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The Kenny Report | 29 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 4: Claims of foreign interference in our election as till campaigners
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  Speaker 4: claim linked to Chinese organizations and they are linked to
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  Speaker 4: the Communist government.
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  Speaker 3: Also, I'll show you.
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  Speaker 4: Exclusive footage of a leading Labor MP demanding to know
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  Speaker 4: the religion of Liberal campaigners. Nuclear experts hitting back against
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  Speaker 4: misinformation directed at Australia's nuclear energy options. And Canada responds
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  Speaker 4: to Donald Trump by electing a leftist government across to
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  Speaker 4: Christen Tate in the US. Also Tim Blair, Susio O'Brien
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  Speaker 4: and Stephen Senny, Tiempo and lots more.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 4: It's getting ugly out there on the election campaign trail,
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  Speaker 4: and Labor is the party that seems to be stirring
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  Speaker 4: up the tensions. In a moment, I'll show you exclusive
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  Speaker 4: footage of a leading light of the Labor Party demanding
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  Speaker 4: to know the religion of Liberal volunteers, demanding to know
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  Speaker 4: whether they are members of the.
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  Speaker 3: Brethren Christian group. I kid you not now.
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  Speaker 4: Andrew Charlton was once an economic advisor to Kevin Rudd
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  Speaker 4: when he was Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 3: He went on to be a successful.
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  Speaker 4: Businessman and became a millionaire, and he moved out of
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  Speaker 4: this twenty million dollar mansion in Sydney's exclusive Bellevue Hill
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  Speaker 4: when he won the marginal seat of Parramatta at the
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  Speaker 4: last election. And Oxford educated economist Charlton is already being
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  Speaker 4: talked about as a possible rival or successor to Jim
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  Speaker 4: Charmers as federal Treasurer, which is why it's kind of
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  Speaker 4: strange to see these pictures of him filming or taking
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  Speaker 4: photos of liberal campaign volunteers in his electorate.
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  Speaker 3: This seems to.
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  Speaker 4: Be an odd or even harassing behavior, especially from the
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  Speaker 4: sitting labor MP. But last Sunday, Charlton took this dramatic
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  Speaker 4: step further to liberal campaigners with door knocking in his
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  Speaker 4: electorate when they claim one household called Charlton on the
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  Speaker 4: phone and he soon arrived.
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  Speaker 3: Have a look at what transpired.
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  Speaker 2: What are you going to do for us?
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  Speaker 5: Andrew?
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  Speaker 3: Are you a member of the exclusive?
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  Speaker 2: What are you going to do for us today?
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  Speaker 5: Andrew?
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  Speaker 6: Are you if you get elected?
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  Speaker 3: What are you going to do?
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to save our healthcare system. I'm going to
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  Speaker 7: make sure that more people can see a doctor. I'm
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  Speaker 7: going to make sure that we introduce our policies to
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  Speaker 7: improve Australia's economy, which we've been doing frequently good. I've
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  Speaker 7: been making sure that we're telling the truth.
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  Speaker 3: And what does where we all are? And what does
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  Speaker 3: religion have to do with volunteering?
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  Speaker 7: Are you going to answer my question?
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  Speaker 8: Are you going to ant him on?
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  Speaker 3: I'll take that as a note, see you later.
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  Speaker 4: What the what business is it of Charlton's to ask
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  Speaker 4: people about their religion? Why is it relevant? I asked
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  Speaker 4: Charlton for an interview tonight and got no response. I
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  Speaker 4: then texted him the following questions, Why have you asked
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  Speaker 4: liberal volunteers if they are exclusive Brethren? Why have you
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  Speaker 4: videoed or taken photos of liberal campaigners? Have you asked
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  Speaker 4: any volunteers if they are Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Catholic?
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  Speaker 4: Why would you wish to know the religion of a campaigner?
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  Speaker 4: And do you believe in religious freedom? I've received no
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  Speaker 4: response from Charlton, But the answer to Charlton's intrusions can
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  Speaker 4: be found in the attention that Labor is focusing on
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  Speaker 4: the Christian religious group the Brethren. Several media reports have
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  Speaker 4: claimed that Brethren members are helping to supply liberal campaign
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  Speaker 4: volunteers for various marginal seats.
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  Speaker 3: Just why this would be a problem is unclear.
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  Speaker 4: Anyone should be able to volunteer to help out in
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  Speaker 4: an an election campaign, and the coalition relies on volunteers,
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  Speaker 4: unlike Labor which has the vast paid resources of the
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  Speaker 4: union movement to help out. But even the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 4: seems to have it in for this particular Christian group.
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  Speaker 9: You have all sorts of strange occurrences with a cult,
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  Speaker 9: the Exclusive Brethren that they need to explain going forward.
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  Speaker 9: Where are all these people coming from? Why are they
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  Speaker 9: campaigning on booths? They don't vote, by the way, but
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  Speaker 9: they all of a sudden have found this enthusiasm in
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  Speaker 9: their hundreds to travel around the country to hand out
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  Speaker 9: how to vote. What's the quid pro quote there?
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  Speaker 3: What is going on there?
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  Speaker 4: They don't vote, surely that's up to them. It's a
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  Speaker 4: secret ballot and a cult. And what's going on there
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  Speaker 4: volunteers helping out in a campaign? Is Anthony Albinezi opposed
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  Speaker 4: to Christians?
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  Speaker 3: What business is it?
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  Speaker 4: Here's or of Charlton's what religion any single campaigner happens
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  Speaker 4: to be and as for a quid pro quo, what
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  Speaker 4: does the union movement get for bankrolling labor. We all
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  Speaker 4: know the answer to that one, but I really reckoned
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  Speaker 4: that Alban Easy and Charlton and Labor more generally ought
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  Speaker 4: to show a bit more respect for religious freedom in
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  Speaker 4: this country and stop interrogating people about what religious groups
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  Speaker 4: they may or may not belong to. Also on the
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  Speaker 4: campaign trail today we saw ridiculous sheneantigans from anti nuclear
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  Speaker 4: protesters that managed to disrupt an event organized for Peter
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  Speaker 4: Dutton at a new South Wales sports ground. Young sports
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  Speaker 4: people were going to be involved in the funding announcement,
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  Speaker 4: but the protesters shut.
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  Speaker 3: Down the event and ruin the moment for the locals.
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  Speaker 3: I think that will be the center of the person.
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  Speaker 5: Second, that's what.
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  Speaker 3: The people put pushing it.
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  Speaker 5: We're just doing a favorite frankly, by letting everyone.
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  Speaker 4: Will become a reality.
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  Speaker 10: They were Greens and Tail supporters dressed up and it
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  Speaker 10: was a stunt. So it's made no difference to me,
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  Speaker 10: but in terms of the protest activity, but it disrupted
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  Speaker 10: an event where we wanted to talk about helping kids
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  Speaker 10: play junior rugby.
