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Mega Edition: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 4-6) (5/19/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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  back in to the TOV of Noel interview with the
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  OIG Inspectors. Question. Okay, do you know why Epstein was
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  assigned to the Shoe Noel, no question. Did anyone ever
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  tell you it was because he was a risk for
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  suicide or safety concern? Noel, no question. No, We're going
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  to get into this a little later. But do you
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  know what the hot list is? Noel? Are those I
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  think the hot list is, like, how should I say?
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  Like inmates that are like inmates that are like gets
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  cut off. I'm going to show you this and ask
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  you if you ever received this training either Noel, uh
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  huh question or if you've ever seen it. This will
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  spell out exactly what the hot list is. Noel, okay, redacted.
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  So this is the mcc New York Special House. This
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  one is Special Housing Unit Management Suicide Prevention. Noel, uh
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  huh question? So can you just have There's two different tabs.
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  The first one is going to say redacted, just read
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  it for the record. Shoe hot list identifies inmates with
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  mental health condition who may become dangerous, self destructive or
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  suicidal when placed into the shoe Noel. Uh huh? Question?
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  And did you know that? Noel? No question? So do
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  you know what I'm talking about when I say hot list?
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  There was a list in the shoe Noel. No, I
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  actually thought the hot list was something else like that
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  was on the computer. No, I don't know that question. Okay.
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  Then it talks about when someone is on the hot list.
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  It's supposed to be a special notation on the hot list,
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  a special notation on the cell door, and there's also
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  a special notation on the shoe board. Noel, there was
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  never none of that. Question. So did you ever can
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  you just take a look quickly? You don't have to
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  look through that just basically the two tabs, as well
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  as the front Noel, Uh huh? Question was that ever
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  provided to you? Did you ever see this? Noel? No question? No? Okay,
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  Foy do you want her to initial question? If you could? Yeah,
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  you can do it on the top of the page. No, sorry,
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  the front page redacted on the front page, Foy, just
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  the first page, Noel. Oh question, And do you know
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  who would have been required to provide you that information? No?
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  And no one discussed that with you, Noel, no question.
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  Did anyone ever discuss the hot list with you? Noel,
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  no question? Had you ever heard of the term hot list? Noel,
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  no question. You never even heard the term, Noel. I
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  thought that hot list was like inmates that were like
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  like the inmates that were up on ten South, like
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  those high inmates like El Chopo and those types of
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  inmates redacted. Sure, Noel, that's what I thought hotless was redacted? Okay.
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  And because you brought up ten South, what's ten South? Noel?
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  The level above shoe redacted? And is that a specialized
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  unit that are even more secure than the shoe? Noel? Yes. Question.
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  And can you just explain to me a little bit
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  about who goes there, what the cell makeup is. Are
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  there cameras in each individual cell? Noel, I don't know. Question.
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  Oh you don't know, Noel, uh huh. Question. Okay, our
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  inmates that are in those cells only one inmate per cell, Noel,
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  I think so. Question? And are they monitored twenty four
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  to seven Noel, yes question. Okay, but you don't know
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  how they're monitored, Noel, no question. Okay, but they're like
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  a terrorist high profile drugs Noel. Yeah. Question okay, and
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  that's one floor above where the shoe is. Noel, yes.
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  Question is it kind of the general location of the
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  shoe though, Noel, it's upstairs? Question? Can you get to
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  it through the shoe? Noel, yes, redacted? And would it
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  be considered I know it's ten South and it's unique,
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  but is it also part of the general shoe? Noel.
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  I mean when you come into the shoe, you go
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  up the stairs and it's right there. Redacted. Okay, can
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  you get to it by other means? Noel? No question,
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  So you have to go through the shoe, Noel, go
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  through the shoe? Question? Okay? And how many correctional officers
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  are placed in ten South Noel one redacted one? Noel,
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  uh huh. Question there's no way in or out other
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  than the shoe. Noel, uh huh. Through the shoe. Okay.
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  So when you come in and out to the officers
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  that are working in the shoe, you know where you
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  were working. Are you the ones that have to allow
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  them to get in and out of the shoe? Noel yes. Question. Okay,
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  do you recall who was working on ten South on
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  August ninth or tenth? Noel redacted? Question redacted Noel, uh
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  huh question Okay, was that August ninth or tenth or both? Noel.
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  I don't know about the ninth, but the tenth question.
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  That's fine, And some of this stuff redacted. Probably at
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  some point give you a list of the people so
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  you can refer to like the roster. Okay. Question. You
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  know you can recall that way if you remember that
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  those people were in indiscernible Noel, okay. Question. But you
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  did say that Epstein was assigned to the shoe on
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  August ninth and August tenth, twenty nineteen. Noel, yes, question okay,
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  And he was assigned to the shoe on the days
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  leading up to the August ninth, twenty nineteen Noel, yes, question, Okay.
