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- 0:00Today we're going to talk about healing from shame and trauma.
- 0:05If you've ever felt broken, defective, or bad, then you're
- 0:10probably swimming in shame that stems from your trauma.
- 0:14By the end of this episode, you'll understand how shame
- 0:18shows up in your relationship, as well as some clear steps to
- 0:22take to recover from shame. Before we launch into the
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- 0:45Welcome to Trauma Free relationship.
- 0:48I'm your host, Tom Phil, and I've been working for years with
- 0:51adults who struggle with relational and attachment trauma
- 0:55to regain trust in themselves and others so that they can
- 0:59experience a safe and secure relationship.
- 1:02Let's get started, OK? As I mentioned in the opening,
- 1:14today we're going to talk about shame, specifically shame that
- 1:19is or comes from our relational trauma, our attachment, or
- 1:24complex trauma. But before we dive into what
- 1:28shame looks like in your relationship, I think it's
- 1:31really important to tease out or tease apart the difference
- 1:37between shame and guilt because a lot of times what I find are
- 1:42people use them synonymously. They think guilt is shame, shame
- 1:46is guilt, or they're similar to one another and they're really
- 1:49not. Guilt is I did something bad.
- 1:54So if I've said something that's hurt my spouse, my partner, then
- 2:00I might feel guilt because I see that they're hurt and my guilt
- 2:04moves me to go and make a repair.
- 2:07It moves me to go say I'm sorry, to explain maybe why I said
- 2:12that. Not to excuse it, but maybe be
- 2:15able to flesh out more what I meant that actually came across
- 2:19so poorly and it it moves me to take accountability and
- 2:23responsibility for what I've said to try to mend and repair
- 2:28that relationship based on my behavior or my words.
- 2:32That's what guilt does. Guilt moves us to make repairs
- 2:38and I see that sometimes in relationships, I see where
- 2:42couples have said something or done something and then a
- 2:46partner will come back and they will make a repair.
- 2:50Hey, I'm sorry I said that. I'm sorry.
- 2:53I got angry. I shouldn't have.
- 2:56I got triggered by what you said and that's on me.
- 2:58That's not on you. And I'm, I apologize that that
- 3:02wasn't for you to deal with in that moment.
- 3:04I should have handled that better.
- 3:06I do see those occasions, but I think more often I see the
- 3:11occasions where repairs are not made because one or both
- 3:15partners are swimming in shame and shame is I am bad.
- 3:20Now notice the difference? I did something bad, I did
- 3:24something wrong versus I am bad or I am wrong as a person.
- 3:30And this is very different because oftentimes shame is what
- 3:35blocks us from reaching out and getting help, from reaching
- 3:40towards our partner to regulate ourselves better, to being able
- 3:44to go and make repairs or even take accountability for what was
- 3:49said or done. When we feel shame, it's not
- 3:53like we've feel like we've done something bad, but it is that we
- 3:57feel we are bad. Sort of our whole being is bad.
- 4:03And this absolutely can stem from trauma, 100% for sure.
- 4:08We could also just have pockets in our lives where we feel
- 4:12shame. We can look back and go, Oh my
- 4:14gosh, I can't believe I did that.
- 4:17I really let myself down. And so there is kind of a sort
- 4:21of pervasive toxic shame that that can permeate us in moments
- 4:29where there's not a redeeming part of us at all, but rather we
- 4:33are all bad. And then there's also just areas
- 4:36where, man, I really disappointed myself and let
- 4:39myself down in that moment. And we also can look back and
- 4:44sort of almost cringe at, at what we're seeing or, you know,
- 4:48how we behave or acted in those times.
- 4:51And, and we can feel shame about that period of our life, that
- 4:56season or that moment where we really let ourselves down.
- 5:01And so I, I just want to make it clear that there's a difference
- 5:05between guilt and shame. We're talking about core
- 5:08emotions here. And like any emotion, it is on
- 5:11a, a sliding scale, if you will. Shame can be all pervasive.
- 5:17It can be toxic. It it can feel like we're
- 5:20constantly never measuring up, we're constantly always falling
- 5:24short. There must be something wrong or
- 5:26defective. It can show up when a
- 5:29relationship ends and we see the same pattern has played out in
- 5:33this relationship that it did before.
- 5:37Those toxic feelings of I'm never good enough cause us to
- 5:41actually push people away. And then when we end up alone,
- 5:45on one hand we might verify and say, see, I knew it.
- 5:48People never stay. On the other hand, that
- 5:52defectiveness says I did it to myself again, I'm just bad.
- 5:57And so teasing those two apart, I think is really important for
- 6:01our discussion today as we move ahead.
