past 12 or do you kind of already think 12
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might be a bit too much just from what we've seen this past
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season? I mean, well, you know,
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personally I think 14 or 16 would be would have been great
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this past season because. Gamecocks would have gotten as
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they finished as hot as they did.
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Yeah, I don't know. I think it's really fine either
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way. I think 12 seems like a good
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number to me, but I know as an SEC fan, I think I'm supposed to
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root for the more more teams. I know the big 10 and SEC are
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big time pushing for 16. I think 12th or 16 seems like a
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lot just in terms of valuing regular season games.
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But also the playoffs were really fun most of them.
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So I I'm all for more more football, so either way is good
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for me. Right.
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Well, that that kind of leads into the to the second part of
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my question because, you know, like, like you pointed out how
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they had been expanded. South Carolina, Ole Miss and
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Alabama were, you know, one of the three teams left that they
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were, you know, constantly debating on all right, should
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they be in the playoffs and should they potentially replace
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either SMU, Clemson, whoever was going to come out of the ACC And
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it ultimately ended up, believe it or not, they they kept SMU
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in. I thought for sure they were
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going to boot SMU out. See, you know, the, but my
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second question was going to be, do you think they were primarily
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doing this mostly for Alabama? Because if you remember when
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that schedule first dropped, Alabama was in and myself
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included, I was like, there there's absolutely no reason for
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it. Now, of course, all the Alabama
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Crimson Tide fans that have accumulated over the years
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through, you know, due to their past success and whatnot are
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like, ah, you know, Roll Tide. We love the taste of your tears,
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like all this crap, but but realistically, it's like, OK,
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well, it's hard to make an argument when you lose to a
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really bad Oklahoma team this year.
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You lose to a you get like destroyed actually by Oklahoma.
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You get blown out by Vandy to to boot, and you can't sit here and
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say, oh, well, if the Tide get in, Tide got in, they weren't
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going to do anything. But it was also going to be crap
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because they were going to hand the Tide probably the easiest
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path in the playoffs. Like if they if they want to go
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through the gauntlet, yeah, sure, Alabama can go in as much
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as they want, but they weren't going to do that.
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Do you think that's part of why they're expanding it?
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I think it probably is. I think it's really just the SEC
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in general. I mean, I think those are three
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like really good teams, South Carolina, Ole Miss and Alabama
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that got left out. And I think it's just AI think
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it's a definitely pandering to the big conferences and the big
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10 as well, because those teams, they do play a a gauntlet just
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in the regular season. You know, I can't remember a
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time where South Carolina hasn't had a top 10 schedule and you
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know, a team like SMU played two decent teams and lost.
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So I think the more and you're definitely pandering to those
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because they want those big markets in.
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Yeah, yeah. And for anybody who doesn't know
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or anybody who hasn't paid as much of attention.
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So for the 16 team playoff, if I remember correctly and correct
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me on my math, Jackson, if I'm wrong, the Big 10 wants 4
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automatic bids, the SEC wants 4 automatic bids.
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So now we've got 8. They want to offer the Big 12,
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two, they want to offer the ACC 2.
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So then that would make up 12. So that would lead basically 4
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spots left. We're going to assume one of
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those is going to be Notre Dame because at least in the current
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format, Notre Dame kind of all but has their kind of built in
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as far as being able to be in the play offs, barring them
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having just a disaster of a season type of thing.
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So realistically you've got three spots left that's kind of
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open and that's if they kind of continue what they did with this
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one of whoever is the most, you know, winning Power 5 or not
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power Group of Five conference champion left, they would get a
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spot. So then you kind of have two
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freebies leftover from I'm assuming any one of the Power 4
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conferences left at that point. What like, like do you kind of
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think that's fair? I don't know if fair's the right
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word, but it makes sense. You know, they control so much
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right now just in terms of revenue, and they have the,
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generally speaking, the better teams.
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Like, I think it makes sense. I think my favorite part about
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the new stuff is the reseeding. I like the top four teams.
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Just being the top four teams and not getting buys.
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I think that's probably the best part of it.
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I think that makes a lot of sense.
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Yeah. And, and that was kind of one of
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the things too that I, that, and it's funny because I ended up
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working out this past playoffs. It was like all the lower teams
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basically got eliminated. Ohio State was like the last
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basically team as far as like low seeding goes.
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And they had to go on the road for all of them but one.
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So it's funny how that kind of worked out.
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But I, I am kind of a fan of it because it's one of those if
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you're good enough to be one of the top four teams in college
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football and then realistically you don't even get to host a
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playoff game. Like it's kind of a smack in the
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face. It's like, well, you know, yeah,
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it'd be cool because I mean, you got to think, think of all the
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money that they're kind of missing out on whenever they do
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that. And they're not, they're not
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capitalizing on it from such an like financial standpoint of,
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yeah, if it's say, you know, let's say it's South Carolina
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and, you know, let's say it's Clemson rolls in.
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So you get that. You get the Palmetto Series
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twice in one season and depending on how the first match
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up goes, maybe it's a total revenge thing and you know, the,
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the momentum completely swings. So I, I don't necessarily think
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it's a bad thing. One of the things I did want to
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get your thoughts on real quick before we, before we change
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topics. I had a buddy and I talk about
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this before because I feel like now a lot of the bowl games are
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just they're, they're not what they used to be.
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They're kind of they're kind of trash because now for a lot of
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guys, the bowl games, they don't mean much of anything.