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  Do you know approximately how long Epstein was assigned to
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  the shoe, Noel, No question. Was he assigned to the
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  shoe for the most part of when you were doing
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  your assignments in the shoe, Noel, when I came back
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  and I was working there? Question correct? Noel, yes question, yes, okay.
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  So does July and August sound about right that he
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  was in the shoe? Noel, uh huh question. Yes. What
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  was Epstein's routine while he was assigned to the shoe.
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  We talked about it briefly. He was with his attorneys
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  and stuff. So was that like daily routine. Can you
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  just tell me when he would come and go and
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  when he would be in the shoe and not be
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  in the shoe? Noel. Oh, I come in at two
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  and I come in at four, so when I come in,
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  he's not there. He would come back like around after
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  eight pm. Question okay? And did you typically work after
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  eight pm? So you come in at two or four?
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  When would you typically work until Noel two to ten
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  or four to midnight? Question? And then you would typically
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  do overtime shifts after that? Noel, No, because I usually
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  do it on the front end question Okay, Noel, So
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  I usually come in at eight to four and do
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  four to twelve redacted. And when you would come in
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  at eight to four, would he be gone already? Noel? Yes,
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  question okay, but he would come back around so he
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  would be gone before eight am and come back around
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  eight pm Noel, Uh huh. Question would he eat while
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  he was in the shoe? Noel, He gets common fair
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  that's all I know. I don't know if he eats it,
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  but he gets common fair redacted. Would that be something
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  you supplied after eight pm? Noel, when he comes back? Yeah?
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  Question okay. What time is typically feeding time in the evening? Noel,
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  after four question? And so because he was away, would
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  he have an individual tray that was saved for him
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  or provided when he returned? Noel, yes question okay. And
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  would you provide that trade to him? Noel, not necessarily me,
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  just whomever? Did you ever? Noel? Yes question Okay. Did
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  you provide that to him on August ninth? Noel, yes question,
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  You were the one who did, Noel. Uh huh. Question Okay.
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  Did you ever have any communication with Epstein during his
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  stay at the mcc Noel, no question. Never any conversation
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  at all, Noel. No question. Okay. Did you even verbally
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  say hello, hello, back, anything like that? Noel. He was
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  in the shower to make a phone call, and he
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  was calling because he wanted to come out of the shower,
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  and I told him that he had to wait because
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  there were other inmates out and you can't move them
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  and them out at the same time. That's the only
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  conversation I ever had with him. Redacted and redacted get
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  into that. But what was the phone call on August ninth,
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  twenty nineteen, Noel, yes, question, okay, but when would you
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  provide food or any time he would come back after
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  eight pm? Even when he was coming in or out,
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  you wouldn't even say hello, Noel, no question, No, okay.
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  For the one interaction you can think of with the
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  phone call, do you remember if that was a positive
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  or negative interaction? Do you remember it at all? Noel?
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  It was regular question regular Noel, uh huh. Question. Did
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  he seem upset? Noel? No question, abnormal, anything out of
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  the ordinary, Noel, no question. What were your instructions with
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  regard to Epstein being assigned to the shoe, Noel, there
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  were no instructions. Question, So no one said Epstein was
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  a high priority there pay closer attention to him, Noel,
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  No question. All right, So, even when you had that
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  interaction with one individual who told you that he was
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  a high profile person, that he was in the news
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  all the time, there was never discussions about what we
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  need to do to pay close attention to him. Noel,
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  no question. And Lieutenant redacted you said, was the lieutenant
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  in the shoe, He never told you to pay special
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  attention to Epstein? Noel. No question. Okay, was Epstein assigned
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  any cell mates when he was assigned to the shoe? Noel? Yes. Question.
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  And do you know when he was assigned to the shoe,
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  was he always assigned to cellmate? Noel? I just know
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  that he had two cell mats. Question, okay, two different ones? Noel. Yeah.
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  Question all right. Did anyone ever speak with you about
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  Epstein needing a cell mate when he was in the shoe, Noel?
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  No question. No Who was the officer in charge or
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  the OIC in the shoe? Noel? Me? Question, are you
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  talking about at twelve am? Noel, Yes, indiscernible redacted. In general,
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  was there like one officer in charge that was like
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  considered the OIC in the shoe? Noel, That's what I'm
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  telling you. On paper, it says me, but I don't
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  know how to run the shoe, so I rely on
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  the senior officer well on the roster, and it says
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  that I was the OIC. Question. I think I'm not
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  asking the question correctly. I'm not talking about like from
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  twelve am to eight am on August tenth, I mean
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  in general, like in July and August when you were
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  in the shoe, was there one person that was considered
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  the officer in charge? Like, how's there one lieutenant of
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  the shoe which was redacted? Was there also an officer
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  in charge of the shoe? Noel, no question. Do you
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  know who wasn't it redacted? Then redacted? Again? Do you
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  know who redacted is? Noel? No question. Would he be
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  considered the officer in charge? Noel. See, I don't know,
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  because on this roster it can be a different person.
