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Chuck & Buck 4-7 Hour 4: How far away are our programs? ABCs of the Mariners and one last thing! · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Hey, Happy Tuesday, Good morning to you all.
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Speaker 2: It is Chuck and Ashley with you know, Bucky Jacob
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Speaker 2: sin today. I know a lot of you have been
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Speaker 2: wandering us as seven consecutive shows without Bucky. I'll just
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Speaker 2: tell you that everything's fine.
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Speaker 1: Everything's fine.
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Speaker 2: He's going to be out for a bit to take
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Speaker 2: care of some medical stuff. And it's nothing like from
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Speaker 2: an emergency standpoint or anything like that. Quite frankly, it's
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Speaker 2: just doing these hours and doing this shift. It's not
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Speaker 2: easy to put together medical appointments when you need when
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Speaker 2: you need more than one, and so he's just taken
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Speaker 2: a little bit of time. He's got that time, and
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Speaker 2: so that's what he's doing. And he's planning on giving
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Speaker 2: our listeners a more in depth statement on X later
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Speaker 2: on today, so he'll inform you. I certainly don't want
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Speaker 2: to expand on this much further than I already have,
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Speaker 2: but that's.
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Speaker 1: What's going on.
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Speaker 2: That's why he's not been here, and I doubt we'll
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Speaker 2: see him for the rest of the week beyond that,
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And we wish him the best.
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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, So.
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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have been asking wondering,
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Speaker 2: have been concerned for him, But all is okay with
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Speaker 2: Bucky right now, just looking into a few things. All right,
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Speaker 2: We've got ABC's of the M's coming your way a
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Speaker 2: little bit later on this hour. We also have one
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Speaker 2: last thing before we close out the show, and we
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Speaker 2: have a major story today. Of course, the next morning
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter if a local team is involved. Whenever you
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Speaker 2: crown a champion, that becomes certainly topic worthy. And we
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Speaker 2: have a champion of college basketball, as Michigan does win
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Speaker 2: over Yukon by a final score of sixty nine to
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Speaker 2: sixty three. I think the most impressive thing about it
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Speaker 2: is that they've won so beautifully all season long, an
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Speaker 2: old tournament long, just dominating everybody that's been in the way.
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Speaker 2: And then, to Yukon's credit, they muddied up the game,
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Speaker 2: they uglied it up a little bit, and Michigan's like, well,
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Speaker 2: we can win that way too, and they did, and
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Speaker 2: it got a little close late in the contest, banked
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Speaker 2: in three, and then some other things started to occur,
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Speaker 2: But nonetheless, Michigan does hold on. And I do like it, Ashley,
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Speaker 2: when we invest time in a full season, I like
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Speaker 2: it more and more the older I get and I truly,
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Speaker 2: truly believe that the best team won. I believe the
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Speaker 2: Michigan Wolverines were the best team in college basketball as Gonzaga.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it would have been disappointing if Yukon
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Speaker 4: had won, not because I don't like Dan Hurley, but
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Speaker 4: I don't like Dan Hurley, but because I just think
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Speaker 4: if Yukon would have won.
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Speaker 3: It would have been like, oh, how do you find
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Speaker 3: a way to do it again?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this, and it started to look like some
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Speaker 2: fluky things we're starting to occur.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm glad it didn't happen, because, yeah, Michigan
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Speaker 4: deserves to be celebrating that championship.
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Speaker 2: And we don't root for Michigan a lot, No anyone, No,
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Speaker 2: that's not you know who roots for Michigan a lot.
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Speaker 1: Michigan people.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they love apparently Michigan.
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Speaker 1: They really lay it on thick.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the thickest, lay it and honorest people that
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Speaker 2: you'll ever come across.
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Speaker 4: Speaking of Michigan fans, we just talked to Everett and
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Speaker 4: didn't even get to because we're.
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Speaker 2: All that's true too. Sad about the cracking. Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: guess I should have Congress.
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Speaker 4: I didn't even think about it until all of a sudden,
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Speaker 4: this moment when you talk, you know, talking about how
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Speaker 4: ridiculous Michigan fans are.
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Speaker 1: Just probably a good thing, though, because I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it would have been great, like the Kracking are
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Speaker 1: very good.
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Speaker 2: Ah my college basketball team, Yeah, maybe it wouldn't sound
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Speaker 2: so I want to live in a world where ever
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Speaker 2: it's depressed about the Kracking.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think we're there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so, but Michigan wins the Natty last night.
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Speaker 2: The National Championship is their's their first national championship since
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine. They didn't earn that one, they got lucky,
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Speaker 2: But this one, I consider this.
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Speaker 1: Their first championship.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and make the declaration Illinois actually
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Speaker 2: won in nineteen eighty nine.
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Speaker 3: Oh well, congratulations to Illinois. I don't think they knew that.
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Speaker 1: Yep, the Flying A Line I won the national championship
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Speaker 1: that year.
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Speaker 3: They were them.
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Speaker 2: They were the best team, not some team that got
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Speaker 2: ridiculously lucky led by a chubby point guard who's not
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Speaker 2: very good.
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Speaker 4: So felt had Yukon one basically got it getting ridiculously lucky.
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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, So I told you I told you, I
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Speaker 2: think I really like it when the best team wins.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, Michigan is your national champion. And I'll say this,
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Speaker 2: I think that yesterday was another indication. We kind of
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Speaker 2: had this conversation earlier about the North Carolina job going
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Speaker 2: to Mike Malone. You know, it's been a long time
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Speaker 2: since North Carolina couldn't kind of feel like they could
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Speaker 2: hand pick their next head coach. A lot of times
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Speaker 2: they've just promoted with from within and gone with the
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Speaker 2: new North Carolina.