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Usually it's you know, teams that they've missed out on the
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play offs. It's kind of their last chance
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to play type thing. A lot of your juniors that may,
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may or may not be moving on into the NFL, even your seniors and
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whatnot, they may or may not play in it.
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They may also be trying to get ready to move on to the next
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level and whatnot. Or if you're going to enter the
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transfer portal, you may or may not play.
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So we don't necessarily get the best of those teams for like
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better matchups and what they could be.
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My thought is maybe make some of these like big time matchups,
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especially early in the season when you have a lot more of the
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out of conference matchups, you know, going off.
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Make those bowl games like this upcoming season.
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Obviously you've got, you know, Texas versus Ohio State.
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You know, you can't tell me you couldn't make that, you know,
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like, I don't know, like the Pop Tart bowl or, or just something
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or just something like that because it's OK.
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It's a it's a big brand. It's a big name.
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More people are going to watch it now at the beginning of the
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season especially than now that it's going to be back rather
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than kind of at the end. It's like, well, if you say
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you're a fan of like Kansas State, Kansas State doesn't get
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in the play offs. Like, yeah, they're going to
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play a bowl game, but doesn't really matter.
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Season's kind of over. It's not it's not really for
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anything at that point. But do you do you think they
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should do something like that? Because again, I feel like they
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could get more money from that If they do like a Chick-fil-A
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bowl for like LSU and Clemson. It's like you're missing out on
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a ton of money if you do that. Actually like I haven't thought
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about that, but I think that is like that makes sense because
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especially like the companies that are sponsoring and that's a
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lot more money from them because those games definitely do matter
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more like week, I think it's week 1, Texas, Ohio State is
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going to matter a lot more than week 16.
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I don't know, Duke versus whoever.
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So I think that actually is a cool idea that maybe could
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start. They could start implementing
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soon. I think so.
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I think so. But we will take one quick
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commercial break when we come back, we'll dive into the NFL.
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We'll dive into Jackson's Packers, the fact that they
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finally draft a wide receiver for the first time in like 20
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years and if Jordan loves the guy or not.
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voice. All right, welcome into in back
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into inside the Hoosier mine brought to you in part by
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military broadcast radio helping give veterans a voice back here
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with Jackson to discuss his team, the Packers.
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So they did something that, you know, I think a lot of Packers
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fans I think wanted years ago when you had much bigger names
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out there on the on the draft boards and whatnot.
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As far as drafting a wide receiver for the first time in
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forever out of Texas, Matthew Golden had a pretty decent,
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pretty decent career. He played two years at Houston,
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played about 20 games. Yeah, played 20 games, came out
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of Houston 13 touchdowns, just shy of 1000 yards between the
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two years. And then Texas has a breakout
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season, played in 16 games, had again just under 1000 yards
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receiving and had nine touchdowns.
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It was a pretty big factor in the kick return game as well,
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but didn't have any kick returns for touchdowns.
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First wide receiver selected by the Packers since Javon Walker
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in 2022. So it's been 23 years since the
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Packers drafted a wide receiver. So, Jackson, just give me your
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first thoughts. Is this one of those?
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You're happy that they did it, But are you like, kind of
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frustrated? It took them 23 years to decide.
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OK, yeah. Now we'll now we'll drop the guy
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in the first round. Now we'll give our quarterback,
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whoever it is, a first round talent wide receiver, at least
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from face value. Well, first of all, can we talk
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about how electric the announcement was with Mark
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Murphy going up there, getting the.
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I didn't know he was such a showman.
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Yeah, he really played the crowd.
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But I love the pic and I don't really hold anything against
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them from the past because they wanted some of them like they
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really liked Jigba, they really liked IU and they really liked
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Jefferson. They just the draft board didn't
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fall that way. So I'm not like super, you know,
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whatever, it's in the past now. But As for Matthew Golden, I'm
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I'm really excited about what he can bring to the team.
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Yeah, and, and it's kind of interesting too, because he it,
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it's funny 'cause if you look at him kind of throughout the
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season and I, I don't know how much Texas you watch this year,
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especially with them being in, being in the SEC for the first
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year, this year, I watched a lot of them and I felt like it was
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Isaiah Bond was #1 and then kind of Golden was #2 but Bond kind
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of had a shaky, injury riddled year this year.
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And so Golden kind of had to step up and he did.
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And he stepped up in a pretty phenomenal way.
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And here Golden is drafted first round while Bond is actually
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undrafted and hasn't even been signed to anybody yet, which is
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kind of surprising. Do you feel like at least from
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what you've seen? And I again, I don't know how
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many highlights or how much you watched of him.
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Do you feel like he was worth it or do you feel like, yeah, you
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kind of wish they would have gone for somebody else, 'cause I
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mean, there there's still a lot of very solid wide receivers,
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'cause I mean, this other than I would say quarterback class,
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this is a very deep draft for just about every single position
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that you can need other than quarterback.
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Definitely, yeah, I think I didn't expect it at all for
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sure. I don't think there's any other
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receivers I would have picked over him.
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I think Golden, the one thing I like about him the most is that
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he had that clutch gene. I mean, he really came through
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late in the season on that playoff run.
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Like that's when he really, I mean, he was that's where he
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really rose up the draft board and became a first round pick
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that in his 40 yard dash. But he really came through when
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Texas needed it the most, when Bond was out and he clearly just
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lost a step for some reason. I mean, I think he ran like a
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four or five or something like that, which was crazy.