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  Speaker 4: It was later confirmed that the protesters were members of
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  Speaker 4: the South Coast Labor Council. So this was the union
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  Speaker 4: movement and the broader labor movement effectively disrupting the opposition
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  Speaker 4: leader's campaign. That hardly demonstrates a commitment to democracy. That
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  Speaker 4: apparently is the labor movement's way to fight an election.
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  Speaker 4: And what a bunch of technological troglodytes they happened to be,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, opposing the modern fuel source of nuclear Well,
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  Speaker 4: when I say modern, it's one that other nations have
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  Speaker 4: used for seventy years or more. But there's the only clean,
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  Speaker 4: reliable and dense form of electricity generation that we have.
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  Speaker 4: Yet these dinosaurs rejected, supposedly because they prefer expensive, unreliable
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  Speaker 4: power and a landscape blighted by wind turbines, solar factories
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  Speaker 4: and transmission lines. And they call themselves the Workers Party.
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  Speaker 4: Sticking with the theme of horrible campaign tactics, there was
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  Speaker 4: also this Today.
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  Speaker 11: Peter Dutton's office in Brisbane has been vandalized for the
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  Speaker 11: third time in the past two weeks. Police have charged
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  Speaker 11: an eighteen year old woman over the incident, alleging she
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  Speaker 11: covered the walls with red paint. Posters were hung outside
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  Speaker 11: the building with messages about Gaza, Donald Trump, and aboriginal law.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm not suggesting this one had anything to do
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  Speaker 4: with the Labor Party or the labor movement, but I
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  Speaker 4: do suggest it's more evidence of the hatred we see
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  Speaker 4: from the green left. Generally stick to a contest of ideas,
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  Speaker 4: people stick to an open political debate. Perhaps even more
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  Speaker 4: disturbing than all that is the possibility that we're seeing
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  Speaker 4: foreign interference in.
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  Speaker 3: This election campaign.
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  Speaker 4: A video has emerged through nine Media showing volunteers sprooking
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  Speaker 4: for the Teal MP for Couyong Monique Ryan in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 4: and they say they're backing Ryan on the instructions of
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  Speaker 4: g Jung Min.
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  Speaker 3: They're trying to.
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  Speaker 12: Fire grap find out you know why you both are
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  Speaker 12: supporting and obviously.
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  Speaker 13: Volunteering for Monique Ryan.
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  Speaker 14: Why yeah, yeah, plants just TERMI fort this is a woman.
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  Speaker 15: They said, where.
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  Speaker 3: Did you wish?
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  Speaker 16: Way?
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  Speaker 6: Now?
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  Speaker 4: Jin Jung Min heads up an organization called the Hubai Association,
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  Speaker 4: which has been accused of working with the Chinese Communist
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  Speaker 4: governments United Front organization to exert Chinese Communist Party influence abroad.
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  Speaker 3: As for the MP herself, she claims no knowledge of
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  Speaker 3: what's going on.
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  Speaker 13: Because I don't want the dominy concerns about this, and
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  Speaker 13: in the interests of full transparency, I've contacted the AEC
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  Speaker 13: and the Department of Parliamentary Services and given them the
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  Speaker 13: details that I gave to the AHSA about my relationship
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  Speaker 13: with those volunteers and with mister g and I've said, look,
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  Speaker 13: if you've got any concerns, please investigate.
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  Speaker 8: This must be investigated as a matter of foreign interference
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  Speaker 8: by the Australian Federal Police and ASIO as part of
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  Speaker 8: the Electoral Insurance Integrity Task Force. And Manik Ryan must
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  Speaker 8: be transparent and open about what she knew about this
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  Speaker 8: alleged foreign interference scheme and whether she was involved in
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  Speaker 8: it in any way.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the Australian Electoral Commission is now conducting an investigation
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  Speaker 4: which is bound to involve the Federal Police and our
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  Speaker 4: intelligence agencies too. But I'd make this very clear and
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  Speaker 4: obvious point. Anyone backing Monique Ryan or any of the
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  Speaker 4: other TILL candidates in this campaign is effectively campaigning against
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  Speaker 4: a coalition government. In other words, if the Chinese government
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  Speaker 4: wants Ryan to win in Kuyong, it wants the coalition
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  Speaker 4: to lose ipso facto, Beijing wants the handsome boy Alban
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  Speaker 4: Easy to stick around, and why wouldn't they when he
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  Speaker 4: responds to their unannounced live firing exercises in the Tasman
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  Speaker 4: Sea like this.
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  Speaker 9: Well, China issued, in accordance with practice, an alert that
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  Speaker 9: it would be conducting these activities, including the potential use
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  Speaker 9: of live fire. It's outside of Australia's Exclusive Economic zone.
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  Speaker 3: No Albo.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't let Australia know, not before they started it,
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  Speaker 4: and so Albow there is saying nothing that would upset China.
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  Speaker 4: And as for Monique Ryan, this is just another of
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  Speaker 4: many campaign misaps for her, but at least it lured
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  Speaker 4: her out to speak publicly today and she finally had
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  Speaker 4: something to say about her husband stealing that liberal poster.
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  Speaker 13: Pete made a mistake.
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  Speaker 3: He had.
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  Speaker 13: He did something similar, and he apologized for it immediately.
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  Speaker 8: As did I.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they did apologize eventually, not immediately. In fact, when
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  Speaker 4: he was first confronted, Ryan's husband had very little to say.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not saying who I am, who are you? Or
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  Speaker 5: you wearing a teal T shirt.
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  Speaker 3: I'll start to film you.
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  Speaker 5: Are you?
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  Speaker 13: Monic Ryan support Ripping Down's people's signs?
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  Speaker 6: Are you.
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  Speaker 3: In politics?
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  Speaker 4: When it comes to part and candidates and foreign governments
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  Speaker 4: and all of this, it really is best if everyone
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  Speaker 4: is upfront about just who they're working for, don't you think.
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  Speaker 4: Now to an incredibly enjoyable case of internal turmoil at
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  Speaker 4: the ABC, and it starts with a bit of sneering
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  Speaker 4: about a comedian who had the whole country in stitches
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  Speaker 4: forty years ago.
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  Speaker 17: Now we turned to this bizarre hit from the glorious
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  Speaker 17: nineteen eighties.
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  Speaker 18: I said to me mine, ol, Way.
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  Speaker 3: Where can Marsu play ol? He said, she can go
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  Speaker 3: out back.
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  Speaker 2: Well, a fella, she's probably seen a cocoteo.