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Speaker 1: Guy like Hubert Davis.
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Speaker 2: But this was really a practice in trying to discover,
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Speaker 2: you know, how powerful we are and it is time
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Speaker 2: to kind of get out from underneath the North Carolina
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Speaker 2: alum and let's go get one of the best coaches
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Speaker 2: in college basketball, because we don't want this thing to
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Speaker 2: slip any further and we hate not being as relevant
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Speaker 2: as we're accustomed to being. And they went after some
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Speaker 2: of the biggest names in basketball, and they went with
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Speaker 2: Mike Malone, and I think that's a very interesting hire.
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Speaker 2: I'm very curious to see what he's going to do.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a world champion with the Denver Nuggets
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Speaker 2: not that long ago, and we'll see if that works.
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Speaker 2: I think that's creative. I think it's a very interesting
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Speaker 2: decision to go that route. And I'm not here to
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Speaker 2: tell you that it's not going to work, but it
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Speaker 2: wasn't first choice. And maybe that's the world that we
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Speaker 2: live in now in college athletics. Maybe nil and transfer
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Speaker 2: portals and everything else that has assaulted our college athletics
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Speaker 2: has led to some of those powers that we just
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Speaker 2: assume our powers may not be as powerful anymore. Alabama
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Speaker 2: football doesn't look as powerful as Texas Tech football right now.
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Speaker 1: Who would have ever guessed that?
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Speaker 3: I mean me, never, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1: Never.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, North Carolina basketball doesn't look as powerful as Indiana football.
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Speaker 3: That's just weird.
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Speaker 2: Who would ever guess that? And yet that's where we're
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Speaker 2: at in the sports world. And another thing that we've
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Speaker 2: learned here in the last twenty four hours, and Dusty
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Speaker 2: May showed it to you, and that is the new
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Speaker 2: way that we construct teams. There really aren't any excuses
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Speaker 2: anymore for teams that well, we're not there yet, we'll
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Speaker 2: get there. Like Dusty May's been at Michigan for two years.
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Speaker 1: He had a baron.
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Speaker 2: Roster and I don't love the fact that we're in
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Speaker 2: a world now where I don't even like it, where
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Speaker 2: you can recruit through the transfer portal an entire starting five,
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Speaker 2: and yet that's where.
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Speaker 3: We are, and so advantage of it.
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Speaker 1: There are really no excuses.
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Speaker 2: Maybe you can't win a national championship, but if you're
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Speaker 2: not taking your program that you took over and making
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Speaker 2: it better step by step or even dramatically in a
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Speaker 2: year or two toime year two, it doesn't take much
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Speaker 2: more than that. Kurt Signetti and the sport of football,
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Speaker 2: with over one hundred guys on your roster, built from
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Speaker 2: the worst program in college football history, the best team
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Speaker 2: right now in college football, maybe the best program right
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Speaker 2: now in college football. I mean, two years does not
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Speaker 2: an Ohio State make, but nonetheless they were clearly better
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Speaker 2: than Ohio State.
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Speaker 1: This past year.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 2: And so I mean to be able to do that
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Speaker 2: in modern times, they're really aren't any excuses to be
8:02
Speaker 2: wrestling in mediocrity. And that's kind of where the UW
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Speaker 2: men's basketball program is right now. And look, we're the flagship,
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Speaker 2: probably not supposed to be even saying this about our partner,
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Speaker 2: I say it out of love. I want you to
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Speaker 2: get there, and I don't want to hear the excuses of, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, we're in the early stages of development. No
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Speaker 2: Indiana turned it around in the football field in two years,
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Speaker 2: So to me, Michigan showing you. And I don't think
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Speaker 2: by the way, they could have done this twenty years ago,
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Speaker 2: because I think teams that had played together for two
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Speaker 2: three years, even if it was just a couple of pieces,
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Speaker 2: probably would have an advantage over a team that was
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Speaker 2: put together at the beginning of the winter or in
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Speaker 2: the fall of last year. And I think they probably
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Speaker 2: would have held an advantage. But since nobody else keeps
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Speaker 2: their teams together for two or three years at a time,
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Speaker 2: it's who put together the best combination of players for
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Speaker 2: that given year. And you can scrub it completely like
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Speaker 2: Michigan did and add an entirely new starting five and
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Speaker 2: win a national championship. When somebody sets the bar there,
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Speaker 2: what excuse do you have for not at least pulling
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Speaker 2: yourself out of mediocrity as the leader of a program.
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Speaker 2: And that's where Danny Sprinkle's really got to look in
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Speaker 2: the mirror. I can't use injuries as excuses. You can
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Speaker 2: use injuries as excuses for not being as good as
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Speaker 2: you should have been. But there is no excuse for
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Speaker 2: having the off season that Washington had this past year
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Speaker 2: and not only not making the tournament, but not even
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Speaker 2: making the NIT. I mean that shows you a far
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Speaker 2: away that you've been here with this program. And so Nol,
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Speaker 2: I'm all about another chance for coach Sprinkle and hopefully
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Speaker 2: as a healthier year this upcoming year. But Dusty Mays
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Speaker 2: of the world and Kurt Signettes, if you are with
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Speaker 2: a program that is a proud program and you have
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Speaker 2: expectations of competing for a national championship more often than not,
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Speaker 2: then you're not living with the results that you've been
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Speaker 2: getting from you Dub basketball the last couple of years.
