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- 0:21Each deep dive is tailored for you, our curious listener, and
- 0:25today we are going to unpack some foundational teachings
- 0:28concerning the Church itself, straight from the words of
- 0:31Jesus. That's right, for this
- 0:33particular deep dive, we have been given excerpts from John
- 0:36Piper's work, specifically focusing on all the Jesus
- 0:39commanded. Significant.
- 0:40Work it is, and our mission is to break down Jesus's clear
- 0:44guidelines for his followers regarding how they are to live
- 0:48together in community, focusing on how they are to deal with sin
- 0:51among them and the specific practices he instituted, baptism
- 0:56and the Lord's Supper. These are not just ancient
- 0:58practices, they are active principles for what it means to
- 1:02be a gathering of Jesus's followers today.
- 1:04And as we consider these instructions, we'll see how they
- 1:07shape our collective life and our individual walk as
- 1:09believers. It's really interesting to
- 1:12consider that Jesus didn't just give a message, He gave
- 1:15practical directives. Didn't he?
- 1:17For his people to live by? He absolutely did.
- 1:19Very practical so. As we begin to consider Jesus's
- 1:23fundamental design for his church, what strikes you as most
- 1:26significant about his overall approach?
- 1:29Where do we start with that? Hi, Jesus's intentional design
- 1:32for his church. OK, let's unpack this
- 1:35foundational idea. First, the source material.
- 1:38Piper's work makes a really clear assertion the church
- 1:41wasn't an accidental development, nor was it like a
- 1:44Plan B because Jesus's Kingdom message didn't maybe materialize
- 1:49on earth in the way some might have assumed at the time.
- 1:52Right, that's a common misconception, but Piper pushes
- 1:54back hard on that. So what's truly insightful here
- 1:57is that it was a deliberate, planned entity from the very
- 1:59beginning, part of Jesus's sovereign intention for his
- 2:02people. Indeed, Piper highlights that
- 2:05the church was planned by Jesus and he provided for her in every
- 2:08way. In every way.
- 2:10That's the phrase, and this speaks directly to Jesus's
- 2:13purposeful role operating under the declaration.
- 2:15I will build my church. That famous declaration in
- 2:18Matthew 16. Exactly.
- 2:20And this isn't just, you know, a casual statement.
- 2:22It signifies his authority and his active participation in
- 2:25calling his people into existence.
- 2:27So he's the builder? He is the builder.
- 2:29He is actively gathering his flock and fulfilling his promise
- 2:32to be with her to the end of of the age, right?
- 2:35This establishes the Church's divine origin, making it clear
- 2:39that it's not just a human construct or merely a collection
- 2:43of individuals who decided to gather.
- 2:45It's not a club. It's not a club, it is a body
- 2:48brought into being and continually sustained by
- 2:51Christ's own sovereign will and ongoing action.
- 2:54So that elevates its standing, doesn't it?
- 2:56Makes it unique. It really does.
- 2:58It makes the Church's existence and purpose a direct outcome of
- 3:02Christ's rule, rather than, say, a human response to unforeseen
- 3:06circumstances. And part of that extensive
- 3:08provision, which Piper also brings up from I think it was a
- 3:10previous discussion in his work, includes his spirit and his
- 3:14word. Crucial elements.
- 3:16These are the tools, if you will, that guide and teach his
- 3:19followers not just at the outset but continuously.
- 3:22It's ongoing. Precisely.
- 3:23He teaches her by His Spirit and through His Word.
- 3:26This is where the vibrancy and the ongoing health of the Church
- 3:30really come from. So it's not static.
- 3:31Not at all. It's not as though Jesus started
- 3:33something and then just, you know, step back.
- 3:36His continuous teaching and guidance through the Spirit and
- 3:39the written Word are absolutely integral to the Church's daily
- 3:42functioning and spiritual well-being.
- 3:45How does that work practically? The Spirit and the Word
- 3:47together. Well, the Spirit illuminates the
- 3:49Word, right? Applying its truths to the
- 3:51hearts and minds of believers, equipping them for living out
- 3:54Jesus's commands. OK.
- 3:56This reveals Jesus's active role in shaping the church's
- 3:59character and ensuring its faithfulness to his vision.
- 4:03He's providing the internal wisdom and instruction needed
- 4:06for his people to live together according to his plan.
- 4:09And to grow, presumably. Yes, and to grow in a collective
- 4:13spiritual maturity that reflects his own character.
