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Regenerative Revolution: How Stem Cells Are Changing Healthcare | Ep 92 · The Driven Athlete

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  Speaker 1: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what this podcast is for you.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Y'all?
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  Speaker 1: It's your man, dr Kyle.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a cool guest with us, dr Christian Wilson.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on, guys, dr Chris, from Palm Beach Stem Cell in North Palm Beach?
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  Speaker 1: I know y'all are busy, so I appreciate you coming in Absolutely, but tell everybody where you're all at and what y'all do.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: Dr Kyle for having me on.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, we're at Palm Beach Stem Cell.
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  Speaker 2: We're in North Palm Beach, florida, not too far away from here, about 20 minutes-ish from your office.
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  Speaker 2: So, nice little it's not too bad, nice little.
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  Speaker 2: Nice little, it's not too bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, a little easy trip.
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  Speaker 2: Um no, uh, dr Kyle and I.
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  Speaker 2: I reached back.
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  Speaker 2: I reached out to him um I don't know a couple of months back, yeah and um, just cause.
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  Speaker 2: So my background is in chiropractic, um, I practiced for a little bit and then got into the regenerative aspect side of things, um, and never looked back.
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  Speaker 2: Um, so Dr Kyle would, he practices how I would have practiced as a chiropractor.
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  Speaker 2: He's very movement based, structural form based, um, um, kinetic, kinetic chain, based your very fundamental skills, um, the body can't heal without movement and strength.
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  Speaker 2: So him and I have the same same mindset on everything.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why we, we work well and it started to be now we're a collaboration, so everything's going to go in the right direction.
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  Speaker 2: But, yeah, we do everything Stem cell therapy, prp therapy, iv therapy, which I heard you guys had an IV today, so that's cool, nice.
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  Speaker 2: Then peptides, hr, hormone replacement therapy, um, some cosmetic aesthetics, if someone wants, um, uh, I don't even know if the list goes on Um, like I said, a plethora, comprehensive, yep, yep, um.
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  Speaker 2: Long-term goal for us is to start get x-ray and MRI in house, so it's kind of like a five.
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  Speaker 2: That would be huge, yeah, so I think that'd be.
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  Speaker 2: That would be awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would be awesome, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then, so I know for you guys, that'll be big.
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  Speaker 2: I know PTs can't do imaging.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and it's always good to have more information.
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  Speaker 1: We can see structurally what's going on, yeah, and also to rule out underlying systemic pathologies.
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  Speaker 1: That isn't within our scope, yeah, systemic pathologies.
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  Speaker 1: That isn't within our scope to rule out things like why is somebody having chronic back pain or chronic neck pain?
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  Speaker 1: Why are they having chronic shoulder pain?
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  Speaker 1: So just ruling out that it's not something like some kind of oncology problem Exactly Systemic issue.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because overuse can be a terror and it's something that we don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Someone that might just have that crunch in their shoulder.
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  Speaker 2: It could be more than just you know, minor crunches.
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  Speaker 2: Right could be follow-up.
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  Speaker 2: Uh treatments can be a good issue for pt and stem cell.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah so you all right.
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  Speaker 1: So you went to um, you went the cairo route, and then you met ben yep, ben's the owner.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how'd y'all meet?
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  Speaker 1: So how'd you get connected with a?
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  Speaker 2: very funny story.
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  Speaker 2: So so Ben was building his home Keep that non-disclosed.
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  Speaker 2: Ben was building his home and he was in the same apartment complex as my fiance and I with his fiance.
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  Speaker 2: So his fiance, brooke, came up, so we went to Busy Body Shout out, busy Body on North.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the gym, yeah, yep.
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  Speaker 2: And we went there and worked out there before I hopped into CrossFit.
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  Speaker 2: So Brooke was working out next to my fiance and I and then she just randomly came up to us and was like, hey, you guys live in Gables Montecito.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, we live there, it's so funny.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, I see you guys walking all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I was like I thought I saw you, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 2: And then she's like I was like, oh, I've seen, I've seen your boyfriend or fiance, I didn't know time around, I'd love to meet him.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever she's actually like, he does this.
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  Speaker 2: We just get got to talk.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, that, I've heard about that a little bit in chiropractic school, but not too too much.
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to chat with them.
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  Speaker 2: And we just got to chatting and we clicked immediately.
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  Speaker 2: So we thought it'd be, you know, good fit.
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  Speaker 2: And then I met, met him, met the uh, physician, physician assistant Will, um, who you met briefly, and then, um, I'll see our nurse, so kind of met with all them and you know, it was kind of just like a good fit and we thought it'd be smart to, you know, have a different mindset on things.
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  Speaker 2: So, ben, he wanted me, wanted to bring me on, and um, never looked back, I just was had my year with them August 1st.
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  Speaker 2: So time flew, time flies, wow, yeah, cool, time flies.
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  Speaker 2: And um, no, it's been good.
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  Speaker 2: Um, we're busy this month, we're kicking off strong, so it's, it's been a good month so far.
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  Speaker 2: Um, a kind of a neat one.
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  Speaker 2: A patient with Guillain-Barre For people that don't know, guillain-barre is very it's like a.
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  Speaker 2: Basically it's like kills the nerves.
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  Speaker 2: If you ever had nerve pain, any type of neuropathies, it's that times 10.
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  Speaker 2: And this patient is unfortunately going in extreme pain and it's very detrimental to her.
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  Speaker 2: It's very detrimental.
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  Speaker 2: It's affecting the family.
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  Speaker 2: She is a wife and a mother.
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  Speaker 2: So her good days what they told us is about three days a month and it was getting worse.
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  Speaker 2: So it was an emergency.
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  Speaker 2: We treated her Monday.
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  Speaker 2: So follow up with her next week, see how she's feeling.
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  Speaker 2: Um, keep, keep moving from there.
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  Speaker 2: But it it's fun.
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  Speaker 2: We.
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  Speaker 2: We treat a lot of different, a lot of different pathologies, a lot of different diagnosis um that you wouldn't see like Western um western, oh my goodness why.
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  Speaker 2: Why I draw a blank.
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  Speaker 2: Um western nile, there it is.
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  Speaker 2: Western.
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  Speaker 2: Nile was one um that we talked about treating just so random.
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  Speaker 2: Get a call out of there from nebraska too.
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  Speaker 2: Western is um, it is trans.
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  Speaker 2: Um trans transferred from mosquitoes.
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  Speaker 2: So in nebraska I guess there was an influx of mosquitoes or something that carried it in, and now there's an outbreak.
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  Speaker 1: so, oh my god, so random but I think about that stuff too.
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  Speaker 1: Like, like, if I'm outside, my kids in the yard, like mosquitoes are over the place, of course, and I get bit and I'm like what's the likelihood there's not malaria?
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  Speaker 1: Yep, zika virus, west nile virus, yeah, like, what are?
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  Speaker 2: the chances oh yeah, it's, it's kind of disgusting and the likelihood of us getting bit is so.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we walk the dogs around the lake and I'm like get bit five times yeah yeah, it's annoying the butt, like in my little baby.
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  Speaker 1: I got an eight month old baby now right.
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  Speaker 1: So like if we're outside with him and he's, you know, in the front of a little blanket, we're playing, whatever, and I'm like, but he has three bug bites on his shoulder and I'm like, oh my God, what's going on in there?
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  Speaker 1: What's going on in there?
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  Speaker 2: I hate it For him he's full of all of the stem cells that we wish we had.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, but yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So I have some questions for you, like how did you get into PT?
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  Speaker 1: How did I get into pt?
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  Speaker 1: How did I get a pt?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, good question.
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  Speaker 1: So, like, I was always, you know, playing sports and athlete and stuff like that, I had some own injuries.
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  Speaker 1: And then, um, I was, my plan was to be a firefighter.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I was gonna be a firefighter like gung-ho all in nice, and I actually wasn't gonna go to college.
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  Speaker 1: Um, I was just gonna go straight to fire school, unless I got a scholarship to play sports or something.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so fortunately I did.
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  Speaker 1: I got a scholarship, a scholarship to play sports or something.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so fortunately I did.
