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Episode #174: Top 10 Books That Shaped Joel Salatin’s Farming Philosophy · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_00: Welcome everyone to the Beyond Labels Podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Today your hosts, as usual, are I'm Joel Salatin and uh I'm the farmer, and Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough is our favorite researcher and um and knowledgeable about everything.
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SPEAKER_00: Our s our our our our our um our staff scientist, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So um we've been brainstorming numerous kind of uh interesting uh topics, and um uh I think this came in as a reader suggestion, uh wanting us to to give our our top 10 books.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, here we are, the two of us.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm a farmer, Cena's this this fantastic uh scientist researcher.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh we are interested in a lot of the similar things, and um it'll and and we have not shared this list with each other.
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SPEAKER_00: So it'll be interesting to know if any if we have any overlap in our lists.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so top 10 books.
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SPEAKER_00: What we're gonna do is ping pong this uh podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: We're gonna ping pong back and forth.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll do one, seeing one, I'll do one, single do.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh hopefully in about 30 minutes, we're gonna jump, we're gonna zip through these 20 total of 20 books, 10 of each of us, uh, by the time we get done with with uh uh with a name and a little bit of a reason why.
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SPEAKER_00: So um I'll start and then Cena, you do your first one and we'll go on through.
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SPEAKER_00: So my my top one, of course, um is the Bible.
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SPEAKER_00: That's my top one.
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SPEAKER_01: And um be my top one.
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SPEAKER_01: So, you know, uh we got one for we're both we got one in common so far.
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SPEAKER_00: One for one, then all right.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I mean that that provides my um my anchor for life, my hope for the future, and um and and rules for living.
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SPEAKER_00: So um that's my number one.
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SPEAKER_00: And and so Cena, um Cena, go on with your number one.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I'm gonna skip over that one since you already did it.
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SPEAKER_01: And okay, I love this book by Bob Goff called Everybody Always.
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SPEAKER_01: Have you heard of it?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, the the um subtitle is Becoming Love in a World Full of Setbacks and Difficult People.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_01: This is a great book.
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SPEAKER_01: So a little probably unknown secret about me is that I rarely, rarely read a book from cover to cover.
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SPEAKER_01: I rarely do.
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SPEAKER_01: I know everyone's always surprised.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm uh, you know, I'm a I'm a cultist on that.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and and and I I oh man, um, this is so fun.
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SPEAKER_00: Just uh because you know, people people that I respect a lot, and now you obviously, um, say that that if if you feel like you have to read cover to cover, you're um like like you're you're you're becoming a slave to this thing, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: It it it it and so you should, you know, you should be able to just you know look at a couple chapter titles and go on.
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SPEAKER_00: I can't.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, maybe it's because I'm an author myself.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you so you are you are too, but uh, I just have such a respect for for it that I when I when I start very seldom do I start a book and then not finish it.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I I I pretty much um e even if even if I get bogged down and don't like it very much, I still I just feel obligated.
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SPEAKER_00: I gotta I started to say out of respect to the author and his effort or her effort to to put this thing together, I just gotta read it or I'm disrespectful.
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SPEAKER_00: But you obviously are liberated from that.
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SPEAKER_00: So kudos to you.
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SPEAKER_01: I have free.
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SPEAKER_01: So what you're saying is I am freer than Joel Salatin.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: You sure are.
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SPEAKER_00: You sure are.
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SPEAKER_01: I am wait.
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SPEAKER_01: So you know what my thing is?
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SPEAKER_01: I get bored with the book.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I start reading through it.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, I get the gist, I get the gist.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, because a lot of the stuff is just repackaged, remarketed, same information.
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SPEAKER_01: So I just go through the books and I'm like, yep, I get it.
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SPEAKER_01: And I do skim through the, I'm like, oh, okay, let me look at the titles of the chapter, maybe you know, the first you know, few words of it.
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SPEAKER_01: Is that interesting to me?
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SPEAKER_01: And if not, I just move on because to the next one.
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SPEAKER_01: But having said that, this book, everybody always, I read every single page of it, and I was upset when it was done.
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SPEAKER_01: I wanted another one.
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SPEAKER_01: Like this is his second book.
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SPEAKER_01: I wanted a third one.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so one of the reason why I love this book so much is um it's it's he's a great storyteller.
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SPEAKER_01: So he's talking about um Jesus wanting us to become love and basically what he thinks that means.
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SPEAKER_01: So you're you're basically following in that litmus test every moment of every day.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And so it's like, and so he's using real world examples of so you for you to learn what that means to actually be love.
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SPEAKER_01: And so it did a couple things for me.
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SPEAKER_01: One is that it helped me realize number one, I want to be genuine, not perfect.
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SPEAKER_01: A lot of us strive for perfection, you know, because we don't feel good enough.
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SPEAKER_01: And I started to realize, wait, I don't want to be perfect, I actually want to be genuine.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I want people to remember me in the end as though I was this loving, caring, compassionate person.
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SPEAKER_01: Not that, oh, she was right all the time or she knew a lot of stuff, but know me by my character, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, the second thing that it helped me do was forgive.
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SPEAKER_01: And you know how critical we've talked about that a lot on the podcast, how critical that is for optimal health and for reversing any kind of disease.