- 4:16This ongoing supernatural work means the church isn't just
- 4:20surviving, it's being actively nurtured and directed by its
- 4:23head, by Christ himself. So with that understanding of
- 4:27Jesus's intentional design in his active role in building and
- 4:32sustaining his church, it makes perfect sense that he would also
- 4:35give very specific practical guidelines.
- 4:37It follows logically, yes. Guidelines for how this
- 4:40community, this collective of his followers, is to operate.
- 4:45With that in mind, let's turn to some of the specific practical
- 4:48guidelines Jesus gave for his church, starting with a topic
- 4:51that might feel uncomfortable in our modern world how to handle
- 4:55sin within the community. Yes, definitely countercultural
- 4:58in some ways, but absolutely vital to his design to handling
- 5:02sin in the church. A path to restoration through
- 5:05discipline. So if we connect this to the
- 5:07bigger picture of Jesus building his church, we see that he also
- 5:10provided very specific guidelines for addressing sin
- 5:13among his followers. By just ignoring it.
- 5:15Definitely not ignoring it. This process is commonly known
- 5:18as church discipline, which is well the churches biblical
- 5:22responsibility to correct and restore airing members.
- 5:25Restore being a keyword there a. Very keyword.
- 5:28It's described in the source as careful, loving, patient
- 5:31discipline. The whole framework is designed
- 5:34to foster repentance and restoration, not merely
- 5:37punishment. Or, you know, kicking someone
- 5:40out immediately. It's not primarily punitive.
- 5:42No, it's a crucial element of his design, signaling that a
- 5:46healthy church is not one that's magically free of sin.
- 5:49Because that doesn't exist. It doesn't exist, the sight of
- 5:51glory, no, But a healthy church is one that knows how to address
- 5:55sin in a way that seeks the good of the individual who has
- 5:58strayed and upholds the purity of the collective fellowship.
- 6:01That's a. Delicate.
- 6:03It is, it truly signals a deep concern for both the person and
- 6:06the integrity of the body of believers.
- 6:09That's a fascinating perspective because Jesus gave a clear multi
- 6:13stage process for addressing what Piper calls persistent
- 6:16unrepented sin. Yes, specifically that kind,
- 6:19persistent and unrepented. It starts very personally and
- 6:23only if needed, expands to involve the wider community.
- 6:27What does this process truly mean for someone encountering it
- 6:30for the first time? It seems quite countercultural
- 6:33like you said. It does feel that way in our,
- 6:35well, our comfort driven culture maybe.
- 6:37Yeah, confrontation avoidant. Right, but Jesus approach is
- 6:41remarkably methodical and ultimately driven by love and a
- 6:44desire for reconciliation. Piper explains that Jesus lays
- 6:48out four distinct steps in Matthew 18, verses 15 to 17.
- 6:52OK, 4 steps. Each step builds on the previous
- 6:55one, escalating the level of involvement only if the earlier,
- 6:58more private steps do not yield repentance.
- 7:01Though to progressive. Very progressive, this structure
- 7:04underscores the desire for a resolution that preserves
- 7:07relationships whenever possible while also upholding the moral
- 7:10and spiritual standards of the community.
- 7:12It's a compassionate framework intended to bring the individual
- 7:15back into alignment with Christ. Recognizing that sin effects
- 7:18everyone eventually. Exactly unaddressed sin can be
- 7:21corrosive both to the individual and the entire body.
- 7:25A step, one private admonition. So the initial instruction from
- 7:30Matthew 18.15 is straightforward.
- 7:33If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault
- 7:36between you and him alone. Just the two of you.
- 7:39Just the two of you. This emphasizes personal direct
- 7:42communication as the first and most preferred path.
- 7:45So the person sinned against, or maybe someone who becomes aware
- 7:48of a serious sin takes the initiative.
- 7:50That's right, the one who is aware is called to initiate the
- 7:53conversation. This places the immediate care
- 7:56and desire for correction on the one directly impacted or
- 7:59concerned, rather than immediately involving others or,
- 8:02you know, gossiping about it. Which happens far too often.
- 8:05Sadly, yes. The goal here is to keep the
- 8:07matter as contained and private as possible.
- 8:10Allows for a quiet, heartfelt discussion without the pressure
- 8:13or embarrassment of wider exposure.
- 8:15It respects the person's dignity.
- 8:17It does, while still addressing the reality of their actions.