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  Speaker 1: I got a scholarship to play football and volleyball, so I played both.
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  Speaker 1: And then I was still going to be a firefighter through college.
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  Speaker 1: And then I always enjoyed anatomy and kinesiology, biomechanics and how it applies with athletes and sports and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought it was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Anatomy, it's like maybe I'll be a doc, maybe I'll go to med school.
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  Speaker 1: I thing, yeah, anatomy, it's like maybe it'll be a doc, you know, maybe go to med school.
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  Speaker 1: I was like I don't like pharmacology, like pharmacology and oh my gosh, it's just not my thing.
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  Speaker 1: And chemistry is not my thing, yeah, but I like this other sciencey kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like maybe I'll, I don't know, but I ended up majoring in biology, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And then, um, everyone's like why are you mentioning biology when you're gonna be a firefighter, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that seems like aggressive, but anyway, but I liked it.
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  Speaker 1: And then, at my senior year in college, um, I remember talking to my dad and he was like, hey, you're doing really well in school.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like you got an a in this test and this whatever, like if you considered being a pt school.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, huh, I'll look into it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was the decision boom, right there, right there, I was senior year in college.
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  Speaker 1: So last semester went on on a whim, went all the way, and I was, from that point forward, just got all my application stuff together and just dove into like what the process would be.
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  Speaker 1: And then, fortunately, the next year I got in.
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  Speaker 1: So, anyway, that's why I got into pt.
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  Speaker 1: Nice, where'd you go to pt school?
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  Speaker 1: University, miami, is that where you did undergrad too?
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  Speaker 1: Undergrad, I went to a small d2 school in illinois, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: University, okay, yeah, it's a small private catholic school.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: And, um, yeah, it was a big culture shock from here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had never seen snow until I went to college.
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  Speaker 1: That's because, born and raised here, okay, yeah, that's a crazy.
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  Speaker 2: That's a crazy thing, crazy transition.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you never heard of a parka or or toboggan or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: No, no and uh, yeah, never seen snow.
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  Speaker 1: And like I didn't know what to expect.
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  Speaker 1: And man I, after my first winter, I was like I know, I want.
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  Speaker 1: I want to live in South Florida, that's where I want to be.
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  Speaker 1: It's the perfect year round.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I can manage the heat, I'm okay with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not bad.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's hot but we're in the AC most of the time, luckily, yeah, fortunately.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean basically similar to me for chiropractic school.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I played high level ice hockey, played semi well, I guess you kind of say it's semi-final.
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  Speaker 2: I played junior A hockey when I was 16.
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  Speaker 2: And I tore my groin and the chiropractor I saw rehabbed me for my tore groin and I was like, oh, I didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was just you know, go get manipulated, get the crack.
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  Speaker 2: And that was it.
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  Speaker 2: And he was like, no, no, it's much more than that.
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  Speaker 2: Like we can do this.
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  Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh, interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So thought about PT.
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  Speaker 2: Um, what turned me off?
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  Speaker 2: Pt is the stereotypical PT and like that's another reason why I click one of you it literally I was never saw.
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  Speaker 2: Like like I saw the real physical therapist once and then it was a pta and um, this is, it was for a hip injury, dislocated my hip playing ice hockey and um, so I did pt for that and it was like I was like in there with geriatrics and they're like go do this.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like okay.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not interested.
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  Speaker 2: There was no motivation at it.
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  Speaker 2: This is in pittsburgh pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 1: Yep and um, it's standard, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bummer it is, it is.
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  Speaker 2: And I was just like, yeah, this is a run of a mill and I'm, I'm good, and so then do I want to work in this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's 35 years, 40 years of my life, yep, it turned me off and then so tried the went.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, chiropractic would be sweet, and really pushed hard on on, like movement-based chiropractic, like sports chiropractor, and I love that at school and I practice like that.
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  Speaker 2: So we had to re.
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  Speaker 2: So you go to chiropractic school and you have a year of being in clinic and you have two years of schooling, a year of being in clinic and then you have your residency.
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  Speaker 2: We call it a preceptorship.
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  Speaker 2: After, um, I did my preceptorship in palm beach garden at uh performance among this chiropractic, with dr matt delalo, and he practiced same too and it's um, I just couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: I did an internship when I was in high school with the chiropractor.
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  Speaker 2: That was just like cranking them out and I mean they make great money but it's just not.
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  Speaker 2: Patients are just like in and out within every two days and I'm like I don't want that philosophy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you make more money, but I'd rather see someone once a month if I can.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously at first, when someone comes in with acute pain, you're going to come back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, come back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, um, but that just wasn't for me.
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  Speaker 2: But, uh, yeah, so tore my groin and I was like, oh, let's give this a look.
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  Speaker 2: I majored in biology, minored in business and, um, um, I knew I wanted to go to palmer, florida, because the chiropractor I did my internship with in high school had patients.
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  Speaker 2: So, like he at some of the patients said, if you go anywhere other than palmer, people won't see you.
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  Speaker 2: And I noticed that a lot of people wanted, asked like, oh, did you go to Palmer?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, did you go to Palmer or did you go to life?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, so took that into consideration and applied to um, palmer college chiropractor in Florida, got in and made some of my best friends there and met my fiance there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a chiro too.
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  Speaker 2: She's a chiro too.
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  Speaker 2: She's a pediatric chiropractor Cool.
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  Speaker 2: So she treats babies and she loves it Cool, that's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so never turned back.
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  Speaker 2: And then now into this.
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  Speaker 2: So it's funny, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What shifted recently for you.
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  Speaker 2: With switching into regenerative medicine.
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  Speaker 2: Just be honestly, it was just um.
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  Speaker 2: I heard about stem cells when I was in chiropractic school and I didn't really like it never really got into it much.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like very minor, like oh this is, research is coming out for this, so you can do stem cells for this.
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  Speaker 2: I was like I don't know, it kind of sounds like voodoo.
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: And then I saw it firsthand with Ben and I witnessed it and some of the things that we were able to treat um a patient that we sent you um.
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  Speaker 2: She had multiple tears and and we treated her and she could, couldn't work out, could barely run the knee, yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she did really good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was running.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, great, and with, with your help and our help, it, it she is back to being normal and athlete, athletic again.
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  Speaker 2: So that's amazing, uh, yeah, so have you heard my sense?
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  Speaker 2: We've talked to her once.
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  Speaker 2: She wants to come back in just for a touch-up, um, so that's, that is the nice thing that you can.
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  Speaker 2: We try to do a one and done treatment.
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  Speaker 2: But it is nice to kind of, if you, if you can, to get some touch-ups here and there, just because, I mean, it only benefits.
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: You can never not have enough.
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  Speaker 2: So, um, so we've talked about coming in for doing a touch-up, but she is busy.
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  Speaker 2: So, um, definitely need to reach out and schedule that and and kind of have her talk to him, get a testimonial from her, cause she's a good one for both of us.
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  Speaker 1: She was a cool person too, yeah, so you just got more interested in the regenerative medicine, yep, and you're like this is cool, I want to stay in this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I cause I was like there's no limit to where this ends, and cause I mean it can treat.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing we don't treat and I don't, I really don't know exactly the outcome, it could really go either way is cancers, Because I mean, you're talking regenerative medicine is regenerating cells, it's proliferating cells.
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  Speaker 1: Yes exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So you're bringing in and regrouping cells.
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  Speaker 2: So I think I go hand in hand with it.
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  Speaker 2: I could bring more cancer cells, but also it helps treat AIDS.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't see why it wouldn't take out the bad cells, because you're you're, we'll get into this more.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: But the exosome stem cell mix is where they finds the inflammation and targets the inflammation and basically beats up, beats the inflammation and bringing in new cells, fresh cells.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: So that's where I'm kind of like yeah, I don't see why it wouldn't fix it, but it's still, it's it's very new.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: It's very like if you go out of the country they'll treat it all day, but it's cancer and I just really, yeah, where Panama, um, like CPI, will do it, big places like that but it's just, it's a risk.