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  Question did it redacted have like a computer desk area
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  that he always sat in when he was there? Noel,
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  No question. Specifically, Noel, it's the one that we all
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  sit at. Question. But he didn't have one specific location
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  that he would sit at, Noel, no question. No, he
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  would sit wherever Noel. Yes, all right, folks, we're gonna
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  wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing
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  with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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  All the information that goes with this episode can be
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  found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
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  to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
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  we're diving right back in to the tovin Owell interview
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  with the OIG inspectors. Question, can you give me just
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  like a layout. How many desk and computers where they're
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  in the shoe where the officers sat Noel, it was
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  two desks, one this way and one this way redacted,
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  So kind of like an L type of formation, Noel, Yes,
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  And computers about three? Question about three computers? Noel? Uh
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  huh question? And had you sat at all three of
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  those computers at least one time during your shifts? Noel, yes, question. Okay,
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  so it's just it rotates, you considered each one, Noel,
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  I mean you can sited anyone. Question. And do you
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  remember ever there being a sign posted on any of
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  the computers saying that Epstein was required to have a
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  cel mate? Noel, no question? All right, and then redacted?
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  Am I pronouncing that right? Mister redacted? Yeah? Redacted? How
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  do you spell your last name? Do you remember? Redacted?
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  Thank you? Agent redacted? So he didn't have a specialized
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  computer where he would have posted a sign on a computer, Noel,
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  no question. No what about do you recall ever seeing
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  a sign posted on Epstein's door? Noel, no question saying
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  that he was required to have a cell mate. Noel,
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  no question. No, okay, who was inmate? Nicholas tartag Leoni. No, Well,
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  his first cellmate that he had. Question Epstein's first cellmate? Noel,
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  Uh huh? Question? Was that his cellmate in July of
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  twenty nineteen, Noel. I'm not sure about the month, but
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  that was his first cellmate redacted. Okay. Do you recall
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  if Tartaglioni was already in the shoe or was he
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  brought in specifically to be Epstein's cell mate? Noel, I
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  don't know that question. You don't know that, Noel. No question. Okay.
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  Are you aware of any issue that took place between
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  Epstein and Tartaglioni when they were cell mates? Noel? No question.
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  Were you aware that honor around July twenty third of
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  twenty nineteen that Epstein allegedly attempted to commit suicide? Noel.
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  I wasn't at work that day, but I was told.
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  Question Okay, And were you told anything else about the incident? Noel?
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  No question. Are you aware if Tartaglioni was his inmate
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  at the time? Noel. Yes. Question, and you said you
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  didn't have any involvement in that matter though, Oh, Noel,
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  I wasn't at work. Question. Do you know if Tartaglioni
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  was removed as Epstein's cell mate at some point, Noel.
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  After that he had another cell mate, Reyes question and
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  do you know why they changed? Noel, But I don't
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  know why. Question. Okay. Do you know who would have
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  made that decision to change cell mates? Noel, no question.
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  Had you ever heard that Tartaglioni attempted to harm Jeffrey Epstein? Noel,
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  no question. You didn't even hear that rumor? Noel, no question. Okay.
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  Do you know what was used in the incident when
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  Epstein attempted to allegedly attempt to take his own life? Noel,
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  no question. Do you know if it was like Linen's
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  or a shirt or any kind of Noel, I don't know.
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  Question no Noel, no question. No one discussed that with you, Noel,
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  no question. And you didn't ask anybody about it, Noel,
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  no question. Do you know if Epstein was placed on
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  suicide watch or psychological observation? Noel. I think he was
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  placed after that, but I don't know which. One question. Okay.
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  Is it usually that someone will go on suicide watch
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  for about twenty four hours, then after that they would
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  go on what's called psychological observation, Noel, I'm not sure.
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  Question You're not sure? Noel? Uh huh? Question? Is that
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  done in the shoe or elsewhere? Noel, It's done downstairs. Question.
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  And when you say downstairs, do you know where Noel,
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  where the suicide watch is or unit two? Question? Okay,
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  so second floor Noel? Uh huh question? And do you
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  know who makes the determination to be able to place
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  someone on suicide watch or psychological observation? Noel, no question?
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  No Okay. Does it sound right that he was placed
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  on suicide watch on or around July twenty third, twenty nineteen,
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  and return to the shoe honor around July thirtieth, twenty nineteen. Noel, yes.
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  Question that sounds about right, Noel. Uh huh question. And
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  at that time was Epstein assigned another cell mate? Noel? Yes? Question?
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  Who which cellmate? Noel? Reyes? Question Reyus Noel, uh huh
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  question on or around July thirtieth, And who was inmate?
