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Hollywood Brat Keeps Dismembered Wife a SECRET, "Asian Fetish?" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Did a Hollywood brat keep
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Speaker 1: his dismembered wife a secret from all of his friends?
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Speaker 1: And did he have an Asian fetish? Their words, not mine.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us.
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Speaker 2: Sam Askell is an aspiring filmmaker and son of renowned
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Speaker 2: Hollywood executive. Maylee is a former model and student at
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Speaker 2: California State. The pair fine love and within a couple
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Speaker 2: of years they welcome three children to their California home,
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Speaker 2: but things go awry when May suddenly goes missing.
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Speaker 1: May is not missing. May is dead. Her torso, her
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Speaker 1: headless torso found in a dumpster by a dumpster diver.
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Speaker 1: She's not missing. That beautiful young mom of three was
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Speaker 1: brutally murdered and dismembered, and based on what we are learning,
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Speaker 1: she may have been dismembered while still alive. Let that
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Speaker 1: sink in. We're learning a lot about the so called
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Speaker 1: Hollywood bratt. I'm always a little suspicious when someone is
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Speaker 1: introduced and instead of telling me about themselves, they start
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Speaker 1: telling me how important their dad is. Straight out to
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Speaker 1: Gigi McKelvey, joining us host of Pretty Lies and alibis Gigi.
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Speaker 1: Who is Haskell's dad? Excuse me, the fourth Haskeled the fourth?
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Speaker 1: Who is Haskelled the Fourth's father.
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Speaker 3: His dad is a former Hollywood executive that was very successful,
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Speaker 3: and it seems like his son followed in his footsteps
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Speaker 3: wanting to be in the business. And he comes from
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Speaker 3: a very prominent and well to do family.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you say a big agent, his dad, Sam Haskell.
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Speaker 1: The third Emmy Award winning producer represents was that William Morris,
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Speaker 1: George Clooney. Can you get any bigger than that? Dolly Parton.
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Speaker 1: There's so many that I can't even name them all,
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Speaker 1: but I'm always a little suspicious. To Nima Romani, former
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Speaker 1: federal prosecutor turned trial lawyer, author of Harvard de hashtag Nima,
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Speaker 1: we have put a lot of people on the stand,
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Speaker 1: and the jury, of course, is the sole judge. It's
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Speaker 1: their province alone to judge credibility. They're the trier of
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Speaker 1: the facts and the law. But when you introduced someone,
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Speaker 1: you go, yeah, this is Sam Haskell, the fourth. His
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Speaker 1: father's a really big deal. They're multi millionaire's blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean about him?
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Speaker 4: All means he was a baby born on third Base, Nancy,
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Speaker 4: So he probably never had to work hard for anything
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Speaker 4: in his entire life because his dad was a very
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Speaker 4: successful agent at William Morris Agency, former CEO of the
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Speaker 4: Miss America pageant, I believe obviously talked about some of
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Speaker 4: the dad's clients. So this isn't someone that had to
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Speaker 4: work hard for anything that he achieved. And maybe that's
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Speaker 4: part and parcel of the problem here.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we're seeing this guy right now and I haven't
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Speaker 1: even gotten to the dismembered body. Okay, this is a
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Speaker 1: married father of three little boys. Not judging, but he
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Speaker 1: didn't work a lick in the sense that his wife
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Speaker 1: may paid the mortgage, she paid for everything. What is
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Speaker 1: it that's so irritating me. Maybe he's charged with murder
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Speaker 1: and ismemboring his wife, but he's really hitting me hard
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Speaker 1: with the kim k selfies. Here, let's listen from the
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Speaker 1: horse's mouth.
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Speaker 5: I went to a tech conference real quick, you guys,
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Speaker 5: by mistake, and the number one thing they talked about
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Speaker 5: was consistency, Like, be consistent. Now, I'm consistently never gonna
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Speaker 5: stop drinking.
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Speaker 1: Okay, be consistent. I'm never going to stop drinking. Here
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Speaker 1: is a grown man with three children. I mistakenly went
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Speaker 1: to a tech conference. Why isn't he out working? Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's watch more.
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Speaker 6: So Epic's like an epic vampire move, like pull up
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Speaker 6: an escalade outside Paul Wesley's crib. Kids are like, Dad,
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Speaker 6: where's mom going? What's mom doing? She's like, Oh, she's
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Speaker 6: gonna go chill with Brad. She's gonna go chill with
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Speaker 6: Brad Pitt for a while, maybe go to a concert.
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Speaker 1: She's not chilling with anybody. She was dismembered. We don't
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Speaker 1: even have all of her body and her parents who
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Speaker 1: moved from another country to come and help Mace. She
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Speaker 1: was working so hard to support Haskell, the fourth they're missing.
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Speaker 1: We don't even know where their bodies are. Now that's
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Speaker 1: from Sam Haskell's very own official social media pages. Let's
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Speaker 1: just look at a little bit more.
