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Panthers’ New Bryce Mentor + Miami Fire Sale?! What Darrell Bevell Means for Carolina · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tell your darling, and not to her, but to do her brother, let's roll!
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's good Panther fans?
• 0:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: New Bryce Mentor, Miami Fire Cell?
• 0:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: What Darrell Bevel means for Carolina?
• 0:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's tonight's show.
• 0:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: The guru, the cat boom, and the Panthers window may just be opening.
• 0:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: For the first time in years, the Panthers aren't rebuilding.
• 0:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: They could be actually charting a direction.
• 0:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be talking about the return of franchise Ironman, J.J. J. J. Janssen, the arrival of QB mentor, Darrell Bevel, a rising salary cap that suddenly makes Carolina potentially a player, even though somehow they don't have any money right now.
• 1:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the possibility for some real defensive,
• 1:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: or real difference makers.
• 1:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Should I say hitting the market?
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: My name's Tony Dunn.
• 1:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the C3 Panthers podcast.
• 1:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's Tuesday night.
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's CK.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: How you doing my friend?
• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Man, you know, more of the same man just happy to be here with the fella.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: I guess we can say that.
• 1:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then without
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: in the show this evening.
• 1:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: But they were still somehow some panther stuff to talk about between, you know, obviously talking about upcoming free agencies, some teams that have gone on their fire sale.
• 1:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, I believe if I'm not mistaken, we're just very shortly going to be having
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, without Cody, I don't know how we're going to be able to jump up the excitement in this.
• 2:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but, uh, and then we have some old Panthers legends getting, you know, kind of burying the hatchet between Cam and Steve, which we can touch on very, you know, briefly as there wasn't a lot of bombshells in that little, uh, uh, you know, meet up between the two of those guys.
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: But, and, uh, somehow we are going to find a way to talk about the Carolina Panthers every single Tuesday.
• 2:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's seemingly would be nothing to talk about.
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we got actually a lot of good things in store for you guys tonight as we chase down some free agent opportunities and see how the Carolina Panthers can work within their current cap circumstances.
• 2:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: do us a solid smash the thumbs up button subscribe to the show if you're listening later on iTunes or Spotify leave us a five star review if you will participate in the chat and be a part of tonight's show by calling in at two five two two two eight fifty ninety eight that's two five two two eight fifty ninety eight let's go ahead and jump right in I guess this is you want to talk about continuity
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: JJ J. Johnson returns to the Carolina Panthers for I believe what will be his says 18th season.
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's either he's had 18 seasons or he's going into his 18th or into his 19th or he's had 18 or this is his 18th anyway.
• 3:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's the last link to the Carolina Panthers Super Bowl.
• 3:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's the longest
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe the longest tinned player in the NFL all together, he's played 18 seasons.
• 3:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said 277 games and he's an anchor for this team.
• 3:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: We talked about it last week.
• 3:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: that this was somebody that could be on the radar.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: JJ Jansson coming back given us, hey, if there's anything, it's Tuesday night.
• 3:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the C3 Panthers podcast and JJ Jansson has been a Panther the entire time we've done this podcast.
• 4:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: uh... it's uh... it's quite interesting to have a guy that the thing that's interesting about his position is when you see people play this late it's usually from a less physical uh... you know role right was a long snapper you're talking about the dude has to fight through blocks uh... he has to block but also a fight through blocks to get down and cover puns and
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, be a really big asset on the special teams and the dudes donated a pretty high level for 18 seasons now.
• 4:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm happy to have him back.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: At some point, we're going to have to start a date about live after JJ.
• 4:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: But man, the dude wants to retire a panther and we can get another year of that consistency.
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: I am all for the dude coming back.
• 4:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: That time of live after JJ is not here yet.
• 4:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Even though Matt rule,
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: tried to draft them out of town and then ended up resigning them.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Carolina in the years after has found out that there are no full JJ J. J. Jansson's here to stay.
• 5:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me ask you this, C. K. Is there's bringing a veteran like Jansson?
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: How important is this to the stability of of the team, I guess it?
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, is it?
• 5:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I know it's kind of an outside
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, it's not like a crazy position.
• 5:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying is like it's like this is does it bring any continuity to the team or is this just kind of a feel good story.
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I think it's, uh, it can be all of the above to be honest with you.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think JJ Jant Jansson being here is not only about his ability to, I mean, you tell me the last time we've had any type of an issue with the snaps.
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: you know, right.
• 5:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've never noticed anything.
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you're talking about a pretty high level, you know, player at that, uh, and on top of that, I mean, I think from a cultural standpoint, the guys going to be able to bring a lot more to this locker room than I think people realize.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: Especially when you see that he does the cart talk, you know, he clearly has great relationships with everybody on special teams and I think everybody in that building ultimately.
• 6:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I do think that this was important just to kind of keep the consistency of the team together because I think that that position is pretty important.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: stability and long snappers don't win championships necessarily.
• 6:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: They are important though as the nuke of the north says, but if you want to win games, this team has got to have some vision and their coaching staff for the players that they have on the roster or the players that they're acquiring.
• 6:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And all eyes C.K.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: have been on Dave can now this past season of is this guy can he get this offense going and how can Bryce young, how can he make the most of him while we've seen improvements.
• 7:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is these guys are kind of linked it feels like a little bit maybe not linked forever.
• 7:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: But this is what Dave can now this was brought here to do and the offense
• 7:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's not that great this this season CK so it looks like Dave Canalis has gone out and done something important potentially the most important panther's higher nobody outside of Charlotte is talking about they went and got
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Darrell Bevel, Darrell Bevel, a little QB whisper.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when I say little QB whisper, he's actually specializes in designing offense for smaller QBs, right?
• 7:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is he has, look at some of the things from him,
• 7:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: is that he, he's built offenses for elite quarterbacks from Russell Wilson and Seattle, which goes back to a Dave Canalist connection.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: He worked with Brett Farve Lake in his late career resurgence.
• 8:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: He ran a top 10 passing offense with Matt Stafford and a help to attack of Aloha lead the league and passer rating in yards at some at one point, or at least ushered
• 8:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: This higher may be important.
• 8:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: See, Kay will start with this.
• 8:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Does Bryce need this tutoring, or does he just need it added protection and can Bryce, I mean, can't beveled, do you think?
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Could he be an answer to help Dave can Alice out?
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Sure, I mean, I think that this could be a move that shows that Dave can Alice is in everything that needs to be necessary
• 8:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: them to be able to be for him to be able to make get the most out of the price.
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: So that's what I would say.
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think that there's always the upside, there's always the other side of this where too many people in his ear and all of that that I could see coming into play on this.
• 9:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I think, you know, just his track record certainly is worthy of a scene if you can do something to increase the productivity of price going into year four.
• 9:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: But this isn't a super exciting move to me in an opinion.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like this.
• 9:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is something that could be very helpful because we go and look at like Dave can Alice and you go, oh, look at him.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was with Seattle and they got a lot out of In the years that they got a lot out of Russell Wilson and then you go, oh, look, he went to the first year.
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: called an offense where the only year he called an offense prior to coming to Carolina was in Tampa and he got a lot out of I guess it was Baker Mayfield in his first year with Tampa Bay and we gave in so many years like oh well this guy he knows how to work with quarterbacks.
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's an offensive mind and all of this and you know what is he's a young he's young Dave can Alice is a young ultimately relatively inexperienced coach while he's been in the league and was Seattle for a long time not necessarily in giant roles right and so as he took over and had coach and I think he's done a a noteworthy or a respectable job right he's got his trending at least it feels like in
• 10:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: the right direction, and most importantly, when things felt like they could have come off the rails, he was able to keep these teams together and navigate some kind of troubled waters.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we saw that play calling for him, or at least it felt like managing the duties of head coach and offensive coordinator.
• 10:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: at times were a little difficult.
• 10:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think this is like you're bringing in somebody who where you keep the structure of him calling plays, we've debated whether that's the right move, you keep Chad, what's his name?
• 10:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Chad Isick.
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: As in Chad Isick is the offensive coordinator, or at least that's what they say.
• 11:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you but you're bringing in a guy I think that really has a
• 11:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: and continue to try to usher him into that next phase.
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And hopefully this takes some pressure off of Dave Canales to do everything.
• 11:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, that's the hope is that you free him up to be able to be more of an architect for the entire team, more so than just the architect for the offense or just for Bryson.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, when you came in as the head coach, the number one goal for him and think everybody saw him coming in was to fix Bryson, that was his priority number one.
• 11:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: And now we're two years into his tenure, now this is going into his third year.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think we just got to the playoffs for the first time in ten years, almost.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's fair to say, let's allow him to take a step away from just all of the focus on Bryce, allow him to focus on the bigger picture.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then these guys can be a little bit more intentional on a more individualized basis with Bryce.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: And many other position groups, you know, even, you know, other parts of the offense as well.
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll see what this does for his ability to be able to keep this team together and continue to move it in the right direction.
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think we all can agree.
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: We are not where we want to be.
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, even though we had a pretty valiant effort towards into the year with that playoff
• 12:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's still a lot of work to be done and I'm a fan of anything he can do to focus himself up on the building, the bigger picture of the team and not something that's just so specific to one individual player.
• 12:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for everybody listening, VR, let's keep some shout outs to the chat.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: VR, the hoop dealer in here, Harvey London, just, oh, just Inc. 2038.
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's good?
• 13:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've got my bastard son, white chocolate, espresso, Nanook, or the North, John B. Jenkins.
• 13:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Panther gal and I think that's about every, oh, but blind Panther vlog in there.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've got a small but mighty crowd in the off season as where or kind of drumming up conversation.
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: But look, is that the league is about to take off as we hit news of today.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think was the first day that you could tender
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: The franchise tag right not really many candidates when it comes to the Carolina Panthers at that moment, but really football is about to ramp up with Free agency on the horizon and we've got some news going of regarding that is right now expect a little fuel in the tank
• 13:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: for this Carolina Panthers trying to get a little momentum as the salary cap is likely going to be between $300 and $305 million, which is roughly about a $25 million increase league-wide per team and the Panthers hopefully can create far more space by adjusting and working on the roster they have, maybe we've got some outlines of some plans or some potential teams, other teams
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Carolina might be moving, or I should be asking, are they going to be bargain shopping right now?
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: They are not at the terribly great shape when it comes to the cap.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: When will they ever be, I do not know, but will they be bargaining shopping or will they be making some noise in free agency?
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll ask you guys in the chat to chime in and let me know.