- 8:20And the primary goal of this private conversation is crystal
- 8:23clear. If he listens to you, you have
- 8:26gained your brother. That's the objective gain the
- 8:29brother. It's about winning back the
- 8:31individual, isn't it? Not shaming them publicly right
- 8:34away. Absolutely.
- 8:36This highlights the loving and relational aspect of the
- 8:38process. It's not about proving a point
- 8:41or asserting dominance or seeking retribution.
- 8:43Not about being right. No, it's about seeking the
- 8:47spiritual welfare of the other person, hoping they will
- 8:50acknowledge their fault and turn from it.
- 8:52This initial step offers a discrete opportunity for
- 8:55repentance rooted in brotherly care.
- 8:58And it acknowledges maybe they didn't even realize the impact.
- 9:01That's true too. Sometimes people are simply
- 9:04unaware of the harm they've caused or the spiritual
- 9:06implications of their actions, and a gentle, private word is
- 9:10all that is needed to set things right.
- 9:12The restoration of the individual is paramount at this
- 9:14stage. Be Step 2.
- 9:16Involve witnesses. OK, but what if that private
- 9:19one-on-one conversation doesn't work?
- 9:21What if a person doesn't listen? Right.
- 9:23Well, Piper notes that if that private conversation does not
- 9:26bring about listening and repentance, the next instruction
- 9:28is given by Jesus. But if he does not listen, take
- 9:31one or two others along with you.
- 9:33OK, bringing in others. Why?
- 9:35The purpose for this is crucial that every charge may be
- 9:39established by the evidence of two or three witnesses.
- 9:42Ah, so it's about establishing the facts objectively.
- 9:45Exactly. This step introduces an
- 9:48objective element, providing corroboration for the fault and
- 9:51ensuring the process isn't based on a single, potentially biased
- 9:55account. That's wise.
- 9:57Protects everyone involved. It does.
- 9:59And these witnesses aren't just like passive observers.
- 10:03They are there to confirm the facts, to add their voice to the
- 10:07appeal for repentance, and to serve as additional exhortations
- 10:10for the individual. They share the burden, in a
- 10:13sense. They share in the burden of
- 10:14loving confrontation, yes. So this step truly adds weight
- 10:17to the situation. It moves beyond just one
- 10:20person's word against another's. It does.
- 10:22It offers a further opportunity for the one in sin to hear the
- 10:25truth confirmed by others and hopefully to repent.
- 10:28It's definitely an escalation, but it sounds like it's still
- 10:31fully aimed at reconciliation, at gaining that brother or
- 10:34sister. That remains the goal.
- 10:36The involvement of one or two others brings the collective
- 10:39wisdom and concern of the community, or at least a part of
- 10:42it, to bear, providing a more robust appeal for repentance.
- 10:45And like you said, it protects all parties, ensures
- 10:48transparency and verification, helps prevent accusations of
- 10:51unfairness. Yes, precisely.
- 10:54The goal remains the individual's repentance and
- 10:56restoration to proper fellowship, but now with a
- 10:58broader unified voice of concern from within the community still
- 11:03seeking restoration. See Step 3.
- 11:07Tell the Church. OK, step one is private.
- 11:10Step 2 involves witnesses. But what if the person still
- 11:13refuses to listen even to the witnesses?
- 11:15Should the individual still refuse to listen to them, that
- 11:18is to the witnesses, Piper explains.
- 11:20The instruction from Jesus is then to tell it to the church.
- 11:23Tell the church the whole gathered community.
- 11:25Yes, the word church here, ecclesia, is significant, Piper
- 11:29notes. It signals Jesus's preparation
- 11:31for the ongoing fellowship of his band of followers.
- 11:34In his absence, he's envisioning the structured community.
- 11:37So this moves the matter from a private or small group concern
- 11:40to a collective 1 involving the entire local body of believers.
- 11:44That's the implication. It signifies that unrepentant
- 11:47sin, if it persists and remains unaddressed through the earlier
- 11:51steps, affects the entire body. It's not just a private matter
- 11:55anymore. No, not at this stage.
- 11:57Therefore, the entire body has a role in seeking its resolution
- 12:02and upholding its standards. And it also underscores the
- 12:05public nature of Christian witness, doesn't it?
- 12:07Persistent sin eventually risks bringing, well, dishonor to the
- 12:12name of Christ. That's a serious consideration.
