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  Hello. And welcome to another episode
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  of the Christian we've podcast today's Is a founder and CEO of
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  work surfaces work services. So it's a surface is receiving
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  work services and he's the co-founder of runtime Consulting
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  as well. His name is Xander cousin, house
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  key, welcome to the show. How's it going?
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  I'm doing well. How are you?
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  Yeah, very good nurse. It's a pleasure.
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  Thank you for agreeing to be on the show.
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  Yeah let's let's jump into work sir.
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  Surfaces, I don't know, I'm having struggling struggling
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  with that today. Day, yes.
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  Work surfaces, tell us why you sort of set this company up and
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  what kind of services you provide?
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  Yeah, the freedom for myself and for others, it's why I do what I
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  do. I mean there's a million easier
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  ways to make money than to build a platform like this.
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  And if it was just about the money, I would have done that,
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  you know, but we're building something that's truly awesome.
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  We get people paid for doing what they love on their free
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  time and it's truly powerful because some kid can be working
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  at like Tacos El Norte and then go move a couch after his 8-hour
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  shift. It only takes him 15 minutes to
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  move the couch and you just doubled his daily income and
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  that's powerful stuff. Tough.
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  Because it's essentially if I've understood it correctly that the
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  business model is, yeah, selling your services be it could be
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  anything from a complex task, to something really simple like
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  mowing someone's Garden or something.
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  Very simple like that. I'll actually seen this business
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  model in other countries because I spent some years abroad in
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  Europe, and I saw his very similar model but it wasn't like
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  one specific company. It was just lots of companies
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  kind of Or people individuals charging for it.
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  And it's, I suppose this kind of comes under the gig economy,
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  kind of platform, or work one or so to speak.
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  But yeah, I'm interested to kind of know, like, where do you
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  think this is likely to sort of head in the future because when
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  I was looking at this, I think I kind of saw that it had like a
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  lot of legs on it. And it's definitely something
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  that I'm surprised we haven't offered really sooner.
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  I mean, I can't say, I can't really speak for the UK.
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  I think we have something like this, but never, I don't think
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  we've ever had like a one particular company set this up.
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  So, what do you think it's headed?
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  Yeah. So we're looking to be the guys,
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  you know, the, the anytime someone needs a service, they're
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  going to think of us because we're gonna be the most credible
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  and we're gonna be the platform with the greatest people and the
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  greatest crisis and we're going to be the closest thing to a
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  perfectly competitive, labor market, as possible.
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  And we can do all these things and reduce the inefficiencies
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  of, you know, massive organizations and administration
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  man. Cereal stop and just get people
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  paid for doing what they're best at.
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  We handle all this the rest. That's how we know we're going
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  to have find success. Our app comes out in about a
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  week actually, I think tomorrow. And yeah.
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  So we're going to be jamming on that and the we're just looking
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  to build and that's what the the next year's gonna entail, you
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  know, a figure out what the people want and giving it to
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  them. And we know that if we build it
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  and it's hyper usable we can get people paid, they'll come and
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  will expand. So talk us through the app a
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  little bit like what kind of features can Come to expect on
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  there and how is it more useful there say than just using your
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  browser or something like that? Yeah, so the cool thing is we're
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  going to be a lot more able to individualize your experience.
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  So we're going to have a lot, greater means of like tailoring,
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  the, the platform to you and so basically we'll be able to get a
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  lot of points. What you are, who you are, who
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  like what your desires are, how we can assist you.
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  And then that way, we'll also be able to build a better.
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  Just the referral and rewards programs just so we can have
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  better relations ongoing relationship with our customers.
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  So, is there going to be a bit of like affiliate marketing
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  here? Then like if people saw it on,
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  they get kind of I mean you mentioned rewards and stuff like
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  that. So I imagine it's kind of sort
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  of B2B style. You know, if you give us x
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  amount of business, then we'll I don't know.
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  Cut down on these fees or give you this off.
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  And like, took us through some of those benefits of working.
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  People are definitely going to do some, some very interesting
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  things when it comes to like. Our marketing and whatnot and
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  having the, you know, proper channels to get the eyeballs
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  that we're looking for, but when it comes to something like lead
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  generation, we do have a sales team that's like quite small.
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  But when it comes down to it, what we're looking to do is
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  we're going to pump all of our money into making the most
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  optimal Pro platform, because we're not looking to get all
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  fancy with it and unless it's super usable.
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  So once we start having some that's usable, we know that we
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  can drive traffic and we know that if we provide something
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  valuable, people are going to come and extract value from it
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  and stay around. Now, you guys are based in
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  Chicago, if I've understood that correctly, is that right?
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  Okay, so it's a rare, it's available like all around the
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  state of Chicago, but why we tested in is do you have plans
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  to kind of make this National and potentially International as
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  well? Because I can, I can certainly
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  see this being a model that, you know, would easily be less a
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  transferable given the right set up.
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  But what are your immediate plans for that D?
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  Is it just going to focus on the Chicago market for now or do you
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  have some immediate? Plans to move it national.
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  Yeah, the next few years we have planned to go to Bryan and
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  College Station in Texas, and then right after we're going
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  probably into Dallas Austin. Then we're going to go into
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  Colorado Springs and then hit up Denver, and what we plan on
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  doing is going just outside the cities is what we did in
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  Chicago, we were in the northwest suburbs.
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  Now, we've been able to push across the suburbs push into the
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  City, and we're going to do something very similar when it
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  comes to these other cities and it's going to fix our
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  seasonality issue. But we also have like on Online
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  services, you know, remote and other stuff, but during covid
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  and with with the weather like this, we've been able to just
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  like have to survive by doing the odds and ends that we could
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  like painting and snow removal and whatnot.
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  But once we're in a new market like Texas where we don't have
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  the seasonality issue, it's just going to be a lot better with
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  easing, our cash flows and to having a more consistent month
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  to month, so that we're definitely looking to expand.
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  We're gonna bring a platform everywhere over time, we're
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  rolling it out anymore. That will legally allow us to
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  operate. We look to be in soon.
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  What would you say the benefits for using your services versus
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  say? I know this isn't exactly a
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  competitor but you do have you know, websites online likes a
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  freelancer or true Lancer Etc right?
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  And obviously they're offering you know, purely remote Services
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  things like Marketing sales, blah, blah blah blah.
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  You know what why should people use your service versus using
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  those more? You know, well-known more.
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  Lished bigger Brands, like, what?
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  What's the benefit of? Yeah.
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  So number one is, we don't sell the beads, we connect people,
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  and then we take a little bit on top.
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  So, basically, we don't get paid until the deal manifest until
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  the freelancer or the business could spend themselves.
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  So we will quote a project say, it's a painting gig five
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  thousand dollars. And, you know, the contractors
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  content are doing it for thirty eight hundred.
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  You know, everyone's happy, the clients, expectations are met
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  work is has made a few bucks to keep building into the future.
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  Contractors getting paid, and the contractor doesn't have to
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  do all the nonsense. He doesn't have to.
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  Even a lot of times when these bigger companies are selling
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  leads, that's all they're doing, is they're selling lead.
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  So now you got to go chase them down, sometimes there are six
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  fired their old and in the beginning days I wanted to test
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  out this stuff can literally I think I've spent like eight
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  hundred dollars and I got nothing, just nothing in return.
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  It was absurd. And I just kept getting stale
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  leads wasting a lot of time. So what basically we operate the
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  screenshots a booking form someone has booked they've
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  requested you know as Estimate time, whatever.
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  And it's the address phone number.
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  Contact information, they're ready.
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  It's no nonsense. And yeah, okay.
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  Hypothetically what safeguards are in place?
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  Let's say I set up on your platform and let's say I'm a
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  buyer on but I've bought a service and you know, this
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  person is taking my money and then nothing like what would you
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  sort of do to help me in that situation?
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  Yeah, so we would cover your loss right away and that's
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  something that we do the She hates herself summary
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  competitors, and that's happened to us.
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  I was going to see Denver and I left for about six days. 16 year
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  old kid decides that he became a plumber, when I was gone and he
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  took a booking before. When the system is closed, you
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  can claim any job back then. And yeah, he just did a lot of
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  damage cost me a lot of money. But, you know, we came in, we
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  fix that right away. And, you know, it's just the
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  lesson learned. And that's the thing.
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  Like, we know that this there's going to be problems and there's
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  going to be expensive problems. But what's more expensive than
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  short-term problems? This is long-term problems with
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  your customer satisfaction, because if you don't make your
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  clients happy then, you're not going to have clients, we don't
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  have clients who have a business, great completely but
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  Playing devil's advocate. Can your business really sustain
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  that if it happens like a lot? I'm not saying that.
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  Like it's obviously gonna happen all the time, but, you know,
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  there are people that are out there to exploit and scam and
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  stuff. And yeah, well, that's the
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  thing. It keeps us on our toes.
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  It keeps us some, you know, wanting to have the best actors
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  on our platform because any Bad actors are going to cost us a
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  lot of money. So we want to remove them as
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  soon as possible. And that will leave us with only
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  the cream of the crop. Only the most highest quality
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  service providers. And that's what we're going to
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  be jamming with. We have like over time, we it
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  takes time to figure out who's good at what?
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  So say. You need a plumber, but you only
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  need a plumber every 10 years, you know, we know a plumber that
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  can do great work but most people Probably don't.
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  So that's what it comes down to. We can we can dispatch delegate,
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  the responsibilities get him paid for doing what he's great
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  at and have that person's needs met and give us like a rough,
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  you know. Overall overview of the types of
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  services that people can get on your website, anything in
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  analytics or basically any service that an individual or
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  business can offer. You'll be able to purchase on
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  our site in the coming months. So we're adding everything both
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  in person and remote. We're Maybe stay away from the
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  professional stuff for now, like, you know, legal advice and
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  accounting whatnot. But that might be a different
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  group that might be the Consulting organization that
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  does more that but literally anything you can think of, you
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  know, in the beginning days, we were cleaning cat shit out of
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  litter boxes and, you know, scraping windows.
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  So, it's just, like, do what you can with what you have, where
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  you are, and we know that the individual.
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  If we give them the platform to pull themselves up by their
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  bootstraps, they'll be able to do that.
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  Because I've seen it happen and it's so powerful.
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  When you see someone rise like that, So then what would you
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  say? Your kind of like overall goals
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  and aspirations for this company just in general, it's forget
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  time for a second level, what the main things you're wanting
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  to achieve with it. Yeah, I'm looking at the guys
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  that come with me and build this thing with me.
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  I'm looking to, you know, bestow the house them unleash, the same
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  degree of Freedom that I have the freedom to just kind of wake
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  up and do whatever I want. And and and obviously it's going
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  to be work Services because it's what my I'm passionate about.
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  But if I wanted to wake up and you know go walk around
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  aimlessly for 20 hours I could and and that feeling is unlike
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  no other commands is Success if you can wake up in the morning
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  and do what he wants to do. Do, and I want to help a lot of
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  people become very successful. Okay, awesome, awesome.
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  Yeah, let's talk about runtime consultant.
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  This is a different company. Is it, is it connected in some
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  way or if you just kept it separate and then you're going
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  to link them later? Yeah.
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  So basically the guys who built my team are, the guys who built
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  my, a lot of our online presence, and a lot of our site
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  and social media. They're on the team for runtime
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  basically, we built all this stuff and we In contact with a
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  lot of cool things but we don't need them all the time, but we
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  want to continue to hook them up with gigs to say, a guy comes,
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  in means to embed an API. So he's only with us for two
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  weeks but he's awesome. In these great words that what
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  he does, you know, I want to bring him more opportunities, I
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  don't really have them internally but I can find a ton
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  of people who need stuff that and I'm got great guys who can
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  do things. So I figured you know, why don't
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  we do something very similar when it comes to just making
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  things happen. So, when you when, when it comes
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  to web dev or a web presence, I was living in my car and
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  Eventually couches when I burn couches.
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  And then eventually my car when I was building my site.
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  So we really know how to like build and make things with like
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  a bootstrap budget and it's awesome because like we're we've
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  got the most effective span. So someone comes in and they're
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  like, you know, my last guys charge me 2,500 bucks.
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  Dude, we can come and get the same results for 700 and it's
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  just awesome. How long ago was this when you
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  were kind of struggling a little bit?
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  Like how many years ago was this?
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  Oh no, I wasn't even years ago, man.
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  Recently fun. I was living.
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  Yeah, we're good. It was interesting.
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  I dropped out of school and I just really wasn't.
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  I didn't like what I was at. I was studying the words of
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  others couldn't be creative. And oftentimes the professor's
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  were just blatantly wrong. Like they would say the opposite
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  of the truth. I was like, all right, I gotta
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  get out of here and so I dropped out and I had no money.
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  I had seven dollars and I started playing some poker.
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  And I ended up having 60 bucks and then I started doing odd
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  jobs and just grind it out. And I got a couple apartments
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  couple businesses and it just comes down to whether or not you
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  want it. You can you can you can do
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  anything you want with the limited time we have here
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  because I thought that's quite a short space of time.
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  So we're talking you three months ago, you're not this
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  position. Like what's been the major
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  change or shift in that period? Is it just like a lot of clients
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  and you know as you say, you build on top of that or What's
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  been the major difference? The major change?
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  Yeah. The iteration I think that just
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  the fact that time has passed and it's given us more time to
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  Iron out our systems and figure out who we are and truly, what
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  value we provide. And then it's just cranking and
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  go from there. Because basically, when we build
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  our site, we build our funnels, then we and we get one customer,
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  we don't just get one customer. We get that customer over the
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  span of their life, and that entire person's Network.
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  And it's not just for the service, they booked we can
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  cross sell them all of our services.
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  So it's been we've been able Able to utilize that Network
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  effect in grow tremendously quick and you know, the actually
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  two quick at a certain time. We're getting too many bookings
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  to satisfy all of them. It was like, this is a good
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  problem to have. Absolutely.
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  So what exactly is your role at runtime Consulting?
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  Because as I understand yeah, like your works of services is
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  your main sort of thing but this is like a A cocoa deal.
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  So what your main responsibility is there, how does it differ?
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  Yes, I'm I'm out here. Trying to find people who need
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  stuff that we're capable of doing for them and then meeting
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  those expectations at the best rates.
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  So basically someone comes to me and it's been cool but haven't
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  really awesome conversation with guys who are building really
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  cool things. And that's part of the reason
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  why I did. I love the startup domain and
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  we're corporate enough where, you know, we're building work
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  into more legitimate, but I love the beginning phases.