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Some, I don't know what happened with him.
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But anyway, they needed him to step up and he did.
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And so I, I think watching the tape, I actually think he
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probably would have been a lot better.
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A lot of people say like the speed, because he ran a 429, the
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speed doesn't show up on tape. I think a lot of that is because
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Quinn Ewers just doesn't have a strong arm.
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Yeah, really. I really think he just played in
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the system with a, a, a weaker armed quarterback and just
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couldn't take the top off like he needed to or like he can, I
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suppose. So I, I think, I think he was a
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is a good pick and I think he was worthy of a first round
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selection. Yeah, that and I will say not to
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super derail it, but that that was kind of one of the things
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that I I thought about when I looked at this quarterback draft
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class this season. It was like to to meet Cam Ward
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was undeniably like the the best quarterback in this class.
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But I'll say too, if you would have put him in like last year's
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draft class, he'd he'd maybe break the top ten.
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Like like realistically, he'd maybe just break the top ten.
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And to me that just kind of shows the difference in the
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level of quarterbacks that we had coming into the draft
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season. You know, I liked Quinn.
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I think Quinn had a lot of injury issues.
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Like you said, he doesn't really have a strong arm.
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He kind of had, to me, Quinn didn't really have that it
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factor, if you know what I mean. Like he had the benefit of.
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Yeah. Texas, I mean, you look at it
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last year, you know, they produced two top, top receivers
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in Worthy and Donnie Mitchell. And then this year you have
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Golden and you have Bond and then they have two more
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receivers kind of behind that. And plus you had what he had
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like 5 running backs that have all been drafted and are a part
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of teams right now. So it's like it's kind of hard
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for Quinn not to be successful when you had all.
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That. Yeah.
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And even then it's like how successful really were you like
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as a whole type of thing? So I mean, I, I didn't view him
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as a franchise guy. I'll be honest, I did not view
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Chadur as a franchise guy. I know a lot of people kind of
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went crazy about, I know Mel Kiper went crazy about that in
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particular, having his whole like meltdown.
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Oh my gosh. Dude went like 13 and 11 at
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Colorado. Now, don't get it twisted.
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He had a great career at Jackson State.
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Like he went, he went off there. But look at the level of talent
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you were playing with. And again, you also had Travis
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Hunter there the entire time. You kind of move up to Colorado,
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you move up to bigger, a little bit better opponents.
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Like you look at the Oregon game, Colorado got absolutely
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destroyed in that. So it's like I don't, I didn't
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really see Shadour as kind of that leader, even if it was one
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of those like just like just from the wins column and
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whatnot. Like, I don't expect you to go
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out and always win a national title or a Heisman or even
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compete, But it's like you never competed for the PAC 12.
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You never competed for the Big 12.
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You weren't even like close part of the time you'd throw
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teammates under the bus. You know, he even did a
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interview, well, kind of an interview, but more of a
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one-on-one trash talking session with Kim Ward so that he didn't
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have a running game last year. And I'm like, that's probably
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why you fell a little bit rather like I don't really have the
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intangibles. But even the other quarterbacks,
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like I didn't care really for Dylan Gabriel, like I thought he
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would be good for Oregon. I didn't view him as like an NFL
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starting quarterback. Kind of same for Will Howard.
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I'll be honest, I was really down on Will Howard.
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I was like, Nah, he won't lead them to a title.
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There's there's no flipping way. Sure enough wins.
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Damn title. I was like, oh, wow, sorry, Will
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not saying you're, I'm still not going to say you're an NFL
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caliber guy, but I mean, hey, good.
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Good for you, man, good for you. It's like he's a perfect
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stealer. That's such a stealer's you
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pick. Yeah, but but you know, it's
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funny too because you watch him at least I don't know if you
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follow him on TikTok, but like Jon Gruden has kind of like with
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like a pretty good following and whatnot.
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Like to watch will break it down.
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I'm like, OK, well, I'm going to be honest.
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You at least know game better than like Jackson Dart because I
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feel like that's another game benefited from like an extremely
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talented team and just a phenomenal offensive system with
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Lane Kiffin and whatnot. It's like, what did you really
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do with it though? He is so hard to read because I
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think he actually does have like some really solid hard talent.
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But if you look at his like passive, I want to say like 70%
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role, like design screens, RPO behind the line of scrimmage,
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like it was all just manufactured.
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So I really have no idea how he's going to translate.
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Yeah, and somebody even pointed out too, if you look at the lot
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of the big games that he played, that old miss lost in,
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especially when they face like tough opponents, he didn't play
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well. I mean, they lost to LSU, they
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ended up beating Georgia. But I mean, it wasn't like he
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did it in the in the best looking way possible.
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It was like, it's a little rough that you even got that win
24:46
there, buddy. So kind of back to to Golden
24:51
though, how do you feel the heat elevates this Packers offense
24:55
'cause they already have, you know, they have a lot of guys
24:57
that they're not first round picks, but they, they've been
25:00
able to make a name for themselves.
25:02
Cause you've got, you've got Christian Watson, you've got
25:05
Jaden Reed, you've got Romeo Dubes.
25:07
So I mean, those are realistically your top three
25:10
guys right there. So I mean, just kind of looking
25:13
at it outside in not seeing how he doesn't practice or on the
25:17
field so far, Golden's looking like #4 as far as on the, on the
25:22
depth chart goes, barring him maybe beating anybody out.
25:24
I even saw a potential report that they see Jaden read as the
25:28
number one option on the Packers.