- 6:05But let's also talk about how shame forms and relational
- 6:09trauma before we talk about what it looks like, how does it
- 6:12actually form? And sometimes it forms because
- 6:17it's impossible to meet the expectations of a parent in
- 6:21childhood. Or we come and we have an
- 6:24emotion and we actually get shamed for that emotion.
- 6:29We have a moment of weakness, and instead of somebody coming
- 6:33and comforting and soothing us, we're made fun of.
- 6:37We're teased, we're poked at, we're shamed for having that
- 6:41moment of weakness. We see this a lot in men.
- 6:45That might overcompensate for that.
- 6:49Whereas any type of weakness was actually shamed and made fun of.
- 6:54They were made to feel wrong and bad.
- 6:57And So what do they do? They grow up and they have a
- 6:59shell of this sort of Uber masculinity.
- 7:03And we're seeing this certainly in the United States here.
- 7:06We're seeing this with some online influencers where they've
- 7:09got this sort of, you know, toxic, what I would call toxic
- 7:13masculinity. And in some ways it is because
- 7:17they are hiding these, these feelings of being less than, of
- 7:21being bad, of being defective. I cannot not ever show weakness
- 7:27because if I do, then that makes me nothing.
- 7:30And so they create this outer shell of Uber masculinity.
- 7:34And so they're, they're learning to compensate for that.
- 7:38Caregivers who figured, you know, we're inconsistent,
- 7:42rejecting and emotionally unsafe can certainly create a sense of
- 7:47shame growing up in our early years or our adolescents.
- 7:52And what's most important is that this is a survival
- 7:56adaptation. Feeling shame or adapting to
- 7:59shame is a survival technique. And so sometimes it comes out as
- 8:05fawning or people pleasing or self blame.
- 8:10I see this in couples as well. So they might even use their
- 8:14shame and try to weaponize it in the middle of a rupture.
- 8:19The partners trying to point out, hey, I really needed this
- 8:23from you and I didn't feel like you were there for me.
- 8:26And then the other partner falls on the sword.
- 8:29I'm this horrible person. I can't believe you stay with a
- 8:32jerk like me. I don't deserve you.
- 8:35It's like, OK, they're they're feeling shame, but they're also
- 8:38weaponizing their shame. And they're using that actually
- 8:42to try to get their partner to lessen their criticism and to
- 8:47actually give them any kind of reassurance that they're still a
- 8:50good person because they are literally drowning in their
- 8:53shame in that moment. So a lot of times we can create
- 8:57and compensate for the shame we felt growing up for any kind of
- 9:04emotional weakness or dependency we may have had, or parents that
- 9:08were inconsistent, rejection, rejecting, or emotionally
- 9:12unsafe. And as a result, there are
- 9:15pockets or sometimes they're just a pervasive feeling that we
- 9:20are bad. All right, let's talk about what
- 9:24does shame look like in in your relationship?
- 9:28I've given you some examples already, but let's kind of click
- 9:31off a few more so you really begin to recognize what this
- 9:36looks like. And, and I will say that
- 9:38probably shame is a much bigger core emotion that I see in all
- 9:46my individuals and all my couples that I work with, that I
- 9:49help them heal their relational and attachment and complex
- 9:53trauma. What I see more is that at the
- 9:56heart of what they're wrestling with is a sense of shame, a part
- 10:02of them that feels so bad, so wrong, that they hide that part
- 10:06from even themselves. And I see this in couples for
- 10:10sure, because what prevents them a lot of times from having the
- 10:13tools that allow them to come back together and repair those
- 10:18ruptures is this sense of shame. And so shame can show up as
- 10:24hyper vigilant to other people's moods.
- 10:27We see this a lot in anxious attachment style.
- 10:31They are very hyper vigilant to any shift in another person's
- 10:36mood and feel responsible for adjusting to that instead of
- 10:41going wow my my partner was just in a really bad mood today, I'm
- 10:45going to just give them some space.
- 10:47Instead we we show up with this sort of wall of emotion about
- 10:51how can I fix this, how can I make this better for them?
- 10:54But we're so sensitive and hyper vigilant to a shift in their
- 10:59mood. It can certainly show up in
- 11:01constant internal self criticism.
- 11:04That inner critic that we've talked about before, and I deal
- 11:08with a lot of this in our coaching program for sure.
- 11:12Our three month program really highlights the inner critic that
- 11:17can show up in your life and just beat the crap out of you.