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SPEAKER_01: And this book helped me to forgive even like my stepfather, you know, for the years of abuse.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And the third thing it did was this book actually helped lead to our partnership, Joel.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, because in it he talks about how Jesus wanted us to have a childlike faith, right?
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SPEAKER_01: So to not walk through life afraid of taking chances, don't be afraid to quote unquote fail.
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SPEAKER_01: And you know, you don't see it as failure.
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SPEAKER_01: And so um what I've underlined this.
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SPEAKER_01: It was interesting to go back through I read this a long time ago and to see what I underlined.
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SPEAKER_01: I underlined playing it safe and waiting for assurances in our lives isn't necessarily bad, it just isn't faith anymore.
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SPEAKER_01: And so remember that time when we first met, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And I gave that talk.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, because of this book, I said, you know what?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go for it.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna try to hopefully impress Joel.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I'm gonna ask him if he'll come on my YouTube channel, because I had just started a YouTube channel, and I was like, Oh, I would love to interview him on my channel.
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SPEAKER_01: So that was my that was gonna be my childlike faith.
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SPEAKER_01: Was asking you to if I could interview you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And then what came over me, that's why I say like the spirit just came over me.
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SPEAKER_01: And instead of just asking, can I interview you?
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, Hey, do you want to write a book?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And and immediately, without any hesitation, I just said yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's the um, yeah, that's great.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, what's a reciprocity?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so we had a reciprocation of childlike faith because you didn't know me either.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I I I knew I had just heard you speak, and that was enough for me right there.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, uh good.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, so so for me, book number two.
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SPEAKER_00: And and these are by the way, I don't have them.
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SPEAKER_00: Did you prioritize yours or just no, no particular order?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So mine are the same way, no particular order, just just uh my 10.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: So number two for me um is a book titled Vertical Diversification by uh D.
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SPEAKER_00: Howard Doane.
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SPEAKER_00: So he was the um he was like the Secretary of Agriculture in like 1930 or something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: And um, and when he retired and he was an older man, somebody asked him to compile his wisdom of all the things that he had done.
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SPEAKER_00: And he wrote this book, vertical diversification.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's what it is, it's it's about farmers diversifying away from just a one commodity thing and diversifying vertically, vertically above the commodity would be value adding, like making making corn flakes out of corn, okay?
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SPEAKER_00: And then he also taught diversifying below, which would be like making your own fertilizer, okay?
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SPEAKER_00: And and and and so it's just a uh a fascinating book and has been really uh critical in my you know my direct marketing, branding, you know, and business, business trying to diversify from just chickens and beef.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, what you know, can we make chicken soup?
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SPEAKER_00: Can we make make pot pies?
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SPEAKER_00: Can we make you know broth and and and all the different things?
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SPEAKER_00: So uh very powerful book.
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SPEAKER_00: And today now, of course, you know, it came out in like 1950.
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SPEAKER_00: A lot of mine are going to be really old ones.
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SPEAKER_00: Um this one, the cool thing about it, I mean, this came out in like 1950, and and he's got pictures and stories there of people who were shipping that the um um there there were there were very few food regulations.
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SPEAKER_00: So there were people home butchering chickens, canning chicken, and selling it by the box through U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: Postal Service into town.
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SPEAKER_00: Because it was it was too hard to get to town.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, cars were limited and the roads were bad.
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SPEAKER_00: And so even from you know, 20 miles away, uh, people had their their town customers, and they would send by postal service, they would send boxes of canned tomatoes and canned stuff into the city, into their urban customers.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, all that is illegal today.
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SPEAKER_00: So um, so it's it's a it's just a fabulous book of you know of real-time uh opportunity in farming uh from that day.
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SPEAKER_01: That's awesome, and it's it's amazing to see how things have changed, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: It sure is.
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SPEAKER_01: That's great.
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SPEAKER_01: So I I'll confidently say I do not have that book.
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SPEAKER_01: That's not on my list, but but it sounds great.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, all right.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, here's my second book.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm curious to see if you've read this one.
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SPEAKER_01: It's The Jefferson Lies by David Barton.
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SPEAKER_00: No, I I'm I'm familiar with it, but I don't have it.
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SPEAKER_00: No, I don't.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, familiar with David Barton?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so love David Barton.
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SPEAKER_01: This was okay, and the and the um the subtitle is Exposing the Myths You've Always Believed about Thomas Jefferson.
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SPEAKER_01: So this was um, I mean, so David Barton is is always you know captivating to me.
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SPEAKER_01: As you know, he has the largest private collection of the founding documents.
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SPEAKER_01: So I love going to the original source, and he cites things so well through his book.
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SPEAKER_01: So you don't have to take his word for it.
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SPEAKER_01: You go to the original source.
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SPEAKER_01: So what happened was um before I got into the politics of the food supply, um, I was basically listening to a lot of David Barton um and others, and I realized just how duped I was in the area of history, right?
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SPEAKER_01: I uh just growing up in the California school system, I mean, it's like some things were just completely flipped backwards, you know?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So I had this completely different perception of America and our founding fathers and everything.
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SPEAKER_01: So he helped me to basically lift that, you know, veil of dupedness, if that's a word.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_01: And and realized that wait a minute, like I've been duped in this area.
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SPEAKER_01: What other areas may I have been duped in, you know?
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SPEAKER_01: And I don't like to live in lies.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm always looking for truth.