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: CK is this, the offseason
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's, I think we have to be willing to splash at least once in the free agency.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that has to be something that we'll talk about a little bit later in what position group I believe we need to be doing that.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I think we need to do more of the same that we did last year.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: When we see how many players, or how many games the people we drafted last year, we need to do another one of those types of things.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Players in here that we draft that we've produced, you know, we build up and get better and better and better and allow this team to grow organically into the culture that we want it to be.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's only because I think that we don't have the the core that we need to be able to just to find the big splash I just again, I said it last year, I think I still maintain this I don't think we're one player away.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: right i think we really need to do what we did last year which is draft guys that can contribute immediately um and dude when i mean i'm telling you if you look at how many games were played by rookies last year that were drafted last year uh for the panthers it's pretty astonishing compared to every other team like we had like pretty much every rookie player playing over 15 games last year
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you got some good production down the stretch from some of those guys right now CK the Panthers entered the 2026 off season with about 13 million dollars in effective cat cat space and they write in the bottom third of league flexibility, you know, I think they're 19th in overall cap or 22 around that it ranked in the league.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: But there are some pathways for GM Dan Morgan to clear up a maybe upwards of 80 million if they went crazily aggressive.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they were in a win now.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would expect this to be middle of the road because the idea of this team trying to somehow only have in 13 million.
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe if you add 25 more
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: really the Panthers you have to demand 30 million you got to spend like five million or more on just sign in your rookies.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to need more.
• 17:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like anything under 4045 is like you're working with pennies here.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like I believe it was,
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Marcus Cache, 78, 70, he said need to restructure Damien Lewis, Robert and Taylor Moton.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So here are some actual high impact suggestions, high impact, restructure candidates, right?
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what restructuring evolves, it evolves, converting your base salary into a signing bonus to spread the hit over the future years.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this is a fast way of creating cap space and maintaining the players you've got.
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: So they don't lose any money.
• 17:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: What you do is you distribute it differently.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: But the issue with restructuring is that when, if and when the time comes that you are,
• 18:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: in need of moving on from these players, you often have to suck up a little bit or a significant amount more dead money because when you spread that salary of the bonus out they spread out say say you got a 40 million signing bonus over four years and you have a four-year contract they spread out out evenly 10 million 10 million 10 million but if you part ways with that player
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: that's left over all at once.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: So here are some potential ways that the Carolina Panthers and it aligns with Marcus Cash 78, 570.
• 18:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for that comment, Marcus.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He says, well, he's saying these three guys, he pointed to Taylor Moton, Robert Hunt and Damian Lewis.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some other names, and we often see
• 18:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: restructuring taking place with guys who have recently signed because you plan on keeping those guys around jc horn could be a candidate for restructuring which could potentially spread out the money in a way that could
• 19:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh, open 10 to 12 million dollars up.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Robert Hunt is another restructure candidate that could in the same about the same range close to 11.8 million.
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Derek Brown can convert his salary and save 11.6 million and Taylor Bowton is one of those names.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe even though some have suggested that Trevor Moore could potentially be this.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's so under pay.
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, I'm thinking
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: that you did right there.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So CK, your thoughts on the Carolina Panthers.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I feel this is urgent that the Panthers need to work to, I mean, not build everything in a day, but you have to continue to be relevant and grow and not miss your moment.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Your moment can't always be down, down the road.
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it doesn't mean like one piece or one thing.
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you feel about on this list?
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: To me, I'm most interested, I think, in a J.C. horn or Derek Brown restructure, because I feel like those guys are guaranteed to stick around to stick around the longest.
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I just, I mean, more likely Derek Brown, I don't think you're one with one year into J.C. horns contract and you're going to turn around and do a restructure there.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think the, the, we've restructured Taylor boat in so many times.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't really know how we can continue to do that.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: The Robert Hunt one could be interesting.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think that one makes a little more sense because we did a longer deal for him, right?
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: But Damian Lewis was a three year Robert Hunt IV, right?
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I believe so.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I feel I feel like the argument for maybe Hunt could be more valuable, especially if you insist.
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that dude's a, that's a, that's a dude you can build an offensive line around.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we, we, we believe that, but he is.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: coming off of significant injury right that he tried to go back out on the field not that I don't believe he's going to be the player that he was
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: that this is going to be a long term, but you have to see how he comes back, right?
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is this is one injury lead to another because you're compensating, you know, we got a scene like you got nicked up when he did come back, you still continue to play.
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of of the opinion that JC Horne might be the candidate because you are, you signed them to five years.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: What would, I mean, I don't know is like, how do you then, I don't even know what what you would do.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: You put a void year at the end, maybe maybe it's something like that.
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it's something like that.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: It could be or no, you just salary to signing bonus, then they re allocate that whatever law salary is.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Does that mean that he's got my half to pull it up to see what he's going to make this year, but I think that like is if you had if let me ask you this is if you had to bet on who was going to be a Carolina panther in three years, do you think the odds are higher for JC horn a Robert hunt.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: gosh, I'm going to say Robert Hunt.
• 22:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the straight bait, the top corner and the league in a couple of years.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that we value that offensive line way too much.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, way more, I'm not saying we don't value the cornerback position.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just stating that number one, let's be real about it.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: JC horns and it was off a down year.
• 22:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: He was not this, he was not the same guy
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: You would have paid that we he was not the same corner back that we paid live at the beginning of last year for the majority of the year last year not saying we had a better season he outperformed his contract is what you're saying.
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, I think he underperformed because he had the best season.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said, oh, yeah, right.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Most pigs in the world, that was that was made to, I mean, no, that was, he, if you, if we, if we based what we saw this year off of what God him paid, it's a completely different.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: it's a completely different season than he had the year before.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying the year before was like this unbelievable game or you know year, but this past year was absolutely not not a game against them hard.
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Not a couple of games.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was there were quite a few games where he was a liability corn did not have a great year this year.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, yeah, look, as the chats great, Nanook of the North said, Mike Jack had a great year horn, not so much.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought I did think he had a lot of picks this year, though.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he at the very beginning of the year, I think he had like, he had, he has on pace for a good year.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's no end this half, is this?
• 24:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, he had then, then he had the fall down, get, I think what really just sticks out is you had that Saints game.
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was at home.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then there was another game late in the season where he just was a little out of sorts or, you know, I mean, he had moments, but you're this interesting, it's good point, I guess, is to think about as was he as consistent as you need him to be and maybe if he does come out and continue to just impress and press, right, as you're starting to try to find ways to
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: gain talent later on, maybe you're talking about doing one of those trades in the future where Tracy Horn is somebody that people want to go after.
• 24:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's in our next season, but you could see in three seasons, he's a top tier corner.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: His he's ready for the new contract.
• 25:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe there would be some trade bait there.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting to watch.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be watching who how they these guys horn hunt, brown, Moton and morgue.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: How you guys think that they are going to deal with their contract.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So let's know in the chat what you think about that.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, here's some kind of a different talk right here and somebody brought it up in the chat.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I believe it was by the way, a C3 Superfan VR, the Hope dealer.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can be a C3 Superfan for a dollar 99 a month and help us keep the lights on, particularly in this slow season.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Many hands make for light work.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said, I hope, A-shon Robinson's not a cat casualty.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here are I don't think I out of this list there's one I'm going to give you that I don't think is anywhere close to being one because anytime you see post June first cuts I mean really I don't know how much that helps you you are really given them you for the short end of the stick.
• 26:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: by not allowing them to, um, I guess enjoy the free agency period, right?
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: A. Sean Robinson, if he was a post-June first cut or a trade would save the Panthers 10.5 million and only have a dead money of two million.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you are, it's like, is this a guy?
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought he was a good player for this team this year, but is he on the older side and a guy
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: At least, you're going to have to start to rely on some of those free agents that you picked up in Bobby Brown, third, and Tirk Wharton, maybe you're calling for them to have a larger role.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the one name, I think, when it comes to a post-Jumanke.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: cut that doesn't make any sense really make that financially you could save up to $13 million Damian Lewis right is I think that maybe that's a candidate for how to the panthers maybe even work a new deal out
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that says that's our best bet with Damian Lewis is a like a pad contract extension.
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what our year, which is by the way important for you, everybody to recognize he's coming off of the best year that I think we might have had in a long time from a defensive attack or offensive
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so some people are saying YouTube is down.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, it's psych.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I guess it's back.
• 27:36
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• 27:37
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• 27:39
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• 27:39
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• 27:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So don't restructure Motons contract.
• 27:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think I kind of agree with this is looking about an incredible player for the Carolina Panthers has been so available.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is availability has been.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: one of his top abilities and on top of that he's just been a good tackle good right tackle, but he is getting along in the tooth CK and I don't know how much you want to continue to force the marriage to work and I'm not saying move on from him I'm not saying this is but like you don't want to get in stuck where this helps you a little bit right now and hurts you a lot more down the road.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I'm kind of with you is that the Taylor Moton, I don't know if that is a restructure that is ideal, but he has been a consistent player for the Carolina Panthers.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I tell you this, as we talked in the past weeks, when it comes to the offensive line, particularly with the Kimquanos injury, a big time injury that faces really a lot of, or a breggs,
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: provide the protection for Bryce Young that matches the investment that they made, you know, losing that piece or You can't have that anytime soon.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you guys, you're gonna.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure Dan Morgan and who's the giant head guy?
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: His assistant What's his name?
• 29:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Brad.
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now that you're a Okay, YouTube is glitching now interesting
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: you're, uh, oh gosh, Brandon.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's got the huge head.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: He came to the city.
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: What's his name?
• 29:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Brent tell us or Brent.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Tell us.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Brent.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not questioning myself.
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: The first is last name.
• 29:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not our congressman.
• 29:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not our congressman in North Carolina.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: But you could tell we're in off season mode, because we've already lost a very information in our lives.
• 29:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, is I'm terrible with these names anyways.
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know who I'm talking about.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Giant head guy who was brought from Kansas City to manage the money and to be that has worked in Unison.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: So well with Dan Morgan, at least that's how they described that relationship.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's he's got his work cut out for him right now is the Carolina Panthers are trying to navigate that offensive line right there and Taylor Motin though I don't know how you can I don't see him going anywhere any time soon necessarily, but the Panthers are going to need to make additions that offensive line.
• 30:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I guess maybe, maybe they have to take a bullet in an eat some money in some restructures down the road to make sure that they don't lose the gains that they've had.
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some other names on the list, Patrick Jones, the second who went out loss, missed the, actually most of the entire season with a back injury, I believe.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cutting can be cut him and
• 30:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Moving off from him at tight end could open up 6 million and Andy Dalton 2 million.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some people were saying that we should keep Andy Dalton.
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know the Carolina Panthers have talked about continuing to build that quarterback room.
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're thought it's an Andy Dalton and Tommy Trimbles, okay?
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so the Tommy Trimble is going to feel more like emotional than anything to get right of him, uh, just because, you know, a homegrown, we wanted to keep him in here for probably just, you know, but it's just not working in my opinion, like nothing is feeling like it's like he doesn't feel like he's a liability, but at the end of the day,
• 31:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Tommy Trimble.
• 31:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: On the team.
• 31:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I feel like that with all of our tight ends for the history of football, since we've had Greg Olsen is like a medium.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: We always rely on them.
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: We need them in this past these past protections.
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: You need these guys when you're kicking field goals and kicking points.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they always tell us how important they are.