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  Speaker 17: If you can believe it. Austentatious's nineteen eighty three pun
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  Speaker 17: Fest Australiana enjoyed eight weeks at the top of the charts,
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  Speaker 17: and for the past few years he's been on a
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  Speaker 17: fortieth anniversary tour in pubs and clubs across the country,
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  Speaker 17: with ABC Radio rolling out the welcome mat in local
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  Speaker 17: interviews like this.
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  Speaker 1: Forty years on, I'm still the King of comedy, Mate
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  Speaker 1: that's trolling.
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  Speaker 4: Around and I'm coming to Portagusta mate the Splendor's Hotel
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  Speaker 4: this Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Night.
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  Speaker 17: Ostentatious, whose real name is Sandy Goodman, has featured regularly
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  Speaker 17: on the ABC, celebrating his briefly famous monologue and sprooking
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  Speaker 17: his upcoming shows across the country.
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  Speaker 4: You get the impression that Media watch doesn't quite approve
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  Speaker 4: of Ostentatious. Perhaps they prefer the offensive, highly political and
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  Speaker 4: unfunny comedians who usually pop up on the national broadcaster.
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  Speaker 4: But this story focused on how the comedian claimed to
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  Speaker 4: be friends with the ABC chair Kim Williams, and how
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  Speaker 4: he used.
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  Speaker 3: That to his advantage.
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  Speaker 17: When Goodman was annoyed at having been turned down by
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  Speaker 17: the ABC team at Port Pirie in South Australia, he
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  Speaker 17: telephoned Kim Williams, giving the ABC a ferocious spray and
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  Speaker 17: making unfounded allegations he was being denied interviews because he
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  Speaker 17: was Jewish. In response, Williams called the ABC's head of
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  Speaker 17: audio content, Ben Latimer to say Goodman was having some
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  Speaker 17: trouble getting in touch with local radio. Latimer then passed
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  Speaker 17: a message down the line making mention of Kim Williams
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  Speaker 17: having some sort of personal connection with Sandy Goodman, ultimately
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  Speaker 17: delivering a winning result for the aging performer.
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  Speaker 19: So what can people expect if they do come down
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  Speaker 19: to the show this Saturday and put Agusta.
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  Speaker 20: Well, it's a thirty six hour comedy show.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of interesting, isn't it. Who would have thought it?
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  Speaker 4: Kim Williams, himself a classical musician and composer who's chaired
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  Speaker 4: the Sydney Opera House Trust, pushing for his Aussie comedian mate.
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  Speaker 4: There were other instances, such as one outlined in this
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  Speaker 4: email from Williams to ABC executives.
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  Speaker 19: Again, I am, of course, essentially on his side. Our
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  Speaker 19: people are often arrogant with talent. How often would someone
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  Speaker 19: like Ostentatious be in New England strange attitude? I know
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  Speaker 19: he can be demanding, but he is talent. I've included
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  Speaker 19: Donna because it's her patch. Donna Ben can brief you
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  Speaker 19: if you need it. There's a backstory.
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  Speaker 17: We know that Donna Field copied into that email, was
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  Speaker 17: on extended leave, did not see this email at the
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  Speaker 17: time and ultimately did nothing in response to William's request,
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  Speaker 17: but those in her reporting chain did. The result, the
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  Speaker 17: decision of ABC New England not to put Sandy Goodman
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  Speaker 17: to air was overruled. A week later, Ostentatious got his
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  Speaker 17: Wish and ABC New England Breakfast broadcast a nice little
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  Speaker 17: plug for his show that night.
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  Speaker 1: I started down a comedy in nineteen eighty one of.
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  Speaker 19: The Comedy Store, and that's in Emmaville tonight.
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  Speaker 3: They make it sound like Watergate, don't they? But this
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  Speaker 3: is a ripping yarn.
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  Speaker 4: The chair lining up interviews for a friend Williams says
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  Speaker 4: the pair are merely acquaintances, and.
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  Speaker 3: In a way Williams is right.
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  Speaker 4: The ABC is too snobbish and any local radio station
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  Speaker 4: ought to have five minutes to spook a decent act
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  Speaker 4: coming to town. But meddling with such choices at the ABC,
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  Speaker 4: especially in writing.
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  Speaker 3: That's unwise, to say the least it is.
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  Speaker 4: After all, the ABC a staff run collective, and soon
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  Speaker 4: staff around the country were up in arms and feeding
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  Speaker 4: media watch.
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  Speaker 17: The outraged South Australian staffer said they believe the ABC
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  Speaker 17: chair and some of his executives have failed in their duties.
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  Speaker 5: If the chairperson has time to intervene and influence teams
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  Speaker 5: to conduct an interview about a comedian's regional tour.
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  Speaker 2: What else is he influencing.
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  Speaker 17: It's not just on the front line of this organization
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  Speaker 17: that people have been disturbed by the affair. The new
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  Speaker 17: Managing Director of the ABC, Hugh Marx, told us.
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  Speaker 2: The matters raised by media Watch are important. I've been
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  Speaker 2: at the ABC a short time, but I am vigilant
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  Speaker 2: to ensure the proper delineation of responsibility between the board
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  Speaker 2: and management, and will act appropriately to ensure the best
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  Speaker 2: interests of the ABC it's people and audiences as we
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  Speaker 2: move forward.
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  Speaker 17: It's a reminder of just how special the ABC is
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  Speaker 17: that Media Watch has been given free reign to investigate
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  Speaker 17: this embrolio in which the organization's own chairman has suffered
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  Speaker 17: what I believe to have been a grave lapse of judgment.
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  Speaker 3: That's a bit much, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Media Watch praising itself for daring to challenge the chair.
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  Speaker 4: That's what the ABC staff have always done, railed against
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  Speaker 4: the chair and defied the board. Hell, they've even run
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  Speaker 4: a couple of managing directors out of the national broadcaster.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this is a fun yarn about not much.
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  Speaker 4: At all, a comedian on regional radio, for heaven's sake,
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  Speaker 4: but it will stir up mmits at the ABC, that's
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  Speaker 4: for sure. The Journalist Union is pushing for an independent inquiry,
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  Speaker 4: so Watch this space.
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  Speaker 3: But it proves a couple of points, and that is that.
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  Speaker 4: The ABC staff hate being instructed on what to do,
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  Speaker 4: even when it's something obvious and harmless. And it also
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  Speaker 4: shows that the ABC always prefers naval gazing.
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  Speaker 3: To real journalism.
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  Speaker 4: Because immediately before the Media Watch program last night, the
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  Speaker 4: ABC's flagship Carrot Affairs program ran a story about the
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  Speaker 4: two federal election contenders, which turned out to be just
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  Speaker 4: another hit job on Peter Dutton just days out from
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  Speaker 4: the election.
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  Speaker 16: Some First Nations leaders say this was part of a
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  Speaker 16: pattern for Peter Dutton when it comes to race. Do
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  Speaker 16: you think that Peter Dutton has an issue with race?