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Speaker 5: If you see me typing really fast, like looking really
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Speaker 5: productive on my laptop, just like typing typing, chances are
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Speaker 5: I'm just typing random letters and numbers.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I would have to call my husband's
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Speaker 1: mother and report that he's not really working. He's just
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Speaker 1: sitting at Starbucks typing random numbers. Did you hear what
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Speaker 1: he just said. I'm about to introduce you two of
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Speaker 1: his friends. One of them worked with him on movie projects,
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Speaker 1: which from all I've heard, he and other guys just
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Speaker 1: do good guy, bad guy in the backyard with some
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Speaker 1: very expensive movie equipment. The reason I'm showing you these
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Speaker 1: videos is because sometimes it's very hard to reconcile what
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Speaker 1: you're seeing. This guy haskel the fourth with what the
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Speaker 1: prosecutors are saying, what law enforcement is saying. That he
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Speaker 1: has murdered three people, including the mother of his three children,
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Speaker 1: and dismember them and gotten rid of their bodies. A
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Speaker 1: series of flukes led us to May his wife's body,
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Speaker 1: a series of flukes. If it had not been for
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Speaker 1: some day laborers and a homeless guy, a dumpster diver,
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Speaker 1: we would never have found her, Torso, and we would
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Speaker 1: never have known what happened to May? What about her
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Speaker 1: three boys? How were they supposed to grow up trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out if mommy was dismembered while she was
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Speaker 1: still alive. Now, I've tried to argue this to jury's
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Speaker 1: many many times that sometimes it's hard to reconcile what
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Speaker 1: you're seeing. Here's a good example, Scott Peterson right. I
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Speaker 1: watched him every morning straight into the courtroom. He looked
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Speaker 1: like the star quarterback, just walking in and all puffed up.
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Speaker 1: Many people, not me, but many people thought he was
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Speaker 1: good looking. He's got a college degree, a great job,
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Speaker 1: full insurance benefits, a loving family, his beautiful wife, a
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Speaker 1: baby on the way, a gorgeous home. Could he have
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Speaker 1: done this thing? Murdered his wife, Lacy and their unborn child, Connor,
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Speaker 1: It's hard to look at them and reconcile the facts
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Speaker 1: with what you're seeing is as if the I is
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Speaker 1: tricking the mind. Let's watch Haskell the fourth again.
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Speaker 7: Shouts out to the waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums
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Speaker 7: for just like completely burning out of my filet, Like,
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Speaker 7: what kind of a monster are you? Homie?
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Speaker 1: The entitlement Nima Ramani, I mean the entitlement of complaining
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Speaker 1: about a steak being overdone at the restaurant above Northstrum
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Speaker 1: that was probably a fifty dollars steak. Please please play
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Speaker 1: one more time.
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Speaker 7: Shouts out to the waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums
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Speaker 7: for just like completely burning the sh out of my filet,
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Speaker 7: like what kind of a monster are you.
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Speaker 1: Homian what an entitled little snot That is from Sam
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Speaker 1: Haskell's very own official social media page, Nima, remember what
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Speaker 1: you just said about Nepo Baby.
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Speaker 4: Explain, Netho Baby is someone who rides their parents' coattails.
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Speaker 4: And when I said, this guy hasn't worked a day
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Speaker 4: in his life, the jury is going to see that
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Speaker 4: and there are going to absolutely hate him. This is
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Speaker 4: no Scott Peterson or Luis Gimanngioni. This is someone that
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Speaker 4: is going to come across as unlikable. I don't know
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Speaker 4: how the lawyer's tasked with defending him are going to
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Speaker 4: have any chance at this case. But just look at him,
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Speaker 4: look at his own words. He is absolutely vile, disgusting
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Speaker 4: what's coming out of his mouth, and I think this
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Speaker 4: is going to be a quick conviction. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Back to what we know of the facts.
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Speaker 8: Listen, the headless torso of a female was found in
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Speaker 8: a trash dump Stranancino, California by a homeless man just
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Speaker 8: after six am on November eight, twenty twenty three. The
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Speaker 8: torso was identified following month as thirty seven year old
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Speaker 8: Melee Haskell, and now four months later, the autopsy report
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Speaker 8: has been released According to the autopsy report, her cause
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Speaker 8: of death has been deferred, but given the circumstances of
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Speaker 8: the case, which includes the deliberate concealment of the body
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Speaker 8: by dismemberment and disposal, the manner of death is homicidal violent.
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Speaker 1: In one moment, I'm going to an esteem medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crown's regarding the issue. Was she dismembered while alive?
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Speaker 1: At How on God's green Earth do they know that?
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Speaker 1: I think I know the answer, but I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: I want to go now to another special guest joining us.
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Speaker 1: It's Tremaine Heyho joining us out of la longtime frim
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Speaker 1: Sam Haskell the Fourth, actor, director, producer, writer, and you
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Speaker 1: can find him on YouTube at hey Ho Studios hay
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Speaker 1: ho E Studios. Tremaine, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Curious what was your reaction and when you learned Sam
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Speaker 1: Haskell the Fourth I referred to him as the Fourth
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Speaker 1: is under suspicion for triple murder, specifically the murder and
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Speaker 1: dismemberment of three people.
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Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me here, Nancy.
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Speaker 10: But it was horrific. I mean, when I heard about it,
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Speaker 10: it was shock. It was it was someone that I
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Speaker 10: had worked with and known for five years.
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Speaker 9: And this is.
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Speaker 10: Someone who at a period of time I was very
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Speaker 10: close friends with and I just like would like to
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Speaker 10: clear the air with Nima and.
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Speaker 9: The impression of of him.
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Speaker 10: He when I worked with him, I was ac, I
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Speaker 10: was assistant camera on a lot of his shoots. He
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Speaker 10: owned a red Epic Dragon and yes he had a
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Speaker 10: huge thing, oh in that.
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Speaker 1: Two hundred thousand dollars piece of camera equipment.
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Speaker 9: Somewhere around there, Yeah, one hundred to two hundred thousand.
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Speaker 1: And he was able to Yeah under who bought that
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Speaker 1: for him?
