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33. Full Moon Behavior: Nahuales and Lycanthropy · Amigos, Afraid!

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  We're back. My name is Jerry.
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  Wait, no, we said it wrong, you see.
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  This is what happens when you go so long without just recording
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  me and Jerry. Like on our own.
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  I I forgot how to do a podcast. Brian.
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  Something about Brian looks different.
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  I don't know what it is. I'm having a good hog day.
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  It could be that. You look, you're looking a
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  little like, like, like not rough.
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  What's like, like, like, wow. You know, when, like, your beer
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  is not like lined up? You're like Shaggy, a little
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  gruffy. He's gruffy, he said.
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  I looked. Rough No, I was like, no, but
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  like as a like as a like as a like an adjective.
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  Like you look like you're looking rough right now, like
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  like in a good way. I where is that?
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  It's not an adjective Is. It it it is an adjective, but it
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  does not have positive connotation, no.
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  Dude as a man. Oh, thank you.
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  Like that scruffiness look? I like it.
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  I'm digging it. My point is, it looks good.
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  You look good. You're rocking.
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  It thank you that's all I I aspire to be is man that's my
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  north star is how how do I give man today.
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  And that is so is it be man or is it like, have a man on top?
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  It's both. OK, there you go.
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  Oh, Oh, my bad. I mean above me, under me, next
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  to me, in front and behind me. We're going to take them
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  whatever way we take them. There's going to be a lot of man
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  having. I love handling a man.
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  Hi, guys, we're back. And we're back.
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  Happy Thursday, hope you guys had a good week.
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  Yes, we're almost there, y'all. I know we're almost there to the
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  weekend. We are so close.
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  I feel like we just left last weekend, like we just
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  experienced last weekend and it's already like Thursday.
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  That's wild. It's pretty cool.
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  It's been a long week already, but since we're on the topic of
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  last weekend, Brian and I had it a blast.
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  We had a boys weekend, like the most boys weekend way I've ever
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  had. Video games and alcohol and
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  alcohol and wings and wings, man.
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  That's my my triangle. Games, alcohol and wine.
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  Oh, no games, Alcohol and wings. close.
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  I think I'm still drunk. We had Fort Wine, We had a Fort
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  Wine marathon. Guys, if you feel like you're in
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  some sort of slump and you really need to reconnect with
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  the men in your life, I highly recommend a Fort Wine Weekend.
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  Just you and your boys Downing a bottle of wine each.
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  Yeah, you could be in the same place.
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  We did it together. We had a lamb party.
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  Yes, we did. Jerry's in his living room.
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  I'm at the dining room table and we are getting dubs on dubs.
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  That might have been the most wins and second places that
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  we've had true in a while, yeah. I had a whole bottle of wine.
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  Jerry's had a whole bottle of wine.
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  Yes, I did. Never.
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  That was the first time in my life that I've had an entire
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  bottle of wine to myself. It's life changing.
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  I'm so happy for you. It was so easy.
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  Yes, it was. You didn't.
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  Realize it was that easy. And you don't realize it till
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  you're like half, like halfway through the bottle.
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  You're feeling warm. You're like, wow, yeah.
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  Like I don't taste it. I don't feel it like, well, at
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  least your, I mean, mine was a red wine.
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  Yours was a little bit more sweeter.
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  I have a a fruity palette, so my wine was barely considered wine.
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  It was like alcoholic fruit juice. 15% in a hit.
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  Like in the first couple sips I'm like, oh, I feel good.
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  Andrew joined us to play video games with Andrew.
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  Yvonne joined later. By the time we finished, I think
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  we did it in. Sections.
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  Yeah, we we had like 3 chapters. It was get everything ready, do
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  our errands, because as much as we needed a Fort Wine, we had to
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  be responsible adults. Yes, we were productive.
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  We ran our errands, did our grocery shopping, hit the ground
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  running, open up the bottle, played a couple rounds, torn the
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  break, kept drinking, came back, won a bunch.
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  And then we just did that into the wee hours of the morning.
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  Kind of. Technically, yes, it was past
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  midnight, past midnight. And unfortunately it was one of
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  those nights where you're just like, yeah, I'm, I'm going to
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  play till till dawn and it's going to be non-stop, just video
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  game. I was feeling that by like
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  11/30/12 when we when we like took a break.
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  Once we started disassociating, just staring at our monitors in
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  one of the jam sessions, I'm like damn, let's let's let's
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  change it up, let's let's watch something.
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  Nope, it made it. Worse, it just put us.
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  I mean, it put me to to to sleep.
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  I was feeling so tired my eyelids were like closing.
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  I, I think, have shared like a sleeping habitat with Jerry only
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  a handful of times. This time he's like, here, hear
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  me call. Here's your your pillow.
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  Here's a blanket if you need it, but leave the window open for
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  you. Like, OK, I plug in my phone.
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  I'm sitting there. I'm chilling.
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  I'm like, let me let me settle into my Tiktoks.
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  I don't fall asleep immediately, never do I.
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  I always have my last minute doom scroll.
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  I hear Jerry walk up, brush his teeth, get into bed 5-6 minutes
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  later. What is that blessed life to be
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  able to fall asleep like it's nothing?
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  So the trick it at this point it was what maybe like closer to 1
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  no it. Was maybe like 12:30 at the. 12
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  at 12:30. OK, 12:30-ish.
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  The trick is you wake up at 5 or.
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  Something. That morning we I I drove Dulce,
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  I dropped her off to go on her girls trip which I had to wake
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  up early for her and I woke up early every week, every day the
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  other week. And sometimes it's the
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  sacrifices we have to make. I worked on Saturday so I was
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  also up. Kind.
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  You were also up early, I remember.
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  Maybe that's why we were both so tired.
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  There you go, case solved. OK, I was thinking, damn, we're
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  old. Yeah, you're right.
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  You're right. Because we were thinking that we
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  were like, damn, we did not play like past 22 AM.
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  That sucks. That was fully my intention.
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  Yeah, but a it is what it is. We were both tired.
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  We got a lot of shit. Done.
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  Yeah. We woke up, we got some coffee
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  and then we were we said let's we have to take the day.
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  Yeah. And do some more errands.
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  Yeah. No.
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  Nope. An hour, 2 hours later, Jerry
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  calls me like, well yeah, you want to Fortnite?
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  And then and then to go back to the sleeping.
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  It's so hard to sleep in an empty bed.
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  I already said that it sucks, I don't like it, it's not for me.
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  I didn't get any like sleep that night, that second night.
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  But damn we played a shit little games which is nice.
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  Yeah, I can't agree with you on the not being able to sleep in
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  an empty bed. I find it harder to sleep when
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  there is someone in the bed. Because you're like conscious
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  that. I'm like, yes, one, I'm like,
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  I'm going to snore because that be snoring, especially if it's
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  after a night of drinking. I'd be snoring and then I have a
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  very tiny bed. So when someone does crash
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  tonight, I feel like I'm taking up too much space and then I
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  wake up, like teetering off the freaking edge.