- 11:21When you feel like you've made a mistake, when that feeling of
- 11:25shame shows up, boy, that inner critic is right where it wants
- 11:29to be and it just starts packing on all the mistakes, all the
- 11:34failures, all the inadequacies that you've suffered in
- 11:39sometimes your life. Or at least in that situation,
- 11:42you're reflecting on feeling like a burden.
- 11:46Feeling too much or not enough certainly is part of that shame
- 11:52feeling. Feeling too much or not enough.
- 11:56Notice how that fits in the categories of anxious and
- 12:00avoidant attachment styles. I'm too much.
- 12:04I hear that a lot from a lot of anxiously attached individuals.
- 12:09I'm too much. I show up and I've got all these
- 12:11emotions and I know I'm too much for others.
- 12:15I'm not enough. No matter what I do, I'll never
- 12:18measure up. That fits right at the heart of
- 12:21the more avoidant style of attachment.
- 12:24And shame can be at the core of both of those.
- 12:27Re enacting old relational patterns as I've talked about
- 12:30before, whether it's anxious, avoidant or disorganized
- 12:34patterns. Looking back at the end of a
- 12:37relationship, realizing that will it must be me, I must be
- 12:41broken. And it really just, I hear that
- 12:45a lot when people will come to me that I'm broken, I need to be
- 12:48fixed. As if somehow I could just wave
- 12:51a magic wand over them. And it always just really pains
- 12:55me to hear that. But it also tells me exactly
- 12:58what they're struggling with this idea that they either feel
- 13:02this pervasive sense of Vadnais about themselves, or they've got
- 13:07an area, a pocket that they're really wrestling with in terms
- 13:12of being able to overcome their sense of shame and how that
- 13:16plays out in their relational patterns.
- 13:19And then finally, you know, how do we explain shame and our
- 13:24attachment trauma can actually reinforce each other, right?
- 13:29Our our attachment styles and our patterns, anxious avoid and
- 13:33disorganized can be self fulfilling prophecies that
- 13:38actually reinforce the shame that we feel in our
- 13:43relationships. So those are some of the ways
- 13:45that shame actually shows up. I want to mention real briefly
- 13:50too that it's shame is sort of a, a collapse state when we
- 13:55talked about how a nervous system has adapted to inadequate
- 14:04childhood experiences of of growing up and adequate
- 14:08parenting in adolescence or in our childhood.
- 14:13We only have certain number of options, right?
- 14:16As we've talked about before, we've got fight, flight, freeze
- 14:19or fawn and shame is definitely a type of freeze or could be
- 14:25fawning type of shutdown and self silencing.
- 14:29So it is where our nervous system actually dysregulates
- 14:35downward as opposed to up in a fight or flight fashion.
- 14:40It regulates downward. And so, you know, some of the
- 14:43triggers are the protective strategies around shame are like
- 14:48numbing. It could be perfectionism or
- 14:51even overachieving, constantly trying to ward off that feeling
- 14:56that we're not good enough. So on the outside, it might
- 15:00actually look anxious. It might look like perfectionism
- 15:03or overachieving or a very someone who's very highly
- 15:08structured because they're trying to get everything right.
- 15:11That can be a mask for shame. It can also very much look like
- 15:16freezing shut down or not speaking up.
- 15:20And This is why it's so important.
- 15:22And we're going to talk about this in just a moment.
- 15:24Why compassion and Co regulation are the antidotes to shame
- 15:30because of the two things that we're missing for us that we
- 15:34never quite got. Remember trauma, isn't it just
- 15:38about what happened to us? It's also about what didn't
- 15:42happen to us. And I think that's so important.
- 15:45I just want to repeat that again.
- 15:47It's so important because trauma stays in our nervous system.
- 15:51It's locked in our body, not in the verbal part of our brain,
- 15:56but in the non verbal, the emotive part of our brain, in
- 16:00our amygdala and down through our body.
- 16:03Not just because of what happened to us, but because of
- 16:06what didn't happen to us. Because we didn't have somebody
- 16:09come and sit with us in those painful moments and help us put
- 16:14those painful moments in perspective to help us Co
- 16:18regulate, to soothe us, comfort us and be emotionally available.
- 16:23When those things went missing in our childhood and our
- 16:28adolescence, or when those things go missing in a first
- 16:31marriage or maybe in our even current relationship we're in
- 16:35now, those can either create trauma or they can re traumatize
- 16:42us. And so I think it's just really
- 16:44important to to put that spotlight on trauma.
- 16:47It's not always what didn't happen or did happen.
- 16:50Excuse me. It's just as much about what
- 16:53didn't happen and how that say stuck in our body.
- 16:57All right, let's talk about next steps.
- 17:00Let's talk about the path out of shame.