• 32:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we just never
• 32:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, get to see we just had one guy that stepped up and I think that was with, uh, Jutavia Sanders, which was so disappointing for many of us this season, he's ready for that.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're ready for a tie-in to have a second year that's better than his rookie year.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that goes for every single tie-in we've had since Greg Olson left.
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: How much of this is the tie-in or how much of it is the game plan?
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: like I just don't know about it.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe that.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, then are you going to ask the question, is it can price not throw them?
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just have a hard time believing that you've got guys that are so much better.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and we apologize to Xavier Sanders beat and consistent this year.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: See, okay.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, we've seen these, I mean, we don't have anybody I think that we would be like we need to make sure we're game planning around these guys getting the ball, right?
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's just, there's nobody from the tight end role that we've had that we've felt that way.
• 33:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just, you know, the fact that we don't throw to the tight end, but, you know, such a feat, like it, it, I almost makes me feel like we have an entire offense that is intended not to
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: you know, target titans, which is interesting.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so I mean, I, I'm willing to, I'm willing to still have Tommy Trimble back, but I, you know, the problem is I just feel like what he does is replaceable by somebody who is half the salary if not lower.
• 33:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So now that the Carolina Panthers, um, what we know of, um, of what is going on with this team, right, or at least where they're at.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, uh, this right here.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, let me see what we got here is there are three pathways of as I tried to look at Um, what other teams and similar situations in the past have done.
• 34:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, that have addressed, you know, look is you're not your middle of the pack.
• 34:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh, in cap spending, but you also have potential, uh, to, to do something, right?
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not, or it's not urgent, but just kicking the, like, just sitting is not necessarily can't do that in NFL, okay?
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can't just sit.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Panthers have to at the very minimum incrementally get better right they have to make this team from a roster standpoint better every single year and I don't know how the Carolina Panthers
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: never have any money.
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't get it.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't get how that's the the case.
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess if we were trying to understand, I guess we do get it.
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: They signed JC Horn, they paid dirt brown, they have paid an offensive line, but this is what all teams have to do at some point.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: So here's three,
• 35:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: different ways that teams have tried to do this in the past CK.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: You have the damn dastardly New Orleans Saints.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're blueprint.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: The kick, the canned strategy.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're the gold standard for manufacturer and call uh cap space.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: We know it.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's that voodoo cap.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's what uh code used to say the cap doesn't mean anything.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just look at what New Orleans does.
• 35:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: In 2021,
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: and somehow managed to be compliant without a complete roster fire sale.
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what did they do?
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead, Sikka.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to say, but they've also not been a relevant team since then.
• 35:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have been saying since Drew Breeze before he retired, we had been saying there with the other shoe was going to drop for New Orleans, right, and finally did at that point, right, but they still got somehow another year, they juiced it for another year, right, what did they do?
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: They converted massive base salaries into signing bonuses and added void years.
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is kind of a kick the canned strategy.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and they spread the cap hit as thin as possible.
• 36:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like if this would what would be the strategy of Carolina did this as they restructured dirt brown, Robert Hunts, add void years, and it would maximize release.
• 36:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: But there's a ton of risk with this EK like you said is when, when did the shoe drop it dropped and I think that with the Saints, the difference being,
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: in comparison to Carolina Panthers is that that Drew Breeze window was closing and I don't even know if he was still around in 2021.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's not the same year that that Luke did.
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that would have been what?
• 37:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: 19, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20.
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I look, is like you said, is there's a big risk with this?
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that is, that eventually catches up to you.
• 37:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Somehow the Saints did this for a decade.
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't just 2020, 2020, one that they did that.
• 37:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you can, if you are in a,
• 37:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: viable contention strategy, as you just say this, is we're ready to suck it up later.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's juice this right now.
• 37:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that's the great analogy for the Carolina Panthers, right?
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because the Saints have remained in Cap Hell.
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... for years after and it's it's often forced their hand in having to trade away players or uh... cut important players and that have made them somehow irrelevant but you know what they still had the same damn amount of men's wins we did see k
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it doesn't make us feel great about winning the NFC South to know that that team is struggled mightily and, you know, right now that going into this year, it legitimately is anybody's game is who's going to win the NFC South.
• 38:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: So, I mean, who knows, maybe that is the approach that we have to take this year.
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that to me, that seems like the only reason the bull approach that we
• 38:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: You do what the rams have done in the past, right?
• 38:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're famous for kind of like fuck them picks that we made in the past.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Reset, quick, add talent, add cheaper talent.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: When they realized they were top heavy and they liked depth.
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they've swallowed some tough pills moving on from some big name, high price veterans in the past.
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: um, and accepting that a year of high-debt money to reset the books for the following season.
• 39:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I would hate the idea that the Carolina Panthers could just be like, you know what is we got into the playoffs, but we're back to rebuild.
• 39:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you were going to do this for the Carolina Panthers, it would include cutting players like Asian Robinson or Damian Lewis doing something like that.
• 39:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it would hurt your depth in 2026, but it would clear up space for 2027.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think the Panthers have the luxury of going
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: you more importantly than any of them.
• 39:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I mean, I don't know if I can take it.
• 39:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is we're sitting here grinding out all of these damn things in the offseason.
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're trying to tell me we're going backwards.
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, not this team better be moving forward.
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think that that that's going to be if we were going backwards.
• 39:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: The difference between what the Rams did and what we're doing is the Rams made it to the top and eventually they were going to have to reset it at some point and they just were willing to make the cuts they needed to to go down the mountain a little bit so that the trek back up wasn't that bad we're not even halfway up the mountain.
• 40:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I got to just be Anthony on this is in like he says to be fair.
• 40:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have a pretty quick two-year turnaround.
• 40:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: 2023 was disastrous and this roster still has tons of holes to fill.
• 40:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we still made the playoffs.
• 40:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now where I disagree is this.
• 40:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do not disagree that 2023 was disastrous.
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't really think that the Panthers have
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: etched out this strong direction I think I need to see more from this team is that if this team isn't winning more games
• 40:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: next year coming up and they did last year if they are at the very minimum finishing the season like they did this year or even worse finishing less.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've got some real struggles doing this continuing.
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm always going to continue.
• 41:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it makes Sunday's hard.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right?
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that is this season wasn't easy by any means.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: This was not, I think that shows how difficult the past has been that we're sitting here going a man is like, we're back.
• 41:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're back.
• 41:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have some real concerns about how this offensive line with this limited cap money with questions about the fifth year.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got this fifth year option in a corner.
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's no trading him.
• 41:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's no getting rid of it like that.
• 41:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's no is you got to suck up this money for a quater.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: You got to find an answer at left tackle.
• 41:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: We need to try to find cave maze into this.
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: this equation.
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what all of this money is like is that all of a sudden injury is complicating so much of our investment on that offensive line.
• 42:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you want to talk about having an offense that you're wanting to improve that you've added weapons and that you're trying to get
• 42:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: We need him to progress and progressing is going to require a strong offensive line.
• 42:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, I do think that the Panthers have been on a good trajectory, Anthony, is that, and like he said, I agree, Tony, I'm just saying, I don't think any of us had us to win the division this year.
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, because we didn't have the guts to, right?
• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And not the guts, like we shouldn't have, I mean, there's no real reason for you to pick that, but you need to be at what point does the rebuild in?
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you start building something that has structure, longevity, and things like this.
• 42:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that goes to the third potential option, CK for how you can manage this, or how other teams have managed this.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know what the Panther's answer is.
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, are we just a forever going to be a 9 and 7, 7 and 9 team or 7 and 8?
• 43:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever it is to get the 17, 9 and 8 or 8 and 9 team.
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Huh, right?
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Browns have frequently used restructures though in the past to create the most cap space in the NFL for a single window, even when they started in the red.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... they had out they did things like automatic conversion clauses they don't just really structure one or two players they restructure every high earner simultaneously from what's in ward Garrett to create a massive war chest in the offseason so if you're a lot of was going to do this he gave they could do something like this is if Dan Morgan wants to go out and be a big
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: game hunter and free agency.
• 43:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It could trigger restructures like you go.
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to restructure horn, hunt, dirt, brown, and tailor-mote and all at once, and you flip that 13 million into like 60 million overnight.
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know that's not your style, CK.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: But out of these three options,
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like the New Orleans one.
• 44:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't necessarily like the reset one.
• 44:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't love just sitting and doing nothing.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if this would be the worst option.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not gonna, listen, I'm not opposed to any of them, right.
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's, I'm willing to be able to say that there's a chance that any of them were.
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't know that I don't know what's going to be the best moving forward for the Panthers.
• 44:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: And you might be right, that may be the best bet.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just, I'm not sure if it's, if it's just reluctance, because of the way the past few years have gone or what, but I'm just, I'm hesitant to say we go about it that way.
• 45:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I also think there's a lot riding on the season C. K. I don't think it's I don't think it's everything right.
• 45:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think if the Panthers don't win the Super Bowl.
• 45:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like we're not one player away, but I feel like this if the Panthers sit where they're at.
• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: or even worse, regress, then you're starting to talk about resets for a quarterback and coach potentially.
• 45:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if 20 is 20 27 any more are year than 20 26 is.
• 45:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: But the, I don't know, I mean, I, I really don't know.
• 45:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm, I'm sincerely, I'm a Panthers fan.
• 45:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I want to make that abundantly clear.
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: But they're towards the end of last year.
• 45:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was, we said it, and I said it on the show.
• 45:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was pretty clear that the two best teams in the NFC South weren't even in playoff contention anymore.
• 46:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that worries me because I don't know that I don't,
• 46:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: to put it into perspective, shug almost what he was second in the running for offensive player of the year for rookie, I mean rookie offensive offensive, offensive rookie of the year.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Why that's important for us to a shug?
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I know, and he only started like eight games.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so it's when we saw him play now, some people are the arguments going to inevitably be and I don't think it's an invalid argument, but the argument is going to be that he didn't really play anybody of value, which by the way, he'd be the Panthers twice, so if you're a Panthers fan, that doesn't make you feel great.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: When you hear people say that he didn't play anybody of value.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so there's the argument that he didn't play.
• 46:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right.
• 46:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: And, and I mean, I don't know that he performed very well.
• 47:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, or like, they're towards the end as an example.
• 47:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: He, he, I think if I'm not mistaken, like that last was the last game that he
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: It didn't look very good.
• 47:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I guess, did against the Falcons.
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's Falcons wanted.
• 47:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were kind of trending in the right direction.
• 47:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's right.
• 47:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you're a Saints fan, you're not upset about the, the how he played in the circumstances and how the offense was irrelevant.
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, who was their quarterback before it's a, my bastard sons, the former South Carolina was a statler, uh, Spencer Strattler.
• 47:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Rattler Spencer Rattler.
• 47:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's not a Strattler.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's, uh, Rattler.
• 47:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 47:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he ain't Rattler in the right way.
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't know.
• 47:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I almost feel like the Panthers almost could.