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  Speaker 16: We uncovered fresh details about the Dutton families dealings and
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  Speaker 16: the people that they've done business with. A large proportion
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  Speaker 16: of the Dutton family's wealth comes from private childcare, often
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  Speaker 16: bought and sold through trusts.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing from Media Watch about this piece that was fronted
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  Speaker 4: by Louise Milligan.
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  Speaker 3: You know, she ran a.
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  Speaker 4: Series of vicious, unfair and ultimately erroneous reports that helped
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  Speaker 4: lead to the conviction of the late Cardinal George pell
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  Speaker 4: who was later acquitted unanimously by the High Court. Milligan
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  Speaker 4: also fronted the character assassination of former Attorney General Christian
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  Speaker 4: Porter with an unverified historical rape claim. Milligan also had
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  Speaker 4: the ABC that is taxpayers pick up a legal bill
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  Speaker 4: of at least one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, including
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  Speaker 4: a defamation payout, because she'd slanted a Liberal MP on
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  Speaker 4: her private social media account. After all that, it's surprising
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  Speaker 4: that Milligan is still employed at the ABC. Let alone
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  Speaker 4: have allowed to front this kind of hit job on
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  Speaker 4: the opposition leader on the eve of an election. But
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  Speaker 4: then it's not our ABC, it's not your ABC, as
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's their ABC. Let's go to Victoria now
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: and catch up with the Liberal Member for Flinders, Zoey Mackenzie.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, Zoey. No doubt you've been
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: busy out there on the campaign trail over your COVID dose.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Give me your thoughts on the leading labor figure, the
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Member for Paramatta, Andrew Charlton, demanding to know from Liberal
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: volunteers whether or not they're a member of a particular religion.
• 20:47
  Speaker 14: Well, Chris, as you know, I'm a good friend of
• 20:48
  Speaker 14: Andrew Chaffan Wi. We appear together on Sky on Thursdays
• 20:51
  Speaker 14: with Kier and Gilbert and have a good chat. He
• 20:54
  Speaker 14: has some talent, he's got more to talent than the
• 20:55
  Speaker 14: existing treasurer. But it was a very odd video, indeed
• 20:59
  Speaker 14: that you showed it the top of the program tonight,
• 21:02
  Speaker 14: it does seem very strange. I don't know why they
• 21:04
  Speaker 14: seem to be running around like chooks today about this
• 21:08
  Speaker 14: issue of religion in politics. And I don't know why
• 21:11
  Speaker 14: we've got religious candidates down here. The One Nation guys
• 21:14
  Speaker 14: a profound man of faith in the Anglican Church. Again
• 21:18
  Speaker 14: our your candidate is a man of the church as well.
• 21:21
  Speaker 14: But it's not an issue down here. We tend not
• 21:23
  Speaker 14: to raise it. It's just, you know, candidates are being
• 21:26
  Speaker 14: judged on there on their offerings for the electorate, as
• 21:29
  Speaker 14: it should be, and there's no nastiness of the.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: It's a personal affront, isn't it.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Averges on religious discrimination to front up to a stranger
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: and demand to know what religion they are.
• 21:41
  Speaker 14: Yeah, it does seem look very odd and quite out
• 21:43
  Speaker 14: of character, I would say for Andrew. But obviously the
• 21:46
  Speaker 14: lefts got all excited under the collar about this particular
• 21:49
  Speaker 14: topic today. It's all over the Fairfax papers. It's morning
• 21:51
  Speaker 14: of the nine papers as they are now, May I
• 21:53
  Speaker 14: say so? Hopefully it'll just be a one day issue
• 21:56
  Speaker 14: and fish and ship paper tomorrow.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Campaigning I look forward to when you're on set with
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Kieran and Andrew later in the week, because Andrew wouldn't
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: talk to us, so perhaps you could pose some of
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: those questions to him.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Across the desk for us.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I want to ask about another big controversy on the
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: campaign trail closer to where you are, and that is
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: in Quyong, where there's now going to be an investigation
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: to allegations of Chinese interference in the election in support
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: of the till candidate, therefore.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Against the coalition.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: How does that make you feel in the coalition when
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: there's a suspicion that the Chinese Communist Party is working
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: against you.
• 22:32
  Speaker 14: You know what I really like about this campaign is
• 22:34
  Speaker 14: that finally people getting to scratch the surface on the
• 22:36
  Speaker 14: tier movement and look at what stands behind it. They
• 22:39
  Speaker 14: say integrity, but behind the scenes is something quite different.
• 22:42
  Speaker 14: And you see that across the board across the TiAl campaigns,
• 22:45
  Speaker 14: particularly here in Victoria, there are some shady characters and
• 22:49
  Speaker 14: shady connections connected with these particular campaigns, and it's good
• 22:53
  Speaker 14: that it's finally being discussed and that investigations will be
• 22:56
  Speaker 14: made as in when they should be.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: So that's a good turn.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Lets get to the really big issue confronting this country
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: and that underlies everything in this election campaign, and that
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: is economic management and the S and P credit rating
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: warning that Australia with all this spending could lose its
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: triple A credit rating. Given that you've got so many
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: promises from the coalition as well, isn't this a warning
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: against both parties?
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: Oh?
• 23:23
  Speaker 14: Absolutely, But what's been clear today is that the S
• 23:25
  Speaker 14: and P is worried about what Labour's been doing, particularly
• 23:27
  Speaker 14: off budget spending is a huge amount of money there
• 23:30
  Speaker 14: which the government is pretending it's not really spending because
• 23:33
  Speaker 14: apparently it's an asset therefore it doesn't count. But there's
• 23:36
  Speaker 14: been a big warning over the bows today that we
• 23:38
  Speaker 14: might lose our triple A rating and what does that
• 23:41
  Speaker 14: mean higher interest payments in respect of an economy that
• 23:45
  Speaker 14: is already laden with public debt. So it's a real
• 23:49
  Speaker 14: concern today that this warning has been issued. You know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 14: you hear Labour talking about building Australia's future. All it's
• 23:54
  Speaker 14: doing is building Australia's future debt and it's going to
• 23:58
  Speaker 14: fall on future generations to pay. You and I have
• 24:00
  Speaker 14: both been members of government's coalition governments that had to
• 24:03
  Speaker 14: retire Labour's debt and it took us years, years, and
• 24:07
  Speaker 14: when we finally got there, it was amazing what you
• 24:09
  Speaker 14: could do. You know, we could do all those tech
• 24:11
  Speaker 14: colleges when we finally got to a no net debt situation.
• 24:14
  Speaker 14: We did the Higher Education Endowment Fund when we got
• 24:16
  Speaker 14: to a no net debt situation. This government has no
• 24:18
  Speaker 14: plan to get us there.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Zoe. It's been great to catch up with you throughout
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: the campaign.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: We probably won't see you till it's all over, so
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: happy campaigning in the meantime.
