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OneLegUpAlex Welcomes Back Jay Paterno To Break Down the Penn State Career of Giants Pick , Abdul Carter 4-30-25 · OneLegUpAlex Media

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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Alex Garret.
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Speaker 2: All right, well, once again on my line, and how
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Speaker 2: cool is this? Okay, the Giants draft a Penn State
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Speaker 2: now alum and whatnot Abdul Carter? And who do I
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Speaker 2: have on my line but from Penn State, Jay Paternal.
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Speaker 2: I love how this network works. Jane, thanks for participating
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Speaker 2: once again.
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Speaker 1: Today, No problem, glad to be here.
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Speaker 2: You know, I love to go to the scene of
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Speaker 2: where it all started. So when Abdul really got into
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Speaker 2: the program and whatnot? What did you see from him?
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Speaker 2: And what can Giants fans expect from him?
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Speaker 3: Here's the thing that's scary about Abdul Carter is he
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Speaker 3: spent two years at Penn State as a stand up linebacker.
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Speaker 1: Last year he moved to edge.
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Speaker 3: There is as good as he is, and this is
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Speaker 3: in no way to take anything away from him as
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Speaker 3: a player. There is still tremendous subside for him as
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Speaker 3: an edge rusher, which there would be for anybody who's
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Speaker 3: only done something for one year. So as good as
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Speaker 3: he is and as worthy as he is of being
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Speaker 3: the number three pick, some would say number two, as
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Speaker 3: good as anybody in the draft, there is still a
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Speaker 3: tremendous upside that being said, the fact that he spent
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Speaker 3: two years as a stand up linebacker means he now
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Speaker 3: can do a couple of things for the Giants in
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Speaker 3: their defensive scheme if they want to, which means you
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Speaker 3: can now take him and have him play some linebacker
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Speaker 3: and drop into coverage. Not that that's what you want
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Speaker 3: to do, but certainly it gives you the ability to
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Speaker 3: get him and blitz him from a linebacker spot where
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Speaker 3: now a running back might have to block him rather
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Speaker 3: than your best tackle getting matched up on him.
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Speaker 1: So there's true.
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Speaker 3: I mean this, this this could be really be a
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Speaker 3: great pick for the Giants in terms of the versatility
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Speaker 3: he brings and on.
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Speaker 1: Top of the type of football player.
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Speaker 2: Is now talk about him as a person though, right,
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Speaker 2: because we always like to bring character to these teams.
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Speaker 2: What kind of character can in the locker room expect
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Speaker 2: from Abdua Carter one.
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a guy that comes in
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Speaker 1: and is intense.
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Speaker 3: He's going to be a guy that works his butt off,
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Speaker 3: which is what everybody Penn State says.
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Speaker 1: I didn't spend a lot of time around him.
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Speaker 3: You know there are some, uh, there were some off
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Speaker 3: the field things that he got involved with. But you
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Speaker 3: know the question when when you're the Giants and you
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Speaker 3: evaluate off the field or any team, to say, are
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Speaker 3: we looking at a bad kid or we looking.
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Speaker 1: At a kid who made a good kid who made
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Speaker 1: a mistake.
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Speaker 3: And I know what I was like between the age
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Speaker 3: of eighteen and twenty two, and I was, you know,
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Speaker 3: pretty good kid who did some stupid things. So what
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Speaker 3: what that leaned up? You know, whether they they that
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Speaker 3: manifests itself. I think I think is the does a
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Speaker 3: guy learned from any mistakes he's made, and he'll be
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Speaker 3: a real asset to the Giants.
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Speaker 2: You are on the board of pensative, I'm not mistaken.
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Speaker 2: So whenever these guys get drafted, whether it's a Tyler Warren,
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Speaker 2: I'll do a Carter Hell Sakuon Barkley a few years ago. Right,
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Speaker 2: doesn't that make the board proud?
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Speaker 1: Or what? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I mean, are you, as a Giants fan allowed to
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Speaker 3: say the word Sae Kwon Barkley?
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Speaker 2: You know what? I do it anyway because I believe
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Speaker 2: in respect, the respect the guy's talent.
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Speaker 3: Look, you didn't make the decision, you know, and doesn't
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Speaker 3: mean you don't like him and he didn't make the
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Speaker 3: decision to go. But yeah, I mean there's certainly an
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Speaker 3: element of, you know, ultimately that's what you want.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the first.
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Speaker 3: Thing I care about is how are we doing on
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Speaker 3: the field at Penn State, and then their pro career
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Speaker 3: is after that, which was really the same way we
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Speaker 3: took that approach to my coach here for seventeen years.
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Speaker 3: You know, we would go into a kid's home and say,
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Speaker 3: if you want to, we're interested in guys that want
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Speaker 3: to get a big time education, that want to be
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Speaker 3: part of the team that competes for a national championship
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Speaker 3: in a Big Ten championship and then goes to the NFL.
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Speaker 1: So that was kind of what I'm seeing.
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Speaker 2: James Fengle go into different homes of these guys, right,
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Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think if you try to really build
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Speaker 3: a football program that's going to be sustainable and successful
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Speaker 3: on the field and to college level, that's what you
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Speaker 3: have to have.
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Speaker 1: You have to have guys.
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Speaker 3: Interested in doing things in the classroom, doing things for
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Speaker 3: the teammates, and a lot of that.
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Speaker 1: The pro career will kind of develop itself out of that.
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Speaker 2: All right, I got to ask this because obviously you
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Speaker 2: were around your father Joe Paterno for forever. How proud
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Speaker 2: was he when he got a kid drafted to the NFL.
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Speaker 2: Was he like beaming or what?
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Speaker 3: No, he was like, good for them, and hey, we
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Speaker 3: got games next year to worry about, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 3: you know he had I just saw stad. He had
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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty one guys drafted throughout his career,
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Speaker 3: which is more than any other coach in the history
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Speaker 3: of the game. And he never once went to the
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Speaker 3: draft because he'd say, hey, it's their day, not mine.