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  Reyes ephrin Reyes Noel his cellmate redacted? Do you know
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  anything about him? Noel? No question? Okay, but do you
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  know he was his cell mate from that point until
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  about August ninth, twenty nineteen, Noel, yes. Question okay, And
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  do you know if inmate Reyes was already in the
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  shoe or was he brought in specifically to be Epstein's
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  cell mate. Noel, I don't know. Question. You don't know
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  if he was already in there, Noel, no question. Now
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  do you ever do you have any involvement with the
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  inmates when you're in there? Would you like converse with
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  them or kind of redacted or Noel answer, no question. No,
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  so you don't Did you ever know why people were
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  specifically in the shoe Noel, no question. No do you
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  know why in mate Reyes was removed from MCC on
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  August ninth, twenty nineteen, Noel, no question. So even at
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  this point, do you know why he was removed? Noel No,
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  I didn't even know he was removed. Redacted. So I'm saying,
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  even today, do you know that? Noel? Oh, no question.
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  You don't know why he was removed? Noel. No, I'm
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  saying at that point in time, I didn't know why
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  he was removed. Question. Yeah, So I'm saying as of today, Noel,
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  but for now, I don't know the reason why he
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  was moved. Question Okay, but do you know that he
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  was removed, Noel, yes. Question. And did you know that
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  he was removed on August ninth, twenty nineteen, Noel, no question.
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  So even on August ninth, you didn't know that he
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  was removed, Noel, no question. You knew that Epstein had
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  a cell mate, you just didn't know that he didn't
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  have a cell mate on that day, Noel, he had
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  a cell mate. I didn't know that the cell mate
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  was removed and wasn't coming back. Question. Okay, So you
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  never learned on August ninth, or August tenth, for that matter,
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  prior to six thirty that there was no other inmate
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  within Epstein's cell Noel, no question. Okay. And do you
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  know if anybody was aware that Reyes was departing the
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  mcc or shoe prior to August ninth, twenty nineteen, Noel,
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  I don't know. Question. You don't even know what you
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  know at this point if anyone was aware, Noel, no question.
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  Do you know if it was anticipated or not an
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  anticipated move? Noel, I don't know. Question. So on August ninth,
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  during your time from four pm even to just twelve am,
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  that was not discussed with you at all or within
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  the Shoe that Epstein's roommate res was removed. Noel, never question. Never, Noel,
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  never question. And are you pretty confident about that? Noel?
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  Yes question. Okay, are you aware if Epstein should have
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  been reassigned to cellmate after in Ray was removed on
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  August ninth, twenty nineteen. Noel, no question. So you're not aware, Noel,
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  no question if he should have been Noel, no question.
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  So your understanding was he had a cell mate, you
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  just didn't know if one of them was removed that
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  he should be reassigned one Noel exactly. Uh huh. Question Okay,
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  do you know who was responsible for assigning Epstein a
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  new cell mate? Noel, I don't know. Question. Could shoe
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  staff have assigned Epstein a new cell mate? Would you
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  have had the authority working in the shoe if you
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  knew someone was supposed to have a cell mate, do
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  you have the authority to place another inmate in with
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  that person? Noel? See, I don't know because I'm that
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  new question. Okay, Noel. So, like I said, I rely
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  on the senior person a lot, So I don't know,
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  Like that would be a question I would ask them,
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  So I don't know. Question when you were during your
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  time in the shoe, which you said, I guess was
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  from you know, late June through August ninth or tenth.
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  Did you ever see that happen before? Shoe staff assigned
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  inmates with other inmates? Noel. When an inmate comes, they
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  place them with another inmate redacted. Question And would they
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  do that based upon their own responsibilities and duties or
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  would someone tell them to do that? Noel, see I
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  don't know. Question you don't even know, Noel. Uh huh.
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  Question So you saw people be assigned with other ones,
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  but you don't know how that was determined? Noel. Yeah. Question,
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  so you don't even know if you could have assigned
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  Epstein a new cell mate. Noel, I don't know. Question.
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  Do you know if shoe staff should have assigned you know,
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  like or I guess you just answered that so you
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  said you know? And again on August ninth, no one
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  notified you that Reyes was gone from the shoe Noel.
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  No question, And you were working in the shoe, Noel, Nope.
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  Question do they typically tell you what an inmate in
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  the shoe is or has left left and is not
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  coming back? Noel. Nobody said anything to me. I don't know. Question,
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  because you don't have to be able to keep your
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  accounts correct and be able to know how many people
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  are in the shoe. So if someone's removed, don't they
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  have to tell you this person's not coming back, so
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  your account's going to be lower, Noel. But it wasn't
• 22:19
  told to me, so I don't know. Question. Okay, do
• 22:24
  you know who the MCC staff psychologists were in August
• 22:27
  of twenty nineteen, Noel, no question. Do you have any
• 22:31
  dealings with them at all? Noel? No question. Does the
• 22:34
  name chief redacted? Ring a Bell? Noel, no question? How
• 22:39
  about staff psychologists redacted? Noel? I know her question? Okay,
• 22:43
  who is she Noel? One of the psychologists? Question? Okay,
• 22:48
  and did you have dealings with her? Noel? I had
• 22:51
  dealings with her after question after August tenth, Noel, Like
• 22:57
  on August tenth she came to the unit. Okay, prior
• 23:00
  to August tenth. Did you ever have any dealings with her? Noel,
• 23:04
  No not really question What about redacted? Noel? Yeah? I
• 23:08
  know her question? And who is she? Noel? A psychologist question?