25:30
And I was like, I to me, I thought that was Watson and it
25:33
might just be because he's more of like that speed demon.
25:36
He just goes down the field, you just throw it and he's he's
25:38
going to be down there to catch it type thing.
25:40
But what's what's your thoughts on it?
25:42
Well, the thing with Watson is he tore his ACL late last year,
25:47
so he's probably not coming back until November at the earliest.
25:53
And so I think that's one of when you look at the receiver
25:55
room and when you look at Matt, what Matt Lafor does is you
25:58
really need to replace that speed.
26:01
You know, like Romeo Dobbs, Gray green Reed is good, but none of
26:04
them are down the field vertical stretchers.
26:08
So I think that's probably the role golden plays.
26:10
I think he probably comes in and is immediately the Z, maybe the
26:14
XI think really the thing I like is that he has he's a very
26:20
natural pass catcher is what everyone describes him as.
26:23
Like he's had some drops, but it ever it doesn't look like he he
26:27
knows how to do it. And like that was the biggest,
26:30
we were second in the league in drops, highest drop percentage
26:33
in the league. And I think that really tanked
26:37
Jordan's stats. I think that really just hurt
26:39
the team a lot. And so you needed someone to
26:41
come in and be a a go to guy. I also think just him being able
26:48
to come in and increased competition is good.
26:53
I think they kind of needed a a kick in the butt.
26:55
Like, hey, you aren't invincible here.
26:58
I know we all love you. You know, the Packers fans were
27:01
really high on the receiver room going into 2024, but they
27:05
underperformed. And so here, you know, like
27:08
you're, you're on the block right now.
27:10
Right, right. And so that we'll we'll kind of
27:13
use that to just jump into the next topic.
27:16
So this is Jordan. This will be Jordan Love's third
27:19
full year as a starter. And as you know, I've I've never
27:24
really been high on the on the Jordan Love train, mainly just
27:27
because everybody like blew it out of proportion.
27:30
Like he he did do really well his first statistical year, like
27:34
actually starting. I can't, I can't deny that the
27:36
dude went, you know, 4100 yards, 32 touchdowns, 11 picks.
27:41
You know, they went on a super, super big hot streak right there
27:44
at the end of the season. Like he, he absolutely lit the
27:47
league up. I can't deny that.
27:49
But then people are coming out like, Oh my God, it's the next
27:52
Aaron Rodgers. Like he's the next greatest
27:54
thing like ever. He's a top five quarterback
27:56
right now. And I'm like, did you like pump
27:59
the brakes? Like, hold on.
28:01
We we saw Case Keenum lead the Vikings to like 13 and 3 and
28:07
even with like a Stefan digs Hail Mary throw took them to the
28:10
NFC Championship. And ain't nobody sitting here
28:13
saying Case Keenum is like a top five quarterback, like calm
28:16
down. But much to your point, though,
28:19
you talked about the Packers being like the second having the
28:23
second most drops in the league last year.
28:26
His numbers did kind of dwindle a little bit because
28:28
realistically, kind of look at it last year was Jordan Love's
28:31
true like rookie season. This year would be technically
28:34
considered as sophomore as far as starting goes.
28:38
Production was definitely down. He didn't play all 17 games.
28:41
He went nine and six. He had just under 3400 yards.
28:45
He had 25 touchdowns, 11 picks. Again, completion percentage,
28:49
she's only like a percentage point less, so I'm not really
28:52
going to heartbeat him on that. But last year though, they paid
28:58
him like a top five quarterback, which again, to me, I feel like
29:02
is nuts. Not saying don't sign him or
29:04
give him like a fair deal or whatnot.
29:06
And, you know, just kind of see, but I felt like to me that was
29:10
really early to do. Do you feel like now with Golden
29:15
and his things kind of change now that, again, people are
29:19
going to kind of evaluate him a little bit more?
29:21
Do you still feel like Jordan Love is the guy heading into
29:25
starting year? You know, his third year now?
29:29
Yeah, 100%. That's my guy.
29:31
I think he definitely did not have the best year last year.
29:37
And it might sound like an excuse, but he was hurt all
29:39
year. Like he, he really was hurt in
29:41
the Eagles game. And then later on he hurt his
29:43
groin and he, he was playing hurt for the entire season
29:47
pretty much. And it wasn't like, oh, he, he
29:50
sucks because he's hurt and like he shouldn't be playing.
29:53
It was like, OK, he just isn't as mobile as he should be.
29:57
He he was definitely just off like we weren't running play
30:01
action because he couldn't really, he just couldn't really
30:04
run it as well as we needed him to.
30:07
And also the drops again, just it's another excuse, but I I
30:11
it's real, you know, so I think he definitely he's got all the
30:15
tools. I think especially when you add
30:17
golden and also you add Savion Williams, third or fourth round
30:23
receiver, he is crazy. I don't know if you've watched
30:28
any CCU games, but he like winds up as an H back 1/2 back, a full
30:34
back. He does every he's like a devo
30:36
type of guy. So they just figure that's just
30:39
like a toy that was just a matte Leflore.
30:41
Just here's a here's a toy for you to figure out how to use.
30:45
I think all that going into 2025 is like, I think he should have
30:50
by far the best year of his career.
30:53
The obvious line looks solid. Josh Jacobs is still there.
30:56
I think he's definitely still the guy and.