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SPEAKER_01: So so what happened was I was so fascinated by this.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm literally sitting in Costco with my husband one day, because we used to go there and get like the pizza, you know, from Costco on his lunch break, right?
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SPEAKER_01: This tells you how far I've come, Joel.
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SPEAKER_01: Wow, and um and and I was like, you know, I just had my son, my first son, and I was like, I really want to write a book about something because I've always wanted to be a writer.
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SPEAKER_01: And he goes, Well, you know, they say you should write what you know about.
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SPEAKER_01: What do you so what do you know and what do you like?
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SPEAKER_01: And I said, Well, I'm really interested in this political stuff now, and I really know food.
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SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Well, then why don't you write about the politics of the food supply?
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SPEAKER_01: And my response was, there's no politics in food.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh me.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, who won't even eat vegetables goes, Are you kidding me?
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SPEAKER_01: Where have you been?
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, no.
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SPEAKER_01: So he goes, just go look it up.
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SPEAKER_01: So I started to research recombinant bovine growth hormone from reading that label on the back of our milk carton.
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SPEAKER_01: That turned into a 110-page uh written word document of everything that I had exposed in RBGH, which then dwindled down into one chapter in, you know, in my first book.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: The cool thing about where it comes full circle with this book of Thomas Jefferson Lies is that right after I finished writing the book and I was gonna launch it, and you know, I didn't know anybody.
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SPEAKER_01: So um I helped to co-host an event in Virginia where David Barton was our keynote speaker.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
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SPEAKER_01: And I had just published that book, and they let me have a booth and they let me take the stage right before David Barton came on.
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SPEAKER_01: I got to take the stage and I got to tell what my book was about, and then I got to introduce him.
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SPEAKER_01: So I actually got to sit sit backstage with him and have a conversation about like, you know, just everything.
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SPEAKER_01: And and he was attacked a lot.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I would ask him, like, how do you keep moving forward?
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SPEAKER_01: Because he gets death threats and things.
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SPEAKER_01: And he just he it was a great conversation where he was talking about how you have to realize it's not about you, none of this is about you.
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SPEAKER_01: This is about being a messenger for for God and what God has told you to do.
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SPEAKER_01: And as long as you stay the course, you can look at yourself in the mirror every night and sleep peacefully, and that's what I do.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was like, wow, so full circle there that I got to he opened my eyes um along with some others to corruption, and then I got to launch my book right there with him in the room.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow, that is very cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh good, great, great story.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, well, we're gonna we're gonna have to pick up the pace here.
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SPEAKER_00: We're never gonna get done.
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SPEAKER_00: So, so uh my next book for me is um Stephen Covey's Seven Habits of Highly Effective People.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, that book from a from a self-improvement standpoint, everybody's got to read that book, Seven Habits of Highly Effective People.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I read that thing and just um I just can't say enough of the good.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, probably one of the best, I mean, just those things just resonate.
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SPEAKER_00: Sharpen the saw, uh, emotional equity, fill your, fill your uh gas tank with other your emotional equity gas tank with other people, uh, stay within your sphere of influence.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, those are just such powerful, powerful things.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh I I am really a fan of seven habits of highly effective people.
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SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so now we're on lightning rounds.
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SPEAKER_01: So my next book is World Without Cancer by Edward Griffin.
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SPEAKER_01: Have you heard of it?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this book was great for me because it did uncover more of I'm gonna say the corruption and just how the government and industry operate together, like in kind of in like lockstep and how how important it is for them to suppress natural remedies.
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SPEAKER_01: And it also was affirming that it's another example of how you can reverse chronic conditions in like cancer.
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SPEAKER_01: So this was a really um in my big in my early studies, this was a really eye-opening and affirming book for me to read.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he also wrote uh The Creature from Jekyll Island.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh read read the creature from Jekyll Island.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Donnie loved that book.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Griffin Griffin is great.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, next one for me.
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SPEAKER_00: The unsettling of America by Wendell Berry.
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SPEAKER_00: The Unsettling of America by Wendell Berry.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, Barry is just um he he's considered the you know the the catalyst of the of the modern sustainable ag movement.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, he's one of these guys that that you know, when I grow up, I want to be able to write like Wendell Berry.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, he's he's he is a poet.
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SPEAKER_00: He's he's just an amazing guy.
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SPEAKER_00: I've been able to have the privilege of being able to be with him in his home.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, we've done things, and um he's he's just an icon.
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SPEAKER_00: He is a treasure, uh, American treasure.
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SPEAKER_00: He's getting he's getting pretty elderly now.
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SPEAKER_00: And um, I mean the guy's written what six sixty books.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh he writes every single morning in a tree house above a river.
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SPEAKER_00: So he goes to this tree house that's all glassed around uh and writes every morning for three or four hours with a number two pencil in a spiral notebook.
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SPEAKER_00: He won't use an ink pen.
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SPEAKER_00: He won't use a typewriter.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, the guy is a total iconoclast, but what he has cranked out and the depth of his thinking is just um uh it's it's just unbelievable.
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SPEAKER_00: And so, and so of all the Barry books that I've read, the unsettling of America, I think, captures the the deep heart of our love of the land, love of community, uh more than any other book that I've ever seen.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh man, that makes me want to read it.
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SPEAKER_01: And that sounds heavenly to write from a tree house.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I may have to build a tree house now just for myself.