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  So, part of the reason, probably the main reason, Reason why I
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  end up doing because I need that I need to be back at the start,
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  you know, and so helping people, you know, get up in the air and
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  get going is the main thing. What I do I'm having a lot of
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  conversations figuring out what people need and we've got great
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  guys. When it comes to web dev and
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  marketing and all that. So just kind of like showing
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  them what the client wants and then you know, managing the
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  project through or you know, delegating the responsibility
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  for have someone to manage the project and we're just looking
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  to basically Do things a lot better through a better
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  perspective of someone who has done this for the loads for
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  cheap. You know, no one can do what
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  we've done for the price at which we've done it for and
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  that's and that's powerful. And like we've learned all these
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  little things, all these little growth hack moments that are
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  essentially free, but the, you know, they just take the the
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  time. So, if we can find, we can get
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  the processes down for these companies and then hire out
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  utilize the underutilized, maybe the undergrads that are
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  extremely knowledgeable in these domains.
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  But, you know, they're not, They're not as valuable.
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  When it comes to an hourly table, 20 an hour and they can
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  do great things and they're entirely remote, everyone's
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  content and more than content. So what's your vetting process
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  for Consultants? Because from what it sounds
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  like, they'll working directly for you.
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  They're working. Like, with you.
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  Obviously, you have to kind of look at like, well is this
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  person gonna flat what they offering, you know, excetera.
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  Like so, how do you decide that basically in the beginning, we
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  only have a few clients right now, so we've got 33 clients
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  right now. So Mike Team consists of
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  everyone who's done things for me.
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  So that's basically the vetting process is like I know that they
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  what they can do because they've done it, you know, not too long
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  ago for me specifically, but when it comes to finding other
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  Talent, that's going to be an interesting thing.
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  And what I might do is I might have them do something or figure
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  out, you know, some sort of thing for either me or someone
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  I'm close to you. So that maybe if something does
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  go wrong, it's not as a serious thing than if it was a
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  legitimate. So if I'm testing, someone out
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  will do toes in the water before we just jump.
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  Pin and say you know, here's a 50,000 dollar web development go
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  ahead and do it again you know, so consistent the sensibly.
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  Yeah, it does make me wonder. Actually I remember what for one
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  company and because I've always been involved in the marketing.
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  A company that's more my area. And it really frustrating me
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  because, you know, they were this big International Company.
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  Some money wasn't an issue and You know, let's say I wanted
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  some basic copyright in content services in the industry, some
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  companies charge a lot. I mean there's there's companies
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  that charge anywhere from 1,000 to 3,000 dollars per Article
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  crazy and yeah and but this is the thing like because I do
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  freelance writing myself and I charge a very low rate just
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  based on experience and because I've only been doing it, like,
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  two or three years now, but I also kind of try and be fair
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  with their butt. I've kind of understood over the
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  years that like the price is very reflective of the quality
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  that is being delivered, right? And I sort of experience that
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  the hard way when I was in that role, because we, for whatever
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  it wasn't, my decision, but our team decided to get, like,
• 18:54
  really cheap freelance writers. And oh, my God, that's the
• 18:59
  thing. I was the editor at the time, so
• 19:01
  we have this stuff in and I had to fix it and I was like, this
• 19:05
  just isn't worth the time. That's like, So it's getting
• 19:11
  yeah, that you do that, you vent.
• 19:13
  That is very important. We're definitely looking for
• 19:16
  some blog content to. I've been something we've been
• 19:18
  blessed and recently so that we should keep in contact with
• 19:21
  comes to that. Yes, hit me up.
• 19:22
  I need what. But this isn't about me.
• 19:25
  Moving it up in your opinion. How important is social media
• 19:31
  for modern business? And why?
• 19:32
  Now I know this is a really obvious question to ask, but the
• 19:34
  reason I'm asking it is because I like to get a very specific
• 19:38
  Ponce from someone who's actually doing it, like, I know
• 19:40
  the importance of social media, so do you, but maybe our
• 19:43
  audience doesn't know people that aren't involved to tell us
• 19:45
  why it's so important in this day and age?
• 19:47
  Yeah, it's everything. The reaches everything, if you
• 19:50
  can, if you can just go out and spew your mission, your people
• 19:54
  are going to come to you. You're not going to have to
• 19:55
  actively seek them out back in the day, you had to run around
• 19:58
  here to talk to people need to shake their hands.
• 20:00
  He had to say, who are you? You know, do you belong our
• 20:02
  organization? Now, they come to you, they run
• 20:05
  to you. They say damn dude.
• 20:07
  I see what you're up to, and I fucking want.
• 20:08
  I want that for myself and my people like how can I do it?
• 20:11
  And then if you're out here, providing value, you're going to
• 20:13
  get that back times 10. And a lot of people are too
• 20:16
  worried about. Oh, you know, maybe I'll expend
• 20:19
  the slightest bit of effort and then it won't come back to me
• 20:21
  immediately. It's like, well, you know, go
• 20:23
  out there and Inspire and these people will come to you in
• 20:27
  droves. I think that's a generational
• 20:30
  thing as well because like our generation the generation before
• 20:33
  us, I would feel kind of understand that, like things
• 20:36
  don't just you know. Happen like that in life, it
• 20:40
  takes some time, you know, just to let things sit and then grow
• 20:44
  at it. Like, for instance, I've been
• 20:45
  doing this podcast since let's say July of last year and it's
• 20:50
  very slowly beginning to turn into something, but it takes
• 20:54
  time. Like I think it'll take a couple
• 20:56
  of years, probably before it really gets it turns into
• 20:59
  something but that's good. That's what you want because I
• 21:03
  think you need to learn lessons over time and also I think it
• 21:07
  just takes time to kind of Fact, the right model, the might
• 21:10
  approach, whatever the case may be.
• 21:13
  And yeah, it's the same is true of social media.
• 21:15
  I mean, like, when I first started using social media, I
• 21:18
  did it a particular way. One of the biggest lessons I
• 21:20
  learned is that every single platform has a totally different
• 21:24
  approach. So, like food.
• 21:27
  Let's say that Twitter and Reddit or better for connecting
• 21:30
  with people as and my networking, whereas, you know,
• 21:34
  Facebook is good for just throwing content out there.
• 21:36
  If I don't know why, but it just gets views Apparently, if you
• 21:39
  just use loader hashtags and then things like YouTube is
• 21:43
  interesting because it's like, you know, everyone talks about
• 21:46
  this algorithm, like it's the Holy Grail but it doesn't
• 21:49
  necessarily work that way for every correct Creator, it's
• 21:51
  like, you know, but there is even an SEO elements of that and
• 21:55
  which is quite interesting. But yeah.
• 21:57
  Obviously I completely agree with.
• 21:59
  You is very important, but it's made life a whole lot easier.
• 22:01
  But one thing I do want to add to this, which I think you sort
• 22:04
  of touched on. But I think is very important is
• 22:06
  that a lot of people are very And about, you know, oh, I need
• 22:10
  to go for like a standard job. I need to work for a company.
• 22:13
  I need to be this blob of, but let me tell you something.
• 22:17
  I've got a degree in three years worth of experience, and I've
• 22:20
  said this before, to my listeners, but maybe not
• 22:23
  everyone on the podcast knows. You know, I've been unemployed
• 22:25
  for the last year and I've just been like freelancing and
• 22:28
  putting on my time in this. And I can tell you that most of
• 22:32
  the companies that I speak to on a daily basis about potentially
• 22:35
  working. There are clueless, you know,
• 22:37
  they just don't Stand, what's really important in marketing?
• 22:40
  They like, well, you know, you need 5 years experience.
• 22:43
  And you need, you need experience with this PPC and
• 22:46
  there's Facebook advertising and blah, blah, blah.
• 22:48
  And it's like, do you know what? That's all great.
• 22:50
  But that doesn't necessarily mean that that stuff is actually
• 22:53
  useful for your specific company.
• 22:56
  And like, whenever like, whenever I come into a new
• 22:58
  company or any time I work with a new client, the first thing I
• 23:02
  do is go wash your cell block. What's, what tools are we using?
• 23:05
  What's the format in blah? Blah, blah?
• 23:07
  Because if Don't do that. You can't kind of figure out
• 23:11
  what to do and just because something works, you know, for a
• 23:14
  different industry, a different company that you work with,
• 23:16
  doesn't mean it's going to work for this new one.
• 23:18
  Like you have to approach it with a fresh slate each time.
• 23:21
  So I don't know. I think, I think there is a
• 23:24
  little bit of growth. Some people are beginning to
• 23:27
  wake up and smell the coffee, but there's still a lot of
• 23:29
  people caught in the old ways of marketing that think.
• 23:32
  Oh, this is how it is, and that's how it is.
• 23:34
  And it's like, I'll be back for two knees have been so,
• 23:37
  Arbitrage doubt it. It's the non traditional routes
• 23:39
  that are really going to give you the greatest bang for your
• 23:41
  buck. It's going to be the content
• 23:43
  marketing. It's going to be the just you
• 23:45
  providing value and collecting traffic and not, not for the
• 23:50
  pure, you know, throwing up. Oh, this is this is our offer.
• 23:52
  But just showing people who you are, what you're about, what you
• 23:55
  can do and then they'll do actionable steps.
• 23:59
  And I think that's, that's what we're headed.
• 24:00
  And that's what a lot of companies will see.
• 24:02
  You know, Facebook ads will be a thing of the past shorter than
• 24:05
  we realize. I think it already is, you know,
• 24:08
  every time Fuse Facebook ads, both on a corporate level or for
• 24:11
  personal uses. It never works and they screw
• 24:14
  you. I'm sorry, I sound like a broken
• 24:16
  record for my listeners because I've complained about Facebook
• 24:18
  before but you know, all in the past year, here's something
• 24:22
  interesting, right? I've been sort of experimenting
• 24:25
  with Facebook. I don't take it as seriously but
• 24:27
  I have kind of noticed that you need to put content on there.
• 24:29
  It's like it's just it's a waste if you don't you might as well
• 24:33
  use the platform but I've noticed that there's been
• 24:36
  massive organic growth on some of the Content.
• 24:39
  I can't really explain why. The only thing I can say is that
• 24:42
  I think it comes down to the hashtag thing that I mentioned,
• 24:45
  but every time I use Facebook ads pretty much every time they
• 24:48
  do the same thing, like, if you lay out a 7-Day ad campaign.
• 24:53
  For example, they'll spend your money in the last three days,
• 24:57
  really, in effectively. And there, they might not even
• 24:59
  necessarily use the full amount and in what they won't work.
• 25:02
  It won't give you anything because what you're trying to
• 25:04
  achieve you trying to get, right?
• 25:05
  That's what you want, clicks and leads and Or conversion, sorry,
• 25:10
  that's what you really want. But that won't necessarily
• 25:13
  happened because while they might be trying to, you know,
• 25:16
  give you those leads, that doesn't mean that, they'll be
• 25:18
  good leads or where you're actually looking for.
• 25:21
  And that's the frustrating thing about Facebook and Facebook ads.
• 25:23
  I think, as you said, I think it, I think it already is a
• 25:26
  thing of the past. I think it's just a matter of
• 25:27
  time before they just close it and go.
• 25:28
  Okay. Let's put our money in something
• 25:30
  else. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:33
  I'm thinking that there's just a lot better routes you know, when
• 25:36
  I when it comes to it organic Traffic is it paid reaches you
• 25:41
  know it's just it paid reaches something that the Titans will
• 25:45
  use till the end of time. You know, the guys who have a
• 25:47
  billion dollars, they'll come in and they'll throw like, you
• 25:50
  know, 10 20 million into stuff like this no problem.
• 25:52
  They'll be shown to a lot of people but guess what?
• 25:55
  They're all competing with each other.
• 25:56
  Just be less effective. As time goes by, and it's going
• 25:58
  to be so expensive. It's not gonna be worth it.
• 26:01
  The slightest like you're saying right now, that could be the
• 26:03
  case. It's weird to me.
• 26:05
  I mean with, with Facebook, They do everything they can to try
• 26:11
  and hide your organic reach Hydra traffic like they did a
• 26:14
  thing about five or ten years ago.
• 26:16
  Where if you have a Facebook page to try and do the thing
• 26:18
  where they kind of like hide you from the result so that people
• 26:21
  can't see you. And you have to like click and
• 26:23
  say like oh I'm actually following this page and then you
• 26:26
  can see the stuff like they, you know, they know what they're
• 26:28
  doing and it's their website, they can do what they want, but
• 26:30
  it just means that if you're a business owner or content
• 26:33
  creator, or you try to do anything, then you're just less
• 26:35
  likely to want to do anything with Facebook, so they're just
• 26:37
  shooting themselves in the foot. What you were saying about ad
• 26:40
  spend? Yeah I mean if you take like a
• 26:43
  company like Coca-Cola and they spend like hundreds of millions
• 26:46
  every year on advertising and like it on one hand, I kind of
• 26:51
  get it in the sense that like you know it keeps their name out
• 26:54
  there. I mean Coca-Cola is everywhere,
• 26:56
  you know, it's still very popular, it's drunk by everyone
• 26:59
  even though we know that it's really bad for you, you know.
• 27:01
  But then so many other things are life.
• 27:04
  But at the same time I do wonder about I'm like, well, if you
• 27:08
  would just Just half that or stop spending as much.
• 27:11
  I people aren't just going to forget about Coke, but then
• 27:13
  again, maybe they will over time, you don't know, like, I
• 27:17
  almost feel like they're they're caught in their own circle, like
• 27:19
  if they stop, then there's a risk if they keep doing it,
• 27:23
  there's the risk of financial. Yeah.
• 27:26
  Because it's the label. Yeah, the results you won't
• 27:29
  really know the results until you know, the future.
• 27:31
  So it's like, if you stop doing something now, maybe it's like
• 27:35
  fine. And it means you're saving
• 27:36
  money, but maybe it means you're cutting into Your sales and your
• 27:39
  won't that won't be able to be decided until you know the
• 27:44
  numbers come in. And that's like the things that
• 27:46
  kind of makes decisions to keep things going, steady in the
• 27:51
  present and in the future, I think that's like to have
• 27:53
  foresight and have the ability to still be actionable in the
• 27:58
  moment. That's that's what like
• 27:59
  distinguishes like, true Innovative leader and like
• 28:02
  another schmuck who's just a boring manager like that.