• 24:27
  Speaker 14: Thanks Chris, I appreciate it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Sorry Mackenzie there the Liberal MP for Flinders down there
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: on the Mornington Peninsula, that area southeast of Melbourne. Let's
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: go to western Victoria now and catch up with the
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Daily Telegraphs. Tim Blair blogger to the Nation, one time
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: blogger to the nation, he's now more reclusive.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Good to catch up with you, mate.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Look your latest column. I feel like it's about how
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: we've had this miserable campaign but the only shining light
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: has been the entertainment factor of the tills. Sometimes I
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: feel like just asking you to read your column for us,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: take us through the highlights.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Oh man, well, you know, and today's just been a
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: teel across the board, hasn't it? My favorite one home
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: You've mentioned it already in the show was the scampering
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: away with the liberal candidate's core flute, and then the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: immediate you know, oh, it's nothing to do with me,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you know, like it'll be taken down again. This is
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a terrible thing. And then eventually the apology. It wasn't
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: an immediate apology as well, as my neck pointed out.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: But I mentioned in the column that these people are
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: weaponized Karens. They're very Caarenish in all their behaviors. I'm
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: kind of annoying to myself and not noticing that the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Karenism earlier and we even had Monik Ryan in twenty
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: twenty two in parliament, you know, yelling at opposition MPs
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: put on your masks, wearing a mask uself at the time.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: They're very Caarendish.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Mate, such hypocrits.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: When you talk about that moment with the husband taking
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: the Placard and what he said afterwards.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: We replayed some of that there he was refusing to
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: say whether he had anything to do with Manique Ryan
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: or the Tills.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: And it reminds me of the biblical story about denying
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Christ three times before the cock crows.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Here's a bloke denying his very wife.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what if she loses the seat I reckoned,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: he or to go head out to the man shed
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: for an extended period.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: But here's that moment in the house about the masks
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: that you referred to, put.
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: Your masks on, Put your masks on, Put your masks on.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's an instructive moment.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: And as you say, and you recount some conversations with
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: our mutual friend Johannah's leak that.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: This says a lot. This is what the tills are
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: all about. It's kind of bossing us looking for their moment.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and during during the period of COVID, we did
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: have people, you know, who otherwise lived perfectly fine, boring lives,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: but suddenly they felt they were a part of something
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: really important, you know, that the survival of the species itself,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: and they'd watch every you know, those horrible, horrible months
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: of premiers and health ministers and health officials giving those
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: things that people would watch them intently because they felt
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: like they were part of something crucial. And that's basically, again,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: what the what the climate activist movement is it all about?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: So they've just transferred one passion to another and it
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: all ends up doing the same thing, telling us what
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: to do in a very hectoring and annoying way.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well here's some more hectoring.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: When some journalists were trying to ask some questions with
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Manique Ryan after that poster episode.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I don't have a comment for you comment on that
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: matter already, Thank you. Do you think that was an
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: appropriate thing to do?
• 27:26
  Speaker 13: Could you please get your cameras away from me?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Get your cameras away from me.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: The bossy tills, it's exactly what they are. Do you
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: think we're going to see any of them lose their
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: seats at this election?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Oh my word. All the poles say that they're all
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: looking pretty safe, but you know, on you know, these
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: things could be set by seat, and you know we're
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: always told an election night that knows swings are universal
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and so on. So maybe maybe Monique is certainly betraying
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: some anxiety some concern as a first term MP. That's understandable.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: She's not used to being re elected or having run
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: only one campaign, so you know, maybe we'll see some
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: issues there. Just quickly before we move into other things
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: with your Media Watch em before, did you notice that
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the homeless looking guy who presents that show nowadays referred
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to Ostentatious as aging and aging comedian? Well, well, i'd say,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: well it's against an age discrimination she surely, which the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: ABC is like all about any discrimination. But also Ostentatious
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: at seventy one is two years younger than the guy
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: who hosted Media Watch right U until last year, Paul Barry.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: So maybe I don't know Linton. Someone is the host now.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Now just check yourself, mate, because if you're going to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: be calling people old and aging, well you know you're
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: not that far away yourself as well.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Kim Williams is going to be in
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: a lot of strife for trying to direct people who
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: to put on their shows.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: But he has a point. He's right, they're being snobby
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Ostentatious is too old fashioned to mainstream, you know, too
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: ocker ish for them that they prefer one of these
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: inner city screaming lefties that aren't funny.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you know also the sneering, as you point
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: out at the top of the show, just making fun
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: of it, or not even making fun of ostentatious as
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: number him like, you know, who could believe that such
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: a brilliant piece of wordplay could never be popular?
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Just quickly on the tills.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: They love a bit of climate alarmism still and he's
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: the latest example from Sophie scomps up there on the
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: northern beaches.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Of Sydney in the seat of Michael.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: She's referring to the death of Keith Titmas, who was
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: a twenty year old who died in training for one
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: of the NRL clubs.
• 29:41
  Speaker 17: Have a look, so the death of that young man
• 29:44
  Speaker 17: and I'm not sorry the death of that.
• 29:46
  Speaker 14: Young man, the rugby league player when it was thirty
• 29:48
  Speaker 14: three degrees the very humid.
• 29:50
  Speaker 18: Day, died from heat stress after a training session.
• 29:55
  Speaker 9: That type of lethal humidity is something that the.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: Medical fraternity is getting more and more concerned about.
• 30:01
  Speaker 14: You can survive, apparently, the human body can survive if
• 30:05
  Speaker 14: it's dry.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Heat up to fifty four degrees celsius is pretty hot,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: but with high humidity that level comes down to kind
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: of thirty three, thirty and thirty one degree.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: So it's somebody to consider.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Now, this is a tragic death, but to use it
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: at a thirty three degree day with high humidity in Sydney,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: for crying out loud, as some sort of climate argument,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: it's just beyond the pale.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Surely.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's repellent. And I feel for the family of
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the young player who died, because you know, the last
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: thing you want is this distance after the event, for
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: that to be dragged up and put into a political
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: context and therefore cheapen it. But as well, if the
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: teals really want to go down the path of examining
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: deaths of young people and attributing blame, let's have them.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Let's get them looking at COVID, Let's get them looking
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: at vaccines. If they really want to get out their path,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: they might find a lot of things that might be
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: surprising to them.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Yes, so many kids who missed out on so much
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: during the COVID lockdowns and all that as well. Thanks
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: for joining us, Tim, I appreciate it. Tim Blair, you
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: can read his stuff in the Daily Telegraph. I've got
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: to get to a break after that. I'm going to
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: give you a sneak preview of a letter to the
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: nation from nuclear experts who are heading back against the
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: misinformation directed at our nuclear energy options. Now overnight and tomorrow,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: there's going to be an extraordinary intervention in this nation's
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: energy debate, which of course is crucial to the election debate.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: A host of energy experts and nuclear experts are writing
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: an open letter to the nation mapping out the reality
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: of our nuclear energy options. One of the signatories to
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: that letter joins me now on sets doctor ad Patterson,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: who is the former CEO of the Australian Nuclear.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Science and Technology Organization.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us at This letter is so because
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: it sets out the facts of this debate.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: So I want to quickly go through some of the
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: key points.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Firstly, I get sick of this idea is if we've
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: got two options, it's just amount of which one you
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: like most. The fact is where are we headed with
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: our current renewables plus storage model, both on cost and workability?