• 23:14
  Did you have any dealings with her? Noel? No question?
• 23:18
  So only with redacted. Noel, Yes, but she came after
• 23:22
  the incident. Question but what was your dealing with her
• 23:26
  after the incident? Noel, She just asked if I was
• 23:28
  all right? Question? Okay? Did she ask you anything about
• 23:31
  Epstein or a cellmate or anything like that, Noel, no question. No,
• 23:36
  so it was specific to you, Noel, yes question. Okay.
• 23:40
  Are you aware that Epstein was meeting with staff psychologists
• 23:44
  during his stay at the MCC Noel, no question. No
• 23:49
  would he haven't met with them, I guess during suicide
• 23:52
  watch and psychological obviously Noel. Yes question. Okay, so that
• 23:57
  did you know that he met with them then? Noel. Well,
• 24:00
  I didn't know if he did, but I'm going to
• 24:02
  assume he did. Question. Okay, but do you know that
• 24:05
  he was placed on suicide watch? Noel, yes question. And
• 24:09
  they never no one from psychology ever provided you instruction
• 24:14
  with regard to when he returned, how he was to
• 24:16
  be treated, Noel, no question. Or that he was needed
• 24:20
  to have a cell mate at all times Noel, no question,
• 24:24
  Or that you needed to watch him Noel, no question.
• 24:28
  Do you know who placed him on suicide watch? Noel,
• 24:31
  no question. So what is your understanding of suicide watch.
• 24:36
  When someone's on suicide watch and they come back, what's
• 24:39
  your understanding of how you're supposed to treat those people. Now,
• 24:42
  my understanding is that you would have received this training,
• 24:45
  you know. Now, I know you said you didn't do
• 24:48
  the shoe training, but the other training that you attended,
• 24:51
  the if the mcc annual and the correctional officer training
• 24:55
  at fl etc. Did they discuss suicide Noel. I mean,
• 25:00
  if someone is like, explains to you that they're feeling
• 25:03
  a certain kind of way or they want to harm themselves,
• 25:06
  then you report it to them. They will place them
• 25:08
  on suicide watch. But as far as when they return,
• 25:11
  there is nothing special that we're told to do when
• 25:14
  someone returns from suicide watch. Question. So they don't tell you, like,
• 25:19
  this person's on suicide watch, he's returning, he needs, you know,
• 25:23
  a high likelihood of attempting to harm himself, Noel, No question.
• 25:28
  We should place them with another cell mate, Noel, No question,
• 25:31
  that we should watch them, Noel. Know question. Or make
• 25:35
  sure that he hasn't harmed himself, Noel, no question. Or
• 25:38
  pay special close attention to that individual, Noel, No question.
• 25:43
  You said suicide watch, though that is on the second floor? Noel,
• 25:47
  yes question. Okay, so you're not aware that the requirement
• 25:52
  that if someone is returned to the shoe that they're
• 25:55
  required to have a cell mate if they were on
• 25:58
  Suicide Watch. Noel, no question. Do you know what the
• 26:02
  difference between Suicide Watch and Psychological Observation is? Noel? No question.
• 26:07
  Are they both done on the second floor? Noel, yes question. Okay,
• 26:12
  but you don't even know what that is? Noel, no question.
• 26:15
  Did you know that Epstein was also on Psychological Observation? Noel,
• 26:19
  no question. No just suicide Watch Noel, uh huh question?
• 26:25
  And to you it's one and the same thing. Noel,
• 26:28
  yes question. Okay, all right, folks, we're going to wrap
• 26:34
  up right here, and in the next episode dealing with
• 26:36
  the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
• 26:39
  All the information that goes with this episode can be
• 26:42
  found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
• 26:46
  to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
• 26:49
  we're going to dive right back in to the Tovin
• 26:52
  Noel interview with the OIG investigators. Question, and I did
• 26:57
  ask you about Suicide Watch, but do you know who
• 27:00
  plays Epstein on Psychological observation Noel, no question. No, And
• 27:06
  you don't know. Are inmates that come from psychological observation
• 27:09
  required to have a cell mate? Noel, no question. You
• 27:13
  don't know, Noel, I don't know. Question. So, were you
• 27:16
  aware of any inmates that are in the shoe that
• 27:19
  were on suicide watch? Came from suicide watch and psychological observation? Noel,
• 27:24
  no question. And again that hot list? Did you say
• 27:27
  that you remember there being one? Noel, no question in
• 27:31
  the shoe Noel, no question. So you don't even remember
• 27:35
  there being a hot list in the shoe? Noel, no question.