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Speaker 2: And Dusty May is the worst thing that has ever
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Speaker 2: happened to a coach who's leaning on the excuse of
10:25
Speaker 2: I've only been here a couple of years.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it's honestly the what makes
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Speaker 4: college sports exciting right now and also what makes them
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Speaker 4: sad right now is that you don't have a team
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Speaker 4: that you're watching year after year after year improve and
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Speaker 4: get better and we'll get to know the players.
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Speaker 2: And am I go back to that It might because
10:43
Speaker 2: they're trying to rein it in, but it's not there
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Speaker 2: right now, right.
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Speaker 3: It's not there right now. It is the complete opposite.
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Speaker 4: I mean, as we say, it's five new players, five
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Speaker 4: new starters that you've never seen before, and you're getting
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Speaker 4: to know them and cheer them on.
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Speaker 3: That year, and then they'll all be gone.
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Speaker 4: You're going to cheer for five new starters, and so
10:57
Speaker 4: it is weird because you're kind of watching these one
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Speaker 4: off teams and which is so the opposite of what
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Speaker 4: we love about college sports, or at least what I
11:06
Speaker 4: love about college sports. But you can't sit there and
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Speaker 4: live in the past of thinking, well, I got to
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Speaker 4: put together this team that's going to play together for
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Speaker 4: a while and we're gonna gel and grow.
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Speaker 3: It's just not the way of the world right now.
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Speaker 3: It's got to be immediate.
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Speaker 4: And unfortunately, especially in this day and age, we are
11:22
Speaker 4: in a society where everything we want immediate results. And
11:24
Speaker 4: if you're not going to hand over a national championship
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Speaker 4: or at least a run towards one, then we're done.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the immediacy of sports right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and then the pressure that other people apply,
11:38
Speaker 2: look I don't like it as much.
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Speaker 1: I'm with you a thousand percent. I don't like it.
11:41
Speaker 2: I think the lack of familiarity, especially in basketball and football.
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Speaker 2: The rules for the NFL Draft you get a little
11:48
Speaker 2: more familiarity, but in college basketball you just get none.
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Speaker 2: If you have a great player, he leaves after one
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Speaker 2: season with you, and then tack nil onto that where
11:58
Speaker 2: if they're not happy with you know who their girlfriend
12:01
Speaker 2: was last semester, they can transfer to another school in
12:05
Speaker 2: the off season. So it's it's even trickier. I mean,
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Speaker 2: when I say that college basketball used to be a
12:12
Speaker 2: lot better, it really has nothing to do with how
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Speaker 2: skilled the players are or how talented the players are.
12:19
Speaker 2: It has everything to do with you got to watch
12:22
Speaker 2: Patrick Ewing play four years at Georgetown, Ralph Sampson four
12:26
Speaker 2: years at Virginia, achem Olaju won three years at Houston.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was rare that you had somebody not
12:32
Speaker 2: stay for two or one. And now that's just the
12:37
Speaker 2: way that it is. And I think that it's just
12:39
Speaker 2: not nearly as good a game. I'm not saying it's wrong. No,
12:43
Speaker 2: I think that players ready for the NBA, ready to
12:46
Speaker 2: make millions. Yeah, I do the same thing. So I'm
12:48
Speaker 2: not saying what they're doing is wrong. It's just, bottom line,
12:51
Speaker 2: it's just not as enjoyable a product as what it
12:55
Speaker 2: used to be when you got into the whole. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but we've got youing next year. We are doing for
13:02
Speaker 2: one more year. This year, we got to do it.
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Speaker 2: I mean that sort of thing. You got to watch
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Speaker 2: it for four years and get to know him, and
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Speaker 2: it felt like forever, felt like forever that Michael Jordan
13:11
Speaker 2: was on campus at North Carolina and he only stayed
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Speaker 2: for three but that's two more than what they've stayed
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Speaker 2: for now.
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Speaker 1: So that's certainly.
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Speaker 2: Made the product less. But what are we operating in?
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Speaker 2: What is Danny Sprinkle? What's the world he's operating in.
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Speaker 2: He's operating in the exact same world that Dusty May
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Speaker 2: is operating in. And he just won a national championship
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Speaker 2: with a team he put together in the transfer portal
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Speaker 2: in the fall of last year, and so that's what
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Speaker 2: you're up against. And what he's done is they're revealing
13:44
Speaker 2: it can be done. I'm not saying it's easy, there's
13:48
Speaker 2: only one champion, but it can be done. So and
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Speaker 2: then I could apply this even to the Kraken who
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Speaker 2: we just had that depressing conversation with Everett about half.
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Speaker 1: An hour ago.
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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously different rules professional hockey to college basketball
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Speaker 2: right now, but are the cracking even close? Doesn't feel
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Speaker 2: like it, does not feel like it, and they seem
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Speaker 2: to be stuck in mediocrity and.
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Speaker 3: Ever even more so.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Everett made.
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Speaker 2: The point that do you really want to get as
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Speaker 2: bad as it takes to get one of those number
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Speaker 2: one overall picks? And I don't think that I do.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that they're that far away. But I
14:28
Speaker 2: do either want to do one of two things, and
14:31
Speaker 2: that is piece together some of these young pieces because
14:34
Speaker 2: you just keep accumulating draft capital and not making that big, giant,
14:38
Speaker 2: sexy trade that the team seems to need or and
14:42
Speaker 2: the other thing in this you don't even have a
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Speaker 2: choice about this anymore. You did have two years of
14:49
Speaker 2: top draft picks and you thought you were drafting future superstars.