30:59
I just I just kind of wondered because honestly, like when he
31:02
when he got hurt and they put Malik Willis in, it was like,
31:04
OK, now one of the Packers look like honestly, Malik Willis
31:07
balled out pretty well for and that that's where I guess to me.
31:13
And again, you you tell me what you think or you can correct me
31:15
if I'm wrong. Like I like, don't get me wrong,
31:18
I get it. Like, you know, you paid Jordan
31:21
Love all this money, like Jordan Love is the starter and whatnot,
31:24
but if you have your backup, it's just balling out and your
31:27
starting quarterback is hurt anyway.
31:30
The old adage, you know, you kind of roll with the hot hand
31:32
of what you got. And I and I don't think
31:36
realistically Malik would be the long term solution for Green
31:39
Bay. But you know what, what's the
31:42
harm or the foul? And like, hey, if we can get
31:45
like a 6-7 game, you know, streak out of this kid.
31:47
And even if he only goes, you know, five and two, four and
31:51
three at the worst, like you're still coming out above a 500
31:56
record, like you're still in, you know, competition, you're
31:59
still more than likely going to make the playoffs and whatnot.
32:02
Like, and to me, that's where I'm kind of like, why did they
32:05
go back to love If he's hurt? Is it's like if if leak was
32:09
doing poorly, like, ah, no, we're a second ship.
32:11
We got to get we got to get Jordan out there like fast.
32:13
But again, I don't know if that's a we're paying him all
32:16
this money. So he needs to be out here kind
32:18
of thing or what? But that that's just kind of my
32:21
thought. I'm like.
32:22
Trust me, I mean there were definitely Packers fans that
32:25
were saying the same thing. There's actually a surprising
32:28
amount of Packers fans that are just anti Jordan Love in
32:30
general. But a lot of them were like why
32:34
not just let Malik ride, especially if Love is banged up?
32:37
I think it was really at the time, it was the two game
32:41
stretch with Malik. We were playing Minnesota.
32:44
It was the first Confra Division game.
32:47
I just think they really wanted Jordan back for that game and so
32:49
they kind of rushed him back. Ended up I think that game went
32:52
pretty poorly. We think we kind of got smacked
32:56
and I think after that it was like, why take him out now, I
33:00
guess, or just just let him try to work through it and I think
33:06
that was just kind of what it was.
33:08
So. Where's the contract?
33:10
Right. So real quick, since you alluded
33:12
to it, I don't know if you happen to know, but I do.
33:14
I do have to ask as a kind of a fellow Jordan love hater just
33:17
because of again, everybody put him up on a pedestal like he's
33:20
the greatest thing ever. And I'm like wait.
33:23
Well, let's be clear here. You're also a Packers hater.
33:26
I think yes, I am. But like what?
33:31
Like what are the Packers fans saying that that that don't like
33:34
him? Like are they kind of saying the
33:36
same thing? Like they think they may be paid
33:38
too early cause 'cause like I said to me, especially when I
33:43
evaluate a lot of the quarterbacks, whenever they come
33:45
out of the draft, it's like, OK, to me, you got three years,
33:48
right? Like rookie year, they typically
33:50
do really well because, again, nobody really knows what is
33:53
their game going to look like at the next level.
33:55
You know, can they figure it out?
33:56
Can they do really well? They might catch some people off
33:59
guard and kind of, you know, surprise them and whatnot.
34:01
So I'm like, OK, rookie year's fine.
34:03
Sophomore season, all right, Defensive coordinators, teams
34:06
have more film on them. Like, OK, this is some of the
34:08
tendencies that the dude tries to tend, you know, tend to do
34:11
and whatnot. We'll kind of we'll focus and
34:13
hone in on those. They might have a little bit of
34:15
a sophomore slump type thing. Then third year, it's like, OK,
34:22
everybody kind of knows your game.
34:24
You've come in the first, you know, this is now your second
34:27
season. Now you've kind of learned now
34:29
you know what people have kind of figured it out.
34:31
How have you adapted to it? You know, how do you move
34:33
forward from it then? So I feel like the third season
34:36
is really that kind of make or break season for a guy as far as
34:40
starting goes of like, OK, this is going to be the starting
34:43
quarterback or we're going to have to potentially move on.
34:45
And to me, again, if it, if I had been like the Packers, GMI
34:51
had a signing to like a three-year deal, pay, you know,
34:54
pay him a fairly decent amount, I wouldn't make him like one of
34:57
the highest paid quarterbacks ever.
34:59
But that, that's what I would do be like, look, man, we'll, we'll
35:02
give you 3 years to truly start kind of see where you're at.
35:06
And if we feel really good, you know, even halfway through, you
35:10
know, halfway through year three or whatnot, we'll, we'll start
35:13
working as far as contract negotiations go.
35:16
Yeah, I definitely agree with like that assessment, like the
35:18
three-year window. I think that's probably pretty
35:20
fair. The, the hard part with Love
35:24
was, you know, we just had him sit.
35:26
So we had, he started his fourth year, he had his fifth year con
35:30
or fifth year option. It was just kind of an awkward
35:33
timing. You kind of had to pay him.
35:35
And unfortunately the quarterback market is, is what
35:38
it is. And we've seen, I've, I, we see
35:41
we saw quarterbacks worse than him get paid just like, I mean
35:44
too much. Just got a bag, I think.
35:46
Yeah, too. I got a bag.
35:49
DAC is. Paid deck on massive bag.
35:54
Always go back to the Daniel Jones.