- 12:14Yes, the integrity of the church's witness is at stake.
- 12:18And this truly brings the matter before the entire community of
- 12:20believers, allowing the collective body to urge the
- 12:23person to repent. It's a powerful call to account,
- 12:26isn't? It it is the body of believers
- 12:28speaks with one voice, demonstrating their shared care
- 12:31for the individual and their commitment to the purity of the
- 12:34fellowship. So the hope is still there even
- 12:37at this stage. The hope is always there for
- 12:39repentance. The hope is that the gravity of
- 12:42the situation, coupled with the unified appeal of the Church,
- 12:46will finally lead the individual to reconsider their stance and
- 12:49turn from their sin. It's a public, but ideally still
- 12:52loving appeal. It should be.
- 12:54It demonstrates the church's shared responsibility for one
- 12:57another's spiritual well-being. It is a serious step
- 13:01acknowledging that if an individual resists, the private
- 13:03and small group appeals. The entire community has a part
- 13:07to play in drawing clear boundaries for the health of all
- 13:11decent 4 Treat as a gentile and tax collector.
- 13:14Exclusion from unique fellowship.
- 13:16OK, this leads to the final step and honestly, this one sounds
- 13:19the hardest. What if the person refuses to
- 13:22listen even to the church? This is the most severe step.
- 13:25The instruction is to let him be to you as a gentile and a tax
- 13:29collector. Wow.
- 13:30That sounds harsh, especially knowing how Gentiles and tax
- 13:33collectors were viewed back. Then it does sound harsh to our
- 13:36ears. But it's critical to note, as
- 13:38Piper points out, this does not mean treating the person with
- 13:41hostility. OK, that's important because
- 13:43Jesus himself show love to Gentiles and tax collectors.
- 13:47Exactly, he taught his followers to love such people even though
- 13:50those outside the faith or those despised by society.
- 13:54So this instruction is not about hatred or I'll will, it means a
- 13:58specific change in the nature of the relationship.
- 14:01A change in relationship, not abandonment.
- 14:05So what does it mean then, if it's not about hostility?
- 14:08How would Jesus's original audience have understood that?
- 14:11Well, Piper clarifies that it means to no longer share the
- 14:14unique fellowship of Jesus with him, not to relate with him as
- 14:18if there is no barrier in the fellowship.
- 14:20OK, break that down. Unique Fellowship.
- 14:22Think about the intimate aspects of Christian community for
- 14:25Jesus's Jewish listeners. Gentiles were outsiders to God's
- 14:28covenant people, and tax collectors were often viewed as
- 14:32moral outcasts, traitors collaborating with Rome.
- 14:35Deeply distrusted. Deeply so.
- 14:37Jesus is instructing his followers to treat someone who
- 14:40persistently refuses to repent as one who has, by their own
- 14:44actions, placed themselves outside the unique, intimate
- 14:47fellowship of the Church. So it's a recognition of a
- 14:50reality they've created. In a way, yes.
- 14:52A practical example Piper gives is not sharing, for example, in
- 14:56the Lord's Supper together. Exclusion from the table that's.
- 15:00Significant. Very significant.
- 15:02It's a visible acknowledgement that their unrepentant sin
- 15:04creates a spiritual barrier to participating in the most
- 15:07intimate communal expressions of faith unique to Jesus's
- 15:11followers. It marks a broken covenantal
- 15:14relationship within the community, a kind of self
- 15:16exclusion through their actions. This ultimate step then
- 15:20highlights a really sobering reality.
- 15:22It does. It underscores A vital point,
- 15:24Piper argues, that persistent, unrepented sin, a refusal to
- 15:29take sin seriously and make war against it in our own lives,
- 15:32will mean we are not really followers of Jesus.
- 15:35That's a strong statement. It questions the authenticity of
- 15:38their faith. It calls it into serious
- 15:40question. Again, this isn't about being
- 15:41punitive in a vindictive sense, but about facing a stark
- 15:44reality. If one refuses to deal with sin,
- 15:47ultimately rejecting the lordship of Christ in that area,
- 15:51it indicates they may not truly be his follower.
- 15:54So Jesus made this provision. Why?
- 15:56So the Church would not tolerate blatant unwillingness to repent,
- 16:00thus maintaining the integrity and purity of the fellowship.
- 16:04The Church's responsibility is to reflect Christ's holiness.
- 16:07And allowing persistent unaddressed sin would compromise
- 16:11that it. Would compromise that witness.