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  But sometimes that corner so like that sliver of bed is so
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  comfortable dude. No, I love having the entire bed
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  to myself. Props to you.
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  Thank you. Not for me.
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  Oh yeah. I bet it was torture for you.
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  Yeah, I always, I just expected to to feel so good right there.
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  I'm sorry you you needed to have a weekend of stress and
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  emotional duress because you're gonna have such a great next
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  weekend. Guys, Jerry's birthdays this
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  weekend. Oh shit, that sounds like what's
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  next weekend. It's clicking.
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  What are you talking about? Yeah, my birthday's next weekend
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  is pretty crazy. Everyone, you better go onto
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  Instagram or our Instagram and then send him a happy birthday
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  and send them $5 at least. At least 50 preferably.
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  Yes. But 5 is OK, 5 is OK.
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  Between 5 and 50, yeah. It's 5 or 50?
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  Oh, sorry, no, no, it's 5 or. 50 it's 5 or 50.
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  The man, the birthday boy, has spoken.
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  I have spoken very excited. I'm going to go up to Seattle,
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  going to see the compass, hope to have a chill, chill weekend
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  filled with nature and just love.
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  I guess So yeah. But I'll be back.
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  Manifesting good things. For you I got to sorry.
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  I'm going to pause here because Brian gave me his gift this past
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  weekend and once again y'all hit up insert.
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  My name just insert hit me on his hit me up on Instagram at
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  real Brian Lopez. When I told you guys a couple
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  weeks back that I was committing to book binding and book
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  rebinding. I have hit the ground running
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  and I hate to toot my own horn. Actually, no, I love to do.
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  My own do it. The one I made for Jerry for his
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  birthday is my best work so far. It is so good guys.
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  It is a rebinded copy of my copy of The Lord of the Rings, the
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  Fellowship first book, The Fellowship of the Ring.
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  It is so cool. I gave him my notes.
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  I sent him my my pictures and my my references and inspo and he
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  fucking killed it. He knocked it out of the park.
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  It's the second time I say that today.
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  It's weird because it's baseball season.
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  It's the World Baseball Classic baseball boy, guys, it's so
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  fucking nice. Like it.
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  It's Gandalf fighting against the freaking.
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  I'm blanking on the name now and I freaking say it all the time.
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  You do, Mr. I want to Tattoo. Bulldog the bulldog.
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  It's so cool. It's so fucking.
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  Demon looking thing. I can't believe I had that in my
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  Christian household for weeks. I'm sensing other things in this
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  Christian. Household I'd be sin in I sense.
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  Sin but thank you, Brian. That was a it's a beautiful
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  copy. We will post a picture of it so
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  you can see that is by far no offense, his best work of today.
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  It's only going to get better, guys.
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  It will be. Commission your copies.
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  He's the best in the business. With that being said, Are you
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  ready? Guys, we are coming at you with
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  a theme for this week's episode. We are going to be dealing with
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  transformations in different iterations of the word, but
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  specifically creature transformations.
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  Like a druid. Yeah.
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  Honestly. Yeah.
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  Like animors. Uh huh.
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  Exactly. Like me.
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  Oh, you lost. Me.
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  No, I'm sorry. I should have said like you.
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  We'll get into that. No, no, no, no.
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  We'll get into that. And we're going to get into it
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  now, Jerry, starting us off. You can't see me right now, but
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  the listeners, I'm looking straight into Brian's soul.
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  Oh no. What do you see?
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  Brian, when I look at you, I you know, I I get a lot of words to
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  describe you. I think you're very cunning.
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  I don't like the way I'm being perceived as you have.
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  I think you're a great communicator.
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  Oh, thanks. You wait.
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  Can you smile for me really quick?
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  Yep. You have canines.
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  I mean, yeah, that's interesting.
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  I would say you're above average, Harry.
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  Guys, I feel exposed. What's going on?
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  I'm just noting some things that I've like.
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  I've always known they were there and I've always seen the
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  the signs, but I'm just, I'm really looking at them right
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  now. My God, You're.
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  You're a meat eater. Yeah.
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  You eat meat? Yeah.
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  You like eating meat? Yeah.
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  I love it. Do you ever bark?
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  Only when hot men walk by. And so, yes, OK, I knew it,
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  guys. I knew it.
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  You might be the biggest like I know.
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  You can't prove nothing. I've been saying this for years.
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  This man has always had that wolf inside of him.
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  He's always had that. Got that dog in.
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  Me, that dog in you, the furry. I love you guys this is the I'm
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  letting it past cause your birthday coming up.
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  Before Twilight, Before Jacob Black took his shirt off and
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  made Wolf Pack ABS a personality trait.
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  And let's not even start with the alpha, beta, and Omega
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  culture that's out there. The Omega verse.
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  The Omega verse. All about the Omega verse.
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  You know a lot about the Omega verse.
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  Interesting, because someone out there right now is calling
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  themselves an alpha male. Someone's called probably
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  reclaiming the Omega energy, and Brian's in probably a Discord
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  server saying that he's about to challenge someone's dominance.
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  What is going to go on? I have a question, so here's the
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  sorry. So let me back here.
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  Here's the question. Where did this whole wolf human
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  transformation idea come from? Lycanthropy isn't just memes and
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  movie ABS. It's psychological.
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  It's ancient, and at times it was deadly serious.
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  Brian, today we're talking about lycanthropy.
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  Yay my people, that's what my last name means.
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  Lopez means of the wolf in Spanish.
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  Everything is connecting, Brian. You're not helping your case.
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  Hey. That's it.
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  Yes, you were like about to let off like a bark or something.
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  I, I sensed it. The word.
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  So what is lycanthropy? The word lycanthropy comes from
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  the ancient Greek roots. It's spelled Lykos LYKOS, but I
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  believe it's pronounced Lucas. Oh, Lucas meaning wolf, and
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  Anthropos meaning human, according to the EBSCO research
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  article on werewolf. According to the Epstein.
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  Files keep going. Early stories describe humans
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  physically transforming into wolves, often through curses,
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  divine punishment or magical rituals.
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  The legends appear across ancient Greece and later
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  throughout medieval Europe. One of the earliest myths
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  involved King Lycaon, who was transformed into a wolf as
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  punishment from Zeus. That story helps cement the idea
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  that transformation as divine retribution.
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  Becoming a wolf wasn't just random, it was moral
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  consequence. Over time, the myth spread
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  through Europe, morphing into regional variations.
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  In France, the Lup Garu in Germanic folklore cursed
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  wolfman, in Eastern Europe, werewolf trials that paralleled
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  witch hunts. And in many stories,
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  transformation could be triggered by wearing enchanted
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  wolf skins, drinking from magical sources, being cursed,
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  or in later folklore, the full moon.
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  Was there a full moon yesterday? There was there was a blood moon
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  yesterday or something. What were you doing during that?