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SPEAKER_01: Forget the kids.
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SPEAKER_01: I need my own little tree house to write from.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, then you need a river.
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SPEAKER_00: Then you need a river.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, a pond will do.
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SPEAKER_00: A pond will do, you know, a tree at the side of the pond.
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SPEAKER_00: That'll work.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Just turn the hose on.
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SPEAKER_01: Here we go.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, I love it.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so my next book is The Big Fat Surprise.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, and this the t the subtitle is Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet.
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SPEAKER_01: Um the reason why I really love this book is because I really admire the author, Nina, for the job that she did in this book.
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SPEAKER_01: It's so well referenced, it's solid, and the depth of her investigation is like unmatched.
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SPEAKER_01: It it was quite remarkable.
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SPEAKER_01: It really does make the case of why we need to get these vegetable oils out of our diet and return to an ancestral way of eating.
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SPEAKER_01: But she also uncovers like if somebody, you know, we still in on a lot of levels tend to um put science on a pedestal in in some ways.
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SPEAKER_01: It has fallen some, but we still put it on the pedestal, we still follow its its rules in um in like the medical industry and whatnot.
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SPEAKER_01: And we've talked about that.
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SPEAKER_01: She goes through and and basically discredits the studies that were used to promote the vegetable oils, which we've talked about those on the on the program here, but she takes you step by step through it and the process and what happened and the the corruption and the collusion that happened.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think she did a fabulous job of it.
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SPEAKER_01: Anybody who's still afraid of fat, that's a great, great book to read.
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SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
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SPEAKER_00: That's great.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, those are good.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, my next one.
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SPEAKER_00: My next one.
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SPEAKER_00: This is another classic in our genre, Grass Productivity by Andre Voisin, uh the Frenchman.
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SPEAKER_00: Again, this is another 1950s book.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, Grass Productivity.
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SPEAKER_00: It is still considered the Bible of pasture-based livestock.
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SPEAKER_00: All the books, including mine, that have been written about pasture-based livestock, this is the granddaddy.
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SPEAKER_00: In fact, uh Alan Savory of Holistic Management attributes this as his breakthrough book mentally to understand, you know, to be his, you know, kind of catalyst for where he ended up going in his life.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
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SPEAKER_00: And and so grass productivity by Boise and I mean this guy, you talk about scientists, uh, Cena, this guy was a true, a true scientist.
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SPEAKER_00: He had no agenda, zero agenda.
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SPEAKER_00: He actually would send his students out to sit in a field and and and tick and and put ticks on how many, uh in other words, um, today you're supposed to watch cow cow number five.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: You're assigned to cow number five, and I want to know how many times her jaw, how many times she chews in an hour.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: And then he'd send another student to watch cow number 10, how many times her jaw, and then he would measure their milk production to find out and realize that the amount of jaw chomps per hour had a direct effect on their milk production.
21:57
SPEAKER_00: So they're lazy cows and there are.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Aggressive cows.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I mean, that's just one of hundreds of real life experiments that he did over his lifetime and captured in this wonderful book uh from the 1950s, Grass Productivity.
22:16
SPEAKER_01: That's incredible.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: Wow, I, you know, that one, when you first saw the title, I was like, eh.
22:22
SPEAKER_01: But but as you described it, I'm like, that's a fascinating book.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it really is.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: And and and um dad actually got it, and our copy has literally broken in half.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: It's fallen apart.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: We've we used it so much.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and it it was it was um, I think it was the the book that sent him in the early 1960s down this path of you know of of moving the cows all the time.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: So inspiring.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, all right, I'll put that one on my list.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: Okay, my next one is uh The Magic by Rhonda Byrne.
23:03
SPEAKER_01: She did the secret.
23:05
SPEAKER_01: And um, there's actually if people like are uncomfortable with this version, there's actually um like Christian-based versions of doing the magic.
23:18
SPEAKER_01: So it is a 28-day gratitude practice.
23:24
SPEAKER_01: So you've commit yourself to 28 days to bringing more gratitude in your life, and there's um like a little task for you to do each day.
23:34
SPEAKER_01: It's super manageable because it's short, you know.
23:37
SPEAKER_01: Um, so for instance, on the I think it's the first day, I've done this book now three times because it has been so impactful for me.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: But like on the first day, you write down 10 things you're grateful for and why.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: Like you have to say the why.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: And then from then on, every morning that becomes part of your routine.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: You must write down 10 different things, by the way, different things each day and why.
24:02
SPEAKER_01: And then each day you you do that and you add on another gratitude activity each day.
24:07
SPEAKER_01: And I tell you, Joel, when I do this, everybody in my household knows that I'm doing this book because I become an even more joyful person who's like calmer and more grounded.
24:21
SPEAKER_01: I'm just patient, more patient, I'm more loving just from doing this practice, you know, even if you just did the 10 things a day and why and do new things.
24:30
SPEAKER_01: So um, one thing I thought was pretty cool is I wrote in the book my goals like for that year, because you are to um this.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: So this helped this book helped me hone my skills on how to manifest or create my own reality, you know.
24:47
SPEAKER_01: And it's the same thing like Dispensa does, right?
24:50
SPEAKER_01: You have to visualize what you want.
24:51
SPEAKER_01: We talk about this in our book.