• 48:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: do the Ram's approach in a sense.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And not must win now, but like take over now and hope.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, then you're going to guess you're running into the problem of Bryce young.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Of what do you do afterwards?
• 48:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: But right now, I'm not worried about the Bryce young problem, see.
• 48:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, because
• 48:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I need Bryce young to be a good problem and us figured out later and I don't think that if you have a year next year that is mediocre at best that you have solved what you're doing at quarterback.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think we should do behind Bryce young at quarterback with the Andy
• 49:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: If Bryce Young gets hurt or if things go sideways or do they rock with who they got and say it's going to work or it doesn't
• 49:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if it's a difference of $2 million, I think it's still worth, I mean, people are going to crucify me here, because I am such a, I thought, believe Andy Dalton has regrets in such a substantial way from what he used to be in Cincinnati, just in the few starts he's had for the Panthers, but I think $200 or $2 million.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, isn't the isn't the end of the world.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: I will say, I don't disagree if we were to move the route of moving in a backup quarterback.
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: They are drafting a backup quarterback or something.
• 49:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because we've seen the best that we've ever seen from Andy Dalton.
• 49:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not going to get any better and quite honestly, we've seen the floor and right now it feels like he's at his floor as far as performing.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, if we were to go in on a on a rookie QB as a backup and God forbid something happens to brace and he comes in and he plays lights out all of a sudden.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now we have a better shot.
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's not going to be only an Andy Dalton, you know what I mean.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't see any scenario where you're going to get a rookie QB in the mid rounds or late rounds that's going to all of a sudden be equivalents, do you go out and get somebody who is just more serviceable as a backup in case something happened as a question?
• 50:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Big shout out to VR the hope dealer with a C3 super chat, he said, we must go hard
• 50:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the Carolina Panthers did make the playoffs.
• 50:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Their schedule is going to be far more difficult than it was the year before.
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the Panthers need to create momentum rather than questions going forward.
• 50:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some other things in the chat that are white checklist processes draft a QB late or get love this.
• 50:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... nanook of the north says don't need to retire and panther gal says don't better be gone or i have a mini a meltdown and whoever anonymous twenty nine thirty is Russell wilson let's ride yuck to that i'd rather not let's go get james winston
• 51:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: just to make excitement and like I think he there used to be a morale coach for the Carolina Torra Torra Hills.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right like they had a coach and he was called the morale coach.
• 51:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that should be James or Winston's assigned title for the world.
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I saw something like this secret.
• 51:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: This was a fun tweet.
• 51:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know I love James and how fun he is and who does it?
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right
• 51:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just think of him saying the snow football man.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's just so great.
• 51:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: As they said, if you had, it was just a random post, my ex, tweet, calm tweets still, and said, if you had one person to represent humanity, if aliens came to the planet and it was like, I think sleeper, the fantasy football site put up.
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, that's who we said is our representative.
• 52:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm all for it.
• 52:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: His arc, his storyline, his arc is just hysterical.
• 52:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's tearing up views and everything, like it's the dude is unapologetically himself.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Wild.
• 52:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go ahead and get to some cat calls right now.
• 52:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Guys, we're going, we've still got a lot of show to go.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're about to get into, we figured out what the pathers are facing or at least have tried to address with the Carolina Panthers are facing in free agency.
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we've tried to outline some potential pathways.
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if there's a single one of just looking at what the Saints, the Rams and the Browns have done if there's a one
• 53:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: size that fits us directly for this season, I do tend to think that I like out of these the browns option the most and to say, look, it's price youngs fifth year, we got them in the option, let's see with all the pieces if it's worth continuing this rather than creating questions, let's create some solutions.
• 53:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: But guys, you can get in and let us know what you think about.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: what we're going to next.
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be talking about free agent options because my amics have in a fire sale and there are some big names out there that are always look when it gets free agency times UK any time a name any guys get to get cut in the league you're going to see a bazillion post.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: of where people are like, this is the guy.
• 54:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go get them.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: We want everything.
• 54:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: When we go into the toy store, we want everything.
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to get into the three tiers of options for the Carolina Panthers that they could target or we actually probably would love for them to target.
• 54:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not realistic.
• 54:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: But before we do that, let's get into some cat calls.
• 54:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: The number is two, five, two, two, eight, 50, 98.
• 54:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's two, five, two, two, eight, 50, 98.
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Geek, Vassie, it gonna be up for me.
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: So what do you thought it's on cat call?
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's pretty sh**t. It shouldn't do that to somebody.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: And how did that make you feel?
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: Very uncomfortable.
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, how do you think cat calling makes the person feel?
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: It feels good like three and a four and a three.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: all past brothers.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_08]: I always wanted to be the boss.
• 54:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: He's been a while.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, I'm keep this short and simple.
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_08]: Y'all have a look at that the internet.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: You seem to dolphins release Bradley Chow.
• 55:04
  [SPEAKER_08]: The time we kill.
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I would love for the Panthers going to Bradley Chow.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_08]: I swear, because he can put us some sex.
• 55:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: The time we kill.
• 55:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: He's coming off the injury.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_08]: Sort of like a trouble maker.
• 55:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: We really don't need that.
• 55:21
  [SPEAKER_08]: You care a lot of he could he can't stretch the field.
• 55:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh It just we have we haven't had a wide receiver that's stretched the hill like that since we had Teddy again Don't think he has he got better hands and Teddy again You know, but uh They have free agency is coming up and I would love them boys to get a good old Bradley choke to come to cover Lana Man, and I know some people are gonna leave
• 55:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: And to me, I don't know what the front office is doing, but hopefully they may write decisions.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: I truly do, because it would shove on that edge.
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: Ooh, man.
• 56:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: Along with the two rookies from last year, that will be something.
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: In the back field, we're fine.
• 56:22
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're gonna get that dude from Oakland.
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, my bad from the rate is back there.
• 56:25
  [SPEAKER_08]: Put the lace in back there with him.
• 56:27
  [SPEAKER_08]: And my Jackson and J.C. Horn, but that would be something, that would be something.
• 56:35
  [SPEAKER_08]: And where our linebackers, I don't know what we're gonna do.
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: Because me, as I told you before, I don't like that three, four defense, because it's always like two linebackers on the field at all times, right at three.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_08]: Number four, three type of dude, but, you know,
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: which I'll take Bradley Chop, give me a honest opinion because I would keep out of this.
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: great segue into the free agent discussion.
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: You had to talk about a history of, you know, there's that, uh, almost a nepotism, but you want to look at the connections between players and coaches.
• 57:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if you look at Jiro Everrow, as he was that defensive coordinator for the Broncos when they drafted Bradley Chub.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he's familiar with the player and he's recently become available because Miami is like clear in house right now.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: He does he turns 30 this season.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's kind of at a it's like this is kind of apex mountain for him in a sense is like you don't see his career just as getting tremendously better right as like is this is peak time where he's still good as a vet.
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: but not too old, not too young, but you don't see him in five years necessarily being the player that comes with the name.
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's still productive, but he's faced when he's healthy, but he's had some problems with injuries over in his time in Miami.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And a good, one good thing about acquiring Bradley Chub is that he would not count towards the compensatory pick formula because he's considered a street free agent.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And to give you a little insight, CK about what he's done, he's had multiple double-digit sack seasons in his career.
• 58:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's time, he still shows flashes of elite burst in power.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a strong, run defender.
• 58:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: in comparison to other past wrestlers who are considered specialist at that, and he is considered to be a scheme versatile player that can be a 4 3 end or stand up 3 4 outside linebacker, which would be important for the Carolina Panthers.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Final points on this is though he is not going to necessarily come cheap at the age and time in his career, he is going to want likely a multi year, you know, he's not going to come as a one year mercenary, it doesn't feel like.
• 59:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: might not be looking at a five year deal or four year deal, but maybe a three year deal estimated somewhere between right now estimates are between 15 and 20 million.
• 59:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think he would be a good fit for the Carolina Panthers CK.
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think about?
• 59:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bradley Chubb, do you put more on him as a player?
• 59:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: His connections to Everrow, or I mean, is this a guy that's worth the money in your mind?
• 59:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: The answer is, I don't know how I feel.
• 59:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like he's probably not performed to the level that he was traded to perform to.
• 1:00:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to the dolphins from who is it with the Broncos.
• 1:00:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so I don't know.
• 1:00:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think he has the he still has the the fuel in the tank.
• 1:00:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm certainly willing to roll a dice on it.
• 1:00:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't know 15 to 20 million bills a bit high for for you know, I'm with the territory that doesn't have to assert it does.
• 1:00:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: It does.
• 1:00:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: But if I'm going to spend.
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I don't know.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's that might be I mean, I'm certainly feeling better about that than the trade hindricks on the hindricks and one Say that again go ahead.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
• 1:00:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to put up a poll and I heard it add.
• 1:00:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're fine I'm saying I'm I would feel better about Bradley Chub at the 15 to 20 than I would or what you have there showing up for Or trade hindricks and why do you say that?
• 1:01:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Trey Hendrickson is also getting to that, you know, he's a bit older.
• 1:01:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying he's not bad, but I just, I don't know, I don't, I feel like his seasons have been, I, he, he got paid off of the just an incredible season, or, you know, or would he, was it,
• 1:01:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hold on, I got that, and here, let me put this pull up real quick.
• 1:01:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I asked this is quick in the chat, oh, or I'm up this is because I'm trying to navigate these polls without the question more, let's see, this makes sense is Bradley Chub, a safe upgrade, or a different maker is what we're going to put in the chat right now,
• 1:01:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, let me give you some deats on tray hindricks and let's see what we got about his contract.
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see.
• 1:02:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is my notes on tray hindricks and right now, consistent top tier sack producer in Cincinnati, still in his prime years.
• 1:02:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see how old he is.
• 1:02:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: How old is,
• 1:02:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's older.
• 1:02:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know.
• 1:02:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's, it's 30 one.
• 1:02:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:02:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you can.
• 1:02:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess he is in the pro, like I mean, this is his twilight prime, right?
• 1:02:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of like what we were talking about with Chub, but even less, so maybe I'm not dealing with the injury point, but it's not a long term solution.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we don't need a guy that's going to be great five years.
• 1:02:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: We need a guy that's going to make a difference on this defense of front.
• 1:03:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right now he could hit the market if the Ben Bengals don't extend him or tag him.
• 1:03:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think the Bengals are interested in doing either.
• 1:03:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think he's happy there.
• 1:03:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is going to be a part ways.
• 1:03:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's been one of the most reliable sack artists since 2020.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: He wins with motor hand technique and closing speed.
• 1:03:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: He generates pressure even when he's not finishing play.
• 1:03:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he's disruptive.
• 1:03:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: He rarely disappears.
• 1:03:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, he again would be looking for, he probably, I think, look, as look at this is he's going to be a more expensive option.
• 1:03:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: because of Bradley Chubb with the injury and Tray Hendrickson is trying to get every dollar.