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Speaker 1: I'm really happy for him. Whatever.
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Speaker 3: And you know a lot of these players would call
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Speaker 3: up and their parents would called we'd have got himed
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Speaker 3: Levi Brown who was the first round pick of the Cardinals,
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Speaker 3: in the top top ten pick, and he came to
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Speaker 3: pennch day as a defensive lineman and we moved them.
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Speaker 3: Joe moved them, I think before his sophomore year, and
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Speaker 3: he did not want to move. And the dad was mad.
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Speaker 3: The kid was mad, I want to be a defensive tackle.
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Speaker 3: And just said, look, you can be an ordinary defensive tackle,
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Speaker 3: or you have the chance to be a top ten
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Speaker 3: pick as an offensive tackle.
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Speaker 1: And he was not happy about it.
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Speaker 3: He was, you know, sulked for a little while, and
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Speaker 3: then certainly draft day, you know, two years later, as
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Speaker 3: all American, he gets drafted in the top ten of
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Speaker 3: the draft and his dad called Joe, and the kid
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Speaker 3: called Joe and said, you know, you were right, and well,
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Speaker 3: I've been doing this a little while, so I think
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Speaker 3: I know what I'm look at that. So, but those
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Speaker 3: are the kind of stories that you love. I mean,
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Speaker 3: there were two or three teammates of mine that came
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Speaker 3: and recruited different positions and moved and weren't happy and
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Speaker 3: then ended up having ten year careers as pro So
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think my dad really enjoyed watching that
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Speaker 3: process absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of both sides of the ball, I got to
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Speaker 2: get to this other draft pick that happened to be
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Speaker 2: second in Travis Hunter. Now, do you think the NFL
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Speaker 2: is gonna let him or do you think the Brown's
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Speaker 2: gonna I'm sorry, the Jaguar's gonna let him? Play both
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Speaker 2: sides of the ball here. What's gonna happen?
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Speaker 3: I would think at some point because he's valued on
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Speaker 3: both sides of the ball. I mean, Deon Sanders did it,
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Speaker 3: you know, was predominantly a corner who would go play
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Speaker 3: do some offensive things, so it can be done. The
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Speaker 3: president is there, The question is what do you want
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Speaker 3: him to major in? So to speak, it's really like
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Speaker 3: a major like, I don't think they're gonna have him
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Speaker 3: play fifty plays on offensive, but he plays defense like
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Speaker 3: he did in college. I think the game is just
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Speaker 3: too physical and difficult. That may be wrong, and if
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Speaker 3: I'm wrong, good for him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean and Otani is you know, it's that's proven
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Speaker 3: to have a lot of wear and tear on him.
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Speaker 3: So but that being said, I think you know what
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Speaker 3: side of the ball he majors in. I think will
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Speaker 3: be I think that team is Carolina. Will you know,
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Speaker 3: if they wanted to be a shutdown corner, they'll let
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Speaker 3: him develop into that and do some things offensively. And
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Speaker 3: we coached, you know, over my career, we had some
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Speaker 3: guys who played both sides of the ball or multiple positions,
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Speaker 3: and they majored in something, and if they were predominantly
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Speaker 3: a dB, like Justin King got drafted at the third
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Speaker 3: or fourth round coming out back in the mid two thousands.
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Speaker 3: He was a defensive back who came over and helped
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Speaker 3: us on offense because he had those kind of skills.
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Speaker 4: So that's probably what they'll do now when the Giants
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Speaker 4: or colts in this case with Tyler Warren, say we
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Speaker 4: want to interview Abdul or we want to interview Tyler Warren,
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Speaker 4: does the board, does Penn State Athletics have any you know,
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Speaker 4: jurisdiction over that or they arrange it or are they
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Speaker 4: on their own with that.
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Speaker 3: That's a lot of those happen on. A lot of
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Speaker 3: those will happen on at the combine. So when the
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Speaker 3: guys go to combine, they'll go. One of the things
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Speaker 3: they did is they go through a whole series of
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Speaker 3: interviews with every team and NFL guys I know, and
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Speaker 3: I know a lot of guys in.
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Speaker 1: The league, and they've explained that process.
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Speaker 3: So if you are a guy that is going to
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Speaker 3: be drafted, they're gonna sit down with you and they're
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Speaker 3: gonna ask you questions.
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Speaker 1: And almost every every team interviews those.
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Speaker 2: Tis like a job interview, right basically.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's just like we want to get
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Speaker 3: to know what kind of guy you are, We want
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Speaker 3: to know what kind of interest you have, and something
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Speaker 3: we would bring in.
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Speaker 1: When I was coaching quarterbacks in Penn State.
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Speaker 3: When kids would come in for their visits, we'd sit
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Speaker 3: down and do kind of a film meeting with them
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Speaker 3: and get a feel for, you know, what is what's
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Speaker 3: their interest or football like you you know, we sit
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Speaker 3: down with them and we walked away from some guys
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Speaker 3: that were disinterest, that didn't seem to have that intellectual
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Speaker 3: curiosity because you.
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Speaker 1: Got to have that to play, especially at the NFL level.
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Speaker 2: So so you were a coach for seventeen years. In
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Speaker 2: those seventeen years where the interviews is Prebaalent, I feel
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Speaker 2: like the Chador situation really highlighted how important the interviews are.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like to me, so we're interviews a thing
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Speaker 2: seventeen years, you know, in the seventeen years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been doing that a long time and the
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Speaker 3: NFL has been doing that. The NFL used to do
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Speaker 3: a lot of background checks on guys. Probably still do
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Speaker 3: because when you're starting to commit that kind of money
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Speaker 3: to people, you want to know that you know that
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Speaker 3: there's no issues there, or if there are issues, you
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Speaker 3: want to be aware of them. But I think it's
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Speaker 3: one of those things that you know, it's not new.