24:52
SPEAKER_01: So you go through and you visualize things and you practice gratitude for them as though they've already happened.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: So some of my things in the past were um, I want to build my dream home.
25:03
SPEAKER_01: And that was my dream home was I was gonna build our own home on untouched land, and it would have a vault vaulted ceilings and a wide open great room, a huge kitchen with like six figh burners, a double oven.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: There'd be sunlight coming in all around, there'd be a fire pit outside, a garden just off the kitchen.
25:24
SPEAKER_01: So you're supposed to be very specific.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: Okay, all of those things I've now manifested, like just with building this homestead.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: But some of my other things that I manifested were or brought into reality.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: I know some people don't like that word, manifested, but it's basically just creating your own reality.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: So some things that I worked with God to create are um no pain.
25:45
SPEAKER_01: So I go back here, like 2016 and stuff when I was sick, and I used this to help me.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to have no pain, uh, you know, stand to do the dishes.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to have to increase my muscle mass.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to be able to hike for two hours without having any pain.
26:01
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to be able to mountain bike again just for fun.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to be able to give birth to a baby girl, which and I mean all those things I've done, you know.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: So it's setting the attention and practicing the gratitude, elevates your emotional level, like Dispenza talks about.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: And then you can actually um create it.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: You create that.
26:24
SPEAKER_01: So I did that in partnership with God, but this is a book that I use routinely.
26:29
SPEAKER_01: Um if I don't like something in my life, then I change it.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: And using these practices is one way that I've learned how to change things effectively and relatively quickly.
26:41
SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's powerful.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: That's that's really that's really good.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, when you think about how much people in society seems to just seem to just kind of float.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: They just kind of float, you know, it it is what it is, and I am where I am, and I'm whatever.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh I I can't move or leave or change, and I just float.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: And um, all of this, both of us obviously like this this self-improvement, self-help stuff.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: I mean, some of it's woo-woo, some of it's weird, but I'll tell you, you know, just putting attention on on changing yourself, you know, improving yourself is is uh is a is a powerful thing.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: Good.
27:22
SPEAKER_00: All right, my next one.
27:23
SPEAKER_00: Um I I see you know you're you're picking yours up.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: I I didn't pick all mine off the shelf.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: I was afraid I wouldn't be able to put them all back in the right spot.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: This one here, you just weren't prepared, Joel.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: No, I wasn't prepared.
27:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, so so so this one's mine.
27:37
SPEAKER_00: Uh the next one is the complete book of composting by the Rodale staff.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: I want you to see how thick this is.
27:44
SPEAKER_00: This thing is, look how thick that is.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: And it is this book, this book philosoph made me philosophically who I am in in farming.
27:57
SPEAKER_00: And um, and I I read this book.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: All right, no one see how thick it is.
28:03
SPEAKER_00: I read it from cover to cover.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: Um my my second year back on the farm, I had a bunch of time that fall uh where I wasn't busy, and I I read that book cover to cover, and it just it changed everything.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: And what's especially neat about it is that in the cover, it's uh it was my dad's book.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: There's his signature uh in that book.
28:35
SPEAKER_00: And um, so he he got this book and took it, took it to Venezuela when you know when we went when he went to Venezuela and began farming.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: And um that's uh that that that's the real book.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: That's all I can say about it.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: That is incredible.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
28:55
SPEAKER_01: Someday you'll have to walk us through the philosophies that you learned from that book.
29:00
SPEAKER_01: That would be fascinating.
29:02
SPEAKER_01: Fascinating.
29:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay, next on my list is of course regenerate from Sayer G.
29:09
SPEAKER_01: It says unlocking your body's radical resilience through the new biology.
29:13
SPEAKER_01: So um I will say this was not new information for me.
29:18
SPEAKER_01: You know, this was because I study this stuff as well.
29:21
SPEAKER_01: But for anyone who doesn't avidly study these things, it it was he laid this out so well and there's such great research behind it that by the time you get done reading this book, you will be convinced that the body is resilient and that it can heal from anything.
29:40
SPEAKER_01: He's done such a great job in making the argument for that.
29:43
SPEAKER_01: So for me, I love that book because it's sending a message of hope to everybody that you don't have to settle for a diagnosis, right?
29:56
SPEAKER_01: You can heal yourself, and that is how God designed us.
30:01
SPEAKER_01: And he made he laid it all out and made the excellent case.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: He also gives um in it, he you know, he also gives like his own prescription and and advice and things like that.
30:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, so he gives like tips that you can implement in your daily life, but but it's it's a great summary of where the scientific literature is at this point, and and it's what mainstream is not telling you that you can heal the body.
30:28
SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
30:29
SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's great.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: And we've had him, we've had him here at our Two Days of Truth uh summit, which we're going to um we're gonna have again in 2026.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: Just a little plug there for people thinking about.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: All right.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: My next one, my next one is another uh classic uh in our in in my genre, an Acres USA Primer by CJ Finzao and Charlie Walters.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: So Charlie Walters was the founder and editor of Acres USA magazine, which was the that was the mouthpiece of non-chemical agriculture for many, many, many years and and still operating.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but an Acres USA Primer, um, I read that the same fall I read the complete book of composting.
31:12
SPEAKER_00: I read both those books cover to cover that year.