14:54
Speaker 2: And Matt Eveneer's and Shane Wright, well, Shane writes clearly
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Speaker 2: in Lambert's Doghouse right now seems like it. And Maddy Beneers,
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Speaker 2: I think he's really good. I don't think he's going
15:03
Speaker 2: to get any better than really good. It's just my
15:07
Speaker 2: assessment of him. That's all right, you can have really
15:09
Speaker 2: good teams. But the point of the matter is, yeah,
15:12
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to get so bad that
15:14
Speaker 2: I just keep getting the top pick three out of
15:17
Speaker 2: five years.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to get that bad.
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Speaker 2: But you did have a swing as an expansion franchise
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Speaker 2: at top draft picks through no effort of your own,
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Speaker 2: and it kind of feels like you've swung and missed
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Speaker 2: on one of them and got a single with the
15:32
Speaker 2: other one. You didn't hit a home run more than
15:34
Speaker 2: a single double, yeah, comfortable stand up double and maybe
15:39
Speaker 2: an out with Shane Wright if he can't even make
15:42
Speaker 2: your top three lines three years into his career here,
15:46
Speaker 2: I mean, I realize he's still a young man. But
15:49
Speaker 2: you know, it didn't have to be this way, like
15:52
Speaker 2: Utah hit with Logan Cooley, and San Jose hit with Celebrini,
15:57
Speaker 2: and Buffalo hit with Taje Tom and we didn't hit
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Speaker 2: with our guys. We had the opportunity gifted to us
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Speaker 2: without having to go through the horror of tanking, and
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Speaker 2: we got to double in a you know, maybe a
16:15
Speaker 2: ground out to second out of it as opposed to
16:18
Speaker 2: hitting the home run that apparently is so damn important
16:22
Speaker 2: to NHL success.
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Speaker 4: Frustrating, It's very frustrating, and it feels like, I mean,
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Speaker 4: especially you think of the promise of when we got
16:29
Speaker 4: Maddy Beaneers and the promise of when we got Shane Right,
16:31
Speaker 4: and I mean, I just I mean, you look at
16:34
Speaker 4: Berkeley Catton and there's still a lot of promise there.
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Speaker 3: There's still a lot of promise there.
16:38
Speaker 4: But it's hard to get too hyped up for Berkeley
16:41
Speaker 4: Catton when you've seen what's happened with Right and Beneer's
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Speaker 4: and you wonder if they're capable of making someone a superstar.
16:50
Speaker 2: And you see what Colorado does with McKennon and macar
16:54
Speaker 2: just at the top. I mean they went every year, yeah,
16:57
Speaker 2: and Edmonton wins every year. Now they had to get
17:00
Speaker 2: bad for a long time. But if one of those
17:02
Speaker 2: two guys hits, I think it's a different story this year. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: And so it's frustrating. I don't know how close they are,
17:12
Speaker 2: but obviously other teams are showing you how it's done.
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Speaker 1: If you can do it the right way, and so
17:19
Speaker 1: just ratchet up the pressure. The pressure is ratcheted up
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Speaker 1: and there These are our franchises here at KJR.
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Speaker 2: So they're probably not too happy with me for saying this,
17:28
Speaker 2: but the pressure is on, not only because you know
17:32
Speaker 2: that your fan base wants you to win, and we
17:34
Speaker 2: know that you want to win, uh, but also you've
17:37
Speaker 2: got other people given the exact same product to work
17:42
Speaker 2: with that have reached the greatest heights and we can't
17:47
Speaker 2: get out of mediocrity here the last few years.
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Speaker 4: Well, and I will just say this about the Huskies
17:51
Speaker 4: and the Kraken. I don't think we're saying anything that
17:53
Speaker 4: both of them aren't re'rect Both those programs aren't discussing
17:57
Speaker 4: on a daily basis. How do we get to these
17:59
Speaker 4: next times where these other people are I mean, we're.
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Speaker 3: Not nothing we're saying. First of all, it's respectful. We're
18:05
Speaker 3: not ripping them apart.
18:06
Speaker 4: Right, there's a way to talk about it, to look
18:09
Speaker 4: into it, and to critique without being rude or ripping
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Speaker 4: somebody apart. And again, we're not saying anything that they're
18:15
Speaker 4: not thinking. They all want to improve, they're not happy
18:18
Speaker 4: with where they're at.
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Speaker 3: We know that, so okay, we can have that discussion
18:22
Speaker 3: and that's fair yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, I want Sprinkle back for another year, and
18:26
Speaker 2: I want Lambert back for another year.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I definitely don't think we need to be getting
18:30
Speaker 3: rid of another coach.
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Speaker 2: Right, but I have to have a major step forward,
18:35
Speaker 2: not a championship. You don't have to Dusty May the thing. No,
18:38
Speaker 2: I have to see a major improvement over the next year.
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Speaker 2: Otherwise that's it.
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Speaker 3: I agree.
18:43
Speaker 1: You know, you turn and.
18:44
Speaker 2: Burn NHL coaches all the time, and when it comes
18:47
Speaker 2: to college coaches, boy, you are living in the Signetti
18:50
Speaker 2: May world right now, and it is cold.
18:53
Speaker 1: They're in that shadow. Yeah, I'll tell you that much.
18:56
Speaker 3: That is a sprint, not a marathon.
18:57
Speaker 1: All right.
18:58
Speaker 2: ABC's of the M's Next Sport's Ready ninety three point
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Speaker 2: three KJRFM topics not necessarily the headlines.
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Speaker 1: You never know where the alphabet.
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Speaker 2: Is going to take us, and so we start with
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Speaker 2: the letter are That's where we left off. And of course,
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Speaker 2: the Mariners lost to the Rangers last night by final
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Speaker 2: score if two to one.