• 28:05
  You got to have that that forward-looking and And even if
• 28:09
  you're wrong, just think just having that perspective that you
• 28:13
  know, this to something we're building towards into the future
• 28:15
  and we're not just worried about maintaining what we have.
• 28:18
  Now I think that's just people around, you can see that they
• 28:22
  can sense it and if you thinking Breathe It, others will follow.
• 28:27
  What was the last thing on the just?
• 28:29
  What we're talking about? I think that is important is
• 28:31
  that, you know, it's all about branding, you know, and like
• 28:35
  with Coca-Cola. So you want about them spending
• 28:38
  crazy amounts of You, but they're always putting that
• 28:40
  money into The Branding creating a story.
• 28:42
  That's why they're so successful.
• 28:44
  Because whenever you watch a Coca-Cola advert, it has nothing
• 28:47
  to do with the coke. They probably won't.
• 28:48
  Even say here's a Coke, it will be like, oh we're spreading our
• 28:51
  message of happiness and you know, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 28:54
  and it works, it really does. But with Facebook, I mean,
• 28:57
  they've only just started in the last couple of years to do
• 29:00
  Facebook advertising as in televised advert on the
• 29:03
  television, which blows my mind. I mean, the people.
• 29:06
  Yeah. It's like people go why they're
• 29:12
  not making as much money as they could.
• 29:14
  Why they're not worth more, it's because of stuff like that.
• 29:16
  They spend all their time and efforts on the system itself,
• 29:21
  which is important and maybe they don't care.
• 29:24
  I mean, they probably own so much from ad Revenue that I
• 29:26
  don't give two shits but at the same time, it's like, yeah, they
• 29:29
  do. Platforms like that.
• 29:33
  It's like it's the same thing. Like I was saying, they're too
• 29:35
  worried about maintaining and they're not focused on building.
• 29:37
  Like if Facebook Facebook is gonna die, right?
• 29:40
  It reason why they're gonna die is because they're spending
• 29:43
  money on lobbyists and trying to, you know, push back on
• 29:47
  change rather than push forward on it.
• 29:49
  And it's like, you're not going to go anywhere if you try to
• 29:52
  fight what what's going on and it's like, you gotta, you gotta
• 29:56
  keep up with the times, not even that spearheaded like what I see
• 30:00
  is social media platforms. Snapchat, you know, LinkedIn
• 30:04
  Clubhouse, all these little niches, they're just going to
• 30:06
  take Facebook and they're going to fucking rip it apart.
• 30:09
  You're gonna, they're going to tear them into their each
• 30:11
  component. You know, there's going to be a
• 30:12
  messenger app, that's not Facebook.
• 30:14
  There's going to be a, you know, photo sharing app, that isn't
• 30:17
  Instagram. And there's gonna, it's just
• 30:19
  people don't like authoritarian dictatorship in.
• 30:23
  It's as simple as that, sucker perks, being a dictator.
• 30:25
  And, you know, I think the free people of the world will get
• 30:28
  together and say, enough is enough, we're done with it and
• 30:31
  that's going Happen. And I think it's going to be
• 30:34
  pretty powerful to see. It's interesting actually as
• 30:37
  we've speaking today, I just saw is trending on Twitter.
• 30:40
  The Bebo is going to make a comeback.
• 30:43
  If you remember what Bebo is I'll just explain for those
• 30:46
  listening that that probably a bit too young.
• 30:49
  So before Facebook and before Myspace, if you remember that
• 30:53
  there was bbob Bob was one of the first.
• 30:56
  I think there was a few others fiver bunch of.
• 30:59
  I don't know. The whatever crap ones, they
• 31:01
  probably, I don't know. If they're still around but
• 31:02
  Beaver was like the very, very first and it died, a relative
• 31:07
  death, a few years back and it just wasn't as popular but it
• 31:11
  was. Okay.
• 31:11
  You know my space. Did it better and then they
• 31:14
  died. But the guy Tom Anderson who
• 31:16
  sold it was laughing because he sold it at the peak of their
• 31:19
  popularity and then they destroyed the website.
• 31:22
  And then he was like, well I got my million.
• 31:24
  So I don't care. And then obviously, Zuckerberg
• 31:26
  sorte, que Facebook, and this is why I kind of partially agree.
• 31:31
  Although The thing about Facebook is that it's had such a
• 31:34
  long, strong hold, and it's such a big part of society.
• 31:38
  Now that, I don't know necessarily that you could all
• 31:41
  together. Get rid of it.
• 31:44
  Although maybe, as you say, more companies might come in and get
• 31:47
  a market share, that's definitely plausible.
• 31:50
  And Paul still use their Facebook account to log into
• 31:53
  stuff, but they're not going to be using it to communicate with
• 31:55
  family members or friends or classmates.
• 31:58
  You know, there's going to be other stuff for that, but they
• 32:00
  might use the, you know, the stuff that isn't as important,
• 32:05
  but when it comes to data protection, you know, they're at
• 32:07
  their butting heads with apple right now and it's just not,
• 32:11
  it's not something that the consumer.
• 32:14
  Would really want to be in the involved in like, as a guy who
• 32:19
  maybe does like a lot of stuff on the internet that if people
• 32:23
  had access to it, they could use it to their advantage to, you
• 32:27
  know, maybe compete with us, or whatever and other stuff.
• 32:29
  But, you know, it's hard to trust, especially, it's hard to
• 32:32
  trust the faceless organization like like Facebook and
• 32:37
  especially the leader like Zuckerberg, you know, he hit
• 32:40
  him, he has the power to basically sign.
• 32:43
  It's people at will he can just say this person no longer gets
• 32:46
  reach and it's kind of hard when someone has that much power.
• 32:51
  So that's why this going to need to.
• 32:52
  If there's going to have to be competition among social media
• 32:54
  platforms, otherwise there's going to be no free speech.
• 32:57
  It's interesting. You brought up free speech
• 32:59
  because obviously recently, you know, they made the decision to
• 33:04
  block Donald Trump off all social media platforms.
• 33:07
  And you know, I made a quick video about it.
• 33:10
  But you know, I wasn't really sure where I sit on the debate
• 33:13
  because On one hand, is it good to silence this guy?
• 33:17
  He talks a lot of shit. A lot of the shit that he talks
• 33:20
  about Riles people and it causes bad stuff and Society.
• 33:24
  So in that sense, I just it's good.
• 33:27
  Yeah. But the other said to me, makes
• 33:29
  any sense. It just doesn't make sense.
• 33:43
  So now you're saying that you have to go through the mutti the
• 33:46
  media. So even if you don't agree with
• 33:48
  what he's saying, you should be able to access that information
• 33:50
  so that you know what he's saying.
• 33:52
  But if you say that okay, you know, you can't have this social
• 33:54
  media where you can directly communicate with your audience.
• 33:57
  Now, you're gonna have to go through these fucking.
• 33:59
  Everyone knows how the media is, they're Liars, they're cheaters,
• 34:02
  they're thieves. They get paid off by certain
• 34:05
  organizations political parties, so it's like, well, now we're
• 34:07
  going to get this skewed information.
• 34:09
  And it's like, you should always, always always listens,
• 34:12
  literally, You know, inside anything basically saying like
• 34:16
  oh let's go and like Rob people or kill them or directly cause
• 34:20
  I'm like if they're if there's a direct threat to an individual
• 34:23
  or group of people, then perhaps maybe you start to discuss
• 34:26
  taking away their privileges. But when it comes down to, you
• 34:29
  know, silencing the leader of the Free World on every single
• 34:31
  platform. I think that's just egregious.
• 34:33
  And I think that's just, it's a it kind of shows you that
• 34:37
  they're scary times that we're in and it gets trendy, you know,
• 34:41
  the fact that every single platform basically did this
• 34:43
  Shows you that they're all in cahoots and that's not a good
• 34:46
  sign at all. Yeah, and it's funny, like, I've
• 34:49
  actually I received what they call a community strike on
• 34:53
  YouTube for discussing, I think it was, was it that queuing on
• 34:58
  thing? And you know, that that
• 35:00
  conspiracy theory thing with that strong pot, what was the
• 35:03
  topic, what we see is it was literally curing on and Donald
• 35:06
  Trump and basically, it was a short clip that was taken from a
• 35:10
  podcast that I had with another guest.
• 35:13
  Now, I reviewed it again, because you talked about a lot
• 35:16
  of stuff in two hours, I couldn't remember. what I said,
• 35:18
  but basically, I looked it looked over and it would just
• 35:20
  literally, it was just like, oh, I don't really know much about
• 35:23
  this and the other guy explains and then I say, oh, here's what
• 35:25
  I know, and that's basically it and they blocked the clip and
• 35:32
  gave me a strike and they put it on under harassment and
• 35:36
  cyberbullying, and this is the thing now, Going back to what
• 35:42
  you said before. Well, I don't agree in
• 35:47
  supporting you, no hatred and all of these things in society.
• 35:51
  I think it's much better to not support that person.
• 35:55
  Not to fully block them but to not support them.
• 35:57
  Like for example, if someone is a racist like openly in society,
• 36:01
  what happens, no one people challenge them or people, just
• 36:04
  don't follow them, cancel them. Whatever that seems like a much
• 36:07
  better approach then trying to impede on Free Speech.
• 36:11
  Because I've said this before in previous videos, that one Start
• 36:15
  saying what people can and can't say that's a slippery road
• 36:18
  because eventually it's going to get to an extreme point where we
• 36:21
  literally cannot say anything. Like I was just talking about
• 36:25
  something it's just a conversation who the fuck away.
• 36:27
  Why do people care? You know, I mean what why is it
• 36:29
  such a big problem? Why why do you hide the other
• 36:33
  interests ideas are dangerous to the the status quo to the people
• 36:37
  who don't want things to be changed?
• 36:39
  And then when you start to realize like and I've read a lot
• 36:42
  of basically just Just atrocities of history.
• 36:47
  And you see this, the individual gets demonized and and the
• 36:52
  basically the ability to speak as the first thing to go because
• 36:55
  when you can't speak, then you can't defend your thoughts and
• 36:57
  ideas. If you can't defend your
• 36:58
  thoughts and ideas, it's easy for you to be vilified.
• 37:00
  It's easy to be demonized and that's what they're going to do.
• 37:02
  They're going to say, hey, look at these creators.
• 37:03
  These people though, they're not creators, they're actually
• 37:06
  thieves. They're stealing from you.
• 37:07
  They're taking your productive value that should.
• 37:09
  And then they'll say oh if you try to speak out against these
• 37:12
  These People Media guess what, you can't speak out against
• 37:15
  Because, whatever, you know, we got can spell compelled speech
• 37:18
  laws that say that you can't speak out against these
• 37:20
  government programs. You can't speak out against this
• 37:22
  person or whatever, because it's dangerous or you're causing
• 37:25
  issues. And it's like, well, you know,
• 37:27
  no one, no one has the right to police my tongue, but my own
• 37:30
  mind, and that's what it comes down to.
• 37:32
  And that's like, as an American. That's something that, you know,
• 37:34
  I'm willing to fight for and it's something that's slipping
• 37:37
  and it's, it's we see it happening every day not only in
• 37:42
  the cancel culture but literally letter let like This legislation
• 37:45
  is being drafted and, you know, up in Canada.
• 37:51
  There's literally competitive compelled, speech, laws, you can
• 37:53
  be fine. You can be thrown into prison
• 37:55
  for saying words that other people don't like and it's like
• 37:57
  for that to happen here in America, I'm sorry but that will
• 38:00
  never happen because if you try to, if you try to take the our
• 38:05
  first amendment away, You're basically saying that we have no
• 38:07
  rights and then if you say that, then guess what bullets are
• 38:10
  flying? Because there's certain lines
• 38:12
  that you cannot cross and it's like people that Wait for, you
• 38:16
  know, doing away with free speech or doing away with the
• 38:19
  ability to defend yourself. They're advocating for a
• 38:22
  bloodbath. They're advocating for blood on
• 38:23
  the streets that advocating for Neighbors, killing neighbors.
• 38:26
  Because if you're going to say, you know, you can't say these
• 38:29
  things. Well, I'm sorry I can and I'm
• 38:31
  going to do things to protect, not only my interest when it
• 38:35
  comes to Liberty, but the lit the interest of my descendants
• 38:38
  and my kids kids because I was granted the freedom to live in
• 38:41
  such a land to build, such crazy shit and there's no way in hell.
• 38:44
  I'm going to Hand over the torch of Liberty, you know, burnt out
• 38:48
  and it seems like that's what we're going to do in this next
• 38:51
  generation and it's quite disgusting to see that no one
• 38:54
  seems to really care that we just we just kind of let it
• 38:57
  happen. See, that's where I disagree of
• 39:00
  your little bit. I feel like, yeah, many people
• 39:04
  are complacent and they don't necessarily act, but I don't
• 39:07
  think a lot of people necessarily know what's going
• 39:09
  on. Like, for example, if we see
• 39:11
  what's going on in the stock market's right now with the
• 39:13
  hedge fund, and So the the GameStop hedge fund and is
• 39:18
  basically read it versus Wall Street right now.
• 39:23
  The thing is that I had to look into because I know a little bit
• 39:25
  about trading but I didn't understand fully what was going
• 39:27
  on. Now I've understood perfectly
• 39:30
  and it's a you understand The media's Narrative of what's
• 39:33
  going on. That's not actually what's going
• 39:34
  on though that's the thing. Know that this the thing the
• 39:37
  media is full of shit. We know this but what's actually
• 39:39
  happening is and it's / is / under trading because the
• 39:44
  trading industry is massively regulates one of the most
• 39:47
  heavily regulated Industries in the world and it should be
• 39:50
  because over the years, you know, People have tried Traders,
• 39:54
  have tried all sorts of things, are things like insider trading
• 39:57
  and they still to this day, they try to do that, you know, it's
• 40:00
  and that should be illegal, it's not fair.
• 40:02
  If you look at it as a competitive sport, just for
• 40:04
  argument sake, it would be the same as like someone taking
• 40:07
  performance-enhancing drugs. It's the same principle, it
• 40:10
  should be, everyone should have a Level Playing Field.
• 40:12
  Right now. What those redditors did is they
• 40:16
  decided we're going to buy up on this hedge fund a lot.
• 40:19
  And that what will that will mean is that it's going to
• 40:21
  affect those Wall Street. People and they're going to lose
• 40:24
  a lot of money in that, that's the Crux of what has happened.
• 40:28
  But as you said, the media is spinning at a different way.