• 1:03:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is his last deal, unless somehow he hits like one of those fountains of youth moments late in his career and can negotiate an extension.
• 1:04:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's expected somewhere above 20 million.
• 1:04:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm with you right away is that I don't know if I look at trade hindricks and go most dominant past Russia, I'd be more interested in how we get Max Crosby.
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's the problem with the Max Krauseby thing is that the amount of money that he is going to be demanding, I mean, with the trade, like if he gets traded, most of the time these guys come with like a caveat that there's an extension along with it, if he's going to be, you know, going to live somewhere else and what have you so you're not only having to give.
• 1:04:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're talking about going backwards with regard to giving up picks and I just don't know with as well as this front office is done with making these picks at least the past couple years.
• 1:05:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: don't know if I'm willing to forgo that one more year or two years potentially in the first round for Max Crosby.
• 1:05:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: If he if he demands the trade or if we can get him for a reasonable asking price and draft capital then I'm all for it but two firsts it's just I'm not I'm not interested in that.
• 1:05:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right let me see his Anthony.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see what he did.
• 1:05:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know how to read this.
• 1:05:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking at over the cat.
• 1:05:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, not pro football reference game logs.
• 1:05:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: We want to look at his career stats career regular season.
• 1:05:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Gosh, let's see.
• 1:05:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said Anthony said he had 17.
• 1:05:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: sacks.
• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who's that?
• 1:06:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tray Hendrix and last year that you're poor one in his career though.
• 1:06:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy.
• 1:06:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Friends since 2017, um, verse 17, what year is this?
• 1:06:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why is this website?
• 1:06:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anthony, that's crazy.
• 1:06:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is he had that many sacks?
• 1:06:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I still continue to think though, is that wow, he may be doing that,
• 1:06:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: that there are defense is stunk.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like Kaleel Max, two olds.
• 1:06:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's a name.
• 1:06:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if we go through some of this some more, but if we were gonna stick, let's just stick with Ray Hendrickson.
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: He becomes a true number one right away.
• 1:06:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's okay, like I mean, he's, he better.
• 1:06:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:06:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: You've got, you, but that motherfucker, if you don't put up over 10 sacks and you pay him over $20 million, I would be fucking live it, live it.
• 1:06:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: That would be the concern from my perspective at least as I just don't want, you know, we have been in the business for the past few years, I've said it multiple times.
• 1:07:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: We have been buying high and then selling low and I just don't want to be in the business of having something like that happen again.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't know if my psyche can handle it.
• 1:07:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, um, right now the poll is 80% believe Trump is a safe upgrade.
• 1:07:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead, last couple of moments there to view this.
• 1:07:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some people are suggesting Khalil Mack, uh, aging vet, um, as Mack had two and a half sacks last year.
• 1:07:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's done,
• 1:07:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cloney does have a decent print.
• 1:07:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm, I'm, I'd rather have Cloney on my team than not.
• 1:07:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:07:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I don't hear.
• 1:07:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm telling you the smart move is clowning cheap.
• 1:08:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: These guys are very risky.
• 1:08:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, Hassan Reddick.
• 1:08:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not interesting.
• 1:08:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why, like why can't the Panthers have nice things.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 1:08:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's on Reddit.
• 1:08:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you feel like he is?
• 1:08:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just look what we're a son, Reddit stats last year.
• 1:08:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's on.
• 1:08:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: So he didn't, he was, he went to the box, right?
• 1:08:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm pretty sure he was.
• 1:08:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he was on the box.
• 1:08:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: he had two and a half sacks.
• 1:08:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he had a largely.
• 1:08:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was in consequential year.
• 1:08:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I still think he suffered from just not having anybody know how to play him.
• 1:08:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, he's always rival probably.
• 1:08:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, later rival.
• 1:08:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, um, you know what is now that we're looking at this list right here.
• 1:09:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And these are our tier one.
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: not all four of these guys, but like you're sitting here talking about we need past rush.
• 1:09:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, right?
• 1:09:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like if you could go in Spend your money in free agency and you could only spin it on one position, you're talking about everybody.
• 1:09:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it would be hard to say, oh, we want to get any other position than something
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right now, I feel like I'm on the Bradley Trub, or the Max Crosby train.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think Bradley Trub is the one that makes the most sense to me, just from the ability to actually build it.
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because again, the Max Crosby is you're making a splash, like basically believing that your team is that one player away.
• 1:09:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: When we've just established already that we have quite a few concerns from left tackle to linebacker to, you know, what we're going to do with the tight end role, all of this stuff.
• 1:10:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: We don't really know what we're trying to be and giving up the first round draft pick that would be required to get, you know, a max cross be if not two years of a first round draft pick.
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think you're setting yourself up for a situation where we're just getting star players that come here to really not perform well.
• 1:10:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, um, yeah, I mean, I understand how about this is that, oh, let me ask you this CK is trading for, I guess you would have to trade for Max Crosby, right.
• 1:10:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you have to listen that is would, um,
• 1:11:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: or trading from Max Crosby force you into that what your what your fear is that wouldn't act like this is the only thing which one would be more detrimental and for me
• 1:11:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I believe it's tray Hendrickson.
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that you would be more debtor from detrimental with tray Hendrickson.
• 1:11:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do.
• 1:11:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that just the money alone, I'm sure Max Crossbees, where we have to look at his contract, I think he is the one of the most elite players I've seen in the NFL every month.
• 1:11:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, how about this?
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is who would you?
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you had your choice, we're picking teams in the backyard.
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Would you pick tray Hendrickson or would you pick Max Crossbee?
• 1:11:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Max Crossbee.
• 1:11:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: me, but I'm not, but you're you're talking about detrimental.
• 1:11:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah, trade drugs and it's going to cost 21 to 30 mil, but look at what Crossby's going to cost on top of the, the, the, the, it's not cheap.
• 1:12:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see, hold on, um, type
• 1:12:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Over the cap real quick as we're going to keep moving we're making such good progress tonight and Max Crosby.
• 1:12:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Over the cap.
• 1:12:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: How do you spell his name is it two X and I think it to X is yeah, of course.
• 1:12:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, his current contract is this.
• 1:12:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, Max Cosby signed a four year 94 million contract with the Raiders in 2022, he receives 53 million and guarantees in 20 in which 26.5 is fully guaranteed.
• 1:12:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cosby receives 13 million and signing bonus is 20 here.
• 1:13:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me just put it up.
• 1:13:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you guys can read along with me.
• 1:13:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: see if we can figure this out real quick.
• 1:13:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I think the good thing about this is CK is that they have to eat that guaranteed money so much right now.
• 1:13:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they might.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Raiders and Crosby agreed to a three year hundred and six million dollar expansion.
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this happened in 2025, yes, salaries were increased 32 million and 30.
• 1:13:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're made fully guaranteed salary.
• 1:13:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: So let's see what it looks like.
• 1:13:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bass salary.
• 1:13:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he would be in that 20 to 30 range plus giving up two for down there.
• 1:14:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Fix.
• 1:14:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just feel like he's a better player.
• 1:14:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll give you a damn a third and a whatever.
• 1:14:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's see, you're talking about two firsts in that is like he might be a better player, but he's not going to be enough.
• 1:14:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like he's not going to be able to.
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I won't give it now.
• 1:14:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I got to cut that cash.
• 1:14:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's there.
• 1:14:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's there's no shot that you're getting crowds.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, okay.
• 1:14:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, then now I think that I felt like there would just be sellers on that.
• 1:14:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: How about this.
• 1:14:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: C. K. Let's go to Another call real quick and then we'll continue to dive into these free agent options.
• 1:14:42
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• 1:14:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: C.K.
• 1:14:58
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• 1:15:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: What's up, y'all?
• 1:15:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's the Hopeville, the chicken and real quick.
• 1:15:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: Happy Tuesday to everybody out there.
• 1:15:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, it is officially the off season.
• 1:15:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm excited to see what moves are going to be made upcoming in free agency and then the draft.
• 1:15:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: I saw that Carolina
• 1:15:22
  [SPEAKER_07]: picked up a new officer of mine of mine man in a in girl bevel or their but they'll have you say it's name uh... i know he's been in the lead for a while he's i think he's been in the league like it's been years and supposedly he's an offensive guru so i'm all for it man i i like the fact that they can now this is willing to evolve all principally uh... i still have my reservations about uh... is your own ever a but i guess i just got a deal with it
• 1:15:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, but you know, I'm hoping that from an office or standpoint, um, that this move will help Bryson.
• 1:16:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, you know, Darrell, he has experience and, um, and working with quarterbacks like suicidal of Boga and Russell Wilson, I believe, and so I know him and can now let's have a good relationship.
• 1:16:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, so I'm excited to see what moves we could potentially make.
• 1:16:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um,
• 1:16:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I want to see if if you guys have any early names as far as free agents on the office of Saturday, the ball that you guys would like to see here in Carolina, but you know, let's let's stay tuned.
• 1:16:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: Let's stay posted up, man.
• 1:16:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: Let's let's keep pounding.
• 1:16:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: Once again, this is the Hope Villa.
• 1:16:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: Checking in.
• 1:16:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: Go fish.
• 1:16:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: Love you all.
• 1:16:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: Take care.
• 1:16:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anthony, I will get to your call.
• 1:16:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have just two in the hole ahead of you.
• 1:16:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, we're certainly going to get to your call, but you can also hang around with us for the longest run in Panthers podcast.
• 1:16:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you guys, all you got to do is this is we're ready for some guests to come on the show.
• 1:17:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: You just got to get a mic.
• 1:17:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: We just can't do it on the phone.
• 1:17:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got to keep
• 1:17:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: somehow a semblance of a podcast going forward.
• 1:17:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you guys get their mics out and I will get you on the show as guest hosts in the future potentially.
• 1:17:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go to this is I was going to skip it and this was not next up necessarily because actually we'll just rock real quick through
• 1:17:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: the offensive line.
• 1:17:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: How are you going to deal with this?
• 1:17:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: And are you going to go with CadeMaze?
• 1:17:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: or you're going to go somewhere else.
• 1:17:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is, I know that Cade Maze is the guy.
• 1:17:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: This probably going to be the answer for the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:17:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right now is that we're looking at a dream scenario for the Carolina Panthers at Center would be Tyler Lindervom, who is a three-time pro-bola
• 1:18:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's known for his elite movement and zone blocking, right?
• 1:18:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm making sure getting all these details right right here.
• 1:18:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Baltimore ratings.
• 1:18:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just want to make sure I did not miss speak.
• 1:18:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: and he could be a very important fit.
• 1:18:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: The argument for a blue chip center, right?
• 1:18:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: CK is that he's a blue chip talent who perfectly fits this movement heavy protection scheme that may be Darrell Breville could bring into the scenario.
• 1:18:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: signing him would be an aggressive move to help Bryce Young.
• 1:18:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how the Carolina Panthers the could sink so much money into an offensive line with so many questions, so if you are looking at in comparison to Cade Maze, you're looking at one player.