• 27:39
  Would you like to look around at the boards and
• 27:41
  look at the walls and see different things? Noel, there's
• 27:44
  no list. Question, No, there's no Like where the post
• 27:49
  orders are, where they're kept as she cuts them off? Noel,
• 27:54
  it's on the desk. Question. Was there also on the
• 27:57
  desk something called the hot list? Noel? No question. Was
• 28:00
  there a list on the desk that had like inmates
• 28:03
  names and anything next to them, like a description? Noel?
• 28:07
  There's a roster? Question a roster like of all the
• 28:11
  inmates in the shoe total? Noel, yes, question, Well what
• 28:15
  about like? And I only say this because I know
• 28:17
  that there was one, So you don't recall saying like
• 28:21
  or seeing like one list where there are special people
• 28:24
  assigned to the list, call the hot list, Noel, no question. No,
• 28:29
  And you did work there all of June July and
• 28:31
  August or not all end of June July and then
• 28:34
  it's August Noel. Yes. Question did any staff psychologists visit
• 28:39
  the shoe Noel? Yes. Question did they ever visit Epstein
• 28:43
  in the shoe? Noel, No question. No. What time typically
• 28:48
  would they come to the shoe when they would visit, Noel,
• 28:51
  like after when I worked the eight to four. I
• 28:54
  don't know, sometime in the day, like maybe around twelve redacted.
• 28:58
  And would they not have come to the shoe to
• 29:00
  see Epstein because he wasn't there at twelve? Noel, because
• 29:03
  he wasn't there. Question do you know if they ever
• 29:06
  visited with him when he was with his attorneys? Noel,
• 29:10
  I don't know. Question. So did anyone so psychologist, peer, supervisor,
• 29:15
  or anyone else ever tell you that Epstein was required
• 29:18
  to have a cellmate? Noel, nobody, question nobody. Did you
• 29:23
  ever receive any emails? So any type of form of communication,
• 29:27
  so not just verbal emails and writing text messages anything, Noel,
• 29:31
  no question. Do you have that email? This isn't an
• 29:35
  email that was sent to you. I just want to
• 29:37
  see if you if someone ever forwarded this to you.
• 29:40
  Did anyone ever forward you this? First of all, this
• 29:43
  is an email from redacted. It says suicide watch psychological
• 29:47
  observation update. It's what was sent on July twentieth, twenty nineteen.
• 29:52
  It says inmate Epstein's being taken off psychological observation and
• 29:56
  needs to be housed with an appropriate cell mate. Did
• 29:59
  anyone ever forward this information to you, being that you
• 30:02
  worked in the shoe where he was assigned. Noel, no question.
• 30:07
  So no one ever discussed with you in the shoe,
• 30:11
  like none of the other employees in the shoe that
• 30:13
  would have received this, Noel, no question. Do you know
• 30:17
  why other employees would have received this, then you wouldn't have, Noel,
• 30:20
  I'm not going to say that they received it and
• 30:23
  I didn't question. Well, if you look at the back,
• 30:27
  it's all the people that it was sent to. So
• 30:29
  if you go to the last page, do you recognize
• 30:31
  any of the people on there that you worked in
• 30:33
  the shoe with the names. Look at that. Look at
• 30:36
  the list that middle page and towards the bottom the
• 30:39
  following page, I think middle towards the bottom, Noel, that's
• 30:43
  the lieutenant. Question. Do you recognize lieutenant redacted on there? Noel, Yes,
• 30:48
  but this is not sent This is not sent to
• 30:50
  the workers. Question none of those people were assigned to
• 30:54
  the shoe towards the bottom of that Noel, no question. No, okay,
• 30:58
  So just the only person that you see on that
• 31:01
  is the lieutenant Noel, Lieutenant redacted? Question? And he never
• 31:06
  discussed the matter with you? Noel, no question. If you
• 31:09
  don't mind, could you initial undate that? Noel, I initialed
• 31:13
  end date? Question. During your time in the shoe, did
• 31:18
  any new inmates come during your shift? Noel, on that
• 31:22
  specific day or in general? Question? Yeah, from June to
• 31:27
  August when you worked in the shoe, did the shoe
• 31:29
  receive any new inmates? Noel, I didn't. The senior officer did.
• 31:34
  Question senior officer, did you see them as sign inmates?