31:15
SPEAKER_00: And I would just say that that that just um established that that was my that was the footer, the concrete footer on everything that I've built since.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: And um and and it it um an acreage primer is a little bit harder to digest than the complete book of composting because it's got a fair amount of chemistry and and and stuff in it, you know, soil chemistry and things.
31:40
SPEAKER_00: But but the um, I mean, it it's the one, for example, just to give you one tidbit, uh, that synthetic ammonia, so nitrogen, you know, is is ammonium.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: Um synthetic, synthetic nitrogen, you know, urea.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: So urea comes out the back end of a cow.
31:58
SPEAKER_00: You can also make urea, you know, uh from petroleum in a in a laboratory.
32:04
SPEAKER_00: The urea and and the science, you know, the the USCA mainline, they say, well, urea is urea, you know, it's it's it's ammonia, it's nitrogen, it's just all the same thing.
32:15
SPEAKER_00: Actually, there's one neutron difference between the urea that comes out of the back end of the cow and the urea made in a laboratory.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: It looks the same, acts the same, smells the same.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: Actually, nobody, nobody, you you cannot actually detect the difference.
32:35
SPEAKER_00: But there's one neutron difference.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: The question is, how important is that?
32:43
SPEAKER_00: And he dares to, he dares to ask the question.
32:48
SPEAKER_00: The biological urea has one neutron more than the artificial urea.
32:55
SPEAKER_00: In our limited understanding, even with our scientific apparatus, we can't tell them apart.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: But chances are the mitochondria, the thousand mitochondria in a cell can probably tell them apart.
33:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: And it just it just blows your mind.
33:12
SPEAKER_00: The uh, and this is an old book.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was written in the 1970s.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh wow.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: But but it just it just blows your mind with with what we what we know, what we know and don't understand.
33:26
SPEAKER_00: And so it it it it it more than any other book has just given me a great reverence and humility as I'm approaching soil, nature, all these things.
33:36
SPEAKER_00: Just man, you know, take it easy.
33:40
SPEAKER_00: You know, don't go rushing in there.
33:42
SPEAKER_00: That's that's sacred, that's sacred stuff.
33:45
SPEAKER_00: And um, and and and yeah, it's been powerful.
33:51
SPEAKER_01: I love that, especially since it was from the 70s.
33:53
SPEAKER_01: Like it's like he was before his time.
33:56
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I mean, I love things like that too, because it gives you a great appreciation for God's design and for how nature works, and maybe a little sense of humility that you know, like you said, we need to be careful with what we're doing and follow God's lead instead of trying to become God and change things.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: Right.
34:15
SPEAKER_01: So I love that.
34:17
SPEAKER_01: Okay, my next book is Essential Oils Ancient Medicine by its three authors, Dr.
34:24
SPEAKER_01: Josh Axe, Ty Bollinger, and Jordan Rubin.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: Now, the reason I love this one is because it's not only practical, they give you um and it's beautiful too.
34:38
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you can see it, but like it will say like orange, and then it tells you um the essential oil, like where it comes from.
34:46
SPEAKER_01: It tells you studies that scientific studies that back the benefits of it, its key benefits, safety, the therapeutic compounds, and then how to use it.
34:57
SPEAKER_01: And in the back of the book, there's um all these recipes for like breakfast, lunch, and dinner and general health, um, on how to incorporate essential oils into your life.
35:12
SPEAKER_01: And what's really cool about this book, Joel, that I've never seen before, is that they approach the essential oils from a biblical perspective.
35:19
SPEAKER_01: So in the introduction, it's titled Healing with Biblical Medicine.
35:25
SPEAKER_01: They go back through and talk about um where there are accounts of essential oils in the Bible.
35:32
SPEAKER_01: And um, they even talk about so, like, see, chapter one, it's titled From the Third Day to the Modern World.
35:41
SPEAKER_01: So it's all of this biblical reference, you know, they throughout this whole thing.
35:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, as you and then here's another one essential oils, biblical roots.
35:53
SPEAKER_01: Um, and I mean, as you know, the wise men brought frankincense and myrrh to Jesus, right?
35:58
SPEAKER_01: And that's why I always tell my kids like when they get a boo-boo, I'm like, let me put some frankincense on it.
36:02
SPEAKER_01: And if they if they're over like, oh no, and I'm like, well, if it was good enough for Jesus, it's good for you.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, yeah.
36:11
SPEAKER_01: But what I love about it is because it they take the science behind it, like they said, they basically tell you where it comes from in the Bible, and then they substantiate it with science.
36:21
SPEAKER_01: So they're merging these two worlds together, which you leave realizing if you hadn't already, that all of this stuff is already laid out for us in the Bible, right?
36:33
SPEAKER_01: The medicine, the recipe for it, it's all it's in the Bible already, and science is just catching up.
36:38
SPEAKER_00: So I love that.
36:40
SPEAKER_01: I love the perspective they brought to the subject.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: That's great.
36:43
SPEAKER_00: For those, you know, um uh Ty Bollinger, he he wrote uh a book about cancer, uh cancer cures, and James Rubin was the founder of the maker's diet.
36:54
SPEAKER_00: For those of you who are trying to, you know, connect these, connect these dots, some uh connect those dots.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: All right, my next book Land, Livestock, and Life.
37:05
SPEAKER_00: This was the last book that Alan Nation wrote.