- 16:12This final step really is a desperate measure.
- 16:15It's aimed to awaken the individual to the gravity of
- 16:18their spiritual state, hoping that even the loss of fellowship
- 16:22might yet lead them to repentance and return.
- 16:24So even here, restoration is still, in a way, the distant
- 16:28hope. The door is never permanently
- 16:30slammed shut by the church. If genuine repentance occurs, it
- 16:34reveals Jesus's care not just for the individual, but for the
- 16:37collective spiritual health and witness of his church.
- 16:40It's clear that Jesus provided A remarkably detailed and well
- 16:43loving framework for dealing with internal sin.
- 16:46It balances restoration and integrity.
- 16:49A difficult balance, but a necessary one.
- 16:51This structured approach prioritizes restoration but also
- 16:54draws clear lines when that restoration is consistently
- 16:57rejected. It preserves the distinctiveness
- 16:59of the community. But his vision for the church
- 17:02extends further, doesn't it? Oh yes, he also intended for his
- 17:05followers to publicly identify themselves and continually
- 17:09nourish their spiritual lives within this new community.
- 17:12What visible markers did he give them for this?
- 17:153 The ordinances marks of Jesus followers.
- 17:20So beyond addressing sin, Jesus instituted specific practices,
- 17:24visible things, things to mark his followers and strengthen his
- 17:27church. Hyper refers to these as
- 17:31ordinances. Why that specific word?
- 17:33It sounds quite formal, almost legalistic.
- 17:35Yeah, it can sound that way, but the term ordinances is used
- 17:38specifically to signify that Jesus ordained them.
- 17:41He ordained them meaning. Meaning he established the
- 17:43pattern of their observance. These are not human inventions
- 17:47or optional traditions. They're not things the Church
- 17:49Committee came up with later. OK.
- 17:50These are practices Jesus put in place before he left and
- 17:53commanded that we do it. Commanded.
- 17:55Commanded and these practices help in marking her the Church
- 17:59off from the world. The Word ordain highlights their
- 18:02divine origin and Christ's direct authority in establishing
- 18:05them. So they're fundamental, not
- 18:07optional extras. Exactly.
- 18:09They are commanded acts fundamental to how His people
- 18:13are to live and identify themselves as distinct from the
- 18:16world around them. They show us how we are to live
- 18:19as His followers. So he directly commanded these
- 18:22things. Let's dig into the The first one
- 18:24mentioned baptism. An outward mark of inward
- 18:27change. Right just before His departure
- 18:30into heaven, His ascension, Jesus gave the command in the
- 18:33Great Commission make disciples of all nations, baptizing them
- 18:37in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
- 18:40Matthew 28.18. Right there at the end, central
- 18:43to disciple making. Absolutely central.
- 18:45This is the explicit instruction for this ordinance, woven right
- 18:49into the fabric of that Commission.
- 18:50It's not a suggestion, not a minor custom.
- 18:52It's a command. It's a direct, universal
- 18:54directive to his followers that transcends culture and
- 18:57geography. Baptism is integral to the very
- 19:00process of becoming and making disciples of Jesus.
- 19:03It shows that discipleship involves a public act right
- 19:05away. From the outset.
- 19:07So what does this external act truly represent for a follower
- 19:10of Jesus? What's the core idea?
- 19:12Baptism is presented by Piper as the outward mark of the inward
- 19:17change that has happened to bring one under the Lordship of
- 19:20Jesus as a forgiven Sinner. Outward mark, inward change.
- 19:24That's the connection. It visually represents a
- 19:26spiritual renewal that has already taken place in the
- 19:29heart. It's a public declaration of a
- 19:31private reality. What reality?
- 19:33The reality that an individual has turned from unbelief to
- 19:36belief, from living under the dominion of sin to living under
- 19:39the reign of Christ, having received forgiveness through his
- 19:42work. Paper often connects it to
- 19:43Romans 6. Doesn't he union with Christ?
- 19:46He does, dying to the old self, rising to new life, identifying
- 19:50with Christ's death, burial and resurrection.
- 19:53So the ACT itself doesn't save. That's a key reform.
- 19:56Point crucial. It doesn't save, but it is the
- 19:59visible demonstration and in a sense.
- 20:01The seal of the salvation that has occurred in the heart.
- 20:03By God's grace, it's a public identification.
- 20:06So it's way more than just a ritual.