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  Speaker 2: You just don't, you really don't know what's the block here.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Then just don't know, just don't have enough research to say it it'll cure it interesting.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing a lot of in panama I would.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard patients getting what kind of cancer that I don't know.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Leukemia is one that will help, um, but other than that, I don't know, I don't know.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: We had someone reach out about basal cell carcinoma and it's kind of like like when, when, when was it Like?
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: How far, how far back did you get it?
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: If we're two years out and you're, you're out of it, it's completely out of your system, then yeah, we could treat you, but it's but to say basically to save our butts.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: It's just kind of like it's tough to find a doctor in the U?
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  Speaker 2: S that will do that, just because of how much liability there is.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, well, that'd be really crazy, though the ability to treat that oh yeah, I mean, it's interesting Like a basic level of cancer would be the abnormal proliferation of cells and a lack of apoptosis or apoptosis or whatever, where stem cells regenerates cells, fresh cells.
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  Speaker 1: So if it's like I could see my understanding with a thought would be like stem cells near a tumor.
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  Speaker 1: Would it just proliferate the tumor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where it could go back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know if it'll make the tumor grow or if it's going to bring in the fresh cells.
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  Speaker 2: Enhance the cells to kill the tumor.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly yeah, Exactly so.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean there has been treatment with AIDS and reversed AIDS, so I can.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy too.
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  Speaker 2: That's yeah, exactly, and that's where I'm kind of like, okay, if it'll take down the CD4 cells and and kill those toxins, then I don't see why not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes sense Like the rationale yeah, we just need some studying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it needs a little more research.
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  Speaker 1: But from my I mean, it depends on where people are at on this mindset, but from a cynical point of view it would be like why isn't this stuff fully dove in and funded and like let's crush these studies on stem cells, with the applications and what it's promising?
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  Speaker 1: They'd be amazing for revolutionizing medicine.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, why aren't a lot of researchers and institutions diving into it?
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Diving into it hardcore?
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  Speaker 2: So you see a lot of like anytime I pull up an article or like on PubMed or anything like that.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: A lot of the research has done it, like Harvard, um, kind of those big Ivy league schools, and then some other like small labs.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: It's just the funding is just not there to do it and I hate to say it's big pharma once it doesn't want it Like it that takes away stem cells, takes away from Johnson and Johnson and those big pharma companies, cause we treat a lot of like long COVID haulers, um, with nebulization, breeding treatments.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: And think about that If we were doing that with people that had COVID originally, they probably wouldn't be in the situation they're in now.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: So nebulizing treatment with COVID as an example.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: So nebulizer, you're taking stem cells and exosomes, you're putting in a breathing machine.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: And a vapor.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Yep, and you're basically just the steam of it, the water or the vapor of the stem cells and exosomes.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: You're putting in a breathing machine, so vapor?
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Yep, and you're basically just the steam of it, the water or the vapor of the stem cells, because you're mixing the stem cells with bacteria, static water, and that allows a water vapor to come through.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: You're breathing it in for about 30 minutes.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Um, and what?
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: The exosomes?
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: saturates your, the inner part of your lungs yep, inner part of your, your bronchioles, your lungs, um can.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: It's very good for tbis um people with tinnitus.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Like it's very good for for uh veterans that have tinnitus and like they're ringing in their ear.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Um so tbi, traumatic brain injury, just goes straight to the brain?
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Yep, because it can break the with the oxygen exosomes break the blood-brain barrier.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Stem cells themselves don't, but that's why exosomes instead cell combo is so beneficial wow interesting.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, it's, it's, that's, it's so interesting.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: That's why I was like I mean, I've always been super fascinated by stem cell applications.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: It seems like it's unlimited.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Like stroke, parkinson's, huntington's, multiple sclerosis, yep, are all those things also on the menu?
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: multiple sclerosis.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: It depends on when you look on the website, but if you look on MS, like the National MS Society, one of the cures is stem cell, and it'll say it straight up.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the cures is stem cell and it'll say it straight up wow, yeah, so, um, we have treated it, but we haven't had as many patients as I'd say that we would like in our office for it, just because of how well known it is to do it.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Um, autism is a big one right now.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: The um, yeah, just to get into the autism field.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: If you can get it young, if we can get in there young, um, it's so beneficial.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: We're talking behavioral changes.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Um, I mean, I, we ben, and I talked to a lady today, um, and she she took her five-year-old daughter, got stem cell therapy done, her done, her daughter's 19.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Now she's apraxia, so she's nonverbal and I think her concept is okay.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I did this to my five-year-old daughter or whenever she was five-year-old.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: It's time again.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: She's very high on the spectrum, so she's going to need more than one treatment.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: We talked today three treatments.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: So basically, our goal is to get her to be verbal and therapy will be very good with this as well.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Speech pathology and then behavioral therapy, just like it calms them down.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Something scientific that I need to research so I can talk about it more is it gets in there and then it calms their behavior down, lets them kind of not have as much ADHD and be able to kind of like, lets their brain cool down so they're not Not as many triggers, not as many triggers and stimulation Interesting, yeah.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: And then what about like stroke and Stroke too Essential nerve?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Like yeah.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Like CNS.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so we treated a patient with a stroke.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: She was experiencing paralysis I can't remember if it was right or left hand Paralysis in one of their hands and then her eyes.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: She lost the motor function in her eyes so obviously she was having nerve issues with that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: So we treated her infusion.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: It was a hefty treatment.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: She had six treatments.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: She also was, I think she had arthritis in her knees as well.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: So arthritis is completely better.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: We keep up with her very frequently.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Her arthritis is completely better.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Um, we, we keep up with her very frequently.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Um, her arthritis is completely better.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Her eyes are starting to.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I guess she started to do therapy with um, one of the hospitals out here.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: So she, her eyes, are starting to become, like I guess, function normally.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Coming back to square um still has a little bit of paralysis in the hand, but I think that's something that therapy will help help work that out, but it definitely is very promising.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: You're talking the square um still has a little bit of paralysis in the hand, but I think that's something that therapy will help help work that out, but it definitely is very promising.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: You're talking reversing motor function from her being told that she was going to be a vegetable to being able to walk and function.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's amazing.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate to say.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I mean she wasn't told she was going to be a vegetable, but she said they told her breathing tube, feeding tube, everything and she walks and talks normal.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I mean Wow, that's amazing.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so with the vapor, the nebulizer, would that be also help to treat systemic inflammation or other arthritic changes?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Like does the stem cells get put in your blood system from the lungs?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so then to be dispersed throughout your whole?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: so regulatory system.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: For systemic, we want to do iv, um, so I think best case is iv.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: And then, if we're talking about for arthritis, um, oa, osteoporosis, ra, stuff like that we probably want to do, depending on where it's at some site, injections, and we would do direct injections with mesenchymal stem cells, um, uh, mesenchymal stem cells come from the umbilical cord, the highest potency we are.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: There's research that backs that, um, and so we would do exosomes through the system or through IV, so systemically, and then direct, say in the knee, direct injections in the knee, and what the exosomes do, those travel throughout the body, find the inflammation and then the stem cells are the ones they.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: They replicate and double every 28 hours.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: So every 28 hours.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: So you start out with, I don't know to say, a number, 300 billion and then they double, so 600 billion the next day, and then after that it'd be 1.2.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: A trillion, yeah, a trillion.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: So that's where that's crazy, yeah, and that's kind of where that anti-aging comes, in fact, too, where you see some people who are just using it as a general health and wellness.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: They can get their biological age checked.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: One wellness, um, they can get their biological age checked um, one that does that.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Uh, a famous guy named brian johnson.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, johnson, yep, and he had.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: That's what he does.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's literally what he does.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: He gets stem cell therapy infusions and all the other like red light therapy.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, um, his diet I don't know about his diet, but locked in he is, he's dialed, and you're talking to guy I think he's ticked back the clock.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: What five to eight years, or something like that.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Well, from my understanding, looking at like biological age progression, where it's like how quickly is your body aging, right, the goal would be like one year per year.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: He's brought it down to like 0.5.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Per year.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Per year, from my understanding.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, and then there's like this national scorecard that you can submit your information, kind of like handicap on PGA golf.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: You know that golf handicap, like a scorecard for aging, aging, aging, age, or like aging speed, speed of aging.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And there's some other girl, I don't know, it might be local, that I think anyway that she's not really doing the same stuff Brian Johnson's doing, but she's like 0.6.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Wow, what's she doing differently?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, but I'm not super well in tune with all that stuff.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: But anyway, my understanding it's like the speed of age and he's bought it down to half to half a year for the year.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: That's year and then anyway, so I also listened to a podcast of him and we researched some stuff on him and stuff and he does like blood transitions with his um 17 year old son.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, so he's getting his son's younger blood?