• 40:31
  And now somehow the government is getting involved and that I'm
• 40:34
  looking at the situation like this should be eye-opening for
• 40:38
  everyone. This should show you exactly the
• 40:41
  sort of problems that we have. There are inherent in society
• 40:45
  because like trading is a very clear thing.
• 40:49
  You know, if you if and Robin Hood the app blocked people's
• 40:53
  It's keep buying on that and that tells you everything you
• 40:55
  need to know, what, why they blocking it.
• 40:57
  What why can't why can't we buy anymore?
• 40:59
  Nothing is the law has not been broken.
• 41:02
  It's just affecting certain people in society and those
• 41:05
  people are protected by certain organizations, governments Etc.
• 41:09
  And that's the problem. That's what they don't want you
• 41:11
  to know. Yeah that's the way they act as
• 41:14
  if capitalism the is the issue. So, we don't here in America and
• 41:18
  here literally, anywhere in the world.
• 41:19
  Listen, capitalism is not even occurring.
• 41:21
  It is all crony. It's all All bullshit is all,
• 41:24
  you know, you got to have your money in this government Man's
• 41:26
  Pocket, to get this contractor, this and that, and it's so
• 41:29
  inefficient. And there's all of this nonsense
• 41:31
  going on. And it's, it's actually the
• 41:34
  exact opposite of a free market. And people blame the markets
• 41:37
  when the markets solve everything, the markets will
• 41:40
  lead to efficiency. The problem arises.
• 41:42
  When you have these bad eggs that are taking bribes that are
• 41:44
  taking, you know, the lobbyists that are pushing through these
• 41:48
  things and it's like, this is not in the best interest of the
• 41:50
  people is in the best interest of your constituents.
• 41:53
  What if we find, someone who is corrupt these days?
• 41:56
  We don't Tarn feather them, we don't pour boiling oil on them,
• 41:59
  humiliate them and drag them through the streets.
• 42:01
  We just, you know, give them a slap on the back and say, man,
• 42:03
  you know, run for office next year and we'll select you what
• 42:07
  it's like the the biggest fear of politicians should have, is
• 42:11
  screwing over his constituents, should because he should fear
• 42:13
  going home at night in this house is on fire because he
• 42:15
  stole from someone because like when it comes down to is there's
• 42:18
  a certain line like there's from time to time the blood of the,
• 42:21
  the tree of Liberty must be watered.
• 42:22
  With the blood of tyrants and there's a lot of tyrants right
• 42:25
  now. There's a lot of times
• 42:26
  especially here in Chicago, Lori Lightfoot, the mayor of Chicago
• 42:30
  is shutting down the economy, increasing taxes and then she's
• 42:33
  just running around like just screwing people left and right
• 42:37
  and she claims power that basically you know she's
• 42:41
  probably been elected in faulty ways and there's corruption that
• 42:46
  runs since the beginning of this city and it's just disgusting.
• 42:49
  See these people don't do anything.
• 42:50
  They're parasites. Everyone in government.
• 42:53
  Is a parasite and they're hosting their, like, we're the
• 42:56
  host and they're feasting off of our blood, and it sucks, because
• 42:59
  if we were to keep all of our income and the government were
• 43:02
  to see a dime, over the world would be a much better place, a
• 43:04
  much better place. What do you make of Dogecoin?
• 43:12
  I think any alternative means of transaction other than the
• 43:15
  United States, the United States dollar or any of the banking
• 43:17
  issue. I think it's good because the
• 43:19
  last that they can see the less transparency when it when it
• 43:22
  comes to the U.s. government being able to audit individuals
• 43:25
  and see where, you know, funds are going the better.
• 43:29
  I don't know. Dogecoin specifically.
• 43:30
  I know that it's kind of like a meme stock and I that's probably
• 43:33
  why it's surging this Christos and whatnot.
• 43:37
  You so what's happened with it is?
• 43:38
  Originally, it started as you say like a meme of joke, kind of
• 43:42
  thing, but because of everything that's happening.
• 43:45
  And what they're trying to do with the markets, people,
• 43:49
  everyone's decided to just buy it.
• 43:51
  Yeah. Like I've always wanted to get
• 43:53
  Involved with cryptocurrency because that's that's the future
• 43:55
  people. If you're not realizing that now
• 43:57
  I don't know how to help you but sometime in the next 20 to 50
• 44:03
  years you're going to see currencies go and things like
• 44:06
  cryptocurrency be the new you know former that's my neck
• 44:09
  started. We're going to do a really cool
• 44:11
  thing. We're going to be tokenized,
• 44:13
  inequity in startups so that they can do micro distributions
• 44:17
  of shares. So you can tip your in turn into
• 44:19
  dollars worth of shares, you know, or whatever.
• 44:21
  And you can do vested interest over time and not have to have
• 44:25
  an expensive stock option program.
• 44:27
  Not have to be a publicly traded and not have to have accredited
• 44:31
  investors to come in and purchase up.
• 44:33
  You know, someone don't have 200 g, they can have a hundred bucks
• 44:36
  and they can come in and they buy a portion of your company
• 44:38
  and rather than raising debt. You can raise, you could sell
• 44:41
  equity. And that way you're not putting
• 44:42
  yourself at any long-term risk when it when it comes to, you
• 44:47
  know, having to meet the needs of the the debt and whatnot.
• 44:53
  Always buy back the shares or whatever.
• 44:55
  That's something. We're looking towards building
• 44:57
  to. I think crypto is just like
• 44:58
  going to be the platform for everything when it comes down to
• 45:01
  blockchain and just kind of that sort of vibe of things.
• 45:05
  I think, as people figure out its place in society, it will
• 45:08
  just, it will just take over every where it belongs.
• 45:11
  And it'll come fast. Yeah, this companies that I've
• 45:13
  worked with that use blockchain as a system in order to
• 45:17
  facilitate their stuff. So there was one company I work
• 45:20
  with that basically. I understand, they had some sort
• 45:24
  of psychic kyc verification system.
• 45:28
  So, what that means is, if you're involved with
• 45:30
  professional trading, it's a way of So a verifying if not going
• 45:40
  to put this, what's the name Brokers are, you know, reputable
• 45:45
  or not? If you should work with them,
• 45:46
  blah, blah, blah, and you have them all within this one
• 45:49
  platform and you can sort of verify that so that what this
• 45:52
  company was actually doing was using Block Chain in order to
• 45:55
  facilitate that particular system, which just blew my mind.
• 45:58
  Like, I understand that on a, on a basic level but the capability
• 46:02
  of that is amazing. Particularly in terms of Of
• 46:06
  security, you know, like we said, like you said, you know,
• 46:08
  these companies like Facebook Google and they have all our
• 46:11
  data are, you know for me I'm kind of forced to use these
• 46:15
  platforms if as being a content creator if you know if I didn't
• 46:20
  if I had an option I would certainly use it and I do as
• 46:24
  much as I can. I try to put you know my stuff
• 46:27
  on as many platforms as possible and and and try and do it that
• 46:30
  way. But you know, it's the main
• 46:33
  platforms, the ones that everyone are on and everyone
• 46:35
  Zooms unfortunately, owned by these companies.
• 46:39
  So, going back to what we originally said before with
• 46:41
  these new Niche companies, I think everyone is going to start
• 46:44
  to embrace their more once, they understand what is actually
• 46:46
  going on and you know what's possible with like blockchain
• 46:50
  and cryptocurrency and all these other different things, you
• 46:52
  know, it's just, it's more about understanding.
• 46:54
  If you have the information and you know how it works and you
• 46:57
  know, the potential then sky's the limit.
• 47:01
  I just think when it comes down to the such a low barrier to
• 47:04
  enter, when it comes to building, these platforms are
• 47:06
  being like a web-based application that it's just going
• 47:08
  to be so individualized. There's going to be a treat like
• 47:10
  a sports card trading community that has its own app and it
• 47:15
  sounds like there's going to be everything audit and it's not
• 47:17
  going to be Facebook. It's going to be you know, oh
• 47:19
  well I want to go look at whatever my interest is.
• 47:22
  I'll go specifically to this app and then when you're done with
• 47:25
  that you can go over there and then could really curate your
• 47:27
  day as opposed to a bunch of jargon in a mess.
• 47:31
  Of nonsense. Because what I figured is there
• 47:34
  should be a better way to have your interests, be displayed to
• 47:38
  you and not in a feed manner, whereas it's coming from a bunch
• 47:42
  of guys that you might know, but you don't really have the same,
• 47:46
  you know, interests and stuff with their basically.
• 47:49
  We're trying to find a way to like a customizable board with
• 47:53
  like, 14 different links that you might be interested in and
• 47:57
  they're all different types of content.
• 48:01
  And just have a different way to Cole a different way to curate,
• 48:04
  different way to display, rather than that feed because that feed
• 48:09
  thing, I don't like it because it's endless, you know, and it's
• 48:12
  one of those things where it's like well what if we just did
• 48:15
  here, the 14 best things that you could be putting into your
• 48:17
  head at this given moment and whether it be, you know, self
• 48:20
  help, you know, or news articles or cool history, things like
• 48:24
  these are stuff that you would. I would either release
• 48:26
  endorphins in your mind because you find interesting inspiring
• 48:28
  or whatever, but just attempt to do that.
• 48:31
  As opposed to all the nonsense, I just think there's all these
• 48:33
  cool platforms that you can build that it wouldn't cost you
• 48:37
  too much to do. So it's like, why the hell not,
• 48:39
  you know, and there's a lot of people would be very excited to
• 48:41
  do something alongside this like.
• 48:43
  And it's just like, you can go out touch with the Advent of the
• 48:45
  internet. Like, I was living in my body's
• 48:47
  closet, while a bunch of frat. Kids are ripping blow in the
• 48:50
  other room and I'm just like, on a meeting with like a Chinese
• 48:53
  kids getting stuff done and so you can make whatever happened
• 48:57
  if you have that desire. That's the kind of the, the key
• 49:00
  thing that you've hit on that, because while I agree, yeah,
• 49:04
  there is a lot of endless shit on these platforms.
• 49:07
  It's up to the individual, you know, I mean, a lot of the
• 49:10
  people that I know of that decide to sort of live their
• 49:13
  lives that way in it, and the sort of see of consumption.
• 49:17
  They choose to live it that way, you know, it when people start
• 49:20
  to like, choose to do things, like I'm not trying to toot my
• 49:23
  own horn right now, but like if you take like this podcast
• 49:26
  content, creating that's something I wanted to do.
• 49:28
  When I I doing that. I realized how much work is
• 49:32
  involved in that, and that's the thing.
• 49:34
  When people see the work that I know, I just want to sit and
• 49:38
  consume, I don't want to work. And the thing is, they don't
• 49:41
  realize what they're missing out on, and like, you say, I've done
• 49:45
  it as well. I'm not going to say that I'm
• 49:46
  perfect. Yeah, I tend to kind of Consume
• 49:49
  things that aren't necessarily good for my brain when I'm
• 49:53
  tired. Yeah, energy reads, you know, do
• 49:59
  productive things, listen to music, listen to the different
• 50:02
  things that are going to ignite your bread because a lot of
• 50:05
  people are forgetting that, you know, every time you just sit
• 50:07
  there and consume your essentially, letting your brain
• 50:10
  rot because you're, you know, you are a living organism,
• 50:14
  everything in, you is living. So, by that logic, if you don't
• 50:17
  feed it like, Plan, you know, then it's going to die, we all
• 50:22
  die, one day but you'll live longer and be more enriched if
• 50:26
  you actually feed yourself with information and knowledge and
• 50:30
  it's inspiring, you know? Like I can't believe that people
• 50:33
  spend all their time just consuming crap these days when
• 50:36
  so many amazing things are going on.
• 50:38
  Like this is a crazy time to be alive.
• 50:40
  Just look at what's happened in the last year or so do it is.
• 50:44
  Like I was waiting this month for something to happen as I
• 50:47
  what's going to be the thing. What's going to?
• 50:49
  Yeah. Because nothing's happened and
• 50:50
  then boom on time stock market. That's what isn't?
• 50:55
  That's what this month will be remembered for Yeah and then
• 51:01
  just kind of like remaining passive.
• 51:03
  It's people act as if like oh having to get going and just as
• 51:07
  this feet and it's extremely difficult, I'd say the opposite
• 51:10
  with when I wasn't meaning my full potential when I was just
• 51:13
  in undergrad just sitting around just following the words of
• 51:15
  others or just running through the motions.
• 51:17
  I was so miserable and when you realize that like you're not
• 51:21
  actualizing all potential, you just feel terrible, you feel
• 51:24
  terrible about who you are or who you aren't and just knowing
• 51:28
  that there's just this much Version of you out there that
• 51:31
  you could be. And then once you start pursuing
• 51:34
  that, you know, even if you have been slacking off in the past,
• 51:37
  it just feels you've got the right mindset and it feels good
• 51:40
  to be heading in the right direction.
• 51:41
  You know, when your stagnant and and passive, you just start to
• 51:45
  fall apart, but when you start building, you start building
• 51:50
  yourself to. Yeah.
• 51:51
  So thing like because I've had the same thing, you know?
• 51:55
  Like for me I've kind of learned that like if you're if you're
• 51:59
  putting your time, I'm into things that you're really
• 52:01
  passionate about and that's why I know it sounds really obvious
• 52:03
  in cliche, but it's true. You know, I've worked in many
• 52:05
  jobs over the years, even in marketing and I thought, well,
• 52:09
  maybe this is as good as it gets and then when I started doing
• 52:13
  this I love this. This even when there's something
• 52:16
  like are not really a big fan of edited.
• 52:18
  But you know what? I really like talking to people
• 52:20
  and doing this and creating content and I never get sick of
• 52:24
  it and I like, right? So that's the key.
• 52:27
  When you find something that you never get sick of, Wake up in
• 52:30
  the morning, you think I love this.
• 52:32
  That's the key. But as you said a lot of people
• 52:34
  following the words above others, following all the
• 52:36
  things, they think they have to do.
• 52:38
  I mean, I had it when I was at University, I first year,
• 52:41
  remember looking around the I'll maybe it was second-year, I
• 52:44
  don't know. But I remember looking around
• 52:45
  the lecture hall and just seeing everyone there and just thinking
• 52:49
  like I'm not like any of these people, you know?
• 52:51
  I mean I have a vague interest in this but their life is that
• 52:56
  they'll go work for some corporate company go from place
• 52:59
  to place. And that's their life.