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Speaker 3: I think when there's a high profile guy that is
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Speaker 3: sliding down draft boards. I think that's when teams start
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Speaker 3: to leak out maybe some negative things, or if a
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Speaker 3: guy's coming up the draft board, people leak out like
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Speaker 3: this guy really did well in these elements because you know,
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Speaker 3: the fans are all paying attention. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 3: he went back sixteen, seventeen, twenty years ago. You didn't
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Speaker 3: have you know, announcements of mel Kiper's mock draft two
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Speaker 3: point zero or three AR.
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Speaker 1: Or Todd mcshay's mock draft is now out. You know.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, no one had Eli being traded to the Giants.
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Speaker 2: That just happened naturally, you know. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean there's so much attention now on the draft
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Speaker 3: that GM's have to you know, the fans are weighing in,
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Speaker 3: and I think the teams want the fans to kind
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Speaker 3: of know, Hey, here's why we shot away from this guy.
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Speaker 1: That's why we jumped on this.
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Speaker 2: Guy absolutely, all right, Jay, Now we get to Tyler
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Speaker 2: Warren because we talked about him in the playoff series
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Speaker 2: just a few months ago. Actually no, not, so you're
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Speaker 2: not surprised he draft he got drafted.
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Speaker 1: Are you proud of him?
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Speaker 2: I feel like you were you were really touting him
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Speaker 2: last time we were on here.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I think, say, you gotta love everything about the guy.
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Speaker 3: The way he plays the game, all the positions he plays,
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Speaker 3: his intensity, his toughness. I mean, he's just a tough
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Speaker 3: football player that can do a number of things. He
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Speaker 3: could be a fullback, he can be a tight end,
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Speaker 3: he can do he can be an emergency quarterback. Now
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Speaker 3: you wouldn't want to play thirty forty plays in his
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Speaker 3: an emergency quarterback in the NFL ppiccause that's pretty high
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Speaker 3: level stuff. But I mean he can do a lot
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Speaker 3: of different things for you, and he becomes a problem
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Speaker 3: for defenses where now you have to figure out where
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Speaker 3: you know it's where's Walda?
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Speaker 1: You know, we got to find out what number he is.
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Speaker 3: When we used to practice against guys like that when
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Speaker 3: we were coaching on our scout team, we would put
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Speaker 3: like a green jersey on a guy like that so
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Speaker 3: they would know. You know, when when Charles Woodson was
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Speaker 3: at Michigan and playing different positions, you know that you
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Speaker 3: would you would do things like that. So he's a
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Speaker 3: guy that creates those kinds of problems for you.
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Speaker 2: Now, do you get to know when scouts are in
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Speaker 2: the building for these guys, or they just show up
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Speaker 2: randomly or how does that work.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what their policies.
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Speaker 3: You know, when I was still coaching, there would be
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Speaker 3: days they would command or you would know who was
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Speaker 3: in the building.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: And we used to limit it to maybe two weeks
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Speaker 3: in the fall because we don't want a lot of
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Speaker 3: distractions to practice. But every school has a from policy
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Speaker 3: on that, and I'm not sure exactly what Penn State's
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Speaker 3: policy is right now as a related scouts, But guys
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Speaker 3: know when they're coming in.
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Speaker 1: They you know, they'll let you.
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Speaker 3: Know how the Cardinals want to come in on November
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Speaker 3: tenth or something like that, So they'll let you know
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Speaker 3: when they're coming in.
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Speaker 2: All right, And Jack, I gotta ask you this, the
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Speaker 2: Riley Leonard Tyler Warren connection. Can we see that right
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Speaker 2: off the bat? Or will they give Riley a little
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Speaker 2: time on the bench. What do you think is gonna
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Speaker 2: happen there?
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Speaker 3: I think, I think, well, I think that'll take a
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Speaker 3: little time. But I think right, you know, that's the Colts.
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Speaker 3: You know, it seemed like Gander quarterback last year. Now
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Speaker 3: I'm drawing a blank on his name kid from Florida.
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Speaker 3: But you know, we'll see what happens now.
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Speaker 2: For you, I mean, you're watching all of this and
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Speaker 2: I believe you're kind of removed from the football program,
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Speaker 2: but you're still involved with Penn State. So talk about
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Speaker 2: that involvement. I don't highlight it last time, but got
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Speaker 2: a little more in depth. Does the involvement almost change
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Speaker 2: with every athletic season? Do you have any involvement with
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Speaker 2: the baseball for you know, all those different sports that
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Speaker 2: Penn State has.
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Speaker 3: I'm just mostly a fan of everything that's going on.
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Speaker 3: Like I go to a lot of events. I go
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Speaker 3: to lacrosse games, go to women's volleyball games. I mean
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Speaker 3: I went to a bunch of them because they won
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Speaker 3: on a national championship run. It was just awesome to watch.
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Speaker 3: I just try and stay out of the way and
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Speaker 3: be a fan.
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Speaker 2: And that was happening at the same time as football
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Speaker 2: was going on too.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, So, if there's any I always tell it good
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Speaker 3: as anything you guys, anything I can do to help you,
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Speaker 3: let me know.
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Speaker 1: Otherwise, just leave me some tickets from time to time.
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Speaker 2: There you go, bring general managers to.
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Speaker 1: The best ones.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you about the dimension of the GMS
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Speaker 2: just a little bit, and I feel like colleges might
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Speaker 2: need to have the GMS the way we're going. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I want to highlight an ECO and Tennessee. That situation
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Speaker 2: a kid dealing with contract negotiations doesn't make sense to me.
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Speaker 2: They're like twenty years old. And if you were still coaching, right,
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Speaker 2: would you say, Okay, I don't want this kid on
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Speaker 2: my team when he's thinking about the money. Is that
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Speaker 2: what your first reaction would be here?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think at the end of the day, you
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Speaker 3: say to a kid, look, you agree to this deal.