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Speaker 9: Is why?
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Speaker 1: For his daddy.
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Speaker 10: Well, he was able to finance a lot of things
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Speaker 10: that he was actually really smart with his money. And
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Speaker 10: I can attest that he made good money once with
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Speaker 10: that camera. He would make a couple grand two three
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Speaker 10: grand a day.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Tremaine Haho, I like you, I know
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Speaker 1: your na charge with murder here, but just poured gas
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Speaker 1: on the flame for me. You're saying he made good
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Speaker 1: money by renting out that camera or using that camera
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Speaker 1: on set such as even a James Bond movie, that camera,
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Speaker 1: that equipment was used because it's so refined and expensive.
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Speaker 1: But you're telling me he made good money, then why
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Speaker 1: it was may working like a slave and paying the mortgage.
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Speaker 10: I can't attest how it went after, so this might
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Speaker 10: be a huge shock to you.
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Speaker 9: Me and him had a falling out around twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 10: So he kind of had a reputation of kind of
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Speaker 10: being really nice to people, but then he might blow
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Speaker 10: up on people on set, and I kind of always
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Speaker 10: wondered if he would ever do that to me, and
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Speaker 10: eventually he did, and I kind of.
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Speaker 1: Ever, what I'm curious.
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Speaker 9: I forget what it was.
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Speaker 10: It was something trivial over a film shoot, film project
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Speaker 10: that I mean, he could I forget exactly what it was, but.
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Speaker 9: It wasn't that huge of a thing. And he just
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Speaker 9: really exploded on me.
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Speaker 10: And I have relatives that have mental illness that I
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Speaker 10: kind of have to keep a distance from them just
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Speaker 10: from learning.
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Speaker 11: You know.
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Speaker 1: But wait a minute, you're telling me, Trevine Highead, before
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Speaker 1: you jump up and give me a mental defect defense.
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Speaker 1: You told me you worked with him from many, many
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Speaker 1: years and there was never an outburst. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 9: That is no, no, no, no, there was there were outbursts.
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Speaker 10: He would he would go off on people, but you know,
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Speaker 10: getting mad at people on set over things, over trivial things.
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Speaker 9: But nothing violent. It was never anything violent that.
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Speaker 1: You continue to work with him, did you not?
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Speaker 10: I did, because it was always more of him talking
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Speaker 10: trash about the costume lady or you know, I never
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Speaker 10: could tell whether if it was he was serious or not.
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Speaker 10: And also declear the air those are He's completely joking.
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Speaker 10: I think there's a in all of his tiktoks. That's
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Speaker 10: his form of sense of humor. It might not seem
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Speaker 10: like that, it might not seem it might not seem
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Speaker 10: funny to you, But we made a short a YouTube.
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Speaker 1: Did you know? As being a writer, a producer, director, actor,
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Speaker 1: many a true word is spoken in jest. Now, let
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Speaker 1: me understand this, Tremaine Hejo. You are telling me that
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Speaker 1: you worked with him and had befriended him for years
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Speaker 1: and you never found him mentally unstable to the point
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Speaker 1: that you decided not to work with him anymore. You
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Speaker 1: quit working with him because he lost his temper at you.
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Speaker 1: Is that your understanding of the law that a hair
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Speaker 1: trigger angers mental illness, because it does not. Just because
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Speaker 1: you have a bad temper and are used to getting
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Speaker 1: everything you want because you're a Hollywood brat. That does
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Speaker 1: not equal mental illness.
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Speaker 9: Mister Heho, absolutely, and I'm going to clear the air.
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Speaker 10: I am not a mental health expert. I'm not anything.
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Speaker 10: It's just like anything when you're hanging out with friends
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Speaker 10: and they kind of go off on you, and I
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Speaker 10: don't know if you've ever experienced something like that, or
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Speaker 10: someone shows their different side of themselves that he hadn't
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Speaker 10: seen before.
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Speaker 9: So I just kind of.
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Speaker 10: Just distanced myself from him, and I am happy that
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Speaker 10: I did.
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Speaker 2: Maylee and Sam Haskell are a Cali couple living in
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Speaker 2: the suburbs of Los Angeles. When tragedy strikes, Maylee and
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Speaker 2: her parents have seemingly disappeared, and there's no word of
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Speaker 2: their whereabouts.
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Speaker 1: Well that's not entirely true. I've got word of May's whereabouts.
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Speaker 1: Torso was found in a dumpster. The PD Police Department
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Speaker 1: managed to track that back to an earlier call where
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Speaker 1: day laborers were asked to take away bags of rocks.
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Speaker 1: They looked in the bags and saw a human belly button.
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Speaker 1: That started the entire scenario. But I want to focus
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Speaker 1: on Sam Haskell, the fourth now charged in the dismemberment
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Speaker 1: and murder of his wife, her parents, who traveled all
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Speaker 1: the way to this country to help her work and
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Speaker 1: support Haskell the Fourth and their three boys. She's the
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Speaker 1: one that paid the mortgage and all the bills. They're
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Speaker 1: missing too. Their bodies have never been found. When you
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Speaker 1: don't know a horse, look at a track record. I
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Speaker 1: be willing to bet they were dismembered and their bodies discarded.
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Speaker 1: Much like Mays that said, who is this guy? There's
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Speaker 1: been a media blackout? Hey Haskell? Did you I think
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Speaker 1: we'd forget about May just because you and your powerful
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Speaker 1: family have managed to stay out of the headlights and
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Speaker 1: under the radar for all these months. Well we haven't.