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I think so yeah, and I know he does red dye therapy, uh, so oh, he's hyperbaric stuff like that, yeah yep, um, and then he, uh, his schedule is pretty crazy.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: It's interesting the things that I've heard him talk with other people asking him, like anti-aging, what's the number one thing to start with.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: First, like you would just recommend to somebody he said lock in your sleep, lock in your sleep cycles and your sleep scheduling, and everybody has their own most optimal wake when sleep windows.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So figure that out, he's like.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: For him it seems like bed at 8.30 and then wake up at 4.30.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, and he exercises an hour a day, nothing too intense, but some strength training and resistance training, some cardiovascular, and then he eats his first meal after that and his last it's what?
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Like at six o'clock is his first meal, okay, and then his last meal is 11 am.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: He doesn't eat again until the next morning at six.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, last meal is 11 am.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: He doesn't eat again until the next morning at six.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, so he eats from 6 am to 11 am and then he eats light, like.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: He eats like, yeah, it's like greens, like greens and, uh, quinoa, and like berries and nuts at super anti-inflammatory foods.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: That's all he eats.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he keeps it packed in um aluminum tin.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Yep, because plastic?
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Because the microplastics, with tupperware as an example.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: So why not?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: glass, then too.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Well, it might not have the money for the aluminum or whatever.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but it might just be.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: If you have a glass, that tupperware or glass uh bin, uh pan, the lid usually is, oh, the rubber, yeah, that makes sense.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Whatever, yeah, that makes sense.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Whereas, like the aluminum is like the uh, imagine, like a sardine can, yeah, it's like a clip that goes over the top that you re-wash and re-okay, that makes sense.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I think that's my understanding.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: But anyway, he's just like greens and yeah, some quinoa, it doesn't look good.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And yeah, and nuts and berries, yeah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I mean he's super low fat too.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he looks like an alien, yeah, like he looks super healthy.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Anyway, that's a lot.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, now he's coming out with his own supplement brand I saw that which is, you know, entrepreneurially, it makes sense, yeah, but yeah, he spends like a lot, like what?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: 2 million a year.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I thought I saw something like that.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Because I mean he's a billionaire.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: He had a tech company prior.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, did you watch his movie, the Don't Die documentary Parts of it?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he shows.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: He said he was killing himself like eating cheeseburgers, just eating when he could, being a high level entrepreneur Cheeseburgers are good.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, being a high level entrepreneur Cheeseburgers are good.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like a hefty, thick cheese sometimes, you know they just open up that wood.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: That skinny Louie's down in West Palm on Mattis?
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I haven't been yet, but I hear it's good.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: It's good stuff, I hear it's good stuff.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he was talking about like he would just eat whenever he could and that's where it leads.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I mean he was overweight.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Um, probably didn't sleep well.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, sleep.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: So I used to have a whoop.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: My fiance has the aura ring.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Um, I've been thinking about getting the whoop again, kind of now just dialing back into fitness and kind of being on track with everything.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: But it's just, I don't know when I had my last week but didn't calculate correctly.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: That's kind of why I stopped it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: But it's definitely interesting looking at the sleep and seeing how much you are awake and being able to dial it in.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I had REM for an hour and 40 minutes and you're like that's it, that's it.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: And then you calculate the whole thing.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: You're like being up, you were up technically for an hour, so you only technically got like a six hours of deep sleep and you're like it's not.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: It's not as much as like you actually think.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: So the uh.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I've actually never investigated that in myself, but right now it's challenging.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: We've got three kids and kids are always up.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I woke up this morning and my son is in the bed with us and I was like I don't even know, I thought I was getting kicked.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: That's funny, Uh, but it's always a little bit like off and on one eye open, you know, yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: It's weird, keep your head on a swivel with the heads, and my wife is.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: She's handling the brunt of that mostly.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: So she's, like man, really broken sleep for the last.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I mean since my son was born, you know and late pregnancy is always tough so it's been nine months probably since she's had a full night's sleep.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Shout out to the wives oh my gosh, like she's a warrior.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah the um.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: A couple of nights ago, actually for the first time, our baby got seven hours in a row, but our other two kids woke up.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: You're like come on.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: So and like my wife, like I, usually she lets me sleep I mean I want mommy and I'm like she's awake anyway and I'm like I'll help you and they're like I want mommy.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: It's like you can't rationalize with a three-year-old In the middle of the night.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: You can never rationalize with a three-year-old but in the middle of the night, screaming and like don't wake up anybody else, like just please be quiet.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Like I'll get mommy, okay, okay, I'll get her again you know, yeah again, but anyway, um, she's a warrior, she's getting broken, sleep like it's not, there's no, bueno, you need a little like staycation or something.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, not until the baby is a little bit older.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: How old now?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: He's eight months, okay, all right, yeah, he's fresh, we gotta wait a little bit more, but um, but anyway, I remember also the brian johnson thing.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: He was describing how he had like six months in a row, or eight months in a row, of perfect sleep.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Wow, think about how that feels, the times that I get a good night's sleep.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like today, we sleep with the dogs in the bed.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: It's bad, whatever.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: It's hard not to.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: But no, our one dog, he just like's up and down all night and he, uh, I mean, yeah, I woke up this morning and I was like I don't want to go to the gym.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go to the gym.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: You force myself to go to the gym and so I'm already dead from that and I was like it doesn't compare to what, like your wife has, but it's just like you feel it used to it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that too.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: The other night I actually the baby was crying.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: He did not need a nurse at that point, so I was like I'm going to go in there.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: She woke me up.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: It was like she had been up like three times at this point.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: It was like 3.30 in the morning but I had to get up at 4.30 for my 6 am patient here, yeah.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: So I was like well, hopefully this goes quick, I can get another 45 minutes before I have to wake up.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: You know, because it takes 15 minutes minimum to get the baby quiet down and then actually lay them in the crib without waking them up again.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: But that was a little rough.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I felt a little tired.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: The next day.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I know, you just get used to it, you get used to it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: It's weird, you just get used to it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of how I've been.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've been kind of good on.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: You know, getting by the time I get in bed we get the dogs, everything's situated 11 30 like I'm asleep and I'm like, okay, wake up at 6 30, I'm good, like I'm good, I'm good with that.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: But like seven hours, yeah, and I'm like I could probably use another hour, like if we have a weekend sleep till like 7 30 maybe, and I'm like, okay, I feel great, yeah, but something you get kind of like that guiltiness.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: You're like, ah, I should be up.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sleep, yeah, totally.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to get my.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I found out for myself the hours that are most optimal If I get, if I can get eight hours to eight and a half oh, you're dialed.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty solid, yeah, like if I get more than that, I'm like a little stiffer and more groggy, yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: It's so weird that the more you sleep I don't know my fiance, she could, she's a bear, she could sleep all day and I'm like I'm like spring chicken whenever I'm up, like I'm not super chat, Like I'm not like a morning person chipper Like hey, good morning, so I made this and this, and then we had to yeah, that's usually how it goes.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like the coffee's in the fridge.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Brewed it last night.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Just get it to go.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Cup, we're ready to go.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: We've got to play in the whole day.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly, that's up Anyway.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think some of the Brian Johnson he was saying like sleep is the most important thing, absolutely.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: And then dialing in like inflammatory foods, that just looking deep, deep, diving into, like what seems to be inflammatory for you, which is different for different people, and then eating.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: It seems like the theme I'm getting a lot from a lot of the experts locally and then also like throughout some influencers and stuff and information is just eat less than you need to.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Like I forget what it's called Ancient Japanese culture of like eat when you're 80 full and that's it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't overstuff yourself.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, do that consistently forever.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Right, you get used to it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Your stomach, like you know, you get used to that which I've tried to practice.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: That not perfect by any means every day.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: No, but, um, eat light, uh, don't eat heavy.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And then whatever's inflammatory, try to identify what that is and rid that of your diet.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Dial in your sleep, exercise frequently throughout the week and that's like appropriate exercise.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to overdo it you don't have to overdo it, it's just too much of anything is always.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Never going to be a good thing, of course.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Imagine marathon training 24 hours, 20, 24 hours like 12 months of the year.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: It's a lot.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: It's a lot.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: It just adds up.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah I mean I guess your body does kind of get used to that type of uh type of training as, like, say, you're running 10 miles a day.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you're, if you're used to that, then yeah, I mean we used to do when I ran track in college.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I was a sprinter and so I, oh, so, so you're fast, not anymore Used to be, but yeah, um, but I mean just being able to push myself to like get my heart rate up to one, 90 for a minute.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I'm fine with that.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Like when I like at the at sea dog, I'm like if we have a grunt one where I'm like, okay, you push yourself like isabel is a great one, it's 30 um, 30 power snatches as fast as you can, with 135 or 225 depending on what weight you do um, like those workouts I am amazing at because I can push myself to get to like that 190 to 200 like beats per minute in my heart rate.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: It's a lot, yeah, and that can bring it back down, no problem.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: But anything like like any long distance stuff, I'm like, yeah, I'm dead, I'm dead, but so it all.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: It changed again.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: It changes person to person and what you need, I mean if you're fueling yourself right before, before you're running or before you're doing a workout.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: That changes too.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, um, but yeah, what?