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Speaker 3: We agree to it. You agree to it. If you
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Speaker 3: don't honor it, you're not bigger than the program. I
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Speaker 3: probably what done with Tennessee did and said, you know,
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Speaker 3: go ahead and go I mean, I can't have this
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Speaker 3: discussion every couple.
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Speaker 1: Of weeks that you're just not happy with what you got.
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Speaker 3: So and I think that you're going to see schools
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Speaker 3: going to a GM model, especially as we get to
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Speaker 3: revenue sharing, because the revenue sharing will be capped. So now,
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Speaker 3: how much money do we allocate to the quarterback position?
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Speaker 3: How much money do you allocate to offensive line? And
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Speaker 3: I think you're going to see a lot of teams
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Speaker 3: try and set up essentially what it's an NFL type
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Speaker 3: model where they'll come in and say, this is the
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Speaker 3: this is the portion of your budget that you can
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Speaker 3: spend on this position. And it's similar to when you
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Speaker 3: had eighty five scholarship limits. You would want to have
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Speaker 3: x number of guys playing this position, x number of
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Speaker 3: guys playing opposite.
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Speaker 1: So it's similar, but it's more difficult because now you're
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Speaker 1: talking about money and and.
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Speaker 2: Can you highlight this in your book blitzed the all
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Speaker 2: out pressure of college football's new era? Is that right?
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Speaker 2: Pardon you highlight that in your new book as well?
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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Speaker 3: You go through all the problems that the coach is
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Speaker 3: dealing with kids coming and saying I want this amount
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Speaker 3: of money, recruits saying Texas offered me this amount of money.
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Speaker 1: Can you give me that? And now the coach is going,
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Speaker 1: you know, what the heck's going on?
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Speaker 3: And now you know it's even more so, And it
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter what sport you're talking about college sports. Now
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Speaker 3: there are agents involved that are trying to negotiate these deals.
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Speaker 2: All right, Now, I know that we didn't have y'all
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Speaker 2: about this other book, but I'm looking you also wrote
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Speaker 2: about your dad, so Penn State fans my one ins
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Speaker 2: I look at the life of Joe paternal tell us
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Speaker 2: about the book A Paternal Legacy and during Lessons from
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Speaker 2: the Life and Death of my father.
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Speaker 3: Well that's a completely nonfiction book. So that's that's really
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Speaker 3: kind of a memoir and it takes you you know,
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Speaker 3: I was one of the few people I was the
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Speaker 3: only guy really to know to have been his son,
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Speaker 3: played for him and then coach for him. So I've
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Speaker 3: seen this his life from all those different angles and
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Speaker 3: see him as a grandfather, and see him, you know,
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Speaker 3: in terms of his relationship with my mom and other
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Speaker 3: people around him. So it really takes you into kind
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Speaker 3: of the core values of what he was about, takes
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Speaker 3: you into a lot of stories inside his life and
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Speaker 3: look at through the lens of the full scope of
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Speaker 3: his life and the impact he had on people.
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Speaker 2: Now, James Franklin, I feel like he's just such a
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Speaker 2: done a great job as Penn Say head coach. But
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Speaker 2: when he was first hired, is there a review processes
15:31
Speaker 2: like do you guys look for that not an ex
15:33
Speaker 2: paternal but someone who can be continuing that legacy on
15:36
Speaker 2: the sideline.
15:37
Speaker 3: Well, I think the most important thing is you want
15:39
Speaker 3: someone that is committed to the academic side, because the
15:44
Speaker 3: end of the day, our first job is to educate people.
15:47
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you're committed, if they're committed to that.
15:50
Speaker 3: Now, I was not on the board when James got hired,
15:53
Speaker 3: so that was all you know before I was on
15:55
Speaker 3: the board. But certainly with any any coach that we hired,
15:58
Speaker 3: Penn say, that's job number one is I'm going to
16:01
Speaker 3: come in and make better people and get these student
16:04
Speaker 3: athletes we bring in, no matter what sport it is,
16:06
Speaker 3: educate them, make them better people when they leave, then
16:09
Speaker 3: when they got here, that's number one. Then obviously you
16:11
Speaker 3: want to be successful on the in the classroom, on
16:15
Speaker 3: the field, and then you want to have you want
16:17
Speaker 3: people that want to be here. I mean the sport
16:20
Speaker 3: administrators and college athletics coaches and college athletics are now players.
16:26
Speaker 3: You know, it's become a little bit like NASCAR. They'll
16:28
Speaker 3: wear whatever logo pays in the most, and that's not
16:31
Speaker 3: what you want if you're trying to build an enduring program,
16:33
Speaker 3: and hopefully that's the case we have here.
16:35
Speaker 2: Look across the board. I don't want any of our
16:37
Speaker 2: jerseys looking like soccer. There's no offense. But it's just
16:39
Speaker 2: kind of ridiculous. See how many advertisers on there. I
16:43
Speaker 2: gotta ask you this though, because being a father and son,
16:46
Speaker 2: we saw the Shador saga this weekend. It is an
16:50
Speaker 2: influence from Dion or what is it that made him
16:52
Speaker 2: go solo in the draft? I don't know.
16:56
Speaker 3: I mean, there's been a lot of things said about
16:57
Speaker 3: why you want that low than the draft. I think
17:00
Speaker 3: one of the things that happened is as I watched him,
17:03
Speaker 3: I think he's got an incredible amount of talent, but
17:07
Speaker 3: I think the hype sometimes outruns the actual evaluations.
17:12
Speaker 1: And again I didn't go to his pro days.