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Speaker 1: What more do we know about Sam Haschool the Fourth
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Speaker 1: other than his father is super rich and super famous.
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Speaker 1: Well we've learned a lot. Listen.
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Speaker 12: Every time it's like, oh, yeah, my dad's working on
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Speaker 12: like this show, he's doing that, or like you know,
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Speaker 12: it's a bit of showing off, Like I don't know
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Speaker 12: what is that?
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Speaker 1: Like nepotism Like nepotism question mark That is from our
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Speaker 1: friends at Investigation Discovery in the shadow Death by Fame
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Speaker 1: and that woman was too afraid to have her face
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Speaker 1: shown afraid it would be a career ender in Hollywood.
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Speaker 1: But I want you to hear what is said next.
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Speaker 12: Listen all this time that Sam asked me to go
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Speaker 12: and dates with him, It's very straightforward. Let's go to dinner,
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Speaker 12: let's go to lunch, Let's go on a date. Never ever,
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Speaker 12: did I ever knew that he was married.
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Speaker 1: We have tracked down friends, colleagues, even as personal trainer.
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Speaker 1: None of them knew he was married with children. That
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Speaker 1: was from our friends and investigation discovery. In the shadow
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Speaker 1: Death by Fame, it's about Haskell the Fourth. Joining me
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Speaker 1: now is someone who is not afraid to speak out.
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Speaker 1: Bella Snow joining us from La, a former friend of
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Speaker 1: Haskell the Fourth, a digital creator. You can tell by
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Speaker 1: looking at her that she's also a model. She's on
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Speaker 1: YouTube at Bella Snow, on Insta at bella dot c
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Speaker 1: dot snow, at TikTok at bella dot c dot snow,
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Speaker 1: Miss Snow, thank you for being with us. What was
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Speaker 1: your reaction when you learned that Sam Haskell the Fourth
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Speaker 1: was charged with not just murder but dismembering his wife May.
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Speaker 13: When I find out, I was totally shocked because Sam
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Speaker 13: is somebody that I know for like a very long time,
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Speaker 13: almost ten years back when it was just nineteen, just
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Speaker 13: moved to La being in fashion school and we both
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Speaker 13: work in fashion together. And when I find out the
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Speaker 13: news is that the Sam I really knew because Sam
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Speaker 13: was the nicest person to me ever, and we get
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Speaker 13: to know each other and we do have like a
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Speaker 13: lot of dinner, late night work. I stay up his
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Speaker 13: house many times to work with editing. It was a
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Speaker 13: total shock for me. I'm still shocked now that this happened.
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Speaker 1: So there was never any hint that he had a
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Speaker 1: bad temper.
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Speaker 13: That never He always like the nicest one to me.
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Speaker 13: I know he does have a little bit more tempered
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Speaker 13: to his co worker because he does. During our shoot,
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Speaker 13: we he hired a whole team of production, and I
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Speaker 13: do send the send of like being a boss in
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Speaker 13: the production. But he was always being nice to like
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Speaker 13: the talent.
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Speaker 1: Question, Bella just going out on a limb here did
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Speaker 1: he hit on you?
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Speaker 13: He did? Yes, I think that's going to be the
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Speaker 13: first time when we met each other. We do have
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Speaker 13: a little bit more like flirting back and forth. And
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Speaker 13: then we find out we're both in fashion and production,
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Speaker 13: so that's why we collaborate with each other.
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Speaker 4: Crowd the year.
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Speaker 1: What did he have to do with fashion?
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Speaker 13: So is he used in Trappis red camera at the
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Speaker 13: LA Fashion Week recording the fashion week show. And I
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Speaker 13: attend a lot of the fashion week shows and one
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Speaker 13: of the shows he came up to me like, oh,
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Speaker 13: you look like because I was walking one to the
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Speaker 13: show and he would love to collaborate. And that's when
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Speaker 13: I told him, Oh, I was also a fashion designer.
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Speaker 13: I was a passion student just graduated so operate. He
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Speaker 13: would have a lot of clients in the music industry
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Speaker 13: making music video and I as a fashion designer, I
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Speaker 13: would design his client's outfit for the music video and
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Speaker 13: also work in pro production editing. So I also show
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Speaker 13: him how to edit and he would ask me back
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Speaker 13: for how should we cut this? How we cut that?
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Speaker 9: So we would work.
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Speaker 13: A lot of late night together in like fashion film.
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Speaker 13: We do a lot of fashion film together.
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Speaker 1: Also, now you stated that you worked late nights with
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Speaker 1: him at his home.
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Speaker 13: Yes, I did. I did spend a few nights over.
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Speaker 13: We do have a little bit a lot of late
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Speaker 13: night dinner. We spend a lot of time together editing
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Speaker 13: on the computer. Because the red camera does take a
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Speaker 13: whole day to practice process for us to editing, so
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Speaker 13: we do spend a lot of time together.
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Speaker 1: Yet even though you were in the home with his
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Speaker 1: wife and children, he still hit on you.
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Speaker 13: Yes, because I did not know during the time that
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Speaker 13: we were together he was married. His dad does have
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Speaker 13: a lot a home here in LA and that's why
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Speaker 13: we normally do our filming and editing. I have no
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Speaker 13: idea he was married all with May because that's the
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Speaker 13: only home he lived, and I spent many night and
21:16
Speaker 13: there was nobody else ever there, so I would never
21:20
Speaker 13: know that he was married.
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Speaker 1: So he had another home.