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  It was at 3:00 in the morning, I was in bed not able to sleep.
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  That's crazy. But coincidence?
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  No. Stop.
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  You're gonna have any questioning things?
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  Oh, it gets better. The Full Moon association
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  actually became more prominent in modern literature and film
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  rather than early folklore. Something that involved that
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  evolved, which with something that evolved with storytelling
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  traditions. During the late Middle Ages and
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  early modern Europe, accusations of being a werewolf were treated
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  as criminal charges. The EBSCO article explains that
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  in certain periods, individuals were tried and even executed for
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  allegedly being werewolves, often overlapping with
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  witchcraft accusations. So think about that.
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  People weren't just afraid of wolves, they were afraid that
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  their neighbors were wolves. This wasn't entertainment.
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  This was a social paranoia wrapped in supernatural belief.
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  Werewolf trials, particularly in parts of France and Germany in
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  the 16th and 17th centuries, reveal how seriously communities
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  treated the idea of transformation.
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  It was a blend of folklore, fear, religion, and a
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  misunderstanding of mental illness.
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  Damn. Now here's where things get
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  especially fascinating. According to the Encyclopedia
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  Britannica's entry on lycanthropy, there is a rare
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  psychiatric condition known as clinical lycanthropy.
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  I've heard of this. This is not folklore.
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  This is a documented psychological syndrome in which
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  a person believes they are transforming into or have
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  transformed into an animal, commonly a wolf.
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  Britannica explains that this condition is typically
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  associated with broader psychiatric disorders involving
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  delusions or psychosis. What's important here is the
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  distinction. Folklore says the body changes.
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  Clinical psychology says the belief changes.
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  The transformation is not physical, it is perceptual or
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  cognitive. Some documented cases describe
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  individuals claiming their teeth are elongating, feeling fur
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  growing, adopting animal like behaviors.
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  This is just me doing. Moving on all fours, growling
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  and howling to the person experiencing it.
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  The transformation feels real. And historically, before modern
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  psychiatry, these behaviors could easily be interpreted as
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  supernatural, which may explain why ancient werewolf legends
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  felt so convincing. Because there was probably the
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  people, like, actually freaking out and having these experiences
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  and your neighbor's like, oh, Yep, they're werewolves, got to
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  kill them. That raises a lot of questions
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  for me. But are you still going?
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  I'm still going, yes, yes, I'll put a pin in it.
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  Put a pin in that. I'll put a claw in that.
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  Werewolves endure in storytelling because they
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  symbolize duality, Human versus animal, civilization versus
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  instinct, control versus rage. The EBSCO article notes that in
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  literature and film, werewolves often represent the darker side
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  of human nature, impulses we suppress until something
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  triggers them. That's why the transformation
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  trope is so powerful, it externalizes inner conflict.
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  The monster isn't outside you, it is you.
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  And unlike vampires, who are often portrayed as seductive and
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  controlled, werewolves are frequently depicted as raw,
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  emotional, and volatile. Which honestly explains a lot
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  about the Internet comment sections.
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  Oh my God, ha ha ha ha ha, Princess, stand behind me.
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  While European werewolves dominate pop culture, shape
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  shifting myths appear worldwide. Many cultures have legends of
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  human transforming into animals, wolves, hyenas, big cats, even
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  bears. This suggests something
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  universal. Humans have long been fascinated
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  by crossing the boundary between human and beast.
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  It taps into fear, it taps into power, and it taps into
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  identity. Today we've taken this ancient
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  fear and turn it into a shirtless werewolf heartthrob.
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  Shirtless werewolf heart throbs. Furry conventions, Alpha, Beta,
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  Omega, versus. And yes, Brian claiming he has
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  pack intuition. Well, I don't, I don't claim I
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  no, that's AD and D thing. I don't have.
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  I don't claim that my character does.
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  The legend of the werewolf is older than meme culture, older
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  than modern psychology, older than most organized religions.
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  And whether it's folklore or a rare psychiatric condition,
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  lycanthropy reminds us that humans have always been
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  fascinated by the thin line between who we are and what we
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  might become. Wow.
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  I want to make note that I have always been Team Jacob.
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  Was that a wow? Is it like a wow or like a wow
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  in Spanish? Wow, Wow, wow, wow, Wow.
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  Wow, Wow, Wow, Wow, Wow. No, I've always been, I've
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  always been a werewolf person over like a vampire person.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. A vampire isn't.
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  I had no interested in until like recently, but like the
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  Twilight movies, I was Team Jacob all the freaking way.
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  I like that idea. The second thing that I wanted
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  to put a pin in is take out the Yeah, the second pin I want to
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  take out is this whole witch hunt kind of thing with the
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  werewolves. So it would be a neighbor
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  saying, oh, my God, my neighbor. Yeah.
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  Well, my neighbor Jerry, he thinks he's a werewolf.
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  We have to kill him. Or is it?
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  Oh my gosh, I saw him turn into a werewolf.
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  We have to kill him. I'm sure it was both.
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  Because who at that point, I want to know who?
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  Who is the mental illness? Exactly.
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  Yeah, I feel like I was definitely abused in terms of
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  just the the. Of course, if you don't like.
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  Someone you throw the blame, I think they're a witch.
• 20:49
  I think they're. I want what they have.
• 20:51
  Oh my God, they're a wolf. Next thing you know, your
• 20:53
  neighbors gone. Yeah, like damn, they're they're
• 20:55
  buffer than the regular human adult werewolf.
• 21:00
  They got real sharp. Canines werewolf.
• 21:03
  They're hairy werewolf. Because I'd be, I'd be a goner.
• 21:07
  Brian would kill me. Brian would be in the in the
• 21:10
  forest right now hiding. You leave me and my Bush out of
• 21:13
  this. Hiding with his Bush in a Bush,
• 21:16
  I mean. Sorry, it was it was cool.
• 21:20
  I loved, I loved the the clinical like anthropy to like
• 21:23
  just shook me. I'm like, I've never heard of
• 21:26
  that. Not surprised, but interesting.
• 21:29
  I I love learning about it and yeah, search it up on web MD.
• 21:33
  If you think I'm lying, diagnose yourself with clinical like
• 21:36
  anthropy. We all do it.
• 21:38
  It reminds me of the meme. I know we reference it all the
• 21:41
  time but it every 4 bit older than physical.
• 21:44
  I am Wolf. You see, it's just it's too
• 21:50
  good. Like there's always going to be
• 21:51
  wolf memes, like alpha Omega, like all that stuff.
• 21:56
  It's always going to be a thing. OK, I want to raise an important
• 21:58
  question. Raise it Person stepping into
• 22:05
  their furry outfit. They're like full on mascot.
• 22:09
  Is that then considered a werewolf?
• 22:11
  You have turned into a wolf. Yes, at that point you are a
• 22:14
  completely different being. I don't think they're turning
• 22:16
  into themselves as this new persona.