• 53:01
  And they will constantly be sort of chasing the dollar and sort
• 53:04
  of doing the whole fake. It till you make it bullshit and
• 53:08
  I just can't relate to that. I can't sit in a job interview
• 53:10
  and pretend like, oh, hey, you know, I'm this person and Lala
• 53:15
  and it's like, no, I got to be me.
• 53:17
  And that means saying what I really think.
• 53:20
  But for instance, I've been doing that in the past year.
• 53:23
  I'm just really brutally honest, over the phone when people call
• 53:26
  me so whether that's a job, recruiter or Yeah, recruitment
• 53:31
  Specialist or maybe even the head of an organization and I'm
• 53:33
  like, look I'm not going to do your assessment okay, I have a
• 53:39
  whole website I've been honestly guys, I have a whole website
• 53:43
  with a portfolio of all my work. If you want to work with me,
• 53:47
  look at that. Here's the link.
• 53:49
  Click the link laughing. See if you like it.
• 53:51
  Right. I'm not gonna do your stupid
• 53:53
  test or assessment. Don't waste my time.
• 53:55
  You know why? Because I see time as equally as
• 53:58
  important, if not Not more than money.
• 54:01
  You know, that's it is important.
• 54:03
  You have to value your time. This is why I get really serious
• 54:06
  about things like being on time being punctual, because I look
• 54:09
  at it as like it's not just my time, it's this person's time.
• 54:12
  So I'm not going to waste their time because time is important
• 54:16
  and it's a one-way Street. When it comes down to it, you
• 54:19
  can sell your time but you can't buy it.
• 54:21
  You know you you can you can you know get some stuff like
• 54:25
  alleviated from your schedule and have other people do it but
• 54:27
  no amount of money is going to buy you additional seconds here.
• 54:29
  Earth is like we have limited time, there's a million ways to
• 54:33
  make money. Why not do what you love?
• 54:35
  Exactly. Let's move it forward D.
• 54:40
  Other than the ones that we've discussed obviously, because
• 54:43
  you've sort of outlined this potential cryptocurrency style
• 54:46
  organizational, blockchain organization are going to do but
• 54:49
  do you have any other companies or Investments that you're
• 54:52
  considering for the future? If so, what are they ones?
• 54:55
  You can talk about? Obviously, you don't have to?
• 54:57
  Yeah, absolutely, you know, I'm super excited about it.
• 55:00
  Just a non-traditional way to raise funding and just in a
• 55:03
  different means to do so. I just think that it's so
• 55:07
  nonsensical when it comes to, you know, raising funds at
• 55:11
  making pitch books and whatnot. Yeah, a lot of this stuff is
• 55:15
  it's all it's entirely non-mathematical because it
• 55:18
  comes down to just people are buying into stories and a lot of
• 55:21
  the time you know what what happens is they buy, you know,
• 55:24
  30 companies in one of them pays off but I figure you know if
• 55:28
  these venture This can do this. Why can't the individual do
• 55:31
  this? But why can't, the individual do
• 55:32
  this on a smaller basis? But we can do this with a larger
• 55:37
  like you were talking about with the Robin Hood pikers.
• 55:41
  I don't believe that they were really the cause of the the run
• 55:45
  up right there. You know, there's probably some
• 55:46
  big money that's involved as well, but basically, they did
• 55:49
  start it, they probably have they got the conversation going
• 55:52
  and usually you realize that that stuff like, that's
• 55:54
  powerful. So there's two different ways to
• 55:56
  make things happen. You can either, you know, have a
• 55:58
  huge amount of force At once, or you can have a bunch of small
• 56:01
  forces acting simultaneously or into, then you'll get somewhere.
• 56:06
  So basically say, a a mom and pop shop is going out of
• 56:10
  business in there like a movie theater, you can buy a portion
• 56:12
  of equity in this company that will entitle you to certain
• 56:16
  amount of goods and services each month.
• 56:17
  So, say, you buy a hot thousand dollars, and you get 1% of this
• 56:22
  movie theater. Well, now, every month you get a
• 56:24
  certain amount of tickets for free as an owner or something
• 56:29
  like that, we're just thinking. About creative means you can
• 56:31
  avoid taxes that way and like other stuff like that.
• 56:33
  In the way, just to decrease in efficiencies that arise.
• 56:37
  When it comes with someone else's hand is in your pocket
• 56:39
  there, trying to get a percentage of your earnings so
• 56:41
  trying to go away from money and back to the kind of not the
• 56:47
  barter economy, but like everything that you use you
• 56:49
  would be you would be a partial owner in and that way you can
• 56:54
  get basically your cash flow wouldn't be cash flow but it
• 56:58
  would entitle you to Certain benefits and so it's just like
• 57:02
  an interesting thing like you said, so highly regulated
• 57:04
  industry. That's why I haven't really
• 57:06
  Broken Ground on. We're looking to kind of get
• 57:08
  people who've had experience from the in the fintech and then
• 57:12
  get people who are experienced Michaels the blockchain.
• 57:14
  So you know those are two really hot Industries so it's hard to
• 57:17
  find people who are experienced and looking for things to do in
• 57:20
  those domains. But, you know, over time
• 57:21
  everything is possible. And I really haven't been having
• 57:24
  too many conversations on this topic.
• 57:25
  But I showed and I know, if I start one day doing it, I would
• 57:28
  have found the guy already and Stuff like that, you know?
• 57:33
  What are the biggest lessons said again?
• 57:39
  I said this blockchain developers are weird.
• 57:42
  I always got some weird anime, LinkedIn profile.
• 57:45
  It's like anime like damn it. Like you're probably really good
• 57:48
  at what you do, but you probably don't care about money and I
• 57:51
  don't understand your motivations but like over time
• 57:54
  I'm going to figure them out, you know.
• 57:55
  Like, we're going to maybe it is just to build cool shit.
• 57:58
  Or maybe, I like a lot of these have been these guys are as
• 58:00
  non-traditional as it comes. So that's why I love.
• 58:02
  That's why the part of the big reasons just like, people, you
• 58:05
  know, being around people building with people and I love
• 58:07
  to explore. Maybe it is a freedom based
• 58:11
  platform. When it comes to social media,
• 58:13
  I've had people in my family approached.
• 58:14
  Me saying, listen man, you got to fucking do this because the
• 58:17
  censorship son real actually on Facebook, you're talking about
• 58:19
  your censorship on Google, I got censored on Facebook at Thomas
• 58:22
  Paine quote, that was not even that Revel.
• 58:25
  It wasn't revolutionary. It was just like him talking
• 58:28
  about is basically a call. All mankind, are my brethren to
• 58:33
  do good as my religion and like, the whole world is my country or
• 58:38
  whatever, and Zuckerberg removed that post and said it was
• 58:41
  flagged was against their Community standards, so it was
• 58:44
  just kind of interesting. Yeah.
• 58:47
  Hmm. You know, and that angered me
• 58:50
  and so when people do things, that frustrate me, I like to
• 58:55
  respond by building cool things. And kind of, you know, solving
• 58:59
  these problems and, you know, solving a problem like that.
• 59:01
  Going to be tremendously difficult but it's worth it and
• 59:04
  then if you have that in your mind and you know that it's
• 59:06
  worth it, you can literally do anything.
• 59:08
  That's why guys like Ceylon moss, green.
• 59:10
  Take us to Mars because he knows that's the only way humans are
• 59:13
  going to survive is get off this planet.
• 59:14
  The Sun is going to explode. All of Humanity's going to be
• 59:17
  extinct unless we get off this planet and we get out of this
• 59:20
  solar system and the first step is Mars.
• 59:22
  So when you have a problem that you need to solve like when it
• 59:25
  comes down to the censorship of big tech centers of government
• 59:29
  censorship in the individual. Like if we, if we Put in our
• 59:31
  minds that freedom of speech is going to dump.
• 59:33
  I unless we do something about it, we're going to make crazy
• 59:37
  shit happen, you know? And that's what it comes down
• 59:38
  to. You have you have certain ideals
• 59:42
  in your head and it has to be a moral thing.
• 59:44
  You can't, you can't say, I'm going to build this cool this
• 59:46
  thing, simply because I want fame, or I want money, because
• 59:49
  guess what? That shit is, you know, in your
• 59:52
  heart that that is all irrelevant and it's all
• 59:54
  arbitrary and you're not going to bleed, you're not going to
• 59:56
  trade your life for something like that.
• 59:59
  Because, you know, if I were Do that.
• 1:00:01
  I'd be a banker right? Like it's just you know I think
• 1:00:05
  that's it's like it's just like it's not about the money, it's
• 1:00:09
  about building cool shit and you know, changing the way people do
• 1:00:13
  things and fixing the problems in the world and there's a lot
• 1:00:16
  of problems. So people act like all every
• 1:00:17
  business has been taken to know. There's not because that that's
• 1:00:20
  that means that every problem has been solved.
• 1:00:22
  There's so many problems in the world.
• 1:00:24
  There's so many there's an infinite amount of businesses
• 1:00:26
  that can be created because there's an infinite amount of
• 1:00:29
  human error and you know, that might be Decreased as we, you
• 1:00:32
  know, how to make things but there's going to be other
• 1:00:34
  industries that come up. And, you know, keep your eyes
• 1:00:37
  open. I was that guy to I was like
• 1:00:39
  what the hell? All the good things have been
• 1:00:40
  done, you know, and until I came across something that was
• 1:00:44
  unexploited and you just run it, you know, that's the way you
• 1:00:48
  have to do. I mean it makes me concerned
• 1:00:50
  about my particular trajectory right now because the one thing
• 1:00:53
  I've sort of discovered about this podcast is that you know I
• 1:00:57
  like to have the kind of deep because discussions with people
• 1:00:59
  particularly like we're having now where it kind of goes.
• 1:01:01
  Goes into the weeds. And if I just have talking about
• 1:01:05
  all sorts of things and maybe talking about more taboo
• 1:01:08
  subjects and that's the problem. Yeah.
• 1:01:09
  Like I could just run one of those podcasts that sponsor
• 1:01:13
  friendly and you know that say all the right things do all the
• 1:01:17
  right things but what would be the point like what why would
• 1:01:19
  why should people listening to that?
• 1:01:21
  Like gin? And I mean I got and like I look
• 1:01:23
  at people like Joe Rogan who are able to talk about whatever the
• 1:01:25
  fuck they want and I'm like woah.
• 1:01:26
  So it's a position thing, it has nothing to do with Really, like,
• 1:01:33
  censorship it. It's more about.
• 1:01:34
  They're trying to censor people. They don't want to sort of get
• 1:01:37
  to the top. They don't, you know what I
• 1:01:38
  mean? I want you get to the top.
• 1:01:39
  It's like they can't support in the world.
• 1:01:42
  Yeah, that's how we. That's, I think that's one of
• 1:01:45
  the reasons why he moved to Spotify.
• 1:01:46
  Not just about the money. I mean, you know, like it's
• 1:01:50
  interesting. I don't know if you noticed but
• 1:01:52
  his stuff is actually being pulled from YouTube now.
• 1:01:54
  And I don't know if that's because of the deal or what?
• 1:01:56
  That's because of the Alex Jones stuff first-rate.
• 1:02:00
  They started with that. Last year if you like The Alex
• 1:02:03
  Jones and then they that they blocked him from the platform to
• 1:02:07
  be fair so well again, I don't agree with that.
• 1:02:12
  I do understand it at least I think and that's, that's the
• 1:02:15
  problem. It's like it forces you to go
• 1:02:18
  out wearing any kind of pisses me off.
• 1:02:20
  Really would like, with my podcast because it's like, this
• 1:02:22
  isn't even really that controversial as a podcast.
• 1:02:25
  I mean, I just interviewed. Yeah.
• 1:02:27
  And it wasn't even his like platform.
• 1:02:29
  He was a teen aghast, right? So, it's like, you're gonna this
• 1:02:32
  person doesn't have it in. This is a gas that I don't like,
• 1:02:34
  I'm going to take him down, like, that's not right.
• 1:02:36
  You know, I don't care what you disagree with, when it comes
• 1:02:39
  down to it, people should be able to choose to watch what
• 1:02:41
  they want to watch. And if they're, if they're
• 1:02:43
  consenting to watch this stuff, you know, then let them sit down
• 1:02:46
  and watch it. Let them consume the content and
• 1:02:48
  let them come to the conclusions themselves.
• 1:02:50
  You shouldn't be making decisions for other people.
• 1:02:52
  You shouldn't be saying that they are not allowed to watch
• 1:02:55
  this content. It's deemed too dangerous.
• 1:02:58
  That is orwellian, as orwellian given be.
• 1:03:01
  Well, the thing is, like, Society changes and things just
• 1:03:04
  become unacceptable anymore. So if you take like racism as an
• 1:03:08
  example, now, don't get me wrong, there's many countries,
• 1:03:10
  many places where racism Um is still tolerated.
• 1:03:14
  Let's put it that way and but most of the world isn't like
• 1:03:19
  that and you know Generations have passed by and now our
• 1:03:23
  generation is like what the fuck you know and challenges it and
• 1:03:28
  that's the thing. Like if you're like a racist now
• 1:03:31
  in 2021, I mean you're kind of screwed.
• 1:03:33
  Like what do you do? I mean, you can't be openly
• 1:03:35
  racist and because it's seen as hateful and president.
• 1:03:44
  But yeah, it's a good point. It's like you should be free to
• 1:03:50
  say what you want to say about the same time, you know.
• 1:03:52
  Like it's going to get you in shit.
• 1:03:54
  If it's not something that like everyone kind of is a green and
• 1:03:58
  that's the freedom of choice and that's what I love it.
• 1:04:00
  It's like yeah, yeah and I have the consequences and everyone's
• 1:04:04
  responsible for action and it's like you realize that and then
• 1:04:08
  we're golden everyone agrees that, you know, say whatever you
• 1:04:11
  want. But you know, the results of
• 1:04:13
  those words might might come back to bite you in the ass.
• 1:04:16
  It's like, well, you know, so long as were We're cool on that.
• 1:04:20
  You know works for me and I think basically just doing away
• 1:04:25
  with individual freedom is the course we ban on or the the past
• 1:04:28
  20 years and you know coming through common core education in
• 1:04:31
  the schooling system. They're trying to pacify us,
• 1:04:35
  they don't want us to know what, our forefathers had done, or
• 1:04:37
  what the great men in history have done to fight back against
• 1:04:40
  the tyrants. They didn't talk about the
• 1:04:44
  atrocities of collectivism. Not one bit, not one bit, not in
• 1:04:48
  the slightest. It was, it was so scary to see
• 1:04:51
  because now I saw these kids leaving and they're going into
• 1:04:53
  their undergrad and it was like, well, these kids don't know.