17:14
Speaker 3: I didn't, so I don't I can't tell you what
17:16
Speaker 3: they evaluate them on, what his interviews were like. But
17:19
Speaker 3: you know, the one thing I think that people underestimate
17:22
Speaker 3: and when it comes to the NFL is at the
17:23
Speaker 3: end of the day, the pressure to win is the
17:28
Speaker 3: overarching pressure. It's not political, it's not I don't like
17:32
Speaker 3: the way this guy does certain things, but it's I'm
17:34
Speaker 3: gonna trust, especially a quarterback. I'm gonna trust a lot
17:38
Speaker 3: of money into you. I'm gonna trust my team, and
17:40
Speaker 3: you're really, in most cases the most important guy in
17:44
Speaker 3: our locker room, so we're gonna be very very critical.
17:47
Speaker 3: And I think when when I'm still coaching, one of
17:50
Speaker 3: things we would tell our guys is go to the combine, okay,
17:54
Speaker 3: and have one pro day here. Don't let them work
17:57
Speaker 3: you out ten times, because a lot of these people
17:59
Speaker 3: are just looking for reasons to knock you down and
18:02
Speaker 3: say okay. And the more chances you get for them
18:05
Speaker 3: to find that one little thing that they don't like
18:08
Speaker 3: about you, the more likely they already find it. And
18:11
Speaker 3: this guy, he's worked out for a ton of people,
18:12
Speaker 3: So I don't know. Maybe you know, especially when you're
18:15
Speaker 3: throwing a lot, does your arm get tired or whatever
18:18
Speaker 3: it may be. So, and I think there was probably
18:21
Speaker 3: nobody under more of a microscope than he was, fairly
18:24
Speaker 3: or unfairly. So I think there were a lot of
18:27
Speaker 3: people looking for reasons not to take them rather than
18:30
Speaker 3: to take them, and that's probably part of how it
18:32
Speaker 3: played out. Now he's got a tremendous opportunity in terms
18:39
Speaker 3: of you know, Michael Jordan was cut from his ninth
18:42
Speaker 3: grade basketball team. Tom Brady was not the guy at
18:44
Speaker 3: Michigan had to work his way up to get that,
18:46
Speaker 3: and there was a six round pick.
18:48
Speaker 1: So you can go one of two ways of this.
18:49
Speaker 1: You can gripe and and be a problem, or you can.
18:53
Speaker 3: Say, you know what, I'm gonna show every team that
18:55
Speaker 3: did not draft me, they made a major mistake and
18:57
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to an even higher level of
19:00
Speaker 3: And I suspect that, you know, and I certainly hope
19:03
Speaker 3: that's what happens with him.
19:04
Speaker 2: Oh, I think he's fired up, and you know what,
19:06
Speaker 2: I gotta plaut his optimism. The whole rounds he wasn't drafted,
19:09
Speaker 2: he was still on Twitter saying, you know what, this
19:11
Speaker 2: is gonna be the day. Today's gonna be the day.
19:12
Speaker 2: And that's good optimism. You need that kind of healthy
19:14
Speaker 2: optimism and confidence.
19:16
Speaker 1: No question.
19:17
Speaker 3: Look, you know, probably the best thing for him to
19:20
Speaker 3: come in and be behind somebody for for a year
19:22
Speaker 3: or so and.
19:23
Speaker 1: And learned the game.
19:24
Speaker 3: That position at that level is so hard to be
19:27
Speaker 3: really really good at, and it is a it is
19:31
Speaker 3: a it's a year round job. You never consid you know,
19:35
Speaker 3: you look at the guys who's been great. Patrick Mahomes
19:38
Speaker 3: of the world. Russell Wilson came out of the third round.
19:40
Speaker 3: The guys I know that the guy I coached was
19:43
Speaker 3: on the Seahawks at that time, said, this guy is
19:45
Speaker 3: the first guy in last guy out. Watched his film
19:47
Speaker 3: like Crazy. He said, you watch, he ends up winning
19:50
Speaker 3: the super Bowl and going to another one. So I mean,
19:53
Speaker 3: you know those things. You know he's got an opportunity
19:55
Speaker 3: to do those things.
19:56
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I gotta say, Jay, this man awesome to get
20:00
Speaker 2: to have you once again. And you mentioned Russell, He's
20:04
Speaker 2: going to lead the Giants to some big wins this year.
20:07
Speaker 2: I have a feeling anyway, what do you think about that?
20:09
Speaker 2: While I have you.
20:10
Speaker 3: Look, I saw him against us in Wisconsin, and I said,
20:15
Speaker 3: this guy's got a little something special.
20:16
Speaker 1: Now, I didn't think he was gonna start as a rookie.
20:19
Speaker 1: I didn't think. I'm not that smart. But you know,
20:22
Speaker 1: I think I think, I think he's still got a
20:25
Speaker 1: lot left in the tank.
20:26
Speaker 3: I don't think he had a great supporting cast in
20:28
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh in terms of the offensive line. So if they
20:31
Speaker 3: can have the right kind of pieces around him, I
20:33
Speaker 3: think he's still got the ability to do some good things.
20:35
Speaker 3: The Steelers made the playoffs, which if you're a Giants
20:38
Speaker 3: fan right now and someone said Russell Wills is going
20:40
Speaker 3: to get you in the playoffs, I think you'd be
20:42
Speaker 3: thrilled that right now from where you're sitting.
20:45
Speaker 2: And you know, gab what what a pickup too to
20:48
Speaker 2: have that backfield now.
20:49
Speaker 3: So yeah, and you know, when you look at it,
20:52
Speaker 3: a guy that went in the draft that I that
20:54
Speaker 3: I had said was very similar to Russell Willson coming
20:57
Speaker 3: out as Dylan Gabriel in Cleveland, you know, as much
20:59
Speaker 3: as Shador's and that. You know, there's another guy that
21:02
Speaker 3: I saw play live in person twice, once when he's
21:05
Speaker 3: at Oklahoma, once when he was Oregon against you know,
21:08
Speaker 3: he had a game winning drive against Texas and then
21:11
Speaker 3: he had a game Oklahoma and a game winning drive
21:13
Speaker 3: against Ohio State. I was at that game. So I mean,
21:16
Speaker 3: you look at you know, there are guys that go
21:18
Speaker 3: further down draft that position end up really surprising everybody.