• 22:19
  I think they are embodying something else and they become
• 22:22
  something else. OK, so inside of them is this
• 22:25
  wolf. They step into this thing and
• 22:28
  now externally they are a wolf, therefore werewolf.
• 22:33
  Werewolf. That's crazy, Werewolf.
• 22:36
  That's not crazy. Like you're not crazy.
• 22:37
  With this no. Though the idea of it is blows
• 22:41
  my mind. Yeah.
• 22:42
  Yeah. Contrary to Jerry's strong
• 22:45
  popular belief that I am a furry, I don't think I'd ever be
• 22:50
  have any interest in embodying any kind of animal like that.
• 22:56
  Because you already are one. Oh my God.
• 22:59
  Me on all fours, just barking. No shame, I just, I just, I want
• 23:03
  you to just accept who you are and see yourself through my eyes
• 23:08
  because in every aspect except you.
• 23:10
  See myself through your eyes? No.
• 23:12
  Don't tell me you see me. No.
• 23:14
  Because in every aspect besides the physical, you are a wolf.
• 23:18
  So wolf, wolf. Thank you so much for coming to
• 23:21
  my wolf talk. That was super fun.
• 23:26
  When we have an offshoot of our podcast that's only about
• 23:29
  werewolf happenings that we are going to be, I mean, you just
• 23:31
  said it, the wolf cast, wolf, the puff talk, wolf talk, the
• 23:37
  pack cast. OK, I have a funny ass story
• 23:42
  just really quick. So when I was working security
• 23:45
  years ago, there was this like older dude and he had a nephew I
• 23:50
  think. And his nephew was probably like
• 23:51
  around my same age. I was probably like 19/20/21.
• 23:55
  He we're talking to this older dude, you know, we're all just
• 23:58
  outside. I think we're taking a break.
• 24:00
  And then he's like, Oh yeah, though my nephew's working with
• 24:02
  us here. It's his first job or something.
• 24:03
  And yeah, him and his buddies like, yeah, they're, they're
• 24:06
  working with us right now too. It's so cool.
• 24:09
  I've never heard of this, but they like gave each other the,
• 24:11
  the group nickname of they're the Wolf Pack.
• 24:14
  It's, it's just, I've never heard of that.
• 24:15
  It's so, it's so creative. And I'm like, not an ounce of
• 24:20
  creativity was used to, yeah. This is straight out of the Teen
• 24:22
  Wolf with Tyler Posey. So that's just something I, I
• 24:25
  always bring up because this, he said.
• 24:27
  It's so with so much conviction, like he was so proud of his
• 24:30
  nephew. Novel idea, never heard of it
• 24:32
  before. Like he was.
• 24:33
  Yeah. It's like a Wolf Pack.
• 24:34
  Like, you know, because he rolled in packs.
• 24:35
  I'm like, yeah, I think we know what that is like.
• 24:38
  That's cool. Yeah.
• 24:39
  That's that's that's awesome, man.
• 24:41
  Fuck, yeah. Go for your nephew, man.
• 24:43
  But I was trying too hard not to laugh.
• 24:45
  There's yeah. A.
• 24:47
  You don't know they could be a pack of werewolves.
• 24:49
  You were this close. You were 1° away from a
• 24:53
  werewolf. I don't know what I would pick
• 24:56
  if I was told take this pill, become a vampire, take this
• 25:00
  pill, become a werewolf. I don't know.
• 25:04
  I think I would do. You're so right.
• 25:06
  I don't know. I thought I had this like
• 25:08
  immediately picked out. Same I have so many pros and
• 25:12
  cons like. I like the idea of being able to
• 25:14
  change form like going in between 2:00.
• 25:19
  But I feel like one of them is like predominantly it's during
• 25:22
  something during the full moon during a ritual, like where it
• 25:26
  becomes like where the transformation happens compared
• 25:29
  to vampire where it's like you can just turn into a bat or you
• 25:32
  can turn into. Yeah.
• 25:34
  But then remember they can't go into the sun.
• 25:36
  Yeah, that's, I think that would be my my deciding factor.
• 25:39
  Yeah, just wear skin suit. Yeah, but imagine falling asleep
• 25:43
  like the way a dog does. Just like do your little paws
• 25:45
  and then just curling up in a soft bed.
• 25:47
  Or just like not having to eat or drink blood like nothing but
• 25:51
  that like. You can just apart.
• 25:53
  A werewolf can still eat like a cooked steak and enjoy it.
• 25:56
  You know, they can eat anything. Give me pedig.
• 25:58
  Give me croquettas. I say pedigree, but I'm like,
• 26:01
  no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't eat pedigree.
• 26:04
  Honestly growing up I had a babysitter that their dog ate
• 26:08
  the same thing they were eating for dinner.
• 26:09
  Just whatever scraps and leftovers they go give a plate
• 26:11
  to the dog being Rottweiler. That's what I'm saying, it's
• 26:15
  possible. What a life to live.
• 26:17
  Yeah, that is so interesting. I I I brought up the idea to
• 26:24
  Jerry like, oh, let's do an episode about like things that
• 26:28
  transform and have transformations.
• 26:29
  Yeah. And instantly he said he wanted
• 26:31
  to do like anthropy. And I'm like, that's crazy
• 26:33
  because I specifically wanted to talk about the now what?
• 26:39
  Oh, let me set the freaking scene for you.
• 26:45
  I just happened to my creative writing for this so everyone
• 26:47
  gather around. It is story time.
• 26:50
  We are set, Papa. OK.
• 26:52
  Don't fall asleep on me, guys. It happened to get 30 seconds,
• 26:59
  OK? You grew up in a small town at
• 27:03
  the base of the mountains. Your community is so small that
• 27:06
  everyone knows one another. You know their families, their
• 27:09
  friends. Everyone is connected in some
• 27:11
  way. However, there is one person who
• 27:14
  stands out, the only one with any air of mystery.
• 27:19
  A few miles up the mountain lives an old man.
• 27:21
  He rarely comes into town. No one knows his name or where
• 27:25
  he came from. All they know is that he's
• 27:27
  always lived in the outskirts, far off the road that leads to
• 27:30
  the mountain peaks. You fear for his safety.
• 27:34
  A feral creature prowls the land and you hear it's warning howls
• 27:37
  late into the night. It's kept you awake more than
• 27:40
  once. You vividly recall the night it
• 27:43
  crept into town, it's howl jolting you from sleep that
• 27:48
  night. You heard it's claws scratch
• 27:49
  against the walls of your home, fear keeping you paralyzed in
• 27:52
  bed as the beast stalked the perimeter.
• 27:56
  One final howl pierced through your window and then you heard
• 27:58
  the creatures Sprint fade into the distance.
• 28:02
  You pray the man never crosses path with that wolf.
• 28:05
  You always notice when he comes down from the mountain, he
• 28:07
  rarely interacts with anyone, his presence feeling like an
• 28:10
  I'll omen. He only ever visits the general
• 28:12
  store. On his last visit, he purchased
• 28:15
  chains before returning up the mountain.