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: What are you?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: What are you eating right now?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: That you've kind of noticed is really beneficial for you, because I'm always curious.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: See, I'm the kind of person that I'm totally fine with eating the same thing all the time, oh yeah.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, I enjoy a good meal, or like an eating, you know, cheat meal.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a cheat meal, just let it go.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Sometimes, yeah, like having a cheeseburger, but I usually, during the week, I grind, I just keep it locked in.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I'll have three eggs in the morning Try to go to organic eggs, costco, the brown ones With a little bit of cheese and then either a half a bagel or a half a tortilla, and then a handful of spinach and a coffee.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: And, and then a handful of spinach, okay, and a coffee, yep, and some more OJ, all right.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: And then for lunch I have frozen green beans or broccoli with whatever we had for dinner and it's usually the meat rotation.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: We do is chicken, ground turkey, occasionally like pork, but it's usually chicken or ground turkey fish, fish and we had fish earlier this week um.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And then for the carb we'll do like um, either a tortilla, again.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm usually.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I'm usually like I have 12 minutes to eat lunch.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was banging out a bunch of stuff and I got a patient coming, I was like shoot, I need lunch yeah, tortilla makes it easy, you can throw, you just wrap it up and then eat it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like good, all right, and then a Greek yogurt with raw walnuts and then an apple.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, and that's my lunch.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: That's good Pretty much every day.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And then for dinner it whatever chicken fish, ground turkey, occasionally steak, but that's actually really rare.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Also, too, we're grinding right now.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: We don't have time to do anything.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: No for sure.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Attending to the kids and trying to cook a meal is not ideal, right.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: And also I want to be purposeful with my time.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I want to spend time with my kids.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I don't want to when I get home.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Sit at the grill or whatever.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or cook, know, and usually my wife older when they're older and they can cook with us yeah but right now it's like, I mean, we're managing three-year-olds and five-year-old and, uh, I need attention, baby.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to play with them, you know yeah, exactly so my wife, at that point I get home, usually she's like, please take them and I'll cook.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, perfect, I'll take the kids.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen them all day.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: You can have time by yourself and cook, yeah.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And then, uh, everybody's happy and everyone's happy.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: And then my problem usually would be like at the end of the night, snacking.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Kids finally are in bed and I usually have.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: This is my routine.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I usually have a LaCroix and I'll either have chips and salsa that sounds good A chip and a dip of some sort.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like a spinach dip or like a corn salsa or something like that.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Or you know, I've really gotten into recently is Doritos All right.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Really gotten into recently is doritos all right with a little sauce cheddar, no, just straight cheddar doritos.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Those things are good, man, I don't care what anybody says.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Uh, that and or like a bowl.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I also enjoy a crisp, cool bowl of cereal.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: What cereal?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: So there's this organic pumpkin seed granola cereal at costco.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: That's probably my favorite one okay I'll think of a try if I, if I splurge, which is not that often it'll be like Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a good one.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: It's probably my favorite one, but I like.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: My favorite.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: That was that pumpkin.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: So it's like you don't feel too bad about it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: No, and I'll have it with almond milk.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I like almond milk, yeah, it's healthy.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: So I have a hefty bowl of that and if I leave the box out with me, I'll have a second bowl.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: You know like I should put this away, but I just have a little bit more.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with LaCroix, I don't know.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: That usually hits a good spot and then I go to bed.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: That's usually my eating, and then on the weekends lunch is usually similar.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Breakfast is the same every day.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Usually dinner is where, if I like pizza or like burgers or, uh, if we eat out or something like that, which is also kind of rare, but if I would say pizza, you know also costco lunch is also a good one like kids have a hot dog, little dog little soda.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, have a soda.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I don't have soda often, but when I do, I'm like gosh, this is good man.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crispy and it's carbonate sprite.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a coke guy okay, you're a big coke guy, or mountain dew, oh god.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Or fountain orange, oh yeah, yeah, like a orange soda yeah, the mountain dew is where I'm like because I've had kidney stones and it scares me.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Mountain dew is, like, known to give kidney stones, is it?
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: really, yeah, dang it.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was a kid that we used to have, um, do you remember the soda Surge?
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: No, okay, there's this soda called Surge and it was like Mountain Dew, okay, and that was the jam, okay, oh man, I used to love Surge, throw them back.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, imagine a kid drinking a big old can of soda called Surge.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're wired, w wired it was.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: It was kind of like mountain dew, but it was.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: It was phenomenal.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: That's funny, but anyway, so that that's what I eat.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, then first, like when I for workout, I try to work out.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Four days a week is my goal.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I try to get three in, usually try to get four, um, and I'll have like a protein afterwards, a protein shake with like frozen fruit or something, and then um, creatine okay, are you doing creatine daily?
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: creatineine daily?
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, five to eight grams, okay, depending if I work out or not, and then I try to.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I've also, on and off, doing turmeric with black pepper.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, I just got a turmeric extract from online, you know, and then black pepper extract and I'll mix them together.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Are you noticing the black pepper?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: What are you noticing from the black pepper?
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Or like, what's your goal with the bike?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: It's been found to enhance the absorption of turmeric.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, when black pepper is present by like 90.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: You notice there's a lot of like black pepper extracts and say fat burners and stuff like that oh, really okay, I haven't really noticed.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Um, I took a hiatus partly because I was a little scared.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: So, like turmeric I'm sure you're familiar it stains everything, which, like it makes sense, like the capsules that you buy from the store or whatever, like way more sense and they're way easier to manage.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: But it is expensive and I'm like I don't want to eat the capsule, I just want the turmeric.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I just want the powder.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: So I'm like I'm gonna get that the extract powder and I'll just be really careful.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I'll just eat it dry and then sip of water with it.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Um, not the best taste.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I don't really taste like anything.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, it doesn't taste like anything, but extract powder, if you're familiar, like it's super fine and it's kind of like cinnamon.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: If you ever put cinnamon in like a liquid, it doesn't.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: It doesn't, it doesn't get absorbed.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, it just floats.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, so the two, you can't mix it in water, so you just gotta take it straight.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: You take it straight, so it's super dry and then you have to drink water with it.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: All right, um, but it stains everything.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: And with it being such a fine powder, if it like plumes when you open the bag, yeah it's getting something.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: If you accidentally miss and like a little bit drips, like the powder falls a little bit on the way to your mouth, like I'm like leaning over the sink, it stains everything.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: So, accidentally, what happened one morning?