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: Well, I think the renewable plus storage model is fatally
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: flawed because the wind blows two days out of five
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: on average, and the sun remarkably only suns shines one
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: day out of five on average. So no matter how
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: much wind and slowly you build, you can't get two
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: hundred percent. So two days out of five is forty percent.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: If you double the size, it's still forty percent. When
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: the wind doesn't blow, it doesn't blow. And the AEMO
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: modeling and the EMO approach to this is build it
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: and it'll work, and then add batteries. Now I started
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: my career in batteries, and batteries are buckets. You fill
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: them up with electrons and then you mtm out. They
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: don't produce electricity. And so the AEMO plan is fatally flawed.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: It's known to be fatally flawed by all engineers and
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: experts who studied the grid, and yet it's become a
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: line in the sand for the current people who believe
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: in it, and when the tide comes in, that line
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: will disappear and.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: We'll be in big trouble.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Surely. The confirmation on this is that no other country's
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: trying to do this.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Everybody's trying to reduce emissions, but no one's trying to
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: do what we're doing.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: I think this is the most amazing thing, you know,
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: coming from a different country studying the global setting watching
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: what happened in Spain over the last few hours. You
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: cannot build a resource that you're going to rely on
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: more than its capacity factor, and if it's two days
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: out of five, you can't build more than forty percent.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: We've just gone over the hill with over forty percent
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: of wind, and it's the effect. The price is going north.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: The price will continue to go north. But worse than that,
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: it's low quality electricity. You can't make aluminium with eighty
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: percent wind. You can't do a lot of the things
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: like we do, like high quality transport. You can't actually
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: run megacities on the grid that we're building.
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: But the.
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: Supporting agencies, the Energy Security Board has been captured with
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: people who believe in renewables. All of the engineers who
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: were trying to have an internal discussion in AEMO have
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: been driven out of a EMO. I've spoken to engineers
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: who tried desperately to get the message across to seenior
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: managers who don't know how.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Grids really work.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: So we've got a cult.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: It's literally a cult. Okay, So that's the mess we're facing.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: You, as someone who's worked in nuclear energy for decades,
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: say that nuclear energy is the option here in Australia
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: to supply what thirty or forty percent of our base
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: load power. What do you say about Labour's six hundred
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: billion dollar figure that's prominent throughout this election campaign.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: Well, I think confusing a capital cost with the cost
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: of the customer is a rookie era. We know everywhere
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: in the world where they've built enough nuclear and where
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: that nuclear is established, that is the lowest cost of customer.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: So if you go to Germany in France, the cost
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: of electricity in Germany where they shut down their beautiful reactors,
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: and the cost in France, the cost in France is
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: forty percent of what it is in Germany after they
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: shut nuclear down.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Isn't that capital cost grossly exaggerated anyway?
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: It's six hundred billion absolutely.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: Well, I don't know where they got the six hundred
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: billion from, because nobody would actually price a reactor in
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: a country that has banned reactors. But I use the
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: example of for instance, I submarine program. We have decided
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: for national security to have nuclear submarines. We will build them.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: They will be successful. They will have an onshore workforce
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: of fourteen thousand people supporting those ships which are going
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: under water for us, and that will allow us to
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: have defense. Nobody's complaining about that capital cost. You never
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: hear about the cost of the submarines. My question is,
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: when you've got fourteen thousand nuclear savagy people on shore
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: and you've still got nuclear band for your civilian sector,
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: what sort of madness means that they can't laterally migrate
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: into the civilian nuclear sector with all of the skills
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: that they've acquired. So we've got double madness. We are
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: going to defend ourselves with wonderful modern nuclear submarines, but
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: the people on shore servicing them will have to go
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: to other countries to explore civilian careers. So you can't
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: make this up. And what we're seeing now is that
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: the people who've gone for high levels of renewables, like
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: Spain and other countries, their grids are falling over.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we saw that in the last twenty four hours.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Thanks so much for joining us again. Eighty has been
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: good to talk to you on this issue throughout. I
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: appreciate Adie Patterson. They're the former head of ANSTOE. And
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: keep an eye out for that open letter. It'll be
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: released tomorrow. You'll see ads for it in all the
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: national papers. It's time the facts on nuclear got a run.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a break.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: On the other side of that, Canada responds to Donald
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Trump by electing a leftist liberal government.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Across to Christian Tates in the US. Now getting back
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: to the election, the Prime Minister.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Offered a pretty poor excuse as to why he hasn't
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: had much more contact with Donald Trump. During one of
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: the debates, he suggested that the US President doesn't have
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: a mobile phone.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: He's a reminder, just quickly knew his number. You're texting.
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: I'm not sure that he has a mobile phone, the
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: US President or Joe Biden's not the way it works
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: when you have with any global leader.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Now, as I it to our US analyst Christen Tate,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: given his social media posts and media call ins, it's
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: inconceivable that the President wouldn't have his own mobile or
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: sell fun of.
• 38:11
  Speaker 15: Course, not Donald Trupe has a cell phone.
• 38:15
  Speaker 18: Now.
• 38:15
  Speaker 15: Trump probably isn't one for texting notes back and forth.
• 38:18
  Speaker 15: He's a very busy man and likes to talk to
• 38:20
  Speaker 15: people live with no nonsense. Kind of to the point.
• 38:24
  Speaker 15: But look, if your PM wanted to get in touch
• 38:27
  Speaker 15: with Trump, he obviously could have That's what he should
• 38:30
  Speaker 15: have said. Now he just looks like an irrelevant fool
• 38:34
  Speaker 15: for suggesting that Trump doesn't have a cell phone. That's ridiculous.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: You've summed him up from a great distance. Very well there,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Kristen type.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Let's get onto some of the more serious issues that
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: have been confronting the president this week.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: And of course he went to rhyme.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: He went to the Vatican to attend the funeral of
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Pope Francis and forrtuously inside Saint Peter's Basilica, he had
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: what is now a famous meeting the Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: And this looks like it might have been fruitful, especially
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: when you contrast it to the last meeting in the
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Oval Office, which was a disaster, because it wasn't long
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: after this meeting that Donald Trump started actually putting pressure
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: on Vladimir Puddin, the Russian president.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: He is the lightest from Donald Trump.