21:23
Speaker 13: So this is his dad growing up, childhood's home. He
21:26
Speaker 13: would all have his pool, his treehouse, and he'd show, oh,
21:30
Speaker 13: that's the treehouse I was growing up and playing out outside.
21:34
Speaker 13: That's also like a dollhouse in a bag, basketball court
21:36
Speaker 13: and everything. And that's where he lived. And I was
21:40
Speaker 13: spend in his room and everything, and nobody else lived
21:42
Speaker 13: there but him.
21:44
Speaker 14: Just before four pm on Tuesday, November seventh, Sam Haskell
21:47
Speaker 14: the fourth hire so a couple of day laborers for
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Speaker 14: five hundred dollars to take three bags of rocks to
21:53
Speaker 14: the dump. The men open a bag, seeing a belly button,
21:57
Speaker 14: The men returned the bags and the money. Haskell, who
22:01
Speaker 14: claims they saw Halloween, prompts the workers go to the police,
22:05
Speaker 14: but ended up having to call nine to one one
22:07
Speaker 14: from the parking lot. By the time cops get to Hiskell's,
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Speaker 14: Haskell is gone and so are the bags.
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Speaker 1: Halloween props. H gg McKelvey joining me, host of Pretty
22:21
Speaker 1: Lies and Alibi's podcast, GGI again, thank you for being
22:25
Speaker 1: with us. Wait, so he hires day laborers just are
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Speaker 1: people pawns to this guy. He thinks they're not gonna
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Speaker 1: look in the bag, didn't They say that? He told
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Speaker 1: them that they were carrying rocks, but it felt squishy,
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Speaker 1: and they looked in and see a human belly button.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened. He threw five hundred dollars at
22:49
Speaker 3: these four men and had them come to the house
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Speaker 3: and said, I need you to.
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Speaker 1: Haul off these bagg of rocks.
22:55
Speaker 3: Felt squishy, They look inside into their horror, they see
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Speaker 3: human rem They bring the bags back and leave them
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Speaker 3: in the driveway, give the money back, call police, but
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Speaker 3: when police arrive, the bags are gone and never to
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Speaker 3: be found again.
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Speaker 1: Gigi, there was a big screw up right there. You're
23:14
Speaker 1: absolutely correct. The day laborers go, oh, it's a human stomach.
23:19
Speaker 1: These are not rocks. They go to the police. The
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Speaker 1: police go, uh, you got to call nine one one.
23:25
Speaker 1: They send the day laborers out in the parking lot
23:29
Speaker 1: and they call nine one one. So the police finally
23:32
Speaker 1: get to Haskell four's and what do they find.
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Speaker 9: Nothing?
23:36
Speaker 3: The bags were gone, they were not there. And I
23:39
Speaker 3: mean there was a huge time gap there where if
23:42
Speaker 3: it had been addressed immediately, maybe they would have solved
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Speaker 3: this case a lot sooner than it not taken the
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Speaker 3: next day to get him arrested.
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Speaker 1: And maybe May's parents would still be alive. But maybe
23:57
Speaker 1: just to maybe Nimo Romani, I guarantee to you this
24:01
Speaker 1: is what Haskell four was thinking. That these day laborers
24:06
Speaker 1: were undocumented and they wouldn't risk going to police. He
24:10
Speaker 1: thought they would dump the bags of May's remains and
24:15
Speaker 1: be in the wind, guarantee you. He never thought they'd
24:19
Speaker 1: be state's witnesses.
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's absolutely right, Nancy. He wants someone to do
24:22
Speaker 4: his dirty work, and who better than someone that may
24:25
Speaker 4: be afraid of the police themselves. And you're right, Lapd,
24:30
Speaker 4: you really dropped the ball at least in terms of
24:32
Speaker 4: the investigation at the outset, and you're talking to someone
24:36
Speaker 4: who lives and works in the city of la But
24:40
Speaker 4: fortunately those labors they did the right thing. They contacted
24:43
Speaker 4: law enforcement. They call nine to one one, which really
24:45
Speaker 4: makes no sense because that goes to HB dispatch and Sacramento,
24:49
Speaker 4: which then reroutes the call back to LAPD. So whoever
24:52
Speaker 4: gave him that advice was the wrong advice, but ultimately
24:55
Speaker 4: they got it right. And who knows you're right, Nancy.
24:58
Speaker 4: Maybe if they acted soon, May's parents would have been alive.
25:02
Speaker 4: So this is the type of thing that it's not
25:04
Speaker 4: a shoplifting case. It's not something minor. You're talking about
25:08
Speaker 4: dead body parts.
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Speaker 11: You got to act.
25:10
Speaker 4: If your LAPD detectives do.
25:12
Speaker 1: Better, pronto, pronto again. Joining me, Tremaine Heho a long
25:19
Speaker 1: time former friend of Haskell on the Fourth writer, director,
25:24
Speaker 1: producer at hay Host Studios, at YouTube, Tremaine, it's not
25:29
Speaker 1: just murder, And I really want you to dig deep
25:34
Speaker 1: and tell me your impressions of Haskell contemporaneous with the
25:39
Speaker 1: time that you need him, not now, because what you
25:42
Speaker 1: saw then is what he's going to try and imitate
25:47
Speaker 1: at trial.
25:48
Speaker 9: I don't.
25:49
Speaker 10: Yeah, if he's a lot can happen in eight years
25:52
Speaker 10: and if he is guilty as sin, lock him up
25:55
Speaker 10: and throw away the keep. But it is all again,
25:59
Speaker 10: it's all Ad is such a terrible situation. I feel
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Speaker 10: bad for his folks who let me clear the air.