- 17:03What does it mean for us to be able to try to heal this and to
- 17:08try to be able to work? Now, a few minutes ago I
- 17:10mentioned the antidote to this is compassion and Co regulation.
- 17:16One of the ways we do this is we need to start being able to name
- 17:21shame. We need to start being able to
- 17:23recognize, oh, I know what this is and this is something that I
- 17:29personally have struggled with in my life there.
- 17:32There were times where I did not get what I needed from my
- 17:37father. He was was a good man, don't get
- 17:39me wrong, but he was not emotionally available.
- 17:42He was not a soothing parent when I was in distress.
- 17:47And so often times I have struggled in my adult life with
- 17:52the idea of shame. It's not pervasive in me, but
- 17:55boy, do I have some pockets of shame and feeling like, Oh my
- 17:59gosh, I, I can't put myself out there because I'll be exposed
- 18:03for the fraud that I am. And that will actually trigger
- 18:07more of my shame. And so times in my life I've had
- 18:11really to figure out, how do I muster the courage here?
- 18:16How do I step out of my comfort zone?
- 18:19How do I put myself out there more and believe in myself more
- 18:23to make more of an impact in the ways I want to on this life and
- 18:27the people that I love and care about and not hide behind my
- 18:31shame. So bringing shame out of the
- 18:34dark by naming it is extremely important.
- 18:38Being able to map its origin, where did it come from?
- 18:42It took me a long time to be able to go back and be able to
- 18:45map and figure out, oh, I can see it wasn't just one moment,
- 18:50but I can see series of moments where I didn't quite get what I
- 18:54needed and that create a sense that I was bad or wrong.
- 19:00And so being able to identify the shame narrative is very
- 19:04important. And you can just do this through
- 19:05journaling or you can just do it through reflection.
- 19:08Just sitting down in a quiet space, thinking through a little
- 19:12bit, where does my, where's my feeling of shame come from?
- 19:16How does this show up for me and my life and my relationships?
- 19:20Because being able to talk about the origin story and where it
- 19:24comes from really helps us be able to understand and name it
- 19:29when we when it shows up in our life.
- 19:31I have gotten much better and by no means do I want you to think
- 19:34that I'm perfect, but I've gotten much better at being able
- 19:38to identify when my shame is showing up.
- 19:41When I have that feeling in my body when something happens or
- 19:46transpires between my wife and I or a colleague or even a client
- 19:51that may turn and attack me. I'm able better now to to
- 19:57recognize that and go, oh, I know what this is.
- 20:00Hang on Tom, breathe through this.
- 20:02You're OK in this moment. You can survive this attack.
- 20:06You can survive this feeling and hang on to it long enough
- 20:09because you know what you're experiencing right now.
- 20:13And then of course, the other thing is, is interrupting the
- 20:16inner critic. That is really important.
- 20:18We talked about compassion being the antidote.
- 20:22It is absolutely part of the antidote.
- 20:24And that is that we've got to have a compassionate inner voice
- 20:29that will tell that critic to shut the hell up.
- 20:33Because when we have that feeling of shame inside of us,
- 20:37whether it's pockets or pervasiveness or toxic or not,
- 20:41we've got to be able to recognize it and then come in
- 20:43with a more compassionate voice. Hey, it's OK.
- 20:47Everybody sometimes doesn't communicate very well.
- 20:51And this is one of those moments.
- 20:52You can go back and repair this. Hey, Tom, it's OK, You do
- 20:56measure up. Everybody makes mistakes.
- 20:59Look how you put yourself out there and you tried something
- 21:02different. Good for you.
- 21:03Good for you for trying something different.
- 21:05Now, next time you do it, you're going to get better at it.
- 21:08Next time you do it, you're going to improve.
- 21:10So keep at it. Don't quit.
- 21:12These types of compassionate voices are extremely important
- 21:17in being able to try to regulate that feeling of shame when it
- 21:22comes up for us. And I should say to shame is a
- 21:27core emotion. It, it is also buried deep down.
- 21:32So it it's not always recognized that what we're really feeling
- 21:37is shame. As I mentioned before, there's
- 21:39all kinds of ways where it might look different in our
- 21:43relationships. It might show up in self
- 21:46criticism or feelings of not good enough or in old patterns.
- 21:51It might look like being hyper vigilant to people's moods or
- 21:55shutting down and not speaking up very much.
- 22:00I, I work a lot with those individuals who fall into more
- 22:05of the avoidance style of attachment.
- 22:08And a lot of times at the heart of it is this sense of shame.