37:08
SPEAKER_00: I've got all of his here on the shelf.
37:11
SPEAKER_00: Um, and and this one, of course, is autographed by him.
37:16
SPEAKER_00: Hello to Joel.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: You're the best story in the world of grass farming.
37:21
SPEAKER_00: Keep it up, Alan.
37:22
SPEAKER_00: Of course, he's passing now.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: He's been gone now for about seven years.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: That's why I'm editor of the Stockman Grass Farmer, which he founded.
37:29
SPEAKER_00: And next to my dad, he was by far and away my my greatest mentor.
37:34
SPEAKER_00: But uh the subtitle here is A Grazier's Guide to Finance.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: And um, and when you were asking about you know the 10 most important books, I had I had to at least get just one from Alan Nation.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: He, I mean, he is he has been um uh his work and his life and his uh books have been absolutely um you know foundational for the way I think, the what we do uh today.
37:58
SPEAKER_00: I miss him uh not as much as dad, but I miss him almost as much as dad every day.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: He he to he truly became a dad to me after after my dad died so uh so early.
38:08
SPEAKER_00: And um, and uh I'll I'll never uh yeah, Allen is a pretty special place.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's so sweet.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you'll have to pass that one down to Daniel.
38:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh he'll get them all.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: All to all 2000 some.
38:31
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
38:32
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
38:33
SPEAKER_01: No, it's true.
38:34
SPEAKER_01: Like that, the Jefferson Lies book, since I got to meet David Barton, I had him sign a copy for each of my children, you know.
38:42
SPEAKER_01: But okay, my next book is uh You Can Heal Your Life by Louise Hay.
38:50
SPEAKER_01: And there's a workbook that you can pair with it called Love Yourself, Heal Your Life workbook.
38:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, which I just have to say it is not surprising that like the vast majority of your books are about farming and the vast majority of mine are about health.
39:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
39:06
SPEAKER_00: No, that that that's odd that's that's fantastic.
39:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: That's exactly what we expected.
39:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it and it makes for a great podcast.
39:14
SPEAKER_01: It's well rounded, right?
39:15
SPEAKER_01: From from the from the soil to the disease state.
39:21
SPEAKER_01: So, okay.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: I love this book because um she so Louise Hay was on my bucket list of people to meet.
39:31
SPEAKER_01: She's a cancer survivor, you know, she got a cancer diagnosis, I believe it was in the 70s, and basically the same old thing that, you know, we can't fix it.
39:40
SPEAKER_01: And she ended up healing herself from cancer.
39:44
SPEAKER_01: And she did make some changes in her diet, which went back to just eating whole foods, you know, exercise.
39:50
SPEAKER_01: But the big thing she said she changed was her perception in life.
39:54
SPEAKER_01: She learned to love herself.
39:56
SPEAKER_01: And when you love yourself, it it actually opens the avenue for you being like exuding the fruits of the spirit, for instance.
40:03
SPEAKER_01: And when you're in that state, disease cannot exist.
40:06
SPEAKER_01: So she healed herself largely through learning to love herself.
40:10
SPEAKER_01: So in this book, you know, I can't meet her now because she did pass away in her 90s, but this book walks you through a session with her, is pretty much what it is.
40:22
SPEAKER_01: It says a session with Louise.
40:24
SPEAKER_01: So she walks you through how she would um interact with somebody to help them learn to love themselves.
40:32
SPEAKER_01: And it's it's a step-by-step process.
40:34
SPEAKER_01: The workbook takes you into more detail, which I haven't done it yet, but I would, you know, it's on my list.
40:40
SPEAKER_01: And um, at the very back of this book, I use this a lot.
40:45
SPEAKER_01: Well, I used to use this a lot when I was trying to help people or myself associate a physical symptom with an emotional root cause.
40:55
SPEAKER_01: She has a whole list in the back here in the appendix of this is based on working with thousands of people in her own insights.
41:06
SPEAKER_01: She has the health issue listed with a probable emotional root cause.
41:11
SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't mean it's every time this is what it is, but it's the most commonly seen in her practice.
41:18
SPEAKER_01: And then she gives you the new thought pattern.
41:20
SPEAKER_01: So I've used this a lot, and it's been very helpful in trying to help other people identify what the root causes behind their individual symptoms.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's good.
41:34
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
41:35
SPEAKER_00: All right, yeah, we're we're definitely developing a theme here.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're definitely heading down the health spec, and I'm I'm doing so.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: My next one is gonna be the right, right on on the same target.
41:46
SPEAKER_00: Uh I've got so I mean it was it was was it hard for you to make this list?
41:50
SPEAKER_01: It was very difficult.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: Like we should very difficult.
41:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe every six months or something we should make another podcast on our favorite books at that time.
42:00
SPEAKER_00: So this is another classic.
42:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, the permaculture designers manual.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh, this is a massive work.
42:07
SPEAKER_00: You can see how big it is.
42:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, I have not read this cover to cover, I admit.
42:13
SPEAKER_00: But it is, it is if you want to know permaculture, um, this is by Bill Mollison and Dave Holmgren.
42:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, but he he you know developed developed the system of permaculture.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: This is an expensive book now.