26:04
Speaker 10: His folks were really nice, sweet, consistently, so.
26:07
Speaker 1: I feel bad asking about him as a person. What
26:10
Speaker 1: did he project? What kind of a person? I mean,
26:14
Speaker 1: we're talking about body parts in a trash bag day
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Speaker 1: laborers seeing a belly button.
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Speaker 10: I wouldn't have I wouldn't have guessed. And he doesn't
26:26
Speaker 10: seem to be a criminal mastermind.
26:28
Speaker 9: That was that.
26:29
Speaker 10: Thank God for those day laborers who stood up for
26:32
Speaker 10: them selves. And it's ridiculous that LAPD didn't take them serious.
26:36
Speaker 9: I mean, this is.
26:37
Speaker 10: This is really horrible and again I'm I'm trying not
26:43
Speaker 10: to think about it, but we don't know. If we
26:46
Speaker 10: can't find the poor parents, it's it's just all bad.
26:50
Speaker 10: But let me ask you this as a lawyer, are
26:52
Speaker 10: you got a question?
26:54
Speaker 1: You and Bella are in the business, the TV, the
26:59
Speaker 1: entertainment industry, Tremaine. There has been a noticeable radio silence
27:06
Speaker 1: on Haskell the Forest case, if you go on and
27:10
Speaker 1: google him. Okay, if you do even that much less
27:13
Speaker 1: and intensive investigation that we've done, there's practically nothing for
27:18
Speaker 1: months on end. Could that be orchestrated by a powerful PR.
27:25
Speaker 9: Machine, Well, that that would be actually nothing.
27:28
Speaker 10: That would actually be my question to you as an attorney,
27:31
Speaker 10: what happens if there's a radio silence, if there's you're
27:35
Speaker 10: not hearing about the case.
27:36
Speaker 9: What does that mean exact? And how long do these
27:40
Speaker 9: cases take?
27:41
Speaker 10: Is is it going to be a long case or
27:43
Speaker 10: is it going to be cut and dry? Oh?
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you it's going to be a really really
27:48
Speaker 1: protracted investigation and case because the forensics alone, tremaine he hoo,
27:55
Speaker 1: are going to be oh gosh numbing. You've got at
28:01
Speaker 1: least one body. We don't have a CEOD cause of
28:04
Speaker 1: death because the body was dismembered. We don't know if
28:07
Speaker 1: she was alive when she was dismembered. A lot has
28:10
Speaker 1: to be explained to the jury, not only that this
28:13
Speaker 1: is May's remains, but that we know, based on hopefully
28:20
Speaker 1: deox survivo nucleic acid DNA or fingerprints or some other
28:24
Speaker 1: genetic material that he Sam Haskell is the person that
28:29
Speaker 1: killed her. That's going to be a labor intensive endeavor
28:34
Speaker 1: for the medical examiner. But I guess let me just
28:37
Speaker 1: rephrase my question, Tremaine Haho, how did he strike you?
28:42
Speaker 1: What was his personality? That's what I'm trying to get.
28:46
Speaker 10: When I was working with him, he was funny and
28:49
Speaker 10: really dry humor. But he did have a temper at times,
28:52
Speaker 10: that's all about I'll say. But he never really blew
28:55
Speaker 10: up on me. He'd be more of the type of
28:56
Speaker 10: guy to get thrown out a cheesecake factory than you
29:00
Speaker 10: made a crime like this. But again, this is this
29:04
Speaker 10: is all bad. This is horrible, and I hope they
29:08
Speaker 10: find evidence in that.
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Speaker 1: Justice crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 15: The couple is married in twenty ten, and as they
29:26
Speaker 15: welcome children, May's parents move in with the family to
29:29
Speaker 15: help with childcare.
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Speaker 16: Pascal's friends and co workers agree they had no idea
29:33
Speaker 16: he was married with children. Haskell made no mention of
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Speaker 16: May or any of his three sons in the years
29:39
Speaker 16: they worked with him. Friends that did get close enough
29:41
Speaker 16: to Haskell to run into May say Haskell never stopped
29:44
Speaker 16: to introduce her, much less greet.
29:46
Speaker 1: Her to renowned clinical and forensic neuropsychologist, author of the
29:51
Speaker 1: New Rules of Attachment and Stop Self Sabotage, Doctor Judy
29:56
Speaker 1: Hoe Docter. Judy, thank you for being with us. What
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Speaker 1: does this mean? I mean when I look at the
30:03
Speaker 1: gorgeous bell of snow and I think about all the
30:06
Speaker 1: times Haskell four was with her, never mentioned his wife
30:11
Speaker 1: and children hit on her, And now we know he had,
30:14
Speaker 1: according to others their words, not mine, and Asian fetish.
30:19
Speaker 1: How does that play into the alleged murder of his wife,
30:24
Speaker 1: who is Asian? May Well, Nancy, there was definitely a
30:28
Speaker 1: pattern here.
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Speaker 17: There were other people who reported that they never knew
30:31
Speaker 17: about his family, that he was married, didn't know who
30:34
Speaker 17: may was, even if they did see her in passing
30:37
Speaker 17: or even when they stopped in their house. And it's
30:40
Speaker 17: interesting that he does have this focus on a specific
30:45
Speaker 17: physical type. There's certain beliefs sometimes that people may hold
30:49
Speaker 17: if they truly have what is termed an Asian fetish
30:52
Speaker 17: about Asian women perhaps traditionally being more submissive, and some
30:57
Speaker 17: people are more attracted to that as a value. There
31:00
Speaker 17: are other reasons too, of course, Nancy. But I think
31:03
Speaker 17: what we know is that this person is clearly two cited.