• 39:20
  Speaker 18: I wanted to stop shooting, sit down inside a deal,
• 39:23
  Speaker 18: and we have the confines of a deal.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: I believe Kristin, this shows that Zelensky has capt throat,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: doesn't it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 15: It certainly suggests that I think Trump is realizing and
• 39:34
  Speaker 15: has been realizing that this is a much more complicated
• 39:37
  Speaker 15: and difficult issue than he thought it would be on
• 39:38
  Speaker 15: the campaign trail. Look, I mean, Putin's a very proud man.
• 39:42
  Speaker 15: He's going to want to walk away from all of
• 39:44
  Speaker 15: this looking like the victor. He is not likely to
• 39:47
  Speaker 15: agree to any kind of permanent truce unless it's perceived
• 39:50
  Speaker 15: as having come from him. And you know, the left
• 39:53
  Speaker 15: loves to call Donald Trump a Russian stooge. But under
• 39:57
  Speaker 15: the surface, Chris, these two men, Trump and Putin, they
• 40:00
  Speaker 15: don't trust each other. And let's not forget that during
• 40:03
  Speaker 15: Trump's first term he actually pursued the most hardline, forceful
• 40:09
  Speaker 15: anti Russia policy since any US president since Ronald Reagan.
• 40:13
  Speaker 15: I mean, he sanctioned the nord Stream to pipeline. He
• 40:16
  Speaker 15: provided lethal aid to Ukraine. So, you know, Putin he
• 40:21
  Speaker 15: views Trump as a worthy opponent who's not easy to
• 40:23
  Speaker 15: manipulate like Joe Biden was. But this is a very
• 40:27
  Speaker 15: complicated issue, and it's going to likely take more than
• 40:30
  Speaker 15: Trump and Zelenski offering a cease fire for Putin to agree.
• 40:34
  Speaker 15: Putin is going to want some concessions, or at least
• 40:37
  Speaker 15: the appearance of some concessions.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: What those will be.
• 40:40
  Speaker 15: I don't know yet, but at least it looks like
• 40:43
  Speaker 15: some progress has been made here.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Yes, But on let's look at Mattas just north of you,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: just north of the Bordha and the Canadian election today.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Now the Liberals there were down and out under Justin
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Trudeau that are really on the back foot.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Going back a few months.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: She is why he resigned, of course, but now Bloke's
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: taken over from him. He's never even sat in Parliament
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: and he's led them to victory today. Is this very
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: much a backlash against Donald Trump north of the border,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 41:14
  Speaker 15: You know, the Canadians have been on this leftward march
• 41:17
  Speaker 15: for a long time, much longer than Trump has even
• 41:20
  Speaker 15: been on the political scene.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Here.
• 41:22
  Speaker 15: They are just on a path to self destruction. They
• 41:25
  Speaker 15: have completely lost the thread. But there are some good
• 41:30
  Speaker 15: conservative Canadians there, Chris, who are very worried about their country.
• 41:34
  Speaker 15: All of us Yankees here in America, we just look
• 41:37
  Speaker 15: at them with horror what they have done. I mean
• 41:39
  Speaker 15: remember a few years ago with the truckers protest there
• 41:43
  Speaker 15: you had the government, you know, preventing people from accessing
• 41:47
  Speaker 15: their own bank accounts, and it's just gone more leftward.
• 41:50
  Speaker 15: So it's very troubling what's going on in Canada.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it sure is.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: But it looks like when they called the first fifty
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: first site and all the rest of it. It's created
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: a different political dynamic in Canada. Of course, to watch
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: those remarks to what those remarks create in the US,
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: we will see it could have an impact. Really the
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: same sort of factor to a less degree, I suppose,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: but the same sort of factor seems to be playing
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: out in the Australian election. Let's finish off on a
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: little bit of a US Australia relations though, and the
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: first Assie to get himself a win on Super Bowl
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Day Jordan my Lata with the Philadelphia Eagles. He's actually
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: got to meet the President, who's taken note of the
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: gigantic size of this former Sydney NRL player.
• 42:34
  Speaker 18: Have look, we're going to introduce some Jordan Millata. He's
• 42:50
  Speaker 18: are big people.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know how, I don't know how big you
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: are on the NFL, Christen, but it's good to see
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: an Aussie doing well and being recognized.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: At the White House.
• 43:00
  Speaker 15: Yeah, it's great. And look, Trump himself is a big man.
• 43:02
  Speaker 15: I've met him several times, so he's not surrounded by
• 43:05
  Speaker 15: people who are much bigger or taller than him very often,
• 43:09
  Speaker 15: so he was a bit dwarfed there. But no, it
• 43:12
  Speaker 15: was great to see that. And we Americans, we affectionately
• 43:16
  Speaker 15: have a stereotype of you people in Australia are friends.
• 43:20
  Speaker 15: We think everything is bigger there. Your deserts, your spiders,
• 43:23
  Speaker 15: your crocodiles are now apparently your football players.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a.
• 43:27
  Speaker 15: Great moment and Trump definitely meant that affectionately.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: You spot on Kristin Texas is a tiny stite biole standards.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Thanks walle Thank you, Chris.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Now, all your league fans, I know that Jordan my
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: lad that didn't play first ride, but he was a
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: rugby league man. I'll tell you what he would have
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: been a good Ozzy rules football or too. Imagine him
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: at cent a half back. Great stuff there from Kristin
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: in the US. We'll take a break and come back
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: with the panel Cusio, Brian and Steven Santa Tiampire. We'll
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: talk about former Prime Minister Tiny Abbott joining the Welcome
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: to Country to Butt. We have the Wednesday Rangle. We
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: should call this one the Tuesday tea off because we're
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: always joined by Cuzy O'Brien from The Herald Son in
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: Melbourne and also Steven's Senter Tampaid Breakfast Radio hosted two
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Double C in the nation's capital. Good to speak to
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: you both again. What about at the outset? I just
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: want to get twenty five words or less your summary
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: of whether this election campaign has been a shocker or
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: a ripper and who's going to win.
• 44:25
  Speaker 12: You go first, Susie, Well, I'm not buying the Libs.
• 44:30
  Speaker 12: Witch is saying that they think things are much tighter
• 44:34
  Speaker 12: on the ground. They're feeling pretty confident behind closed doors.
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: I'm not buying it. I think it will be a
• 44:39
  Speaker 12: Labor win, but because the Libs have lost it, not
• 44:41
  Speaker 12: because Labor has won it.