21:21
Speaker 2: You know, Oregon is so funny because it was like
21:23
Speaker 2: the first year in the Big Ten. You wouldn't know
21:25
Speaker 2: it though they seemed very experienced in the Big Ten already.
21:27
Speaker 3: It looked like, well, Dan Landing has kind of always
21:30
Speaker 3: been a hard nose, build a great offensive line, be physical.
21:35
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff kind of guy.
21:37
Speaker 3: So that that he was building towards that big ten
21:40
Speaker 3: roster even before that. And I think he's one of
21:43
Speaker 3: the I think he's one of the really great young
21:45
Speaker 3: coaches in this game right now.
21:47
Speaker 2: Now before before he went on, are you said that
21:50
Speaker 2: you didn't think Cleveland was going to pick Abdua Carter
21:52
Speaker 2: because what they were they were looking to trade down
21:54
Speaker 2: to begin with, or what what happened with that second spot?
21:57
Speaker 2: And how did you know you know Abduah was going
21:59
Speaker 2: to land he did?
22:01
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't necessarily know it, but you know, given
22:03
Speaker 3: you know, if you have that elite pass rusher outside
22:06
Speaker 3: with Garrett at Cleveland.
22:10
Speaker 1: Mons Garrett, you don you don't want to spend you know,
22:12
Speaker 1: you got to be careful.
22:13
Speaker 3: You don't spend too much money just on that position
22:16
Speaker 3: if you can get a guy who's really really good
22:18
Speaker 3: further down the draft. And so I think the Browns
22:21
Speaker 3: had a good draft because they got some of the
22:23
Speaker 3: guys they wanted anyway, you know, the guy that you
22:26
Speaker 3: know a lot of their.
22:26
Speaker 1: Fans wanted to take Shador in the first round. They
22:29
Speaker 1: got him in the fifth round and we're able to
22:30
Speaker 1: get some other piece around it.
22:31
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, I haven't evaluated the draft
22:34
Speaker 3: class top to bottom, but I think they came out
22:36
Speaker 3: and you know a lot of teams have done really
22:38
Speaker 3: really well trading down still getting the guy they really
22:41
Speaker 3: wanted and picking up extra picks. And anytime you can
22:43
Speaker 3: get multiple people for one guy, I take that every day.
22:48
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right's being of that. You know, Penn
22:51
Speaker 2: State will continue to want to have kids be drafted out.
22:54
Speaker 2: So what's what's next, Like, what's the outlook for Pennza
22:57
Speaker 2: football as far as getting these kids to that level?
23:01
Speaker 3: Well, I think next year's draft would be really interesting
23:03
Speaker 3: for Penn State because they got a lot of high
23:06
Speaker 3: profile guys coming back, much like Ohio State had last
23:09
Speaker 3: year where a lot of those guys.
23:11
Speaker 1: Could have gone the draft and came back.
23:13
Speaker 3: And I think they had fourteen guys drafted because they
23:15
Speaker 3: had a very veteran football team that won it all,
23:17
Speaker 3: just like Michigan did the year before when they won
23:20
Speaker 3: it all. I think Penn State's in that position, so
23:22
Speaker 3: you'll see a lot of guys. I'm not even to
23:24
Speaker 3: try and pretend like I know where they're going yet.
23:27
Speaker 3: I'm sure there'll be a mock draft out, you know,
23:29
Speaker 3: in a week or two for.
23:31
Speaker 1: Next year already.
23:33
Speaker 3: But I think that, you know, a lot of those
23:35
Speaker 3: guys will play themselves into whatever position they get drafted,
23:38
Speaker 3: I think.
23:39
Speaker 1: But I'm more concerned about how well they play.
23:43
Speaker 3: Oregon and Ohio State and whoever else they played in
23:46
Speaker 3: the Big Ten next year and win the whole thing.
23:48
Speaker 2: Were you impressed on how coach Franklin adapted though, to
23:51
Speaker 2: having these new editions of the Big Ten? I mean
23:53
Speaker 2: it seemed like they prepared well.
23:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think some of those teams.
23:58
Speaker 3: Of the teams, I think Oregon was one team that
24:00
Speaker 3: was most ready, and it certainly played itself out. I
24:03
Speaker 3: think Washington, you know, had had had had they had
24:07
Speaker 3: Washington Oregon joined the Big Ten a year earlier, when
24:10
Speaker 3: they had Pennix a quarterback, and Boonix and quarterback, you know,
24:14
Speaker 3: and USC had been a year early. I think they
24:16
Speaker 3: were better. Washington USC were better teams a year earlier
24:20
Speaker 3: than they did last year. But I think those teams
24:22
Speaker 3: now will know what it takes. I think Jed Fish
24:25
Speaker 3: is gonna do a good job at Washington getting a
24:27
Speaker 3: physical football team, which is kind of his mindset. I
24:32
Speaker 3: think UCLA picking up the quarterback from Tennessee and looking
24:36
Speaker 3: at how they finished the season versus how they started,
24:38
Speaker 3: and I mean they played They had to go to
24:40
Speaker 3: LSU last year as a road game on top of
24:43
Speaker 3: the Big Ten schedule, A had to come to Penn State.
24:46
Speaker 1: I mean they think they traveled twenty two twenty three
24:49
Speaker 1: thousand miles in there in there on last season, which
24:53
Speaker 1: is almost an entire lap around the equator.
24:55
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So I think that you know, these teams
24:59
Speaker 3: are all having had the You're on the belt, gonna
25:00
Speaker 3: make this conference even more interesting?
25:03
Speaker 2: All right, Jay, I gotta ask you this because you're
25:05
Speaker 2: sol in oo of college football and college sports in general. Well,
25:09
Speaker 2: we ever see a transfer portal cap? Like will there
25:11
Speaker 2: would be a cap on this day? I feel like
25:13
Speaker 2: it goes crazy during these off seasons.