• 28:17
  While the local butcher knows each family's weekly order, he
• 28:20
  claims to have never sold anything to the mysterious man.
• 28:24
  How does he feed himself? What does he eat?
• 28:26
  Whenever he's seen, it's only during the day.
• 28:29
  He always leaves before the sun begins to set.
• 28:32
  Your neighbors hush. Whispers and gossip follow him
• 28:34
  as he makes his way back up the mountain.
• 28:36
  Do you know him? Has anyone ever seen his house?
• 28:40
  I heard he's a brujo. Curiosity takes over On his next
• 28:44
  visit, you follow him, close enough to keep him insight, but
• 28:47
  far enough away to muffle the sound of your footsteps.
• 28:50
  More than once, he pauses, as if his ears have caught your
• 28:54
  careful steps each time you duck into the bushes.
• 28:58
  The sun sinks below the horizon by the time you reach his house.
• 29:01
  It's a wooden shack that sits in a small clearing, cobbled
• 29:04
  together from scrap materials. At 1 edge stands a massive tree,
• 29:08
  it's trunk thicker than any other in the forest.
• 29:12
  A heavy chain is wrapped tightly around it.
• 29:14
  You scan the clearing, expecting to see a dog tethered nearby.
• 29:18
  You don't. On the opposite end stands a
• 29:21
  stone altar, it's surface layered with melted candle wax.
• 29:25
  The moon begins to rise and you strain your eyes to keep him in
• 29:28
  view. Then you see it.
• 29:32
  He's chaining himself to the tree.
• 29:34
  The final sliver of sunlight disappears.
• 29:37
  All that remains is his shadowed silhouette.
• 29:40
  The shape begins to change, shrinking, hunching forward,
• 29:44
  what stood on 2 legs now drops to four.
• 29:47
  Confused, you take a step closer.
• 29:50
  Your shirt snags on the shrub, hiding you from view.
• 29:54
  The leaves rustle loudly. It's head snaps towards you.
• 29:59
  What was a man only moments ago is now a wolf with blood red
• 30:01
  eyes staring straight into you, into your soul.
• 30:05
  It tilts its head back and howls at the rising moon.
• 30:08
  You turn and Sprint down the mountain behind you.
• 30:12
  The chain snaps. Dun Dun Dun.
• 30:18
  But I kind of ate with that one in my opinion.
• 30:22
  I literally peed myself. Jerry, is that what that was?
• 30:25
  I wondered why my foot got warm. Dude, did you see how I was sad
• 30:30
  like I was? I was just like imagining it in
• 30:33
  my mind. It was fully like, damn, he
• 30:36
  died. Oh yeah, they're dead, the chain
• 30:39
  snapped. While Europe has the werewolf,
• 30:42
  Mesoamerican cultures have something far older than Nawali.
• 30:48
  The word Nawali comes from the Nawali word Nawali.
• 30:51
  Historically, it refers to a spiritual double, an animal
• 30:54
  counterpart connected to a person's soul.
• 30:56
  Now, Wally also refers to a sorcerer or a shapeshifter.
• 31:00
  In many indigenous belief systems throughout Mexico and
• 31:02
  Central America, it was believed that every person was born with
• 31:05
  an animal spirit tied to their identity.
• 31:07
  Your temperament, your destiny, even your fate could be linked
• 31:10
  to this animal. However, some individuals are
• 31:13
  believed to have more than just a spiritual connection.
• 31:16
  Some were said to have the power to shift into the animal.
• 31:20
  Nawalas are often described as shamans, sorcerers or spiritual
• 31:23
  leaders who possess the ability to shape shift into their animal
• 31:26
  counterparts, such as Jaguars, coyotes, owls and wolves.
• 31:30
  Yeah, so it's not just wolves, even though that's what we
• 31:32
  normally envision. Yeah.
• 31:35
  Unlike the European werewolf which is often portrayed as
• 31:37
  cursed or uncontrollable as you mentioned, the nawal is
• 31:41
  traditionally associated with power and intention in pre
• 31:44
  Hispanic traditions. Among the Meeksdek and Sapotec
• 31:47
  peoples that now while it wasn't always considered evil, some
• 31:51
  stories list them as protectors or healers.
• 31:54
  However that interpretation began to shift during
• 31:57
  colonization. Of course it always it's always
• 32:01
  a a Christian leaning type of people.
• 32:05
  But everything changed with the world.
• 32:08
  And who is the Fire Nation if we really, really peel back the
• 32:12
  layers imperialism, my culture is better than yours.
• 32:17
  So you have to adhere. And honestly, in every situation
• 32:20
  where there is a colonized people, the original mythology,
• 32:27
  beliefs, everything that they seem sacred.
• 32:29
  All right, let me get into it because I I wrote about it.
• 32:33
  When Spanish missionaries arrived in the Americas,
• 32:36
  indigenous spiritual practices were frequently labeled as
• 32:38
  witchcraft. Shape shifting abilities which
• 32:40
  were once seen as sacred and divine were reframed as demonic.
• 32:44
  The nowala lost its neutrality and was deemed as something
• 32:47
  horrible lurking in the shadows. This shifted the perspective and
• 32:51
  even into the modern day. Nowalas are seen as demonic
• 32:53
  tricksters and something to be feared.
• 32:57
  In modern oral traditions, particularly in rural areas of
• 33:00
  Mexico, Nowalas are sometimes described as individuals who
• 33:03
  secretly transform at night to harm livestock or frightened
• 33:06
  villagers. Many people have gone on to
• 33:08
  TikTok to share their encounters with Nawalts.
• 33:10
  Some claim to even have proof, providing grainy videos of
• 33:13
  animals behaving strangely in the dark or suddenly changing
• 33:16
  shape. Encounters have even needed to
• 33:19
  the local news. In parts of Veracruz, there have
• 33:23
  been a contemporary reports of individuals claiming to have
• 33:26
  seen or pursued what they believe was a nawalt.
• 33:29
  An article dated August 12th, 2020 by Beatrice Garcia recounts
• 33:34
  a story originally shared by El Universal of an awal sighting in
• 33:38
  Soledad Doblado, a small Pueblo near Veracruz.
• 33:42
  She reports that on a Monday night, men, women and children
• 33:46
  worked together to chase an awal.
• 33:48
  The hysteria started when the claim that a figure with Gray
• 33:51
  eyes had been seen climbing a palm tree.
• 33:55
  They claimed that the figure appeared to be half man, half
• 33:57
  animal. Community members approached the
• 34:00
  creature with handfuls of rocks, sticks and even firearms in an
• 34:04
  attempt to get it to flee. Videos have spread online of the
• 34:08
  event. Clips of live streams from the
• 34:10
  moments have been shared across social media, or locals can be
• 34:13
  heard yelling that they've seen it and that it's on the run.