• 31:37
  Sign a cell to them? Noel, like put them in
• 31:40
  a cell? Yes. Question were they ever put by themselves? Noel,
• 31:46
  I don't remember. Question. You don't recall any inmates being
• 31:48
  placed by themselves? In the shoe, Noel. I think there
• 31:52
  was one inmate by himself. Question any reason why he
• 31:55
  was placed by himself? Noel, I don't know. Question So
• 31:59
  of all the mates there was only one that was
• 32:01
  by themselves? Noel, I think it was an inmate by
• 32:05
  himself on g tier question, Now you mentioned that day.
• 32:09
  Were you on August ninth you were notified that efren
• 32:13
  Reyus was moved? But during your time in the shoe,
• 32:16
  were you ever notified if an inmate was ever removed
• 32:19
  from the shoe for whatever reason? Were you ever notified
• 32:21
  about it? Noel, no question. How would you find out
• 32:25
  if the inmate was supposed to be in the shoe
• 32:27
  or not? Noel? How would I find out if the
• 32:30
  inmate is supposed she gets cut off? Let's say in
• 32:33
  the morning, you came on shift at two PM or
• 32:36
  possibly four after that, there's counts in rounds when you
• 32:40
  do the counts, right, I just want to know in
• 32:42
  terms of how you would know if an inmate was
• 32:44
  removed or not. Noel. When I count, then he's gone redacted.
• 32:49
  You wouldn't be notified any other way, Noel, no question.
• 32:53
  That's all I have. Question by the next investigator and
• 32:58
  I know we discussed the cell mates. You ever told
• 33:00
  you needed to keep a close watch on Epstein when
• 33:03
  he was there? Who was the MCC warden in July
• 33:06
  and August of twenty nineteen, Noel redacted? Question is that redacted? Noel? Yes?
• 33:13
  Question okay? What communications did you have with the Wharton
• 33:17
  with regard to Epstein being housed within the MCC or
• 33:21
  the MCC Shoe? Noel? None, question none? And he never
• 33:25
  provided you special instruction with regard to Epstein? Noel? No question.
• 33:31
  Did the warden never tell you that Epstein was required
• 33:33
  to have a cell mate? Noel? No question. Did the
• 33:36
  ward never visit the Shoe during Epstein's stay at MCC? Noel,
• 33:41
  I don't know. Not on my watch? Question not during
• 33:44
  your shift? Noel? No question. Okay. Do you know if
• 33:47
  the warden never met with Epstein during the stay? Noel,
• 33:51
  I don't know. Question. Who was the MCC associate wardens
• 33:55
  in August of twenty nineteen, Noel, associate warden was redacted?
• 34:00
  Question anyone else that you're aware of? Noel? No question? Okay?
• 34:05
  And what communication did you have with redacted or the
• 34:08
  other aw with regard Depstein being housed within the MCC
• 34:13
  or the MCC shoe. Noel, none, question none. Would you
• 34:18
  have communication with any of the aw's Noel, no question. No,
• 34:22
  So you did not even ever speak with any of them, Noel.
• 34:26
  Not in the shoe. Question not in the shoe. When
• 34:29
  would you speak with them? Noel on the regular housing
• 34:31
  unit when they made rounds. Question so in July and
• 34:35
  August did you ever speak with them that you were
• 34:37
  recall Noel, no question. So not since you were assigned
• 34:41
  to the shoe at the end of June. Noel. Uh huh.
• 34:44
  Question Okay, what about the warden Is that the same thing? Noel?
• 34:49
  Uh huh. Question no communication? Foy the lawyer, don't know, Noel,
• 34:55
  No Foy, don't answer if you don't know, Noel. Okay.
• 35:00
  Question do you know if any of the aw's ever
• 35:04
  visited the Shoe during Epstein's stay? Noel, I don't know.
• 35:07
  Question you don't know. Not during your watch, though, Noel.
• 35:10
  No question. Okay. Do you know if any of the
• 35:13
  aw's ever met with Epstein during his stay at the MCC. Noel,
• 35:18
  I don't know. Question you don't know, but not when
• 35:21
  you were in the shoe, Noel. Not on my shift?
• 35:25
  Question who is the MCC captain in July and August
• 35:29
  of twenty nineteen, Noel, captain redacted? Question Okay, is that redacted? Noel? Yes?