• 1:19:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: who is a three-time pro-baller.
• 1:19:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: What cave mazes a solid starter, you're talking about a difference though, and maybe a, let's see what the projections are.
• 1:19:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: 18 million for Linda Buffer, a center.
• 1:19:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: 10 million for cave mazes, can you work through it?
• 1:19:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting question.
• 1:19:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: there.
• 1:19:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's called as kind of we think defensive front.
• 1:19:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk a linebacker, which is going to be very important.
• 1:19:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: But other news that's in the how much do we give price young and offensive weapons, okay, is we've invested in offensive line.
• 1:19:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: we've gone out and invested in the draft.
• 1:19:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can Carolina go out into free agency and spend money?
• 1:20:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's a name that's not going to happen.
• 1:20:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mike Evans.
• 1:20:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not going to happen.
• 1:20:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: He'll stay in Tampa Bay or retire.
• 1:20:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll retire.
• 1:20:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:20:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:20:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: But back to the fire sale.
• 1:20:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Any interest in Tyre Kiel, what do you thought's on that?
• 1:20:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, the number one the Tyre kill issue is going to be its own problem.
• 1:20:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: He might not even play this year.
• 1:20:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like his injury was at significant.
• 1:20:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: They can nif again.
• 1:20:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and so there's a, yeah, that that could be a situation where he doesn't even show up this year.
• 1:20:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I also will say, and he's on the back end of his career.
• 1:20:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm not sure.
• 1:20:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I would want to build fucking, you're right, but like it's without that injury, him on his backside of his career is fucking awesome, but that injury you have no idea to get really don't and I mean, it just, you know, the dude brings a certain level of, I don't know that he fits in our wide receiver room is all I'm saying.
• 1:21:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think here's the problem, I think Cav said it in the chat is like, um, he's just trying to get on it.
• 1:21:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's going to be trying to get on a team.
• 1:21:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think that that over the top that player, like even him at 80% is better than the Carolina Panthers have had in a long freaking time, like Steve Smith.
• 1:21:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, right.
• 1:21:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, my problem with this is I don't believe
• 1:21:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: that tiring kill will come cheap at any time, right?
• 1:21:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I think he's done his name, his his history is a football player and I also don't think he's like, I need to sign a one year prove it deal.
• 1:21:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, I got to pay for my kids deal.
• 1:21:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's absolutely not going to be accepting a friendly deal that is going to, you know, leave the team filling better off, or anything along those lines, wherever he goes, he's, I mean, the problem with him being later in his career is the money matters more now than it ever has.
• 1:22:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's gotten big money.
• 1:22:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: and the belief, I think that he's not a discount player either, right, you know, his discount year is more expensive than other people's discount years.
• 1:22:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
• 1:22:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: One name to look out for would not be cheap though, but really could be a great addition to the Carolina Panthers as former New Orleans Saint traded to the Seattle Seahawks and Rashid Shahid.
• 1:22:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: over the top guy deep threat.
• 1:22:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: You want to open it up.
• 1:22:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: He can bring that to you, but he can do kick off and punt returns as well.
• 1:23:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think he's coming into a moment to where he needs to make and capitalize the most off his deal.
• 1:23:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not eyes on him for sure.
• 1:23:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:23:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, as a wide receiver, he's also not, you know, he's he's going to be paid more because of his special team ability than as a wide receiver ability.
• 1:23:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
• 1:23:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take another call.
• 1:23:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll figure out these final free agents.
• 1:23:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're getting to the show.
• 1:23:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Great.
• 1:23:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Guys, two call.
• 1:23:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got three calls left in the hole.
• 1:23:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right now.
• 1:23:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's your time to get in at two five
• 1:23:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: Hey guys, John B. Jenkins here calling in with your weekly alternative football league update.
• 1:23:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: We've got new uniforms in the UFL.
• 1:23:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: We've got three new teams in the TAL and we've got the COFL.
• 1:24:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: So there you have done a drop all eight uniforms, all new redesigned uniforms.
• 1:24:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: If you're a fan of the Birmingham hand stallions, they have completely switched the color palette, helmets are now marooned, the jerseys are gold, I don't know, go check them out, let me know what you think.
• 1:24:25
  [SPEAKER_09]: I like some of them, some of them, I don't know, maybe a little plain, but that is for you to decide.
• 1:24:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: which is the arena league where the commissioner is none other than 10 brown of Oakland Raiders famed.
• 1:24:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: There are three new teams you can root for in this league and this is the league where our O's dark lungers go fish.
• 1:24:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: There we go.
• 1:24:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Go fish.
• 1:24:50
  [SPEAKER_09]: Where they will be winning the championship this year.
• 1:24:53
  [SPEAKER_09]: That is our O's our clunkers.
• 1:24:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: Go fish.
• 1:24:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: Check that song out.
• 1:24:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: You've never seen it.
• 1:24:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: But those three new teams in the league are the men's sound dogs.
• 1:25:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: The Nebraska siege.
• 1:25:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: and the Monroe Greenhead owned by none other than the Robertson family of Duck Dynasty fame.
• 1:25:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
• 1:25:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: And the marketing company that they use for this league, they're, uh, the marketing company is all the loggas for, for the teams and I don't know, just nails it in every single one of them.
• 1:25:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: And this Monroe Greenhead's team and the Memphis Town Dog just check those out.
• 1:25:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's pretty cool.
• 1:25:28
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, moving on to the COFL or the Continental Football League, this is an old league that is being resurrected from the early 60s.
• 1:25:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: And what they are going to do to make this unique is they are going to play three quarters in a cell style.
• 1:25:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: And the fourth quarter will be, they will use what is called the Continental Divide Rule.
• 1:25:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: They will switch from NFL rules to CFL rules, meaning you add an extra player on each
• 1:25:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: There are three downs in the game, and you can have wide receivers in motion pre-step.
• 1:26:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: So that is about all of the, oh, and as sorry, the CLSL is rumored to be kicking off according to their website in 99 days, so we will, we will see if they actually do pull that off.
• 1:26:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: There are five teams right now to root for.
• 1:26:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, that's all I've got from my alternative football league update for you this week, as always, keep counting Carolina Panthers.
• 1:26:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: Keep pounding Panthers rush a lot more if they send them later and go fish and keep pounding C3 Panthers podcast.
• 1:26:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: Don't be using that.
• 1:26:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: CK, talk about coaching value when you had to play two different games.
• 1:26:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: You play three quarters on your one set of rules ending game plan for wild car rules at the end.
• 1:26:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: can any of these leagues ever become anything.
• 1:26:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea.
• 1:26:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think it would require NFL and like NFL partnership of some sort, like it would have to be, and I still think it would struggle because I mean, if we think about minor league stuff in baseball, it's not like
• 1:27:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:27:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a different fucking, not only is this, this is Wild ZK is that we look at these alternative football leagues and they have different rules.
• 1:27:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But now you're talking about alternative football leagues that have two different rules in the same fucking game.
• 1:27:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: As Nanooka the North says, that's nuts dude.
• 1:27:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's nuts.
• 1:27:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like what?
• 1:27:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 1:27:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: At some point, I think your right is that like minor league baseball is there's got to be investment from the NFL for this to ever matter because financially I don't think they can hold on their own and I think the NFL just has to say we suck up a loss in a development league.
• 1:28:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: kind of like baseball does is we pay for this development league for the opportunity to make our league better.
• 1:28:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Got a, uh, there might be more nuts crap about this league.
• 1:28:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: John B. Jenkins got a short call to follow up.
• 1:28:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: Hey, guys.
• 1:28:25
  [SPEAKER_09]: John B. Jenkins, come back.
• 1:28:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not sure if you heard the COFL update real quick, but this is the one that's the most intriguing.
• 1:28:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: uh... just to recap in case in case you didn't hear me we got to be a lfl or the continental football league is a league that will be resurrecting from the early sixties and what they're going to be doing that is different from any other league is they're going to run both NFL and cfl rules and they're going to implement what's called the continental divide act this at the in the third quarter beginning of the fourth quarter they will switch from NFL rules to cfl rules supposedly
• 1:29:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: where they will have 12 men on each side of the field, three down of football, and wide receivers can go in motion.
• 1:29:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: They will not be extending the field.
• 1:29:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: In fact, the CFL is shortening their field to the NFL links this year.
• 1:29:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: That's a whole topic for another story.
• 1:29:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, that's the COFL.
• 1:29:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: We'll see if they do actually kick off in 99 days for now.
• 1:29:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, thanks John B with that with the wildest alternative football history I've ever heard two different rules sets like we're going to play monopoly by the rule book and then switch to house rules and the last phase of the game to speed things up and make it a sign.
• 1:29:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go to Anthony from Charlotte.
• 1:29:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's got some thoughts on free agency.
• 1:29:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I believe.
• 1:29:50
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• 1:30:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: Remember, but I was a huge Milton Williams guy.
• 1:30:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, just pay this guy a blank track.
• 1:30:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like he's going to make a difference, especially with Derek Brown, like you saw what he did with the other detail on the path I should have who's great, right?
• 1:30:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, we didn't get him.
• 1:30:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: They had a price point, that's fine.
• 1:30:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like, but the backup options, right?
• 1:30:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: Because you had to pivot, you then had to pay overpay, a guy like Tursham Warden, who's making $15 million,
• 1:30:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: effectively did nothing for us now I know he was injured when he was on the field he wasn't effective so my whole thing is like I just don't see why his fans like we get so scared away from someone like Betray Hendrickson that when he's on the field he gives you 35 stocks in the last two years and like if his market value is $25 million
• 1:31:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: I would much rather pay him $10 million more a year than be happy that, you know, we got Hirsham Warden for 15th.
• 1:31:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's that makes sense.
• 1:31:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
• 1:31:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: But if you do not want to go that route, right, and paying an edge rusher, I would seriously tell you that based on the comments damaged, they got to land some playmaker on the offense.
• 1:31:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: If you don't want to invest the money in the edge room, you've got to go sign a guy like Devon Boyd or there's tons of good linebackers out there.
• 1:31:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: Sign someone.
• 1:31:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to have to pay someone good here to come here, right?
• 1:31:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: We've seen them do it, and that's why I'm like, I don't know why, and I'm not, I'm not putting blame on anyone, I'm not telling anyone how to think for anything like that.
• 1:31:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: But when we paid the offensive wine, we paid them a lot of money, but they've been awesome.
• 1:31:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like, when we paid Trayvon Mord, $18 million a year, he was awesome last year.
• 1:32:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: paying a lot of money to players isn't necessarily a bad thing.
• 1:32:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: The cross-beating is a great example because it's like, this is an avenue where I can actually see Dan, this is why he is a wrestling for agency in my opinion, because I think he values your optics, and I think he'd much rather just pay the penny, pay the price for something he really needs without having to give up your optics.
• 1:32:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: It crawls me obviously as the best option, right?
• 1:32:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: He's a lead against the pass, he's a lead against the run.