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize it, like I just spooned it in dry drinking some water.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I got it down make sure there was none of my fingertips, because it takes forever.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: It just gets in your fingers and it doesn't go away and everything you touch from that point forward would be an orange stain everywhere, a trail.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: So I accidentally spilled some on the ground Like a tiny bit and I stepped in it.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize it.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I'm finishing up in the morning.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: It's six o'clock in the morning, everyone's asleep.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: And I went to the bathroom, came back to the kitchen and there was orange all over the floor, oh my God.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: And I was like with footprints and I'm like, oh my gosh, what the heck did I just do?
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: And I looked at my socks and it was like a fine little film of powder on my socks.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: It was a tiny amount, it just spreads everywhere and it's so fine.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: And I was like I'm effed.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Luckily my wife just woke up early with the baby because I had to leave.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: No one was awake and I was like I have to go, I'm so sorry.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I just sprayed, like I just um, I owe you, I owe you so much, but like I just filtered turmeric powder all over the floor.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize this and she, anyway, she cleaned it up for me.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: It kind of pretty easy actually.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Like she got, like it usually does not, like if you get on your countertop it takes a little bit it smeared and it it buries in to the countertop oh my smears.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: and it buries into the countertop oh my God.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: It is the worst.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: You can't touch anything with it.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: It sucks.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe because it was a light layer, you got lucky.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Maybe Did you have socks on I did.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, that probably helped.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: So I took the socks.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I think I threw the socks away.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's done.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to put it in the laundry.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I threw those away and, uh, it was on our um engineered hardwood floor, so it came up somewhat easily, apparently nice, I was since locked out.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I looked out, man, I was like, but anyway.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: So since then I'm like I have to be super careful.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyway.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: So, um, that's what.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: So some of the ones I'd take turmeric black pepper for the absorption, and then, um, creatine and whey protein with frozen fruit.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Perfect, that's my schedule.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Perfect, what about you?
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: What's your schedule?
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: so right now I'm kind of.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: We've been doing these like chicken ball things from sprouts.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Um, I do because I wake up I embedded it, but I try to get some water in first thing.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Um, that's one thing I need to get better at.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, it's tough first thing in the morning, I don't know, it's the last thing on my mind.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I'm'm not that thirsty, so, but yeah, definitely need to get better, cause a little bit before I was doing water in an element packet and downing a 12 ounce glass of that and I felt great.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: So I need to get back to that.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: And, um, so what I'm realistically doing consistently is either six of those that's one serving, six of those chicken balls are like little protein chicken balls.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: They have cheese or something in them, so it has like a little bit of everything.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: If I don't do that, then three eggs and then I'll do some sort of carb.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: What kind of carb?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Like a bagel, either a bagel, I like a bagel.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I'm a bagel guy.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Crisp toasted bagel With a little smear of cream cheese, yeah, something, and like, if I don't, if I don't do those today, we didn't have either, and I didn't feel like cooking eggs, and so I had, um, a toasted bagel with peanut butter, um, not sprouts, brand natural peanut butter, and then raw honey on it.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Hit spot, hit the spot, yeah, but if I don do that, then I'll do beet powder, um, for like a vasodilator and cause it has some carbs in it, and then, um, I've never heard that out to, I'll just send you some stuff.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: It's a game changer, cool, so we'll come back to that Um, but, um, no, we can dive into it.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: So beet powder is like basically a vasodilator.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Um, opens up all the veins.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Um, I was using it when I used to just train like bodybuilder style.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I was using it as for pump, um, just to get a pump.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And then I was telling one of my professors at chiropractic school about it, and so he tried it, and then he was like, huh, this would be good, you know, I think, for blood pressure.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Then he was like, huh, this would be good, you know, I think, for blood pressure.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, so he already knew his blood pressure before and it was, it was, it was high, he, he had hypertension and I think it was like I don't know, 160 over 90 or something, so not like crazy skyrocket.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: It's elevated, yeah, it's elevated.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: He was a bigger guy.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Um, he said, took the bee powder immediately 110 over 72.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Immediately, yeah, so it's a good.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It just opens it up and gets everything flowing.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: So scoop it out a day is good.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: It's not like there's other things you could do.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Like Brian Johnson takes like 2.5 milligrams Cialis daily.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I've heard that.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's good.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: It's another vasodilator.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Um, it doesn't have to be used for a right dial dysfunction or anything like that.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: It can just be used as a vasodilator.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Um, it's funny.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, especially like at the corporate office.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like oh, excuse me guys.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: All these guys are taking yeah, so what's in the water here?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, literally, but no, I mean, it's a, it's a good it's, it works fine too.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: But bee powder is cheap.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I think you can get it on amazon like a pound bag for 30 bucks.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: You take a scoop of it and um, uh, so you mix that with some water or some pre-workout whatever.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so, um, three eggs with some sort of carb bagel toast or something like that.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Or six of the chicken balls with four shots of espresso.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Four shots, I'm cracked.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I'm cracked.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: It's aggressive.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's still.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I'm a fiend, I'm a fiend.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I'm a coffee guy, yeah, I mean I have probably two and a half cups a morning.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably two cups yeah, so that probably probably evens out.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: It probably evens out because I guess black coffee a cup is around 50 to 80 milligrams caffeine I don't know exactly how many is in four shots, but I would say I feel similar if I did both.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Um, so I do one of those.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Go to the gym, slug my 36 ounce yeti of water, um, do whatever workout it is.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: So I do an hour workout with a strength portion and then um a hit.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, um, after that I'll try to.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I should eat, but after that I do electrolytes.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Um an element packet or I have a relight like jar.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I'll do a scoop or two of electrolytes in there, um, with a scoop.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: So five milligrams creatine, because we do a lot of red meat, so creatines and red meat too, so I don't necessarily need.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, um, then I'll eat lunch whatever basically we had before, and if I don't have anything it's usually chipotle.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I'll order chipotle and it's not sorry, it's healthy.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: And then, uh, yeah, chipotle order is white rice, double chicken, um, corn, the light, light, light sour cream and cheese.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: The cheese is so good.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: And then, um, yeah, so it's not, it's not terrible, but I mean it's probably like a 2000 calorie meal.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah but if I don't do that then it's usually like a beef broccoli and rice daily, or like a chicken broccoli and rice um uh, big on the ground chicken.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Try ground Turkey for a hot minute and I lost.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I lost a lot of.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I wasn't like I don't have a ton of body fat, but the body fat I had.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I lost a good bit, but it got so boring it's, it is.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: We pushed through.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Play with.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: We play with the seasonings, taco seasoning or whatever game changer.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Put them into burgers.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Put some cheese on it like a cheeseburger.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but um yeah yeah, if you don't do that, it can get very boring.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Then dinner we we're kind of like you.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: My fiance doesn't like fish, so unfortunately, not as much fish in the house.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I like fish, I love fish.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I like fish.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, salmon mahi, a little bit of grouper, any of it, I'm good.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Tuna steaks are one of the highest protein things you can get.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: So if she goes away, if she has a little trip with the girls or with her parents or whatever, then I'll get some tuna steaks.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: So you wouldn't have like a each have your own meal for dinner, like, eat meal, eat dinner together, but you would have your own thing.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: No, I won't, so what is the smell.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: She doesn't like she doesn't like.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: So I won't do fish if she's home.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: It's like she doesn't care, but I just because it's not convenient to cook two separate things.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: So if she's there we'll do like either chicken ground meat or ground chicken or steak.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Um, I'm kind of with you.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Steak was happening for a like it was happening a lot a while back, but we kind of just dialed back, um but yeah, and then I really enjoy.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I see I better I.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I enjoy a good thick, like good crispy steak.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, nothing better than it's a good one.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: You sink your teeth into that.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm hungry yeah, yeah, let's go.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Someone gets steaks, um, but yeah, and then, um, yeah, I'm a big snack guy, like for a while I was doing apples and peanut butter and but I was putting a ton of peanut butter like that's all right, I'm talking like, like how I was telling people it's like a banana length size of peanut butter, like this much one apple, so it's probably like it was a good amount I don't.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on peanut butter like?