• 1:04:56
  They don't know what the slightest a bit about anything
• 1:04:58
  when it comes down to, you know, the horrors of collectivism.
• 1:05:00
  And what happens when governments, get too much power
• 1:05:03
  because the government was in charge of their education.
• 1:05:06
  And they decided that oh, this is, you know, we would rather
• 1:05:09
  have, you know, the volume of a trauma pyramid, be shared.
• 1:05:16
  And it's like, well, I think what's more important is having
• 1:05:19
  A solid basis of people that understand the value of Liberty
• 1:05:22
  and understand what it took to get here and understand that if
• 1:05:25
  we give this up, there's really no place left to go.
• 1:05:29
  Hmm. Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  That's a fair point. I mean, it's always about what
• 1:05:34
  fits the agenda really, isn't it?
• 1:05:36
  That's why education has and has always been.
• 1:05:38
  I mean, if you grow up in the UK, you know?
• 1:05:41
  I mean, it's not that we kind of glamorize our history, in a
• 1:05:44
  sense that we're perfect, but we sure, as hell don't actually go
• 1:05:48
  into the the the details of like what actually happened and say
• 1:05:51
  like what the Empire actually looks like, in terms of, you
• 1:05:54
  know, what was done to facilitate that, it's a very
• 1:05:58
  kind of How do I put this? I can't find the way.
• 1:06:07
  It's like it's not exactly presented the way things
• 1:06:11
  actually happened. It's a very kind of like, you
• 1:06:15
  got eschewed narrative. Yeah, precisely.
• 1:06:17
  Yeah, exactly. But every country has that every
• 1:06:21
  country has that, you know, like I remember having an argument
• 1:06:23
  with an ex-girlfriend one time about I think it was like Soviet
• 1:06:29
  Union or something that because they didn't properly, teach us
• 1:06:31
  that school and yeah, in the UK they do.
• 1:06:36
  All they teach and they go on and on and on and on about the
• 1:06:39
  Nazis like Nazis bad. So she does.
• 1:06:42
  It's exactly it. They'll tell you they'll stay
• 1:06:45
  but that's the thing they when they talk about the Soviet
• 1:06:47
  Union, they go. Wow, you know, they were
• 1:06:49
  Communists, which is bad but you know they were our allies in the
• 1:06:53
  war so that's good and and that's it.
• 1:06:56
  And then they go, hold on, hold on a second.
• 1:06:59
  And I remember having a massive argument with, with this
• 1:07:02
  ex-girlfriend about this and she said, watch this fucking
• 1:07:04
  documentary. So I watched that and then I was
• 1:07:08
  like, oh and then I remember going to her country and seeing
• 1:07:12
  like history Museum's documentation, God does at
• 1:07:15
  talking to people that actually lived it.
• 1:07:17
  And I'm like, oh wow. And then I found out.
• 1:07:22
  They're not like with the Soviets actually made like the
• 1:07:25
  Nazis look like Teletubbies by comparison if you look at the
• 1:07:28
  numbers and the years and years and and and how they divided up
• 1:07:35
  your In all of these different things.
• 1:07:37
  It's like so much worse. If anything, the Nazis just
• 1:07:40
  based what they their model on, what the Soviets.
• 1:07:43
  Did, you know, right at every T? Even like, not many people know
• 1:07:47
  this, but extermination camps. Yeah.
• 1:07:50
  They actually, I think they were ever built by the Soviets or
• 1:07:53
  they took the like, the building plan of what the Soviets used
• 1:07:56
  and use that to build their own extermination camps.
• 1:07:59
  Yep. But yeah, people that's the
• 1:08:01
  thing. They don't teach us in school
• 1:08:03
  and they do that for a reason because basically they don't
• 1:08:05
  want to To push back against that narrative against the
• 1:08:08
  Socialist narrative because that's just something that
• 1:08:10
  they've been pushing for the past while.
• 1:08:12
  And if you see it, like the fact that Bernie Sanders was sitting
• 1:08:15
  up front and center at inauguration a guy who advocates
• 1:08:18
  for theft and like the decrease of freedom and he's sitting
• 1:08:22
  there and they blow him up there.
• 1:08:24
  Oh, look how cute he is when an evil man that he's wearing
• 1:08:26
  mittens advocating for the death of Liberty and he's blasted upon
• 1:08:30
  every single like that. It that sets a terrible
• 1:08:32
  precedent for this. This the fact that he's sitting
• 1:08:35
  front and It's scary. And the reason why they didn't
• 1:08:38
  push against this is because they've been pushing this
• 1:08:40
  narrative for a while and they don't like those who do it.
• 1:08:44
  If they want to have, you know, working class that they rule
• 1:08:48
  over and that's why they're pushing for everyone to be
• 1:08:50
  equally miserable. That's that's why socialism, and
• 1:08:54
  collectivism is still being talked about today, even though
• 1:08:56
  we know the results, we know that it's going to end up with
• 1:08:59
  mass poverty, starvation people killing each other but people
• 1:09:02
  still advocate for it. And is it like why is this I
• 1:09:06
  don't really know and and it's like these big platforms these,
• 1:09:09
  they're all leftist. They're all looking for the same
• 1:09:13
  goal, like Google Facebook Amazon.
• 1:09:16
  I don't really know about Apple but Google Facebook Amazon.
• 1:09:20
  If they could overnight, they would install a, socialist
• 1:09:22
  regime regime in the United States government.
• 1:09:24
  And if they could, they would have people control every aspect
• 1:09:28
  of American life. And so just knowing that knowing
• 1:09:31
  that you have to be able to push back against this, not not only
• 1:09:35
  corporate. It's the government when it
• 1:09:37
  comes down to it, the government's, the one that's
• 1:09:39
  enforcing the will of the corporations.
• 1:09:41
  So it's like, if you're going to, if you're going to vilify,
• 1:09:44
  anyone don't vilify the corporations because they're
• 1:09:46
  just, you know, doing their Duty, they're pursuing the best
• 1:09:49
  value for their shareholders vilify, the government, who
• 1:09:51
  allows that to happen, who allowed themselves to be bought
• 1:09:54
  out and it's not the guy who's bribing people.
• 1:09:57
  It's the guy who's taking bribes, that's his fault, you
• 1:09:59
  know? So I have a basic understanding
• 1:10:04
  of American politics, but if I understood correctly, Bernie
• 1:10:07
  Sanders is a member of the democratic party.
• 1:10:12
  Is that correct? Yeah.
• 1:10:13
  So he's an accomplished basically what he's done, he's
• 1:10:15
  made a life of basically, I'm pointing fingers at people
• 1:10:18
  who've done things and saying that they've, you know, taken
• 1:10:22
  from others every day of exploiting the working class.
• 1:10:24
  So, he's never accomplished anything himself.
• 1:10:26
  He's never actually held a job but he advocates for the region,
• 1:10:29
  redistribution of wealth. He's he's just a classic like
• 1:10:35
  classic collectivist. He's just looking to take the
• 1:10:38
  the rights and individual freedoms away from from the
• 1:10:41
  people and have everyone be equally miserable and, you know,
• 1:10:46
  he ran for office. He ended up pulling an exit
• 1:10:47
  scheme, when Hillary took the nomination from him and he ended
• 1:10:51
  up endorsing Hillary. So, basically Hillary stole the
• 1:10:55
  nomination from him in 2016, and he ended up stealing a bunch of
• 1:10:58
  money from his supporters and then people Continued to support
• 1:11:01
  him and he just kind of pulled a bunch of this, these schemes
• 1:11:04
  over and over again. And he advocates for
• 1:11:06
  collectivism and it's really gross because you see a lot of
• 1:11:10
  these Bernie Bros. And he's Bernie girls, they're
• 1:11:12
  all undergrads at liberal schools because they don't, you
• 1:11:14
  know, they've never they've never been in the real world.
• 1:11:16
  They don't know what it's like to actually have to work and
• 1:11:19
  learn and create they think that, you know, oh, a check from
• 1:11:23
  Dad, can go pay my next semester and then I'm good.
• 1:11:26
  And they think that money just comes out of The Ether and they
• 1:11:28
  don't understand the value of production, or The necessity of
• 1:11:32
  production, they think that they can just create more wealth by
• 1:11:35
  taking it from others and it's just it's a scary thing because
• 1:11:38
  you know, a bunch of those guys band together and they start
• 1:11:40
  demonizing these people, they'll build try to, you know, if you
• 1:11:44
  read the gulag archipelago by its initials in, it's in.
• 1:11:48
  It's about just the collectivization of the Soviet
• 1:11:50
  Union and how they were coming for everyone that, you know,
• 1:11:53
  even a third type of conversation like this, we would
• 1:11:55
  be thrown in the gulag we would be in Siberia in a 20-foot hole,
• 1:11:59
  and these guards would piss and shit on us.
• 1:12:00
  And it's like that that could very well happen.
• 1:12:03
  It could very well happen again and people act as if that it
• 1:12:05
  can't. And they you know, they'll
• 1:12:09
  actually kind of like mock you, they'll say like, oh you're
• 1:12:12
  crazy or whatever and it's like, okay I'm crazy and that might be
• 1:12:15
  the case but it's the truth. Like when it comes down to it,
• 1:12:19
  these people are. And then when it comes down to,
• 1:12:22
  when you see, like, what people are capable of doing like, when
• 1:12:25
  when humans are just looking around them and following the
• 1:12:28
  status quo, that's where evil comes into play, because You see
• 1:12:31
  people that are just doing their job committing acts of evil,
• 1:12:35
  because the guy next to him is also doing it and in these
• 1:12:38
  people act like this stuff can happen, it could very well
• 1:12:41
  happen in the UK or here in America and I could see it
• 1:12:43
  happening and it's like we got to have the right people
• 1:12:46
  fighting the fight, no pushing back against this because
• 1:12:49
  there's going to be a time where it is the death of Liberty and
• 1:12:52
  you truly can't do anything without without having to worry
• 1:12:56
  about repercussions. Makes me wonder sometimes when
• 1:13:01
  we're sitting there having a conversation like this, like how
• 1:13:03
  long we'll be able to do so for Yeah.
• 1:13:07
  Wanda I think there's certain things that I've said even in
• 1:13:11
  school when I was a kid that would have flown 10 years ago,
• 1:13:14
  that didn't then because they say hey, that is too
• 1:13:18
  controversial or this in that, it's like well there's nothing
• 1:13:20
  controversial about Freedom, like it's simple as that there's
• 1:13:23
  absolutely nothing controversial about freedom.
• 1:13:26
  And if people are going to say that you're crazy for defending
• 1:13:28
  your rights, you know, call me crazy and I'll defend the rights
• 1:13:31
  until I die and it's just like it's simple as that something
• 1:13:33
  you have to do, you can't just give them up.
• 1:13:36
  Like you just can't. There's there's too many reasons
• 1:13:40
  to not miss too many, too many people have made too many
• 1:13:44
  sacrifice for us to just serve this up on a platter to the
• 1:13:47
  collectivist. We can't do that.
• 1:13:49
  We just simply can't. Moving it Forward because we I
• 1:13:54
  feel like we could talk about this forever.
• 1:13:57
  Let's talk about your business mind for a second.
• 1:14:00
  So what are the biggest lessons you've learned in your career?
• 1:14:03
  So far, there's some. So, basically, I was thinking,
• 1:14:08
  you know, you can do everything on a handshake deal.
• 1:14:10
  I was like, how are ya? Like, you can do it, you know,
• 1:14:12
  what's the need for a contract? That's not the case and 10 years
• 1:14:16
  and the second one he gets involved, you figure out what
• 1:14:19
  kind of person he is, you know, so true.
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  Oh my God. Yeah and I think it, since I was
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  10 years old and use, you know, kid that was wrestling with.
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  He ends up stealing from my people directly sleep, right out
• 1:14:30
  of their pockets. I'm like this is so disgusting
• 1:14:32
  like also back in the day so we said our CI okay, our Chief
• 1:14:39
  Financial Officer was stealing from us and it was just a
• 1:14:41
  sickening situation so just kind of learning that that's going to
• 1:14:44
  happen but you can't let that impact your ability to trust.
• 1:14:47
  Like there's there's bad acts. There's terrible people in this
• 1:14:50
  world even if you You give them everything and you hook them up,
• 1:14:53
  you build them up from nothing. They'll still find a way to
• 1:14:56
  justify taking from you or taking from your people and you
• 1:14:59
  just got to know that that's the thing.
• 1:15:00
  It's nothing personal. They're just a bad person.
• 1:15:02
  They're simply, they've got something wrong in their head.
• 1:15:04
  They've got evil in them. Maybe they were raised in
• 1:15:07
  properly or they just decided to choose evil and just knowing
• 1:15:10
  that it's nothing personal. You could be the greatest guy in
• 1:15:12
  the world and there can still be bad people out after to get you
• 1:15:15
  and just knowing they just got to keep your head up.
• 1:15:17
  Keep going and keep trusting because trust is everything.
• 1:15:20
  You gotta trust first. For people to trust you and you
• 1:15:23
  can't let that you know the can't let someone screwing you,
• 1:15:27
  what? It's like, it's like you have a
• 1:15:28
  girl who breaks your heart, you can't just close off your heart
• 1:15:31
  and be, you know, miserable for the rest of your life.
• 1:15:33
  I mean you could but the better option is to, you know, run it
• 1:15:37
  back one more time. Open up and see what's up with
• 1:15:39
  with the next person. And it comes down to that with
• 1:15:41
  employees to just knowing that, you know, any one person can do
• 1:15:46
  anything. But don't let that establish the
• 1:15:51
  precedent. For others.
• 1:15:52
  The you can't be judging the all people based on one and just
• 1:15:57
  knowing that there will be bad actors and you got to flush them
• 1:16:00
  out of your system sooner rather than later.
• 1:16:01
  And as soon as you get any degree of traction, the
• 1:16:04
  parasites will come the non doers.
• 1:16:05
  They know, they're not capable of doing anything on their own.
• 1:16:07
  So they need you. They need a host body but guess
• 1:16:10
  what? Pull that parasite off and then
• 1:16:12
  let him go latch on to another host body because that's what
• 1:16:14
  he's going to do. But then, that person's gonna
• 1:16:15
  have to find out this dude's a parasite and get rid of them.