31:06
Speaker 17: We're hearing reports that he has a temper issue. We've
31:09
Speaker 17: seen reports in the news that May's past friends have
31:13
Speaker 17: said that she's been thinking of leaving him, but she
31:16
Speaker 17: can't because she's afraid that perhaps there will be repercussions
31:20
Speaker 17: because he comes from such a powerful family, and she
31:22
Speaker 17: doesn't want to lose custody of her sons. And I
31:25
Speaker 17: just think that there was so much more beneath the
31:27
Speaker 17: surface that he never showed anyone. He makes these social
31:30
Speaker 17: media posts like he knows everything, and yet in his
31:34
Speaker 17: family life. What kind of father was he? What kind
31:36
Speaker 17: of husband was he? Did he actually threaten me that
31:39
Speaker 17: she can't leave him because he might try to take
31:42
Speaker 17: full custody of the children. There's so much that we
31:45
Speaker 17: don't know.
31:46
Speaker 1: What is it main psychologically, you're the forensic neuro psychologist
31:50
Speaker 1: and author that he, according to the state, murdered her,
31:55
Speaker 1: possibly dismembering her before she was dead, and throw her
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Speaker 1: in a trash bag, having day laborers come to krt
32:04
Speaker 1: off her remains, and when that failed, according to an
32:07
Speaker 1: eye witness, he disposed of her body in a dumpster
32:11
Speaker 1: with refuse.
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Speaker 17: Well, Nancy, that shows a couple of things. One is
32:14
Speaker 17: of course blatant disrespect that he would just murder her
32:18
Speaker 17: and then dispose of her in such an egregious way.
32:21
Speaker 17: But secondly, it doesn't seem like he's really truly thought
32:24
Speaker 17: through the consequences. That first he was going to just
32:26
Speaker 17: ask these day labors to get rid of these remains,
32:28
Speaker 17: lied that they were rocks. Clearly, the day laborers knew
32:32
Speaker 17: as soon as they picked up the bag that it
32:34
Speaker 17: didn't feel like rocks because it was soft and soggy.
32:37
Speaker 17: And then secondly the fact that then he thought he
32:40
Speaker 17: would just dispose of it himself and get away with it. Clearly,
32:43
Speaker 17: this is not a person who's truly a criminal mastermind
32:46
Speaker 17: if he thought he could get away with all of
32:48
Speaker 17: these actions. But I think that we saw that there
32:50
Speaker 17: were some warning signs. Perhaps he was obsessed with violence
32:54
Speaker 17: in his own movies and projects. He had weapons all
32:57
Speaker 17: around the house to the point where neighbors were feeling
33:00
Speaker 17: like it would be unsafe for their children to go
33:01
Speaker 17: play in their house. So there was some kind of
33:04
Speaker 17: fascination with brutal killings and violence. And it's just so
33:08
Speaker 17: sad nancy that it ended up in this way, and
33:11
Speaker 17: even more ridiculous, that he thought he could get away
33:14
Speaker 17: with all of this by essentially hiring somebody, paying them
33:18
Speaker 17: five hundred dollars to get rid of all of the evidence.
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Speaker 1: And betting on the fact that they would never become
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Speaker 1: state's witness or go to police. Joining me now is
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner Terran County. That's fort Worth,
33:33
Speaker 1: never a lack of business, and he is the star
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Speaker 1: of a brand new hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue.
33:40
Speaker 1: He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
33:43
Speaker 1: Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crown's. First of all, congratulations
33:49
Speaker 1: on your new venture, your podcast, may Him in the Morgue.
33:52
Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's, how could there be confusion on the
33:56
Speaker 1: part of the medical examiner that they cannot tell the
34:00
Speaker 1: cod cause of death and we don't know whether may
34:06
Speaker 1: was dismembered while still alive.
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Speaker 11: Okay, well for s thanks for the congratulations, fancy. But secondly,
34:14
Speaker 11: the main thing is is all you have is a
34:16
Speaker 11: torso you don't have a head, you don't have the extremities.
34:19
Speaker 11: So the medical examiners are dealing with the fact that
34:22
Speaker 11: they're looking for injuries that they made. They don't have
34:24
Speaker 11: a complete body, so they don't know if she was
34:26
Speaker 11: strangled or she was shot in the head or something
34:29
Speaker 11: along those lines. Unless there's a direct injury to the
34:33
Speaker 11: torso that they can say, oh, that looks like a
34:35
Speaker 11: stab wound. They're kind of left with not a complete body,
34:38
Speaker 11: so they don't have complete information, so they're going to
34:41
Speaker 11: wait and see if they can find any more body parts.
34:44
Speaker 11: But in the meantime, they know she died. They know
34:48
Speaker 11: she was dismembered, so she was murdered in some fashion.
34:52
Speaker 11: They can look at the body, the torso itself and
34:54
Speaker 11: look for injuries that would show that she was still
34:57
Speaker 11: living if she was dismembered while still alive, and that's
35:02
Speaker 11: hemorrhage and the tissues around the dismembering sites. If you
35:05
Speaker 11: see that, you know their heart was still beating when
35:08
Speaker 11: they were cutting the limbs off in the head off.