- 20:08It's a visible declaration of an internal reality, a spiritual
- 20:11bond. And Piper draws a connection to
- 20:13John the Baptist practice, too, right before Christian baptism
- 20:16was formally commanded. Yes, that's an interesting link.
- 20:19John the Baptist baptism served as a call to repentance in
- 20:23preparation for the coming of the Messiah.
- 20:25Preparing the way. Exactly.
- 20:27And it functioned to distinguish true believers from mere
- 20:30descendants of believers. Remember, he asserted, that God
- 20:34could raise up from Stone's children for Abraham if needed.
- 20:37Challenging the idea that heritage was enough.
- 20:40Right. John's baptism was a sign that
- 20:42true belonging to God's people wasn't about physical lineage,
- 20:46but about a transformed heart expressed through repentance.
- 20:50So when Jesus later chose the same sign.
- 20:52He was reinforcing that idea. True belief isn't about physical
- 20:56lineage or inherited status, but about a personal turning to him
- 21:00in faith. That's a crucial distinction,
- 21:02not inherited, but chosen faith. So how does Jesus's choice of
- 21:06baptism for his followers uniquely cement their commitment
- 21:09and identity? Well, Piper explains that Jesus
- 21:12chose this sign as the mark of his own followers in his
- 21:14absence. When people are converted from
- 21:17unbelief to belief, they are to be baptized to demonstrate in
- 21:21their obedience to this command that they are truly His.
- 21:23Obedience demonstrating reality. Yes, this act is part of
- 21:27becoming a disciple or a follower of Jesus.
- 21:31It's part of becoming his disciple and becoming a part of
- 21:33his church. So it's an initiation, right?
- 21:36In a sense. It functions as that, yes.
- 21:38When someone is baptized, they're publicly identifying
- 21:40with Jesus, His death, burial, resurrection, and aligning
- 21:43themselves with His community of followers.
- 21:46It signals a new allegiance, a new identity within the
- 21:48collective body of Christ people.
- 21:50It symbolizes their new life and inclusion in His covenant,
- 21:54community. B.
- 21:55The Lord's Supper, remembrance, covenant, and communion.
- 21:59OK, so baptism is the initial mark.
- 22:02The other ordinance Jesus provided is the Lord's Supper.
- 22:04This one seems packed with meaning.
- 22:06The central command given is do this in remembrance of me.
- 22:09So much in that phrase, and Piper emphasizes that this meal
- 22:13was instituted during Jesus's last Passover meal with his
- 22:16disciples. He quotes Luke 22.15.
- 22:19I've earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I
- 22:22suffer. The timing wasn't accidental.
- 22:24Not at all, Piper argues. It would be folly to think his
- 22:27Last Supper was only coincidentally A Passover meal,
- 22:30given that the Son of Man goes, as it is written of him.
- 22:32He was fulfilling prophecy. Intentionally linking his
- 22:36suffering and sacrifice to this ancient, highly significant
- 22:40Jewish festival of deliverance, the Passover marked God sparing
- 22:44the Jewish sons marked with the blood of a lamb, delivering them
- 22:48from bondage in Egypt. And Jesus becomes the Lamb.
- 22:50Precisely. He's referred to as our Passover
- 22:53Lamb in First Corinthians 5. The Lord's Supper, Piper says,
- 22:58is a sacred sign to the Passover sacrifice that I will perform
- 23:01tomorrow morning when I die for their sins.
- 23:03Wow, so it's looking back to Passover and forward to the
- 23:06cross simultaneously. Yes, a historical memorial and a
- 23:09prophetic foreshadowing combined.
- 23:12Jesus positions himself as the ultimate fulfillment of that
- 23:14ancient deliverance, securing a far greater spiritual freedom
- 23:18from sin. OK.
- 23:19Let's get to the elements themselves, the bread and the
- 23:21cup, Jesus said. This is my body, and this cup is
- 23:25the new covenant in my blood. How does Piper's work help us
- 23:28understand those statements? They've been the source of much
- 23:30debate. A huge amount of debate
- 23:32historically. Piper's very clear that these
- 23:35phrases should be understood representationally, not
- 23:37literally. Representational meaning
- 23:39symbolic. Meaning they signify something
- 23:41else, when Jesus said this is my body which is given for you.
- 23:46The bread represents his physical body that was offered
- 23:50up in death as a sacrifice for sin.