35:55
Contract say Daniel Jones. Hey, man, Daniel Jones, Kirk
36:00
Cousins too, like whoever these guys agents are like they
36:03
deserve, like if I'm DAC, Oh my gosh, I'm looking at my agent
36:07
like, hey brother, you got me 60 million.
36:10
Years. I'm gonna slide you like 10 mil
36:14
just. Yeah, just.
36:15
For. That yeah, the quarterback
36:17
contracts are insane. But for Love, I think the the
36:22
thing the Packers fans don't like, and I think it's really
36:25
just comes from watching Aaron Rodgers.
36:28
A lot of these are Aaron Rodgers.
36:30
Like, that's where that era they grew up in, like myself, you
36:34
never saw Aaron Rodgers put the ball in harm's way.
36:36
Like, if it was, if you did, like, you were like, whoa, what
36:39
just happened? Jordan Love is a gunslinger.
36:43
Like, that man's going to throw it where whatever he wants,
36:45
wherever he wants. So he throws a lot more picks.
36:48
And I think it's just a culture shock to a lot of Packers fans
36:52
going from that to Jordan Love. And I think they just are kind
36:55
of holding him to a very high standard for someone his age.
37:01
But that's what's funny though. So for me, like I grew up
37:03
watching Brett Favre gunslinger who threw kind of picks.
37:09
Everyone thought he was going to be the next Aaron Rodgers.
37:12
He's more like Brett Favre. Right.
37:15
And I, I think that to me is where I'm like, OK, I, I
37:18
wouldn't mind that as much because I'm like, OK, he's got
37:22
Brett Favre tendencies. Like you said, he's a gunslinger
37:24
and and obviously, you know, he threw 11 picks, you know, both
37:27
both a year that he started. So he's not necessarily, it's
37:31
not like he's throwing, you know, 20-30 picks, You know, he,
37:33
there is some efficiency there. But yeah, I just, I kind of
37:36
wonder because I'm like, this is how I viewed it personally.
37:39
And again, everybody's like, ah, you're just a hater.
37:41
I'm like again, oh, why you're paying this man this much money?
37:45
Yeah, one good season. This could all go to poop like
37:48
real fast. And then y'all out a ton of
37:50
money for this. Yeah, You know, 2 playoffs in
37:54
this first year so far, I think it's been all right.
37:59
This. Was a big year though.
38:00
And realistically, you know, the, I mean, he didn't play
38:04
great, but I mean, the Packers were the only team that gave the
38:06
Eagles really a run, you know, last year through their, through
38:10
their Super Bowl victory. And they won like 22 to 13.
38:12
And you're like, wait a minute, 22 to 13.
38:15
Like, why does, why does this look like a fairly close game?
38:17
And Love threw like 3 picks just in that game by himself.
38:21
Yeah, offensive line got destroyed in that game, like
38:25
injury wise. And it was just, I mean, it got
38:28
really rough on offense, but the defense bringing in Jeff
38:31
Haffley, that was a huge step forward for the Packers.
38:36
That defense really was playing lights out last.
38:38
Year. Yeah, yeah.
38:42
All right, so we will take a real quick break.
38:45
We're going to play. We're going to play.
38:48
You can't spell hero without her by I think his name's Sean
38:51
Coffey. I know coffee is in there.
38:54
I could be completely wrong, but we will play that.
38:56
When we come back, we'll talk about our last topic.
38:57
We'll talk about Aaron Rodgers and if he will sign with the
39:01
Steelers or not as he continues to draw his long drama field
39:04
offseason like he does every single season, as Jackson knows
39:07
very well-being a Packers fan. When we come back, we'll dive
39:09
into that. All right, welcome back into
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And shout out to Coffee Anderson.
42:18
I knew coffee was in there. I don't know why I thought of
42:19
telling Coffee like from the Green Mile, like great, great
42:21
movie, by the way, great actor. RIP to him.
42:25
But shout out to Coffee Anderson for you can't spell hero without
42:28
her. Back here with Jackson for our
42:30
last topic of the night. We're going to talk about Aaron
42:33
Rodgers and all the rumors has it all the signs point to he's
42:38
going to sign with Pittsburgh. He's going to be a Steeler.
42:42
Realistically, that's the only halfway decent spot left that
42:46
truly needs a quarterback. They didn't they they did draft
42:49
to do, they drafted Will Howard in the sixth round.
42:52
But right now their quarterback room is Will Howard, Skylar
42:56
Thompson and Mason Rudolph. So not a whole lot of hope
43:01
there, just just to start out with.
43:05
But Pittsburgh kind of made news this past week because they
43:09
traded George Pickens to Dallas. So Pittsburgh kind of goes from
43:14
you got two really big diva wide receivers and Pickens and
43:17
Metcalf of OK, well, Sir, big dudes to throw to, you're going
43:21
to throw to one while the other gets in a fist fight with the
43:23
defensive back. So I mean, they're going to be
43:26
open, but two big diva wide receivers, a potential huge diva
43:31
in quarterback. Do you think the Pickens move
43:34
maybe deters Rogers a little bit?
43:37
Or again, do you think that realistically this this is kind
43:41
of his last shot and his last place to go to?
43:43
Because I know he wanted to go to Minnesota, funny enough,
43:46
wanted to complete the Brett Favre villain arc.
43:48
You know, he hated Brett Favre forever.
43:52
Like you are following his exact footsteps to a tee.
43:57
You know, the Vikings didn't want him.