• 34:16
  Gunshots are fired before someone screamed that it's flown
• 34:19
  away. The commotion went on for about
• 34:21
  an hour, which ultimately alerted local authorities, who
• 34:24
  made the crowd disperse. Skeptics argue that these
• 34:27
  sightings can be attributed to misidentification, fear or
• 34:31
  folklore influencing perception. There is no physical evidence
• 34:34
  proving that noise exists. Much like other shape shifting
• 34:37
  legends, encounters are merely anecdotal and are rooted in
• 34:41
  community storytelling. So is the Nawala protector a
• 34:46
  witch? A misunderstood spiritual
• 34:48
  figure? And if you were an owal, what
• 34:51
  animal would you turn into? Beautiful question.
• 34:55
  If those were the only options, I would do no.
• 34:58
  No, there, I should have pulled up the whole list.
• 35:00
  So you're Nawali also means like a specific animal like y'all can
• 35:08
  correct me, but from the article I read, you are born with a
• 35:13
  specific animal attached to your calendar, kind of like the
• 35:17
  Chinese New Year, but it's based on your your your birth date.
• 35:22
  And that is the animal that you have connected to you
• 35:24
  spiritually, OK. And the Nawaz our ability to
• 35:27
  have an innate ability to really connect with those animals and
• 35:30
  therefore turn into them. OK.
• 35:33
  I'm trying to see if I can find the calendar.
• 35:36
  I think Jaguar is cool. I would love to turn to Jaguar.
• 35:39
  Hey what is it the Jaguar that has the the most?
• 35:42
  Was it PSI the bite force of all the big cats?
• 35:46
  I is it Jaguar I have? No idea, I trust you with all
• 35:49
  your zoology facts. I want to say it's a Jaguar.
• 35:55
  Let me no. I'm searching the.
• 35:57
  Cats, let me pull something up because as I mentioned, there
• 36:01
  was a news article regarding a sighting of the nawal.
• 36:06
  The Jaguar has the strongest bite of all big cats, boasting a
• 36:09
  bite for us of approximately 1500 to 2000 PSI.
• 36:13
  Nice. Damn.
• 36:14
  You hit that on that. OK, Jerry, I found the video
• 36:18
  that this article was referring to.
• 36:20
  Let me see that. OK, I wonder if I can put a clip
• 36:23
  of the audio in the podcast, but it's like almost 6 minutes long,
• 36:28
  so we're just kind of kind of skip around so I don't put the
• 36:30
  whole audio. But this is the pandemonium.
• 36:35
  Shot on iPhone fucking. Two yeah, grainy footage, but
• 36:42
  they're just they have their lights pointing up at a tree.
• 36:44
  There's dogs barking like crazy. Bro whoever has the lights, stop
• 36:52
  moving them. And they're also all just
• 36:54
  agitating one another like it's there.
• 36:56
  Yeah. This was a like a live stream.
• 37:16
  Someone was streaming on Instagram I believe.
• 37:23
  They. Have a whole like freaking
• 37:28
  neighborhood out here. They do.
• 37:59
  Granted, when I went through this video, there's a lot of
• 38:01
  moments where they're like, all there it is, there it is.
• 38:04
  I don't see nothing. I see.
• 38:05
  I don't see a single. Thing is, is the nawal in the
• 38:08
  room with us? I mean.
• 38:10
  There's clearly something there. The nawal is the friends we made
• 38:13
  on the. Laid You look around and we all
• 38:18
  have a beast inside of us. We just have to recognize.
• 38:24
  I don't know where I'm going with this.
• 38:25
  I'm sorry. So deep.
• 38:27
  My God, Jerry, you're right, we do.
• 38:29
  We do have that animalistic creature inside of us.
• 38:31
  That's dog in me trying to get out claws ways.
• 38:34
  The dog in me is a little dog with this like.
• 38:37
  It's a Chewanese little beep beep beep beep.
• 38:40
  OK, so the ones here say. And I think it has to do with
• 38:45
  the Mayan calendar. OK, find your Maya spirit
• 38:49
  companion. We're going to do yours because
• 38:51
  your birthday is coming up. OK, go over it.
• 38:53
  OK, Give us your birthday. March 8298.
• 39:01
  Damn. Jerry is a baby converter.
• 39:03
  Me. I'm.
• 39:05
  Just a little baby. The fuck is an at SNAB?
• 39:08
  What? The hell you call me?
• 39:10
  At SNAB I've been it represents the Flint knife, Obsidian and
• 39:16
  the white mirror. So you're my spirit companion is
• 39:20
  Damn, I should've done more research.
• 39:22
  I'm cutting all of this out. It's OK.
• 39:23
  Yeah. We'll get it out of it.
• 39:25
  Yeah, but it just gave me that some of these are ads for items.
• 39:33
  Yeah, that's me and Jerry are going down the exact same Google
• 39:37
  search. OK, Each thing is determined by
• 39:39
  your sun sign. And.
• 39:40
  Got it. OK, we're going to try this one.
• 39:42
  March. OK.
• 39:44
  The Flint. OK.
• 39:49
  Your tone number is 10. Galactic numbers 218.
• 39:55
  OK, so the tech battle is the 18th Aztec Day sign,
• 40:01
  representing a day of sacrifice, trial, and sharp widness, ruled
• 40:05
  by the deity Chalchi Huitotoline, the Jeweled Fowl.
• 40:12
  Cool. So your bird, is that what a
• 40:15
  fowl is? Yeah, I think so.
• 40:18
  I should know that. Yes.
• 40:21
  A rooster or hen. Oh, like a fowl?
• 40:23
  Yeah. Like like poultry?
• 40:26
  Terry is giving cock. If I had to choose, it would be
• 40:31
  some sort of hawk like I have to.
• 40:33
  I have to because my growing up it was bear like I had to be a
• 40:37
  grizzly bear. It was always grizzly bear.
• 40:40
  Now you'd still become a in my ripe age.
• 40:43
  I'm going bear hybrid. I'm kidding.
• 40:45
  I'm doing owl bear, owl bear and we're back to DND.
• 40:50
  And we're back to DND. How did you not?
• 40:52
  Gee, how did you not connect the dots?
• 40:54
  I'm so sorry. That's so cool dude.
• 41:00
  Like it's I, I, I believe it. And and one of your questions
• 41:04
  was, fuck, I'm forgetting it now.
• 41:08
  I'll bring them up. Is it like?
• 41:11
  Is it a protector? Is it a witch?
• 41:14
  Misunderstood spiritual misunderstood, yes, and I'm
• 41:17
  going to go and misunderstood because what's the what's the
• 41:19
  common theme? Outsiders invading an area.
• 41:23
  Some they're saying things they don't understand they attributed
• 41:26
  to negative. Yep, that is a common fucking
• 41:28
  story. That is the way.
• 41:29
  And and of course, in this instance, that instance, there's
• 41:32
  the people with, you know, more developed technology disease,
• 41:36
  and, you know, they're going to do everything they can to try to
• 41:39
  make people assimilate. And it's so crazy.