- 22:12And, and it may be, it may be showing up in the current
- 22:15relationship, but it's something that usually we can trace that
- 22:18storyline back. And it's something that they
- 22:20really struggled with growing up in their family of origin or in
- 22:26their adolescence somewhere where they had a season of their
- 22:29life that was just horribly, horribly bad.
- 22:33And maybe they thought about ending at all or something like
- 22:36that. They they move past that, they
- 22:38got stronger. But sometimes those pockets can
- 22:41be triggered in US. And so shame is one of these
- 22:45deep down emotions that we often don't acknowledge and name it
- 22:50because we don't think of it that way.
- 22:53So being able to trace its origin, being able to name it
- 22:57when it comes up and being able to have a more compassionate
- 23:02voice to counter the inner critic is indispensable in being
- 23:07able to heal ourselves from some of the shame that that blocks
- 23:13our capacity to create secure relationships.
- 23:18Some other things you can do and, and that I mentioned
- 23:20earlier, Co regulation, being able to reach out to somebody
- 23:26else and get encouragement from them, get soothing and comfort
- 23:30from them. If our partner can't do that for
- 23:33us in certain moments, then we need to have other people that
- 23:37can, even if they're imagined people from the past.
- 23:41Meaning that one of the things we can do to help ground
- 23:44ourselves is to conjure up an image of a grandparent, a former
- 23:51friend. Whether it's somebody you've
- 23:53spoken to recently or not, who in your life do you know that
- 23:57has always been there for you? Who in your life do you know
- 24:01that in a heartbeat? If you said I'm not doing well,
- 24:05I need some help, wouldn't in an instant show up on your doorstep
- 24:09or a phone call or a FaceTime or a text message or whatever it
- 24:13is? They would reach out to you in a
- 24:15heartbeat in order to be there for you.
- 24:18These are the kinds of images that we need to be able to
- 24:22conjure up in moments where we're feeling our shame.
- 24:26So that is part of Co regulation.
- 24:29If we can't do it in real time in real life, then we need to be
- 24:33able to do it in our imagination with past figures in our life
- 24:37that we know have been there many, many, many times.
- 24:41When I'm working with couples and individuals around their
- 24:45relational trauma, especially in our coaching program, we have to
- 24:50be able to bring alive a grandparent.
- 24:54Usually Thank God for grandparents.
- 24:55There's usually seems like always a grandparent, right?
- 24:58My mom and dad were drug addicts.
- 25:01It was chaos in our house. They split when I was young.
- 25:04They they ended up marrying two or three different times, you
- 25:07know, with other people. I was being thrown back and
- 25:11forth between households. It was just chaotic.
- 25:14But the one reprieve I have was my grandma Nana or my grandpa,
- 25:20you know, we called him Bud or whatever, or Papa, you know, a
- 25:25grandparent that was a safe space, A grandparent that was
- 25:30calm from the chaos that their eyes lit up when they saw me.
- 25:35They would always grab me, hold me.
- 25:37We would go for ice cream, we go for walks in the park.
- 25:40They just delighted in me and made me feel so special.
- 25:44These are the kinds of relationships that we cannot
- 25:47forget. When we are healing our shame
- 25:50and healing our trauma, it is absolutely critical that we are
- 25:54able to conjure up those memories inside of us.
- 25:58So part of that is the Co regulation.
- 26:01And then finally, let me just say that being able to rewrite
- 26:05our core beliefs is really important as well.
- 26:09Going from I'm unworthy to I'm worthy is extremely important.
- 26:14Now that's a process. It doesn't happen overnight, but
- 26:18being able to put into practice these different things that I've
- 26:21just talked about, that is part of how we change that core
- 26:25belief, that shame based belief of I will never measure up, I'm
- 26:30unworthy, I'm not good enough, I'm too much for others.
- 26:36We have to work towards those core beliefs to where we can say
- 26:40to ourselves, yes, maybe sometimes I'm too much, but a
- 26:44lot of times I'm not. Sometimes I'm just what other
- 26:47people need. Sometimes my emotion showing up
- 26:51and being available and empathic towards others is exactly what
- 26:55they need in the world and exactly what they need from me.
- 26:59And so being able to move that needle from I'm unworthy, the
- 27:03shame based beliefs to more of the wholeness beliefs of I am
- 27:09worthy, I do measure up. I can get it right.
- 27:13I am enough for my partner. Those are extremely important as
- 27:17well. And if we practice some of these
- 27:20others, but when we start to go into our shame, then that really
- 27:25can help us over time be able to change some of those core
- 27:30beliefs. Thank you so much for listening.
- 27:33As always, I really appreciate my names, Tom Phillip, and I am
- 27:37here to remind you to stay grounded, clear and connected.