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Speaker 1: Still can't get the offense going.
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Speaker 2: But Ashley, I'm just expecting the offense to come around.
19:22
Speaker 2: I mean, cal Riley and Josh Naylor and Julio Rodriguez
19:27
Speaker 2: are still all heading under one point fifty with a
19:30
Speaker 2: combined one home run. Randy or Rose Arena still has
19:34
Speaker 2: not hit a home run. You're losing a lot of
19:36
Speaker 2: tight ball games. Those are the those things, actually, I mean,
19:40
Speaker 2: as disappointing as they are and as frustrating because I'm
19:43
Speaker 2: anxious to see them actually perform, like we know that
19:47
Speaker 2: they're capable of. Those aren't the things that are like
19:50
Speaker 2: frustrating me the most? Okay, like the things that are frustrating,
19:54
Speaker 2: I mean they're annoying, right, But the things that like
19:56
Speaker 2: tangibly like that can't happen ours for Revas, I just
20:04
Speaker 2: I just I came down hard on him yesterday because
20:07
Speaker 2: I thought he played just a terrible Sunday game. I
20:10
Speaker 2: don't think that utility guys who are filling in for
20:12
Speaker 2: an injured player can't afford to have mental gaffes. And
20:17
Speaker 2: he did it again last night. You are the nine
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Speaker 2: hole hitter and you're challenging. I realized this is all
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Speaker 2: new to us, this abs challenge system.
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Speaker 1: Yep, but you are.
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Speaker 2: If you're going to challenge a pitch, and Jay and
20:31
Speaker 2: Angie talked about it last night, you gotta be sure
20:34
Speaker 2: you are the nine, you're using a bullet. You're taking
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Speaker 2: a bullet away from cal or Julio or somebody who's
20:41
Speaker 2: actually dangerous at the plate.
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Speaker 3: Or one of your pitchers.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, and I understand that you're trying to get
20:48
Speaker 2: on base and what that could mean. I'm not saying
20:51
Speaker 2: you can't challenge, but you got to be sure. And
20:54
Speaker 2: you lately have gotten picked off first, You've missed two
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Speaker 2: challenges in the last two games. I mean, you're gonna
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Speaker 2: have it taken away from you. You are the nine
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Speaker 2: hole hitter, you are filling in for another starter. Why
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Speaker 2: are you challenging if you're not absolutely sure that the
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Speaker 2: umpire is wrong. That's just got to be corrected. And
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Speaker 2: we're gonna correct a lot of this stuff. I don't
21:15
Speaker 2: think that the way teams are using ABS is going
21:18
Speaker 2: to be the same way they're going to be using
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Speaker 2: it by the end of the year. But there were
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Speaker 2: a few calls in better situations that guys weren't challenging
21:28
Speaker 2: because they were down to their last one. Because Revos,
21:32
Speaker 2: challenged in a silly position, just thoughtlessly wanted to get
21:36
Speaker 2: on base. So let me try to do that right now,
21:39
Speaker 2: even though the count's not even in my favor.
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Speaker 4: Well, and yeah, for it to him to have done
21:43
Speaker 4: pretty much the exact same situation for both challenges that
21:46
Speaker 4: he got incorrect. I mean to the point where I
21:49
Speaker 4: was yelling at the TV, why are you challenging?
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Speaker 3: This is not where you should be challenging.
21:54
Speaker 4: And it's so close on any of those as you said,
21:59
Speaker 4: unless you're the ink who can somehow get the closest challenge.
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Speaker 4: Still correct, you should not be challenging, especially not at
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Speaker 4: that point in the game, in that situation. I just
22:08
Speaker 4: was annoyed by the whole thing. I even sent you
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Speaker 4: a text. Can we please not allow him to challenge anymore?
22:14
Speaker 4: He needs to be told no.
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Speaker 2: Uh well, I think that that will happen with guys,
22:18
Speaker 2: and it might happen with him. He might get that
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Speaker 2: that conversation like you are not you, your challenge's rights
22:26
Speaker 2: have been revoked, like we're not doing it, and less
22:29
Speaker 2: situational unless I give you a green light. Yeah, you know,
22:32
Speaker 2: bases loaded in the bottom of the eighth, but.
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Speaker 4: You'll know before you step up to the plate that
22:36
Speaker 4: you've got to green light there.
22:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's gonna end up happening with
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Speaker 2: a few people before the end of the season. I
22:43
Speaker 2: really do think this is going to become a situational
22:45
Speaker 2: thing as the season evolves. Tom Berducci, by the way,
22:50
Speaker 2: who's an analyst I love as much as anybody that
22:52
Speaker 2: covers baseball in the entire galaxy, he thinks.
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Speaker 1: They should be challenging more. I don't agree with him
22:59
Speaker 1: on this.
22:59
Speaker 2: I think that you need to be a little more
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Speaker 2: conservative and it needs to represent itself situationally more as
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Speaker 2: the season progresses. And that's sort of where Col's at,
23:08
Speaker 2: I know, and I think that's where Dan's at, and
23:11
Speaker 2: so right now, as everybody's getting used to this, I
23:14
Speaker 2: think they're allowing a few more green lights than are
23:17
Speaker 2: going to exist here in a very short.
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Speaker 3: Period of time, which I would like to see. And
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Speaker 3: I said that from day one.
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Speaker 4: I would like to see us use more early on
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Speaker 4: and then scale it back versus being so nervous to
23:26
Speaker 4: use them.
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Speaker 3: But it does seem like we are not very good
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Speaker 3: at them.