25:15
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna have a point where there's gonna
25:17
Speaker 3: be I think the goal is to get to one
25:19
Speaker 3: transfer portal a year. So whether it's January after the
25:23
Speaker 3: playoffs seasons are done for football, or whether it becomes
25:27
Speaker 3: May after spring football is over, everybody wants to see
25:30
Speaker 3: this settle down. I think where this is going to
25:32
Speaker 3: end up is you're gonna have we just have to
25:35
Speaker 3: be honest about what we are. And you know, we're
25:38
Speaker 3: running sports entertainment enterprise on our campus. So I think
25:42
Speaker 3: you're gonna end up having an employer employee relationship. You're
25:45
Speaker 3: gonna have collective bargaining, and you have contracts like the NFL,
25:49
Speaker 3: so you can settle essentially what the labor market is down.
25:53
Speaker 3: I mean, one things you don't hear about when these
25:54
Speaker 3: guys keep transfer from school to school to school is
25:57
Speaker 3: how does this impact them academically? No one talked about
25:59
Speaker 3: it and the ultimately that's what we're trying to do here.
26:02
Speaker 3: But I think that's gonna be a challenge is how
26:05
Speaker 3: do you balance the academic side with the business side
26:08
Speaker 3: of it for these guys. I think a employer employee
26:11
Speaker 3: relationship and collective bargaining will help settle all that down.
26:15
Speaker 2: Now, as coach, right for seventeen years and beyond, did
26:19
Speaker 2: a lot of kids come to you with anxiety of,
26:21
Speaker 2: oh my god, I don't know if I a draft
26:22
Speaker 2: or not. Was there a lot of anxiety in that
26:24
Speaker 2: locker room come you know the draft time?
26:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, but a lot of these guys, they would you know,
26:29
Speaker 3: when they were done with their senior year, they would
26:31
Speaker 3: then go train somewhere and then they go warm weather
26:35
Speaker 3: place or they'd have these these you know, their agents
26:37
Speaker 3: would set them up with a place to train, then
26:40
Speaker 3: they'd come in.
26:40
Speaker 1: So we didn't talk to them.
26:41
Speaker 3: That much, and most of that process was handled by
26:45
Speaker 3: their agents and buy them were directly with the team,
26:48
Speaker 3: So we weren't as much a part of the process
26:49
Speaker 3: as you would think. But yeah, you always had guys
26:52
Speaker 3: that are you know, do my getting a draft? You know,
26:53
Speaker 3: you read guys that were no.
26:56
Speaker 1: No doubt first rounders that were worried about where the're
26:58
Speaker 1: gonna draft them.
26:58
Speaker 3: Like, look, if if someone picks you and they pay you,
27:02
Speaker 3: you're better off than you are right now. So don't
27:04
Speaker 3: worry about where you get picked or how much you
27:05
Speaker 3: get paid, you know, just deal with it.
27:08
Speaker 2: And would you encourage the kids to they say, like
27:10
Speaker 2: an ECO, hey, worry about your performance, then get paid
27:13
Speaker 2: type of thing. Is that what you would preaching?
27:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, ultimately, everybody's going to make some nil
27:18
Speaker 3: money when you're that high profile, but I think you know,
27:20
Speaker 3: whether you're making two point five million or three million,
27:23
Speaker 3: in college.
27:24
Speaker 2: I mean, and for those of them may not remember,
27:27
Speaker 2: you're were in the room when an IL really started,
27:29
Speaker 2: you held structured if I'm not mistaken, right.
27:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was.
27:33
Speaker 3: I was on the board trustees, and certainly I've been
27:35
Speaker 3: consulting on it with some people doing education systems and
27:39
Speaker 3: things like that for NIL. So yeah, I've been around
27:42
Speaker 3: it really since the start. And I think you know
27:45
Speaker 3: what no one really, no one really understands, probably fully,
27:50
Speaker 3: is how much pressure is on these guys and from
27:52
Speaker 3: family members, from from agents, from people saying, well, if
27:56
Speaker 3: you don't jump to the school, you're not getting as
27:58
Speaker 3: much as you should rather than you know what, am
28:00
Speaker 3: I making enough to do the things I want to do?
28:04
Speaker 1: Great, because the real money's going to happen when I
28:06
Speaker 1: get to the NFL. You know.
28:09
Speaker 2: I've talked with people, a few of my friends, and they, well,
28:11
Speaker 2: one particular said that the NIL is the reason why
28:14
Speaker 2: all number ones won to get to the NCA Final four.
28:18
Speaker 2: Is it possible that the money's going to help these
28:20
Speaker 2: number ones and in these bigger schools and when we
28:23
Speaker 2: see those fifteen over one upsets, you know, in the future.
28:27
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be harder, I think, because it
28:30
Speaker 3: gould be harder for those mid if you talk about
28:32
Speaker 3: basketball specifically, for those teams to kind of keep their
28:36
Speaker 3: teams together. Like when Butler had that run, whether they
28:39
Speaker 3: were in the finals or final fourteen years, I know
28:41
Speaker 3: they were in the finals at least one of those
28:42
Speaker 3: two years, they had a veteran team. The problem now
28:46
Speaker 3: is that you look at it, some of those teams,
28:50
Speaker 3: those guys get picked off and they won't have a
28:53
Speaker 3: chance to build into that veteran team that you had.
28:56
Speaker 3: So that part, but now we'll see how this plays
28:59
Speaker 3: is a that goes along because if you're a school
29:02
Speaker 3: like Georgetown, you have some wealthy alums that want to
29:05
Speaker 3: put together a really good basketball team. You don't have
29:07
Speaker 3: to worry about the football side of it. So you're
29:09
Speaker 3: wealthy going to be all invested in the basketball side.