• 41:41
  You come in and invade and then you bring plague upon.
• 41:44
  US, yeah, upon our people, yeah. So it's automatically seen as.
• 41:48
  Where are the demons? Yeah, demons, dark witchcraft.
• 41:52
  It's evil. It's it's it's it's insane.
• 41:56
  It's sad. I saw a really good TikTok that
• 42:01
  I think when I was doing research for this, where the guy
• 42:03
  says it is a misrepresentation. The Christian white man brought
• 42:09
  about the idea of the devil. And that is your belief, not
• 42:12
  mine. And I'm like, damn, that's so.
• 42:15
  That's so smart. The devil's something you
• 42:16
  believe in. That is something that you
• 42:18
  brought to the people, the places you call it nice.
• 42:20
  And you instilled that fear. And it's a fear.
• 42:23
  And it's a fear. And you put, you destroyed, you
• 42:25
  pillaged, you stole. And you instead gave them back
• 42:29
  here as everything that you have to abide by.
• 42:31
  Anything that is not this is now of the devil.
• 42:35
  Yeah, is not normal. It's not meant to be.
• 42:37
  Exactly. Oh, I hate imperialism.
• 42:42
  Back to werewolves. Kidding.
• 42:44
  Yeah, no. I'd rather live in that reality
• 42:47
  of shape of of spiritual shape shifting deities.
• 42:52
  I I think I've mentioned this, I grew up reading animors and the
• 42:56
  prequels to those which are the Andalite Chronicles and not know
• 42:59
  that alien dude. If you were to search up and
• 43:01
  Andalite and I forget his name, the main character.
• 43:04
  I would used to read some of the Animorphs, but I never read them
• 43:06
  consecutively to know that there was a bigger story.
• 43:09
  Jake was my first introduction of a red tail hawk, you
• 43:13
  remember? Yeah.
• 43:13
  And then getting stuck in that form.
• 43:15
  And yeah, I retained very limited information in grade
• 43:18
  school and that's one of them. The end of like Chronicles.
• 43:21
  We read this in 3rd grade. This is probably 1 of like man,
• 43:24
  the first books that just got me into like fantasy and just a
• 43:30
  world of books. Like books were like I, I, I had
• 43:33
  a self awakening for like books and only for Animorphs, only for
• 43:39
  Animorphs. But that's, that's an Andelite
• 43:41
  right there. He's the.
• 43:42
  One that brought that technology.
• 43:45
  He's the one that brought that technology to.
• 43:47
  I forgot that they were aliens. Yep and he was running away.
• 43:52
  His crash ship crashed in on earth and the four kids found
• 43:57
  him at. Fuck dude, that throws me that
• 43:59
  that just takes me back. Damn, Jerry's reciting this just
• 44:01
  from memory, staring at the cover of this book.
• 44:05
  That's so cool, I really peaked in 3rd grade.
• 44:10
  OK. No, Jerry, you learn how to read
• 44:12
  again. I.
• 44:13
  Did I did. You read The Lord of the Rings?
• 44:15
  Yeah. And now we're on our way to
• 44:17
  Isengard to fight with the ants and Legolas and Gimli son.
• 44:23
  Oh, Brian also got me this little duck, Gimli, which is a
• 44:26
  dwarf in in Lord of the Rings. Gimli, son of glory.
• 44:30
  Yeah, pretty fucking awesome. I've.
• 44:32
  Never seen the Lord of the Rings movie, never read the books
• 44:35
  ever. Anything Jerry has said to me
• 44:36
  about this to me is just an original idea Jerry has had.
• 44:40
  Until I saw this Gimli at the sword.
• 44:43
  I'm like, damn, he did read. He did read that book.
• 44:49
  Hell yeah. Oh my God, back to to creatures
• 44:52
  that transform and just that idea and one of the other
• 44:58
  articles that I was reading about, Oh my shoulder pile
• 45:01
  reading about. The transfer rations happening
• 45:04
  is breaking bone. It's me, I'm brittle.
• 45:09
  Oh my God, I just said the word. I was thinking about it earlier,
• 45:12
  what do you call someone who transforms?
• 45:15
  Transform a transformer. Transformer transgression
• 45:21
  trends. I want to reiterate that I'm
• 45:27
  tired guys. Which already pulled up.
• 45:29
  I was like, I'm falling asleep on the couch.
• 45:32
  You did say it. I did.
• 45:34
  You said it like multiple times, Yeah.
• 45:35
  That's in my notes, I just have to find the exact.
• 45:38
  We're doing so much editing. No, we're going to leave it as
• 45:42
  is. You guys get a hear me struggle.
• 45:44
  Oh no, it it. Maybe I'm getting sick.
• 45:48
  No. Shapeshifter shape shifting is
• 45:51
  the word crazy. So shape shifting.
• 45:54
  The idea transcends boundaries, like the idea of people
• 46:00
  transforming into creatures has been found in so many ancient
• 46:04
  civilizations all around the world.
• 46:07
  Where does that? Come from?
• 46:08
  Where does this idea come from? Is there something just deep in
• 46:12
  our psyche that not that it knows it's a possibility?
• 46:17
  Or is there some sort of truth and everything?
• 46:21
  I got my tinfoil hat on my Ancient Aliens hat.
• 46:24
  Aliens. How?
• 46:28
  How has this story transcended eons?
• 46:31
  Not maybe, maybe not eons, but like thousands of years of
• 46:33
  humanity. I don't know.
• 46:36
  Let's ask the listeners, what do you know?
• 46:40
  If you do tell me, send me YouTube video with Tiktok.
• 46:43
  I'm very. Gullible and tired.
• 46:46
  And I'll believe anything you say, especially if I'm sleepy.
• 46:51
  Sleepy Brian Just like death, a lot of similar beliefs around
• 46:59
  the. World a lot of beliefs of of
• 47:01
  the. Life after death, like
• 47:04
  Underworld, that depiction of heaven, what that looks like.
• 47:08
  Yeah damn I wish I can transform into animals.
• 47:11
  I would love that. I play a druid.
• 47:13
  I love playing druids. I love transforming into ship.
• 47:16
  My current character is a lichen which he can turn into a hybrid.
• 47:21
  Werewolf and yet I'm the one that's all furry.
• 47:24
  Anything Jerry has ever done in DND has been animal related.
• 47:28
  I don't have pictures with whiskers drawn on my that's.
• 47:33
  Cold were ears. No, I actually played the one
• 47:40
  shot with the cat ears on. I lied because I was A to back
• 47:44
  seat. Back seat.
• 47:46
  Fuck, you see, I don't. I don't own cat ears right now.
• 47:49
  Takes a furry to know a furry. Is that you coming out, Jerry?
• 47:53
  Congratulations. Geez guys, catch me at Ren Fair
• 47:57
  in my full just. Wolf Jerry's into gifting.
• 48:01
  Hybrid what? What the fuck?