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: In what sense it has good like of nutritionals?
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's healthy fats yeah, right, it's a healthy fats.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's polyunsaturated, monounsaturated fat, just exactly.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I mean I would imagine there's oils in it that come with it.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: We get the organic one from the kirkland.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine, osco.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: So a little bit, you know, we would hope to be a little bit better, better in that sense of the additives or oils and whatever.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: But, um, I never, really I don't consider that to be like a sweet treat or something.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: What is good that I do that is I have you know, like one of my favorite things for treat is like um, dark chocolate, just chocolate chips, just pure chocolate chips.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Grab a handful, just handful, that in with peanut butter.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Honestly, dark chocolate has a lot of health benefits.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: That's what I've heard.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I've heard.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: So I'll take a spoon of peanut butter and I'll just tap it Like a Reese's cup In a bowl of just open chocolate chips, stick to it and sticks to it, and just eat it like a popsicle and like you know, just I'll do a couple rounds of that in a couple rounds, yeah like seven, eight rounds, maybe five yeah that's not that bad, all right right well, I mean the, the dark chocolate has a lot of health benefits.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Um, they talk a lot of cardiovascular health, it's like.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: It's like, basically, if you had like a glass of red wine a day, they tell you that has, that has health benefits too.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, it's tough to say yeah, I'm not gonna.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna knock on it because I mean I do it whatever.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I don't do dark chocolate, I do the regular milk, so yours is probably better than mine I think ours is dark chocolate.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just chocolate chips.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're the dark, I don't know, but I like dark chocolate chocolate, yeah, okay, yeah.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: So it's like a yeah, same thing.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: It's like red wine you like it or you hate it, yeah, so, but yeah, no, I do either that.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of off that now because I'm on a cut, but right now I'm honestly just firing off on a protein shake.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I'll do two scoops of organic wh and then a banana and um scoop of like pb fit, okay, yeah, and so I mean it's a decent amount of calories.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I mean I'll mix it with vitamin d milk, because I can't get past the water and protein shakes, and then, um, I'll just I'll brew that up and then I'll pour it over some ice, so it's cold, and sip on that before bed, and I'm good, so I have, I have a hack that I like to do is that I use, just like, a frozen bag of fruit from an organic bag of fruit and that's the ice.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, do you do that, I've done that.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: So if I do, if I just do a strawberry banana protein shake, then, yes, if I remembered like say, our bananas are starting to go bad, I'll throw them in the freezer, perfect yeah.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And then that'll usually be the ice.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and that's the ice, yeah.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: So it makes it a little more creamy too.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what I also do is I'll put like I have frozen broccoli, okay, and I'll just put like one, you know, it's because they're big flour.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah so you know, I'll put one in with my shake.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's one broccoli floret, two scoops of protein.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Um, I usually just hit the creatine dry.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I just put it in dry, okay, uh, because it's such a small and it's so fine.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so fine, it's not a big deal, yeah um, and then it'll be cold.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: You know it'll be cold, it'll be thick and it'll be good.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like got it in yeah, and it's almost like a dessert.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it tastes good, yeah it's smoothie.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I like, I like, I like frozen bananas in mine um in my smoothies.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Are you a big acai bowl guy?
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I like acai bowls.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have them often, but I like them.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: It's like my fountain.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I look forward to it.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Weekly we go to this place called Golden Juicery and it's in St Plaza's, crossfit Sea Dog.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know what you're talking about.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, they put crack in there or something.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I'm addicted.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I'm addicted, but no, I mean, it's like what's your secret recipe?
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're acai, it's like sorbet.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: So then when you have a little bit of it and we'll do it at the beach and I just like notice, I sit there and I'm like, oh, like my, my legs were starting to get real vascular.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: And then all the veins.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I'm looking vascular.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh hope some big bodybuilder walks by, I'm going to show them off Like do you work?
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Out.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Thanks, man, I appreciate that.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly, notice the veins.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Awesome, thank you.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, but it's so funny.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, a little tangent right there, yeah, exactly, but that's all right you know?
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, okay, we do it.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Let's a couple minutes, we'll land the plane.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask other components of the stem cell stuff that's y'all's bread and butter, mm-hmm.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: The different types of stem cells?
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: So you have mesenchymal, so I wrote it down just because I knew it was coming.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so mesenchymal is what we use.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Mesenchymal comes from the umbilical cord.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Specifically, umbilical cord blood is the highest potency Our stem cells are.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: So we don't harvest them ourselves.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: We have a company that we source them from.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: We're from I'm sorry we're from, I'm sorry we're from.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: They're like.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: The company is Platinum Biologics out of Orlando.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: I think they're out of Texas, but they have a branch in Orlando.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, the owner is a super cool guy.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Beben Russell, I believe, is his last name.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's Russell.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Super cool guy, young guy, just real, kind of like how we are.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Just like, typical medicine isn't his thing, um, and got into this and and just, they're a wealth of knowledge over there and, um, if you ever get a chance to talk to their medical director, um, dr Scott Martin, um, he's genius, uh, just, his wealth of knowledge is and it's endless Um, but anyways, so, yeah, they, they get their sourced um from full, full cesarean section births, um, and these mothers are donating the umbilical cords, uh, and they go through about five, seven pages of testing to make sure that there there diseases or any infections or anything like that.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Non-vaccinated mothers too.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: So that's a big thing.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Non-vaccinated COVID vaccine All, no vaccines at all, no vaccines at all.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, so there's that many people.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, these are usually Mormon mothers.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: For the most part they're Mormon, yeah, interesting, yep, yep, and so I mean that's kind of.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: That's such an interesting, it's such a controversial topic it really is, which I feel like it doesn't have to be, nope, but like there's so many things that I just don't know what to believe behind vaccines.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've had other practitioners on here that I mean I don't disagree with them that vaccines save lives, as an example, like polio, tuberculosis.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's some great things.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: But then again I'm like why is it?
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: There just seems to be a lot.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my thing especially with COVID.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's such that I think that's the main reason it's so controversial, which I'm okay with.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Like we're allowed to ask questions, yeah, and be skeptical yeah, I think everybody should ask questions.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: You should always know whoever you're talking to, whether it's us, um, whether it's you know, your, your medical doctor, your pcp or whatever.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Ask questions if.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: If they don't, the worst thing that they should say is you know what, I don't know.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I can get back to that for you.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: If they don't want to give you an answer or they just knock on the other person, it's not the doctor for you.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Or like just don't worry about it, just take it.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, just trust me.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you hear, just trust me from your medical professional, find a new doctor.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: But um, um, yeah.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I think covid was one of the ones that basically made all this like so controversial.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Um, just because now, from what I heard, they're pushing these on new, uh, newborn babies.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: What the covid?