29:12
Speaker 1: You know that. Maybe you know Yukon is a team
29:14
Speaker 1: like that.
29:14
Speaker 3: Now they have football, but they're not as invested in
29:16
Speaker 3: football as they are in basketball. So a team like
29:20
Speaker 3: Saint John's in New York, you know ken Rick Patino
29:24
Speaker 3: round up enough money to continue that.
29:26
Speaker 1: I think probably can because that's the sport for them.
29:29
Speaker 3: So I think that we'll see some teams outside of
29:33
Speaker 3: those powerful conferences that continue to be really, really really
29:36
Speaker 3: good in basketball.
29:38
Speaker 2: I love Saint John's there half a block away from
29:40
Speaker 2: my old home, so there you go. Love what they're doing.
29:43
Speaker 2: One last thing. I have friends at Penn Satan, they say,
29:45
Speaker 2: and they were at the Blue and White game this
29:47
Speaker 2: past weekend.
29:47
Speaker 1: How was that?
29:49
Speaker 3: I was actually out of town because I have kids
29:52
Speaker 3: playing college across so I had to go to games
29:55
Speaker 3: on Saturday and Sunday out of town, so I didn't
29:57
Speaker 3: get to watch it.
29:57
Speaker 2: But I will.
29:58
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a I have a couple of
30:00
Speaker 1: friends of mine.
30:01
Speaker 3: That went that told me they've got written reports for well,
30:05
Speaker 3: you know, these guys aren't football guys, and said, I
30:07
Speaker 3: don't know if I trust your written reports, but.
30:09
Speaker 2: I mean, these spring games are televised. How did that
30:11
Speaker 2: become a thing where it's a bigger thing on the
30:13
Speaker 2: spring now?
30:14
Speaker 3: Well, the thing was this one wasn't televised because normally
30:17
Speaker 3: I'd go and say, let me see the television. But
30:20
Speaker 3: a lot of people are a lot of coaches don't
30:22
Speaker 3: want to televise them anymore. Because you're now giving people
30:25
Speaker 3: a chance to look at your second scouting report on
30:28
Speaker 3: those third end.
30:29
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that.
30:30
Speaker 3: Guy could help us. Now let's go give him money.
30:33
Speaker 3: So everybody, you know, one thing coaches are I mean,
30:36
Speaker 3: they can all deny it. There's a level of paranoia
30:39
Speaker 3: in every coach that somebody's trying to do something to
30:42
Speaker 3: take one of our guys, and especially in this era
30:45
Speaker 3: where there's really no rules.
30:46
Speaker 2: You know, I just realized I haven't had you on
30:48
Speaker 2: since I believe that the Egos won the Super Bowl.
30:51
Speaker 2: So I want your reaction to that real quick. How
30:54
Speaker 2: are they able to shut down the Chiefs? I mean,
30:56
Speaker 2: that's a pretty impressive game.
30:57
Speaker 3: There, pass rush, pass rush, and you know, it's become
31:01
Speaker 3: a quarterback league, and the best way, the best pass
31:06
Speaker 3: defense there is is pass rush. And the Eagles could
31:08
Speaker 3: get to Mahomes with just four guys rushing, which meant
31:12
Speaker 3: they could leave seven guys in coverage. And I can
31:15
Speaker 3: tell you, as a guy who coached quarterbacks, if they
31:17
Speaker 3: can get you with four guys, you gonna you got.
31:19
Speaker 3: You have to be really creative and things you do, run,
31:22
Speaker 3: draw screens, whatever. I think the Steeler I mean the
31:24
Speaker 3: Eagles to me there, they're defensive.
31:29
Speaker 1: They should have given the front four the MVP of
31:32
Speaker 1: that game, because that was the difference in the game.
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Speaker 2: Back Patrick, That's how the Giants be Brady two times, no.
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Speaker 1: Question about it.
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Speaker 3: And I mean that, like I said, that's the most
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Speaker 3: effective pass defense there is the four man pass rush
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Speaker 3: that can get there.
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Speaker 2: And I think you had a little more best of
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Speaker 2: an interest because a certain Saquon wasn't the Super Bowl this.
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Speaker 1: Year, right, no question about it.
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Speaker 3: It certainly a guy who's conducted himself as nothing but
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Speaker 3: class represented Penn State, represent the Giants when he was
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Speaker 3: there with class represents the class, represents his home community
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Speaker 3: with class in Parkland High School.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, this is a guy that's just I mean,
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Speaker 1: everything about him is.
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Speaker 3: Great and he couldn't be. And I'm not an Eagles fan.
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Speaker 3: I in fact, I don't really don't have a favorite
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Speaker 3: team in the NFL. I just kind of watch them all.
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Speaker 3: But it's hard not to root for him. And even
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Speaker 3: a guy like Jalen Hurts is not a Penn Stater,
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Speaker 3: it's hard not to root for a guy that conducts
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Speaker 3: himself that way.
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Speaker 1: Although I do think the tush push should be semi illegal,
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Speaker 1: that is something.
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Speaker 2: Else all right. On that note, because the Giants have
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Speaker 2: another Penn state, you know player here in abdul Carter.
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Speaker 2: Will you be making appearance. I've met Life Stadium during
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Speaker 2: one of these games this year.
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Speaker 3: I'd like to depends on my you know, it depends
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Speaker 3: on kids' schedules, and you know, once you have kids,
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Speaker 3: your schedule is no longer your own.
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Speaker 1: But I definitely would like to get out there for
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Speaker 1: one to see the Giants.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you do, let me know. I'm on the
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Speaker 2: link up there. That would be awesome. We'll do all right,
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Speaker 2: Jay Paternal thanks so much for joining me once again
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Speaker 2: the One up Network. I'll tell you breaking news right
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Speaker 2: after abdual Carter gets drafted number three by the Giants.
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Speaker 2: Thanks again, Jay.
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Speaker 1: Thanks