- 23:52It. Points to a sacrifice.
- 23:53It points to his brokenness, his suffering, his giving of
- 23:55himself. It's a tangible symbol pointing
- 23:58to the profound spiritual reality of his self giving love.
- 24:01And Piper gives analogies for this kind of language.
- 24:04He does. He highlights that in common
- 24:06language this is often means this represents or this
- 24:10signifies his example. If you hold up a photograph and
- 24:13say this is our house, no one thinks the paper turned into
- 24:16wood and bricks. Or his camel drawing example,
- 24:18right? If Jesus drew a camel in the
- 24:20same and said this is a camel, the drawing doesn't become a
- 24:24literal camel, it represents it. And Jesus used similar
- 24:27figurative language in his parables all the time, didn't
- 24:31he? All the time.
- 24:32Think of the parable of the soils.
- 24:33As for what was sewn on rocky ground, this is the one who
- 24:36hears the word. The ground represents a type of
- 24:39person. It's his common way of speaking.
- 24:41It is applying A strict literal interpretation to this is my
- 24:46body seems to ignore this consistent linguistic pattern
- 24:49Jesus himself used. OK.
- 24:51And the cup, this cup is the new covenant in my blood.
- 24:56How does that fit the representational understanding?
- 24:58Same principle applies. Piper argues that this cup is
- 25:02the new covenant. Clearly means this cup
- 25:05represents the new covenant that will be purchased and
- 25:08inaugurated by my blood shedding tomorrow morning.
- 25:10The cup isn't literally the covenant.
- 25:12Of course not. As Piper points out, if this is
- 25:15my body, we're literal, then logically this cup is.
- 25:18The new covenant would also have to be literal, which makes no
- 25:21sense. A covenant isn't a liquid in a
- 25:23cup. It's an agreement, a
- 25:24relationship. Exactly an agreement established
- 25:26by His sacrifice. So the cup serves as a vivid
- 25:29sign of this new agreement God is establishing with His people
- 25:32through Christ's shed blood, bringing forgiveness and a
- 25:35transformed heart. It powerfully brings the reality
- 25:37of His sacrifice to mind. Now there's also the discussion
- 25:40around John 6 where Jesus talks about eating his flesh and
- 25:43drinking his blood. That passage seems to complicate
- 25:46things for some. How does Piper address that in
- 25:49relation to the supper? Yes, John 6 is often brought
- 25:52into this discussion, sometimes used to argue for a literal
- 25:55presence or transformation, but Piper cautioned strongly against
- 25:58reading it that way in a physical sense.
- 26:00Regarding the suburb, he points directly to Jesus, his own
- 26:03clarification later in that same discourse, John 6 verse 63.
- 26:08It is the Spirit who gives life. The flesh is no help at all.
- 26:12The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
- 26:16Jesus interprets his own words there.
- 26:17He does. It's a crucial clarification.
- 26:19It signals that his earlier, very graphic statements about
- 26:23eating his flesh and drinking his blood are to be understood
- 26:26spiritually, not physically. So it's about spiritual
- 26:29communion, spiritual reliance. Yes, he's talking about
- 26:32believing in Him, trusting Him, finding life in him through
- 26:35faith, a spiritual feeding on Christ, not about physically
- 26:38consuming his body and blood for spiritual benefit.
- 26:41So the life is not mediated through flesh, but through the
- 26:46spirit. It's a vivid expression of
- 26:48spiritual feeding, not a physical one, through bread and
- 26:51wine. That's the conclusion Piper
- 26:53draws. It warns against taking this is
- 26:56my body and this is my blood in a way that suggests eternal life
- 27:00flows through physically eating and drinking, the elements that
- 27:04would contradict Jesus's own explanation in John 6.
- 27:07So the Lord's Supper isn't some kind of magical transfer.
- 27:11No. It's a means by which believers
- 27:13spiritually feed on Christ, remembering his sacrifice,
- 27:16receiving grace through faith as they partake.
- 27:19It's a sacred gathering where believers spiritually commune
- 27:21with the risen Christ, benefiting from his finished
- 27:24work. OK, ultimately then, what is the
- 27:26Lord's Supper meant to achieve for believers?
- 27:29What's its purpose? Viper explains it is to be
- 27:31celebrated as a commemoration of his death looking back and in
- 27:35anticipation of his coming again and the glory of his Kingdom
- 27:38looking. Forward.