23:30
Speaker 1: Not yet.
23:30
Speaker 2: Ass for South pause, I think we're going to have
23:33
Speaker 2: to get used to this. I mean, the pressure is
23:36
Speaker 2: on Mariner's right handed hitters to prove that they're not
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Speaker 2: a liability, and I don't know what it is about
23:44
Speaker 2: this organization not being able to find or let's put
23:49
Speaker 2: it this way, signing the proven lefty killer that apparently
23:53
Speaker 2: is run out of magic the moment he puts his
23:56
Speaker 2: signature on a Mariner's contract, I mean, aj Mitch.
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Speaker 1: Garver, Donovan Solano.
24:02
Speaker 2: I mean the beat goes on of guys that have
24:05
Speaker 2: for a career killed lefties and then they get here
24:08
Speaker 2: and can't hit them at all. And we're gonna give
24:11
Speaker 2: Rob Refsniner more than eleven games and thirteen at bats
24:14
Speaker 2: or whatever else he has right now, But he couldn't
24:17
Speaker 2: be off to a worse start.
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Speaker 3: It's terrible.
24:20
Speaker 2: It is terrible. And Roblaze doesn't look good at the
24:23
Speaker 2: plate either. And I don't think he necessarily has to
24:27
Speaker 2: be taken out of a game when a right anders
24:29
Speaker 2: at the plate, because he's had a lot more success
24:31
Speaker 2: I think, historically against righties than he has the lefties.
24:34
Speaker 1: I don't think he's one of.
24:35
Speaker 2: Those type guys, by the way, Dan, but the Rangers
24:42
Speaker 2: are gonna had a righty going. Last night they took
24:44
Speaker 2: out after five innings. They have a righty going again tonight.
24:49
Speaker 2: They used three lefties last night. There is a reason
24:52
Speaker 2: why the Rangers have stocked up on lefty relievers. I mean,
24:56
Speaker 2: this is what the Mariners are going to face until
24:59
Speaker 2: they can prove they can hit left handers. Now we're
25:02
Speaker 2: not really hitting right handers either, but it's very clear.
25:05
Speaker 1: That teams are.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they've got a pitcher tonight that I think
25:08
Speaker 2: we're going to see, and that is Jacob Latz, who's
25:11
Speaker 2: off to a very good season this year, and he
25:13
Speaker 2: hasn't pitched in a couple of days, and he's a
25:14
Speaker 2: bit of a long reliever. I wouldn't be surprised at
25:17
Speaker 2: all if Nate Yuvaldi isn't out after three to four
25:19
Speaker 2: innings and we face Lats for three four innings because
25:22
Speaker 2: the Rangers are saving him so that we have to
25:25
Speaker 2: face a left hander.
25:26
Speaker 1: It is.
25:27
Speaker 2: That's another thing, like I'm not worried about Josh, Julio
25:31
Speaker 2: and col, but that's that is something that I am
25:35
Speaker 2: a little worried about right now.
25:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, especially because it's not just a
25:40
Speaker 4: this year thing, the Josh, Julio and Cal thing that's
25:43
Speaker 4: this year and for Julio a slow start every year.
25:45
Speaker 4: But obviously they've proven that they aren't these players that
25:48
Speaker 4: we're seeing in these first eleven games. But this lefty
25:52
Speaker 4: righty situation is is more worrisome.
25:55
Speaker 2: For And we have JP's are to everyday player, and
25:57
Speaker 2: we have Brendannanoman who's an everyday player from the left side,
26:00
Speaker 2: and we have Josh Naylor's and every day player from
26:03
Speaker 2: the left side, and the number one prospect who's going
26:06
Speaker 2: to come up and save the day.
26:08
Speaker 1: Right ted hitter. Yeah, so Rayley canzone.
26:12
Speaker 2: I mean, we are pretty dominant on that side of
26:15
Speaker 2: the plate, and the American League West is adjusting to that.
26:20
Speaker 2: They know who the team to beat is in the
26:22
Speaker 2: division and they've kind of built their staves to try
26:25
Speaker 2: to take out our offense. And until we can prove
26:28
Speaker 2: till the Refsnyders of the world can prove that they
26:31
Speaker 2: can be as lethal as they've been in the last
26:34
Speaker 2: few years, we're going to keep seeing teams, you know,
26:37
Speaker 2: manage to put lefties against us constantly whenever they can.
26:43
Speaker 2: And I think we'll see Jacob Lat's pitch for a
26:45
Speaker 2: lot of tonight's game as well. Finally, Tea is for
26:49
Speaker 2: Trout big thing yesterday on social media about how the
26:55
Speaker 2: Angels are furious of how often the Mariners pitch inside
27:00
Speaker 2: on Mike Trout, and of course the series kind of
27:02
Speaker 2: ended with him getting hit in the hand. Looks like
27:04
Speaker 2: he's okay. We want Mike Trout to be okay, but
27:09
Speaker 2: the Angels aren't too happy about it. Doesn't sound like
27:11
Speaker 2: they're going to forget about it, and we have to
27:13
Speaker 2: face them a number of times before the season comes
27:16
Speaker 2: to a close.
27:17
Speaker 3: Well, last time we had a brawl with them, it
27:19
Speaker 3: worked out well.
27:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did kind of turn the season around. Where's
27:21
Speaker 2: Winker when you need them?
27:22
Speaker 1: Yeah?
27:22
Speaker 3: Where's two of these?
27:23
Speaker 1: I can't do that now, Yeah, you can't do that.
27:26
Speaker 4: Oh I almost did it.
27:29
Speaker 1: I think we're on Yahoo or YouTube.