43:59
I know there's rumors he might try to go to the Giants, but
44:01
again, kind of looking at the Giants and what they have,
44:05
that's a little bit of a mess and I don't know if the Giants
44:08
want to put up with that or not. You.
44:11
Probably not at this point. Yeah.
44:14
I do think it is the only option.
44:16
The only other one that even makes any sense is the Saints
44:20
now. Now that their car is retired, I
44:23
guess maybe, But I think the Steelers is the only one that
44:29
makes I didn't mean Steelers need that.
44:31
I mean like desperately. Like they went out and did and
44:36
got decaf and paid them a bunch of money because they want to
44:38
win, not because they want to start Mason Rudolph.
44:43
I think they've I would hope the Steelers have seen enough of
44:46
Mason Rudolph. And the weird thing this time
44:49
around is he keeps alluding to like, this big, like personal
44:53
matter that is just taking such a big precedent in his life.
44:58
I have no idea what that could be about.
45:00
I don't know if he's having a kid or if he's like, I don't
45:04
know. But there's something going on
45:06
that's holding him up. But I do think he and ultimately
45:09
ends up a Steeler. See, here's The funny thing.
45:12
I don't, I don't see him having a like realistically, because at
45:18
least with what I would say the last 7 to 8 years is when I feel
45:25
like Aaron has really kind of come out of his shell and really
45:29
been more of a vocal diva of I want this, I only want this.
45:35
It's all about me. You know, I, I said it for years
45:38
and I, I don't know if you remember in the group chats or
45:40
not. You know, I used to say it for
45:41
years with Green Bay. It was like he would take him to
45:44
the one seed and they would host and then they'd lose.
45:48
And then the very next year, he's like, Oh, I need more
45:49
money. So then you can very then like
45:51
the very next day he's complaining, Oh, they're not
45:53
getting me any help from like what?
45:55
Like what cap space do they have left?
45:56
Dude? Like any, any cap space they
45:58
have open, you're like, you need to pay me more money.
46:01
But you could use that to go get like a free agent wide receiver
46:05
like you, you could get help. No, I need more money.
46:08
The math is not math in my guy, but.
46:11
He was definitely getting paid a pretty penny by Green Bay for a
46:14
while there for a long time. But but I think it's funny
46:18
because if you remember last year, it was what, the darkness
46:20
retreat of like, oh, am I going to retire?
46:22
Am I not going to retire? He's doing like the whole
46:24
Groundhog Day thing. If he sees a shadow, he's going
46:27
to retire. And yeah, now this year it's
46:29
like he he's been more open. He's like, yeah, I don't know if
46:33
I want to sign yet. And it's like he he just kind of
46:35
goes dark for a little bit, then he comes back up, then it then
46:38
it goes away. Yeah.
46:40
I completely forgot all about the Saints with Derek Carr
46:42
retiring. But it again, I kind of look at
46:45
the Saints, though. It's like you, you have a new
46:47
head coach that's a young offensive guy.
46:50
I don't know how well Aaron would take that.
46:54
And realistically, you know, what do the Saints have to work
46:56
with? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it
46:58
makes a lot of sense for him. You know, he he, he's probably
47:01
got one year left. You would think he would want to
47:04
go to a team that actually can compete.
47:08
My thing is if he's like waiting this long, like maybe he thinks
47:12
like he doesn't have it and if he thinks that that that's the
47:15
case, then he should just hang it up.
47:18
I will say with Rodgers, obviously, you know, I've always
47:21
been a big fan of his. I think he did get a lot better
47:25
as the year went on. Coming off that Achilles, you
47:28
know, a 40 year old coming off an Achilles injury was never
47:31
going to be very good once the season was basically over for
47:36
them. Is ironically when he started
47:38
actually playing decent, right? I think he could do something
47:43
with the with the Steelers. I think he could probably take
47:45
him to the playoffs and maybe just get bounced in the first.
47:49
But I I really am interested. Like I don't really know what
47:52
the hold up is because that's the only, it's the only place.
47:56
Yeah, because that's kind of my thought.
47:58
I'm like I because I get it, You don't necessarily have to be
48:01
there for a lot of the offseason stuff, but it's like, you know,
48:03
why not? Why not start getting the
48:05
chemistry started now, you know, get to get to know your
48:08
offensive line guys? You know, I know running back
48:10
was a little bit of a question for them as and whatnot.
48:13
I know they drafted a Caleb Johnson out of Iowa.
48:15
Apparently they signed another big name in the backfield.
48:18
I don't remember who it is. It it's not one of those like
48:22
it's not like eye popping, but it was kind of a fairly big name
48:24
that they signed. You know, they traded for DK and
48:28
at one point had DK and George Pickens both.
48:30
You still got Pratt, Pat Fryermuth at tight end, and
48:34
obviously the defense is still solid.
48:35
You know, you still got TJ Watt, you've still got Mika
48:37
Fitzpatrick, Cam Hayward still checking along.
48:41
You know, 40 years later, man is still still playing for the
48:44
Steelers and whatnot. So there is a lot of potential
48:49
there. And I don't disagree.
48:51
I think he could very well take them potentially into the first
48:55
round. Here's where I think he would
48:57
struggle though, is the division that he's in with the AFC North
49:03
'cause you know, you've got to face since he twice and albeit
49:08
defensively since he's probably not going to do much their score
49:12
a ton of points on you. You know, Baltimore kind of the
49:16
same thing. They always have a tough time
49:18
with Baltimore no matter what. And even though Cleveland is the
49:22
Browns and is a brown show, you know they're you know, they've
49:27
kind of split the series with Pittsburgh last couple years and
49:29
what not as far as making it making it pesky for him.