• 1:32:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: He's still in his prime, he's 29.
• 1:32:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: He's probably got four great years left to play, but the problem is we're not that level of contenture yet.
• 1:32:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: I just want to give my thoughts.
• 1:32:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: Peace, see y'all.
• 1:32:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: CK, your thoughts on the Crossbee Hendrix and when now debate.
• 1:32:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I agree, I mean, I think the dude is a baller, but I just, I think the difference between him and Trey Hendrickson and, you know, I just don't know that it's big enough to warrant the cost to go get cross-be.
• 1:33:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, the Panthers are going to have to upgrade and free agency.
• 1:33:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: It will come at a cost, will it come at a cost of hill unlocking the offense and skewing
• 1:33:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: with a cost of the Panthers money now.
• 1:33:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: When you take the risk of Bradley Chub and injury is injury history, much younger player or do you go with guys that are in their elite of the elite?
• 1:33:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: If I just hadn't had did not have to think about any of these players of what they mean for the long term.
• 1:33:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: CK, I would want cross B1.
• 1:33:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 1:33:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm worried about Hendris and he would have to be in a leap past Russia for us for two years at that money and not miss a beat.
• 1:34:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't just agree.
• 1:34:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I still think I still think that the going the route of
• 1:34:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: building this through the draft to make some more sense to me.
• 1:34:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I still think we, I told you, I think we make one splash and I do think it is going to be the ad rushing position.
• 1:34:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I just, I don't know that we're going to be, I don't know we're going to be a destination that the top past pressures are going to want to go to anyway.
• 1:34:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so to be interesting to see how that, you know, works itself out, but, uh, but I do think that, uh, we make a move.
• 1:34:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I think I personally think it's more along the lines of a Bradley Chub type of mood move.
• 1:34:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the others could see that fit more, uh, financially and with the compensation.
• 1:34:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:35:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and how much is that compensate?
• 1:35:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really not usually scared of draft picks.
• 1:35:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm not like, oh, it's like if you're talking a second or third or four, you know, whatever, if you can make things happen that way, when you talk about a one or multiple ones, then that is the giant risk there, we got one more call in the hole right now, and then I've got a fourth option on defense because the Panthers need help at linebacker and
• 1:35:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh, really probably probably going to be the guy that's most, uh, the greatest option for us financially going forward, format, former Georgia defensive camp to have to end national champion.
• 1:35:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take this last call.
• 1:35:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we're going to go with my chocolate espresso.
• 1:35:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to talk about the had situation and for you to see.
• 1:36:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: And yes, I know.
• 1:36:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: I am a
• 1:36:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: all the four guys you play on my screen.
• 1:36:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: He had a better number than all of them.
• 1:36:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: They'll be cheaper.
• 1:36:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is stats.
• 1:36:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, if I don't want to happen, but just saying he had the better numbers, you know, but also think we need to play money ball with the edge for a couple of reasons.
• 1:36:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, the guys you put out there, their bitter risky, and their bit cold.
• 1:36:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Evo's defense scheme is not going to have them at their best, you know, to pay above that.
• 1:36:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: From off injury, old and playing the scheme that's going to have them do, what they do the best.
• 1:36:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: So, I think we need to play money ball with the edge, honestly, you know, in fact, nothing we need, but all our often, all our focus and money is the offense that we're a high score in team.
• 1:37:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I've been saying, I recale, bro, I recale.
• 1:37:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I would be to hold his herd and to look at his numbers before the injury.
• 1:37:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: He averaged like 65 yards per game with a shit quarterback in four games.
• 1:37:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: Year before that, he had like over 970 yards, I think, close to a thousand, you know.
• 1:37:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: And he's come off injury, he's not gonna be ready probably for a week one.
• 1:37:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: I know they said they were hope so, but probably not probably in November,
• 1:37:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: that, you know, to imagine, folk are right, and then slowly bring him in, and he's going to be going to need to bring him in for that playoff of us to give us in the playoffs.
• 1:37:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then when he's in playoffs, you know, imagine, just imagine, Tyre Chill has a third received course even option in November and December, and then probably they go over
• 1:38:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: We, um, Brady, 2020, amp-up, fall-fins.
• 1:38:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: Remember that all fins?
• 1:38:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: My Kevin's Chris Darwin, and Tony Brown, log-in Kowski, make that to a stack that's what we need.
• 1:38:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, non-backers.
• 1:38:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not really, he's definitely like him, but I think we need to draft our non-backers because,
• 1:38:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: and the long back and we're free agency, but I didn't.
• 1:38:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'll have a class.
• 1:38:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'll have a free agency class.
• 1:38:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I think we need to get one of those guys.
• 1:38:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: But that's my thoughts.
• 1:38:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
• 1:38:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you look at C. K. As you want to talk about the Miami.
• 1:38:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Boy, the dolphins have they been I was a last when were they so connected to care a lot of panther since we got Ted Gens Jr. from them.
• 1:39:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think in a trade or Ted Gens Jr. Now we this year will be so we have the Robert Hunt connection
• 1:39:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the potential for some of these other pieces yeah, and we have Darrell Bevel if you want to know look is I mean this is got the guy that is going to be the person that could give you insight for the Carolina Panthers if Tyreek could be something that could.
• 1:39:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: be a factor for this offense, at least you have an insider who would, like so if that tie-reak conversation comes about, you have to believe that they're leaning into bevels knowledge about to what happened to my amma, my amma, my amma.
• 1:39:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of loading up the offense, there has been, look, because everybody's talked about Xavier LaGuit as a munk Panther fans
• 1:40:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: what happened in the second year, how the Panthers have invested higher MPICs in this offense.
• 1:40:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: There have been Bill Barnwell yesterday said that some circles and Panther fans are talking about an Xavier LaGette for Michael Pittman Jr. trade.
• 1:40:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... the proposal to deal that uh... barnwell i guess in the the talk around this is panthers would receive michael pitman junior and a twenty twenty six seven-thrown pick four look at and potentially a twenty twenty six fifth-round pick um...
• 1:40:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: For the cults, they're facing financial pressure and a need for cap relief.
• 1:40:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this could free up some space for them.
• 1:41:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: How would this work for the Carolina Panthers?
• 1:41:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's six foot four, 220 pounds.
• 1:41:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a boundary bully.
• 1:41:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's elite at winning contested catches.
• 1:41:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: In 2025, he had 784 receiving yards and seven touchdowns.
• 1:41:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this was with injuries facing Daniel Jones
• 1:41:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:41:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: The problem would be is this is you want to talk about the financials.
• 1:41:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Pitman is entering his final year of a three year, 70 million dollar deal.
• 1:41:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: It'll be a short term fix.
• 1:41:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he'll be looking for a significant, you know, an extension.
• 1:41:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to get involved in that.
• 1:41:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if this is you're trying to seek a guy.
• 1:41:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: who wants big money, but if you wanted a merchant like a one year warrior, maybe this would work.
• 1:41:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, he would give Tett some freedom to play in the slot.
• 1:42:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and he would help Bryce Young.
• 1:42:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you want to go that route and offense, that's a potential for that, um, but here I think is an an interesting name for a need and something that might actually be financially viable for the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:42:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that is former.
• 1:42:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: linebacker well he's a linebacker now for the Eagles he's drafted by the Eagles in 2022 third round pick former Jeff defensive captain for the Georgia Bulldogs and National Champion that's in the Kobe Dean and he's known for loving film
• 1:42:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: being a fast processing linebacker rather than a guy that only wins with pure size and length.
• 1:42:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's built that reputation as a film junkie and he did suffer a season ending injury in 2024.
• 1:42:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Which is a problem, right, but this gives you the attraction is a guy that is affordable and the Panthers need a linebacker that ups this group quick and fast in a hurry.
• 1:43:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And hopefully he could move from move quickly towards a starting role if he was healthy.
• 1:43:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: He fits this system in so many ways because he could be a kind of field general as in.
• 1:43:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: He could be a guy that you could count on to know that knows football and plays well, preparation obsessed, um, he's not just a linebacker.
• 1:43:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a guy.
• 1:43:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: that is helping put defensive players and good positions, CK, are we going to be ending up where we're talking about guys like Bradley Chub to Tray Henderson to Max Crosby, is the Kobe Dean, the type of player we're probably going to get saddled with.
• 1:44:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but I don't think it's in a bad way.
• 1:44:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think Kev's right.
• 1:44:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think we have to play money ball right now.
• 1:44:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, until we know we have it right, like we, nobody's going to come to the Panthers on a friendly deal right now.
• 1:44:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to have to pay a premium price for a guy to come here.
• 1:44:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, that's one of the top guys.
• 1:44:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think you might end up going for a guy like this and you know, you're still going to probably have to overpay for it.
• 1:44:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't think I do think you have to play with the numbers a little bit and the linebacker is certainly one that.
• 1:44:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: that we need to consider as far as like a full-on re-retracting of the entire, you know, position group.
• 1:44:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, you're listening to the C3 Panthers podcast for finishing up our discussion right here.
• 1:44:58
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• 1:45:40
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• 1:45:44
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• 1:45:50
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• 1:45:53
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• 1:45:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: See, Kate, you had one news note to talk about for the space and not just one.
• 1:46:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: You contribute so much to the show and thank you very much.
• 1:46:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: But this show would be remiss if we
• 1:46:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no another than Cam Newton, but this time mixed in with a bit of Steve Smith, they had a, you know, now with YouTube, they allow you to host videos from both channels at the same time, and both fourth and one, and Steve Smith's channel, I can't remember what it's called.
• 1:46:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: They are, they basically did an ad that was for better help, and it's about, you know, obviously therapy and stuff like that, but it started out with them talking about, you know, they're why they've really never talked since he's left the team, and even when he was here in, you know, meaning submitting how he might have been a bit off put,
• 1:47:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Things like that.
• 1:47:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: So they do a little bit of talking about that.
• 1:47:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll be honest with you.
• 1:47:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was it was interesting to watch, but There was a comment about halfway through that really summed up how I felt about it.
• 1:47:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that was it wasn't add.
• 1:47:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: And you knew it was an add because they were just talking about therapy for a good portion of this.
• 1:47:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: There were no
• 1:47:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: there were no bombshells.
• 1:47:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't like a life like it wasn't this eye opening thing.
• 1:47:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was just a, you know.
• 1:47:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: I could have been a better person.
• 1:47:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I could have been a better person too.
• 1:47:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, cool.
• 1:47:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we now we have the tools to be able to move forward and be better and continue to do the better things as we, you know, build our life from here.
• 1:47:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not to take away from their struggles, you know, especially with Steve Smith, mental health.
• 1:47:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Stuff that he had talked about, but it just halfway through it was just that one comment got me and it was just this dude saying,
• 1:48:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: but it was just like that's what it what it will down to so no bombshells but interesting to see those two guys together.
• 1:48:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:48:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, got canceled on I guess the B.T.
• 1:48:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I saw that after eight episodes.
• 1:48:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know what it was.