42:29
SPEAKER_00: You it's still in print.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: I think it's about$150 now a copy, but it it is still the it's the granddaddy, it's the foundation and granddaddy of all permaculture thinking, uh, which you know much of what we do on our farm is, you know, when I go up, I took a I took a couple up to a little uh they wanted to see some things.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: So I took them up to one of our ponds, told them why we we pull the water off at 16 inches under the pond surface.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: We have a floaty on top and a little a little weight on the bottom, so it keeps the the filter at 16 inches under the pond surface.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: That's the best water in a pond.
43:05
SPEAKER_00: If you pull it off the top, you get fly legs and twigs.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: If you pull it off the bottom, it's kind of funky.
43:10
SPEAKER_00: And the guy said, Where did you learn it?
43:13
SPEAKER_00: That's in the designer's manual.
43:15
SPEAKER_00: That's the kind of stuff that's in here.
43:18
SPEAKER_00: And so I told him, I said, believe me, uh I've never invented or created anything from scratch.
43:23
SPEAKER_00: I just, I just, you know, steal other people's ideas and apply them.
43:27
SPEAKER_00: And so uh this has been this has been absolutely um you know critical to the way we have built ponds and designed things here um, you know, on our farm.
43:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that's I mean, there's rarely anything that's an original thought, right?
43:40
SPEAKER_01: A lot of it's just rebranding and marketing it.
43:43
SPEAKER_01: And you just have a great way to market things as well, you know, like you just these words and phrases that you come up with, they're memorable.
43:51
SPEAKER_01: And you're just a lovable personality.
43:54
SPEAKER_01: So it works in your favor.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: Okay, my my last book.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: Is called um Ancient Remedies.
44:03
SPEAKER_01: Again, another one by Dr.
44:04
SPEAKER_01: Josh Axe.
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SPEAKER_01: And um it's it's secrets to healing, uh, you know, with herbs, essential oils, um, and basically natural medicine.
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SPEAKER_01: And the what one thing I liked about it is that like it wasn't all this you know great epiphany for me, but he does walk you through um medicines that were used, you know, by ancients and how they use them so that they didn't they weren't treating the symptoms.
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SPEAKER_01: He walks you through how they were actually trying to figure out your story, you know, and and figure out on the emotional and the spiritual level what imbalances you know you you may have.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and so he goes through that, how they do it, how it's different than what we did today, how the ancients used to eat, you know, if they consumed um medicinals in their daily, like in their daily meals.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and then he he does talk about uh different spices and herbs and mushrooms that he thinks are important.
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SPEAKER_01: And he has this thing at the toward the end called ancient prescriptions, where he walks you through like what would you do for adrenal fatigue?
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SPEAKER_01: What would you do for allergies?
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SPEAKER_01: So so he does tie in and give you recommendations, you know, but there's other great things um in this book, and he does provide prescriptions for somebody who is looking for um a natural alternative.
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SPEAKER_00: Alanation used to say, um, all you need is a is one$100 idea in a book, and you well paid for the book.
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SPEAKER_00: And there are very few books that don't have at least one$100 idea in them.
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SPEAKER_00: So my last one, my last one is um How to Win Friends and Influence People.
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SPEAKER_00: Carnegie.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh that is that again, that is a classic, how to win friends and influence people.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh I read that thing cover to cover.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a pretty thick book, too.
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SPEAKER_00: But I mean, so many stories and uh and and how this guy, you know, worked with people, built bridges, uh, was able to wiggle his way into you know the hearts and minds of you know clients and and patrons and and uh all the things that he did.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just I just think it's a it's a classic that everybody needs to read, how to win friends and influence people.
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SPEAKER_00: So there we are.
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SPEAKER_00: Um there's our list.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow, what a deal.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so uh yeah, lots of good stuff out there.
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SPEAKER_00: And obviously, you know, you can see behind me, I'm a I'm a bookworm.
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SPEAKER_00: I know you are a bookworm too.
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SPEAKER_00: And um that and and and good ones still keep coming out.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh good ones that that that build on that build on shoulders of the past.
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SPEAKER_00: And um, and it it's it's few things are as fun as sitting down with a good book and a a pen that you can mark it up with and um and go through a good book.
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SPEAKER_00: So the question for the week, question for the week is what's been your most influential book?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's just an obvious question after we've just uh done our our ten most for us is uh is what's what's your most and and and the Bible doesn't count in this, okay?
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SPEAKER_00: We'll leave that one off the table.
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SPEAKER_00: But other than the Bible, what's your what's your um uh most influential book that you've had in your life?
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SPEAKER_00: Share it with us.
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SPEAKER_00: That I think we can all learn something and and you can even put a little you know sentence or two as to as to why that'll that'll be good walk us through it.
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SPEAKER_01: And maybe we should say not just the Bible doesn't count, but Joel's books don't count.
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SPEAKER_00: Like yeah, that's good.
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SPEAKER_01: That was a given on my list, all of Joel's books.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, right, but no, I mean Joel's books are great and obviously very informative and influential and inspiring, but let's branch out and show us some new books, and so maybe we can read some too and chime in.
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SPEAKER_01: We can have like our own little Beyond Labels book club.
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SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: Good.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, everybody.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks for indulging us this little um walk through memory lane and and uh and in and inspirational lane.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, I know we all have uh great books.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks for sharing uh this little sachet with uh Cena and I uh on this Beyond Labels podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: And we look forward to visiting with you again next week on Beyond Labels.