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: vaccine I so I had just saw the current administration saying like the, that they're.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: They made it illegal, they made it, they took it off the vaccine schedule and it's not mandatory it's not approved.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: It's like not approved for pregnant women and babies.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Good, that's my understanding.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, it's controversial, to say the least.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and we don't have to go deep into it.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: But but but anyway, it's controversial to say the least.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and we don't have to go into that at all.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have to go deep into it.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: But anyway.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: But I think it's appropriate that part of what would make the United States a great place is that you can at least ask questions and be skeptical and want some answers and maybe even have a conflicting opinion on one direction or the other.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Like no, I think vaccines are really great.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: They can be, but are they overused, like who knows?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: I just don't know.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: There's just so much information, I don't know what to believe.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: It is tough, and I mean there's a lot of misinformation too, it's-.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly, all right.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: So, with this, though, local courts none of them are any kind of vaccine, so they come from Mormon population.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Usually, for the most part, I would say the majority of these people are coming from the Mormon population, just because I guess from my understanding they yeah, they don't believe in that.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: That's my understanding too A lot of people that are getting.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: So the Amish community is a big stem cell advocate because they don't do regular medicine.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Um, so like Lancaster, pa, is a like a hot spot for stem cell therapy, it's so.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I mean you never.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: I mean they always wondered, I guess, like from me being from Pittsburgh, I mean I kind of not close to the Amish, but close enough, like where do they go?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: like how far were they?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Probably Probably two hours.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not far.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: So you always wonder, like, why, like they don't go to the doctors?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Like, what do they do?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Are they just like Chinese medicine?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Because a lot of people do that too and that's great too.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: But it's like, what do they do?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: And then I find out that stem, um, stem cell therapy is huge out there.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Interesting, it's huge, but uh, yeah.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: So other ones are um hematopoietic stem cells.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Uh, they come from the bone marrow, peripheral blood and um also the umbilical cord.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: But um, the bone marrow transplants are very, very I don't want to say painful, but invasive.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Think about that.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: You're taking a 16 gauge needle, probably the size of the hole of this pen, and digging into the bone.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: That doesn't sound fun to me.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: And then embryonic coming from.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: This is why stem cell therapy is controversial.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Is the embryo.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Yep, so that're coming from embryos.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: That's one type, Yep, that's one type when the umbilical donation that's not.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: That shouldn't be controversial At all In my opinion, but a lot of people don't know that though.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of people, so that's where you're talking.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: I mean some people that talk negatively of stem cell.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: They're saying they're killing babies.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and it's not the case at all.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, platinum is getting its full-term births.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: These children are not affected at all.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: And they discard that stuff.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's discarding.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: You know what they're doing to it.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: The hospital is selling it to another stem cell clinic probably.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: I mean that would be my guess.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, amniotic fluid uh is another one, the placenta um, amniotic fluid.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Um, so some some people you see this with, like kim kardashian, some like high level um influencers kind of, were eating placentas.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Uh, that, yeah, I think that phase kind of died out.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: I hope so.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not, not the most thing, maybe a better way to do it?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, come see us.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: But no, um, that that's rich of stem cells.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I get what there's, I get the concept, but it's just you're talking that's the waste of the baby, that's where the baby's going to the bathroom, that's where all the toxins are going in the antibiotic fluid.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: So that's not something you want to kind of eat.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Without filtering out.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they talk about doing capsule, like capsulation of the placenta and stuff like that.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: My fiance kind of was digging deep into that just because of um, she's had a couple of patients that have done it, um, and they noticed that it affected their hormones and then they would have like postpartum depression.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: So it made me think I was like, huh, let me look into that.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: So I looked and then it it does it.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: They talk about how it affects hormones, causes postpartum depression, whenever it says it should, um, help postpartum depression.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Um, there's side effects to going that route whenever you can have healthier ways to do it.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: And then, lastly, would be exosomes.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: So exosomes are the nanoparticles of stem cells.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: They're the vesicles that carry the proteins, the RNA, and allow the repair and regeneration and anti-inflammatory response to happen.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: So how we talk about it at our office is kind of they're like the worker bees of the stem cells.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: They can run throughout the body and they're smart enough to find information, to pick and choose.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like the strongest NSAID you could ever take.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: So those are exosomes.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: So where do the exosomes harvest it from?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: They come from the stem cells.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: From what stem cell source?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: The mesenchymal?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Mesenchymal Yep.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Mesenchymal so what's the approval, the regulations of stem cells right now in the United States.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: So Florida passed the bill and made it fully legal.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Ron governor ron desantis um passed it to make stem cells fully legal.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Um, stem cells in the united states are fda allowed.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: They're not fda approved.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make them illegal.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: You can still get it done.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: It's just you can't.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: No, now in florida you can do whatever.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: But I mean I shouldn't say do whatever you can.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: So before we had to promote symptoms like retreated symptoms.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: We treated knee pain, we treated back pain, we treated, you know, behavioral issues with autism.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: We treated people with tremors, with Parkinson's.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Now we can say, hey, we treat Parkinson's, hey, we, we treat MS, we treat autism, we treat RA, oa, um osteoporosis et cetera, like down the line.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Um, now we're allowed to talk and promote that on our platforms.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Interesting, so you can advertise.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: You're doing that stuff.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: That's what the bill helped us Um.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Now other States I'm not a hundred percent sure um where they're at with that.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: So that's where that FDA allow like um.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Fda allowed is like you can promote, that you can treat symptoms.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, got it Um, but now it's really your diagnoses?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: So the question, so I guess the thought would be like to treat Parkinson's versus treating knee pain.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: The only difference is it's the same mesenchymal stem cells.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: It's just maybe the location of injection so, or the form of of it getting into your body.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's versus iv, versus an injection yeah.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: So I guess where you can go into mesenchymal stencils you have, like your, your.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: There's different uses for stem cells.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: So, say, there's one for the nebulization that has, um, that's kind of like a, a powder that you mix with bacteriostatic water.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: It's not as not as potent as, say, one that you can do intravenously.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Um, then there is topical uses for, say, people that do facials or hair treatment.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Like, after you get your hair transplant, you have to do stem cell in your hair.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: Um, there's levels to that as well, where it's also it's like kind of a different, like a lower amount of stem cells, like it's still, it's so great, you're still getting a great product, you're still getting like grade a.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Like, say, if you put it on a grade a like you're not getting taco bell, you're getting so ruth chris so you're getting chipotle?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: yeah, not taco yeah, exactly, exactly.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: then it's like you go, yeah, exactly, if you want to put it in that set, but it's like um, then you go where it's like okay, we do interveniously.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Um, you're talking a high level of stem cells, but you, it won't have any tissue product in it.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Where the tissue product the Wharton's jelly have you ever heard of that term?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: That's in the umbilical cord.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Wharton's jelly is something that's in the umbilical cord, it's kind of like the red blood cells in the umbilical cord and that allows, it's the aligning in the umbilical cord that holds the red blood cells.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Um, that you would inject.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: With the people, with the patients that have, like, oh, a, um, osteoporosis or some, maybe a tear, for, like the patient that we referred to you, um, she received a Wharton's jelly product, just because that promotes regeneration for tears and allows and allows tissue repair.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Now for the other ones, it allows for decrease of inflammation and brings in new cells.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: So there's different products for different things and how we kind of do it is we kind of like to do exosome infusion, exosome infusion, how what we've noticed works, exosome infusion with the non-tissue product, um, non-tissue stem cell product, so both of those intravenously, and then say we're treating a patient with uh, acl tear and then we would go in and inject the wharton's jelly product in the knee and that's where we've noticed like kind of like one and done, you're good, do therapy.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Come to athlete restoration see dr kyle and then, uh, like you're out of our hands from there and um, you're good to go to touch up if you need it, but most likely you'll be good.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Um, now people like parkinson's that is going to be strictly iv and nebulization.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: The nebulization combo with the IV is just potent because it's basically a double whammy throughout the venous system and throughout the brain.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously Parkinson's affects the brain, so it makes sense.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Thanks for breaking that down.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have to get you in again and, uh, dive more into to more of these things, but next time we'll get will, get will in here and he can break down the science and everything of it.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and um will is our pa, so he can break down.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: He's been doing regenerative medicine for almost a decade now, so, yeah, he can uh, he can break it down it was a good overview introduction like what this, like a whole comprehensive overview of what what that stuff kind of is.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, um, remind everybody where they can.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: If they had questions, I'm gonna reach out to you guys.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: What's the best way to reach you?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: yeah, guys, if you want to reach out, you can either reach out to me.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Uh, 561-650-4183 is my um work cell phone number.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Um, you can text call or you can email me at christianpbstemcell or you can email info at pbstemcell, pbstemcellcom and our Instagram is palmbeachstemcell.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: So any of those places reach out.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: I'd be happy to answer any questions you have and be able to get you going in the right direction.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: And then you know we can do work with us, work with Dr Kyle, to get you going in the right direction.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: And then you know we can do work with us, work with dr kyle, get you going, get you going back to where you need to be no, good, good, awesome man.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Well, thanks again for coming in.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Absolutely thank you and, uh, don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions or anything, and um, and we'll catch y'all next time all right, thanks guys.