- 27:39Yes, and presently it is a matchless act of communion with
- 27:42the risen Jesus, where he draws nearby his Spirit and his Word
- 27:46and makes himself known to us for our enjoyment.
- 27:48Enjoyment of Christ. Yes, it celebrates the most
- 27:50wonderful act of love in history, his sacrifice and the
- 27:54inauguration of the New Covenant, which secured
- 27:56forgiveness and a new heart. So it's incredibly rich.
- 28:00Remembrance, Anticipation, Communion, Covenant,
- 28:03celebration. All wrapped up in this simple
- 28:05meal, it's a moment of grateful remembrance, joyous communion
- 28:09with Christ and each other, and a powerful reaffirmation of our
- 28:13covenant relationship with God through Christ, meant to
- 28:16spiritually nourish and strengthen us for the collective
- 28:20calling being the church. So looking at church discipline,
- 28:24then baptism, and now the Lord's Supper, it really becomes clear
- 28:28that these aren't just like isolated commands or
- 28:30disconnected rituals, are they? Not at all.
- 28:32They're deeply interwoven. They're all tied together by a
- 28:34bigger, cohesive vision Jesus had for his followers.
- 28:38They paint a picture of what it means to be his people
- 28:40corporately in the world. Absolutely.
- 28:43And this brings us right back to that central idea of Jesus's
- 28:46intentional design for his church.
- 28:49Piper brings these threads together beautifully.
- 28:51He states that the command do this referring specifically to
- 28:54the Lord's Supper but applicable more broadly is a command that
- 28:58calls us today to be not just individual followers.
- 29:01Which is often the emphasis today, the individual
- 29:03relationship. It often is, but Piper stresses
- 29:05the corporate but a flock, a gathering, a community and a
- 29:09church. A church?
- 29:11The gathered body? Yes.
- 29:13These practices, discipline, baptism, the Supper, are not
- 29:16simply individual acts of obedience performed in
- 29:19isolation. There are communal expressions
- 29:21that define and shape the collective identity of Christ's
- 29:24followers. They make the church visible.
- 29:26They are the visible means by which the invisible reality of
- 29:29the Church as Christ's body is made manifest in the world.
- 29:33They're the ways in which his people are visibly marked off
- 29:36from the world, functioning as a distinct and holy community.
- 29:39It truly is a collective calling, then, a gathering
- 29:42created and sustained by His Kingdom, marked off from the
- 29:45world through these very practices He ordained.
- 29:48That's the picture. These commands are about his
- 29:50people living as his people together in a way that sets them
- 29:54apart and reflects his design. The church isn't just an
- 29:58optional add on to faith. Definitely not optional in his
- 30:00design. It's the very place where his
- 30:02commands are lived out collectively, where believers
- 30:05support each other in holiness, identify with him publicly, and
- 30:09are spiritually nourished together at his table outro.
- 30:13So as we conclude this deep dive, it's really quite clear,
- 30:15isn't it? Jesus provided everything his
- 30:18church needs to function as his collective body.
- 30:20He really did think of everything.
- 30:22From establishing specific steps for handling internal sin,
- 30:26prioritizing restoration, to instituting outward signs like
- 30:29baptism, showing inward change, and providing intimate communion
- 30:33through the Lord's Supper, His design for His people is
- 30:36comprehensive and wonderfully ordered.
- 30:39These aren't just suggestions. No, they are foundational
- 30:42instructions given by the head of the Church, Jesus himself, to
- 30:45ensure its health, its purity and its compelling witness in
- 30:48the world. So what does this all mean for
- 30:50you listening today? Consider the fact that Jesus,
- 30:54before He ascended, didn't just give a message.
- 30:57He gave very practical instructions for how his
- 30:59followers were to live together. Together.
- 31:01That's keep demonstrating his ongoing presence and sovereign
- 31:04rule even in his physical absence.
- 31:07Discipline, baptism, the Supper were so fundamental to his
- 31:10initial blueprint for his people.
- 31:12How might revisiting them, perhaps with a fresh
- 31:15understanding from this discussion, shape your
- 31:17participation in Christian community today?
- 31:20How might it foster greater alignment?
- 31:21With Jesus's original design for his church.
- 31:24That's a good question to ponder.
- 31:25It is. Thank you for joining.
- 31:27Us on the Deep Dive, we hope this discussion has offered you
- 31:29valuable insights and maybe a fresh perspective.
- 31:32Until next time.