• 35:35
  Question okay? And what communication did you have with Captain
• 35:39
  redacted with regard to Ebstein being housed within the MCC
• 35:43
  or the MCC shoe Noel, none, question none. And did
• 35:48
  he ever provide you with special instruction with regard to Epstein? Noel,
• 35:52
  No question captain redacted? Noel, no question. Did the captain
• 35:57
  ever tell you that Epstein was required to have a
• 35:59
  cell mate? Noel, No question. In the shoe no Did
• 36:03
  the captain ever visit the shoe during Epstein's stay at
• 36:06
  the MCC Noel, Not on my shift? Question not during
• 36:11
  your time? Okay? And do you know if the captain
• 36:13
  ever met with Epstein during his stay at the MCC. Noel,
• 36:17
  I don't know. Question. So who I'm going to give
• 36:20
  you now just because okay, where are the rosters? I'm
• 36:24
  going to ask her about some of the supervisors that
• 36:26
  were on duty? So are you familiar with these rosters? Like,
• 36:29
  just by looking at it, are you able to decipher
• 36:32
  who was on duty and who wasn't, or who was
• 36:36
  on duty? On August ninth and tenth. I'm giving you
• 36:39
  the MCC New York Delhi assignment roster. So there's August
• 36:42
  ninth and August tenth. So who were the MCC supervisors
• 36:46
  on duty with responsibility for overseeing the shoe on August
• 36:50
  ninth and tenth. Do you recall if Lieutenant redacted was
• 36:53
  there on August ninth or tenth? Noel, I don't recall. Question,
• 36:58
  you don't recall, Nicole, Noel, no question. Okay, so he
• 37:03
  wasn't there. So if he's not there, who was oversight
• 37:07
  over the shoe? Noel? I don't know. Question would it
• 37:11
  be the operations lieutenant or the activities lieutenant? Noel? I
• 37:14
  don't know. You don't know who it is that would
• 37:18
  have responsibility if the lieutenant of the shoe wasn't there, Noel,
• 37:22
  no question. Would anybody if Lieutenant redacted wasn't there check
• 37:26
  in with you? Noel? I mean the other lieutenant would
• 37:30
  make around redacted? Question? What other lieutenant would that be? Noel?
• 37:35
  Whoever was on you mean that day? Question? Yeah? On
• 37:39
  August ninth and tenth, I'm wondering who had the responsibility
• 37:43
  of the shoe if Lieutenant redacted wasn't there he was
• 37:45
  the shoe? Lieutenant Noel. In the daytime, it was a
• 37:48
  regular officer acting question, okay, Noel, from the time I
• 37:54
  was on at four to twelve, and then from midnight
• 37:57
  it was lieutenant redacted. Question. Okay, So with that other
• 38:00
  person that you're referring to, do you know who that was? Noel?
• 38:04
  The acting that was acting? Question acting Noel redacted? Question
• 38:10
  SOS redacted? Noel? Say that again? Question? Was it SOS redacted?
• 38:15
  Senior Officer Specialist Noel? Yes, question. I might be saying
• 38:20
  the name wrong, Noel. I'm not sure of her first name,
• 38:22
  but gets cut off. That's fine, Okay, So those are
• 38:25
  the two you remember. Noel was acting in that day yes. Question. Okay,
• 38:30
  what about by looking at that, do you see where
• 38:33
  it says redacted Noel? Yes? Question would that person have
• 38:37
  oversight over the shoe? Does it say that the person
• 38:40
  was the operation's lieutenant? Noel, That's what it says here,
• 38:44
  But I didn't see Lieutenant redacted. Question, and do you know,
• 38:49
  as being the operation lieutenant, would they be responsible for
• 38:52
  overseeing the shoe? Noel? I don't know. Question. You don't
• 38:56
  even know that. Okay, so you don't know if after
• 38:59
  Is it true true that after redacted or replaced him
• 39:02
  as the operations lieutenant? Noel, according to this yes question? Okay,
• 39:08
  And you're not aware that the person would have oversight
• 39:10
  over the shoe, Noel, I don't know. Question. You don't know.
• 39:17
  No one ever talked to you about redacted? Isn't there
• 39:19
  who should you go in and talk to if there's
• 39:22
  any problem or if they want to check in with you? Noel.
• 39:24
  No I would call downstairs to the lieutenant's office. Question,
• 39:29
  and you would just talk to whoever answered Noel, yes question,
• 39:33
  and you would sit in the lieutenant's office. Noel, the
• 39:36
  lieutenants question, all of them, Noel, yes question, So it
• 39:40
  wouldn't be like the operations lieutenant and the Activities lieutenant.
• 39:44
  Noel know all the lieutenants question? Okay, they all just
• 39:49
  sitting there together, Noel. Uh huh question, not one of
• 39:52
  them specifically answers the phone though, Noel, no anybody question? Okay,
• 39:58
  do you remember again? Lieuten redacted was reportedly off on
• 40:02
  August ninth and tenth. Uh huh, Noel answers question. Do
• 40:06
  you ever recall seeing him? On August ninth and August
• 40:08
  tenth Noel Uh huh. Question, Where would Lieutenant redacted sit
• 40:13
  when he was in the mcc noel upstairs? Question? When
• 40:17
  you say upstairs, upstairs where Noel, there's an office right
• 40:21
  next to ten South upstairs there question within the shoe
• 40:26
  Noel yes question. Okay, so he was physically in the
• 40:30
  shoe Noel yes. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up
• 40:34
  right here, and in the next episode dealing with the topic,
• 40:36
  we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the
• 40:39
  information that goes with this episode can be found in
• 40:42
  the description box.