49:32
So it's like, you know, would he even make it as a wild card team
49:36
type of thing? Yeah, I think he just, I think
49:40
it's more just trusting Tomlin more than anything.
49:43
Trust Tomlin to. He's done it with worse, really.
49:47
Realistically, I definitely see why he wanted to go to the
49:51
Vikings. That's a much better situation
49:54
where you can just sling it with Kevin O'Connell and Justin
49:57
Jefferson and Jordan Addison. Jordan Addison, Yeah.
50:01
Now Ty Felton too. I.
50:03
Don't know why that was the goal, but Hawkinson.
50:08
Yeah, like it's like I said, I just think it's funny.
50:11
He tried to complete the the Har Phil and arc.
50:13
And even though again, I know, I know you probably saw it or
50:16
maybe you didn't, you know, I know it might be close to any of
50:19
your time because I remember, you know, they they kind of
50:22
asked him, you know, how did you feel about Brett Favre and
50:23
mentor? He's like, oh, Brett never
50:25
taught me. Brett never taught me anything.
50:27
Like he was so anti Brett Favre. Brett like him.
50:30
It was. It was pretty mutual.
50:33
And, and, and realistically, like, if you're looking at it
50:35
from Brett's perspective, like, you know, you've been the guy,
50:38
like you, he was what, a like seventh round pick, like third
50:44
round pick for Atlanta, like he was super low on the depth
50:47
chart. Atlanta didn't really play Green
50:49
Bay trades for him. His first game is an absolute
50:52
disaster and I think four games in he has this like massive win.
50:57
And then he's the starter for Green Bay for, you know, almost
51:00
2 decades and, you know, sets all these records, does all this
51:03
greatness, even gets Green Bay to Super Bowl and wins them one,
51:07
which is something Aaron was able to do.
51:09
But yeah, I'm just kind of sitting there and I'm like, I
51:12
get it because it's like, I've been doing this for years and
51:14
then you get the kid to replace me.
51:16
Like, no, I don't. I'm not going to train my
51:18
replacement. Like that's not happening.
51:20
But it's the Packers way. I did it again with Love.
51:25
They did, but I feel. They're always thinking 2 steps
51:27
ahead. But I feel like Aaron was maybe
51:29
a little bit more accepting of love, not like, hey, kid, let me
51:33
take you under my wing. I feel like he's maybe a little
51:35
bit more open. But again, if you don't like the
51:38
guy that you know is like, hey, not training you, kid.
51:41
Absolutely not. Why are you following in his
51:43
footsteps? Why did you go to The Jets?
51:45
Brett Favre went to The Jets. Don't go to The Jets, go
51:48
anywhere. But The Jets?
51:49
Anybody would want to go to The Jets.
51:51
Ever. And then he's like.
51:53
Place where quarterback's going to die.
51:55
And so not only then are you going to have to hear all you're
51:58
following Brett Favre's footsteps.
51:59
You went to The Jets, now it's I want to go to the Vikings.
52:03
There's another Green Bay Jets quarterback did that too.
52:06
Or #4 and also went to the Vikings.
52:10
I think he he definitely, he knew that he was well aware.
52:14
He just wanted to do it for shits and giggles.
52:16
Probably. Maybe.
52:17
He did what if, what if kind of find out like him and him and
52:20
Brett Farr were just like best Bros now.
52:22
And he's like, you know. What I think they are like
52:24
pretty cool and I don't know how they're like friends, but I
52:26
think they did kind of mend the fences a little bit.
52:30
I, I think they did, I think when I think when Farve came up
52:33
there a couple years ago and they did the, they'd retired his
52:36
number in his jersey and whatnot.
52:37
I, I think I remember them saying like, Hey, you know,
52:40
Aaron, how do you feel about, you know, Brett coming up here?
52:42
He's like, oh, Brett, Brett and I are fine.
52:44
Like we're, we're all good terms.
52:45
Like everything's cool. Like no, we're getting stuff of
52:48
Brett even though he still wanted to follow the villain arc
52:52
which which? Makes me laugh.
52:55
It would have been ironic. It would.
52:55
Have been perfect. Oh yeah, I was kind of rooting
53:00
for it, honestly. Like there and.
53:02
And. Even if somebody, even if
53:05
somebody who you know, I, I follow and root for debears.
53:09
Like, there's a small part of me was like, you know, you have the
53:14
opportunity to do the funniest thing and take the Brett Favre
53:17
villain arc and multiply it by like 5 because Packers fans, the
53:22
Vikings fans already don't get along if you were to come to the
53:25
Bears. Oh my.
53:28
God. Ultimate villain arc if you were
53:30
to do that, man. He just doesn't need to do that.
53:33
He's already got stake in the in the team, he doesn't need to
53:36
play for him too. I was going to say what what
53:38
better part be like, well, I own the Bears, so why don't I just
53:41
be their starting quarterback? Like again, there's so many.
53:44
Like delusion or something there and probably wasn't allowed.
53:47
Like like as big a wrestling fans as you and I are like
53:50
there's so many like Seth Rollins villain arc storylines
53:53
he could have taken their. Biggest heel turn?
53:56
Exactly. Biggest heel turn.
53:57
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54:01
you hanging out and talking some football.
54:03
What? Not with me man.
54:06
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