• 48:02
  I'm not going to. Explain that to you.
• 48:04
  You have to figure that out on your own.
• 48:07
  Google it later, I'm late at night when it's just you with
• 48:10
  your thoughts. With adults who's fast asleep.
• 48:13
  Yeah. She's reading and you're
• 48:15
  Googling Yipping. Yipping.
• 48:17
  So what are you doing, babe? Reading.
• 48:18
  Yeah. What?
• 48:19
  No, I'm reading too. I'm give.
• 48:22
  Keep you comments to yourself. What?
• 48:26
  I don't know. OK, I'll.
• 48:27
  I'll switch it up. I hope.
• 48:28
  I hope it's nothing. I'm not even going to finish
• 48:32
  that sentence. It probably is.
• 48:33
  I probably would experience it and then send me a text message
• 48:36
  later. If you guys could transform into
• 48:40
  any kind of creature, if you were a shapeshifter, what would
• 48:44
  you want to transform into? I have a 5050.
• 48:48
  I think I want to do something. Maybe we can give a top three.
• 48:54
  OK. I think I would want to be some
• 48:59
  sort of bird because the idea of flying you'd be traffic and if
• 49:05
  you fly low enough you don't have to worry about a plane.
• 49:08
  Yeah. But I don't know birds the way
• 49:10
  you do. What's a good bird that can like
• 49:14
  fly for hours? A lot of them.
• 49:18
  OK, good. So I'm just going to be a bird.
• 49:22
  A pretty 1 specifically. Pretty bird that can fly for
• 49:24
  hours. Yeah, you.
• 49:26
  Can think of that while I give you my other ones.
• 49:29
  How colorful? Sure.
• 49:32
  OK, I think I know. OK.
• 49:34
  And then I also want to be an aquatic animal.
• 49:38
  I feel like being a whale would be fun.
• 49:42
  An orca specifically like Free Willy and then a mammal.
• 49:50
  OK, so those are your three. You have to pick a flying an
• 49:53
  ocean or an aquatic animal and then a land man animal.
• 49:58
  I got those are those are the three food.
• 49:59
  Groups. I got them.
• 50:01
  Damn OK my ground one would be I don't want to commit to the bit.
• 50:12
  It's some sort of dog. A ton of squinkler.
• 50:17
  No, I know. Oh no, it's actually ugly.
• 50:21
  Not not not the trouble. I'm talking about the bird I'm
• 50:23
  looking. At I'm like, bitch, I want to
• 50:24
  get one of those eventually. Now I want to be like like a
• 50:29
  golden retriever. Golden.
• 50:31
  Oh my God, a golden retriever. I want to be a a fluffy dog, a
• 50:37
  boneless dog, one of those that just lop around.
• 50:40
  A boneless dog? Is that what you said?
• 50:42
  I mean, they got bones, but they're just all floppy, you
• 50:45
  know what I mean? Like a Like a weenie dog, like
• 50:48
  a. Sneaker.
• 50:49
  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like a golden retriever.
• 50:54
  Damn, I'm trying. I'm trying to remember the name
• 50:56
  of this bird. OK, well my third option is just
• 50:58
  bird nondescript. What are?
• 51:00
  What are yours? OK, because there's this one.
• 51:03
  I, I, I've always, I've always loved it.
• 51:04
  It's called. Cherry would be an Osprey, some
• 51:08
  sort of. Yeah.
• 51:08
  So it's an osprey. It's going to be the osprey, the
• 51:10
  flying bird. Favorite, favorite bird of all
• 51:11
  time. The osprey.
• 51:13
  It's you can name an osprey semi aquatic because it dives full
• 51:18
  body into the water. We saw one the other day.
• 51:20
  We did see one and you caught it, you found it, you located
• 51:23
  it. You were like, wow, so I would
• 51:25
  be an osprey flying animal. I would be a grizzly bear
• 51:28
  mammal. Like grizzly, like just full on
• 51:30
  grizzly bear and then not a brown bear.
• 51:33
  That's 2, two different animals. Yep, two different species.
• 51:37
  And then for Marine, I would be a giant Pacific octopus or some
• 51:41
  sort of octopus for sure. Aliens going back to that.
• 51:46
  Damned, I agree with you on that one.
• 51:48
  Look, look how cool that one looks, but I think this is
• 51:50
  flightless. I don't think this one.
• 51:51
  Fly. No, I I have to fly.
• 51:54
  Otherwise I would have been like an ostrich.
• 51:56
  Oh, but I mean, run fast as fuck, boy.
• 51:58
  Yeah. But the whole point is I want to
• 52:00
  feel the wind between my feathers.
• 52:02
  I get you, but do they fly? No, I think they do fly.
• 52:06
  What if I'm just like a Bluebird?
• 52:10
  Little Bluebird 'cause I was going to say like a a little.
• 52:13
  Oh my God, that one with a serpent tail, you know, Yes,
• 52:16
  Green emerald, The one. I think that's the one you did
• 52:21
  at Joel. I we did it.
• 52:24
  You did at Joel. No.
• 52:26
  What would you be? What would you turn into if you
• 52:28
  had the chance to turn into an animal?
• 52:32
  Three different animals I feel like.
• 52:33
  Yeah, give us give us your land, air and water.
• 52:36
  If I can do that, I don't care about being a werewolf or Vine
• 52:39
  Parry. Let me just turn into three
• 52:40
  different animals and that's it. That is it.
• 52:43
  And if you know someone out there who does turn into
• 52:45
  animals, please let. Let us know.
• 52:48
  Yeah, just hit up our DMS. We're down.
• 52:51
  We're down for anything. Let us know how we can start our
• 52:53
  own, you know, transformation. That'd be super cool.
• 52:57
  And we will pay you. Yeah.
• 53:01
  But I need to see a certificate of like business or something,
• 53:04
  something like professional maybe.
• 53:05
  Maybe a certificate from your local government saying
• 53:08
  acknowledging you of an anniversary or something.
• 53:11
  Yeah, that works or business card.
• 53:13
  Or business card? Hi everyone.
• 53:18
  Well, do you have any you have a song recommendation for the
• 53:21
  week? I feel like I do.
• 53:25
  I've been listening to my day list on Spotify recently, which
• 53:29
  I have not been doing because normally I just do Spotify DJ
• 53:33
  that, but it's always been so repetitive.
• 53:36
  The day list has to really like put me on some new stuff and I
• 53:40
  think was have I liked most recently.
• 53:45
  I'm going to recommend the song You're Still Everything by
• 53:53
  Madison Beer. She just dropped an album.
• 53:56
  That song. Really good really.
• 54:01
  I'll check it out. I'm going to recommend Bark at
• 54:03
  the Moon by Ozzy Osbourne. The Prince, so on the nose.
• 54:06
  So on the nose, on the dog nose. Oh.
• 54:08
  My God, on the snout. On the snout.
• 54:13
  And that's it. Thank you guys for listening.
• 54:18
  Oh, bye guys.