35:10
Speaker 11: And again, they don't have the whole body, so they're
35:13
Speaker 11: kind of left with half answers, and that's why they're
35:16
Speaker 11: still hesitant of giving an exact cause of death that
35:19
Speaker 11: they know the manner of death is homicide.
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Speaker 1: Back to special Guest joining us Bella Snow Digital creator
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Speaker 1: model at YouTube. She's at Bella Snow Bella And all
35:34
Speaker 1: the time that you knew Haskell the fourth, you were
35:39
Speaker 1: never told he was married with three little boys, that
35:43
Speaker 1: his wife was the one paying the mortgage while he
35:47
Speaker 1: was living part time at his bat cave. When you
35:53
Speaker 1: hear doctor Kendall Crowd's describing what happened to May, what
35:59
Speaker 1: goes through your mind?
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Speaker 13: What went through my mind is that could have been me.
36:05
Speaker 13: Me and Sam didn't officially date, but we do dayly
36:10
Speaker 13: a few years and we spent a lot of pun
36:12
Speaker 13: together during the same time that he knew May and
36:17
Speaker 13: he married May, and nobody know that he was married
36:20
Speaker 13: or have kids. My makeup artists or everybody that worked
36:24
Speaker 13: in the production, nobody knew. We never saw such a
36:27
Speaker 13: big family. We never seen a wedding photo. We never
36:31
Speaker 13: have kids photo. He posts a lot of social media,
36:34
Speaker 13: but he'd never posts any of his family that. We
36:36
Speaker 13: never seen any of Sam wedding photo, so we never knew.
36:42
Speaker 1: That's really interesting, Bella Snow that not only did you
36:47
Speaker 1: not know about May, but he never showed photos of
36:51
Speaker 1: his three boys. Nothing.
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Speaker 13: No, we never saw a photo of him in like
36:56
Speaker 13: a family setting. I remember he showed me photo of May.
37:03
Speaker 13: But he showed me a photo of May because he
37:06
Speaker 13: does have a lot of different female girls in his
37:10
Speaker 13: podject and he would ask me about what my opinion
37:13
Speaker 13: is during his casting and like, oh, what do you
37:15
Speaker 13: think about this girl? And like, oh, she's pretty, and
37:18
Speaker 13: he just mentioned, oh, she's just a model, until now
37:21
Speaker 13: that I find out that May was actually his wife
37:25
Speaker 13: when he showed me pictures.
37:26
Speaker 1: So he asks you, the woman that he's hitting on,
37:31
Speaker 1: what you think of his wife's looks without divulging at
37:34
Speaker 1: his wife.
37:36
Speaker 13: Yes, he just mentioned, oh, that's just another model, because
37:42
Speaker 13: he does picture take picture a lot of different female models.
37:45
Speaker 13: Because at that moment we was working he was also
37:48
Speaker 13: working on casting of who's his dream character is for
37:53
Speaker 13: this movie he's trying to make. And he always asked
37:56
Speaker 13: me what do you think this person? What do you
37:57
Speaker 13: think of this person? And make us a him up
38:01
Speaker 13: and he said, oh, it's just another model. He never
38:04
Speaker 13: mentioned May was actually his wife until I find out
38:08
Speaker 13: now that was married to May.
38:11
Speaker 1: I guess that's the moment you're never going to forget.
38:14
Speaker 1: When he asked you to pass judgment on his wife, Bella.
38:18
Speaker 1: You were there to observe the people that he cast
38:24
Speaker 1: did He cast primarily Asian women.
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Speaker 13: Most of the movie he make is based on like
38:30
Speaker 13: he kind of wanted to make like a live action
38:32
Speaker 13: of an Asian movie, Asian college high school. So you
38:35
Speaker 13: do have a lot of Asian casting also called Asian.
38:39
Speaker 13: But he does have his dream team. It does flirt
38:46
Speaker 13: with a lot of Asian girls. I do have a
38:48
Speaker 13: lot of Asian friends that we do projects together, and like, oh,
38:51
Speaker 13: she's pretty, she's pretty, but she never he never flirt
38:54
Speaker 13: with anybody else in front of me.
38:56
Speaker 1: Would you say that you had a dating relationship with him?
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Speaker 13: I did it so back then. It's always people know
39:04
Speaker 13: that it's oh it's Bella and Sam because we spend
39:07
Speaker 13: a lot of time together. We have a lot of
39:10
Speaker 13: late night dinner after he got back to work, and yeah,
39:14
Speaker 13: we just spend time like normal dating couple do would.
39:18
Speaker 13: And I would never know that he was married because
39:21
Speaker 13: it was never came up or he always lived by himself.
39:25
Speaker 1: Bella, I'm just looking at you and you're so particular,
39:30
Speaker 1: You're so beautiful, and I just thank god that you
39:34
Speaker 1: never angered him to the extent that you ended up
39:38
Speaker 1: in a trash bag and I want to thank you
39:41
Speaker 1: for joining us, Bella.
39:43
Speaker 13: Thank you for having me. It did him to my
39:47
Speaker 13: head many times that that could have been me. I
39:51
Speaker 13: could have been that transferl in that body back and
39:54
Speaker 13: become sick o'cock me. That could have been me.
39:58
Speaker 1: Even though the media has gone radio silent on the
40:01
Speaker 1: Haskell four investigation, the state is still building their case.
40:06
Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
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Speaker 1: death of may or her parents, please dale eight hundred
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Speaker 1: two two two eight four seven seven repeat eight hundred
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Speaker 1: two two two tips. Thank you to our guests for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Needsy Grace signing off, good night friend,