27:32
Speaker 3: My hands up, Oh.
27:34
Speaker 2: YouTube, it's allowed. But I will say this to it.
27:39
Speaker 2: I mean, I get where they're coming from. And I
27:42
Speaker 2: guarantee you the Mariners would be just as angry if
27:46
Speaker 2: we spent the weekend with cal Rawley getting brushed back
27:50
Speaker 2: and hitting the wrists and hitting the hands like Trout was.
27:53
Speaker 2: So I get where they're coming from. I think they
27:56
Speaker 2: have a point. I mean, I know why the Mariners
27:58
Speaker 2: were doing it. It's not because they're trying to injure
28:01
Speaker 2: Mike Trout. They want to he's a great hitter, and
28:04
Speaker 2: they feel like, at this stage in his career, you
28:07
Speaker 2: got to pitch him inside because he can't get to
28:09
Speaker 2: it the way that he used to. So it was
28:10
Speaker 2: complete and total strategy. But that also puts you in
28:14
Speaker 2: a position where there's a fine line between complete and
28:17
Speaker 2: total strategy, and if you miss a little bit, you're
28:20
Speaker 2: in on a star player's wrists and hands. And we
28:23
Speaker 2: wouldn't like it if it was happening to Cal or
28:25
Speaker 2: Julio or Josh or any of our guys quite frankly,
28:30
Speaker 2: So I get where they're coming from. I think that
28:33
Speaker 2: their anger is justified, even though I know that we
28:37
Speaker 2: weren't trying to throw at Mike Trout this past weekend.
28:40
Speaker 4: Right, And yeah, that's the thing is we have to
28:41
Speaker 4: put our non mariner's hat on and say, yeah, if
28:45
Speaker 4: it was anyone's player, you'd be angry.
28:46
Speaker 3: And that's that's fair.
28:47
Speaker 2: All right. We close out this Tuesday edition of Chuck
28:50
Speaker 2: and Buck with one last thing next Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 2: three point three KJRFM. All right, Vinyl segment here on
29:19
Speaker 2: this Tuesday edition of Chalking Back in the Mornings, and
29:23
Speaker 2: we're about ready.
29:24
Speaker 1: To sign out. You know, we do it. One last thing.
29:26
Speaker 1: What do you got back there, Ashley?
29:27
Speaker 3: Did you see the new seats at lumen Field.
29:31
Speaker 1: No?
29:31
Speaker 4: So in the hawks nest they have added some new
29:34
Speaker 4: seats and basically the way they've done it now it has.
29:38
Speaker 3: The eye of the seahawk.
29:40
Speaker 4: Oh so the section, if it's empty, you can see
29:43
Speaker 4: the eye of the seahawks there in the section.
29:45
Speaker 3: That's kind of cool. Oh yeah, so the Hawk's nests
29:49
Speaker 3: getting the upgrade.
29:50
Speaker 1: That's what you do when you become world champs. You
29:52
Speaker 1: just work on your seating.
29:53
Speaker 4: Really, they could have just put maybe on the other
29:55
Speaker 4: side they'll put the Lombardi Trophy.
29:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, you never know.
29:58
Speaker 2: So are you saying I could say, like in the
30:01
Speaker 2: hawk's eye, I could like sit in the.
30:02
Speaker 4: Hawk in the green if you were in one of those.
30:05
Speaker 4: There's a couple of green seats there.
30:07
Speaker 2: Let's see how I can't What if I dressed like
30:10
Speaker 2: a patch, would it look like there's a patch over the.
30:12
Speaker 4: Hawks only over a small part because there's probably like
30:16
Speaker 4: twenty green seats.
30:17
Speaker 3: See, you'd have to get everyone in your section.
30:21
Speaker 4: I dress as a cataract, yes, and just be a
30:23
Speaker 4: little lurb, a little blob on.
30:25
Speaker 2: The eye, right, I mean, not that I would, because
30:28
Speaker 2: that seems sacrilegious now.
30:30
Speaker 4: That you're bringing this up, though, I do think since
30:32
Speaker 4: we've gone to the trouble of making the seats look
30:34
Speaker 4: like this, everyone who sits in those seats should have
30:38
Speaker 4: to wear gray if you're in the bottom corner, white
30:41
Speaker 4: if you're in the outline, blue if you're in the middle,
30:43
Speaker 4: and green if you're in the spot of the eye.
30:45
Speaker 2: Oh and what if you could coordinate it where you
30:50
Speaker 2: could put everybody dresses in black, make sunglasses.
30:55
Speaker 3: Oh there you go, you think, there you go. I
30:57
Speaker 3: like it.
30:57
Speaker 4: If you could do different things, you could people at
31:00
Speaker 4: the top could wear red and be a little Santa
31:02
Speaker 4: hat on the eye in just for December games.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I like it. There's a lot of options, a
31:08
Speaker 1: lot of options.
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Speaker 4: They are why make the seats the design and then
31:11
Speaker 4: when people sit in them, you don't get to see
31:12
Speaker 4: it anymore. The people who sit there have to dress,
31:15
Speaker 4: and I want them in like a unitard, like head
31:17
Speaker 4: to toe.
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Speaker 3: You've got to were all gray, all white, all.
31:20
Speaker 1: Blue, all autochromatic. Yep, Yeah, that's it. I get it.
31:23
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, idea a lot.
31:25
Speaker 3: They say go big or go home, boy, That is.
31:28
Speaker 2: A sign, though, that you are on top of the
31:30
Speaker 2: football world when you've got nothing better to do than
31:33
Speaker 2: to figure out how can we make the seats look
31:36
Speaker 2: like a seahawk face?
31:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, guys, let's do it over here.
31:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I must have a lot of things figured out.
31:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, what else should we work on today?
31:44
Speaker 3: Should we test out new turf?
31:46
Speaker 1: Well?
31:46
Speaker 5: What?
31:47
Speaker 2: The football team's pretty good and young and coaches damn good,
31:50
Speaker 2: let's just make the seats look like a bird? Yes,
31:55
Speaker 2: all right, I like it.
31:56
Speaker 1: All right.
31:57
Speaker 2: I'm going to respond to something that I just saw
31:59
Speaker 2: on twit Mark Mark's calling me out, Mark sh calling
32:03
Speaker 2: me out on Twitter. Chuck really needs stuff talking about
32:06
Speaker 2: how good Badard and Celebrini are both our number one
32:08
Speaker 2: overall picks and Kraken didn't have an opportunity to draft them.
32:12
Speaker 2: Cooley went before Wright, so once again no chance to
32:14
Speaker 2: draft him. Uh and and blah blah blah blah blah.
32:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, but you didn't say the Kraken missed out
32:21
Speaker 4: on drafting, then.
32:22
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I didn't say that.
32:23
Speaker 2: The point is the point is that I don't really
32:27
Speaker 2: want to get so bad that you have the shot
32:30
Speaker 2: at the number one pick. My point is Shane Wright
32:33
Speaker 2: was supposed to be a number one overall cowboy. He
32:37
Speaker 2: was supposed to go to Montreal number one. The story
32:40
Speaker 2: about Shane Wright was that he fell to us, yes,
32:44
Speaker 2: and then we got a steal and may have gotten
32:47
Speaker 2: the best guy in the draft. Veneers was in the
32:50
Speaker 2: conversation to go number one overall. Yeah, okay, I mean,
32:56
Speaker 2: what do you go to right, and we get him
32:57
Speaker 2: at number two.
32:58
Speaker 4: I would be guessing if I that was a long
33:00
Speaker 4: time ago. My brain doesn't work that well.
33:01
Speaker 2: But he was in the conversation ago. That was our
33:04
Speaker 2: crack at having number one. And maybe maybe they're not
33:08
Speaker 2: Badard Celebrini. I kind of get that. Yeah, you know,
33:11
Speaker 2: I don't think they were talked about in those glowing terms.
33:14
Speaker 2: But we had two shots right out of the gate
33:17
Speaker 2: of pretty much getting a number one overall pick caliber player,
33:22
Speaker 2: and I don't know if I want to go through
33:25
Speaker 2: what it took to get back up there again. So
33:28
Speaker 2: my point is that, yeah, maybe we didn't have a
33:31
Speaker 2: shot at Badard or Celebrini somebody that good, but we
33:34
Speaker 2: still had somebody that was in the conversation for number
33:37
Speaker 2: one overall pick. And neither of those guys are playing
33:40
Speaker 2: like it well those other people that we've mentioned are Yeah,
33:43
Speaker 2: that's the point it. Yeah, So I don't think. I
33:46
Speaker 2: don't think I need to stop talking about it.
33:49
Speaker 3: And they're great players. We could talk about how great
33:51
Speaker 3: they are.
33:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe I'm maybe we could have a conversation
33:57
Speaker 2: or an our discussion about it.
33:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think I have to stop talking about.
34:02
Speaker 2: It, you know.
34:02
Speaker 4: And the great thing is it's your radio your radio show.
34:06
Speaker 3: You can talk about whatever you want for as long
34:08
Speaker 3: as you want to talk about it.
34:09
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to try to come off with
34:10
Speaker 2: some hockey expert either. No, I just hear about how
34:14
Speaker 2: important it is to get one of those special guys,
34:19
Speaker 2: and one of those special guys can take you to
34:21
Speaker 2: the next level. And to me, I thought we were
34:25
Speaker 2: getting special guys in Veneers and Right.
34:28
Speaker 1: And I think Veneers is very good and I think
34:30
Speaker 1: it will continue to be very good.
34:32
Speaker 2: But Right is going the other way, and I thought
34:34
Speaker 2: he was supposed to be even better than Beneer's right.
34:38
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, that's what I was talking about.
34:40
Speaker 3: Oh right, oh right, not left.
34:44
Speaker 1: So that's the point I was making.
34:45
Speaker 3: I get that.
34:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I think that is a fair point to
34:48
Speaker 4: be made.
34:49
Speaker 3: I'm wrong, And it's also.
34:50
Speaker 4: Fine that we kind of covet some great players that
34:52
Speaker 4: we wish we could have with somebody like that.
34:54
Speaker 3: I mean that's fair. M right, We're allowed to wish
34:57
Speaker 3: we had Maclin Celebrini.
35:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:00
Speaker 2: I mean you can go all in and trade all
35:02
Speaker 2: of these picks and try to get some established star.
35:06
Speaker 1: And I think Austin Matthews is available.
35:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you can hit when you were at the
35:11
Speaker 2: top of the draft.
35:12
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be nice? Okay, before we go though, one
35:17
Speaker 3: more thing, because we did get another text.
35:18
Speaker 4: Where's Bucky? He is out dealing with some medical stuff.
35:21
Speaker 4: He'll address it on next later.
35:22
Speaker 1: Yes, there you go.
35:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just because some people missed it.
35:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's nothing to worry about.
35:29
Speaker 2: He just has some you know, he just hasf medical
35:32
Speaker 2: stuff that he's looking into. So that's that's it in
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Speaker 2: a nutshell, all right. We will talk to you tomorrow
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