• 1:16:18
  And it's basically just knowing that there is badass But there's
• 1:16:22
  a lot more good actors than Bad actors.
• 1:16:23
  And don't let the Bad actors spoil.
• 1:16:25
  The good actors. Couldn't agree more.
• 1:16:30
  I do want to quiz you a little bit more about that situation.
• 1:16:32
  You spoke of, oh, so you don't have to go into specific
• 1:16:34
  details. But how did you actually
• 1:16:37
  discover that this was happening?
• 1:16:39
  I mean, it's got a phone call from a client who is crying.
• 1:16:43
  And I was like, what? This doesn't happen, the new
• 1:16:45
  clients, don't cry, okay? Basically, she goes, I'm having
• 1:16:49
  family over tomorrow like, you guys mess.
• 1:16:51
  Up everything. I was like, oh my God, I'm
• 1:16:52
  terribly. Sorry like what's going on like,
• 1:16:54
  what's your name? I look her up and she's not in
• 1:16:56
  our system, so I inquire a bit more.
• 1:16:58
  I'm like, so, you know what, how did you get out of whatever
• 1:17:00
  issues? Oh, and then I realized the kid
• 1:17:03
  was taking the bookings, whether they came from the phone number
• 1:17:05
  to leave a voicemail or deleting the email and then selling them
• 1:17:08
  to other companies and so he botched the gig.
• 1:17:11
  Oh, tried to steal from us. He got caught.
• 1:17:14
  Yeah, he just was just just a terrible person, man.
• 1:17:17
  It was, it was horrible to see and, you know, I believe Leaving
• 1:17:21
  Karma and he got a little bit of Instant Karma which is nice to
• 1:17:24
  see. But you know, I don't care about
• 1:17:25
  that. All I care about is it was scary
• 1:17:27
  because like we had to just, you know, throw all our cash flows
• 1:17:30
  back together at the last moment.
• 1:17:32
  Keep people paid. But, you know, you see you see
• 1:17:34
  that happen. You see the bad and one person
• 1:17:37
  who see the good come out of others and we were able to make
• 1:17:40
  some great hires, you know, when we got rid of him, we
• 1:17:42
  immediately got some great people in and they've been with
• 1:17:45
  us ever since and you know, I'm happy, I'm happy.
• 1:17:48
  He stole from us now and not only had some real money in the
• 1:17:51
  car. Do it again.
• 1:17:53
  Thanks for sharing. What were the biggest challenges
• 1:17:56
  in? Setting up your businesses?
• 1:17:59
  Yeah, people are. The are the lines.
• 1:18:03
  I'd say finding people, who can consistently do great work even
• 1:18:07
  even when it comes to me personally, consistently doing
• 1:18:09
  great work is hard and it's hard for anyone with the organization
• 1:18:14
  and kind of getting our systems in line has been the most
• 1:18:17
  difficult process is been just kind of like having things
• 1:18:20
  consistently. Done and ironed out because I'm
• 1:18:23
  always looking to the Future. I'm always just blasting and,
• 1:18:26
  you know, like I said, I was talking about, like, what three
• 1:18:28
  different companies right there and it's just hard to focus on
• 1:18:30
  any one thing let alone a consistent set of things that
• 1:18:34
  needs to be done over a period of time.
• 1:18:36
  So what I what I'm doing now is I'm working on hiring up like
• 1:18:40
  more of it, the managerial side of things so that they can
• 1:18:42
  continue to maintain our relationships and cultivate like
• 1:18:46
  the other ones as we build out our stuff as we build out our
• 1:18:50
  team and what not, and that And it's just hard to focus on
• 1:18:54
  maintaining cash flows while building others.
• 1:18:55
  So right now I'm getting, I'm getting my people in lying to
• 1:18:59
  continue to, you know, maintain while we build.
• 1:19:03
  Excellent. What would you say?
• 1:19:05
  Are the key things you need to run a successful business.
• 1:19:10
  Yeah, so it's going to be cliche but mine said that's number one,
• 1:19:14
  you can't do it without your mind and you can't get up in the
• 1:19:17
  morning and solve hard problems and really you don't Paid until
• 1:19:22
  until you solve these problems. So basically solving problems
• 1:19:25
  for free until there's a certain threshold.
• 1:19:28
  But yeah, it's just like having that delayed gratification being
• 1:19:31
  able to do, you know, you have a strong will power.
• 1:19:36
  And and just knowing in your heart of hearts that like you
• 1:19:38
  know everyone in the beginning everyone and your mother is
• 1:19:40
  going to tell you that you're wrong that you shouldn't be
• 1:19:42
  doing what you're doing. You should follow more
• 1:19:44
  traditional path, but just knowing that they're wrong and
• 1:19:47
  knowing that you're capable will get you to where you need to be.
• 1:19:51
  Yeah, absolutely a gray, that's often the feel the way I feel
• 1:19:55
  about what I do because people always ask me the same thing
• 1:19:58
  that like, oh, do you have sponsorships?
• 1:20:01
  How much do you get paid? Or how many subscribers?
• 1:20:04
  Do you have a problem? It's like it.
• 1:20:06
  This is like the music industry, you know, like any other
• 1:20:09
  industry, everything you do in the beginning, you don't get
• 1:20:12
  paid anything. That's just the way it works.
• 1:20:14
  Yeah. And then after time you do get
• 1:20:17
  money and like maybe you'll get a lot of money, maybe it will be
• 1:20:21
  Repair the time, who knows? We will have different
• 1:20:23
  trajectories but it will come. As you say, with the right
• 1:20:27
  mindset, the right attitude and the will the will a lot people
• 1:20:30
  just give up like, you know, halfway through.
• 1:20:33
  And I see I see this a lot. I've seen I've mentioned this
• 1:20:35
  before in the podcast, or sorry for being a dead horse here.
• 1:20:38
  But my listeners will know that, you know, I've spoken about how
• 1:20:41
  many podcasts I've seen where they get 20 or 30 episodes in,
• 1:20:45
  and then they just give up or, you know, this stop making
• 1:20:47
  episodes. And I might why, why, why have
• 1:20:50
  you stopped? You know, and I get it's they
• 1:20:52
  want to see that return and it's just not coming.
• 1:20:54
  But the reality is these things take years, there's a million
• 1:20:58
  Reasons to Quit. There's a million reasons to
• 1:21:00
  never start and there's only one reason to do so you got to have
• 1:21:03
  a good reason you know. It can't just be I want to look
• 1:21:06
  good in the eyes of others. I want a lot of money.
• 1:21:08
  You got to have a good sense of purpose and your heart will
• 1:21:12
  carry you there. Honestly, I work with my mind.
• 1:21:17
  I work with my my mouth but really I It was my heart like
• 1:21:21
  being able to Habit eyes with others and just knowing that
• 1:21:25
  they're human and that may all have individual goals and just
• 1:21:28
  knowing that it you can help them and on their mission figure
• 1:21:32
  out what they want. Figure out what they want out of
• 1:21:33
  our limited time here on Earth and then figure out how you can
• 1:21:36
  help them actualize their goal and guess what?
• 1:21:38
  They're going to help you actualize yours and if you can
• 1:21:41
  do that for a bunch of people you're going to you're going to
• 1:21:44
  have something crazy real soon. So there is a deep one up is
• 1:21:49
  I've started asking my guests. This recently, but always gets a
• 1:21:52
  bit of a different response. What's the biggest life lesson
• 1:21:56
  you've learned so far? Yeah, you know it's a hard one
• 1:22:04
  and it's one that people don't like it's basically there's
• 1:22:08
  certain things that no matter how hard you try, no matter if
• 1:22:12
  you do everything right, they just won't manifest, they just
• 1:22:16
  won't come across your plate and it's just like whether it be,
• 1:22:19
  you know, unrequited love or what not.
• 1:22:22
  There's certain things that you shouldn't Chase.
• 1:22:23
  There's certain certain things that should just come to you
• 1:22:25
  naturally and I'd say that is my biggest life lesson.
• 1:22:28
  It's just knowing that that like as a Creator, it's It's it's
• 1:22:32
  easy to fall into the mindset of like Jess I can do anything and
• 1:22:35
  I can make it happen. Just by my sheer force of will
• 1:22:37
  but there's just certain things that you can't, you can't do,
• 1:22:40
  you know, like, when it comes down to stuff that's based on
• 1:22:43
  Randomness or stuff like that, like it's just like, like I
• 1:22:48
  applied to a few schools just to see what's up and, you know,
• 1:22:52
  they go, Oh no, you're not. Our type or whatever and a month
• 1:22:57
  later I've got these guys, they're not just graduates, not
• 1:23:00
  just Masters. But phds at the school working
• 1:23:03
  for me for free remote. And it's like, okay, like what
• 1:23:06
  this emission board, you know, obviously, you know, and it's
• 1:23:10
  easy to say, like, oh I got rejected here.
• 1:23:11
  That means I wasn't good enough, but it just means that you're
• 1:23:14
  not you don't fit in their box or you don't fit in the template
• 1:23:18
  and you're in or whatever, maybe you don't get the job.
• 1:23:22
  Maybe you're literally 40 times more qualified than every single
• 1:23:25
  other applicant. But maybe the interviewer just
• 1:23:28
  didn't like the way you looked at them or maybe Is true up in
• 1:23:32
  the morning and it's just not on you at all but you know when it
• 1:23:35
  comes down to it maybe you didn't get the sale because
• 1:23:37
  someone else who's relate like blood related to him got it and
• 1:23:40
  it's not nothing, you did wrong. But it's just just the fact of
• 1:23:44
  the matter is that sometimes things won't go your way and you
• 1:23:48
  just have to roll with it. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm
• 1:23:50
  doing now of my job situation. I think I've just realized like
• 1:23:53
  I'm probably not going to return to full-time employment because
• 1:23:56
  that's just not what's in the cards for me and I'm totally
• 1:23:59
  fine with that because I don't want to do that anymore.
• 1:24:02
  But what I am interested by is that every company I've applied
• 1:24:06
  for, in the past year, like, the way I see it, as they're just
• 1:24:10
  not willing to take a risk, right?
• 1:24:13
  And the thing is, is it is exactly how you said it.
• 1:24:16
  It's like you're trying when you let's be real when you're trying
• 1:24:20
  to find someone to work for you. The first thing you do is look
• 1:24:25
  internally. That's what every company does.
• 1:24:28
  If you do find someone externally, what you're looking
• 1:24:30
  for. Is essentially someone who has
• 1:24:33
  the right Charisma. You could someone you can have
• 1:24:35
  banter with chemistry. That's what you're looking for.
• 1:24:37
  The right attitude, doesn't fucking matter if they've got
• 1:24:40
  this much experiment for certain jobs yet, okay?
• 1:24:42
  You do need the experience bubble but for most jobs,
• 1:24:45
  particularly corporate level business related, you just need
• 1:24:49
  to have the right attitude and that's something I do have.
• 1:24:52
  I can confidently say that and I'm just like I just saw that's
• 1:24:54
  why I just laugh at a time. Like this is this is jokes.
• 1:24:57
  I followed the route. I did everything you're supposed
• 1:24:59
  to do three years experience, a degree.
• 1:25:01
  And nothing and I'm sure you've applied to like positions that
• 1:25:04
  you've been like, very overqualified for and getting a
• 1:25:06
  new like getting no and response, and you just laugh
• 1:25:08
  like I, yeah, yes. I've the funny one.
• 1:25:11
  Is that a lot of them? They tell me, I don't have
• 1:25:13
  enough experience where to get a real pop out of how much are you
• 1:25:17
  looking for? How much is this?
• 1:25:19
  Like, what? Like, how are you making any
• 1:25:22
  hires? How is anyone with?
• 1:25:23
  Like, the experience, you're asking, still at this, like,
• 1:25:26
  point in their career? I don't know.
• 1:25:28
  But like, for me like I don't ask for anything what I asked.
• 1:25:31
  But if it's something like like I'm someone's gonna be a core.
• 1:25:34
  Team member interacting with me on a weekly basis.
• 1:25:36
  Yeah, what I do is I just go 30 minutes, Zoom call and I talked
• 1:25:38
  to him and I say, you know, what have you been up to recently?
• 1:25:41
  What's your story? Those two questions will give me
• 1:25:43
  everything I need to know and to decide whether or not I want
• 1:25:46
  them on my team. Yeah.
• 1:25:48
  And that's how it really is. I mean it kind of blows what one
• 1:25:51
  thing I learned recently, actually someone told me this
• 1:25:54
  which I think is very important to say.
• 1:25:56
  Human resources has become such a major part of businesses now,
• 1:26:00
  especially Major businesses, it's not very common for
• 1:26:02
  business owners, like yourself, the kind of actively be
• 1:26:06
  involved, firsthand with the interview process.
• 1:26:09
  A lot of companies, especially in the UK, will either have a
• 1:26:13
  third-party recruitment service. Do all the stuff for them or
• 1:26:17
  they'll have that HR department within our organization handle
• 1:26:20
  it. But here's the thing, you're
• 1:26:22
  what you're saying is, right? Go find me an applicant, here's
• 1:26:25
  a bit of information, right? And they'll whittled that down.
• 1:26:28
  They'll do a lot of work for you, but but they're choosing
• 1:26:32
  the candidates for you, not you, and that means, you're rarely
• 1:26:37
  going to find the right person. And here's another thing,
• 1:26:40
  because they do that they skip out on the people, that would
• 1:26:44
  actually be right for the role in favor of like, oh, this
• 1:26:47
  person has this much experience this person as works on x amount
• 1:26:50
  of projects. But you know what?
• 1:26:51
  That doesn't matter. I've worked with people in the
• 1:26:53
  past who shit, Jesus, I work with someone who had like 20
• 1:26:58
  years experience in their field and they We are intimidated by
• 1:27:02
  me. Buy me a guy who at the time I
• 1:27:05
  think I had like a year-and-a-half experience and I
• 1:27:09
  just thought to myself, this is so fucking stupid like this.
• 1:27:12
  I mean, maybe this is just a corporate politics that I could
• 1:27:15
  be a million different things but that's the way I saw it.
• 1:27:18
  Like, I was very ambitious. I'm not that sort of type of
• 1:27:21
  person when I'm in an organization.
• 1:27:23
  And it's one of the things that made me realize like for the
• 1:27:25
  most part, I even need to be working with people as in B2B or
• 1:27:30
  I need to just Running my own thing because working for
• 1:27:33
  people. If they don't have the right
• 1:27:34
  attitude and they're just like, I found a lot of companies are
• 1:27:37
  very close-minded, you know, obviously not copies, but the
• 1:27:41
  people working there aren't willing to take risks.