• 44:43
  Speaker 20: What about you, Stephen, Yeah, look, I think it still
• 44:47
  Speaker 20: will be a labor minority, but I'm not writing off
• 44:49
  Speaker 20: the Libs yet, and I think it is a lot
• 44:50
  Speaker 20: closer on the ground than the national polls might be suggesting.
• 44:54
  Speaker 20: But it's been the most lackluster campaign I've ever seen,
• 44:56
  Speaker 20: and Peter Dutton should have come out swinging a long
• 44:59
  Speaker 20: time ago.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: I just think it's been a dull and disjointed campaign.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: And it has been really dispiriting. I wanted to get
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: your thoughts on that too, Susie.
• 45:09
  Speaker 12: I think a lot of people feel that both leaders
• 45:12
  Speaker 12: on both sides haven't really addressed the things that they want.
• 45:14
  Speaker 12: You know, in this economic climate, they just don't want
• 45:17
  Speaker 12: massive amounts of money and throwing at everything. We end
• 45:20
  Speaker 12: up with bigger debts, more problems, higher inflation. It just
• 45:24
  Speaker 12: seems like nothing. No one is really speaking directly to
• 45:27
  Speaker 12: the voters.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so there's kind of an unreal Situation's
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: like we're in la la land in this campaign. Let's
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: have a look at one of the issues that's resurfaced,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: and that is the walk from the country, and Tony
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Abbott's had to crack at that.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: Have a listen, and it's become if you like, an
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: exercise in virtue signaling, it's become a badge of political correctness.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: It's become a political statement, a bit like wearing masks
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: became a political statement during the pandemic. If you weren't
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: an enthusiast for masks, you weren't in the pandemic. Seriously enough, he's.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Certainly got a point to Susie.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, I like the welcome to country in the
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: right circumstances, but it is overdone. And when it's overdone,
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: it's for those sort of reasons. It's a posturing, isn't it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 12: Look, I think we need to draw a distinction between
• 46:16
  Speaker 12: the welcomed country and the acknowledgment of country. Welcomed country
• 46:20
  Speaker 12: which is performed by an indigenous person at a major
• 46:23
  Speaker 12: event and zach Day Grand Final, I think it's actually
• 46:26
  Speaker 12: a really nice moment and it brings us together, you know,
• 46:29
  Speaker 12: with our historical background. However, when it's the acknowledgment of
• 46:33
  Speaker 12: country done by a white person at the start of
• 46:36
  Speaker 12: every yoga session or zoom, you think, oh my god.
• 46:39
  Speaker 12: You know, every speaker, every single one in a row,
• 46:42
  Speaker 12: needs to make sure that people know that they're acknowledging
• 46:45
  Speaker 12: the country. And I think that's when people say, oh,
• 46:48
  Speaker 12: come on, give us a break.
• 46:50
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: I was in an ABC event once, Stephen, and they
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: had an indigenous person give a welcome to country at
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: the start, but then every speaker after that gave a
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: lengthy Honestly, it's just overdone.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the point.
• 47:05
  Speaker 20: I mean, if you are going to do it at
• 47:06
  Speaker 20: the beginning of an event, either the mc does it
• 47:08
  Speaker 20: an acknowledgement of country, or you have an indigenous elder
• 47:11
  Speaker 20: do it, fine, no problem with that. But when every
• 47:13
  Speaker 20: single person that gets up, and when you're at some
• 47:15
  Speaker 20: conferences and you're talking twenty or thirty speakers and every
• 47:18
  Speaker 20: single one does and an acknowledgment of country, it's just
• 47:20
  Speaker 20: getting ridiculous now. But the other thing is too, You've
• 47:23
  Speaker 20: got to distinguish between a welcome to country and they
• 47:26
  Speaker 20: not welcome to country. I mean, there's one particular indigenous
• 47:29
  Speaker 20: leader that I've seen at a couple of events who
• 47:31
  Speaker 20: makes it very clear that we are not welcome here
• 47:33
  Speaker 20: and keeps perpetuating the myth that Aboriginals were treated as
• 47:37
  Speaker 20: fauna up until fifty years ago.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Whether that's not true, est keep saying it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 20: Yeah, just you know, welcome. Look, some of the ones
• 47:44
  Speaker 20: at the NRL are great where they come out and say, look,
• 47:46
  Speaker 20: welcome everybody.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Let's get on with the footing exactly.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: It goes both ways about the tone and the facts. Hey,
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: just quickly, I wonder if any of you guys are
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: getting your phone bombarded with text messages from the trumpet
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: of patriots. So these are some of the ones I've
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: got we're solving their housing crisis. Let's have fast trains everywhere.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: This is I mean, there's just garbage messages from someone
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: who pretends she's going to be Prime Minister Lucy with
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: the money they're spending.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: And I've got about five or six of these messages.
• 48:15
  Speaker 12: Well, I must be the only person in Australia who
• 48:17
  Speaker 12: hasn't got them. But you know, I think the people
• 48:19
  Speaker 12: who are getting them feel very violated by this because
• 48:22
  Speaker 12: I think, how the hell did they get my number?
• 48:24
  Speaker 12: What kind of black list am I on somewhere? But
• 48:26
  Speaker 12: I wonder if the person sending these are reading some
• 48:29
  Speaker 12: of the responses that they're getting, because people apparently have
• 48:32
  Speaker 12: been like sending it back and they're saying, I would
• 48:35
  Speaker 12: not vote for the trumpet at Patriots if it was
• 48:37
  Speaker 12: the last person standing in a scorch democracy and things
• 48:41
  Speaker 12: like that. Taking they're reading what they're getting back.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Pull the trumpet out of your out of your out
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: of wherever the trumpet's coming from, just quickly one refreshing thing.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: When we're talking about horrible politicking and a pretty horrible campaign.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: We can breathe a sigh of relief that one.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: Person is not going to be a cadate now or
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: anytime in the future.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Have a look, would you.
• 49:03
  Speaker 12: Ever run for office?
• 49:05
  Speaker 18: No?
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Never, no, never.
• 49:09
  Speaker 16: Never, Oh god, I mean you could say never, say never.
• 49:12
  Speaker 17: No, I'm not interested in that.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Stephen, the former princess is never going to be president.
• 49:19
  Speaker 20: Nobody else is interested in her running for officeas well,
• 49:22
  Speaker 20: apart from the interviewer. Look, the Duchess of Montecito should
• 49:26
  Speaker 20: stick to Monsito. I think I think she's gonna Thanks
• 49:30
  Speaker 20: so much for joining us.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Steven Senna, Tiempo and Susio Brian will
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: catch up.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: With them next week when we know exactly who's going
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: to run the country, or we may not have any
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: idea by Tuesday next week if it's a hung parliament
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: and there's negotiations to be done.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Here's Peter Credlin.