• 1:48:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think, I mean, it was a trying to infiltrate the sports or, you know, talk show arena, you know, tough space in cable or whatever you call it now.
• 1:48:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is, is that not a direct competition with ESPN?
• 1:48:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like as any part of the ESPN?
• 1:48:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:48:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like how does that work?
• 1:48:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: So Cam, forever on our hearts and minds, right?
• 1:48:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And
• 1:48:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Talk about the better health if you want to sponsor us again, get in here because we need some better health as we continue to Trudge through this offseason just a couple of dates to look forward to Today is the 17th which was franchise transition player designation window open so look for teams across the league to place the franchise tag
• 1:49:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Next week, CK, when is the 23rd, see, 23rd is Monday?
• 1:49:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll have some player and we'll get this GM interviews.
• 1:49:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, in the coaches who were speaking to the crowd at the combat and starting on the 23rd,
• 1:49:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: March 3rd is deadline to designate franchise or transition like you have to do the franchise tag by then March 9th we got a whole month almost towards free agency and then on the 11th league year begins will be working towards the draft going forward.
• 1:49:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for everybody in the calls.
• 1:50:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: We didn't get any calls for our giveaway of what C3 community means.
• 1:50:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we're postpone that as we get a little bit more traction as this offseason goes or renew those giveaways.
• 1:50:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go and forward and talk and try to invigorate you guys as we try to.
• 1:50:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're not trying to as continue to be the longest running
• 1:50:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's one final component to this show, CK, where we tell some fools to ice up.
• 1:50:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Our homage to Steve Smith, let's ice some fools up.
• 1:50:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's our homage to Steve Smith, better health, give, get out of the way as we ice some fools up, hurt some feeling sometimes, make some fun of some people sometimes.
• 1:50:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And our selves, everybody's fair game is where we tell someone to ice up tough and up.
• 1:51:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: to get it together.
• 1:51:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: CK, please tell me you got something for me this week because I will be grasping at straws.
• 1:51:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have a couple that I've had in the past that I go, it's like, I always get them on Wednesday or Thursday and then I don't write them down and I forget them by Tuesday.
• 1:51:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So CK, I hope you got something for me in the news of the world or your life
• 1:51:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I have a little something, and I don't know if I want to share it here or not, but I'm going to do it.
• 1:51:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to do it.
• 1:51:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Have you heard of the C-Dance thing?
• 1:51:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: No.
• 1:51:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:51:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: So C-Dance 2.0 is a new AI video tool that China has brought to the market now.
• 1:52:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: and when I am telling you, it is unbelievable how well this thing works.
• 1:52:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's unreal.
• 1:52:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:52:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: So let me let me share this with you.
• 1:52:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is one and this isn't requiring a tremendous amount of
• 1:52:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, how do we pull that back up?
• 1:52:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, uh, see.
• 1:52:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: How we add to storage.
• 1:52:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: There it is.
• 1:52:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 1:52:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: So this is not a real video.
• 1:52:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is an AI generated video.
• 1:53:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: So tell people who may be listening on the audio practice, what we're watching.
• 1:53:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: So this is a video of, it's AI video.
• 1:53:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it is of John Wick fighting Tom Cruise in like a warehouse setting with a lot of water in the warehouse.
• 1:53:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: So you're actually seeing like splashes and things like this.
• 1:53:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: in like indistinguishable from actual movies, like it is absolutely un...
• 1:53:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: like it's it's mind blowing so much so that my ice up today is for the people that not only your actors but special effects people to stunt dry stunt people to all of these people.
• 1:54:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I am telling you the the the industries that we thought that would never be able to be replaced by AI are the first ones to have the dominoes fall.
• 1:54:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: It is unbelievable, just seeing stuff like this, and it's, once there's, and this is obviously, I mean, they're using somebody's likeness.
• 1:54:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: They shouldn't be able to do this, but it's coming from China.
• 1:54:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: So there's, you know, not really a restriction set in the place yet, but it's the fact that it's as good as it is, with not so much of a, not needing some crazy, you know, amount of
• 1:54:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It didn't feel, it wasn't just their likeness, it was more than their likeness.
• 1:54:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was them and their, you know, one of the things is you go back to that writer's strike, see gay that kind of, what was it two years ago, year and a half, it wasn't even long ago, and one of,
• 1:55:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: the components was as um and this was really cool of people from Hollywood is high in actors and right like people getting involved in this was for the extras and extras were signing away their likeness.
• 1:55:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what they would do is they fill me for an extra for a moment and then then like we're going to perpetually use you in the background and spider man or whatever.
• 1:55:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And now the technology is so rapidly advancing that, like you see, why that threat was real.
• 1:55:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:55:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And how about this?
• 1:55:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's a little quick.
• 1:55:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I set for you on this.
• 1:55:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I set for you is to think just in 2013 when I was starting this website called CarolinaCatCroncles.com and this podcast I didn't know what to call it.
• 1:55:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know that somebody this dude right here who's begging for people to listen and care and be a part of the community?
• 1:56:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: was so worried about the Panthers and like being sued for copyright.
• 1:56:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was trying to get something that had to do with Carolina.
• 1:56:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: and the Panthers, but I knew I couldn't put them in one phrase.
• 1:56:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I went with Carolina Cat Chronicles, right?
• 1:56:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a long-ass name that then is morphed in the C3, because I was scared that the Panthers were going to sue me for a website that got a thousand views a month.
• 1:56:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:56:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Think about there, it's just that it's like now there are no rules on the internet when it comes to like how this is kind of cool and kind of awful in the same way for the for the little guy is like we're like fuck it now we can just use any name and likeness and put in our thumbnail and what are you all going to do about it a spam or whatever they call it yeah
• 1:57:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Good Lord.
• 1:57:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I tell you, if nobody's putting up with it, as I don't believe Tom Cruise putting up with Tom Cruise going to invade, mission impossible, the next mission impossible is about invading China and overthrowing their AI system because they used his likeness.
• 1:57:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Two quick ice ups for me, the quick one quick of my ice up is I went to
• 1:57:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh my daughter had she plays on the girls basketball team she's in seventh grade week with she goes to her Catholic school our Catholic school happens to be much bigger than other a lot of Catholic schools in the region or in the area.
• 1:57:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and so much so that they have a six grade, six grade, a seventh grade and eighth grade team, right?
• 1:57:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so sometimes they play teams that have everybody playing together.
• 1:57:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes they're playing kids too.
• 1:58:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: That go to a school that has middle school and high school together and they're playing there.
• 1:58:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... j v high school team like you know so there's this but we're just blessed in so many ways for heaven like these these kids not only do we have a big enough school to do this but like these kids have a uh... they lack arms like they got a good bond so we got a full squad like
• 1:58:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel bad sometimes you play another team and they got two subs and we're like, just we're bringing in five new Like fresh up this whole roster.
• 1:58:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, sometimes it's tough.
• 1:58:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we went on the road.
• 1:58:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was fun game tough game for my daughter's team.
• 1:58:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I want to give a lot of credit to their team.
• 1:58:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, uh, what, no, this actually, I'm blending two games together.
• 1:58:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: As the last game I went to, this was two games before the one I'm iceing up.
• 1:58:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: The last game I went to, I was like, time.
• 1:58:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Their team is like, we were short handed, some kids had to miss some stuff.
• 1:59:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: We had some injuries to mid-game and stuff.
• 1:59:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I was like, I, I, I, I, we're like the poor people at our school, see, okay, you know, it's like, you pull up and it's like everybody's got a lot of loot where I'm scholarship and shit like that.
• 1:59:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I was like, this other team, they were ha, this was last week.
• 1:59:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not icing up this team.
• 1:59:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: They played tough.
• 1:59:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'd won.
• 1:59:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was
• 1:59:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a good game.
• 1:59:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then bugs were hungry and your asset, I said, these ain't no rich kids.
• 1:59:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: This team right here, they play this, these kids are grizzled, but two weeks are like, as they played hard, hungry and like they didn't back down, but you won't, they won't soft like no rich kids.
• 1:59:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you that the week before those see guys, this team had these two girls that were just beaches.
• 1:59:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: they were mean they were cat I've never seen a game that was just like everything was a cat fight that they were yelling at one point this girl was arguing with a mom from the other team in the stands so I'm icing up this is these
• 2:00:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I should be celebrating the cat fight.
• 2:00:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what I saw.
• 2:00:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was just Mark.
• 2:00:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, these markers are closed line in this game.
• 2:00:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was people talking junk.
• 2:00:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a tough road game that we pulled out.
• 2:00:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's my first ice up is to, I don't even know.
• 2:00:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I'm celebrating cat fighting.
• 2:00:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like Panthers podcast.
• 2:00:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we should celebrate cat fighting.
• 2:00:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, now the one goes that is just the oversimplication oversimplification of the world.
• 2:00:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so I watched the media try not to.
• 2:00:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I the only time I listened to the news.
• 2:00:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: C. K when I get in the shower, I tell Alexa, play me the news.
• 2:00:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's like, I was like, I'm just like, I want to listen, like, is this is the only time.
• 2:01:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like listen to the news and it's just like the quick hits.
• 2:01:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: But from whatever it is from the.
• 2:01:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Everything is terrible with eyes to everything is okay with like is the truth lies somewhere in the middle middle yeah and I've seen arguments for ice being the demons and this I don't know what they are.
• 2:01:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I will tell you what was screw your narrative up is that.
• 2:01:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Mikey, give me one minute.
• 2:01:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm coming right out.
• 2:01:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're finishing the show up right now.
• 2:01:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: My son just got in from New Orleans talking about that 18th birthday celebration.
• 2:01:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, I don't want to grow up.
• 2:01:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, uh,
• 2:01:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: You get this as you get the worst examples on both sides, and then there's a home invasion in our town where they, somebody, some group of three people have been linked to this.
• 2:01:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the tide, somebody, you know,
• 2:02:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: they have everything from kidnapping to assault with weapon to attempted murder left his person tied up whatever and then you go and then two of them are illegal immigrants I was like oh god this is not gonna play well and pick county.
• 2:02:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I will say this is two size to every story right or the truth lies in the middle.
• 2:02:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you think it's demon
• 2:02:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: The world's complicated.
• 2:02:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's my last day.
• 2:02:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
• 2:02:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Never nuanced.
• 2:02:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's never written on a post-it note.
• 2:02:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: CK, that's the C3Pathers podcast.
• 2:02:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got to get out of here.
• 2:02:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: My son just pulled in.
• 2:02:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got to get him as keys to his car.
• 2:02:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because he left it here.
• 2:02:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's got to rock.
• 2:02:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: CK, thank you so much for hanging out with me.
• 2:02:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
• 2:02:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I look forward to seeing you soon.
• 2:02:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, my dude.
• 2:02:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll see you next week.
• 2:03:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we'll get it all squared away.
• 2:03:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, that's the C3 Panther's podcast.
• 2:03:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be back next Tuesday.
• 2:03:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Check us out.