• 1:27:44
  They want to do it this way and it doesn't matter if maybe this
• 1:27:49
  way is wrong and you tell them, okay, this is what's going to
• 1:27:52
  happen if we do it like this and they're like, let's do it like
• 1:27:56
  this and this up. Well, do you really want to do
• 1:27:58
  like this? This was going to lose you
• 1:27:59
  money. This one's going to be The time
• 1:28:01
  in the late? No, no.
• 1:28:02
  Do it like this? Well, I have this idea.
• 1:28:04
  What if we do this? No, no.
• 1:28:06
  Do it this way, and then we do it that way.
• 1:28:08
  And then, six months later, the like, huh?
• 1:28:11
  Oh, if we'd have done it the way you suggested, it would have
• 1:28:14
  worked. And it's like, you're 12 course,
• 1:28:16
  a fucking would have worked because it's like, I told you
• 1:28:18
  six months ago that this way wouldn't work and everyone
• 1:28:21
  agreed. And we had several meetings
• 1:28:23
  about. Sorry, I'm just ranting at this
• 1:28:24
  point. Is this, it butts up is for
• 1:28:27
  straight-up guy. Who's the Hotshot on top?
• 1:28:29
  Who thinks that since he makes the last decision.
• 1:28:32
  He knows more than everyone else.
• 1:28:33
  It's like the one thing that I know for certain is that I don't
• 1:28:36
  know shit. Like, what I know is my people
• 1:28:38
  and that's it, I don't know what they know and we come to them
• 1:28:41
  for their expertise in the. Why would we have them around if
• 1:28:43
  we didn't, you know, that's it, didn't Steve Jobs, say something
• 1:28:48
  similar to that one time. He said like yeah, that's the
• 1:28:50
  point. Is that no point having a room
• 1:28:53
  full of like, people who all know the same thing or something
• 1:28:56
  like that. Like, it'd be pointless.
• 1:28:58
  Like you need people sake. Exactly hit these.
• 1:29:01
  Got some anecdotes you know, that someone who changed the.
• 1:29:06
  Basically I've only started doing stuff with my life.
• 1:29:08
  This past year, I'm 20 years old.
• 1:29:11
  So up until very recently. I haven't done anything and I
• 1:29:15
  read the Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson biography, and that was
• 1:29:18
  so profoundly impacted, because I was 19 at the time, and it
• 1:29:22
  began when he was 19 and that's when that's when that's when
• 1:29:25
  Apple began. And I just remember, just kind
• 1:29:28
  of connecting with his Our unit was super emotional, it was one
• 1:29:33
  of those books. I've got extreme ADHD, I, you
• 1:29:34
  know, being able to talk to you for two hours is good, you know,
• 1:29:38
  because it's been an engaging conversation.
• 1:29:39
  But most things I can't focus on for more than 13 minutes,
• 1:29:42
  especially books. I can read maybe 56 Pages at a
• 1:29:44
  time then I'll revisit the book actually right over there.
• 1:29:47
  I've got maybe like this is think there's 12 books that are
• 1:29:50
  half ride right there and then there's a whole bookshelf of
• 1:29:52
  other ones and basically my mind my mind spend attention span.
• 1:29:56
  She's not the shark with the Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
• 1:29:58
  694 pages. I sat down and I read it in one
• 1:30:01
  sitting because it was so profoundly impacting.
• 1:30:03
  I would recommend that to everyone read that book.
• 1:30:06
  If you're trying to do something different than the rest of them,
• 1:30:08
  you know what I mean? Awesome.
• 1:30:12
  You describe yourself as an objectivist explain this.
• 1:30:18
  Yeah. So basically objectivism for
• 1:30:22
  anyone who is in the kind of libertarian sphere, it's a It's
• 1:30:27
  a form of philosophy, founded by Ian, Rand, and one of the 40s in
• 1:30:31
  the 50s and she's very interesting story, you know, she
• 1:30:33
  came here from Russia, her name was Alice Rosenbaum and she
• 1:30:37
  didn't speak English. And then she came over here to
• 1:30:40
  America in the Hollywood, became a best-selling author in English
• 1:30:44
  and as amazing. And she was just very Freedom
• 1:30:47
  oriented. And basically the philosophy of
• 1:30:49
  objectivism, you know, basically states that you are the center
• 1:30:52
  of all your problems. Everything that's wrong in the
• 1:30:55
  world. In your life, you know, you're
• 1:30:57
  the direct Center of, you're the common denominator of all your
• 1:30:59
  problems. And so being able to use
• 1:31:02
  rationality and reason to guide you out of, you know, sticky
• 1:31:05
  circumstances and just knowing that everything could be your
• 1:31:08
  reason, that's something that's super powerful because a lot of
• 1:31:12
  people think, oh, like, what can I do?
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  You know, what can I do? And there's nothing I can do.
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  And it's all in someone else's hands and they kind of try to
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  displace the blame or they try to, you know, say it's because
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  of some unnatural event or a Mystic or Godly thing.
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  But just knowing that you can find The root of all problems.
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  You can just, you know, Iron it up and use your mind to
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  rationally, go over the most effective solution and just
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  knowing that you can, you can really accomplish anything with
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  reason. Then you can go ahead and make
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  it happen. Absolutely.
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  I couldn't agree more. I mean I used to be I mean it's
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  not exactly the same thing but like I used to be a massively -
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  person fearful of everything. Blah blah blah blah blah.
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  When that sort of life change occurred and my mind changed.
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  Because that's the thing. A lot of people don't realize
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  that it's not just about change in circumstances in your life.
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  You need to change the way that you think, because when you do
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  that, not only do you start to change, you know, circumstances
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  within your life but you changed the way you approach things, the
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  way you think about things. See a lot of the time, the
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  things in your life don't necessarily change as far as
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  that, you know, the things that are For to blah blah but your
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  perception your your approach to them the way you see them is
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  everything. I mean that's for example, the
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  reason that - people always just never achieve anything stay in
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  the same circle of sort of deny or you know, self-deprecation or
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  whatever because they can't see beyond that, they can't see that
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  whole, hey, maybe there's an opportunity.
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  Now, here's a really, very brief example.
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  What I'm trying to explain badly if you see an opportunity.
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  He come towards you and - person will look at that and go
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  probably won't work maybe this or happen after spend money and
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  and time and then this and the moon.
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  And whereas, if you are a positive person and a lot of
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  people think that being a positive person is has been like
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  he and jumping and bubbly and yeah, everything's great know
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  being positive isn't about being like that.
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  Being positive is looking at an opportunity and going, okay?
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  What if this would happen, maybe this could happen.
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  He is 50 different scenarios that could happen as a result of
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  this. This could lead to something
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  better. It's just about changing the way
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  that you think. And I think that's something
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  that all of us could probably really benefit from.
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  I think it's a fear thing when you're trapped in that circle is
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  very difficult to get that. It took me years to get to this
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  point and I would only say in the last Probably three years.
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  Did that change actually occur? Wow, takes time and takes time?
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  Yeah, I think I think I was exactly in that kind of similar
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  circumstance, like responding to Big Mysteries because I was
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  like, you know, having to go through the motions of others.
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  Go through the common core education, just being pretty
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  miserable with that, and just kind of knowing that the
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  trajectory I was on was to go to school and, you know, get a job
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  work for some schmuck. And I was just so - and it was
• 1:34:18
  like, once I was able to, you know, get out are from under
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  that and have the freedom to You actually go and grab onto
• 1:34:24
  opportunities, it lights to up and it makes you kind of realize
• 1:34:28
  that once your life in your own hands, you know, it's up to you
• 1:34:31
  to go, pursue, whatever it is you want and the world's out
• 1:34:35
  there for the taking and know, might as well, go grab what you
• 1:34:39
  want because if not you'll just stay stagnant and I'd rather be
• 1:34:43
  moved. What are the best and worst
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  things about Chicago? Mmm.
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  Well, the best thing about Chicago, I'd say is the people,
• 1:34:57
  the worst is the politicians and the weather.
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  Of course, I love you. A big wrestling fan, fan of
• 1:35:07
  professional wrestling. I'm done.
• 1:35:11
  I don't know anything of that sort, that's just Chicago's
• 1:35:15
  quite well known for that, but it was a lot of things that the
• 1:35:18
  Chicago really or isn't it? Professional wrestling.
• 1:35:21
  What is the 14 in the UK? What is the?
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  Because I don't know what generally, their perception of
• 1:35:26
  Chicago is, you know? Um, world.
• 1:35:29
  Well, I mean, I can't say, I can't speak for the UK,
• 1:35:32
  specifically, I just in general, I'd say Chicago, obviously, the
• 1:35:36
  windy city, it's known for its for that.
• 1:35:40
  It's known for for professional wrestling wrestlers, like CM
• 1:35:43
  Punk. I mean, maybe that's more of a
• 1:35:47
  wrestling specific industry thing is just one of those towns
• 1:35:50
  that's just known as very popular for it pizzas.
• 1:35:53
  Chicago. Tom Pizza is a big thing.
• 1:35:57
  Other than that, trying to Rack my brains now, Maybe the Musical
• 1:36:01
  Chicago I did some good, some good blues and jazz scenes from.
• 1:36:06
  Yeah, of course, yes. Yes yes, yes, absolutely.
• 1:36:10
  Yeah we got one, this is basically I guess like the
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  biggest things like that whole like Mafia stuff with Al Capone,
• 1:36:16
  lagging that had some good influence on, on the culture out
• 1:36:20
  here. But yeah, that we don't have too
• 1:36:21
  many like, iconic things. But there's, there's a few, you
• 1:36:25
  know, but I think I think over time people are either going to
• 1:36:30
  Get the hell out of here. Or people are going to like be
• 1:36:32
  flying over here and it's going to be interesting to see it.
• 1:36:35
  Just comes down to leadership and we don't have any great
• 1:36:37
  leaders here in Chicago. So it's just like you know, when
• 1:36:42
  the cool thing is if you are a good leader at there's a lot of
• 1:36:44
  opportunity because there's just you know, that we need good
• 1:36:48
  leaders. So when it comes to the covid-19
• 1:36:52
  pandemic, how has it affected? You has it been in Chicago?
• 1:36:58
  How has it changed your life has?
• 1:36:59
  I mean, especially, yeah. From what I understand like.
• 1:37:01
  Yeah, you've set up this business in the last three
• 1:37:03
  months, you've said it up during covid-19 so I can see how it
• 1:37:08
  would work and how you could achieve it.
• 1:37:09
  But you know, how is it actually affected your life and your
• 1:37:12
  business? Yeah, basically I'm it's allowed
• 1:37:15
  us to grit like get a lot of great talent off the bat.
• 1:37:18
  You know, people were all looking for opportunities
• 1:37:20
  looking for stuff to do and we were able to give them, you
• 1:37:22
  know, remote opportunities available right away.
• 1:37:23
  So rather than them pissing off like, you know, 80 applications
• 1:37:27
  Hey listen man, you know hop on Zoom with me and we'll start
• 1:37:30
  building right now and then you can use them.
• 1:37:32
  We were able to place some people.
• 1:37:33
  It was so powerful because you know, we had some guys that were
• 1:37:37
  going some great places and just especially during covet, you
• 1:37:41
  know. No one else was getting hired,
• 1:37:42
  but we were getting people hired away and that just felt awesome.
• 1:37:45
  Because we were able to take people with no experience, give
• 1:37:47
  them a little bit of experience and then they can go on to the
• 1:37:49
  next step in their life. But then they, you know, they
• 1:37:51
  call me up three weeks later. Hey, Xander?
• 1:37:54
  I love you. You know, I never, I never
• 1:37:56
  gotten that from anyone who wasn't family.
• 1:37:57
  You're like a long long trip onion, I've only known the guy
• 1:38:00
  for a month, but I'm like, you know, that was powerful because
• 1:38:02
  now he's doing commission sales for commercial water.
• 1:38:04
  Condensers, making a massive commission, and apparently he's
• 1:38:07
  doing really well. So, it's just like stuff like
• 1:38:08
  that feels great. And it's not, then there's
• 1:38:10
  nothing that feels better than that, but quite honestly like
• 1:38:13
  when you're when you're able to like hook someone up like that
• 1:38:18
  it's it's just awesome, it's so awesome.
• 1:38:20
  But how was so the pandemic affected everything as far as
• 1:38:24
  like getting things done or maybe barriers and Stuff like
• 1:38:28
  that. Like available higher quality
• 1:38:30
  Talent available because they restricted, right?
• 1:38:33
  Yeah. Do anything really right now
• 1:38:36
  because there's just so much idle Workforce.
• 1:38:39
  And that's what we've done with work serves.
• 1:38:41
  We've been able to utilize the underutilized.
• 1:38:42
  So those are undergrads that, you know, maybe their internship
• 1:38:45
  felt through, or The Graduate students, who are people who are
• 1:38:49
  just graduating who don't have a job, and it's just like being
• 1:38:53
  able to kind of provide, you know, opportunities to people
• 1:38:57
  that That that are capable. I totally capable.
• 1:39:02
  It's just that about other opportunities are available due
• 1:39:04
  to the present circumstances and being like a all remote company.
• 1:39:08
  Its, you know, we didn't have to have that same expenses of of,
• 1:39:13
  you know, an office that were not using or anything.
• 1:39:17
  So it was nice being able just to continue the course while so
• 1:39:23
  many others had had been so disrupted.
• 1:39:26
  Awesome. And as we draw things to a close
• 1:39:29
  today, do you have any upcoming projects or maybe some final
• 1:39:33
  thoughts that you'd like to share with our listeners?
• 1:39:36
  Yeah, I'm out here producing content every once in a while I
• 1:39:40
  throw stuff on my Instagram stories like small videos that I
• 1:39:44
  take myself. So if you're interested in some
• 1:39:46
  little anecdotes or some insights here and there XA, nder
• 1:39:50
  Kaz, that's where you can find me on most active there and and
• 1:39:53
  on LinkedIn. Awesome, thank you so much.
• 1:39:56
  I want to say a massive, thank you for agreeing to be on the
• 1:39:58
  show. It's been a pleasure talking to
• 1:39:59
  you and learning about your company and your self.
• 1:40:03
  I've had a lot of fun here. So a big, thank you.
• 1:40:06
  Yep, thank you so much. I'm glad glad to be on, and for
• 1:40:11
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• 1:40:13
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